The case of Ivan Ilyin: what students of the Russian State University for the Humanities are protesting against

"Higher Political School named after Ivan Ilyin"

If not for the petition on the site change.org, then most Russians would never have known about the personality of Ivan Ilyin. Before the fog clears stories, let’s figure out what the RSUH students did.

Last summer, the academic council of the Russian State University for the Humanities approved the creation of the Ivan Ilyin Higher Political School. It is not easy to understand the purpose of this office. To do this, just read the goal from the school regulations:

“Development and implementation of a new approach (a new socio-humanitarian paradigm) in the domestic teaching of humanities and social sciences, aimed at shaping the worldview of students based on Russian civilizational identity and traditional Russian spiritual and moral values.”

It’s not entirely clear at first (this is the scientific tradition), but instinct tells me that everything was done correctly in this school - there are expressions such as “Russian civilizational identity” and “spiritual and moral values.” From the tasks of the organization it is clear that the above provisions will be implemented among teachers and managers in Russia, developing appropriate educational and methodological complexes for this purpose.

Well, is it a smart office? Who can argue? At least on paper, everything is very correctly and competently constructed - there have not been enough such institutions in Russia for a long time.

In general, everything is beautiful.

What are RSUH students protesting against?

The petition on the change.org platform, by the way, has already received more than 9,3 thousand signatures.

Ivan Ilyin in 1922

It's all about the figure of Ivan Ilyin, after whom the school is named. To put it mildly, Ilyin’s personality and biography are very ambiguous.

In the petition, the authors point to his “indulgence in the activities of the Nazi regime, the justification of Hitler’s crimes by confrontation with Bolshevism and statements about the need for Russian fascism.” If we take a superficial look at Ilyin’s life and work, it turns out that the philosopher is known as an expert on Georg Hegel. But this is only at first glance.

From his youth, Ivan adhered to the most radical views. He declared Bolshevism his main enemy and did a lot to discredit it. But at the same time it was distinguished by amazing vitality. After the October Revolution, he managed to work with his views at Moscow University until 1922, until the Bolsheviks set out to shoot him. Ilyin was lucky - the death penalty was replaced by deportation from the country and he was expelled on the “philosophical ship”.

Despite his Moscow origin, the philosopher’s mother was German, and he quickly found himself in Germany. Of course, Ilyin threw all his energy into anti-Soviet activities, putting at the forefront the motto: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” This is how Adolf Hitler and his “teachings” found themselves among the admirers and adorers of the exiled philosopher.

It is impossible to call Ilyin an ardent fascist. He very carefully, although openly, supported the new German religion of the 30s. The philosopher was impressed by fascism’s intransigence towards Marxism, internationalism, class hatred, reactionary class privileges and corruption.

Figuratively speaking, Ilyin sympathized and sympathized with the fascists, although he was not a member of the NSDAP, much less the SS. He steadfastly sympathized with Hitler’s regime until the very last days - after World War II, he only criticized the “mistakes” of the Nazis, without mentioning, for example, the tragedy of the Holocaust.

At the end of the 40s, Ilyin had a new idol - fascism in Spain and Portugal. Apparently, the philosopher longed to see something similar in Russia. Anything but the power of the Soviets.

It’s interesting how the portal culture.ru, which is also recommended for school education, interprets Ilyin’s views:

“Ilyin’s attitude towards fascism changed in the same way as his attitude towards the Russian revolution: from underestimating the threat to extreme rejection. Initially, the philosopher saw the emergence of a new radical doctrine as a natural, albeit forced, measure. According to Ilyin, fascism arose “as a reaction to Bolshevism, as a concentration of state security forces to the right. During the onset of leftist chaos and leftist totalitarianism, this was a healthy, necessary phenomenon.” Ilyin found the most unsympathetic aspects of the doctrine to be the racial theory (he was an ardent opponent of anti-Semitism) and the anti-church struggle.”

The article is called “Ivan Ilyin: exile and patriot.”

The Nazis came to power

It’s worth making a reservation right away - Ivan Ilyin “suffered” from the Nazis in Germany. This happened in 1938. The philosopher was squeezed out of the Third Reich after many years of work at the Russian Scientific Institute. They squeezed it out very carefully and with all honors - he, for example, took his entire library with him. The reason was the accusation of involvement in the Masonic lodge.

Ilyin left for Switzerland, which formally remained neutral, but clearly sympathized with Nazi Germany. Therefore, there could be no talk of any oppression of the interests of the fugitive philosopher. Ilyin worked quite comfortably in the field of the previous anti-communist propaganda.

Until 1938, our hero worked at the Russian Scientific Institute and did not leave the country in protest when the Nazis came to power in 1933. Moreover, he is promoted to vice president of this propaganda office. Formally, Ilyin worked for the Imperial Ministry of Education and Propaganda, to which the institute was subordinate. He actively worked against the Soviet Comintern and advised the German Anti-Comintern.

Even after the Nuremberg trials, Ilyin did not despise fascism

Just before the Nazis came to power, Ilyin published the work “National Socialism. New spirit." In it, in particular, you can find the following theses:

“What did Hitler do? He stopped the process of Bolshevisation in Germany and thereby rendered the greatest service to all of Europe... While Mussolini leads Italy, and Hitler leads Germany, European culture is given a reprieve.”

Or this:

“The leading layer is updated consistently and radically. Everything associated with Marxism, social democracy and communism is removed; all internationalists and Bolshevisans are removed; many Jews are leaving. Those who are clearly unacceptable to the “new spirit” are removed... The spirit of National Socialism cannot be reduced to “racism”. It does not come down to denial. He sets positive and creative goals.”

There is plenty of information to think about regarding the personality of the character in whose honor the RSUH Higher School is named.

As it became known, not only students, but also some deputies of the State Duma were indignant. Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Youth Policy, Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Vladimir Isakov believes that

“The interests of the philosopher Ilyin, after whom the center was named, “went against the interests and the very fact of the existence of our state” in the 354.1th century, and today fall under the provisions of the article of the Criminal Code on the rehabilitation of Nazism (Article XNUMX of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).”

Considering the process of complex and bloody extermination of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, the accusation is more than serious.

An official appeal was filed to the Prosecutor General's Office and the Ministry of Science and Higher Education of Russia.

Comments

[Nikolay Malyugin]

I’m not going to open LikBez on fascism and national socialism. Although for the current generation it is very necessary. There are unions working in contact with this phenomenon. There was a great deception of the world community that National Socialism was directed against the Bolsheviks and Jews. But they were not the only ones who ended up in the camps. Women and children of all nationalities ended up. The Germans were known to deal with them. I just want to say - fascism is not dead. This cancer cell is capable of infecting any state. For example, Ukraine, which also suffered during the war. Brown can return in hatred of its past. "The future is not determined by those who fight with the past. And those who build the new."

[cytadell]

Probably, Ilyin was in the ranks of Russian foreign intelligence, who, under the mantra of the philosopher, worked and informed Russia about the processes taking place in Europe at that time. How could one fight the emergence of fascism at that time in its place? A rhetorical question. Probably, this was not a stupid person who, mimicking fascist slogans and being there at the front, understood what was really happening. Yes, fascism is still poison. It bribes fools with faith in the national idea, and as it goes deeper and deeper, intertwined with cruelty and inhumanity, it acquires its true face. This model is now being exploited by Europeans in Ukraine, but the Ukrainians themselves are drinking it to death, because the roots of fascism and its ideas are preserved in western Ukraine. Remember? Right Sector, Yarosh, Lyashko, Tyagnibok and others.

[bayard]

Quote from cytadell

Probably, Ilyin was in the ranks of Russian foreign intelligence, who worked and informed under the mantra of the philosopher

The main ideologist of “Russian fascism” for the renegades of the emigration, Freemason, spy, philosopher, father of Russian National Socialism. Well, how can this not be made the main ideological symbol of “New Russia” and its power? Moreover, the government and the business it serves are extremely consistent with this ideology. The living embodiment and personification of this ideology is the main philosopher and ideologist of the government (and its owners), citizen Dugin.
And the amazed People kept wondering: “Who is it that erects monuments to ghouls, criminals and cannibals of the White Guard?” , “Who erected/authorized these memorials to the Nazis?” , "Who hung the memorial plaque for Manerheim?" , "Who inspires this singer of the composed history - Medinsky?" and “What kind of ideology does this government have and why is it so inverted and anti-human?” .
Ilinism, fascism\national socialism and anti-Bolshevism are an explosive mixture and an ideology of death for the people. It is obvious that it is precisely according to this ideology that the People are exterminated and replaced by “Alien” migrants.

It's time to get rid of this obscenity. As well as from its (obscenity) carriers. The government must cleanse itself and thereby gain the right to a moral victory in the war for its existence and future.

[cytadell]

So many big words! Savior, purifier You are ours. I just want to ask: - will you lead the cleansing of power? No matter what era you look in, the ears of people like you stick out everywhere. The Bolsheviks cleaned them out, Ilyin would also clean them out if he were in power, only from the Bolsheviks. Under Gorbach they cleaned it up - they rebuilt it in a Western manner - they rebuilt it, collapsing the Union. Under Yeltsin, they cleaned out the remnants of the old ideology and launched democracy. Now you have been found here - a purifier from Fascism. Dugin - drive with a broom, philosopher h.ev, also for me. Comparing Ilyin, a patriot of his country, albeit a nationalist, with Dugin is like comparing God’s gift to scrambled eggs. The ideas of nationalism at their origin imply the separation of one’s nation. Of course, this is a wrong idea if you get hung up on the idea of ​​your own superiority. But, on the other hand, disrespect for one’s own nation leads to dominance by migrants and suppression of one’s own identity. This is what is happening now in most countries of the world.
So, dear wise man, decide what ideology you want to profess!? Decide to what extent nationalism should be present in the country!? Otherwise, after some time, Russia risks losing its original roots and history. And finally calm down your liberating and cleansing ambitions. If Ilyin is a fascist, then he is the worst fascist he could ever be. Well, if he is a nationalist, then this person is a worthy person. For he wished goodness and exclusivity for his country. The only thing he can be accused of is hatred of the Bolsheviks and flirting with the ideas of fascism. Well, he is not God, and he could not foresee how this would end for the whole world. God is the judge.

[bayard]

Young man, you are apparently not from here, and you are not familiar with the topic. Therefore, I forgive rudeness for the first time.
And obviously you are not aware that even after the defeat of Nazi Germany, several years later (in 1947), Ilyin did not at all repent of his passion for National Socialism and fascism, and continued to speak out about the correctness and usefulness of fascism. In Switzerland . And this is not only because of his dense anti-Bolshevism, although many of the Russian emigration in those years not only internally reconciled with the USSR with the words “If we knew WHAT country the Bolsheviks were going to build, we would never have fought with them,” they simply changed their attitude towards the USSR and Soviet socialism, but also actively returned to their homeland. And among them there were even former generals of the tsarist army and participants in the White Movement. In the second half of the 80s, I studied in the same course with the great-grandson of General Yudenich (now lives in Kaliningrad), I have friends whose grandfathers and great-grandfathers participated in the White Movement. While my great-uncle at that time commanded the 25th Shock Chapaev Division, taking the position of division commander after the death of his friend.
And we all knew and know that if the Whites had won then, perhaps there would have been no trace left of Russia in History. And that you didn’t win in 1928-1929. Stalin's party group with a program for building Socialism in a single country, if we had not then carried out Industrialization at such a mind-boggling pace, our country would definitely not have survived the Second World War. And there would have been no Victory in that war.
The Soviet Union during Stalin's reign was not just effective, it was super-effective. And I am not touched by the whining of the bakery bakers that they were not allowed to continue to parasitize the Russian People and all the peoples of the USSR/Russia. I know that all Soviet citizens received equal rights to education, including higher education, and healthcare. I know how illiteracy and poverty were overcome. How, after a tough and often brutal change with Collectivization, the efficiency of agriculture increased, productivity increased, the issue of providing cities and construction sites with food was resolved, and considerable potential for exports appeared, which were calculated for the supply of machines, technologies and equipment. How in 10 years of the first two five-year plans 100 thousand engineers were trained, and the USSR in 1940 became the SECOND economy of the World. And at the same time, the welfare of Soviet citizens was constantly growing. And such ideologists of fascism and national socialism as Ilyin, Krasnov, Manerheim (also a former general of the Republic of Ingushetia) and Hitler wanted to deprive our People of all this.
Do you know what price my people paid for Victory in that war? About 7,5 million members of the Red/Soviet Army and about 18 million civilian population. Most of the European part of the country was destroyed by the war. I remember the veterans of that war as still quite young men of 45-50 years old... And you will be here, being also a foreigner, telling me something about the “frivolity” of fascism and its ideologist - Ilyin??
For the first time, I will take your post as naivety and lack of knowledge about the subject.

[cytadell]

You, dear one, first define the terms “fascist” and “national socialist”, otherwise for you, as I look at it, both in the forehead and in the forehead - everything is the same. For me, the concept of fascists is, first of all, murderers and destroyers of other nations. Those who committed genocide in the name of their exclusive, as they believed, Aryan nation, blue blood. Those who, before schizophrenia, believed in these ideas and were ready to destroy everyone and everything in the name of their exclusivity. A National Socialist is essentially an ordinary nationalist, with the ideas of love for his country and his nationality. Typical carriers of this ideology are Poland and the Baltic countries. For Russia, the concept of National Socialism is unacceptable. At least until today, the authorities are not considering it. Because, as I already said, this leads to the rocking and radicalization of society within the country - it is too multinational.
Second. Who I am and where I come from, and to what extent I am educated is not for you to judge. I’m not asking where you are from, and what have you been doing in Donetsk for 10 years!? What is your mission in all of this!? And judging by the condescending remarks, you have a high opinion of yourself and are probably “exceptionally forgiving.” He restrained himself so as not to make a harsher expression.
However, my inner instinct allows me to see the true content in a person. Among the verbosity of remarks, see the essence of the person expressing them.
It seemed to me that you are only hiding behind ideas of love for Russia, arguing for the sake of arguing. Or are you on the same topic as RSUH students!? Or are you just here? To make waves, so to speak, for a common cause. You're a shady guy. 10 years in Donetsk, with strangers. How are you holding up there? Poor guy.

Ps: for the sake of decency, answer at least a couple of my questions. Otherwise, you answered my previous post evasively, hiding behind the losses of the Second World War and other calculations from the history of the USSR. I know her as well as you do.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from cytadell

For me, the concept of fascists is, first of all, murderers and destroyers of other nations. Those who committed genocide in their name

This is where you are wrong. It was the German National Socialists who committed genocide (NSDAP, translated as National Socialist German Workers' Party)
The Italian Fascist Party did not persecute people based on their nationality, unlike the German NSDAP

[Foul skeptic]

The Italian Fascist Party did not persecute people based on their nationality

Stalked.
The gypsies will confirm.

[23ronin]

I also think that National Socialism is precisely the essence of misanthropy. Fascism is completely different. And let’s not forget where the roots of National Socialism come from and where, in principle, it originated—Scandinavia with its eugenics.

[bayard]

Quote from cytadell

first, decide on the terms “fascist” and “national socialist”, otherwise for you, as I look, both in the forehead and in the forehead - everything is the same. For me, the concept of fascists is, first of all, murderers and destroyers of other nations. Those who committed genocide in the name of their exclusive, as they believed, Aryan nation,

Sit down TWO. (according to a five-point system)
What you listed under the definition of the term “fascism” is German National Socialism. By the way, the captured Germans were very offended that they were called fascists: “We are National Socialists, and they are the fascists,” and pointed to the captured Italians.
Fasha, fascina is a bunch of twigs, means the term “cohesion”. These bunches are now on the coats of arms of many states. institutions of Russia. Ilinists try, but don’t speak out loud.
But for the Soviet people, and for the rest of the world, the word fascism was understood specifically as German National Socialism. For fascism appeared much earlier than Hitler at the head of Germany, and Mussolini came to power in Italy much earlier than the Austrian artist headed the state neighboring his homeland. And Ilyin became an ideologist of fascism even before Mussolini. So have no doubt - the term “fascism” is primary for all this diversity.

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For Russia, the concept of National Socialism is unacceptable.

I repeat - we look very carefully at the symbols/coats of arms of state institutions of the modern Russian Federation, looking for fascines on them... with axes sticking out of them. You will be surprised. Perhaps even unpleasantly surprised. So this is exactly what the Ideology of the ruling caste/community is. But this is not even proclaimed out loud, much less officially. But indirectly - for a long time. Through the propaganda of the same Ilyin, the glorification of Kolchak, Mannerheim, Krasnov and other White Guards and crystal bakers.

Quote from cytadell

For Russia, the concept of National Socialism is unacceptable. At least until today, the authorities are not considering it. Because, as I already said, this leads to the rocking and radicalization of society within the country - it is too multinational.

For the modern Russian Federation, this ideology is the idea of ​​uniting power precisely against the People. That is why this ideology is not public.

Quote from cytadell

I’m not asking where you are from, and what have you been doing in Donetsk for 10 years!?

I live. He participated in the creation of the DPR and even (though briefly) was the chief of staff of SMERSH DPR.

Quote from cytadell

Muddy you type.

Minus this time. And at the meeting I would have torn off my ears for rudeness.

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How are you holding up there? Poor guy.

I’m holding up fine, my hand is healing.

Quote from cytadell

hiding behind the losses of the Second World War and other calculations from the history of the USSR. I know her as well as you do.

ХReN0vo You know the story. Two points for you in History for today.

[23ronin]

So, for reference, you are talking about the Germans - “We are National Socialists, and they are the fascists,” and pointed to the captured Italians.” So, the Italians are exactly the opposite - “We are decent fascists, they are the Nazis” (Germans).

[bayard]

Quote: 23ronin

“We are decent fascists, they are the Nazis” (Germans).

This is exactly how they pointed at each other. But for all of them the term “fascism” is primary.

[gsev]

Quote from cytadell

First, define the terms “fascist” and “national socialist”

The National Socialists are the NSDAP - in the USSR an abbreviation from German - and in Russian this party of Hitler-Himler was called the National Socialist Democratic Workers' Party of Germany. In the USSR, the Nazis were most often called fascists. But the fascist party in Italy, in comparison with the Nazis, was somehow unfinished and awkward and not as cannibalistic as the brainchild of the twilight Teutonic mind.

[Hagakure]

Dear, there is no need to idealize the Bolsheviks, they have broken wood - be healthy, we are still eating....

[bayard]

Quote: Hagakure

we're still slurping...

You still haven't run out of Soviet galoshes.
Your “unlucky” ancestors saved so many smart people for you.

[Hagakure]

You, apparently, are one of those who have a plug in every barrel... Maybe you can calm down, you talkative one?

[bayard]

Quote: Hagakure

Maybe you'll calm down, you talkative fellow?

So you, too, do not let up in your heresy.
So tell me, my dear fellow, from what kind of magical bins is equipment now coming from for modernization and then to the troops? At which factories is it modernized and a new one produced? Where did those machine tool factories come from that are now being restarted, and which citizen Manturov has been smashing and destroying for so many years? Maybe stop blaming the glorious past of your Country. You have a safety margin from her, so unloved by you, to this day you eat.

[Hagakure]

What makes you think that I don’t love my homeland? The fact that I don’t have a drum around my neck? Well, you can love it (the motherland) quietly... And as for criticism, everything is simple here: it is love for the motherland and a good knowledge of national history that allows me to criticize some parts of our history... And, for the sake of curiosity, I wanted would you like to hear about my heresy? Only essentially, without your foam...

[bayard]

Quote: Hagakure

What makes you think that I don’t love my homeland?

To begin with, the word Motherland is written with a capital letter. With small it is permissible to write, for example, such a concept as small homeland.

Quote: Hagakure

And, out of curiosity, would you like to hear about my heresy? Only essentially, without your foam

Your heresy is about the wood that was broken by the Bolsheviks. Many people broke firewood there, from the incompetent tsar and his rule, to the conspirators of the Duma and all the revolutionary parties that participated in two (February and October) coups, White Guard armies with money from the Entente, foreign interventionists, various gangs of anarchists and simply criminals, regional nationalists and outright colabarants. The Bolsheviks, as the victorious side in this mess, cleared the country of all this diversity for a long time. And then she built a Great Superpower.

And what did those who came after them (the Bolsheviks) become famous for?
So try to get even a little closer to the results that the “damned Bolsheviks” so hated by you achieved.

[Hagakure]

As I expected, not a word about heresy. All the best. Keep writing.

[23ronin]

Do you want Yezhov with Beria, GULAG AND SHARASHKA!? I agree on only one thing: that their righteous anger should be directed at the thieves and corrupt officials entrenched in power. The fish rots from the head, they just clean it from the tail. War communism must be left in the past, and so the “wood” was broken.

[bayard]

I don't want Yezhov. And I would love to talk to Beria - he was the smartest guy.

Quote: 23ronin

War communism must be left in the past

Do you know the meaning of the word “communism”?
Do you know what your phrase means? ...otherwise they started talking foreignness here.
"War communism" is a MOBILIZED COMMUNITY. But both of these words are probably unpleasant for you.
Do you know that before Stolypin’s reforms, and even later, Russian men lived in villages under communism?
At the very present. With socialized ownership of land and when “to each according to his needs” - the newlyweds need a house/terem cut down for a wedding - they gather as a community and build it in a day. It’s not a burden to yourself, and it’s a joy to the young. Or if someone got burned, the whole community helped. The widow's wedge was always plowed by the community, sowed and helped with harvesting, because the children were there.
Haven’t you heard that the son of Rabbi K. Marx copied the idea of ​​“communism” from such a peasant community? And before, in some places and in cities they lived in the same way - in communities (in Paris, for example) - communes in French. He (Marx) tried to reason with that same group of Russian revolutionaries: why are you so eager to study communism, go home, you still have rural communities there. Develop them, transfer experience to the cities through trade unions, and you will have communism.
And now, weak-minded people who don’t know the French language, their eyes widen at someone’s “terrible”, and for someone else’s coveted “communism”... Not realizing that Russia is the homeland of elephants \\ sorry - communism. For the people lived in communities. He did not go to the cities to visit the occupiers, he lived a normal life in a healthy society. Without any collectivization, initially, completely - in Communism (wow, how is that in French) ... And then small-town revolutionaries arrived in large numbers - in an armored car and with weapons, and let’s rob and build something French. They found an alcoholic, made him the chairman of the collective farm, and his drinking buddies as his assistants. And those who didn’t go to alcoholics for something, robbed and escorted entire families to build something French.
Then he found out about the disgrace of the small-town big (not tall) Georgians in the Kremlin and stopped the disgrace. And when another Georgian came to help him, they completely calmed down the locals and assigned everyone to the case... so that the fool wouldn’t want something French from the Russian peasants again.
And life went on - better, more fun, more victorious.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Hagakure

everything is simple: it is love for the motherland and a good knowledge of national history that allows me to criticize some parts of our

Forgive me for interfering in your dispute, but it seems to me that your knowledge is somehow one-sided and you received it from liberal sources. As Vysotsky sang, I’ll paraphrase a little, you read the wrong books as a child.

[Hagakure]

Yes, no, fellow countryman, thank God everything is fine with my knowledge. Of course, I picked it up in the late 80s and 90s without it, but who didn’t get poisoned then? I think - only a few. And the “comrade” with whom I was discussing is a typical talker (a liar and a laugher), with his brain turned inside out.

[23ronin]

Let me note that if there had been no GULAG, "sharashkas" and so on, the USSR would not have become the second economy in the world. And judging by your text: How, after a tough and often brutal turning point with Collectivization, the efficiency of agriculture increased, productivity increased, the issue of providing cities and construction sites with food, and there was considerable potential for export, which was paid for the supply of machines. The key word is HARD AND CRUEL change. I understand that probably a lot was needed, and now you will explain this to the young and not only “crystal bakers”. one thing. Here on the site there is a post about Portugal, how it got out and fell into decay again as soon as they began to live well and satisfyingly. I see a direct analogy with our present, as soon as they grew “fat”, different thoughts immediately began to spin in their heads. Thank you.

[cytadell]

Look at the root, 23ronin. The example of Europe, once great, confirms your words. Which positioned itself as a model of freedom and democracy. And now, before our eyes, it is degenerating culturally and as a civilization, plundering Middle Eastern countries together with the United States and spitting on all the postulates on which it once relied. Our course, no matter who criticizes it, is true. And the test of time will prove it.

[bayard]

Quote: 23ronin

The key word is HARD AND CRUEL fracture. I understand that a lot was probably necessary, and now you will explain this to the young and not only “crystal bakers”.

In fact, “cruel” is not at all necessary, and it was not like that everywhere. In Georgia, for example, collectivization generally took place very gently and without violence or repression. And then it was led (drum roll) by L.P. Beria. He acted out of conviction and proposed organizing into agricultural cooperatives, promising (and fulfilling!) assistance from the state in the supply of equipment, seedlings, and sending young people to train future agronomists. In addition, he applied a scientific approach and rational management of the available resource - climate. He turned Georgia into a blooming garden, drained swamps in the lower reaches of rivers, purchased seedlings of subtropical plants, and developed tea growing in every possible way. Members of agricultural cooperatives began to sharply become rich compared to the rest of the uninvolved population... And people went on their own. So it was not at all necessary to dispossess the average peasant, who not only did not use hired labor, but also sometimes went to work for the sake of earning extra money... but I didn’t want to go to the collective farm where the village drunkard and slacker were appointed chairman... That’s me I told you the story of my mother’s family. They were dispossessed in 1929. And they were pushing around. Her father lost all his teeth from scurvy in a special settlement at the age of 30.
And it was precisely this kind of bestiality (forced collectivization and repression) that Stalin stopped when he learned about what was happening. read his article "On local excesses".
The chaos during collectivization was caused precisely by the activists of the Trotskyist underground... Although what kind of underground they were then - almost all the power belonged to them. Incl. and law enforcement agencies. Stalin took control of the security forces only just before the war.

[23ronin]

Dear Bayard, you seem to be very slippery. And why do you bypass those negative actions that the pariah bodies on the ground carried out out of stupidity and thoughtlessness. Everything can be blamed on the Trotskyists-Bukharinites and God knows who else. Food requisitioning - food detachments and so on, how did it end? Hunger!

[bayard]

Quote: 23ronin

.Prodrazvyorstka - food detachments and so on, how did it end? Hunger!

So the war went on. The creepiest and meanest is the civilian one. Who will plow the field in such a situation? Who will bring food to the city for the market? Gangs are roaming around, red, white, green, and all sorts of anarchy... Or do you think in the Donbass, in some places, the fields are cultivated? And then no power was established. And the cities were starving. So they sent food detachments to plunder the surrounding villages.
Who was in those food detachments? Yes, mainly those same Sverdlovsk-Trotskyists-Bukharinites.
And when the war came to an end, and the surrounding villages were plundered to zero... there was no one left to rob. And to save cities from starvation, the New Economic Policy (NEP) began.
Why "new"?
So the government was new, everything was new for them. A reboot has occurred. And the local revolutionaries are in power. Having no idea that people have been living in the villages under Communism since time immemorial... only they don’t know French. That's why they live simply - in communities. And the Community (as all French speakers know) is the Commune. Therefore, in the same areas, the economy that is common is called communal.
So, from somewhere on our native communists (rural and urban), children of Turkish subjects fell on their heads; their brains had mixed up Russian and French, but they loved to rob and kill with passion. So after the Civil War, everyone built their own. They slaughtered and tyrannized the locals until the locals came to the NKVD and other security agencies and restored order there. At that point, the bestiality of the Turkish subjects subsided, so that we approached the inevitable Second World War with improved bodies, the Army and the state as a whole. And they won.
And only a blind person can deny the successes of the USSR in economic development. overcame illiteracy, poverty (not misery!), created the best healthcare system in the World. What was the retirement age in the USSR? And how did Stalin justify it? That's it. What about mandatory vacation? What about sanatoriums, dispensaries, pioneer camps, cultural centers, houses for pioneers, young technicians, young naturalists, etc.?
There is People's Power, and there is Anti-People's Power. Enlightened Feudalism is not the crown of development... It is not even degradation, it is almost the bottom.

Quote: 23ronin

You bypass those negative acts

I point to the result of the work of Stalin and his team.
Failures, trial and error, sabotage and resistance of the Trotskyists who lost the political struggle - this is what the Trotskyists blame...Stalin.
But it’s just Khutzpah - to shit under the door and scream: “This is UNBEARABLE!!!” .

[cytadell]

If Russian society were at least somewhat educated, it would figure out the true motives of the nationalist Ilyin. And so, only superficial judgments and loud exclamations. Everything is as usual.

Ps: I'm waiting for the cons. Honor me with your contempt and censure. You are all so perfectly Russian or Russian. Correct me.

[bayard]

Quote from cytadell

:I'm waiting for the cons. Honor me

For stupidity and low education I will not give a minus for the first time. Even though you tried.
But this is the first time.
And it’s not for you to give me advice on how to love my Motherland. I've been in Donetsk for 10 years already.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from cytadell

Honor me with your contempt and censure

I honor. You, who have understood the concepts of Italian fascism and German National Socialism, have understood the philosophy of I. Ilyin? However. You honestly deserve your minus from me.

[cytadell]

You're right, I admit. But I am against the persecution of people of that time, rocking society by poking around in history and making quick conclusions about a person. Some modern philosophers raise greater doubts than people of that time. Therefore, let real historians do this.

[23ronin]

Let me make a reservation right away: I personally do not support a number of your judgments, however, any bright idea can be profaned and “talked out” like the “late” commies did, that we have come to what we have come to. A simple example is to turn the famous image of the Solstice into a Nazi symbol.

[cytadell]

Thank you, 23ronin. If you saw a reasonable amount of truth in my judgments, then my efforts were not wasted. Yes, I was a C student in history and I was ashamed to admit that in my mind I confused the term national socialist with socialism within the borders of one specific nation. But it turned out that this is Nazism. I think that Hitler was a very smart man and when creating his fascist party, he deceived everyone, clouding their brains with this term, including socialists in other countries. And then, changing his course and instilling misanthropic ideas, he stained this term with blood. But this does not address my gaps in history and the fact remains a fact. Thank you again and may God grant the true patriots of their Motherland and the sons of Russia goodness, courage and strength!

Long live Russia!

Ps: below, in the link, one very smart person separated the flies from the cutlets and put an end to Ilyin’s question. Thanks to him.

https://topwar.ru/240975-informacionnyj-shum-vokrug-rggu-i-ivana-ilina-pochemu-ne-stoit-borotsja-s-istoricheskim-proshlym.html

[23ronin]

Yes, it’s not even about your efforts, we, for the most part, love our long-suffering USSR/Russia, we are trying to understand the twists and turns of our history. Be kind

[bayard]

Quote: 23ronin

A simple example is to turn the famous image of the Solstice into a Nazi symbol.

But the German National Socialists did it.
And so this is an ancient symbol of movement.

[23ronin]

Thank you, I heard you, in your head “horses and people are mixed....”.

[bsk_una]

The power must cleanse itself and thereby gain the right to a moral victory in the war for its existence and future... And where has it been seen that the power cleanses itself? Clerks are replaced like worn and tight gloves. Clerks do not clean themselves, only birds clean their own feathers. And when there is no demand and responsibility for the proper performance of duties, laxity and irresponsibility appear, which turns into betrayal.

[bayard]

Quote: bsk_una

Where has it been seen that power cleanses itself?

Well, in our God-saved fatherland in the 30s it was possible. True, the parasites resisted, plotted, carried out sabotage, and even committed the so-called. "Stalin's (in fact, they can be called KHRUSHCHEV'S, because this pepper proclaimed them) purges." But after Beria came to the NKVD, both the organs and power structures were cleared of parasites to a fair extent. Otherwise they would not have survived the war.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: bayard

carried out sabotage and even committed the so-called. "Stalin's (in fact, they can be called KHRUSHCHEV'S, because this pepper proclaimed them) purges." But after Beria and

In fairness, I must note that the “skirmisher”, the pioneer in the matter of repression, was not Khrushchev, but Eikhe

[/quote]At the head of the great terror in Western Siberia
Eikhe took over the leadership of the “cleansing” of the party and economic apparatus, which caused an unprecedented wave of arrests. He led the deployment of mass repressions in Siberia. He was part of the very first of the troikas of the Great Terror period (approved by a decision of the Politburo on June 28, 1937[11]), which imposed thousands of extrajudicial death sentences.

In 1937, the “troika” of the NKVD of Western Siberia, which included Eikhe and GB Commissioner of the 3rd Rank S. N. Mironov-Korol, sentenced 16 people, including 553 to death, 4762 to sending to camps, 8576 to exile, 1456 - deportation[1759].

Eikhe sought to personally direct the work of the Siberian security officers and interfered in the affairs of the NKVD. In some cases, he came to the NKVD headquarters and attended interrogations.

In 1937, the troika under the leadership of Eikhe repressed 34 people in the cases of the “White Guard-monarchist organization of the EMRO”, “Siberian branch of the Labor Peasant Party”, “Church-monarchist insurgent organization” and others[872].[quote]

Khrushchev was an effective follower of the line of Eikhe and other secretaries of regional committees and regional committees of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. They tried to knock out the most authoritative people among the people in view of the approaching elections to all government bodies, both party and Soviet. Only in order to retain power for themselves.

[bayard]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

In fairness, I must note that the “skirmisher”, the pioneer in the matter of repression, was not Khrushchev, but Eikhe

Yes, there were a lot of skirmishers, as well as executioners. But at that congress, when the first free elections under the new Constitution were postponed, and the elections were secret and on a competitive basis, Khrushchev presided and it was he who put this issue to a vote and then announced the decision of the congress. The question of carrying out "cleansings".

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Only in order to retain power for themselves.

[gsev]

Quote: bayard

True, the parasites resisted, plotted, carried out sabotage, and even committed the so-called. "Stalinist (in fact, they can be called KHRUSCHEVSKY, because this pepper proclaimed them) purges"

But when Khrushchev came to power, with the wave of a wand, mass repressions stopped, people in the hundreds of thousands stopped regularly dying of hunger. It was under Khrushchev that the USSR surpassed the United States in nuclear energy, the development of the space program, created the most powerful press in the world, and was on an equal footing in military and civil aviation.

[bayard]

Quote: gsev

But when Khrushchev came to power, with the wave of a wand, mass repressions stopped

What ???
Actually, the first amnesties were carried out by Beria. And what kind of “mass repressions” were there after the war? You didn’t confuse the Trotskyist terror of the 30s (when they were losing power) with the post-war heyday. Being the most destroyed and damaged country after the war, the USSR was the first to overcome the consequences of the war, rebuilt cities, and restarted the Economy. And this is in the context of the outbreak of the Cold War. And tell me honestly, have you really not heard anything about Khrushchev’s pogrom of personnel after the seizure of power in 1955? There was a monstrous pogrom. All Stalinist cadres were displaced or repressed, the Soviet Government (!!) was ABOLISHED!! Fully !! There were no sectoral ministries left, no single management system - he introduced direct party management of the country and the economy! No one dared to even think, let alone say a word. And so it was until they threw off the ghoul. The economy has gone to pieces. Instead of rapid and uncontrollable growth (including the well-being of citizens), a Recession came. And not just by percentages or tens of percentages, but in some industries by several times. The statistics were closed and classified. The country experienced a food and consumer goods crisis. Labor productivity in many sectors decreased because incentives disappeared. And the monetary reform led to a collapse in the standard of living by about 2-2,5 times in one fell swoop.
This is why the scoundrel and enemy of the people was removed. Not for foreign policy and shocking foolishness at the UN. Ra collapse of the Economy and Public Administration. And they called it all collectively (very politically correct) - valuntarism.

Quote: gsev

It was under Khrushchev that the USSR surpassed the United States in nuclear energy, the development of the space program, created the most powerful press in the world, and was on an equal footing in military and civil aviation.

This was the INERTIA of Stalin's grandiose development programs. Very soon everything began to simply fall apart.
Aviation?
Both the Tu-16 and Tu-95, on the basis of which the magnificent Tu-104 and Tu-114 were created, were created under Stalin, on his instructions, and Khrushchev simply used these achievements of Stalin’s programs as trophies.
Rocket technology, astronautics, air defense?
All this (these areas) was supervised by Beria. As well as the Nuclear Industry and Science!
What does the dense and uneducated Khrushch have to do with it?
Did he gather our nuclear physicists from all over the country? Did he set tasks for them?
Khrushchev is Khrushchev - a PEST.

[gsev]

Quote: bayard

Have you really not heard anything about Khrushchev’s pogrom of personnel after the seizure of power in 1955? There was a monstrous pogrom. All Stalinist cadres were displaced or repressed,

And can you name many names of peasants dispossessed during Khrushchev’s reign and exiled under him to Kazakhstan or Sakhalin? Will you gain at least one million (15% of those dispossessed under Stalin)? My grandmother's godfather's family completely starved to death. My grandfather's brother was exiled to Sakhalin with his family. Grandfather had to organize the theft of collective farm property and organize drunken parties and parties for the collective farm management with the stolen goods, so that the people who repressed his brother would write a paper that this repression was organized by mistake. Under Khrushchev, no repressions affected either my relatives or friends.

[bayard]

Quote: gsev

And can you name many names of peasants dispossessed during Khrushchev’s reign and exiled under him to Kazakhstan or Sakhalin?

A lot of . So many . All those repressed during collectivization in the Ukrainian SSR, as well as all those who died from artificial famine (Holodomor) there. And this was even before the start of the repressions of 1938-1938. , in which Khrushchev’s role was the most terrible and tragic - he headed the Moscow Troika.
Are millions enough for you?

Quote: gsev

My grandmother's godfather's family completely starved to death.

Quote: gsev

. My grandfather's brother was exiled to Sakhalin with his family.

The entire family of my mother’s parents was dispossessed in 1929, although they were not kulaks and did not use hired labor. Moreover, the day before my grandfather and his brother got married, and before the wedding for the season they went to work in a neighboring village for a man who had no sons (only daughters) and had a lot of land. Earn money for a wedding and a new household. The owner treated them like sons, he and his wife got up before them, making sure that the guys did not blow themselves up from their own ardor. I paid in full. Weddings took place. And the next year they came to the collective farm to agitate. My grandfather’s family didn’t join - they appointed alcoholics as chairman and to the council, but ours had a strong economy, but they worked on their own. They were dispossessed by denunciation. But they couldn’t call them kulaks, so they came up with the term “podkulakniki”. My grandfather's entire family was convicted and taken to the construction sites of Socialism. They built the Ufa Polytechnic University. two years . The family was separated. Two years later, the family was allowed to unite and was sent to a special settlement in the Ashinsky district of the Ufa region, in a swampy saddle between the mountains, where huts were built on stilts, and logging was going on in the mountains. Diseases, disgusting food, exhausting work. At the age of 30, my grandfather lost all his teeth from scurvy. Three newborn sons died shortly after birth. By the mid-30s, life in the special settlement began to gradually improve for those who survived. Daughters began to be born. . And in 1937 everything seemed to change. The bosses stopped bullying, the organization of work improved... And just before the war, “they completely healed” (from a grandmother’s story). But they remained in the special settlement until the mid-50s. Then my grandfather worked as a forester in the Chelyabinsk region. He had a medal "For Valiant Labor". Golden.
And my mother’s older brother married the daughter of the commander of the 1938th Chapaev Division, who was repressed in 25. My aunt's father was arrested and shot on the day of his arrest on the basis of a slander against the Trotskyists. . His wife died in the Kazakh camps, and his daughter ended up in an orphanage... then a pedagogical college...
So I don’t need to shake my repressed ancestors, my family was affected much more strongly by this. And I know better than you about who and how those repressions were organized and carried out.

Quote: gsev

. Grandfather had to organize the theft of collective farm property and organize drunken parties and parties for the collective farm management with the stolen goods, so that the people who repressed his brother would write a paper that this repression was organized by mistake.

But my ancestors did not commit any thefts. The Code of Honor was in their blood. A Ural journalist described the history of my grandfather’s family; the entire issue of Uralsky Rabochiy was dedicated to this. The article was called "Genocide".
This is what the Trotskyists, so defended by you, were doing at the head of Khrushchev, so praised by you.

Quote: gsev

Under Khrushchev, no repressions affected either my relatives or friends.

Under Khrushchev, Bandera’s followers were also released from the camps, to say nothing of the usual plunderers of socialist and/or collective farm property.

[gsev]

Quote: bayard

But my ancestors did not commit any thefts. The Code of Honor was in their blood.

My grandmother told me<<< that they told my godfather: “Godfather, have a conscience, steal from the collective farm. Otherwise, your children will die of hunger.” And the shameless godfather answered: “I can’t steal. I’m not used to it.” Here are his family and all those who did not switch to the one introduced by I.V.’s comrades. Stalin, Yagoda, Yezhov and Beria, the moral "that theft on a collective farm is a matter of valor, honor and heroism of the Soviet peasant" died of hunger." At least in the village of Sibirovka, Yurlovsky district, Tambov region. >>> If you go to the links "Dikoy village" and “monument to fallen deserters”, you will also learn about many interesting traditions that appeared thanks to Stalin.

[highlight]

How tired I am of the demagogue’s technique of being the first to shout Hitler-Hitler in the direction of his opponent in a dispute and consider himself the winner after this procedure.
The fact that the Kremlins, in their creative impotence, even grab onto those who would not shake hands with them, but would even spit in their faces is even funny. For they are the descendants in blood and spirit of Lenin’s Politburo, but in an almost comic and farcical performance.

[cast iron]

At what point is Ilyin’s personality “ambiguous”? Ilyin is clearly a Russian fascist who glorified Mussolini and Hitler. Everything with him is very clear.

[paul3390]

A reasonable question arises - who is the character who often and voluptuously quotes an unambiguous fascist? And - what will happen next? Will they start quoting Goebbels for our edification?

[dmi.pris1]

A reasonable question arises...Is everything okay in the “Danish kingdom”? Since, without any fear, Ilyin’s name is taken as a banner, in particular by teachers at the Russian State University for the Humanities. And not only there...

[paul3390]

Hmm ..

In USSR schools there were two main subjects: in NVP lessons they taught how to shoot, in history lessons they taught who to shoot. (C)

[man]

Quote: paul3390

Hmm ..

In USSR schools there were two main subjects: in NVP lessons they taught how to shoot, in history lessons they taught who to shoot. (C)

Lies! In USSR schools, the main subjects were physics and mathematics!

[Il'nur]

there were physics and mathematics!

So physicists and mathematicians need to be protected, but if you don’t know how, and from whom, then mathematics and physics will not help...

[man]

Quote: Ilnur

there were physics and mathematics!

So physicists and mathematicians need to be protected, but if you don’t know how, and from whom, then mathematics and physics will not help...

Those Soviet physicists and mathematicians at one time defended the country so much that the West is still pissing its pants!

[Il'nur]

Those Soviet physicists and mathematicians at one time defended the country so much that the West is still pissing its pants!

I agree, but at one time, physicists and mathematicians were protected by those who knew how to shoot...

[UAZ 452]

But in 91, somehow everyone got confused about who to shoot at (probably history and social studies were taught poorly in Soviet schools), and then physicists and mathematicians went to the markets to sell Chinese consumer goods. And who did this so-called “best in the world” Soviet education help? Judging by the results, no one.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: UAZ 452

And who did this so-called “best in the world” Soviet education help?

What surprises me most is how people with the best Soviet education in the world began to “charge” jars of water en masse in front of their TVs...

[DenVB]

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

What surprises me most is how people with the best Soviet education in the world began to “charge” jars of water en masse in front of their TVs...

So what? I was charging. In general, it was fun to watch Chumak.

I didn’t like Kashpirovsky right away. He's kind of evil, the crazy women in the hall are shaking their heads.

[Il'nur]

in 91 somehow everyone got confused

It will be correct - they confused... First, tagged with his chatter about acceleration and perestroika, and about new thinking, and behind this chatter is the surrender of the country’s interests and betrayal. Then the stupid drunk with his young reformers, shouting “God bless America,” finally betrayed and sold the country out... So it was not clear who to shoot at, because at the very top there was an enemy who began to shoot at those “mathematicians and physicists” , and in what was created with the help of the best education in the world, and in that very education...

[dmi.pris1]

Judging by what is happening, mathematicians and physicists have gone deep underground (or rather, driven there). And similar “lyricists” with dumb ideas appeared on the stage...

[man]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Judging by what is happening, mathematicians and physicists have gone deep underground (or rather, driven there). And similar “lyricists” with dumb ideas appeared on the stage...

Yeah, back in the 90s the Liberoid “lyricists” killed physicists...

[Vicontas]

Having come to power, Stalin ordered the introduction of logic and psychology into the school curriculum - the “dictator who drinks the blood of nations” needed creative people who could formulate and solve a problem and be responsible for its result! In 1959, these subjects were removed - the then ruler had only corn in his head - “queen of the fields”. Current rulers require “qualified consumers” - as Zadornov said - “stomachs”, not brains! The ever-irremovable himself is a fan of Tsarist Russia during the time of Nicholas II, whose wife Alice of Hesse liked to say - “The Russian people only need a whip!”

[ratcatcher]

“logic and psychology” - You don’t know about the persecution of psychology in favor of “the only true teaching about the reflexes of Academician Pavlov”? The rise of Soviet psychology, which began with the works of Luria, Vygotsky, and Rubinstein, was actually stopped in the 30s. In the early 50s, the “Pavlovian session” followed, which further aggravated the situation. And only in the late 50s did Soviet psychology begin to actively develop again.
As for logic - yes, the subject was not bad and the textbook itself, but then, logic was not completely thrown out. And they included mathematical logic in the section of studying mathematics... By the way, logic was studied at school, precisely as a subject before the Revolution. After it was removed, there were discussions to bring it back again. And after the war, they again included in the program a slightly modified pre-revolutionary textbook...
But we must take into account that training was not introduced everywhere at once, but gradually, experimentally. Logic was taught by teachers of literature, not mathematics. And they managed to introduce these subjects in 600 schools out of 120 in the USSR...

[dmi.pris1]

Hang. Who? Students, teachers or.... Specify... Okay, no need, otherwise someone is already knocking on the door...

[tatarin1972]

Hang teachers and students as soldiers for 25 years.

[realing]

A patriot defends the right, regardless of nationality.
A nationalist defends his fellow man, regardless of whether he is right.

You have no idea how close these 2 terms are

[realing]

I see.
You can see it.

[UserGun]

No. Political economy! Without credits for it, you'll be damned, not a diploma)))

[man]

Quote: UserGun

No. Political economy! Without credits for it, you'll be damned, not a diploma)))

Firstly, political economy was only in institutions, in schools did not have.
Second, the failure in any subject, not just political economy, led to exclusion from exams and expulsion from the institute.

[qQQQ]

Quote: paul3390

In USSR schools there were two main subjects: in NVP lessons they taught how to shoot, in history lessons they taught who to shoot. (With)

Nonsense, NVP was just the most passable subject, an analogue of the current life safety, slightly diluted with the theory of Chemical Defense, AKM and combat training. I never remember who to shoot at. More precisely, there was an instruction to prepare to fight the enemies of the Motherland, without specifics. Ours was from former pilots; there was no time for propaganda there. It was fun and stress-free.

[dmi.pris1]

I remember with warmth the military commander-Colonel Pavel Ivanovich Chibisov. Also a pilot..

[shikin]

Yes, I see that some people have trouble with humor here (if anything, this is not about you).

[paul3390]

This is unfortunate... Next time I'll put grinning emoticons. Or writing right away is a joke. Or a joke...

[Commissar Kitten]

Quote: paul3390

A reasonable question arises - who is the character who often and voluptuously quotes an unambiguous fascist? And - what will happen next? Will they start quoting Goebbels for our edification?

The question is reasonable. But it is strange that it causes more concern for the piety of what is said than what is done.

[paul3390]

This hasn't caused me any worries for a long time. But only anger, indignation and hatred. And the understanding that the country, under such wise leadership, is clearly moving in some very dark direction...

[Dozorny severa]

Putin does not exist in a vacuum, and most likely has a limited ability to influence historical processes. Capitalism needs resources and markets, the costs of this process do not concern anyone. Individuals or socio-economic groups cannot objectively resist this spontaneous process.

[Gardamir]

Here you can talk about the role of personality in history. For example, the gentleman you named constantly ridicules the agreements concluded by Soviet leaders. But the seers deceived him. It's humiliating to call yourself a sucker.
As for capitalism, Putinism is ultra-capitalism.

[vkfriendly]

Of course, he does not exist in a vacuum, only at the same time he has unlimited power; the last word is always his. It’s just bad that he often follows Nabiulina’s lead (it’s clear that he’s not a financier), who messes with the ruble exchange rate and rates, now the ruble should be strong, and not jump from 70 to 100, the pre-war situation in the world requires this, otherwise our the economy is in trouble in such a terrible time. And the Central Bank, as financiers say, is swimming in foreign currency and doesn’t know where to dump it, you can’t dump it into Europe for storage and it’s in the way, they’ve started importing much less, which has the same effect. It's time to raise the ruble and consolidate it, but it is profitable for someone to play on the stock exchange to lower or increase the ruble and the currency. In total, the ruble or currency jumps by a couple of dozen coins, but when in the game the amounts of hundreds of billions end up in someone’s pocket, tens and hundreds of millions.

[Dmitry Rigov]

This problem with the currency was in 2022, when the borders with Europe and Swift were abruptly closed, now imports have recovered, other supply chains to Russia have been established, but more expensive, and income from the sale of oil and gas has decreased, while costs for the water supply system have increased significantly , and the Ministry of Finance simply began printing money, thereby devaluing the ruble. In addition, part of the income due to dedollarization was blocked in non-convertible currencies, such as the Indian rupee.

[Electrical]

It’s just bad that he often follows the lead of Nabiulina (it’s clear that he is not a financier), who messes with the ruble exchange rate and rates, now the ruble should be strong

This is not on occasion, this is something completely different. In order for the ruble to become strong, you do not need to be a financier. Only two things are enough. 1. Give the order to make it so. 2. In case of failure to comply within a month, impale him. All!.
Although no, there is a third one. This month, watch carefully so that it doesn’t go abroad like Chubais.

[ammunition]

Quote: paul3390

a reasonable question - who is the character who often and voluptuously quotes an unambiguous fascist?

Carrying out Ilyin’s “idea” and recommendations into our lives. And this is one hundred hundred times worse than quoting.
Ilyin has only one idea. - "The caste of the chosen ones is gentlemen ("knights"), and the mob is cattle." All. Actually, this is the brief essence of fascism.
*****
A much more reasonable question is - Why does almost everyone support this “policy”??! Hoping to get into the 0.1% of the chosen ones? Or are they just zombied? .. Or out of fear?
It's a paradox, though. ((((

[Doccor18]

ammunition
Why does almost everyone support

Where did you get the idea that “almost everything..”?
For me, almost everyone doesn’t try to figure it out at all: what’s going on up there, what theories are being put forward, where are we going or flying at breakneck speed... Everyone is busy, so to speak, with the mundane, work/earning money... And those who have figured it out ( absolute minority), they are divided approximately in half, some see themselves in those 0,1%, while others write petitions, realizing with horror what is in store for the other 99,9%...

[Il'nur]

Carrying out Ilyin’s “idea” and recommendations into our lives

Only for some reason in the opposite direction, i.e. against the Russians, by the hands of the “new Russians”...

[DenVB]

Quote: ammunition

Carrying out Ilyin’s “idea” and recommendations into our lives.

Populating the country with Tajiks and Azerbaijanis? I think this would even make Ilyin eat a little fish soup.

[fif21]

Quote: paul3390

A reasonable question arises

How to control the masses? Blow your mind with different ideologies, create an image of an enemy, and, hiding behind this fog, steal, steal, steal. In the Russian Federation, a whole class of parasites has been inherited, engaged in chatter and parasitizing on it. Naturally, in order to support the existing regime.

[man]

Moved to Russia by inheritance a whole class of parasites engaged in chatter and parasitizing on it.
You are in vain. In the USSR, indeed, there were such idlers, but the scale compared to today was much more modest in number, and even in terms of payment for their services it was simply meager

[fif21]

Quote: mann

You are in vain.

You are in vain! Don't be modest An anecdote from the times of the USSR. Teacher in the classroom. Children, where is the happiest childhood for children? Tanya - in the USSR! Where are the best toys? Vanya is in the USSR! Where do people care the most? Irina - in the USSR! Vovochka, why are you crying? Vovochka - I want to live in the USSR!
And from all the boxes - Friendship of Peoples! The weaver runs the state! We are the first in everything! Institutes, party schools, departments of the Central Committee, the press, television.... And behind this screen there is cronyism, nepotism, theft.... Now the same thing, only instead of cronyism, there are admirers of the dollar, for which everything is bought and sold. Conversation specialists are paid well, but their task is more difficult - slaves must enjoy the good life of their masters.

[man]

Quote: fif21

Quote: mann

You are in vain.

You are in vain! Don't be modest An anecdote from the times of the USSR. Teacher in the classroom. Children, where is the happiest childhood for children? Tanya - in the USSR! Where are the best toys? Vanya is in the USSR! Where do people care the most? Irina - in the USSR! Vovochka, why are you crying? Vovochka - I want to live in the USSR!
And from all the boxes - Friendship of Peoples! The weaver runs the state! We are the first in everything! Institutes, party schools, departments of the Central Committee, the press, television.... And behind this screen there is cronyism, nepotism, theft.... Now the same thing, only instead of cronyism, there are admirers of the dollar, for which everything is bought and sold. Conversation specialists are paid well, but their task is more difficult - slaves must enjoy the good life of their masters.

It’s good for me to drive liberoid bullshit! You liberals love to pretend to be idiots!
I agreed with you that this happened in the USSR too! But he emphasized the main thing, the scale of the phenomenon! And this is precisely the main thing you allegedly did not notice!

[fif21]

Quote: mann

It’s good for me to drive liberoid bullshit! You liberals love to pretend to be idiots!

Oh, the labels are already being attached! Я In general, it will be up to your knees. This is the phenomenon I noticed. All your efforts to push various ideologies into people’s heads are falling on deaf ears. And I also know how famously they destroy those who do not agree with your “cockroaches in the head” (the general line of the authorities). People want to live well and happily today, and the less ideology there is in life, the better life will be.

[man]

Quote: fif21

Quote: mann

It’s good for me to drive liberoid bullshit! You liberals love to pretend to be idiots!

Oh, the labels are already being attached! Я In general, it will be up to your knees. This is the phenomenon I noticed. All your efforts to push various ideologies into people’s heads are falling on deaf ears. And I also know how famously they destroy those who do not agree with your “cockroaches in the head” (the general line of the authorities). People want to live well and happily today, and the less ideology there is in life, the better life will be.

Oh, and a cunning liberal I posted a bunch of crap, but didn’t answer the main thing, even the one specifically highlighted.
It looks like you are one of the propagandists. Is demagoguery your profession?

[fif21]

Quote: mann

. Is demagoguery your profession?

Wrong guess again! My profession is to cleanse the Motherland.

[man]

Quote: fif21

Quote: mann

. Is demagoguery your profession?

Wrong guess again! My profession is to cleanse the Motherland.

Ahhh, are you a janitor?

[fif21]

Quote: mann

Ahhh, are you a janitor?

A janitor is a landscape designer! Can I really change my profession? Working outdoors......

[man]

Quote: fif21

Quote: mann

Ahhh, are you a janitor?

A janitor is a landscape designer! Can I really change my profession? Working outdoors......

And people benefit By the way, I speak with knowledge of the matter. Worked part-time as a graduate student

[UAZ 452]

The scale of the phenomenon was not much different, only the encryption was better. The year 1991, in fact, happened largely due to the fact that the nomenklatura, which had already begun to turn into a new bourgeoisie, got tired of being encrypted and pretending that they owed the cattle something. And now we see the next stage - when the last fig leaves are shed, and no one is even trying to pretend that there are any laws, much less mandatory for everyone. If in the 80s (and in the 70s) there was hidden capitalism, in the 90s - wild, then - capitalism for “their own”, bureaucratic, but now bestial capitalism is rapidly emerging, in comparison with which the 90s will seem like games in the sandbox.

[DenVB]

Quote: UAZ 452

The year 1991, in fact, happened largely due to the fact that the nomenklatura, which had already begun to turn into a new bourgeoisie, got tired of being encrypted

This is an old myth, heavily exploited by anti-Soviet people. Why are you repeating it?

[UAZ 452]

That is, the oligarchs of the 90s came to us from abroad? Or did they work as janitors in the late USSR? No, they came out of the 2-3 echelon nomenklatura, from the heads of labs, directors of trusts, and Komsomol members. And someone directly from the Central Committee of the CPSU, including the Politburo - much more nomenklatura? The first echelon were too old, they had lost their grip, so they were pushed into oblivion. And then - the same Gorby didn’t have a bad job, did he? And Shevardnadze? Aliyev?
So what is the myth that you saw? If anti-Soviet people like these facts so much, then they do not cease to be facts.

[DenVB]

Quote: UAZ 452

No, they came out of the 2-3 echelon nomenklatura, from the heads of labs, directors of trusts, and Komsomol members.

Are Komsomol members a nomenklatura?

Quote: UAZ 452

And someone directly from the Central Committee of the CPSU, including the Politburo - much more nomenklatura?

A list of members of the Politburo and simply members of the CPSU Central Committee of Gorbachev's time is not difficult to find. How many of them became oligarchs?

Quote: UAZ 452

So what myth did you spot?

Most of the Soviet party nomenklatura did not become any bourgeois. And, if you look from the other side, most of the bourgeoisie did not come from the nomenklatura at all.

[UAZ 452]

The nomenclature in this case is not used in a narrow sense, but as a definition of those who in the late USSR were part of the management verticals, and by no means at the level of foreman of unskilled workers. And the secretary of the district committee, city committee, regional committee of the Komsomol (which I generally call Komsomol members) fully correspond to this definition. Or are you one of those who like to find fault with terms? Well, some people love to check their opponents' spelling.
But in reality, even fewer people came from the lower classes, or even more so from the dissidents of the Soviet era, to become the “new Russians” than from the Central Committee. So it was not a classic revolution (or counter-revolution), or even a full-fledged coup. No “who was nobody will become everything.” As if the personality of the first president of the Russian Federation hints...

[DenVB]

Quote: UAZ 452

Or are you one of those who like to find fault with terms?

An interesting polemical device. Let's try to apply it to you. Or are you one of those who like to use words without understanding what they mean?

Quote: UAZ 452

But in reality, even fewer people came from the lower classes, or even more so from the dissidents of the Soviet era, to become the “new Russians” than from the Central Committee.

It depends on who you mean by “dissidents”. According to my observations, at the grassroots, provincial level, the majority of the “new Russians” grew up from ordinary petty crooks, who were not visible at all in Soviet times. A lot of them are sales workers.

I knew families, for example, of regional committee instructors; in the nineties they were not poor, but they were far from being the “new Russians”

[UAZ 452]

Trade workers, at least from the top level. were completely built into the “verticals” of the times of the USSR, like the directors of large factories. The term was quite official: party economic asset. Manufacturers were officially rated higher than traders, but in reality... But not many grew up from very petty crooks, and they did not rise high. Those who were lucky stayed in the 90s. In cemeteries.
Rather, it is also worth remembering the owners of shoulder straps, and less often - army ones. But these fighters of the invisible front are just the nomenclature of the nomenclatures.

[DenVB]

Quote: UAZ 452

But not many grew up from very small crooks, and they did not rise very high. Those who were lucky stayed in the 90s. In cemeteries.

Natural selection has occurred. Some remained in cemeteries, while others still live happily ever after. Owns factories and ships.

[man]

Quote: DenVB

Quote: UAZ 452

The year 1991, in fact, happened largely due to the fact that the nomenklatura, which had already begun to turn into a new bourgeoisie, got tired of being encrypted

This is an old myth, heavily exploited by anti-Soviet people. Why are you repeating it?

Pleasantly surprised. Well, it turns out there is something human in you
I was never a party member and was a bad Komsomol member.

[DenVB]

Quote: mann

I was never a party member and was a bad Komsomol member.

There is something to be proud of.

[man]

Quote: DenVB

Quote: mann

I was never a party member and was a bad Komsomol member.

There is something to be proud of.

If I were proud, I wouldn't put a sad smiley face

[man]

The scale of the phenomenon was not much different, only the encryption was better.
Compared to the pre-Gorbachev USSR very much!

[UAZ 452]

We will both remain unconvinced - then the “rulers of life” were forced to hide, there really were no external, flashy manifestations of wealth. But the border between the worlds of the mob and the patricians was already taking shape, although it was not yet as reinforced concrete as in subsequent decades. The scale was really different, I agree, but all the phenomena that the 90s became famous for came from there - from the last decade (maybe even a little more) of the USSR. And the year 91, in my opinion, was inevitable and programmed already in 81.

[Alexander Kuksin]

The point here is different... In the USSR there was a clearly established hierarchy of theft. As an example. The chairman of the district party committee could not afford what the regional party committee should, and the regional committee could not afford what the ministry. That is, a district committee member could not ride the Volga, and a regional committee member could not ride a ZiMe. Otherwise, Party Control would come immediately. And so in all areas.
As soon as the USSR collapsed, everything went to pieces. The lower echelons began to steal more than the higher echelons. And then the young wolves from the Central Committee of the Komsomol rushed to plunder the country so that the old people's mouths agape.

[paul3390]

I am so old that I still remember the times when no one wanted to believe in the ideas of the classics of Marxism-Leninism! (C)

[paul3390]

Thrasybulus went with the herald who had arrived from Periander outside the city and brought him to the field. Walking across the field with him, Thrasybulus asked again and again about the reason for his arrival from Corinth. At the same time, the tyrant, seeing the ears of corn towering above the others, kept tearing them off. Picking off the ears of corn, he threw them away until he had thus destroyed the most beautiful and dense part of the field. So, having led the herald across the field and without giving any answer, the tyrant released him. Upon the herald’s return to Corinth, Periander was curious to know Thrasybulus’ answer. And the herald announced that he had not brought any answer and was surprised how Periander could send him for advice to such a crazy man who was devastating his own land. Then he told what he had seen at Thrasybulus. Periander understood Thrasybulus’s action, realizing that he was advising him to kill prominent citizens.

[Shtrek]

paul3390

A reasonable question arises - who is the character who often and voluptuously quotes an unambiguous fascist? And - what will happen next? Will they start quoting Goebbels for our edification?

...So they’ve been quoting for a long time...
The famous expression of Joseph Goebbels: “.. The more monstrous the lie, the more willingly people believe in it...” was used several times by V.V. Putin in his speech....
So......they are already quoting.....

[dmi.pris1]

Ah! So the reaction has arrived.. Duma Speaker Volodin urged not to politicize the situation around the Russian State University for the Humanities. Curtain

[UAZ 452]

Well, the curtain came when one politician publicly pitied Hitler, who was provoked by the vile Poles. In comparison with this, the monument to General Krasnov and the Ilyin school are already flowers that do not deserve attention. Here are the avenues named after Bandera and Shukhevych - for this we will come to denazify everyone! Can Nazism and fascism really exist in Russia? Never! We swear by the name and memory of Krasnov and Ilyin!

[Akuzenka]

So after liberalism fascism ALWAYS comes. The history of the 20-30s of the 20th century is replete with these examples. Apparently the “craze” has reached the Russian Federation.

[paul3390]

Where dullness triumphs, black always comes to power. (C)

[UAZ 452]

If so, then we are safe - we have never had libarism even close. Or do you think that if Vladimir Volfovich called his party liberal-democratic, then he is the main liberal? Rather, you should believe what is written on the fences; the source will be more reliable.
If anything, the principles of liberalism are the separation of branches of government, equality of all before the law, free and fair elections, accountability of authorities to voters, protection of private property (not to be confused with the right to seize it by those close to the body). Which of these took place in the modern history of the Russian Federation?

[Akuzenka]

The chief liberal is our guarantor. He admitted this from the screen of the zombie box. This is what I started from. And as soon as he started quoting Ilyin, this axiom immediately came to mind.

[UAZ 452]

If there is someone further from the ideas of liberalism than the current President, then I don’t even know who to call him. Rather, he is the complete opposite of liberal ideas and principles. They are now not only denied in the country, but have turned out to be perverted to their complete opposite.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: UAZ 452

If there is someone further from the ideas of liberalism than the current President, then I don’t even know who to call him. Rather, he is the complete opposite of liberal ideas and principles.

Yes, our president is the Chief Liberal! In the classical meaning of this term, and not what they mean now...

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: paul3390

A reasonable question arises - who is the character who often and voluptuously quotes an unambiguous fascist? And - what will happen next? Will they start quoting Goebbels for our edification?

And I have another reasonable question - those who are called the fifth column, all these foreign agents, and even talking heads in Ukraine itself, periodically call Russia a fascist state, and the government a fascist regime, obviously without justifying anything other than “an attack on a neighboring country” . And here is such a push on our part!!! Here it is! A man who called himself a Russian fascist and justified Hitler even much after the War, in the Russian Federation “rises to the banner”...
And on the other side there is silence... Why? World fascist international?
I don’t mention Mussolini, because he was even praised on our Central Television. Our leading propagandists...

[Andrey the Magnificent]

Totally agree!
I propose to name RRSU in honor of Prigozhin!
Hero of Russia!
I think the majority will support

[odometer]

I heard about one who likes to quote the above-mentioned gentleman... Although, maybe he is being deceived again

[ammunition]

Quote: curvimeter

I heard about one who likes to quote the above-mentioned gentleman

Partially (from the original source), you can read it here -
https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9E_%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5_(%D0%98%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B8%D0%BD)/%D0%94%D0%9E
*****
And quoting Ilyin, gentlemen, is natural in its essence. Ilyin’s “philosophy” is a kind of Marxism for the rich and oligarchs. That is, Marxism is for the poor and disadvantaged, and Ilyin (for lack of a larger figure) .. for large owners. .. imho.

[man]

And quoting Ilyin, gentlemen, is natural in its essence. Ilyin’s “philosophy” is a kind of Marxism for the rich and oligarchs. That is, Marxism is for the poor and disadvantaged, and Ilyin (for lack of a larger figure) .. for large owners. .. imho.
The philosophy of the oligarchs is money, money and more money and they don’t care how they get it

[ammunition]

Quote: mann

The philosophy of the oligarchs is money,

Money requires philosophy in order to have all power over the mob... so that it (money) is not taken away. And to make them easy to obtain.

[fif21]

Quote: ammunition

Money requires philosophy in order to have all power over the mob... so that it (money) is not taken away.

Previously, the Russian Orthodox Church did this, calling for humility and submission to power. This doesn’t work now, so they are looking (I can’t think of anything new myself) to get into people’s heads.

[bug120560]

The main mistake is that the philosophy of the oligarchs is money. For a long time now their philosophy has been POWER, and money is only a tool.

[UAZ 452]

Well, smart people already understand that power itself brings money, but money without power quickly changes its owners (in favor of the owners of this very power). In a rule-of-law state, it’s basically the same thing, only laws to some extent regulate the rules of competition and limit collateral damage, but we have one rule - the law of the jungle.

[Doccor18]

odometer
I heard about one amateur...

Here, one beloved philosopher was appointed by the highest permission to the post of director of an institute named after another beloved philosopher... This is not as simple as it seems at first glance, and it seems to me that those students did not grasp the course of the flow at all, and this can be very detrimental will affect their further movement up the stairs...

[UAZ 452]

What you write is just on the surface, and the initiators of the petition, I think, take this into account. Probably, it seemed to some of these initiators (whether he was mistaken or not - time will tell) that one of those periods in history was approaching when, as in the Bible: “and the last will become first.” There was already a period when the fact of being at least in political exile in the previous historical period became very useful for one’s career. Will the bet win? It will be seen in the coming years.

[Doccor18]

Do you think this is a game for the sake of hype or a deeply thought-out action for the sake of a future career? Well, nothing can be ruled out, but the topic itself is very important, and no matter how you spin it, everyone who thinks, even if only in their heads, will have to decide how they feel about this when a scientific department of a domestic educational institution is called by the name a man who once worked quite legally for the enemy of our country, who sacrificed millions of lives on the altar of victory....

[UAZ 452]

Do you think this is a game for the sake of hype or a deeply thought-out action for the sake of a future career?

Well, a person is a complex and contradictory creature, so the dictates of the heart and thoughts about a future career can, after all, completely coexist within the same head. But I wouldn't do that. I just think that the risks of this performance are most likely clear to its organizers, although they may be underestimated.

[R_S_F_S_R_]

Oh, and you will become a foreign agent, with such hints about this amateur.

[odometer]

Hmmm... It’s fraught... They can squeeze out Khalabuda... But for this we need to stir up another operation... Collect, so to speak, in our native harbor

[north 2]

So this Higher Political School named after Ilyin is headed by Dugin, who is increasingly called the political brain of the Kremlin, and the Kremlin is headed by the sovereign, who quotes Ilyin more and more often...
Yes, any neo-Nazis against whom Russian soldiers are now fighting in the Northern Military District can reproach Russia that Russia itself is not “holy” now, since they “worship” Ilyin, who idolized German National Socialism.
This is truly a paradox. Either Ilyin, then Kolchak, then Mannerheim, then Wrangel, then the Cossack atamans who served the Germans, is it really necessary to erect monuments to them in Russia, nail memorial plaques, name political schools after them, and bring their bones to Russia. Were there really no more worthy people? And yes, by the way, there is also a whole “Yeltsin Center”! Well then everything is going according to plan. We, not students, will not wait for other names that are worthy!

[Andrey Moskvin]

In a country where everything rests and works on the achievements and work of communists, thanks to which we even live, and a school named after an ardent anti-communist?!

[dmi.pris1]

In our own house we should figure out how to throw thousands of Russian guys into the furnace of war...

[Ryazan87]

Were there really no more worthy people?

Curious who you mean. Who should erect a monument now?

[ivan2022]

Students will, of course, be expelled, kicked and kicked out, but will this lead to the emergence in Russia of a layer of true, pro-Russian intelligentsia? Or have the possessed Prokhanovs and Dugins already trampled on everything?

[parusnik]

And you will support the students. I supported them. I signed the petition.

[thinker]

+ However, there are already 21 signatures

[pavel.tipin]

The line between Nazism and nationalism is as blurred as between erotica and pornography. Still, there is a huge gulf between the reasoning philosopher and the active Nazi. Nazism and fascism are an action, and it is interpreted unambiguously. After all, no one blames Marx for repression as much as Stalin.

[Non-fighter]

Still, there is a huge gulf between the reasoning philosopher and the active Nazi.

Some have clean hands, some have a clear conscience. Division of labor, but the essence is the same.

[tatra]

Ilyin is a classic example of the enemies of the Bolshevik communists, in order to be against those, all these 106 years of the Soviet and their anti-Soviet periods were and are for everyone who was against the Bolshevik communists, including, for the interventionists, Hitler, the Nazis, and they don’t care what they were or what they did.
But for their country and people, all these 106 years they have had no one and nothing good, and no.
And all this is an excellent gift for the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR, and they have already clung to it. Like, they call us fascists, but they themselves...

[UAZ 452]

And all this is an excellent gift for the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR, and they have already clung to it. Like, they call us fascists, but they themselves...

And it is very difficult to explain to both our own and to strangers - why monuments to Bandera and Shukhevych, avenues named after them in a foreign country became a reason for denazification with the help of missiles, aviation and artillery, while monuments to Krasnov and schools named after Ilyin in our own are a completely acceptable phenomenon. The only argument that I see as a response from our propagandists is: “Because, and whoever disagrees is an article about discrediting!”

[Vladimir80]

Quote: north 2

So this Higher Political School named after Ilyin is headed by Dugin, who is increasingly called the political brain of the Kremlin, and the Kremlin is headed by the sovereign, who quotes Ilyin more and more often...

Dugin seems to be a smart person, but he fell for a cheap provocation... Now his “Eurasianism” will go down the drain...

[Doccor18]

Vladimir80
but I fell for it...

Read “Fascism Boundless and Red”; you can understand a lot about Dugin from his own words.

[Monster_Fat]

Why is Dugin a smart person? Have you even read his “works” or listened to his interviews? For you, is someone smart who has enrolled billions of people in the “devil’s seed” and preaches the construction of a caste state?

[Vladimir80]

Dugin is such a smart person

I haven’t read it, but at least he knows a lot of smart words that I don’t know

[Monster_Fat]

he knows a lot of smart words that I don't know...

"Kaliki walking" - no?

[ivan2022]

Dugin's "Eurasianism" will not go down the drain. And Dugin did not “fall for anything”, just like the favorite of the “patriots” Prokhanov and the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill. This is the state ideological guard. And strong “bonded” financing.

[Akuzenka]

This is the state ideological guard. And strong “bonded” financing.

By the way, yes. Reminds me of the formation of a new state ideology. And very stupid. In a multinational country overrun with migrants, start promoting fascist ideology. What kind of “giant of thought” does one have to be? If all this happens, then the Russian Federation will simply tear itself apart from the inside. Like 1991. There, too, everything started from the top. And this is in SVO. Generally an explosive mixture. In general, a paragraph with a capital letter "F".

[UAZ 452]

Well, nothing new - in the last years of the existence of the Republic of Ingushetia, they also tried to “channel” protest sentiments into the national question, an external enemy, drowned them for “traditional values”, the bonds that then were autocracy and Orthodoxy. Actually, the formation of Ilyin’s personality and worldview occurred precisely at that period of history, so it is not surprising that his ideas were in demand in today’s realities. They will only lead again to 1917, and with even less chance of reviving the country.

[Akuzenka]

They will only lead again to 1917, and with even less chance of reviving the country.

Why?! Do you see at least one real political force that can offer an ideology to raise the country that will suit the majority of the population?! And I don't see. This is monitored very carefully so that such a force does not arise. But about 1917, there in February, the country at war was betrayed by the very top. Do you think the same thing will happen this time?

[Vladimir80]

Quote: ivan2022

will this lead to the emergence in Russia of layers of true, pro-Russian intelligentsia

No, of course not, these are mutually exclusive concepts!!!

[ivan2022]

What are "mutually exclusive"?
The fact that students are simultaneously against Ilyin’s fascism and for the interests of Russia? Are you a fascist or what?

[steelmaker]

“The fact that Ivan Ilyin is Vladimir Putin’s favorite philosopher has long been known. He repeatedly quoted him during his most important events, including addresses to the Federal Assembly, and once, in 2021, answering a question about one of the thinkers close to him, directly said that Ilyin’s book is still “on his shelf”, and from time to time he takes it down and re-reads the philosopher’s works. It was on the initiative of the president that Ilyin’s ashes were transported from Switzerland to Moscow, in the Donskoy Monastery. It was Ivan Ilyin that Vladimir Putin mentioned during the signing of agreements on the admission of the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to Russia "https://ural.tsargrad.tv/news/ataka-na-putina-v-tylu-. rossii-kto-i-pochemu-dopustil-travlju-ljubimogo-filosofa-prezidenta
I personally believe the author of the article and the students. Because everyone knows who the enemy is for the people of Russia; for Putin, these are partners who must not be destroyed, but negotiated.

[parusnik]

It is impossible to call Ilyin an ardent fascist.

This is how it began in Ukraine, in the Baltics, Moldova, Armenia, in the North Caucasus republics of Russia, this one is not a fascist, this one... They just fought communism, and communism is worse than fascism. That’s how they turned it upside down. In capitalism, fascism is like an armored train , always stands on a siding, but in Russia, it’s already blowing up steam. The monument to Ilyin is already standing, you know who’s laying flowers

[Andrey Moskvin]

This is how they turned it over.

This is from the series - “They aimed for communism, but ended up in Russia.” Excuses of those who have changed their shoes.

[parusnik]

To name one almost non-fascist who is alive, in his words, at one time, with his comrades, he hammered nails into the coffin of communism, apparently Hitler gave the nails to him and his comrades, then he was in honor of three presidents and, as a result, he plundered the state corporation and dumped abroad, but the hammerer of nails into the coffin of communism was not declared a foreign agent. They do not abandon their own people.

[Andrey Moskvin]

Regarding the above, nothing but a sacramental phrase comes to mind.
-He knew too much-

[steelmaker]

"You know who lays flowers..."
There is a saying: “Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are.” So I, surrounded by Putin, did not find a single one worthy, either in views or in deeds. But Putin is in authority. Why?

[parusnik]

But Putin is in authority. Why?

Who?

[UAZ 452]

In the elections, he actually received a majority of votes, although by no means 87%, of course. Even the opposition admitted this. Even if we take into account the fact that the “clearing” was thoroughly cleared, and no real competitors were on the ballot, voters could have ticked more than one box. But they put his last name next to it... So in answer to your question - yes, in authority, among the electorate of the Russian Federation.

[Sergei Timofeich]

Lovers of capitalism and the exploitation of man by man will be friends with Satan himself, as long as the common man owns a minimum of good things on this planet.

[man]

Quote: Sergei Timofeich

Lovers of capitalism and the exploitation of man by man will be friends with Satan himself, as long as the common man owns a minimum of good things on this planet.

It turns out that ideally for them a slave system...

[UAZ 452]

Absolutely wrong judgment! The owner must feed the slave, train him, provide shelter, and raise their children - future slaves. Under state-oligarchic capitalism, the labor force is only exploited, without any real obligations towards it.

[man]

Quote: UAZ 452

Absolutely wrong judgment! The owner must feed the slave, train him, provide shelter, and raise their children - future slaves. Under state-oligarchic capitalism, the labor force is only exploited, without any real obligations towards it.

In your opinion, it turns out that serfdom should be returned and everyone will be satisfied and happy

[UAZ 452]

I won't be happy for sure. But I just have the impression that this is where it’s heading. And yet, yes - in the conditions of a primitive, predominantly agricultural economy, serfdom is very convenient for the “elite”. On the one hand, there is no need to lure and retain workers using economic methods, because there are directive-compulsory ones that do not allow them to independently choose their place of work and residence; on the other hand, there is a minimum of obligations towards them, even in comparison with slavery. Problems begin as production chains become more complex, requiring a more skilled, mobile workforce. But this problem is successfully solved by primitivization of the country’s way of life and economy.

[man]

I won't be happy for sure
I'm happy for you and me. Seriously.
But I just have the impression that this is where it’s heading.
Me too. As I have repeatedly reported in comments on VO. It’s true with emoticons, it’s so wild for me.

[UAZ 452]

Just so that we don’t soon have to change the laughing emoticons to sad ones in discussions about this.

[man]

Quote: UAZ 452

Just so that we don’t soon have to change the laughing emoticons to sad ones in discussions about this.

Have to. But I hope I don't live long enough.

[UAZ 452]

HZ. Everything is changing very quickly. And the direction of these changes... is really scary. The issue discussed in the top fits well into the outline of these changes.

[Boris55]

All power to the sovereigns!

The case of Ivan Ilyin: what students of the Russian State University for the Humanities are protesting against

Well done boys! I support!!! So this white bastard who hoisted the tricolor over our country...

Or does anyone dream that in Russia there would once again be 85% of farmers with three parochial classes? After all, it was for this that the white bastard fought in the advanced units of the Entente, destroying our state. Ilyin is their leader, their ideological idol.

[dmi.pris1]

“Borists are wrong#”...Whose idol is Ilyin? Isn’t it your beloved GDP?

[Doccor18]

I'm twisting and turning, I want to confuse...

[parusnik]

Boris doesn’t have time to change his shoes. Before the elections: Putin, my president in the avatar, after the elections All power to the Soviets

[Doccor18]

doesn't have time to change shoes.

You need to feel sorry for a person who is all about business, always on the alert, always at the forefront...

[parusnik]

Maybe he should get treatment? I slightly paraphrased a phrase from the story of the Yeralash magazine..

[Boris55]

All power to the Soviets!

Quote: parusnik

Putin, my president in my avatar, after the elections All power to the Soviets

I don't see any contradiction. The slogan: “All power to the councils of people’s deputies” is the slogan of the Bolsheviks. Putin is a Bolshevik. He works in the interests of the majority and the majority supports him. The recent elections (confidence referendum) clearly demonstrated this. Ilyin's supporters are in the region of statistical error.

The people are not with you, the people are against you!

Ilyin’s remains were transported from Switzerland to Russia

Whose flag is over Russia? Here's your answer.

[UAZ 452]

Ilyin's supporters are in the region of statistical error.

And doesn’t it bother you that this “statistical error” includes the President of Russia (in his own words)? Putin, it turns out, is both a Bolshevik and an admirer of Ilyin at the same time? How does all this fit together in your head? Are the two hemispheres arguing with each other? And which one wins today?

[AdAstra]

Not “Sovets”, but “soverams”.

[parusnik]

the white bastard fought in the advanced units of the Entente

Evil tongues claim that the monument to Ilyin was erected at the personal expense of the president and, on his initiative, Ilyin’s remains were transported from Switzerland to Russia, he was then also... white... how would you like to put it?

[Vladimir80]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

In a country where everything rests and works on the achievements and work of communists, thanks to which we generally live

Did the communists also make air and water for us? As one ascetic monk said, “Thanks to Lenin, he gave us electricity.”

[Aviator_]

Did the communists also make air and water for us?

Do you really need anything else for life?

[Reptiloid]

Greetings Sergey Such questions are always surprising. As if the history of the USSR and the construction of all objects is unknown? Was everything built under the kings? Especially about the housing program After all, not everyone had their own estates and estates --- sarcasm.
My answer is also below

[parusnik]

Did the communists also make air and water for us?

I found a time when you could drink water from a tap, which was available in almost all county towns and many regional centers, for free. That is. for nothing. Now, drinking water costs money. The water was privatized. And you could catch fish in the river for free, but now the banks of the river where I live are being privatized, there are no more fish

[Aviator_]

I found a time when you could drink water from a tap, which was available in almost all district towns and many regional centers, for free.

I also found this time. We had a siphon for sparkling water, which my father filled with water from the Forstadt pump, almost opposite the gates of the Flight School. And once, sent to fetch water for the siphon, I saw Yuri Alekseevich leaving his native school in a cream-colored Volga. This was the year 1964-65.

[parusnik]

We lived next to a fish canning factory, you see, back then there was fish in the sea and fish farms, we worked on our own products, on local ones, we kids ran there to drink sparkling water, without syrup, of course, just like that. And in the fall, there was a small apple orchard there , as a resting place for workers, Antonovka was torn up, no one drove it. When I went to school, my friend and I were returning home past the winery, we could take grapes, the workers who accepted him always invited him; take the grapes, we didn’t refuse, we took two bottles. And Now this winery is gone, there is no fish cannery, the fish and dolphins have gone to a distant cordon. Life was very bad then, not like now. Bourgeois, now you can hang yourself for a penny. The dams that mice ate are an example of this. Crocus City is a tragedy, and floods according to the above cause, natural disaster, nature is to blame. This is not a tragedy, harsh everyday life.

[Gardamir]

But the bourgeoisie privatized springs, waterfalls, mountains. How is it that they did not create it, but it belongs to them.

[Prisoner]

And what are the students wrong about? German fascism, Italian fascism, Israeli fascism, Banderaism and Ilyinsky fascism are not varieties of the same manure?

[Doccor18]

Prisoner
Isn't it the same type of manure?

Some philosophers write vehemently and say that not one...

[dmi.pris1]

I agree completely. Only you haven’t fully built the logical chain... Well, good, we need to be more careful. Otherwise we’ll make noise...

[parusnik]

Ilyinsky fascism

No...that's different. Our bones and bones, spiritually strong. We’ve been whining for so many years that Russia needs ideology, here’s Ilyin’s fascism, get it and sign it

[dmi.pris1]

I keep thinking, why are there only enemies around us? Well, a couple of allies are Belarusians and North Koreans. There are pragmatic fellow travelers, China and Iran. Isn’t it because everyone around them sees all the ins and outs of this state Ilinism?

[parusnik]

Belarusians and North Koreans don’t see Ilinism, the rest do? Look for the answer in V.I. Lenin’s work “Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism”, everything is sorted out there. This work was written more than a hundred years ago, and is relevant today as never before.

[UAZ 452]

“Russia is not a trading or agricultural state, but a military one, and its calling is to be a thunderstorm of light.”
Statement of the Sovereign Emperor Alexander II

Some irresponsible neighbors believe that this paradigm is characteristic of the Russian state, regardless of its name in a given specific historical period, the social system and the form of ownership of the means of production. And they show some concern about this. They suspect something, ungrateful...

[UAZ 452]

And what are the students wrong about? German fascism, Italian fascism, Israeli fascism, Banderaism and Ilyinsky fascism are not varieties of the same manure?

The fundamental difference is that branding foreign varieties of fascism (especially Ukrainian) is encouraged in every possible way, but if someone behind the monument to Krasnov and the naming of the school named after Ilyin sees signs of fascism in a certain country where all this is happening, you can get acquainted with the Criminal Code. There are now a lot of interesting articles there, for all occasions. And if there is no case for it, Ilyin’s fans will correct it and quickly write it.

[Mazunga]

what kind of versatile students we have))) some are going to set up a russ cutter like a future dentist from St. Petersburg, others are still zigging in the classrooms, everything is simple, in fact, the authorities benefit from the national movement, so there is no time left for the class struggle if Akhmad grabs Ivan’s throat and he has a dagger sticking out from Opanas, no one will notice the mutok of Abner the moneylender

[man]

Quote from Mazunga

what kind of versatile students we have))) some are going to set up a russ cutter like a future dentist from St. Petersburg, others are still zigging in the classrooms, everything is simple, in fact, the authorities benefit from the national movement, so there is no time left for the class struggle if Akhmad grabs Ivan’s throat and he has a dagger sticking out from Opanas, no one will notice the mutok of Abner the moneylender

Sasha, is that really you?

[Mazunga]

not his deputy))) own Moshe Suleimanovich Chingachgook

[man]

Quote from Mazunga

not his deputy))) own Moshe Suleimanovich Chingachgook

Nevertheless, I am glad for such a deputy

[Mazunga]

but I’m also glad)))) after all, shalom comrade

[man]

Quote from Mazunga

but I’m also glad)))) after all, shalom comrade

Mouth front!

[Mazunga]

that front would be good for us))) although red food is also good))

[Alexander Kuksin]

Strange comments... Marxism-Leninism can just as easily be classified as a misanthropic philosophy. For example, Hitler himself admitted: *I learned a lot from the Marxists. And I admit it without hesitation. But I didn’t study their boring social studies, historical materialism and all that *ultimate utility* I studied their methods.
Thus, Hitler simply took Leninism to its logical conclusion. He threw away *ideological supports*, swept away the phraseological husks in which the Bolsheviks themselves were constantly confused, and left only the main thing - the struggle for power. And he declared, “My socialism is not Marxism.” My socialism is not class struggle, but Order... Or *Why socialize banks and factories? We socialize people.*
So if you carefully read the primary sources of the classics of Marxist-Leninist philosophy, we will notice more similarities with Nazi philosophy than their differences.
Personally, I believe that Putin and Dugin deeply studied Ilyin’s legacy, in contrast to the superficial view of the immatures of this university.

[dmi.pris1]

Judging by what is going on, they have really studied it deeply and are putting it into practice.

[Owl]

Not “Marxism-Leninism”, but the works of Marx and Engels, who clearly defined the paths for the development of productive forces and production relations, thanks to which they achieved economic growth and support for the population of Germany.

[Dozorny severa]

By the way, yes! First of all, after coming to power, the Nazis banned the export of any types of resources from the country, and a ban on the import of luxury goods. This immediately affected the financial situation of the working masses and industry as a whole.
Yes, in fact, this is not some kind of know-how of Marxists - all industrialized countries went through the process of restricting access of foreign goods to their own market.

[Alexander Kuksin]

And therefore, as Hermann Goering argued, the best SA attack aircraft were made from former communists.
It would be very useful to conduct a comparative analysis of the economic development of the USSR and Germany after the Nazis came to power. Especially when it comes to the lives of ordinary working people.

[Dozorny severa]

Oh, how! We are already quoting Hermann Goering. Well, everything is clear with you.

[DenVB]

Quote: Alexander Kuksin

My socialism is not Marxism.

Actually, how did National Socialism differ from International Socialism? Rejection of internationalism, as is easy to see.

Quote: Alexander Kuksin

Personally, I believe that Putin and Dugin have deeply studied Ilyin’s legacy

At the same time, Putin is an ardent internationalist. He apparently studied Ilyin’s legacy in the same way as he once studied scientific communism: we read here, we wrap fish here.

[Alexander Kuksin]

Personally, my opinion regarding Putin is the bacillus of democracy and liberalism sitting in him. Enter History with the halo of the righteous. Meanwhile, democracy as a goal is a crime against the people.
To run a state you must have a certain amount of cynicism where the interests of Russia must prevail over everything else, no matter what the cost. You cannot be a white sheep among wolves. I personally don’t care much that Jews are fighting with Palestinians somewhere. I want the leaders of the country to make such a thing as Ukraine disappear once and for all! The Baltic farmsteads disappeared, and the cities received their old, original Russian names. I want the Russian Empire to be revived again! And so that every citizen of this Empire can be sure that whoever turns a curve in his direction will have the full might of our Power fall upon him! And this is what I want from Putin. Because I don’t see any alternative to it yet.

[UAZ 452]

So why are you still not on the front line with such desires? Is it really 65 already? Or should your wishes be realized exclusively by others, and everything should be brought to your house?

[Alexander Kuksin]

78 years old with two stents near the heart. Otherwise I would have been there a long time ago. My youth passed in Slavyansk.

[UAZ 452]

Well, it’s time to think about your soul, and not send your grandchildren (if you have them) to mobilization for the sake of “Kievnash”. Otherwise, it turns out that our most turbo-patriots are precisely those who are not subject to mobilization, but are always ready to wave a handkerchief after those leaving for war, shedding a stingy male tear.
However, you can always help collect Russian lands by freeing the state from the need to pay you a pension. The money saved from 5-7 patriotic pensioners is just enough to pay one contract worker. But our pensioners want both a pension (preferably with raises) and an empire, definitely with Kiev! But it doesn’t work out that way!

[Alexander Kuksin]

It’s not for you to judge pensioners... I didn’t earn my lieutenant colonel’s shoulder straps in offices! And your carnival titles are not here. And the soul is in my children! Both son and daughter-in-law are already captains.

[UAZ 452]

Why not me? The same pensioner. Even in the same rank as you quit. Only I am absolutely not ready to throw my sons into the furnace of the revival of a mythical empire, but you, apparently, are ready for your son and daughter-in-law.

[Alexander Kuksin]

I don’t decide how they should build their lives. It’s enough for me to be sure that I raised my son and officer correctly.
And to close the topic, today Dugin spoke on Sunday Vesti and explained what and how this article is about.

[Commissar Kitten]

Quote: Alexander Kuksin

Thus, Hitler simply took Leninism to its logical conclusion. He threw away *ideological supports*, swept away the phraseological husk

And freed me from the chimera of conscience.

[Evgeny Popov_3]

I never understood why we name educational institutions after someone? Is it just that RSUH is no longer the same? It comes to the point that all secondary schools are named after some figures. For what ? To rename when changing the political vector?

[man]

Quote: Evgeny Popov_3

I never understood why we name educational institutions after someone? Is it just that RSUH is no longer the same? It comes to the point that all secondary schools are named after some figures. For what ? To rename when changing the political vector?

To cut the budget when changing signs

[Gardamir]

For example, the airport in Murmansk was called Murmashi because it was located in this village. Now this is the airport named after Nikolai 2

[man]

I did not expect such an article from Fedorov. Thank you!

[Owl]

“It’s all about the figure of Ivan Ilyin” - he is simply one of the declared (maybe due to the stupidity of the writer of the speech) idols of the “guarantor”...

[BAI]

The bigwigs of higher education are, as always, at their best. Everywhere and always they spread anti-Russian policies

[dmi.pris1]

What does the bigwigs from the tower have to do with it? They do not exist on their own, not in a vacuum, but exist in the state. And they carry out state policy in the education environment

[Viktor Sergeev]

One thing I’m wondering is, what do graduates of this university do? Who needs philosophers? Probably for abstract art exhibitions, because graduates can professionally talk about the depth of philosophical meaning in a squiggle against a triangle background.

[Vladimir80]

what do graduates of this university do?

This is what pops up in the first lines when searching on the Internet:
"Russian State Humanitarian University (RGGU) is an educational institution where many famous cultural and public figures of different years have studied. Among them are such famous personalities as Maxim Galkin, Andrei Malakhov, Zhanna Friske, Tina Kandelaki, Manizha, Vlad Topalov, as well as TV presenters Dmitry Borisov, Sergey Tugushev and many others."

[DenVB]

Quote: Vladimir80

Among them are such famous personalities as Maxim Galkin, Andrei Malakhov, Zhanna Friske, Tina Kandelaki, Manizha, Vlad Topalov

And for some reason it is these people who are so irritated by Ilyin. I'm already starting to wonder if I should take up reading.

[dmi.pris1]

And who needed graduates of the Higher Party School, political officers, etc.? To promote state ideas in the minds of

[old friend]

A strange article, as are the comments under it. For example, I cannot comment on Ilyin’s philosophy in essence, because I haven't read his books. To condemn a person only on the basis that he was against the Bolsheviks and worked in Nazi Germany is, in my opinion, stupid. Does anyone have anything to say about the substance of his work and philosophy? All this is very reminiscent of “I haven’t read it, but I condemn it.”
I'm much more concerned about other matters. For example. about the legitimacy of power? Real legitimacy is not elections and 80% participation of the population, but responsibility this power.
Was anyone from the inner circle of your GDP responsible for the failure at the beginning of the SVO? At a minimum, the head of foreign intelligence should have resigned.
Did anyone from the Ministry of Defense bear responsibility for the crappy planning of the operation?
Was anyone held responsible for the tragedy in Crocus? The chief FSB officer has resigned? No, I haven't heard of that.
Lawlessness in the Black Sea Fleet - when did the authorities start itching? Before the elections? where are the admirals' resignations? Has anyone been demoted or at least retired in disgrace? I'm sure, in the worst case scenario, they were transferred to a new duty station.
And there are plenty of such questions. Instead, we are discussing people who have been gone for a long time, having no idea what and how they actually thought and said. Well done

[Kronos]

Well, I read the primitive desire of a strong hand to keep the people in check and admiration for any dictators like Mussolini and Hitler, that’s his whole philosophy.

[Dmitry Rigov]

There, his statism rather coincided with the current course.
“Ukraine is recognized as the most threatened part of Russia in the sense of separation and conquest,” wrote Ilyin. “Ukrainian separatism is an artificial phenomenon, devoid of real foundations. It arose from the ambition of leaders and international aggressive intrigue. The Little Russians are a branch of a single, Slavic Russian people. This branch has no reasons to quarrel with other branches of the same people and separate into a separate state. Having separated, this state betrays itself to conquest and plunder by foreigners. Little Russia and Great Russia are bound together by faith, tribe, historical destiny, geographical location, economy, culture and politics. Those preparing for dismemberment must remember that they are announcing a century-long struggle for all of Russia. There will be no peace and economic prosperity with such dismemberment.

[dmi.pris1]

Have you not noticed that in this article we are discussing not only Ilna, but also the person at the top, who happily carries out all this. Without emotion, with a mask on his face. Looking at the death of the country’s citizens, the defeat of the Black Sea Fleet, and much more..

[Knell wardenheart]

Any philosophy must have a practical outcome - it should not be a thing closed on itself.
Here's a guy who fought, fought and died, and then the USSR lived for another 37 years. What was the practical benefit of his philosophical and moral search for the country?
How was his struggle useful? Another brood of entities?

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Here's a guy who fought, fought and died

You just described Navalny.
Ilyin - “Navalny of the past” campaign.

[16112014nk]

It is unlikely that students will succeed. If the “senior” himself lays flowers at Ilyin’s tombstone, and Ilyin’s books are on his table.

[Vladimir_D]

Signs of fascism:
1. Absolute or almost absolute, unlimited, permanent power of the leader, leader of the nation.
2. War of conquest to restore “historical justice.”
3. Persecution of dissidents.
4. Imposing conservative values ​​on society.
5. Militarization of the economy and society through significant defense orders, military cults, parades.
6. If we add here racial theory, anti-Semitism and the destruction of people for belonging to a different race, nationality, or religion, then this will already be Nazism.

[Adrey]

Quote: Vladimir_D

Signs of fascism:

All this is "over the counter." You specified methods implementation of ideology (the points you indicated are completely optional ONLY for fascism. Substitute feudalism here and it will also coincide ). The basic provisions of the social system are about something else.

[conil]

Signs of fascism:
1. Absolute or almost absolute, unlimited, permanent power of the leader, leader of the nation.

Joseph Vissarionovich entered the chat.

2. War of conquest to restore “historical justice.”

The Winter War, the Polish campaign, the entry of the Baltic states into the USSR, the annexation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina. It’s an amazing coincidence - all these territories in the recent past were part of the Russian Empire.

3. Persecution of dissidents.

No comments here.

4. Imposing conservative values ​​on society.

The ban on abortion, the dispersal of the “Down with Shame” society, the article of the Criminal Code on “sodomy.”

5. Militarization of the economy and society through significant defense orders, military cults, parades.

There’s not even anything to talk about here, the whole country is a military factory.

6. If we add here racial theory, anti-Semitism and the destruction of people for belonging to a different race, nationality, or religion, then this will already be Nazism.

If we add here class theory, the fight against rootless cosmopolitans and the destruction of people for belonging to the wrong class and for believing in God, then this will already be new communism.

[Dozorny severa]

All this pandemonium with pochvenniks, Eurasians and other scum is just a decoration to hide the colonial status of the Russian Federation. The stupid two-legged cattle enthusiastically rushed to the trough filled with imported goods and silently looked at the destruction of the productive forces in the Russian Federation.
But the Marxists taught that the level of development of society is directly related to the level of development of the productive forces! But what’s the point?
Any thinking being should know that if you don’t produce, it means you don’t consume, and therefore you don’t exist. And to produce goods you need means of production, which is what the communists did, including to the detriment of personal consumption.
A person without the means of production is not a person at all, but an animal.
But it’s so difficult to understand simple things.
Therefore, we need to pray for workers and peasants with engineers, and not for clowns in different robes promising all sorts of nice things after the end of their physical existence.

[DenVB]

Quote: Dozorny severa

Therefore, we must pray for the workers, peasants and engineers

And even this is doubtful. Soviet engineers, for example, by the end of the USSR were almost universally fans of the market and liberal reforms.

[conil]

decoration to hide the colonial status of the Russian Federation. The stupid two-legged cattle enthusiastically rushed to the trough filled with imported goods and silently looked at the destruction of the productive forces in the Russian Federation.

It's funny, you seem to be quoting Ilyin. He is talking about the fact that biomass needs to be removed from governing the country, transferring power into the hands of nationally minded people. This is the only way to get the country out of the colonial state.

[Vladimir80]

Quote: Dozorny severa

A man without the means of production is not a man at all, but an animal.

I wonder whose teaching this is, your personal? T
Those. in a traditional society, a woman who did not work (did not have the means of production), but took care of children, who do you think? And who do you think Pushkin is?

[Alex 1970]

Together with the “braces”, Ilyin and Shmelev pulled something out of the past, Denikin and Kolchak are “saviors of the fatherland,” and then lo and behold, they stir up a referendum and “hail the Orthodox Tsar, we are your slaves.” Damn...

[conil]

"Glory to the Orthodox Tsar, we are your slaves." Damn...

Yes, it’s a pity that it’s not the Secretary General, the commies would line up to kiss his hand.

[klev72]

The topic is slippery. The students' arguments are clear. I just want to remind you that Europe and the rest of the Western world are happy to act according to the fascist patterns, creating and throwing new recruits at us. Their goal is known, Lavrov laid it out in detail, to destroy us. It takes an idea to survive, it takes time for people’s eyes to light up. So the authorities began to rush around in search. There is nothing bad, he doesn’t make mistakes, he doesn’t work, besides, they are looking for solutions to other problems, who knows!? Ideology is prohibited, people were sent to the front, but in the rear... From the outside, all these swings are clearly visible, on the other side, the steam of the crowd needs to be released into some kind of pipe. In a word, all this fuss is at the wrong time. This “zhu-zhu” is not without reason, especially when it is brought to the public level.

[Maks1995]

Many people are sounding the alarm about the exaltation of Naazism in the person of Ilyin, Dudin and the like (as well as the associated ideas of caste, class, monarchical society of programmed inequality)

But do they still remember who quotes Ilyin? and how much did they count him?

Most likely, all these students and critics will gradually be declared foreigners, extremists, given a black ticket and gradually imprisoned (you yourself know who is already sitting and who has already leaned back...)

Nothing can be changed, unfortunately
From the “grandmother with the red flag” and Ilyin, Ilyin was chosen, IMHO. (and new privatization, they write, in addition)

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Max1995

who quotes Ilyin? and how much did they count him?

a) There were no alternatives; the last alternative “was blown up by a grenade on the plane.”
b) It’s boring to change horses at the crossing; we still have “not a war, but a North Military District.”
c) Nobody cancels the empirical rule “if the West scolds you, it means it’s good.”

[Maks1995]

1) It’s unlikely that “Putin’s chef” was an alternative. Three times the Hero simply “didn’t fit into the market”
2) and there is no chance. No one has canceled negative selection
3) I have never seen on a reporter that the West scolds Ilyin...
according to the notes of historians, he lived quietly there, published, was friends with all sorts of “figures.” He was simply a third-class figure, little known to anyone before the Kremlin’s PR

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Max1995

1) It’s unlikely that “Putin’s chef” was an alternative. Three times the Hero simply “didn’t fit into the market”

Maybe, but I would vote if he were nominated.

3) I have never seen on a reporter that the West scolds Ilyin...

That's it!
But I meant how the West scolds Putin. And since he scolds, it means he is following more or less the right path, at least in terms of confrontation with the West.

[Maks1995]

1) So what? the main thing is how to count and what to count

3) We are talking about Ilyin. And not about Putin.
And Ilyin - he lived and did well in the West.
No associations?

And according to our media, the West simultaneously scolds and praises Putin...
Either he sells T-shirts with Putin, then he sells Big Macs named after him, then his popularity is growing somewhere, then he calls Trump a friend, then his daughter lived there, then well done, that he sells gas, then something else...
Also strange...

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Max1995

3) We are talking about Ilyin. And not about Putin.
And Ilyin - he lived and did well in the West.
No associations?

Yes, and NOT in favor of Ilyin.

[fiv]

They would have mentioned the name of Stenka Razin - and there would have been no questions

[dmi.pris1]

There was a brewery named after him... And people didn’t complain. And they didn’t rebel against beer

[pudelartemon]

Everything is clear with Ilyin’s personality. But why did Dugin need to cover himself with this, that’s the question

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: pudelartemon

Dugin

@

Quote: pudelartemon

get dirty

Isn’t this because, judging by Google, he once called himself a master of the “black SS order”?
The text is from 2007, now one could say that “the Ukrainians are throwing stuff in,” but then...

[cytadell]

Probably, Ilyin was in the ranks of Russian foreign intelligence, who, under the mantra of the philosopher, worked and informed Russia about the processes taking place in Europe at that time. How could one fight the emergence of fascism at that time in its place? A rhetorical question. Probably, this was not a stupid person who, mimicking fascist slogans and being there at the front, understood what was really happening. Yes, fascism is still poison. It bribes fools with faith in the national idea, and as it goes deeper and deeper, intertwined with cruelty and inhumanity, it acquires its true face. This model is now being exploited by Europeans in Ukraine, but the Ukrainians themselves are drinking it to death, because the roots of fascism and its ideas are preserved in western Ukraine. Remember? Right Sector, Yarosh, Lyashko, Tyagnibok and others.

[hipper]

And what could he have learned and passed on to “Russia”? And if he really found out and conveyed that, for example, Mein Kampf is not a fake, and Stalin believed that Hitler would attack, then why wasn’t he posthumously awarded an order, declassified and told that all the nonsense that he wrote is really nonsense, but he was forced to write it so as not to fail the assignment?

[cytadell]

Maybe they’ll also let you into the archives with vultures!? When will you learn to use your head for more than just eating? Let the guys, the students of the Russian State University for the Humanities, better study. And “renaming” universities and making remarks on a universal level of stupidity is the level of market women.

[hipper]

Only you are allowed to make universal assumptions, right?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Aviator_

Did the communists also make air and water for us?

Do you really need anything else for life?

You can say that. Moreover, water is not only for us, but also for a variety of non-brothers today too. Hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, canals, dams, reservoirs, dams, land reclamation, water pipelines, heating, sewerage,.....
And the Power Plant, so not only to our fellow brothers, but also to many, now, EU Gay Europeans....
I don’t mention Iran, Vietnam, Cuba, China, Mongolia and Egypt. These countries did not betray the USSR. Maybe ours helped someone else in Africa or Asia, but I can’t remember now

[UserGun]

Listen...So now we must pray to the bastards from the USA and the geyropas who built us thousands! Karl, factories, factories, power plants and other cute things))) In fact, they built what the Kamunyak people, stoned to the brim with Stalin, boast so much about)

[Reptiloid]

don't you really feel the difference? The bourgeoisie from the USA and the gayropians did not build for us, but for themselves here. As they built in their other colonies for themselves. Until recently, France also owned much more in Africa. Loses what was captured. And everyone used what was built during the USSR. Apartments, schools, sanatoriums, pioneer camps, kindergartens, and much more

[UserGun]

Those. China = colony now?! ))) And yes, how did the geyrops from the USA build the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station for themselves if the USSR used it and made a profit?! )))

[Reptiloid]

Happens incomprehensibly over time Beginning of comment ----- about the Russian Federation after the 90s

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Electricity prices are an extremely sensitive issue. Because of the hydroelectric power station, there were no fish in the rivers. Vast areas are flooded. The Rybinsk Reservoir is huge, but its return is minimal. But the main paradox is that electricity, because it is cheap and generated from fish resources, has not become cheaper for the population. What in the late USSR was 4 kopecks per kilowatt, what is now 5 rubles, does not look cheap at all.
So, don’t flaunt hydroelectric power plants built on lowland rivers.

[UserGun]

Aaaaa...so Stalin turned out to be not perspicacious))) The bastard ordered the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station to be built as a pagan and at the same time ruined the fish))) Ay-yay-yay, what a scoundrel! )))

[Alaburga]

The country is being rocked, and this is visible to the naked eye. The State Department doesn’t even need to exert much effort; the Kremlin will do everything for it.

[Dozorny severa]

Quote: Vladimir80

I wonder whose teaching this is, your personal? T
Those. in a traditional society, a woman who did not work (did not have the means of production), but took care of children, who do you think? And who do you think Pushkin is?

A woman in a traditional society participated in the production process both directly - weaving, agricultural work, and indirectly - supporting the functioning and reproduction of the labor force.

[evgen1221]

Healthy nationalism is needed, let's take the example of Japan - do they lose much by cultivating the internal idea of ​​Japan for the native Japanese? No, and they don’t have complexes. The main thing is to stop and distinguish when healthy nationalism goes into the stage of Nazism with entries into objectionable ones with propaganda for their destruction.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: evgen1221

do they lose much by cultivating the internal idea of ​​Japan for the native Japanese?

They have mononational state.
They slaughtered others like the same Ainu (2.5 left).
And we, quite fundamentally, have at least Tatars, Chechens, Nenets, Khansi and a bunch of others.
Well, such a luxury as monoethnicity is not available to Russia (or Russians need to reproduce so that 16 children is something at the level of “almost childless”, and then in 60 years the rest of the nations will be so unnoticeable that options will already become possible).

[Luenkov]

Quote: cast iron

At what point is Ilyin’s personality “ambiguous”? Ilyin is clearly a Russian fascist who glorified Mussolini and Hitler. Everything with him is very clear.

Ilyin spoke about one nation in Russia? If not, then you are a slanderer.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Quote: Luenkov

Ilyin spoke about one nation in Russia? If not, then you are a slanderer.

Enough already that “In 1948 he declared that “fascism was right because it came from a healthy national-patriotic feeling.”
He is a fascist litter.

[UserGun]

Mussolini spoke about one nation?! )))

[cast iron]

First you need to read and understand the scientific definition of fascism. Then there will be no desire from your lack of education to call me a slanderer.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

then most Russians would never have known about the personality of Ivan Ilyin

Come on.
Either VVP managed to quote him somehow or speak well about him, it doesn’t matter.

[Emperor_Alive]

Let me just remind everyone that the Ukrofashists chose Dugin and his family as their first terrorist target on the territory of “old” Russia.

If Dugin promotes fascism, then why do Ukrofashists hate him so much?

Maybe it’s worth figuring out on your own what Hitler’s fascism is?
Without Western manuals...

(I wonder how many minuses there will be?)

[UAZ 452]

Maybe it’s worth figuring out on your own what Hitler’s fascism is?
Without Western manuals...

Be careful there! You can figure it out on your own only from the primary sources, and for trying to get acquainted with them you will definitely get banned from the zone. In the old regime, it was believed that in order to beat the enemy, you need to know his weapon. Now this is not the case - 99% of our citizens do not understand the difference between fascism and Nazism at all, and even if you ask them for a definition - who are the fascists/Nazis, and why are they so bad and criminal, the absolute majority will only answer that their crime is that They were the first to attack the USSR without declaring war, bombed our cities, killed our citizens, and they will remember the Holocaust. Almost no one knows anything about fascism/Nazism as an ideology. The majority - because they are of little interest, the rest - because, under pain of the Criminal Code, it has long been prohibited to show interest in this direction. And as for me, there is nothing that would contribute to the revival of Nazism more than a ban on its study. After all, then it becomes very easy to promote a similar ideology under a different name - still, few people will discover the analogy.
PS I would like to answer your first question, but now everything can be subject to an article, for example, for justifying terrorism. I will limit myself only to the fact that, unlike communism, which is international, there cannot be any fascist international - it is nationalistic by its nature. I won't continue further.

[Emperor_Alive]

You can figure it out on your own only from the primary sources, and for trying to get acquainted with them you will definitely get banned from the zone.

Yes, nonsense. Primary sources are freely available online.
Nobody forbids you to read them.
I figured this out for myself a long time ago.

[UAZ 452]

So you’ve also read Mein Kampf? And you write about it so freely? Do you believe so much in anonymity on the Internet? You just admitted to a criminal offense that carries a real prison sentence!

[Emperor_Alive]

Are you from Ukraine by any chance?
In Russia we do not have a criminal offense for reading any books.

Yes, I watched Mein Kampf when I had to answer in detail
one... defender of "Western democracy" who assured me
that we have a dictatorship in Russia, almost fascism...)))

And the translation of this book, by the way, was done on instructions from the CPSU.

[UAZ 452]

Hmm... Are you really from Russia? How was it possible to live here for the last few years and not come across media reports about the arrests of some bad individuals, evidence of whose guilt was certain “extremist” literature found during a search? If you think that Mein Kampf and similar primary sources are not extremist literature, then often tell others about your acquaintance with it. I am sure that in not a very long time we will lose the opportunity to get acquainted with your wise comments.

[Emperor_Alive]

I'm definitely from Russia. But you, it seems, are not.

Keeping extremist literature at home for the purpose of disseminating extremist views is a crime.
Reading something on the Internet, especially if it is in the open, is not a crime in Russia.

And don't slander my country.

[UAZ 452]

Persuaded. I'll read it. Please provide a link to Mein Kampf if it is online.

[Emperor_Alive]

Persuaded. I'll read it. Give me a link to Mein Kampf
if it's online.

I'll wait. Maybe more people will come running...

[UAZ 452]

In accordance with the federal law of July 25, 2002 No. 114-FZ “On counteracting extremist activities,” the distribution of extremist materials on the territory of the Russian Federation is prohibited (this also includes publications by the leaders of the NSDAP, and therefore Adolf Hitler’s book “My Struggle” ), as well as their production or storage for distribution purposes. Due to this, the book is not available on our website.
https://www.mirknih.ru/moya-borba/

It's about the same on other sites. It may be on some underground libraries, torrents and pages of extremist communities, but I am a law-abiding person, unlike you, this warning is enough for me.
PS And clarify - which country of yours should I not slander? To Ukraine? Live there as you wish! The main thing is don't touch us. I, unlike many of my compatriots, do not need Kyiv for nothing. And I’m already convinced that you have no idea about Russian reality at all, which is difficult to imagine if you really lived here.

[cast iron]

Dugin promotes Russian fascism, and Ukrainians promote Ukrainian fascism. And since there are a lot of contradictions between our countries, including financial ones, some fascists will try to destroy other fascists. Moreover, one of the pillars of Ukrainian fascism is the cultivation of bestial hatred of everything Russian.

[Codett]

Ilyin is a fascist, and his associates are enemies of humanity

[oleg Pesotsky]

It’s not clear what all the fuss is about? Ilyin is definitely an ardent follower of Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. An outspoken ideologist of “Russian fascism”, an employee of the ministry of Dr. Goebbels. What else can be discussed and discussed? The introduction of his ideas and meanings into society is the introduction of the ideas of fascism and Nazism. This creates a paradox - the country that defeated Nazism and paid a huge price for it is today introducing precisely these ideas into its ideology! Aren't you ashamed of your ancestors? What kind of historical inheritance can we talk about then?

[UAZ 452]

You should be careful about the favorite philosopher of the head of state, who enjoys the support of 87% of the population of this state. After all, it turns out that 87% of the population shares Ilyin’s ideas...?

[oleg Pesotsky]

Agree. There is such a thing. But the plywood boarding up of the Mausoleum on May 9, the Russian President’s justification of Hitler’s attack on Poland (he said in an interview with Tucker Carlson that the Fuhrer didn’t want war but the West provoked him) and Vladimir Vladimirovich’s passion for the works of the ideologist of Russian fascism aren’t links in the same chain?

[UAZ 452]

Well, it is possible to agree on the existence of some kind of Russian fascism, but it does not exist and cannot exist, because those who think otherwise are imprisoned. So let’s talk about the Ukronazis who erect monuments to Bandera and Shukhevych. But we will denazify them all!

[cast iron]

The head of state can go to three letters with such and such sympathies. I personally didn’t vote for him or for his party either. And any normal person will not allow the ideas of a fascist to be pushed through.

[Luenkov]

Quote: Hitriy Zhuk

Quote: Luenkov

Ilyin spoke about one nation in Russia? If not, then you are a slanderer.

Enough already that “In 1948 he declared that “fascism was right because it came from a healthy national-patriotic feeling.”
He is a fascist litter.

Healthy national-patriotic or patriotic. - Different things. Agree.

[nikolaevskiy78]

The Tsarebozhnik monarchist Kholmogorov and his comrades are already foaming at the mouth. They say that all the Marxists and students are against the beloved philosopher Himself and in general the communists and Marxists are the fifth column.

[MCmaximus]

So schizophrenia has long been registered on the face. Let this one come. Soon they will start spitting in his face. There the threshold of insanity has long been passed.

[cast iron]

The fascist lover Kholmogorov can go all out and the people of Russia will support this campaign.

[Stenolaz]

It would be better if they shot him.

[Vladimir80]

It would be better if they shot him

This hasn't caused me any worries for a long time. But only anger, indignation and hatred

The stupid two-legged cattle enthusiastically rushed to the trough filled with imported goods and silently looked at the destruction of the productive forces in the Russian Federation.

Surprisingly, most of the comments testify against the commentators themselves. These people don't understand what they are writing? Or are they really on the side of evil?

[Gromovanton]

Why not them? A.A. Vlasova? - he also fought for a better Russia - he was also a “great thinker” - he wrote at one time “Why I took the path of fighting Bolshevism.” Written with “fair” intelligence - the liberals of the 90s were simply weak rewriters of those “grandiose” ideas... And he declared that everything was in the interests of a better and new Russia. With such “hero-banners” we don’t even need enemies. Well, isn’t it true that in 1000 years of our history there hasn’t been a more worthy institution to be named after him, something that will shape the ideals of young people? I understand that many such political figures as V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin is as unbearable as the light of the sun for vampires, well, for the best, there is no point in sullying their names by placing them on the walls of obscene establishments... Generally speaking, there has never been any Russian philosophy or its branch of political philosophy in Russia. Therefore, name the institution after . Holy Equal to the Apostles Prince Vladimir, period. Vladimir is not satisfied - there is Alexander Nevsky. What is typical is that instead of working on the content, they were preoccupied with a catchy name... This, of course, will “solve” all the problems in the education, or rather the re-education of adults - students are no longer children and as individuals have been largely formed - and of course it will be extremely “useful” “in the preparation of future graduates - citizens of our country.... This is how the country lives: they’ll come up with a ridiculous name, then they’ll do nonsense, then they’ll push fascists through all the cracks, if only they would get busy with their direct business - but in our country there’s a lot of tension with this imitating and creating little...

[Iris]

The petition was clearly dictated. Are current students denouncing Ilyin? They haven't even heard of him. This is not Buzova’s cowards, however, to discuss...

[MCmaximus]

Well, first of all, not all students are the same. During my time in the Soviet years, half of the students definitely didn’t need anything other than to get drunk.
And secondly, do you seriously think that a person can be forced to sign such a petition? Or are they doing this for fun?

[Totor5]

Why be surprised if the one who hung Mannerheim’s plaque in St. Petersburg later sat at the table at the Minsk negotiations.

It’s better to write the name of the person who came up with the name.

[Totor5]

Quote: old friend

A strange article, as are the comments under it. For example, I cannot comment on Ilyin’s philosophy in essence, because I haven't read his books. To condemn a person only on the basis that he was against the Bolsheviks and worked in Nazi Germany is, in my opinion, stupid. Does anyone have anything to say about the substance of his work and philosophy? All this is very reminiscent of “I haven’t read it, but I condemn it.”
I'm much more concerned about other matters. For example. about the legitimacy of power? Real legitimacy is not elections and 80% participation of the population, but responsibility this power.
Was anyone from the inner circle of your GDP responsible for the failure at the beginning of the SVO? At a minimum, the head of foreign intelligence should have resigned.
Did anyone from the Ministry of Defense bear responsibility for the crappy planning of the operation?
Was anyone held responsible for the tragedy in Crocus? The chief FSB officer has resigned? No, I haven't heard of that.
Lawlessness in the Black Sea Fleet - when did the authorities start itching? Before the elections? where are the admirals' resignations? Has anyone been demoted or at least retired in disgrace? I'm sure, in the worst case scenario, they were transferred to a new duty station.
And there are plenty of such questions. Instead, we are discussing people who have been gone for a long time, having no idea what and how they actually thought and said. Well done

Beautifully painted. Is it possible from your pen to do the same about Hitler?

[Totor5]

Quote: Kasatik

The petition was clearly dictated. Are current students denouncing Ilyin? They haven't even heard of him. This is not Buzova’s cowards, however, to discuss...

Don't judge other people's children by your own.

[Sibiryak70region]

Let us strike Vlasovism against Banderaism - this is the motto of the authorities. Otherwise they would not have promoted this Nazi and fascist Ilyin. Well, it’s not worth talking about schizophrenia in power. They are alive and still fighting thanks to the weapons and the groundwork that the Bolsheviks made and at the same time they are crap on them

[Says_Moscow]

Quote: Sibiryak70region

Let us strike Vlasovism against Banderaism - this is the motto of the authorities. Otherwise they would not have promoted this Nazi and fascist Ilyin. Well, it’s not worth talking about schizophrenia in power. They are alive and still fighting thanks to the weapons and the groundwork that the Bolsheviks made and at the same time they are crap on them

The commies will answer for everything! Russia was in its fourth decade of development in the image and likeness of their class enemies...

[Luenkov]

Quote: UserGun

Mussolini spoke about one nation?! )))

Hello... and this: The nation, in the form of a state, is an ethical reality that exists and lives as it develops. And further on Mussolini. Classics of fascism - glory of the nation, etc.

[Emperor_Alive]

Hello... and this: The nation, in the form of a state, is an ethical reality that exists and lives as it develops. And further on Mussolini. Classics of fascism - glory of the nation, etc.

This definition of fascism is taken from Western manuals.
But they are constantly disingenuous, introducing double standards.

The world is full of countries that are building a nation state.
This is far from just Israel.
As long as they don't cross the border and commit genocide on other nations,
it is not fascism that we condemn.

There is nothing wrong with the very idea of ​​a nationally oriented state.
It meets the interests of the state-forming nation of Russia.

Multiculturalism today is being imposed on us by the West and its agents inside Russia.

[Alexander Tkachenko]

Well? Are their “bourgeois” people continuing to destroy the Russian people on the sly?
Capitalism, your mother!!!

[MCmaximus]

The stupidity of our bureaucrats is amazing. Putin said that Ilyin is reading, so he needs to bend over quickly. How many people read anything? We had these philosophers like uncut dogs. They were exiled by steamships. Moreover, one ship was not enough. I also tried to read. All sorts of Berdyaevs. But why should obviously controversial characters receive such honors? Either Mannerheim or Ilyin.

[Dozorny severa]

Quote: conil

decoration to hide the colonial status of the Russian Federation. The stupid two-legged cattle enthusiastically rushed to the trough filled with imported goods and silently looked at the destruction of the productive forces in the Russian Federation.

It's funny, you seem to be quoting Ilyin. He is talking about the fact that biomass needs to be removed from governing the country, transferring power into the hands of nationally minded people. This is the only way to get the country out of the colonial state.

I didn’t write anything like that. I wrote that a person without the means of production is an animal. And this thesis has been proven by the entire course of evolution, what does the anti-scientific nonsense of a crazy degenerate have to do with it? In addition, I did not call for the transfer of power to a certain select few, singling them out from the general mass.

[pop]

Students are confused: anti-communism is not fascism.

[cast iron]

From the point of view of an uneducated fool, of course.

[Luenkov]

Quote from Emperor_Alive

Hello... and this: The nation, in the form of a state, is an ethical reality that exists and lives as it develops. And further on Mussolini. Classics of fascism - glory of the nation, etc.

This definition of fascism is taken from Western manuals.
But they are constantly disingenuous, introducing double standards.

The world is full of countries that are building a nation state.
This is far from just Israel.
As long as they don't cross the border and commit genocide on other nations,
it is not fascism that we condemn.

There is nothing wrong with the very idea of ​​a nationally oriented state.
It meets the interests of the state-forming nation of Russia.

Multiculturalism today is being imposed on us by the West and its agents inside Russia.

Isn’t Ishrail now following a fascist course? No Palestinian genocide? What are you smoking?

[Cure72]

The Soros cause is blooming and thriving. And there are 80 percent of such Ilins in the State Duma. Least.

[Says_Moscow]

Quote from invisible_man

The article says:

although he was not a member of the NSDLP

Why wasn't he a member?

but no, that’s right, he was just a member.

[Shuridze]

It turns out interesting... Left-wing radicalism called "Marxism", with all its inherent fundamental Russophobia, hatred of the Russian world and anti-great power for the Russian people - this is possible and even necessary for Russia in the mouths of leftists. And right-wing conservatism, far from far-right radicalism or national chauvinism as it is now in Ukraine, right-wing conservatism among leftists should definitely be branded Nazism and anathematized.

Is it okay that Italian fascism existed in Spain under Franco, under Pinochet in Chile, and now exists in the People's Republic of China under Xi Jingping? You probably know what socialism is called in a market capitalist economy with state monopolies, social ratings and “Uyghurs are now located here.”

[Azzzwer]

Quote: Shuridze

"Marxism", with all its inherent fundamental Russophobia

sick, and where in Marxism did you see Russophobia, and even fundamental?

[cast iron]

Nice try, lover of fascism and Nazism. But no. Go back to your anti-Soviet fascist Ukrainian circle.

[acetophenone]

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

Quote: UAZ 452

And who did this so-called “best in the world” Soviet education help?

What surprises me most is how people with the best Soviet education in the world began to “charge” jars of water en masse in front of their TVs...

Not in the horse's food.

[ship]

For the most part, the writers and commentators on the site have not read “Ivan Ilyin - What the dismemberment of Russia in 1992 promises the world,” but they have their own opinions. They also believe that there was no capitalism in Russia, while ignoring the work of V.I. Lenin "The Development of Capitalism in Russia".

[ivan2022]

Ilyin hoped that after the fall of the Bolsheviks the Russian people would “rise up,” and Lenin even earlier hoped that the development of capitalism in Russia would lead to the development of the Russian labor movement. Just like in the West. I guess that Ilyin, like everyone else, has not read Lenin. I thought this was beneath my dignity...

But the Russian people accepted and supported the destruction of their country and didn’t “resurrect” at all.....but....eklmn....refuted all the philosophers.

Almost according to Saltykov-Shchedrin: “they expected bloodshed from him, but he ate the little siskin.” Only the classic underestimated the bloodshed..... With this we were always OK!

[Azzzwer]

Lenin had hoped even earlier that the development of capitalism in Russia would lead to the development of the Russian labor movement

and why did you, my friend, decide so? Is it okay that Lenin, in his activities, relied on the labor movement in Russia that already existed long before the creation of the RSDLP?

But the Russian people accepted and supported the destruction of their country and didn’t “resurrect” at all.....but....eklmn....refuted all the philosophers.

and here you are, my friend, wrong
“By its very development, revolution gives rise to counter-revolution”
K. Marx
“To imagine world history moving smoothly and neatly forward, without sometimes making giant leaps back, is undialectical, unscientific, and theoretically incorrect.”
IN AND. Lenin.
So, everything is going as the classics bequeathed to us)))) The revolution of 1917 is the counter-revolution of 1985-1991.

[Alex 22 22]

K. Marx - F. Engels. Manifesto of the Communist Party: Workers have no homeland. You can't take away from them what they don't have. And what did the Working Class of the USSR fight for in 1941-1945? For the Motherland, for the Fatherland. And here is Marx: you are fighting for what you don’t have. How can this be understood from the point of view of communist ideology?

[Foul skeptic]

How can this be understood from the point of view of communist ideology?

So the answer is in the very source to which you referred.

[Alex 22 22]

At least name the chapter, otherwise reading will be a mess. Especially when more than 100 years have passed since its practical application. And a lot of things didn’t go as these two geniuses wrote. In the United States this year, according to the structure, the total number of workers in various industries is 20,3 percent, that is, proletarians. And office workers account for 24,2 percent in sales. Somehow it doesn’t look like hegemony from the word at all.

[Azzzwer]

Quote: Alex 22 22

Workers have no fatherland. You can't take away from them what they don't have. And what did the Working Class of the USSR fight for in 1941-1945?

Well, you Lesha and d...k! The manifesto was written when there was not a single socialist state in the world - a state in which the working class was in power! That is why Marx and Engels wrote that under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the proletariat does not have its own fatherland because the bourgeois capitalists appropriate everything to themselves, including the right to govern states! And in 1941-1945. The Soviet working class fought for the SOCIALIST Fatherland, because in 1917 they drove the tsar, landowners and capitalists out of the country and in 1922 created their own unified state - the USSR! And from that time until 1991, the country became a FATHERLAND for the Soviet working class and other honest and free workers building communism!

[lynnot]

Somehow Ilyin’s personality looks completely unattractive even when assessed from Medinsky’s point of view...

[Azzzwer]

If it weren’t for the praises addressed to Ilyin, which Vladimir Vladimirovich pronounces at every opportunity, and also the fact that he keeps his books on his shelf and reads them from time to time, then most Russians would never have known about the personality of Ivan Ilyin.

[Shuridze]

Stomp against the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Marxist, you live in cosplay of the two anti-Russian coups of 1917.

[Azzzwer]

Quote: Shuridze

you live in cosplay of the two anti-Russian coups of 1917.

and you, as I understand it, prefer to wear brown shirts in your cosplay?

[Idle_piston]

We have a war going on, our guys are dying at the front, it’s time for someone to have a discussion. Yes, everything is being done to divide the people. MI6 doesn't eat bread in vain.

[cast iron]

Right. The rector and the entire dean's office of the Russian State University for the Humanities must be put in prison for the rehabilitation and popularization of fascism. It wouldn’t hurt to involve Dugin either.

[Shuridze]

Then it would not hurt to involve Semin with the neo-Bolshevik Fronde, which is pushing against the Russian military-political leadership and specifically against the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of our country and our army - Vladimir Putin, during the war period - well, just like their ideological ancestors. Or is it something else?

[Desperado]

Well, let’s look at how the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation works in our country. Dugin and those involved in the opening of the above-mentioned “school” should be prosecuted under Article 354.1. Rehabilitation of Nazism.

[Come in large numbers]

I wonder how another comrade, who befriended the fascists, entered into agreements with them in 1939, sent congratulatory telegrams? Ahh, well two, that's different...

[Foul skeptic]

I wonder how another comrade, who befriended the fascists, entered into agreements with them in 1939, sent congratulatory telegrams? Ahh, well two, that's different...

Naturally different.
This other even has a proper name, like a specific type of logical manipulation - a false analogy.

[cast iron]

A bunch of European countries entered into agreements with fascist Spain and Italy. What is the problem? Don't you like the methods used to conduct foreign policy? Well, this is purely your personal problem.

[Mishka78]

Oh, Ilyin! I also have a quote from this “great” philosopher:
“The spirit of Russian fascists is patriotic, strong-willed and active; I did not take up the pen to condemn this spirit. But in order to say to my white brothers, the fascists: beware of baseless, foreign “politics”! It is fraught with the danger of decay and loss of white spirit..."
I. A. Ilyin. ("About Russian Fascism")

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

The top warms the soul of Ilyin’s theory of leaderism, when the top is a priori right, and those who doubt this should be mercilessly destroyed.
Well, as for the fact that Ilyin pissed himself until a pig squealed with delight at Hitlerism, we’ll “modestly” keep quiet about that. And we will shut their mouths to those who dare to remind about this.

[woodcutter]

Nazism and fascism must not be repeated. This is an axiom. Any nationalism does not carry anything positive and will be broken by a regular DNA test. Those who have done it and are familiar with it know that in every person there are so many different groups mixed together that it is pointless to even single out the predominant one. And all this talk around the nation is propaganda and an element of controlling people. While ideas like socialism or communism had a unifying character, since they were aimed at the benefit of every person, nationalism only divides along ethnic lines and provokes conflicts.

[guest]

Considering the process of complex and bloody extermination of neo-Nazism in Ukraine, the accusation is more than serious.

I agree, and most importantly, it puts a propaganda tool in the hands of our enemy, sometimes I still come across answers from the other side that “in Russia, you also hold Nazis in high esteem.”