NATO. Will we fight?

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NATO. Will we fight?

Nowadays, the activities of the NATO bloc on our borders raise many questions. Practically non-stop exercises that are clearly provocative in nature. Alliance soldiers either land on the coast, or attack some fortifications very similar to ours, or block our fleet in the Baltic, and so on. Up to simulating a limited nuclear strike.

In such a situation, the question quite reasonably arises: what is NATO preparing for?



Will there be an attack on our territory? Will members of the bloc send their troops into the territory of Ukraine?

Agree, the questions are quite logical. Especially considering the situation at the front. Russian troops continue to grind down units and formations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces not only on the front line, but also in the rear.

I am not inclined to trust Zelensky in matters of providing his formations with weapons and ammunition. The lack of ammunition is not due to the lack of shells, but to the way our units classically strangle the enemy’s logistics. At the moment, supplying warring units, rotation and repair of damaged equipment for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is a big problem. Even the evacuation of the wounded was organized very poorly. The soldiers are simply left to die in positions...

Whether you like it or not, the desire again arises to use the hackneyed: Kyiv has decided to fight until the last Ukrainian, and more recently, the Ukrainian woman. Now not only men, but also women are subject to mandatory registration at the Armed Forces of Ukraine recruitment centers. Videos of dead female stormtroopers have been regularly published from the front lines for a long time now...

What about shells and weapons?

Let's not forget about the West's plans for 2025. The preparation of a counter-offensive next year is still talked about today as a reality. However, these plans now have to be significantly adjusted. Hopes that the Ukrainians will repeat the feat of our soldiers in repelling the counter-offensive of 2023 are crumbling almost daily. The Russian meat grinder works properly!..

Will “red lines” turn into “red flags” for Western wolves?


I don’t know if you have noticed how the rhetoric of our politicians towards the enemy and the West has changed?

The phrase “red lines” has gone from being repeated many times to becoming quite rare. I think even moderate politicians are losing their illusions about the existence of some boundaries that simply cannot be crossed due to the fact that this poses a threat to all of humanity.

The West has repeatedly proven that it deeply does not care about international laws, the rules, and the traditions of war, and indeed about humanity as a whole. There is one principle at work - what the press writes about and politicians talk about happened. The rest, even the worst, is just a figment of the enemies’ imagination.

Look at the Western press today. Terrorist attack at Crocus. You are unlikely to find, for example, the number of dead and injured there. But you can quickly find photographs of terrorists immediately after their arrest...

But let's return to the question of the possibility of a NATO attack on Russia.

Let's start with the Baltic region.

For all the “superiority” of the alliance, the West understands perfectly well that a direct conflict with Moscow will have approximately the same result as sanctions imposed on a permanent basis. The answer will be much more powerful than the blow. And given the population density in Europe, it is much more destructive for all spheres of life of Europeans.

True, this opinion is based on the logic of events, on the fact that there are still sensible people among Western politicians. However, upon closer examination, I often have thoughts about the inadequacy of the political elite of Europe, about the elementary illiteracy and incompetence of many high-ranking officials operating there. So...

But with Ukraine everything is much more complicated.

The fact that the alliance has practically exhausted its reserves and will now have to sacrifice its own security to help Kyiv is already clear to everyone. Removing air defense from combat duty, “disarming” your own formations and units, and even under the rhetoric of the danger of an attack from Russia, is committing political suicide.

Ukraine cannot resist Russia on its own. What current events on the fronts show. The only way for at least some increase in the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine looks quite obvious. Throwing more and more soldiers into the meat grinder. No matter how powerful the meat grinder is, it is impossible to constantly increase the amount of processed products. This means that more soldiers will reduce the speed of the Russian offensive...

Talk about an “explosion of patriotism” in Ukraine has long been in the realm of satire and humor. Those who are being mobilized today cannot be called motivated soldiers. And the officer corps looks rather drab. There are no commanders, no motivated fighters, which means no victory. Even barrage detachments and the cruelty of commanders cannot save us.

At the same time, a huge (up to 100 thousand) number of troops are located on the border with Belarus. Quite a lot of units are engaged in the protection of rear facilities. If you scrape the bottom of the barrel well, the Ukrainian Armed Forces can throw a huge army into battle right now. This is the dilemma. Either a more or less reliable rear, or replenishment of the bleeding units on the front line.

And again this notorious “last Ukrainian” pops up...

A few years ago, and almost from the very beginning of the Maidan, discussions that Ukraine was “overpopulated” were very popular in the infosphere. Remember the figures that were often published in Western and our media: “an agricultural power needs 10–15 million people to work in the modern agricultural sector”...

Alas, no one sees any other scenario for Ukraine’s continued existence as a country. Industry, science and other sectors of the economy have been practically destroyed. There are only a few paths left for the future. Agriculture, where Ukrainians are destined for the fate of slaves for Western planters, logistics, geography have not been canceled, and tourism with all the accompanying branches...

Based on this logic, some NATO countries may well introduce their units into the territory. For example, Poland or the same France. I wrote about the motives for such actions. This creates an interesting situation that the politicians of potential foreign participants in the conflict on the Ukrainian side hope for.

On the one hand, the introduction of its own units into the territory of Ukraine will be considered by the alliance as the own decision of the governments of these countries, and NATO does not bear any obligations in this regard. Whether they fight or not, Brussels doesn’t care. The owner is a gentleman.

On the other hand, it’s clear with those who are already on the territory of Ukraine, but with those who will train replacements on the countries’ own territory, who will repair equipment and weapons, who will send ammunition, etc. – what to do?

The planes take part in hostilities, but are based at Polish airfields... What to do?

The Kremlin has already announced the legitimacy of the goals for our army. But striking the airfields and arsenals of a NATO country on its territory is not an attack on that country? Will the notorious 5th point work? Or will it work exactly as written?

Let's talk about it...

Simply put, we again have a situation in which much depends on the adequacy of the political leadership. I wrote about this above.

Well, one last thought that I would like to voice. It seems to stand apart, but it is quite logical. The press quite often talks about the future fate of Ukraine as a state. The option of dividing the country was also considered. That is, the return of some territories to those countries from which they were taken as a result of the Second World War.

It is clear that no one will talk about this directly. For Zelensky, such talk will practically destroy support for his policies within the country. For those who set their sights on Ukrainian lands, this is a fear of arousing the hostility of Ukrainians and, accordingly, opposition to the occupying units and units. Nobody is going to ask us...

I imagine this occupation scenario.

First, units of countries claiming these territories enter, and then, in an emergency, NATO strike systems are deployed there. There is logic in these actions. The lands were returned to the alliance members, which means the bloc has the right to place whatever it wants there...

Thus, either NATO partially solves the problem of the next “advance to the east”, or Russia becomes the initiator of a global war. If, of course, we strike at these alliance weapons systems. A very thin line, almost the same thing - “on the nose” from the children’s rhyme...

Speaking more globally, we may be offered the option of another global redistribution in Europe. The loss of the western part of Ukraine will mean not only the advance of NATO to our borders, but also a change in the political situation in the Black Sea region...

We continue to walk along the razor's edge


Usually at the end of the material I try to draw some conclusions, somehow summarize the above. I won't do that today. First of all, because the issues raised here are quite complex, and there can be no simple solutions. In addition to the obvious, logical facts, there is still quite a lot of other information that is simply unknown to me.

I think that work in the areas that I described above is being carried out by fairly competent people who do not need advice. Our task is much more modest. Inform people. So that what may or may not happen does not come as a surprise.

I don’t know whether this is good or bad, but I personally feel comfortable when much of what happens around us also depends on our decision. Whether we agree to something or not. If a country respects itself, then other countries will respect it. Nothing new. Long-known axioms that do not require proof.
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  1. ada
    -3
    April 11 2024 05: 49
    ...or Russia becomes the initiator of a global war. ...

    Nope, you can leave the “palm of the championship” to the owner, but they will offer you not to take it! But hit strictly in accordance with your planning, as with the most effective implementation rate! It’s possible more than once, I would say - it’s necessary, to consolidate the calculated result, otherwise... until it dissipates..., there’s already a need for a new one. Move the affected area (cut-off line) to the next. 22 grams of VD across the diameter of the Eropa Peninsula, the rest - square-nested, let them fly - they will like it wassat
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    2. ada
      0
      April 11 2024 18: 35
      These stupid little people don’t believe it! I say - I WILL LOVE IT! They don’t believe, but it itself crawls towards what it desires, how are you going to refuse the sick to satisfy their desires, heartless ones?
      wink
  2. +9
    April 11 2024 06: 20
    “Free verse[1][2], free verse (French vers libre) is a verse to varying degrees free from rigid rhymemetric composition[3][4], which has occupied a fairly wide niche in Western, in particular English-language, poetry of the 5th century. This is a type of versification, which is characterized by a consistent rejection of all “secondary features” of verse speech: rhyme, syllabic meter, isotonia [XNUMX] and isosyllabism (equality of lines by the number of stresses or syllables) and regular stanza”:
    I dont know,
    It's good
    or bad
    but personally I feel comfortable
    when much of it
    what's going on around
    It depends
    and from our decision.
    Whether we agree
    for something or not.
    If the country
    respects himself
    then her
    respected by other countries too.
    Nothing new.
    Long-known axioms,
    not requiring proof.

    fellow
    Bravo!
    fellow
    crying

    Actually, according to SABZH.
    Numbers speak best, especially those that can be cross-checked.
    We take data, for example, from our website Lostarmor and estimate, at least in percentage or on a map, how the territory of Ukraine controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces changed in 2014 -2024. These data, to put it mildly, do not raise expectations like "...no one sees any other scenario for Ukraine’s continued existence as a country. Industry, science and other sectors of the economy have been practically destroyed. There are only a few paths left for the future. Agriculture, where Ukrainians are destined for the fate of slaves for Western planters..."
    The option that “a Western guy will come and divide Ukraine”, probably together with the option “Trump will come and give Ukraine to its rightful owners from the Russian Federation” - they are not working for obvious reasons.
    What are the working options? This can be found out from the Military Review articles for 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030.
    1. +1
      April 11 2024 09: 14
      Such a fairy tale will not survive until 2026. Either the mountain will be demolished, or the donkey will throw off its hooves under the padishah.
      1. 0
        April 11 2024 10: 03
        Quote: pin_code
        Such a fairy tale will not survive until 2026. Either the mountain will be demolished, or the donkey will throw off its hooves under the padishah.

        England and France fought for a hundred years. It will simply be a familiar news landscape.
        1. 0
          April 11 2024 10: 38
          Times are different. And I don’t mind, they can fight among themselves for at least 500 years. This is first of all. And secondly, I’m not interested in news landscapes (which, by the way, during the war the countries you mentioned were not even in memory.
        2. +1
          April 11 2024 19: 25
          Blackmokona
          England and France fought for a hundred years.

          If we consider that the main striking force of one of the sides at the initial stage were “as many as” four and a half thousand knights, and in just one hundred and sixteen years of war just over two hundred thousand people died, then the comparison, to put it mildly, is incorrect...
      2. +3
        April 11 2024 12: 12
        Such a fairy tale will not survive until 2026


        Why do you think so? Dad of the Father of the Fatherland lived 88 years, mummy 87. At the same time, both did not lead a very healthy lifestyle. I don’t see any particular reason to expect quick changes, so to speak, in people’s faces.

        As for the partners, it took them 20 years to leave Afghanistan. They are still leaving Iraq and Syria. They also have nowhere to rush.
    2. 0
      April 11 2024 12: 44
      Trump will come and give Ukraine to its rightful owners from the Russian Federation


      There is one more nuance here. Let's say Trump comes and wants to finish the SVO (though why would he want that). But Mr. Staver, not without reason, writes that the leadership of the Russian Federation in the trenches, so to speak, has settled down, hung up the wallpaper, and is ready to win in the same spirit indefinitely.

      That is, peacemaker Trump will have to find an answer to the usual question for negotiations with the Russian leadership: “Or what?” This is a very interesting question.
      1. +1
        April 11 2024 17: 24
        hi
        we will have to find an answer to the usual question for negotiations with the leadership of the Russian Federation, “Or what?” This is a very interesting question

        I really want to slip into crude humor and evaluate the appropriateness of Trump’s questions about “turned spades,” “forks,” and “eyes.” But the public is already tired and even the author of this article began to write about when he personally feels comfortable.
        Therefore, let's look at possible options for Trump's responses (Biden's responses are difficult to predict in principle, but he is still inclined to protect every millimeter of Ukraine).
        We will have to start with assumptions on the topic “what do we know about Trump”: he is a businessman and works as a “broker in the real estate market”; always tries to "get the best deal"; is not afraid of violence and its escalation (from AS130 in DeiresZor to Javellins in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and beyond, right up to the quick transfer of the US Embassy to Jerusalem); Well, “America First” and “Make America Great Again”.

        Option number 1. Is it good for Trump (Trump = USA, let’s assume this way for simplicity) if his competitors in various markets, from gas to weapons, are engaged in “combat operations”, so to speak? Of course that's good. And the longer they do this, the better off Trump is for not doing this.
        So support in volumes sufficient to maintain the current situation will continue, but where the LBS is on the right bank of the Dnieper, what landing it goes through is not important to Trump. As another US President, who did not have atomic bombs lying around, said: "If we see that Germany is winning, we must help Russia, if Russia is winning, we must help Germany and thus allow them to kill as many as possible"

        It would also be great for Trump if the two Chinas were to cut a deal in the Taiwan Strait (for example, high-tech could be actively returned to the USA) and Iran and Israel (it would be possible to remove Iran from the oil market for good). But Trump behaved badly (Stormy Daniels will confirm), so Santa Claus will leave him without such a gift.

        Option number 2. Trump decides to “wrap the flag” and win, playing on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. “Pedal that metal,” unpacked by SierraArmyDepot, Davis-Montana, Midway in San Diego picks up a “zhovkit-blakit ensign” and so on, and all this for a disposal price of $1.
        Well, in this case, everything is clear (of course, they won’t succeed).

        Option number 3. Trump decides to forget about Ukraine: “...there’s just no money. We’ll find the money, do the indexing. You hang in here, all the best to you, good mood and health.” It seems to be good, but Europe has not cleaned its own emergency equipment and Europe, “out of fright,” will just be able to replace the United States in the difficult task of supplying the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

        Which of the options will become reality - Military Review will write about this in the year 2030, not earlier, IMHO.
        1. +1
          April 12 2024 20: 56
          Military Review will write in the year 2030, not earlier, IMHO.


          Well, if the redhead chooses the brutal option, then VO will write it earlier. It’s unlikely that Donald will be able to reset himself, so he clearly won’t last until 2030.

          But I had a hint to the patriots about another idea. I remember that President Nixon wanted to urgently end the not very successful war.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II
          1. 0
            April 13 2024 15: 24
            Yes, what a Linebacker, while even “ARVN is on minimum wage”, everyone decides what color the coat should be (spoiler: the coat is ordered to be white, the color of the lining is still being discussed, but it has already been agreed that “if it’s brown, then it’s okay, it happens” ).
            Well, “but he’s on the ground.” Although this did not interfere with air support (spoiler: let’s see the “F16 saga,” it should begin in 2024), and then, as usual, IMHO, VO will write about Linebacker, of course, but not soon...

            So Linebacker 2-3, as in the old Jewish joke, “grandmother said it was for later.”
            1. +2
              April 13 2024 15: 48
              Yes, what a Linebacker, even “ARVN is at minimum wages” so far.


              Well, it doesn't hurt to know about Republican peacekeeping. Just saying that for the sake of completeness.
      2. -1
        April 11 2024 17: 40
        Quote: Negro
        Let's say Trump comes and

        And it puts a single Bolt on used and EU/NATO combined.
        And it is transferring its military resources and efforts to Southeast Asia and the Indo-Pacific region. With the creation of all the necessary infrastructure to actively contain China.
        And NATO/EU under Bolt can defeat Russia in Ukraine right on the battlefield for as long as they like.
        That's the whole nuance from Trump.
        The Armed Forces of Ukraine will not give a cent, and even NATO will impose a tribute on everything so that at least some part of the US military presence in Europe remains. And it’s not a fact that he will leave.
        And leaving Europe he will briefly say: “Now England is your main country. Ask the French from them.”
        1. 0
          April 12 2024 20: 42
          And NATO/EU under Bolt can defeat Russia in Ukraine right on the battlefield for as long as they like.

          That is, the SVO continues in its current format. Which Stalingrad is next in line after Bakhmut and Avdeevka? Chasov Yar?
          “Now you have England in charge. So ask the French from them.”

          This may be offensive to hear, but with the Russian Federation, a good old cordon sanitaire is enough.
          1. -1
            April 12 2024 21: 23
            Quote: Negro
            That is, the SVO continues in its current format.

            Let this be a surprise for you.
            Quote: Negro
            Which Stalingrad is next in line after Bakhmut and Avdeevka? Chasov Yar?

            There will be a lot more of this, but everything will happen much faster and more tragically for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
            Quote: Negro
            This may be offensive to hear, but with the Russian Federation, a good old cordon sanitaire is enough.

            Everything has its time .
            How do you like the decommunization of energy?
            Is it really more fun now?
            But we haven’t even started yet.
            1. +1
              April 12 2024 21: 32
              How do you like the decommunization of energy?
              Is it really more fun now?

              Nothing new, this was already done in the winter of 2022-2023. Back then, I must admit, such methods looked fresh, but not then. The vulnerable position of Kharkov is also no secret to anyone.
              There will be a lot more of this, but everything will happen much faster and more tragically for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

              Well, when it happens, then we’ll see. For now, as it is.
              1. -1
                April 12 2024 21: 52
                Quote: Negro
                Back then, I must admit, such methods looked fresh, but not then.

                I'm not talking about freshness, but about efficiency. The thermal power plants themselves are removed and not the substations as then. And the substations at 750 were not touched then. But now there are no such restrictions. It's only begining .
                Quote: Negro
                For now, as it is.

                So it’s spring, there’s a muddy road, the earth hasn’t dried out yet. Here comes the month of May fellow and everything will be more cheerful. We have nowhere to rush.
                1. +1
                  April 12 2024 21: 56
                  This is just the beginning .

                  We have nowhere to rush

                  Well, yes, it’s the third year. I write that, in principle, there is no need to change anything. Ukrainians, of course, may be unhappy, but we should have thought about this earlier.
  3. +6
    April 11 2024 06: 30
    While “competent” people are deciding what to do with Ukraine and NATO, these “competent” people have a huge mine planted nearby, which they are trying not to notice. They are condoning a future tragedy. They will not openly fight with us, they will simply blow it up from the inside.
    1. +5
      April 11 2024 06: 45
      ....these “competent” have a huge mine planted next to them
      the word "villa" in the sense of "on the Cote d'Azur" or "castle" in the sense of "in Scotland" is not written with four letters m, i, n, a.
      The examples of Chubais, Aven and Fridman - the last two were just lifted by a court in the EU - will help you to assess “what is huge hidden there.”
      If you go down to a lower level, you can pay attention to what was in the inventory of the property of the ordinary Minister of Economy Ulyukaev. And how much money he wanted, according to investigators.
      There are no mines anywhere. There are none, neither big nor small.

      And those who are not “competent” - well, I feel sorry for them, of course.
      1. +3
        April 11 2024 06: 51
        Well, if you see “mines” only in yesterday’s ones that went into circulation (although this is not certain), then okay. It’s a pity, of course, that it will be clear and visible only when it explodes.
        1. +5
          April 11 2024 07: 05
          Aven and Fridman did not go into circulation; this is the financial elite.
          If you are not interested in the financial elite, but are interested in where the political elite has “huge”, you can start studying with Solovyov, Vladimir Rudolfovich.
          Don’t worry about the elite, they are already worried enough about themselves.

          Of course it is sad
          Well, of course. Nothing was foreshadowed! Russians have never lived so well as in the “oil and gas noughties” and so on. In the city of Moscow, it was difficult to find a vegetable peeler for $1000 (more than 30 rubles) a month in public catering.

          It will be clear and visible only when it explodes.
          Hmm, well, you can read a Russian history textbook for the 20th century, everything is clearly written there about what happens “when it explodes.” Well, or just look at the maps, RI, USSR and RF - an educational comparison.
          1. +3
            April 11 2024 08: 32
            You can’t find a vegetable peeler? Well, not with the same stupid method as now. An example of the Persian Gulf countries, no? Or do we have our own homespun rakes? I’m really not interested in the financial elite.. We are from peasants.. Or as they recently put it - "smelly collective farmers" ...
            1. -2
              April 11 2024 08: 36
              Can't find a vegetable peeler?

              In the 10s of this century, for 30 rubles (1000 euros), only retired grandmothers went to work like this...
              1. +6
                April 11 2024 08: 41
                Yeah... This is how our people have lived wonderfully, under the sensitive leadership of Svetlilikogo... They don’t want to earn a pretty penny... Yes Actually, I live where people, local people take on any job. Street cleaners, vegetable peelers... Without attracting migrants... And the region, as they say, is “paradise”.. And Moscow? And the devil be with it, we live on another planet...
                1. 0
                  April 11 2024 17: 40
                  And Moscow? And the devil is with it, we live on another planet

                  Salaries, IMHO, are very different even now.
                  Although housing rent is expensive in Moscow, other expenses, IMHO, can be made less than in the regions.

                  Yeah... This is how our people have healed wonderfully
                  IMHO, up to a certain point, life in Moscow was more curly than in Portugal, as promised. Here we must pay tribute to Vladimir Vladimirovich - we have never lived so well as in the first ten years of the 21st century.

                  And the grandmothers, working as “root workers” for 1000 dollars, helped the children quite well with mortgages and other resorts.
                  1. +1
                    April 11 2024 19: 00
                    In the 10s, my salary was 20 kilo rubles. I was an automated control system engineer. It was considered quite high..
              2. +3
                April 11 2024 10: 44
                how quickly history is forgotten. In the 10th, as a lieutenant colonel in the army, I received about 20 rubles. And only after 000, when the promotion passed, I began to receive about 2012 rubles.
                1. -1
                  April 11 2024 17: 32
                  On January 2008, 816, you received $XNUMX.
                  On January 2018, 868, you received $XNUMX.
                  The difference is 52 bucks. Taking into account inflation over 10 years... still a good result.
                  1. +1
                    April 11 2024 19: 15
                    belay And how much has everything risen in price in ten years? Is it really 7%? And yes, what was the price like? I don’t follow it.
              3. +1
                April 11 2024 16: 52
                Let me remind you: Medvedev’s “reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs” spoke through the mouth of its prophet: from 2012, a police lieutenant will receive 30000 rubles!
                They did it, but now they won’t raise it until the next reform.
                In connection with this, the shortage is already approaching 30%, and few people want to work as a lieutenant or below; among generals the situation is easier.
    2. +1
      April 11 2024 08: 06
      There are many options for continuing the war. It seems to me that we need to wait for the results of the summer-autumn offensive of our army and draw certain conclusions based on the results. Now this is fortune telling on coffee grounds.
    3. 0
      April 11 2024 11: 08
      The mine is understandable to all nations... Incomprehensible to drivers.
  4. +4
    April 11 2024 06: 40
    In general, it is not clear - where should NATO rush?
    In this type of war, the country will have enough people and ammunition for a long time - the costs for the West are small. Throw in certain systems, slowly deploy the military-industrial complex. Our tanks, too, are not riveted in thousands, and losses in war (especially offensive) are obvious not only on one side.
    Nooo, NATO doesn’t need to rush here, it’s better to see what happens in three years.
    And to send in troops for technical support, logistics and support - they still exist now, but you can take over all air defense and command and control of troops and reconnaissance. As well as repairs and maintenance. Enter thousands a week - and no crisis, slowly and calmly.
  5. +13
    April 11 2024 06: 56
    The problem is that the leadership of the Russian Federation had no intention of fighting NATO, transferring billions of budget funds to the Alliance countries, settling their children there, and buying real estate there. Friedman, now, complains that a tragedy occurred - he was forced out of England. In the third year of the SVO. Moreover, all life guidelines of the Russian leadership are connected with the West. For example, even Friedman’s complaints, for some reason, do not lead to the question: Why did the Russian Federation join the WTO? And what is she doing there? The President ritually declares that the Russian Federation is ready to continue to participate in the “global division of labor,” forgetting, however, to add in what capacity. In this situation, the dog will bite its own tail faster than the Russian Federation will do anything against the “mother country.”
    1. +3
      April 11 2024 08: 54
      Eka, you are straight away tough. Let yourself be entertained by some fantasies. Yes
  6. 0
    April 11 2024 07: 07
    On the one hand, there is the West, whose goal since the 19th century has been to master the resources of Russia, on the other hand, Russian society, which by the end of the 20th century has generally ceased to have a clear idea of ​​how to live further. It all boiled down to “being integrated into civilization,” without understanding what that exactly meant.

    In short, squalor and stupidity, betrayal and theft opposed sophisticated calculations. And the result here is not difficult to predict. If we have not become different in a thousand years, then this is unlikely to happen in the near future. .

    NATO's transition to a policy of using force is fully consistent with the goals of the West.
    The main thing is goals, and how they are realized is a matter of tactics.
    1. +2
      April 11 2024 19: 05
      Quote: ivan2022
      On the one hand, there is the West, whose goal since the 19th century was to master the resources of Russia,

      Sorry, but before the age of 22 - who owned the resources of Russia??? laughing
      And now the president says that Russia is ready to return to the international division of labor - and our place in it has long been clear and accepted - a gas station.
      The question is not about resources - even now we are trying with all our might to impose them on the West, we sell them, and we just shove them in.
      The point is to know their place - like other raw material appendages - and not blather on their elders.
  7. +5
    April 11 2024 07: 08
    What is good for Russian oligarchs, Fridman, Aven and others, is good for Russia. smile
    1. +1
      April 11 2024 08: 53
      Too subtle irony and sarcasm. hi
    2. +1
      April 11 2024 09: 23
      This would be funny, of course, if it weren't so sad. Most likely, these “comrades” sponsored you know who.
    3. +4
      April 11 2024 11: 20
      Quote: parusnik
      What is good for Russian oligarchs, Fridman, Aven and others, is good for Russia.

      Ugh. What nasty things you say. After all, it was said:
      Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich said on Bloomberg TV:
      “I don’t think we have oligarchs, that was a concept in the 1990s. Now we have good hard-working socially responsible businessmen who care about the country and earn money by doing responsible business,” said the Deputy Prime Minister.


      Putin defeated all the olegarchs a long time ago.
      1. +2
        April 11 2024 11: 54
        Yeah, businessmen with high social responsibility and businessmen with low social responsibility.."Original, lieutenant, mouse in.." (c)
      2. +1
        April 11 2024 13: 40
        According to the principle: “If you can’t win, lead.”
  8. +3
    April 11 2024 07: 09
    Thank you, Alexander!
    The article, as far as I understand, is about a possible agreement with the collective West regarding Ukraine.
    In analytical work there is always a danger of being captured by one’s theory and of interpreting all the facts in its light: what works for it is considered an unconditional confirmation, what refutes it is considered a disguise or a random event. This article is written approximately in this spirit.
    Practically non-stop exercises that are clearly provocative in nature. Alliance soldiers either land on the coast, or attack some fortifications very similar to ours, or block our fleet in the Baltic, and so on. Up to simulating a limited nuclear strike.
    In such a situation, the question quite reasonably arises: what is NATO preparing for?

    Actually, based on the content of this excerpt, it follows:
    - preparations are being made for the landing of alliance troops on the coast;
    - attack on our fortifications;
    - blockade of our fleet in the Baltic;
    - and so on, including a limited nuclear strike.
    In such a situation, it is quite clear what NATO is preparing for - a war with us, on the former territory of the USSR. Unless, of course, something top-secret is planned, and in parallel, exercises are being conducted by a group unknown to us to solve fundamentally different problems. But since the grouping in Europe is quite transparent to our intelligence, no alternatives to NATO’s war with us are foreseen.
    I pause, otherwise the computer freezes.
  9. +8
    April 11 2024 07: 20
    For all the “superiority” of the alliance, the West understands perfectly well that a direct conflict with Moscow will have approximately the same result as sanctions imposed on a permanent basis. The answer will be much more powerful than the blow. And given the population density in Europe, it is much more destructive for all spheres of life of Europeans.

    Here is the clearest illustration when a certain moment in history is mythologized as an axiom. Yes, it was in the 70s - 80s of the last century. That’s when the alliance was forced to fuss and play with “detente”, humanism, universal values ​​and other nonsense that is sensitive to ardent young men and senile elders.
    Today, given two years of demonstrating the spinelessness of our foreign policy, the preparation for a war with us has moved from the ideological plane to the practical stage.
  10. +4
    April 11 2024 07: 42
    Based on this logic, some NATO countries may well introduce their units into the territory.

    The planes take part in hostilities, but are based at Polish airfields...

    At the same time, a huge (up to 100 thousand) number of troops are located on the border with Belarus.

    I imagine this occupation scenario.
    First, units of countries claiming these territories enter, and then, in an emergency, NATO strike systems are deployed there. There is logic in these actions. The lands were returned to the alliance members, which means the bloc has the right to place whatever it wants there...
    Thus, either NATO partially solves the problem of the next “advance to the east”, or Russia becomes the initiator of a global war.

    It is again clear that NATO is systematically preparing for war in Europe, most likely from the Barents to the Black Sea, and our analysts are wondering whether they will go or not, and continue to walk on the razor’s edge.
    And it was also fun:
    It’s just that no one is going to ask us... but personally, I feel comfortable when much of what happens around us depends on our decision. Whether we agree to something or not. If a country respects itself, then other countries will respect it.

    I want to believe in the best, but I’m afraid the phrase “We haven’t started yet” is not about us, but about them. And if it is possible to complete these NATO endeavors, this must be done.
    1. +2
      April 11 2024 12: 16
      and if, for example, we assume that our analysts have long been a resident in America and have a ranch in Kansas or an apartment near Kalugin in Miami))?
  11. -1
    April 11 2024 09: 28
    Of course there will be, a trigger will be found and forward... It’s not for nothing that the West is already openly declaring that the Russian Federation is the last colonial state - this is to divide the great country into uluses, and then tidy up the parts, some to the West in the EU, some to the East , not at all to Japan .. Although these will dance with tambourines for the islands ..
    1. 0
      April 11 2024 10: 06
      Quote: AlexFly
      Of course there will be, a trigger will be found and forward... It’s not for nothing that the West is already openly declaring that the Russian Federation is the last colonial state - this is to divide the great country into uluses, and then tidy up the parts, some to the West in the EU, some to the East , not at all to Japan .. Although these will dance with tambourines for the islands ..

      Well, they showed weakness. Like the USSR in the Finnish War, so is Russia in the Northern Military District. For several years now he has not been able to overcome the stale one.
      Only the USSR at one time quickly stopped the war and began a radical restructuring of the army. But we are happy with the progress of the SVO and everything is according to plan.
    2. 0
      April 11 2024 15: 50
      and then tidy up piece by piece

      A small clarification: to tidy up territories WITHOUT the Russian population (in the broad interpretation of this definition).
      1. ada
        -1
        April 11 2024 18: 23
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        ... tidy up territories WITHOUT the Russian population ...

        Greetings, Victor!
        Absolutely right - without! But something else becomes obvious - they no longer feel sorry for the “non-indigenous population” of S-AK, therefore it is likely to assume that the idea prevails over calculation there, then - it’s exciting, a real show and how invigorating the old body is, here it is - real life . True, then the TV penetrates the head already at the elementary level under the influence of the flow of elementary particles and their temporary co-vector connections. In the meantime, you can try the ice cream...
        There was a certain Aron here, asking all sorts of things, what’s going on there, and what about the North Military District, so I answered him on the question of the goals and objectives of the North Military District and where, according to the “primer book,” the Amerig’s abomination will carry and pour out its “Tide” deoxygenated, when the line is outlined along the barrier areas of the terrain in the most advantageous disposition of the opposing forces, provided by the natural conditions of the theater of operations, namely the coastline and directly the wetness of the river itself, dividing the Unforgettable into the Right Bank and Left Bank parts by shovels: to you Aron, to you on the BV, but not for a visit, but sell a prepared packet of miracle powder to maintain the natural cycle of “washing” in nature.
        Chet, I haven’t seen him lately on the pages of VO, is everything good there in BV?
        winked
        1. +1
          April 12 2024 06: 00
          Good morning, Dmitriy!
          This remark of yours “idea prevails over calculation” is correct. All their calculations only serve the promotion of the idea, which is sent down to the performers from above as an axiom. And all these presidents, congressmen, officials and bureaucrats are servants promoting this idea. So any negotiations with the performers are pointless. Strategic decisions are made at a level closed to our management.
          Hence the flawed ideas of the “negotiator” until their top leaders adjust their approach.
  12. +1
    April 11 2024 10: 35
    The candidate countries, as you call them, have their own interests, which do not deeply conflict with Russia’s. A clash can only happen over Odessa and Ishmael: NATO and Washington know about this and therefore warn Macron that Article 5 is not applicable in his case.
  13. +3
    April 11 2024 10: 52
    NATO has no depletion of weapons reserves. This is propaganda. They have been preparing for war with the USSR for decades; just like us, they have plenty of warehouses with weapons. They can easily supply any weapon for years.
    Having played with foreign policy, our government has forgotten about the principle of reciprocity. We had dozens of diplomats expelled, but we did not expel them, but gave them tickets to the Kremlin Christmas tree.
    Therefore, if at first NATO members were afraid to get punched in the teeth, now they are boldly sending their soldiers to Ukraine, not to mention weapons, the Ukrainians are poisoning our soldiers with chemicals, and are preparing to use aviation, and maybe they are already using them from Polish airfields. Even UAVs are launched across St. Petersburg from Estonia without fear.
  14. +4
    April 11 2024 11: 12
    Nobody wants a big war, neither Russia nor NATO. However, the Second World War also began without the desire to start a world war, so anything can happen.

    I hope those who make decisions have enough common sense.
    1. -1
      April 11 2024 11: 24
      That is, Hitler did not intend to conquer Poland?
      1. +5
        April 11 2024 11: 59
        I was going to, but I figured I could get away with it. Like Czechoslovakia. I was planning a special military operation, but this is how it turned out.
      2. +2
        April 11 2024 12: 10
        Quote: Igor1915
        That is, Hitler did not intend to conquer Poland?


        Initially, he wanted to get only the Polish corridor, then he decided that he could achieve this only by defeating Poland. He did not believe in the war with England and France until the very end.
  15. +2
    April 11 2024 11: 23
    He will not fight, he will strangle him in all directions and undermine the situation from the inside.
  16. +2
    April 11 2024 13: 17
    As long as the Kyiv regime can resist, NATO will not get involved themselves, but only with weapons and advisers with mercenaries for the Kyiv regime
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    1. -1
      April 11 2024 22: 22
      given the deplorable state of the Russian army

      Well, not deplorable, but not brilliant either. Problems with weapons. In the summer we will find out how much they have been resolved. If we continue to butt heads in the Donbass until the fall, then our problems will not be solved. We are waiting!!!
    2. 0
      April 12 2024 12: 14
      Russia is at war, why does it need to sell its weapons, it needs them itself.
  18. 0
    April 12 2024 00: 30
    It’s like in a professional ring, when amateur boxers want to reach the professional level. Yes, there were trainings, yes, they met in the ring in friendly competition, and they lost if necessary. But the Russia-Ukraine conflict is not checkers, or even chess, it is a game without rules, but only based on the rules of war. Did the gentlemen from NATO prepare you for this?
  19. osp
    +1
    April 12 2024 00: 31
    Quote: Alcatraz25
    Russia only needs to hope that NATO does not get involved in the conflict. Russia is weakened by the war, the army is in complete collapse, they are afraid only of nuclear weapons and nothing more. There is no need to create illusions about the “power” of Russia and the Kremlin, who have been conducting a conditional “three-day” special operation for the third year, barely pushing back the enemy, who basically has no air force, no attack helicopters, no navy, few missiles, little air defense. Russia has even slipped to third place in arms sales, behind France, since the “successes” of the Russian army, which suffered three strategic defeats in 2022 and has so far failed to defeat and defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces, do not inspire optimism at the international level. So, here we can only hope that either an agreement will be reached soon, or at the very least, in who knows how many years, Russia will simply overwhelm Ukraine with numbers and will be able to take back territories at least as far as Kyiv and Odessa, but this is unlikely, given the deplorable state of the Russian army

    And I’ll remind you one more thing.
    The last Siberian reactor producing weapons-grade plutonium was closed in 2009 in the presence of the American ambassador.
    Before that, it worked for many years at a minimum as a nuclear power plant; it was necessary to heat closed cities in Siberia before the construction of conventional thermal power plants there.
    But by Yeltsin’s decree of 1995, purchases of weapons-grade plutonium were stopped.
    Its operating time was significantly reduced even under Gorbachev.
    What do we have?
    What we have is that there is essentially no other weapons-grade plutonium in Russia other than Soviet plutonium.
    And most of the charges (including tactical ones) are still of Soviet production.
    It is unknown whether the contents there were cleaned of decay fragments and neutron poisons, but it is unlikely.
    The charges are 35-40 years old.
    Nuclear tests have not been carried out for a long time, perhaps they tried but failed.
    Western intelligence knows about everything.
    1. -1
      April 12 2024 12: 17
      There is a moratorium on nuclear testing. Don't write nonsense. If Western intelligence services knew about everything, that with nuclear charges everything is so bad according to you, then they would have bombed Moscow long ago. And since they don’t bomb, it means everything is fine with Russian nuclear weapons, and even more than that.
      1. osp
        0
        April 12 2024 13: 27
        They don’t need to bomb Moscow even if everything is bad.
        They are perfectly happy with the current format of the conflict in Ukraine.
        Russia is suffering irreversible losses in demographics and other resources.
        And no one knows when this will end.
  20. 0
    April 12 2024 00: 59
    Whether or not there will be a war with NATO depends entirely on the Kremlin. Co-habitation, indecision, belief in a return to the “holy times” of the Kremlin, betrayal of the people of Russia, are pushing NATO to war. Issue a Law that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, is an integral part of Russia and tomorrow all the wishes of NATO and their satellites will disappear, NATO will have to develop a new concept against Russia, and this will not take a single year. Not recognizing the law and sending NATO troops into the territory of Ukraine, which according to the law is Russia, is immediately a nuclear third world war. No one from NATO will ever agree to this; their own lives are more valuable than Ukraine. In NATO, freeloaders are used to taking everything for free, but here they will have to pay with their lives. I repeat. The fate of Ukraine, the war with NATO, depends only on the decision of the Kremlin.
  21. +1
    April 12 2024 09: 31
    The adversary has nowhere to rush. They have definitely already decided that there will be a war with the Russian Federation. Now, as planned as they know how, they will place their troops around us; when they realize that they are ready, they will strike. And now their main task is to deplete our human and material resources and feed the fifth column. The fifth column in our country has two heads: traditional Westerners and now migrants have been added. When all the stars align, NATO will strike us
    1. -1
      April 12 2024 12: 21
      The Russian military doctrine states that there will be no war with NATO with conventional weapons, but only with nuclear weapons.
  22. +1
    April 12 2024 15: 55
    Let's not forget about the West's plans for 2025. The preparation of a counter-offensive next year is still talked about today as a reality. However, these plans now have to be significantly adjusted. Hopes that the Ukrainians will repeat the feat of our soldiers in repelling the counter-offensive of 2023 are crumbling almost daily. The Russian meat grinder works properly!..
    ... again we get a situation in which much depends on the adequacy of the political leadership.

    I'm tired of writing about the same thing. The West intends to strengthen and rearm Ukraine. And it is expected that this will happen by 2025. And this means that Russia must crush the Ukrainian Armed Forces before the fall, i.e. Our window of opportunity is six months. Are the aircraft ready for this? Big question. And this needs to be done. There is nowhere to go. Even through the use of tactical nuclear weapons, if conventional weapons are not enough. Is our... GDP ready for this?
  23. +1
    April 12 2024 18: 27
    Why NATO exercises? Three pillars - demonstrating (to us, to ourselves) one's own potency, maintaining readiness ("on paper" like for anything), ensuring non-contact pressure on us (it's like a staring game).
    In addition, NATO, in the process of pressure, regularly probes the boundaries of what is permissible, gradually shifting the “pink lines” where they shift. This is in order to feel under the meat and fat the bones that they will try to break first if something happens. After all, the real security architecture is precisely bones, and meat and fat is a “sticky defense” designed to stretch, disperse, and slow down the enemy.

    Will we go to war with NATO? At the moment, there is no consensus in NATO on how to overcome the threat posed by us. The old concept involves our own instability and indulgence in it, so that we periodically do "PSHSHSHSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH but our own instability and indulgence in it. from internal reasons, releasing gas in the form of handouts, territories and improved positions for NATO. For NATO is still a fundamentally defensive bloc, although over time its “defense” has evolved into “providing beneficial stability” for the beneficiary countries. This cannot be called a full-fledged offensive, but this is no longer a classic defense. NATO supports an architecture that is beneficial to itself, including those that are not part of NATO. Well, you know, like a house and surrounding area.
    If NATO, as in the good old days, believes that over time we will make another “PSHSH!” and let’s release the next portion, they will continue to make scary and very scary faces, thresh pans with frying pans, conduct exercises, etc.
    If they decide to take actions of a different nature, then it will definitely not be “right off the bat” - we will see an absolutely clear preparatory period. This will not be a torture exercise, but a large-scale deployment of industry on both sides of the ocean, the transfer of a carload of missile defense systems to Europe, the importation of a couple of hundred thousand military personnel for permanent residence, amendments to mobile laws at internal levels, amendments to combat deployment plans and long-term changes in operational readiness.

    So far, it has only been indicated by various profiteroles, something like “we need to prepare for war with Russia in 2028.” Well, it’s necessary, it’s necessary to chat, not move bags - for now it’s mostly chatter through “scary, very scary, creepy, very creepy.” It is necessary to monitor the dynamics of actual growth.
    The devil is in the details, therefore the devil is in the analysis.
  24. -1
    April 12 2024 19: 40
    They will ruin the rank and file; there can be no real war with NATO. Russian ministers, deputies, generals in NATO countries have money, families, houses, businesses, lovers and all that. The Russian authorities will do whatever they order.
  25. 0
    April 13 2024 21: 42
    i]"...I think that work in the areas that I described above is being carried out by fairly competent people who do not need advice..."[/i][quote][/quote]

    ...COMPETENT people... Their “competence” has been in question for thirty years now...
    Perhaps the only thing that can be called a brilliant operation by truly competent people... is the bloodless return of the Crimean peninsula...
    ...But it can be seen that those competent people - due to the “alleged” uselessness (according to the “Moor” principle) - having rewarded (or maybe not rewarded) - were quickly fired..., less competent “people”...
    After all, a competent specialist, for those, is a very inconvenient employee and an unwanted competitor...
    This already exists - a long-standing vile Russian tradition...)))))))))))
    It is unlikely that things would be the way they actually are now with the SVO, if the “work” had been carried out by truly competent people...
  26. 0
    April 14 2024 01: 03
    I don’t know whether this is good or bad, but I personally feel comfortable when much of what happens around us also depends on our decision.

    Since the Referendum of 90 on the preservation of the USSR, absolutely nothing depends on your decision. wink laughing