EAEU members in Central Asia abandon the Russian Mir system

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EAEU members in Central Asia abandon the Russian Mir system


"Mir" and the EAEU


On April 3, the media was full of reports about the termination of the work of the Mir system cards in Kyrgyzstan. In general, this became an occasion to remember in which neighboring countries problems have already arisen with the “World” cards, and also to look for information about where these problems may still arise.



It cannot be said that the question belongs to the category of ordinary ones, even despite its familiarity News from the category of “another sanctions”. After all, “Mir” is a full-fledged payment system, and a national system, into which considerable funds have been invested since 2015. Now the system has problems in Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and soon, obviously, in Tajikistan. This is not to mention countries not in the closest circle, such as South Korea or Turkey.

However, in this particular case, the severity of the problem is not determined by past investments or image costs.

It is clear that when South Korea or Cyprus refuse to work with our payment system, it is unpleasant, but generally tolerable.

When problems arise in Turkey, this already raises certain questions about building bilateral cooperation. But when this begins to concern work in Kazakhstan (member of the EAEU), Armenia (member of the EAEU), Kyrgyzstan (member of the EAEU), Uzbekistan (not a participant, but quite seriously dependent on income from labor migration), then questions of a deeper nature arise.

So what kind of economic association has been built over the years under the EAEU brand?

It’s good that the information about the termination of work with the Mir system by Belarus turned out to be incorrect.

As with the issues of migration (legal or not), there are two ways to go here.

The first way is to discuss the problem itself, the second way is to search for its roots. And just as in terms of migration, digging up the roots, we will inevitably come to the concept of the EAEU (as intended) and its practical implementation (as it happened), and in the issue of the payment system we will again find ourselves at this root.

Sanctions against NSPK JSC (the national operator of the Mir system), introduced on February 23, 2024, will be quite workable due to the fact that the “common economic space” is de facto not entirely common.

In itself, the US “sanctions hunt” for other people’s payment systems has long been a kind of norm. If only because such transactions fall out of the direct field of view of their financial monitoring. Finding them through subsequent traces is already quite expensive for the same American OFAC.

There are quite a lot of such payment systems operating in the Middle East, but no matter how much the United States tries to cope with them by reducing dollar receipts through the “wrong channels,” this turns out to be difficult even in Lebanon. But in terms of work between Russia and Central Asia, not to mention other countries, and regarding the national system, this is easier to do.

Why this happens and what to do about it, you can try to figure it out.

Why is this happening?


For an ordinary user, a payment system is, first of all, an opportunity to make payments and receive funds in countries where the payment system operates without significant costs. But these transactions are just the tip of the iceberg, but its base just shows whether we are simply dealing with a mechanism for transferring money from point A to point B, or with a common economic space, or, more precisely, a common cost space.

Sanctions regarding the Russian NSPK were expected. If only because after the start of the SVO, the NSPK “switched over” the work of both the Mir system tools and the accounts associated with issued cards of international payment systems - Visa and MasterCard. Cards previously issued under these systems by Russian banks continue to work.

This is a huge gap in profitability for these operators and significant difficulties for American and European financial monitoring in obtaining information.

If they can still obtain information about international transactions of legal entities in different ways through the “compliance procedure,” then this administrative machine is not able to cope with the data of individuals through such a filter. Or rather, she can cope, but it’s long and difficult.

As a result, as it was discussed in some detail material “Türkiye and secondary sanctions. About what we still have to experience in trade,” all US actions are in one way or another aimed at ending any cooperation with an individual or legal entity related to Russian jurisdiction. In this case, this is the basic operator for payments to individuals - NSPK.

Does this mean that it is basically impossible to send and receive money transfers?

No, because even before the full-fledged operation of Mir, similar “simple clearing” schemes existed and worked, but what is today called the “ecosystem,” which is always built around a full-fledged payment system, will, of course, not function. Similar ecosystems associated with other payment instruments, as in the situation with the Chinese UnionPay, will not operate.

The meaning of such an operation is clear - sooner or later all transactions will have to be concentrated within Russian jurisdiction. At the same time, it cannot be said that Russia holds the palm over the United States in this regard - Iran was the first to be cut off on this front. Here we are more likely to catch up with the Iranians.

Iranian experience


By the way, neither Mir, nor Visa, nor MasterCard, nor even UnionPay worked and do not work in Iran.

The pleasure that awaits us after some time is rather dubious. Apply for UnionPay directly in the countries you visit, make cards from local banks, and for those who live in style between tourism and relocation, it remains to use crypto-tools more widely.

In theory, it would be possible to invite more foreign banks to Russia that are interested in servicing at least tourist flows, but here again the problem is that the bank will need to register as a Russian legal entity, which will again raise the question of the work of the same UnionPay.

In general, in the long term, this will most likely result in a unique version of the Iranian system of financial representative offices, when a branch of a Russian bank will be opened in one of the countries (in the Iranian case, this is simply a local intermediary operator), which will accept transfers to Russia in currency and hand it over to the visiting country for subsequent depositing into a local account and working with local cards or the again ubiquitous UnionPay. It will be possible for enthusiasts to get used to this, but not right away.

Slowly but surely, the Russian economy, when working on the external track, is shifting and will continue to shift towards payments related to the yuan, both in countries close to us, such as Central Asia, and simply with those with whom there are regular trade relations. This is happening in terms of the work of legal entities, and now it will also affect individuals.

Our problem is that we will not be able to fully utilize Iranian experience. The circulation of cash dollars and the system of their exchange in Iran is tied to the financial, but non-banking sector in the Middle East (for more details, see below). “Why have Lebanese finances come under US scrutiny?”), the long-functioning offshore system for accepting oil payments and the associated UK and German banks are now increasingly shifting towards payments by China directly in yuan and the supply of goods and equipment under long-term investment contracts.

Creating a network similar to the Middle East in the remnants of the post-Soviet space is an unrealistic task. If only because, unlike that region, in Central Asia there is no excess of cash dollars that would ensure its functioning.

What remains are direct payments by legal entities through SPFS (financial message transmission system) - more and more with a bias in the yuan, and only partly in the ruble, and very little in local currencies. Transfers in rubles, similar to simple clearing like the well-known “Golden Crown”, and even then, over time, more and more through the transfer and receipt of funds in cash.

China deliberately does not force the growth of global payments in yuan, rather carefully manipulating both with Iran between the use of the so-called. yuan internal and external (reserve foreign trade currency), gradually narrowing the room for maneuver for Russia. He does this with the help of Western Europe and the USA, without showing any initiative, quite reasonably expecting that the cream will gradually turn into butter on its own.

It is difficult not to see that such large players as Iran and Russia are increasingly moving into the Chinese economic system, and with them the countries of Central Asia will slowly move there.

About 20% of their foreign trade turnover falls on Russia and, taking into account the fact that China’s share there is already above 40% (the rest falls on the EU), Beijing is quietly taking over the Russian share of trade. In the long term, working to limit and displace the influence of the EU. Europe is responding by increasing its direct investment programs, but it can be seen that blind adherence to American sanctions here is likely to work against Europe’s influence in the region and contributes to the growth of China’s influence.

The future of the EAEU


In this regard, as with the issue of labor migration, it is again reasonable to raise the question of how Russia sees the future of the EAEU?

The EAEU was not intended to be just a free trade zone. This was initially a value cluster project, where there is a common system of exchange trading and depositories, joint clearing systems and, at the top of the pyramid, a unified banking settlement system and payment system for individuals.

All in all, this gives the total cost of goods and services, as well as the synergy of economies, by the way, and an adequate distribution of labor resources between the participants, but the parts, although built well, like the “World” system, but separately, are vulnerable and do not bring results.

Obviously, in previous years we could not act like China, flooding regional markets with goods first, but we could invest in joint production. As a result, they chose their own separate path - the incorporation of labor resources and an emphasis on the payment system, while not even developing ruble payments until recently, not issuing ruble loans, etc.

It is possible to lament what has not been done, but, as usual, these emotions are counterproductive, in the language of modern diplomacy.

The situation in the field of migration, and now calls with payment systems, show again and again that the concept of the EAEU needs to be revised: shifting from the unrealizable and generally unprofitable (unfortunately) idea in the current conditions of a common value zone to the previous concept of the Customs Union, where priority allocated only to essential transit trade flows.
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  1. +24
    April 8 2024 05: 27
    A set of words. The EAEU, like the CIS, was created only to cover up the collapse of the Union and provide a sinecure for “its” officials. These structures did not provide any real integration. Moreover, taking into account the fact that the leadership of almost all the former Soviet republics has significant assets in the West, the United States only had to step on their tail so that they would forget about the “projects” with the Russian Federation.
    1. +17
      April 8 2024 05: 59
      Why then do we need these parasitic fellow travelers? Let them live as they please, in their own villages
      1. +5
        April 8 2024 06: 38
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        in their villages

        With your donkeys.
      2. +14
        April 8 2024 07: 11
        I just let them live in their own camps. Let them come as if on duty and return home in a few months. But for this, it seems that today’s government will have to change; it does not need the indigenous educated population!!!
        1. +18
          April 8 2024 07: 20
          And I’m not against it. Just like they did in the Persian Gulf countries. Work, but no citizenship, families and life in a ghetto, behind a fence. The Slavs live like that there too.
          1. +9
            April 8 2024 07: 41
            I agree that there is no citizenship for Asians, they worked and went home to the village. Grant citizenship after 10 years of residence only to highly qualified specialists.
            1. ANB
              +4
              April 9 2024 01: 53
              . Grant citizenship after 10 years of residence only to highly qualified specialists.

              It's better not to give it to anyone. Who will determine how high the qualification is?
      3. +9
        April 8 2024 08: 22
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Why then do we need these parasitic travel companions?

        That's right!
        If you don’t want “PEACE”, get “___” instead of labor migration (also 3 letters)
      4. -1
        April 9 2024 00: 26
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Why then do we need these parasitic fellow travelers? Let them live as they please, in their own villages

        In principle, only for one thing, if there are no resources there, for the security of Russia itself. The Taliban, by the way, in military terms, will unwind all 3 Uzbek-Tajik-Turkmenistan armies once or twice. There will be an ISIS effect in Iraq and Syria in 2013-2014, since there are a lot of Taliban sympathizers within these countries. In addition to the Taliban, as is known, the Afghan ISIS is growing, and this is said to be a large and dangerous group.
        1. -1
          April 15 2024 14: 51
          karabas-barabas. April 9, 2024 00:26. New. your - "....In addition to the Taliban, as you know, the Afghan ISIS is growing, and this is what they say is already a large and dangerous group...."
          Thank you for your concern for our safety. BUT! crying
          It's no longer a secret. What ISIS was created and controlled from the United States. bully
          It has been reported more than once. that a significant part of the ISIS leadership transported by NATO military transport aircraft to Afghanistan.
          In Syria, not only terrorists were selected and trained at US bases. but also lower and middle levels for organizing ISIS cells and coordinating their actions.
          am
          We need a real border with Kazakhstan with preparations to meet a possible “campaign” through Kazakhstan (via Tajikistan, etc.). Information on this topic has been floating around for a long time. A to disperse forces and means (especially ours) across the territories of unreliable (see behavior as in national economic and ideological politics) “partners”. So as not to wash ourselves with blood again and lament - “we were deceived.” fool How many times incl. and from this direction, see the history from the Republic of Ingushetia to the Russian Federation.
          We need reasonable progmatism. We can’t be like the USA and we are impudent. Let's. like China. tough and progmatic without pink..... feel
          1. 0
            April 15 2024 20: 43
            Quote: boni592807
            We need reasonable progmatism

            Your conspiracy theories, which for some reason always start - we all know... are not interesting to me. ISIS was formed by a dozen survivors of the Iraqi group Al Sahakivi of the Al Qaeda branch in Iraq, and at the beginning of 2012 they somehow took their feet away from Iraq, where in recent years they had been heavily “washed in the toilet” by the Iraqi authorities, dominated by the Shiites. In Syria, they clung to Al Nusra and soon, having organized the most radical and powerful detachment in Al Nusra, they split Al Nusra and until 2014-2015 they grew like a snowball, returning to Iraq in 2013 and capturing several provinces there. Just in 2013, when ISIS was already standing in front of Irbil and Baghdad, the Iraqi authorities ran to the United States to ask for help. Then the United States began bombing ISIS in Iraq, sent its special forces to help the Iraqi armed forces, and thus drove ISIS back to Syria. Where did you see the cooperation of the Americans with ISIS? If you have any interesting journalistic investigations, please provide a link.
    2. +3
      April 8 2024 06: 59
      Quote: Boris Sergeev
      These structures did not provide any real integration.


      No, the idea was interesting, it’s another matter that they couldn’t implement what they wanted and this is what happened. And so a single sales market/cooperation in industry/production/a single currency could be in the future, etc. such an EU 2.0 could have turned out... but something was missing.
      1. +3
        April 8 2024 07: 34
        Was there an "idea"? In 2017, Kazakh assets were blocked in several Western countries at once and Nazarbayev immediately came to the United States to bow.
      2. +2
        April 8 2024 14: 48
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        No, the idea was interesting, it’s another matter that they couldn’t implement what they wanted and this is what happened. And so a single sales market/cooperation in industry/production/a single currency could be in the future, etc. such an EU 2.0 could have turned out... but something was missing.

        With unity in the idea, how could it be possible to bring Latvian piranhas with their own banking software? Someone snatched the bride price again? Well, well... We can live without them, will they live without us?! They just won’t let these crucian carp swim in the pond - over there, in the kushers, the pike squinted, muttering something in Chinese...
        1. ANB
          0
          April 9 2024 01: 55
          . Latvian piranhas with their banking software

          What is this?
  2. +1
    April 8 2024 05: 52
    It is only possible to unite state economies. There will always be competition among private companies. And each of these forces will care primarily about their own safety.
  3. +9
    April 8 2024 06: 04
    fraternal peoples multinationality tolerance deceived by a knife in the back from partners Moscow seamstress Moscow seamstress abyr abyr abyrvalg give me a cigarette your striped trousers)
    1. +2
      April 8 2024 14: 43
      Abyrvalg! drinks ................................................................
      1. +1
        April 8 2024 20: 18
        Will you beat me, dad? I was wounded on the Kolchak fronts.)))
  4. +1
    April 8 2024 06: 15
    what kind of cooperation is there, those who are richer are like spiders in a jar, and the rest are parasites and beggars
  5. +1
    April 8 2024 10: 00
    The EAEU needs to be reconsidered: moving from the unrealizable and generally unprofitable (unfortunately) idea in the current conditions of a common value zone to the previous concept of the Customs Union

    Reanimation of the Customs Union is, of course, possible (this format is simpler and more understandable to participants than the EAEU). But he too will face the same obstacles!
    1. +4
      April 8 2024 12: 02
      Reanimation of the Customs Union, of course...

      will encounter the problem that
      1. The Russian economy is much larger than the Central Asian countries.
      2. Russia itself is under sanctions and is trying to wage a sanctions war with the West.
      As a result, Russia will be forced to make decisions within the framework of this sanctions war that affect other countries of the Customs Union.
      That is, these countries will be forced to take part in this sanctions war one way or another. Which they are clearly not interested in.
      Now, for a full-fledged Customs Union, it is not enough to adopt some joint customs rules; the situation is not the same. We are talking about a deep political alliance, and no one, except perhaps Belarus, is ready for this.
    2. +3
      April 8 2024 17: 24
      Hardly. I think that at this rate we will get there anyway. In two years, this entire regulatory framework will simply work and so, God forbid, at 1/4. It’s hard to say what could prevent this, and whether anyone needs it yet winked winked
  6. +5
    April 8 2024 10: 04
    1. Politics is a concentrated expression of economics.

    2. As long as internal economic ties and industrial cooperation of the CIS, EEU, Brix, New Silk Road do not exceed external ones, all these projects are like the straw house of Naf-Naf, which collapsed at the first breath of wind.

    3. Economic orientation of the CIS, EEU, New Road and Brix towards trade with the collective West - USA-EU-Britain-Canada-Japan-India-Indonesia-South Korea-Australia-S.Arabia and others. 130 state entities of the world voted in the second summit of democracies against the Northern Military District of the Russian Federation in Ukraine predetermines the dominance of the dollar in world trade and its use as a weapon to undermine the economy of any state entities, and primarily those cooperating with the Russian Federation within the framework of the CIS, EEU, New Road and Brix, which makes their ruling classes fear possible sanctions for relations with the enemy of the USA and the entire collective West No. 1
  7. 0
    April 8 2024 10: 27
    How much money was wasted. We urgently need to introduce visa regimes with these non-states and develop a real border with Kazakhstan. Is it expensive? Yes, not more expensive than SVO. The same with Azerbaijan and Georgia. About Ukraine, we’ll wait for the Northern Military District for now.
    1. +3
      April 8 2024 10: 33
      So, in order to introduce a visa regime, it is necessary to a) revise the EAEU’s regulatory framework, b) revise bilateral agreements with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, c) also revise the CIS framework. It is doubtful that they will do this, taking into account the fact that the hype will rise, saying that they “lost the geopolitical space” and all that. There is no doubt that it needs to be reconsidered, but...
    2. +4
      April 8 2024 14: 37
      Yeah. And in 5-10 years, a British base will suddenly appear in the Uralsk region, similar to the one that appeared on the eve of the Northern Military District in Ochakov. Non-states tend to sell out. Especially those nationalities that have poor self-esteem in history. If Georgia has already burned the incense of nationalism, then what will happen to the Kazakh juzes? Just give them a chance. And your fence is just a chance!
    3. -1
      April 8 2024 14: 40
      Quote: zharyoff
      How much money was wasted. We urgently need to introduce visa regimes with these non-states and develop a real border with Kazakhstan. Is it expensive? Yes, not more expensive than SVO. The same with Azerbaijan and Georgia. About Ukraine, we’ll wait for the Northern Military District for now.

      While the border with the “heirs of the Golden Horde” is being established, it is necessary to revive full-fledged Cossack settlements. So that everything is like under the Tsar-Father, with weapons, patrolling of border areas and decent funding. To help the Cossacks keep the DShG PV. There will be some sense.
      1. +8
        April 8 2024 18: 53
        Guys, why did you decide to return to the century before last? All developed countries, on the contrary, are removing borders and customs and uniting. Will we isolate ourselves from everyone? Look for the problem in the wrong place. The problem is within Russia, everything is simple - we need to build a rich and fair state here, so that everyone around them wants to be friends with us, so that all countries envy us, so that our people do not flee the country. For a person to live better in Russia than anywhere else, then all other problems will decrease.
  8. +7
    April 8 2024 10: 50
    The problem can be solved simply: you innocently ask such countries and banks what they prefer - sanctions from the Americans or denial of access to Russian markets and Russian goods. You can also find irregularities in migration. And then look.
    1. +1
      April 8 2024 13: 50
      I see the "cons" have gone. Does anyone not like it?
    2. +2
      April 8 2024 14: 35
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      The problem can be solved simply: you innocently ask such countries and banks what they prefer - sanctions from the Americans or denial of access to Russian markets and Russian goods. You can also find irregularities in migration. And then look.

      And the fly, don’t forget the humpback fly! Works great, damn!
    3. RMT
      0
      April 9 2024 15: 14
      "you ask such countries and banks what they prefer - sanctions from the Americans or denial of access to Russian markets and Russian goods"
      Do you think those "countries and banks" haven't made a choice yet? And you won’t scare anyone with “violations in migration.” The Government of the Russian Federation controls the process, and President Putin sets tasks for it.
  9. +6
    April 8 2024 12: 26
    I see the EAEU, like the CIS, as a sort of talking shop “with some ceremonial instruments and some useful filling.” But, first of all, it is a talking shop. For many years, we were satisfied with the feeling of our own importance from the fact that all these colorful comrades, whom we feed by hand, periodically visit us on various round and square dates, squeeze crab, nod their heads while listening to GDP, take photos there and are kind of stupid the boomers sign. And in between this they could quietly sail away “after the fact,” which is what they did. The leash for these states was so long and poorly verifiable that it was impossible to say at a certain moment whether it was still intact or had already broken somewhere.

    In short, the external side of diplomacy in our country crushes the essence of such activities, just as in SWAG culture the external paraphernalia of a luxurious life masks its possible absence. That’s why I call the period until about 2019-2020 SWAG-diplomacy, we considered all these “nasties” precisely as “belongings”, attributes of such success-chic. The fact that real success is the success of the functioning of a model that is beneficial (to us) was already beyond the scope of our strategic thinking; I had been observing this vicious picture stupidly for decades and, it would seem, we were more than happy with it.
    Now it suddenly turned out that behind all this there was absolutely little “respect” and our zone is considered only very good. conditionally - we consistently missed Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Turkmenistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and so on and so forth. Some of this list may formally stick around among our buddies, but they are no longer them.

    They did it for show - they got what they did. We often see tomorrow as “yesterday is only a little more beautiful”; we have repeatedly been captured by this defective paradigm of thinking. Tomorrow is forged the day before yesterday - today’s consequences of our mediocre policy have deep roots, alas.
  10. +1
    April 8 2024 13: 55
    Who in Kyrgyzstan uses cards from the Mir system? Locals - hardly. They have their own card systems. And Mir is used exclusively by those who have escaped from Russia either from conscription or from dope. So why are we worried about them?
    For that fought for it and ran
    (Folk wisdom)
    1. +2
      April 8 2024 21: 44
      Everything is exactly like that. Each country has its own payment system. Nobody used “Mir” cards until the draft dodgers and relocants fled from Russia. And why do citizens permanently residing in their countries need this “World” card? What to do with it?
  11. +1
    April 8 2024 14: 24
    These parasites are already starting to cause itching!!! Kick everyone home from our territory!
    When will this talk about them end? Those who like them should go there with them!
  12. +11
    April 8 2024 14: 29
    There is nothing simpler: transfers from Russia to the former republics should only be made to Mir cards and, naturally, through the Mir system. I do not like? Baul in the teeth and to the village!
    It’s high time to invite North Korean comrades to empty workplaces, they have no time to fuss, they need to work, and in the evening - political information...
    1. +3
      April 8 2024 21: 11
      Directly removed from the tongue ... hi I also wanted to write about this, but I just need to add that the translation is exclusively in rubles... and in the homeland of the translator, let them convert it into dollars, somani...
  13. +3
    April 8 2024 15: 47
    hopelessness, of course, blows... (
    in the sense that we really can’t do anything about the sanctions...
    They will cork it and wrap it with tape slowly but persistently...
    and in the end, the “partnership offers” from the PRC (and others) that look extremely unprofitable today will look like luxurious gestures of friendly will, in the absence of alternatives...

    No, you can, as they write here in the comments, “ban, expel, crush, give ultimatums,” and what? Will this really make our life more satisfying/easier?

    there are no miracles... just like effective sovereignty with autarky for a population of 150 million...
    1. +3
      April 8 2024 16: 18
      You need to prepare what is called “properly.” Sanctions are introduced in parts, in packages, so that in the West the monitoring system has time to administer them. Not at all because there are “suckers” there. By the way, there was material - an attempt to describe these moments almost point by point.
      https://topwar.ru/237090-turcija-i-vtorichnye-sankcii-o-tom-chto-esche-predstoit-nam-pochuvstvovat-v-torgovle.html
  14. +3
    April 8 2024 18: 48
    Well, to hell with this ballast of idlers and drones
  15. 0
    April 8 2024 22: 44
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    No, the idea was interesting, it’s another matter that they couldn’t implement it

    Well, Viktor Stepanovich said back in the early 90s:
    We wanted the best, but it turned out as always. ©
  16. 0
    April 9 2024 08: 13
    In general, nothing new. Russia's "friends" are cunning. For now, their friends give them something, but if, God forbid, you ask them to do something, they run to sell themselves somewhere else. Multi-vectorism was previously simply called betrayal. And friends from our dear eastern and not so republics, excuse me, sovereign countries, need to be driven out with a filthy broom. If a country is not able to develop and provide its population with work, then is such a partner-friend needed? So, everyone to the garden, or rather to the village, closer to the tribal mountains and donkeys.
  17. 0
    April 9 2024 10: 58
    The preservation of the Union requires that its members benefit; can Russia provide it? At this forum there is now a lot of talk about the exclusion of Central Asian countries from Russia, while at the same time wanting to maintain an economic union - with the participation of Central Asian countries. Schizophrenia.
    1. 0
      April 9 2024 14: 47
      The preservation of the Union requires that its members benefit; can Russia provide it? At this forum there is now a lot of talk about the exclusion of Central Asian countries from Russia, while at the same time wanting to maintain an economic union - with the participation of Central Asian countries. Schizophrenia.
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    3. +2
      April 9 2024 14: 54
      Just for fun, just ask how much gas supplies from Russia, for example, cost to Armenia and how much they would cost at world prices for a year. Profit is about $400 million. Is this not a benefit? If you look at other “allies,” you can also count several billion green ones there. You just need to be able to use it, and not drool over friendship
  18. +1
    April 9 2024 14: 46
    What they won’t take on turns out as always. Zilch.
  19. +2
    April 9 2024 15: 53
    Apparently, it’s time for Russia and Belarus to leave the EAEU. Let the guys live on their own, and America helps them. Or the EU.
  20. +1
    April 9 2024 20: 27
    There is nothing simpler: transfers from Russia to the former republics should only be made to Mir cards and, naturally, through the Mir system.
    And if so. Migrants receive a Mir card, from which you cannot withdraw cash, and you can spend money on the Mir card only in the Russian region in which you work. This is roughly how Germany begins to pay benefits to Ukrainian migrants. Moreover, there are still restrictions on payment per day. If you don't like it, leave. I like it - spend money without any cashing with us. And if you don’t commit offenses or crimes, work.
  21. +1
    April 9 2024 21: 13
    Maybe we won’t rush to assessments, conclusions and forecasts regarding the performance of the MIR payment system in the post-Soviet space... Let's wait... Time is the best “healer”, analyzer, “putting mechanism”, everything in its place... Perhaps that there may be local failures, political maneuvers of local banks and country leaders, under pressure from the West and the United States... Let's not “run ahead of the locomotive” and spread the possible “fake” and another “duck” from the “TsIPSO nest... Economics of banks - a delicate matter and very closed from prying eyes...
    1. +1
      April 9 2024 21: 42
      This is not TsIPSO or anything like that. The problem with the World here is not even the problem of a specific payment system, which, as has been commented on here more than once, is largely used by “relocants”, although in many ways, and not generally only by them. This is a national payment system; refusals from it characterize the level of interaction in general and within the EAEU in particular. This is quite a significant process. Unfortunately, the intensity of such processes will only increase.
      https://topwar.ru/237090-turcija-i-vtorichnye-sankcii-o-tom-chto-esche-predstoit-nam-pochuvstvovat-v-torgovle.html
      https://topwar.ru/235879-kitajskie-banki-i-antirossijskie-sankcii-nekotorye-aspekty-problemy.html
      https://topwar.ru/236050-sankcii-i-podvodnye-kamni-raschetov-v-nacionalnyh-valjutah.html
      Our mainstream media are showing off in vain, let’s hope that those “at the top” in this regard look at things more realistically and prepare properly for this really long and grueling epic
  22. 0
    April 9 2024 22: 34
    Yes, “ours” will not answer anything. But what if they stopped accepting gasters from these countries at once, expelled all those who came (there are plenty of reasons, if there was a desire to find them) and stopped helping their “brothers in mind” at a loss. Maybe the “central Central Asia” could have cleared its mind.
  23. +1
    April 10 2024 07: 37
    Russia has tools to influence refuseniks. First of all, a migration filter and a money transfer system. You just need to apply them.
  24. +2
    April 11 2024 11: 30
    The Ukrainian scenario is repeating itself, but in Central Asia. And “we”, as always, endure, chew snot, and wait for everything to resolve itself.
  25. 0
    April 12 2024 02: 28
    By the 30th year, all the Central Asian republics of the former USSR will be under the complete control of China.
    Things will come to the division of Kazakhstan and Russia; in the best case, the territories of the former Russian provinces in the north of Kazakhstan may go away.
    1. 0
      April 12 2024 03: 39
      I would call this “optimism.” This is even an optimistic scenario and, by the way, not the worst one for us. But I think that the EU, which has already been written off as scrap on our TV, will still fight hard for its assets.
      1. 0
        April 12 2024 13: 20
        The worst scenario for Russia is the loss of the Far East and Siberia...
        Then, for sure, the transition of Central Asia under the control of China will seem like a trifle to everyone, not worthy of attention....
        1. 0
          April 12 2024 16: 56
          Honestly, I don’t see any fundamental problems with the transition of Central Asia under even the direct control of China. In the energy sector, we will work there anyway, just as we did before. Re-export will remain and even become simpler. As for the rest, we were already more concerned with declarations.
  26. 0
    April 13 2024 14: 23
    Set a categorical condition: all trade, transit and transfers are only via the MIR card! We must teach! There are many options.
  27. 0
    April 14 2024 11: 08
    The filthy foggy island is taking over Central Asia. This is an opportunity to spoil both the Russian Federation and China at the same time. The Kremlin has failed its entire foreign policy towards the former republics. The same rake as the Ukrainian Reich, an attempt to shower local buyers with money, forgetting that the Western partners have a dollar copier that cannot be defeated. The likelihood of the next SVO is very high, and considering how many “irreplaceable specialists” the Russian elite brought to Russia, this will be a severe blow to Russia from its bourgeois partners.
  28. 0
    April 14 2024 13: 28
    Participants can refuse whatever they want, but if Russia decides to make payments and transfers only with the MIR card, they will not go anywhere. Science will be stubborn!