We must take Kharkov! But when and how

The debate over the capture of Kharkov continues. Interestingly, disputes are ongoing both in Ukrainian and Russian resources. It is interesting that both sides took the very fact of storming the city as an axiom. Isn't it strange? I have already written about how the other side really wants this assault. We are literally pushed in every way.

I have already mentioned attacks on the border regions of the Russian Federation. One of the goals of these “stupid” attacks was precisely the desire to force us to start the Kharkov operation. It is clear to any “strategist” that a hundred kilometers from the east is more than 39–40 kilometers from the border. What’s easier is to cross the border and immediately go to Kharkov.

And the civilian population?

How many strange channels from Kharkov suddenly appeared on the Internet. People who for many months did not even dare to like pro-Russian material suddenly became so bold that they openly write that they are waiting for the Russian Army. And this is in the context of increasing activity of the SBU in the city.

Somehow the picture doesn't add up for me...

Moreover, I also wrote about this, the Supreme Commander set the task of creating a demilitarized zone. Barrel artillery today throws shells fifty kilometers away... The German PzH 2000 - 56 km, the French Caesar - 54 km. Indeed, it turns out that you need to tense your navels and...

And rush at least a hundred kilometers to neutralize the missiles and MLRS.

Everything looks quite simple, except for the losses during the assault. Kharkov is a city of over a million! This is not Mariupol or Bakhmut. It is easier to organize defense there. Especially considering the attitude of the Ukrainian Armed Forces towards the civilian population. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of our fighters and definitely hundreds of thousands of dead civilians.

This is the price of this assault! A Pyrrhic victory, which fits perfectly with the statements of Zelensky and army commanders that their task now is to grind the Russian Army and hold on to the lines of defense. Kharkov is ideal for the role of a “meat grinder”. Just like any other big city.

So to take it or not to take it?

The answer to this question is key today.

I think he looks quite natural. Take!

The only thing that can be discussed is when.

At the beginning of the year, I wrote about the possible actions of our army in the winter and spring campaigns, and some commentators reproached me for skirting the issue of the liberation of Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.

Indeed, I did not and do not believe that the capture of Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk is critically important for us today. The game is not worth the candle, as my wise grandfather once said. Including because, according to our long-standing tradition, the army will receive orders to protect civilians. To protect at the cost of our own lives... That is, we are being pushed towards what was widely announced even before the presidential elections, towards another partial mobilization...

I’ll cool the hot heads of our jingoistic patriots a little.

All the talk about how “there is no war without losses”, “we’ll only crush the Ukrainians on moral and strong-willed people”, “our weapons are more advanced than the Ukrainian ones” and others are broken down by simple geography. I don’t want to argue about who has more or longer. Let me just remind you that Bakhmut is only 41 square kilometers in area. Kharkov – 350! Next, calculate the number of possible losses yourself...

But we can blockade cities and deprive garrisons of the ability to defend themselves. Yes, and this happened already in 2022... The blows that were dealt to the city’s infrastructure speak precisely to this. By the way, I am quite critical of their results. Our goal was to shut down businesses, not to cut off power to civilians. But, according to my information, up to 80% of the most important industries for Ukraine have already been evacuated!

We are somehow thoughtless about those messages that talk about attacks in some villages in the region and suburbs of Kharkov. It’s not in the city, so it’s not particularly important. I believe that these strikes are the most important part of the operation. We are clearing the area! In the long term, especially taking into account the slowdown in Western supplies, this will deprive the Ukrainian Armed Forces of the necessary resources for defense.

Well, the last.

I don’t understand why some Russians decided that we are superior to the Ukrainian Armed Forces in all respects. Here, I think, those who actually see the enemy every day will agree with me; the media is also to blame. We write so much about how mobilized Ukrainians are something amorphous, incapable of fighting, that it seems that our units are moving forward almost at a walking pace.

At the same time, there are somehow casual reports about numerous counterattacks. Yesterday the first significant attack was carried out using tanks. We attacked and even had some success. But out of 36 vehicles, 5 (!) were hit (according to Ukrainian sources - 8). This amorphous mass, eager to be captured as quickly as possible, met our tankers like this? Let's add two more infantry fighting vehicles to the losses...

In short, at this point in time I consider the operation to liberate Kharkov inappropriate.

I don’t see any military feasibility for carrying out the Kharkov operation, and I don’t see the necessary forces and means either. Although, given that I formed my opinion solely on data from open sources, as they say, options are possible. But the probability of such options tends to zero...

Theoretically, you can take Kharkov in several ways

Let me take a little liberties, that is, fantasize about how it would be possible to take Kharkov...

These are more options for action than an analysis of the situation. Reasoning on a free topic. This does not contradict what was written above. Such reasoning simply helps to remove the “blinders from the eyes” when analyzing the actions of both sides. It is difficult to be on one side and at the same time be objective about the other.

So, the first option, which I already wrote about above.

Head-on assault!

I don't think it's worth repeating. Huge losses. The destruction of the city and... the need to increase reserves for the defense of occupied territories. In addition, the introduction of serious Russian Guard forces into the city to neutralize the “partisans” and enemy DRGs. A destroyed city will create many opportunities for saboteurs to work...

Another option seems more likely.

We ultimately take the city into a semicircle, press the Ukrainian Armed Forces against the river and continue to clean up the surrounding area. That is, with flank attacks we narrow the semi-ring and occupy the Left Bank. In this case, if the operation to liberate the Left Bank is successful, we will also block water communication with the city. Siege and forcing the garrison to surrender the city.

Well, the third fantastic option.

Western, in particular Israeli, option for capturing a million-plus city. I think it’s not worth describing the ways in which the Israelis “fight” terrorists.

By the way, above I wrote about the number of casualties among civilians in the event of an assault; Gaza is an excellent illustration of these words. For every terrorist there are hundreds of civilians...

What's next?

Also a natural question...

I did not set myself the goal of analyzing the tasks that our Armed Forces will probably solve in the summer campaign of 2024. Simply because the spring campaign is not over yet. And without understanding its results, it is stupid to talk about the future. Although I have already voiced my opinion many times.

We need to clean up the coast and reach the western borders of Ukraine. Deprive Kyiv of access to the sea. And, ultimately, eliminate this pseudo-state.

I think it’s even worth considering the issue of returning some territories to other countries. For example, Belarus.

Ukrainians, I think, will happily agree with this. Someone has already settled in Europe, someone is selling an existing passport from a neighboring state, someone will become a Russian or Belarusian...

Returning to Kharkov, I will say that this is the first serious city that we need to take. It cannot be taken at once, as was the case, for example, with Kherson.

Therefore, the operation must be brilliantly designed and carried out with precision. This is already the task of our commanders and staffs. They have plenty of experience and talent, which they have already proven more than once...

Comments

[AlekMikh]

Why take Kharkov? The best strategy is to stand in active defense, counterattack, missile and bomb strikes to destroy the manpower of the ground army. After all, Zelensky’s regime relies entirely on soldiers, and if he doesn’t have soldiers, Zelensky will capitulate or he will be dealt with through an offensive

[vasyliy1]

Of the 3 options proposed by the author, only the second with the encirclement and siege of the city is suitable, but due to the lack of extra trained troops this is unrealistic at the moment.

[AlekMikh]

This author’s option is for later, but first we need to achieve a critical shortage of Ukrainian soldiers, even Zelensky’s complete absence of them. Then you can choose the siege of Kharkov, Kherson, Pavlograd, Slavyansk, etc.

[dmi.pris1]

He will achieve a critical shortage of soldiers... Apparently this is what the bet is on. Only this is mutual... I will give an example of a small region in the Kuban. The year before and last year, until the fall, there were both mobilized and volunteers. Only in the last six months it has not been heard that if someone was eager to go there. Quite the opposite. A man in our department volunteered a year ago. Moreover, he did not serve in the army. He wrote that he wanted to (really) demobilize, but alas... How will all this look in a year, let’s say - I don’t know. And the topic raised by Staver is really important.

[AlekMikh]

I agree with you, plus, we are really starting to have problems with volunteers from villages. Maybe there will be a reduction in shift workers, but then who will mine gold for the budget? Possible mobilization suggests itself in the future.
But on that side the situation is already critical. You read the comments of Ukrainians and more than half are for a truce, for Zelensky’s resignation and even for surrender

[dmi.pris1]

Shift workers??!! Their earnings are comparable to those on the front line. So it’s easier, even if it’s not warm, but without risking your life to work? About the rest... I don’t even want to think about this - replacing us with people from villages. .

[AlekMikh]

There are no other methods, otherwise there will be big sacrifices or big problems in the economy. I hope Gerasimov and his staff generals have a broad outlook and vision of the situation from their own. Our readers mostly have the top of their minds

[Civil]

I see fierce old men at VO are calling to storm Kharkov without participating in it. It’s so entertaining to watch on TV, without being subject to mobilization yourself. Great position! Will grandma bake pies for this movie? Moreover, these same people, then future businessmen and brokers, also watched on TV in 1991 as they overthrew the Soviet regime!

[Vitov]

You are wrong ! Fierce old men at the Military District declare that the Russian Armed Forces do not know how to wage a modern war. This does not apply to military personnel on the front line, but to headquarters and departments, and above all to the Ingenious Headquarters and its leader. The leadership of the Russian Armed Forces does not even have the concept of conducting modern combat at the tactical level. And there is generally no need to talk about doctrines for conducting offensive and defensive operations. The developments of the USSR are used, which involve storming cities and head-on attacks and are accompanied by huge losses. If we take into account the losses during the assault on Avdeevka, then Kharkov cannot be taken by such methods. Otherwise, THEY CAN'T KNOW!
By the way, in 1991 the generals sold the country, and the collapse of the army was recorded at the end of 1989 at the All-Army Conference of Representatives of Officers' Assemblies in Moscow...

[Zoer]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

I don’t even want to think about this - replacing us with people from villages...

This is exactly what happens. Moreover, they are already being imported not even as labor to construction sites, but simply to increase the population numbers. For one worker who goes to a taxi, a courier, a barber shop, a cook... a dozen more heads, children, wives, etc. are brought here. In a year or two they receive citizenship, the status of having many children - and go ahead for a halayava. Apartments, benefits, benefits. As a result, our students no longer have the opportunity to work as couriers. It’s the same for our men in taxis. On construction sites only under a GPC agreement, without any social benefits or labor protection. A bonus is drug trafficking, robberies and simply beating local valuable workers with herds.
Well, you Vanyusha, take the machine gun in your hands and head into the trench.
And the end and edge of this is not visible.

[dmi.pris1]

This is the trouble. No citizenship, no families! This has all already been worked out in the countries of the Persian Gulf. Work? Please. But no citizenship, no families. Live in fenced ghetto villages. Ours, the Slavs, live there.

[Zoer]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

No citizenship, no families! This has all already been worked out in the countries of the Persian Gulf. Work? Please. But no citizenship, no families. Live in fenced ghetto villages. Ours, the Slavs, live there.

So that’s the point, I’ve already stopped understanding WHY do our leaders have SUCH a migration policy? Apart from ensuring the stability of the power of the bays of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and replacing the population of Russia, I really don’t see any profit for the top leadership. For lower officials, the interest in corruption is quite understandable. For businessmen and developers, the interest is also understandable, although with the acquisition of citizenship it also disappears.
But one thing up there at the top they don’t understand is that with these methods the demography in the Russian Federation will be completely hammered into the ground, and the population will degrade to the level of the same villages, and they will have to spend a long time at sea to deal with their administrative affairs and imprisonment for the exits to the square. It is very, very easy to shake a wild herd from the outside.

[AlekMikh]

Why are you bringing this populist topic about the dominance of migrants into the topic of the assault, siege and liberation of Kharkov?

[Stepan S]

And their task is to stir up the issue of migrants. Ostensibly worried about Russia. You can’t see what color the flag is over their head.

[Zoer]

Quote: Stepan S

You can’t see what color the flag is over their head.

You can see what kind of hat you have on your head. It flies very far, right up to Lviv.

[bayard]

Quote: AlekMikh

first we need to achieve a critical shortage of Ukrainian soldiers, even Zelensky’s complete absence.

Isn’t it easier to exterminate not “Ukrainian soldiers” (although where would we go without that), but all representatives of the terrorist state of Ukraine. The same Zelensky, Zaluzhny, Syrsky, Malyuk, Mom’s Pie and all, all, all, including the Rada and all local administrations. There is no need to wait for surrender. You just need to destroy the Terrorist State of Ukraine. But the state, as you know, is not the population of the country, and not even its territory. The state is an apparatus of management, control and suppression. Those. these are officials at all levels, all security forces and the ideological corps (all these journalists, artists, bloggers, experts, writers, teachers of social sciences). This is what needs to be destroyed.
And when the army at the front will lose its political leadership, senior and senior command staff, when the gloomy shadow of the SBU will no longer hang over them, and propaganda will no longer flow from TV and the Internet in a rotten stream (for there will be no one), then those caught in their In cities, villages and villages, soldiers will already be able to make their choice.
But for some reason you stubbornly propose to destroy the male population of this unfortunate country occupied by the fascists, and with its criminal leadership... to enter into negotiations?? Have you mixed up anything?
Soldiers, they are a forced people, add psychotropics to such a tea, and he will go on a counterattack with glassy eyes, or in a rubber boat in winter across the Dnieper to the bridgehead, from where he does not return alive... Do you really like this?
Now we have a missile launcher with double the power of warheads, we are preparing warheads with a capacity of 2 and 3 times more powerful than usual for the Iskander-M OTRK. So let’s use these means to take out all the administrative centers, the SBU and GUR departments, army headquarters and military registration and enlistment offices , turn the government quarter of Kyiv into rubble.
And with the attack on Kharkov... There is no need to storm it. From the south go to Izyum, block the roads from the south. Take the Sumy region and, to the extent possible, the Chernigov region. Thus, cut off Kharkov from supply routes from the west, but at the same time coming within range of MLRS and long-range artillery fire on Kyiv or at least its suburbs. Clear the rear completely, and continue the pressure towards Kyiv from the left bank and towards Poltava. . And gradually pressurize Kharkov, but without assaults, but with fire suppression followed by cleansing operations. . All targets identified in the city should be destroyed by FABs with UMPCs of appropriate caliber for the tasks. The threat to Kyiv will force the Ukrainian Armed Forces to transfer all reserves to Kyiv, which will create favorable conditions for advancement in other directions.
And if any city is taken by storm. Moreover, according to the most stringent - Israeli option, then ONLY Kyiv! Where the abscess initially matured, where all the infection came from, there it is necessary to burn everything into ashes and rubble. Just those very heavy FAB-3000 and FAB-1500 with UMPC. . Methodically, not in too much of a hurry, methodically and progressively knocking out the Bandera spirit from this strange city. . Then perhaps Kyiv will recover... But not immediately, not strongly and not in its previous appearance and quality. It will no longer be the capital, and it will no longer even be a regional center. Perhaps this will eventually become a regional center
And when, in front of the eyes of the Ukrainian junta, which remains under the control of the junta, Kyiv is methodically destroyed (the peaceful people will be given time for the outcome), then it will be possible to offer negotiations to the administration and the command of the Kharkov group, and the military leadership of other large cities.
And the peasants who were shaved by force will survive.

[AlekMikh]

No, you're wrong. The bearer of Russophobia and Nazism is the Ukrainian soldier, and the elite, the leadership, all these clowns, oligarchs only use this to rob the inhabitants of Ukraine without regard to Moscow. Having destroyed these, another head will grow in their place.
Therefore, only by destroying everything can we put an end to this nonsense forever like independent Ukraine

[bayard]

Quote: AlekMikh

Only by destroying everything can we put an end to this misunderstanding forever

Such disgusting creatures as Chikatilo and Yeltsin lived in the Russian Federation. Therefore, it is necessary to destroy the entire male population of the Russian Federation?
Or is it enough to destroy these particular characters?
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not going to surrender, and they will not sell their lives for free.
Or does the mutual murder of Slavs excite you so much?

[AlekMikh]

In WWII we defeated fascism by first destroying the Wehrmacht, and not Hitler’s headquarters. So the only way out in this war is the destruction of the Ukrainian ground army.

[AlekMikh]

The legend of the “pure Wehrmacht” is a tendentious judgment about the innocence of the command and employees of the German armed forces (Wehrmacht) in the Holocaust and other war crimes during the Second World War, and in particular on the Eastern Front. Even where the commission of war crimes was recognized, especially in the USSR, where the Nazis considered the population inferior people and the ruling regime the result of a Jewish communist conspiracy, they are attributed not to the regular army, but to the SS troops. The myth of the “clean hands” of the Wehrmacht is that the German officer caste and the executors of military orders allegedly did not share Hitler’s ideology; The Wehrmacht command tried to shift all responsibility to the SS and other Nazi paramilitary organizations, accusing them of using prohibited and criminal methods of warfare. Such tendentious views became widespread after the Second World War, mainly in Europe and the United States.
Read on Wikipedia, there is a great article there
Called: The Legend of the Pure Wehrmacht

[bayard]

Are you trying to whitewash the reputation of the SS?
Or convince me that the Wehrmacht is guilty of war crimes?
The difference between the Wehrmacht and the SS is that the SS is an elite ideologically charged Nazi order, the support of the Nazi regime and its core. And during the war, all male citizens were mobilized into the Wehrmacht and these mobilized fighters behaved differently during the war. Therefore, the court verdict for the SS is unambiguous, but for the soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht it is personal, with the need to prove guilt. But through labor service in the USSR, the Wehrmacht worked off some of the damage caused. A lot of things were built and restored by the hands of German prisoners of war. But in the case of the SS, just one fortune in the ranks of this organization was sufficient.
The same is the case with used - all members of Nazi organizations such as "Azov", Right Sector, etc., as well as the National Guard, SBU, TCC - are required to be subject to the Highest Measure of Social Protection. The same applies to representatives of all branches of government of this Nazi regime. And the implementation of this measure of social responsibility must be done now. I am sure that the local population with considerable zeal will give target designations to destroy the headquarters and places of deployment of these particular ghouls. Participating/complicit in used power structures should become mortally dangerous. The officials of this regime should run away from there like cockroaches, saving their own skins and those of their families.. Thus, the used one will be beheaded. But a country and an army do not fight without a head.
But you don’t have to touch the Clown for the time being - like Hitler. Then you can carry him around in a cage.

[AlekMikh]

Well, you are trying to whitewash a Ukrainian soldier who has more Nazism in his head than an ordinary Wehrmacht
Do not forget that the goals are the demilitarization and denafification of Ukraine. And the soldier who put the Wehrmacht cross on a T64 tank needs to be disposed of to the last

[Machito]

VO commentators have been proposing an excellent plan for two years now: destroy power plants, refineries, underground gas storage facilities, bridges, tunnels, locomotive depots, traction substations, critical infrastructure, air defense, and stop oil and gas supplies. Gain air supremacy. Block the ports of Ukraine BEC. Ensure mass production of UAVs in order to cover the entire sky over the entire front line to a depth of up to 100 km: drive enemy troops into shelters so that they cannot even look at the sky, day or night. Accumulate reserves for ground operations. Ukraine is one of the largest countries in Europe. To occupy and control such territory, a large army is needed.
Why storm cities head-on? It is much more interesting to surround the entire Left Bank Ukraine and bomb the Nazi troops retreating along the corridor from the cauldron. To carry out such a large-scale operation, 500-000 well-armed troops will be needed. Where to attack? There are many options. Yes, even from Brest to Lviv. Possibly from Pinsk or Bryansk. There are countless options.

[tatra]

Well, yes, and call all this liberation. How lucky the anti-Soviet government is with the anti-Soviet people - it instills in them what it wants, sets it against whoever it wants.

[solar]

Reminded me of an old joke about a magician who talks about his new trick.

I go on stage and juggle colorful fish, can you imagine? And then they fly up to the dome itself - and disappear. I just haven't figured out how to do it yet.

[AAK]

Unfortunately, the encirclement and subsequent liberation of Kharkov in the current realities of the Northern Military District is a matter for the end of 2024 or the first half of 2025, and we are having a hard time with the “geniuses of military thought”; Shoigu and Gerasimov are by no means Hindenburg and Ludendorff.. .

[Fan-fan]

Well, we had Chernyakhovsky and Rokossovsky, Kutuzov and Suvorov. Where are these in today's Russia?

[Victor Leningradets]

Well, we had Chernyakhovsky and Rokossovsky, Kutuzov and Suvorov. Where are these in today's Russia?

Actually, the country was at war then, and even surrendered Moscow or retreated to Stalingrad to end the war in Paris or Berlin.

[alexoff]

But here the question is: does the Ukrainian Armed Forces have a sufficient number of troops to defend a city with a population of one million?

[Rome]

In order to decide: “to take or not to take!”, you need to understand the size of the Kharkov group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. If there are 100 thousand there, then you don’t have to dream
And the second question: what military significance does the battle for Kharkov have for victory in the Northern Military District? Zelensky and Co. are counting on drawing RA into a large-scale battle in a place convenient for themselves in order to deprive RA of its offensive potential. What is the task of the RA in Kharkov?
If we manage to inflict a strategic defeat on the Armed Forces of Ukraine in another, more convenient place for us, then Kharkov will go to Russia anyway

[aybolyt678]

Quote: AlekMikh

Why take Kharkov?

and then that the shelling of Belgorod is going on, how can one come to terms with this?

[Vladimir80]

Quote: AlekMikh
Why take Kharkov?

and then that the shelling of Belgorod is going on, how can one come to terms with this?

There is the experience of Israel, which is quite successful. I do not support their methods, but they defend their country and their citizens 100%

[Zoer]

Quote: aybolyt678

and then that the shelling of Belgorod is going on, how can one come to terms with this?

Well, let’s say they took Kharkov. So there will be shelling of Kharkov... Or is it no longer important? Like a sanitary corridor?

[Fan-fan]

It would be much more profitable to cut Ukraine into two parts, but this requires a lot of strength, but how can we win then? We can't win with our current strategy. The strategy needs to be changed. The very first option is to cut along the Dnieper. And the main thing here is to collapse the bridges, then the Ukrainians will have big problems.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

If there were entirely our people waiting for liberation, I would wish for the speedy capture of the city. But this is far from the case. and therefore, having captured a million-plus city, we will put all these traitorous waiting people on our necks. Ukraine will immediately stop paying them pensions and benefits. Salaries for teachers and everyone who will remain in the city. The supply of water and electricity without a guarantee of payment from this population - everything will become a black hole on our budget. Maybe that’s why we shouldn’t rush to take large cities? And if you take it, then squeeze out all the evil spirits from them deep into the nenki, let it contain them until complete collapse.

[Zaurbek]

You don't have to take it. But it will fly around Belgorod. Kharkov is its own Avdeevka for Belgorod.

[turembo]

In general, this is all quite complicated. And there are always a lot of questions, the war has changed a lot and is changing every day. And most importantly, our goals are not clear, and the ways to achieve these goals are not clear. This is not the Middle Ages where they fought for territory, now it will not be possible to organize a general battle, so you have to think on a very small scale. I also can’t understand my logic, then we almost approach the capital, then we leave, then we approach Kharkov, then we leave, then we leave Kherson, and then we think it would be nice to return it, the feeling of Santa Barbara when you missed a couple of episodes, and The actors have already been changed. Most of all, I am afraid of frontal assaults, in fact, having killed a bunch of people, we will get ruins, a siege looks preferable, but I can’t yet imagine what it looks like in a modern war; throwing machines alone are not enough. The war in Ukraine is reminiscent of a war with a hydra, cutting off one head of it, another immediately grows, it must have a weak point, and it probably does, and if you hit it, all the heads will fall in all directions, and it is possible that this is not only a military decision, but also more subtle.....

[bsk_una]

The most important thing in all these events stands apart: betrayal in the echelons of power. Where do the attacks on especially important places come from? This is information from traitors to their own country. And the Ukrainians help us and there are a bunch of ours. Only the 5th column was always late, and sometimes they even helped this bunch.

[alexoff]

The war in Ukraine is reminiscent of a war with a hydra; when one head is cut off, another immediately grows.

More like a squid, we only fight with tentacles. We are not delivering any blows to the central nervous system; not a single Ukrainian propagandist was harmed, not to mention politicians

[aybolyt678]

Quote from turembo

In general, this is all quite complicated.

in fact, everything is simple if we assume that the war is going on with the United States for survival. It’s not enough to survive, but you also need to leave resources for your descendants.... In the world, the number of wars can only increase, so fight without escalation and so that the enemy is exhausted, simulating a retreat, attack, etc....

[tsvetahaki]

The only thing that can be discussed is when.

And about “how” - you don’t foresee a discussion?
“Front” and “bypass” are great - but will the aliens help us?

[parusnik]

will aliens help us?

It is possible, as former specialists from Western intelligence services report, that Russia has come into contact with the constellation of Canes Venatici. Negotiations are underway.

[dmi.pris1]

I also thought that unshaven Roma was a reptilian, and not a Jew at all... Well, let's see where this crooked path will lead... And then suddenly it might turn out that all the participants in this "intergalactic congress", the driven people, will tie white scarves .

[Belisarius]

I’ll write briefly - no one will take Kharkov either in the spring or summer of this year
There are no people, no weapons, and no corresponding political and legal grounds for this.
But the war of cities with the creation of a deserted inferno zone on both sides of the border will certainly continue.

[solar]

Rђ RІRѕS, war of cities with the creation of a deserted zone...

I saw this somewhere :))

[astronom1973n]

. The front troops included three combined arms, two tank and one air armies, two armies were in the reserve of Headquarters.

This is from history. Accordingly, the emergency situation can be calculated and then applied to the existing state of affairs. After this there will be an answer about how, when and in what time frame we will liberate the city.

[parusnik]

Deprive Kyiv of access to the sea.

For example, Kherson...

[dmi.pris1]

I wonder what kind of “exit” to the sea Kiev has now. No, Klitschko, of course, can go to the Maldives.

[parusnik]

Klitschko, of course, can go to the Maldives.

I don’t have a good feeling that they will all meet there.

[dmi.pris1]

Do you want to say Reykjavik or Malta 2.0? They will become...

[parusnik]

No, it’s worse, like just vacationers. And having fun, they will remember the past.

[Vladimir80]

Therefore, the operation must be brilliantly designed and carried out with precision.

Fantasies, fantasies! Come down to the sinful earth, dear author!!!!!

[Nikolay Malyugin]

Money. Never have they played such a role in hostilities as they do today. It’s not for me to judge the benefits of such a monetary investment. The result will show itself. Moreover, money plays a role on both sides of the confrontation.

[Fan-fan]

You're right about money. Yesterday on our TV it was reported that 15 new Russian billionaires were added to the Forbes list last year alone. Those. did they get rich from the country's conduct of the SVO? Why don’t they fork out for the needs of the Northern Military District? That Putin cannot “ask” them to give money?

[deathtiny]

Are you consciously manipulating? or have not yet taken the basic principles of economics? ))
when the yellow newspapers write “a billionaire has become rich by 3 billion in a year,” this does NOT mean that he directly earned this amount with net profit...
in 99%, it is the shares of the enterprise that he already owns that have risen in price, based on the situational stock exchange valuation (and it can rush up and down at any moment)... So what?
It’s like apartments have doubled in price, and “commissars in dusty helmets” come to you, they say, share, citizen, owner of real estate, you are now a millionaire (relatively speaking)!
What's the point of "getting rich from SVO"?

But what if someone actually made money from, for example, UAV production? Well, yes, it’s better to take it away and dispossess it, so that no one ever takes the initiative, realizing that they will come and take it away anyway. will it be better? ))

[avia12005]

In short, at this point in time I consider the operation to liberate Kharkov inappropriate.

Right. The enemy will deploy long-range artillery and drones over an area of ​​350 sq km. It will wet the entire European part of Russia, and maybe even further. Kharkov has already been turned into a de facto forward NATO base right on the Russian border.

The point here is not the capture of Kharkov, but the lack of a decision to achieve victory in the Northern Military District on the territory of the former. Ukraine through the complete defeat of the enemy. Why is this so, God knows.

However, it is obvious that the RF Armed Forces currently do not have the task of isolating the theater of operations. There is also no large-scale sabotage activity on enemy territory. Nothing has been heard about support for the underground and partisan movement. By the way, there is no satellite for free broadcasting to Ukraine. There are no HF, SV and LW broadcasts.

In short, the army does not have the task of conquering Ukraine, where, besides Kharkov, there are many large cities. There is neither the strength nor the means for this. Why this is so, we can guess.

According to someone’s plan, Ukraine and the adjacent part of the Russian Federation are turning into Syria.

[Dmitry Rigov]

The President did an excellent job of creating a quarrel between Russia and Europe, thereby strengthening US influence in the world.

[MBRSS]

By the way, there is no satellite for free broadcasting to Ukraine. There are no HF, SV and DV broadcasts.

This is truly a shame. It is necessary to explain to the residents of Ukraine the reasons for our actions, down to individual operations, and even individual strikes. Broadcasting can also be done in language. And it seems that such a task does not require large investments. Why it hasn’t been done yet - I personally am completely perplexed. The enemy is doing much better with propaganda.

[Vladimir M]

“Our goal was to stop enterprises, and not to deprive civilians of light” - now, yes, industrial energy is being knocked out! But in the winter of 22-23 they were just hitting the “sewer” of residential buildings. Who was this “smart” guy?... I can’t imagine how a “buffer zone” can be created in those territories, and even 200-250 km wide, where one settlement smoothly passes into another. It is not to create a “buffer zone” in the desert. It is clear that Ukraine will play anyway - it has already lost, but Russia will also lose if it does not take the eastern, southern, northern regions and deprive Ukraine of access to the Black Sea. Storming Kharkov is not an option. To go around and encircle - you can’t do without mobilization.... Is it really a stalemate for us?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Vladimir M

Storming Kharkov is not an option. To go around and encircle - here you can’t do without mobilization....

these are not the times of Suvorov, with the victories of exclusively “large battalions” with guns .. the industry is more or less coping with the supply of the existing group, as they write, working in 3 shifts, and if it is increased by half or 2 times, weapons and military equipment for them will materialize itself ? and this is only one of... many questions, if even greater mobilization is carried out to create a new large group... and the “meat grinder” in one place of the front is beneficial exclusively for the Ukrainians, so as not to worry about where the blow may come from..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vladimir M

Storming Kharkov is not an option. To go around and encircle - you can’t do without mobilization.... Is it really a stalemate for us?

Why stalemate?
The goal is clear. The intention is unknown. But this is not a stalemate, to say the least. This is correct in principle because premature announcements of which directions in the summer campaign will be a priority, as well as where and with what forces the attacks will be delivered will only lead to the enemy pulling up reserves and strengthening the defense in these directions. In order to pin down reserves and pull part of the enemy’s forces away from the desired direction, ours can increase pressure on another section of the front, and then strike where necessary, according to the plan. So it’s probably too early to talk about dead ends.

[Vladimir M]

There is just a stalemate. It is not clear what Russia should do - delay the North-Eastern Military District for 10-15 years, beg for an “agreement” (what will have to be sacrificed for the sake of the “agreement”), go forward (then with what forces and means, how much resources will then have to be invested in these territories), create " Eastern Ukraine" with a godfather at its head? Which of these options will be chosen and how will this turn out for Russia in the future?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vladimir M

There is just a stalemate. It is not clear what Russia should do - delay the North-Eastern Military District for 10-15 years, beg for an “agreement” (what will have to be sacrificed for the sake of the “agreement”), go forward (then with what forces and means, how much resources will then have to be invested in these territories), create " Eastern Ukraine" with a godfather at its head? Which of these options will be chosen and how will this turn out for Russia in the future?

Well, it all started on the collective farm morning, they started talking about “infinity”, “negotiations” and “godfathers”, it’s strange that you didn’t weave oligarchs into this orderly row. As I understand it, you do not at all consider optimistic forecasts and options for the final and favorable outcome of the Northern Military District for Russia? Maybe, following your negative attitudes, we should have raised the white flag two years ago?
Why are you so contradictory? Here's yours -

Russia will lose if it does not take the eastern, southern, northern regions and deprive Ukraine of access to the Black Sea

and then you write the opposite -

Storming Kharkov is not an option.

Then you hammer in a nail about the stalemate and rush off into the “long-term construction” with godfathers and agreements.
Maybe it still makes sense to wait and see how the summer company will develop before making a conclusion that “everything is bad, everything is gone”

[Vladimir M]

Yes, Russia will lose without taking the eastern, southern and northern regions with unpredictable consequences. To take the Kharkov region (including Kharkov) it is not necessary to storm Kharkov. The same thing is wrong in the Second World War on the territory of the USSR, not a single city (we are talking about big cities) was stormed before Stalingrad.

[Nyrobsky]

In the absence of arguments from the minuses, come in? How about talking?
Are you generally aware of the general plan of our General Staff for the liberation of the Kharkov agglomeration? Or have we already failed this operation before we even started? What do you think is the stalemate of the situation?
Just don’t get too vague about “agreements and family-tribal relations.” Can you say something about the essence of the issue?

[Vladimir M]

We can talk. For me, the stalemate is that I cannot determine which decision regarding Ukraine is optimal for Russia as a whole. The Second World War was all clear and understandable - “Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours.” Now I don’t really understand the goals: “denafification and demilitarization”, “buffer zone”... - what it is and by what forces and means this can be achieved.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vladimir M

For me, the stalemate is that I cannot determine which decision regarding Ukraine is optimal for Russia as a whole.

Well, this is a completely different matter. If the situation is “stalemate” only for you personally, then why do you extrapolate it to the situation as a whole?

Quote: Vladimir M

The Second World War was all clear and understandable - “Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours.” Now I don’t really understand the goals: “denafification and demilitarization”, “buffer zone”... - what is it and what forces and means can this be achieved?.

Yes, in general, the tasks remained the same as those stated at the beginning of the Northern Military District - “denazification and demilitarization,” that is, related to military-political tasks. As for the “buffer zone,” this is a military-strategic task. Both tasks are solved with the forces and means that are available. If at the beginning of the Northern Military District no more than 200 thousand bayonets were recruited to participate in the operation, then taking into account the mobilization of 320 thousand, the size of the group exceeded half a million people. In a year, after the mobilization, more than 450 thousand were received for the contract (at the end of 2023, announced by D. Medvedev) + 35 thousand came on a volunteer basis. Note that 450+35 is almost half a million more people. Again, please note that the number of new contract soldiers exceeds the number of citizens called up for mobilization. So, according to the roughest estimates, we have a group of about 1 million people. Now you will probably wake up and pull out a trump card with losses, they certainly exist, but I suppose that in general terms the answer to your question is - with what forces? -I answered. By what means? - this is related to the military-industrial complex, but one thing is that enterprises work in three or four shifts and in a 7/24 mode, then I think that there will be means of destruction to carry out the assigned tasks. The resumption of production of FAB 3000 suggests that they will not stand on ceremony with banderlogs and will break down their defenses harshly.

[Vladimir M]

For me it’s a “stalemate situation” (it’s clear that I don’t have real information), but for others “everything is according to plan”.... As for the announced figures of 320 thousand, 450 thousand.... as one of the greats said - there is a lie , there are blatant lies and there are statistics. So on December 28, 2023, the GDP was announced: 1. in 23, 480 thousand were signed a contract (we must also take into account the fact that mobilized Donetsk, Lugansk volunteers were stupidly transferred to the contract in 23. Hence the “good” statistics) , 2. In total, 23 thousand are undergoing contract service for the 640rd year. The same figures were announced by the Ministry of Defense. Let’s not forget that as of January 1, 22, there were from 380 to 400 thousand on contract (according to various sources). And not all contract soldiers are in the Northern Military District on the LBS, Russia is big. And if you look at how many there were, how many signed a contract and how much everything became, then the numbers don’t add up or we don’t know something....

[Alexey Lantukh]

then the numbers don’t add up or we don’t know something....

But we don’t know our losses. And only 50-100 thousand were killed, according to my estimates, and the wounded and irrevocably sick + another two times 100-200 thousand. Many who started the SVO have ended their contracts, at least 50 thousand. Here's grandma and Yuryev's day. Ukrainians consider our reserves to be 100 thousand. This may well be the case. And with such reserves, Kharkov cannot be surrounded and taken. Only by passing you can cut off a piece without Kharkov itself in the form of a large tactical operation, if you want, and then there’s the inoguration.

[Nastia makarova]

The contract is now automatically renewed

[Alexey Lantukh]

The contract is now automatically renewed

A contract is called a contract because it must be fulfilled, including within the deadlines. It is unlikely that it will be automatically renewed.

[Nastia makarova]

automatically means that after completion a new contract is signed, it is impossible not to sign

[Dmitry Ivanov_1991]

the first contracts were 6 months. Worked = vacation, go home, don’t come back = your business. Then many people signed.
Then came the second contracts = for a YEAR and with AUTOMATIC extension on the basis - until the end of the CBO, until the president signs the order. People signed such second contracts without delving into the details of the “fine print”.
Now there are only annual plans with automatic renewal. For prisoners (in the reports - "Storm Z" detachments) - they also became the same. Those. after receiving a pardon, after a YEAR of hostilities, the former prisoner extends his contract for another year, etc.
Now everyone who got there never comes back.

[Vladimir M]

Uv. Nyrobsky I’m not giving you cons, I’m communicating with you.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vladimir M

Uv. Nyrobsky I’m not giving you cons, I’m communicating with you.

Here, even without you, the “silent people” diligently ship them (cons) in passing, without even trying to express counterarguments. By the way, your penultimate comment already really looks like a normal dialogue. I agree with the argument. Only all the numbers we operate with do not reflect the real picture in any way, but nevertheless, I am inclined to think that the necessary resources are available to provide a buffer zone in the Kharkov direction. As for “all of Ukraine,” this is clearly not enough. Let's finish this

[Vladimir M]

And good luck to you, all the best

[Nastia makarova]

"Circle and encircle"
This tactic has discredited itself, we need to forget about it

[Vladimir M]

But I don’t think it’s possible to storm cities like Kharkov, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk....

[Nastia makarova]

I’m not talking about a frontal assault, everyone here writes how many troops are needed to take Kharkov, but they don’t write how many troops are needed to defend it, do they have them?

[Vladimir M]

Still, for defense, fewer troops are needed than for an offensive, and the attackers suffer more losses. Up to a certain point, of course, until the defense “collapsed.” As long as they have enough troops to defend themselves.

[Nastia makarova]

Now the war has changed, whoever has more drones, better reconnaissance, a massive long-range arm will receive fewer losses

[Vladimir M]

In the city it’s a little different, there you have to crawl through every basement with your feet.

[Nastia makarova]

Nowadays, buildings are usually folded entirely, either theirs or ours.

[Vladimir M]

It is not very possible to “put all the buildings together” even in small settlements. We have to take populated areas by storm.

[alexoff]

We don't like bombs for folding buildings, we like universal factories. But the fabs are smeared in an even thin layer along the front line, and that’s what’s missing

[Eug]

Kharkov will be destroyed to the maximum extent possible by the departing Ukrainian Armed Forces. To mine and blow up the metro when leaving - what could be easier... alas... and the evacuation of residents may be prevented, and many simply have nowhere to go and no money to move... alas...

[FoBoss_VM]

All of this is murky, of course. Putin did not clearly voice either the goals of this war or the means to achieve these goals. The feeling is that tomorrow his dear partners will entice him with a box of cookies and a jar of jam, and they will show him a peace treaty on beautiful eagle paper with seven seals for greater importance, and he will sign it. And he will announce to everyone that this was the goal of the war and it has been achieved. Thanks to everybody, you're free. I haven’t trusted this man for a long time, especially when Donbass was treacherously leaked in 2014. In fact, what is on the Kremlin’s minds, what agreements on this war with the West (and I’m 200% sure they exist) - only God knows. We can only wait

[Vladimir M]

I'm afraid that the worst option will be chosen - they will try to create a separate "eastern Ukraine" as part of the eastern, southern and northern regions and try to put the godfather "on the board".... How will this end for Russia, that is the question.

[tatra]

Everything has already ended badly; no ruins will compensate for the colossal economic, technological, human, reputational, geopolitical damage. Poor Russia, it fell into the hands of the wrong people.

[Vladimir M]

I hope that once again the Almighty will pull Russia out by the ears, there is simply no one else, it cannot be otherwise. This has happened more than once in the history of the Russian State. In the same 90s of the last century, during the collapse of the Union, the Anglo-Saxon plan was outrageously simple - to drag all nuclear weapons from the republics to Russian territory, buy up all the uranium, wait until the nuclear weapons become unusable and shake Russia from within. A little more and a collapse should have occurred - there were “fermentations” in Tatarstan, Siberia, the Far East.... And in 22, the Almighty saved Russia, albeit through the hands of Borka the Shaggy, by breaking the “Istanbul agreement”.

[tatra]

The main reason for all the troubles of Russia and the Russian people is the hatred of the enemies of the USSR. Because of their hatred of the Soviet people, they ruined Russia, and because of their hatred of enemies of the USSR like them in other countries, they decided to finish off Russia. Not one of them is able to prove how all this that they arranged brought at least some benefit to Russia and the Russian people.

[Vladimir M]

But I would clarify that the main reason is still “internal enemies.”

[tatra]

Yes, here the anti-Soviet people have “enemies all around” - both supporters of the USSR, and enemies of the USSR in the rest of the territory of the former USSR, and in the world, and they themselves are enemies of each other. They will never let the Russian people live in peace.

[Victor Leningradets]

Yes, the anti-Soviet people have “enemies all around”

The guests sang and danced
And they shit in their boots.
Apparently Comrade Stalin is right,
There are only enemies all around!
A ditty from the late 30s of the XNUMXth century.

[Vladimir80]

I hope that once again the Almighty will pull Russia out by the ears,

For whose sake and what? For the sake of the “naked party” participants, for the sake of abortions, for the sake of dancing on bones and endless vulgar entertainment? Therefore it is unlikely....

[Vladimir M]

Previously, the Almighty pulled me out and now he will pull me out. True, most likely the country will have to go through shocks... I would not like this, but it seems that it will not work out any other way.

[Fan-fan]

Well, we’ve lived to the limit, and the only thing left to hope for is God, there’s no one else. And who brought the country to this state?

[FoBoss_VM]

If there is such an outcome, I’m afraid that everything could end in great turmoil in Russia. And this will no longer be Prigozhin’s march of justice, it will be a full-fledged civil war, for the whites and the reds. Just like a hundred years ago. The people of the Russian Federation will not forgive Putin for such betrayal. In people's minds, the state of Ukraine no longer has the right to exist; it has lost it. This means it must cease to exist in ANY capacity. Everything should be Russia. This will be a victory as the people of the Russian Federation see it

[tatra]

There is no need to attribute to the entire people what Putin and his “hurray-patriots” want. People are worried about something completely different. , and he understands that no destruction of Ukraine will improve his life.

[Fan-fan]

In the future, we need the destruction of Ukraine, just as we need the destruction of an extremely hostile state nearby. Otherwise, in the future we will suffer a lot of grief.

[MBRSS]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

The people of the Russian Federation will not forgive Putin for such betrayal. In the minds of people, the state of Ukraine no longer has the right to exist...

Come on, sign for all the people here! Even now, half of the people don’t care whether Ukraine will exist or not, the main thing is that it is not hostile. Moreover, even Igor Strelkov admitted the existence of Ukraine in the future (even the name can be left, he said), but under the protectorate of Russia. I myself am a militaristic patriot, but based on reality (well, we couldn’t, neither the army nor the leadership are ready!) I think that it is better to leave Ukraine alive than to lose a million Russians in the fight for the undoubtedly just cause of demilitarization - denazification. Many people say that this is a postponed war, so be it. Moreover, it is not a fact that the Ukrainians will want to fight in the second round. Most likely, they will simply abandon the lost territories.

[Dmitry Ivanov_1991]

there will be no civil war between Russians. As I can see.
Chechnya will be declared independent (with the death of Putin? or when the decorated Adamka comes to power at the age of 25-30), then there will be an internal rebellion when the children of current Tajiks become PPS officers, lawyers, prosecutors, judges and there will be all criminal cases between “Russian-Tajik” "decide in one direction, regardless of facts and evidence.
and there will be a very strong demographic blow to the Russian ethnic group. Look around - have you seen many Russians with 2-3 children? Not families of drunks, where every child is from a new dad, but normal families? At the same time, Chechens are from 5-6 children, Tajiks from 3-4+, Tatars (at least these fellows!) from 2-3+. And without the Russian ethnic group in management, education, and production, we will slide into some kind of analogue of the United States with its blacks and benefits for blacks. A bunch of workers, and a huge bunch of idlers on welfare... This is what our state will break. Injustice and lawlessness.

[MBRSS]

Quote: Vladimir M

I'm afraid it will be chosen the worst option - they will try to create a separate “eastern Ukraine” as part of the eastern, southern and northern regions and will try to put the godfather “on the board” ....

Ha, that's still a good option. It will be worse if the border is demarcated along the LBS. They will make it clear to the people: either peace and such a border, or war for another 10 years, and then we will definitely reach Kyiv and establish a “Russian world” there. I am sure that people will choose the first option. We will obviously liberate the DPR and LPR, but I’m not sure about Kherson (not to mention the city of Zaporozhye). Ukraine will not be prevented from joining the EU and NATO. As an option, they will make them promise not to join NATO for, say, another 10 years, and also not to interfere with the water supply between Crimea and Donbass. And everyone will be happy.

[VPK-65]

It is interesting that both sides took the very fact of storming the city as an axiom. Isn't it strange? I have already written about how the other side really wants this assault. We are literally pushed in every way.

https://t.me/dva_majors/38901

In the Kharkov region, there are fortifications and defense lines tens of kilometers southwest of Kharkov, in Izium. That is, at a significant distance from the current front line.
Why do the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who are fighting for every house, envisage withdrawal plans for tens of kilometers?
This is the plan. We will be stretched not only along the front, but also into the depths of the advancing troops. Mines. DRG. Logistic hubs targeted for Highmars and drones. They will make “paths” for us with minefields along which our columns will be forced to move (no one has yet figured out how to transport troops without a column; you can’t drive equipment and people through fields with mines either).
Our troops will, as it were, invite an offensive, hit the convoys, restraining and causing damage to the Ukrainian territorial defense soldiers abandoned for slaughter. Use the mess in moving parts. Because there is more chaos than in the warring army of any country, only in the moving masses of hundreds of thousands of people and equipment.

[Gardamir]

I suggest the author write in the next article whether there is life on Mars.

[Vladimir80]

I suggest the author write in the next article whether there is life on Mars.

In general, for some authors it would be possible to open a humorous section on the portal...

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Kharkov must be taken: at least as a second, at least as a third option. This should be done at the end of April, beginning of May. As an option, we can first blockade Chernigov and Poltava, but we are doomed to take Kharkov and take it now; without him there will be no Odessa.

[Vadim S]

Yesterday the news showed the highway from Kharkov clogged with cars, even the oncoming traffic was clogged, people were pouring out of the city like a river! Looks creepy

[Galleon]

Yes. The Decembrist was right yesterday: some of our articles are like from a mental hospital.
Staver only wants to say one thing in response to the refusal to describe the third option: yes, you won’t be able to really do it. Not your specialty.

[Master 2030]

Therefore, the operation must be brilliantly designed and carried out with precision. This is already the task of our commanders and staffs. They have plenty of experience and talent, which they have already proven more than once...

What is this, subtle trolling?
Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse

[nikolaevskiy78]

The story with Kharkov is generally strange. The fact is that transport logistics in the South-East of Ukraine is tied to Kharkov. Those. in theory, Kharkov should have become one of the priority targets. But for some reason he didn’t. Not to mention the fact that Kharkov and Sumy are a deep wedge into our center. This all remains a mystery to me.

[solar]

Especially considering the attitude of the Ukrainian Armed Forces towards the civilian population. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of our fighters and definitely hundreds of thousands of dead civilians.

The author is a storyteller. After Mariupol, in all populated areas, when there was a threat of fighting, the Ukrainians evacuated the civilian population, leaving only those who wanted it.

We ultimately take the city into a semicircle, press the Ukrainian Armed Forces against the river and continue to clean up the surrounding area.

The author is not just a storyteller, but also a noble strategist.
Does he know what kind of river flows in Kharkov? He at least found it on the map, isn't it that easy? Is he going to push the Armed Forces of Ukraine to this river? Or does he think that Kharkov is located on the Dnieper?

[MBRSS]

Quote from solar

Does he know what kind of river flows in Kharkov? He at least found it on the map, isn't it that easy? Is he going to push the Armed Forces of Ukraine to this river? Or does he think that *Kharkov is located on the Dnieper?*

Yeah, I was freaked out too. By the way, what’s interesting is that the high bank of the Kharkov River is closer to Russia than the low bank. This is such a strange thing. We can throw the enemy from a high bank into the river :)

[Yaroslavl]

If there were the strength and means to take Kharkov, believe me, it would have been taken long ago... so you don’t have to read the article

[Ezekiel 25-17]

I recommend that Svidomo and TsIPSO employees do not get angry and downvote, but accept the inevitable....

[Radical]

Quote: Civil

I see fierce old men at VO are calling to storm Kharkov without participating in it. It’s so entertaining to watch on TV, without being subject to mobilization yourself. Great position! Will grandma bake pies for this movie? Moreover, these same people, then future businessmen and brokers, also watched on TV in 1991 as they overthrew the Soviet regime!

You shouldn't have mixed everything up... . Horses, people... . About the “fierce old people” - those who were able to because of their health, had already gone there a long time ago, voluntarily. I would have left on my own, but unfortunately I don’t have a duffel bag or a tactical backpack in which to fit my medications, unfortunately!

[Fan-fan]

Well, then propose another plan for taking cities. What, you can't?
Why do you want to fight for three more years?
Staver is right, large cities must be surrounded, but slowly, so that the enemy can evacuate Bandera’s followers. And citizens loyal to Russia will remain in the cities.

[Radical]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Well, then propose another plan for taking cities. What, you can't?
Why do you want to fight for three more years?
Staver is right, large cities must be surrounded, but slowly, so that the enemy can evacuate Bandera’s followers. And citizens loyal to Russia will remain in the cities.

He won’t answer - it’s not a trend to move bags, especially a machine with unloading.

[SergM]

It is necessary to take not just “Kharkov”, but the entire Kharkov region.
In order for Russia to win this war, and simply for Russia to survive, we need to liberate another 5+1/2 regions of “Ukraine” (Russian regions donated to “Ukraine” by the tsars and the Soviet government), - into whose territory the Russian army was in the 3rd year war - never even managed to enter: Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Sumy and Chernigov + the left bank half of the Kyiv region! Because if we, Russia, do not take the entire territory of the Left Bank of the Dnieper, then inevitable defeat and death await us Russia. I hope the readers of Military Review are smart enough to understand why?! Even the Ukrainian fascists and American fascists understand this.
And now - to create the right mood and attitude - I suggest, noting the date of Alexey Mozgovoy’s birthday on April 3rd, to watch an outstanding documentary about him, filmed by his associates. They always celebrate his birthday - as a day of remembrance, together with a significant part of the people of Novorossiya. This is what the ruler of Russia should be so that Russia does not perish, but wins. Unfortunately, Russia's enemies - both internal and external - realized this and prevented it. Without remembering this: we have every chance of losing and dying. Now, on the eve of today’s birthday/memory day, several international sources have removed this film. The enemy is not asleep, they are afraid of Mozgovoy no less than they were afraid of the living. And no wonder: according to his legacy, Russia can win. The film is very powerful - I recommend it. And from it it becomes clear where to move to win, and who our real enemies are. It's still working on YouTube. If anything, there is also contact. Watch the film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX9RJFWyp-0

[Foul skeptic]

I hope the readers of Military Review are smart enough to understand why?!

Can this be explained for the insufficiently savvy readers of Military Review?

[Dmitry Ivanov_1991]

Mozgovoy, Prigozhin, ex-mayor of Yakutsk Sardana - they got out one way or another.
And then the elections.. And our people scratch their turnips - who to vote for? who if not HIM?
look for who benefits from such collisions of our elections? to the gray-haired dear grandfather (the one whom everyone deceives, but he believed.. again..), who turned gray on the 1st day of July and did not forget this to Prigozhin.

[Esaul]

The political and military elite of the outskirts must be destroyed first

[bear cub]

Dear propaganda author. As for the “successful” assault, it was 8 units of equipment, not 6. You can count. By "some success" I mean that the rest of the guys got away safely. This makes me happy too.

[solar]

As for the “successful” assault, it was 8 units of equipment, not 6. You can count.

Actually, there are 9 pieces of equipment in the photo.

[bear cub]

The analyst from whom I found this photo claims that a tank with an anti-drone light has already been here. He also claims that one transporter is Ukrainian; they tried to get to the crash site either for ammunition or for spare parts, but they hit a mine or were fired upon. There are so many mines there that driving a vehicle is suicide.
In general, all this is pointless. Boys could run after girls, play computer games, sing around the fire, and they were lying somewhere on the ground.

[solar]

Boys could run after girls, play computer games, sing around the fire, and they were lying somewhere on the ground.

Yes, it’s hard to imagine a more senseless war than this one :((

[Fan-fan]

The point of this war is to prevent the creation of an extremely hostile state on our border. In the future, Ukrainians would be in NATO and American tanks with missiles would be located almost in the heart of Russia.

[Dmitry Ivanov_1991]

But it was impossible to think this MEANING when Ukrainians were given free gas, when debts for outright theft from oil and gas refineries were forgiven? When did they simply throw money into the budget in the form of contracts that they did not fulfill - tanks (repairs), aircraft, space orders?
when a certain Putin was one of the first to align himself with Poroshenko, who won the Maidan, and recognized him as a legitimate ruler, and 10+ years later! publicly screams that it was a “criminal coup.” And where was he when he received these Poroshenko-Tymoshenkos in the Kremlin and drank champagne in the halls? It turns out they were deceived...
it was necessary to start with Putin, who HIMSELF laid all these prerequisites for what you wrote above with his stupidest policies. If he had been tougher, if he had been consistent, and not a sycophant, the situation would not have developed into the current one.
a simple example of Medvedev and the war of 08.08.08/2010/XNUMX, the first shellings were tolerated for two days (both presidents were out of the country), but then a tough response was given and on the third day they drove the Georgians to Tbilisi. The result? Until now, no one even thinks that Georgia is plotting something against us or openly hates us, as the Ukrainians have done since at least XNUMX! But ours didn’t see, didn’t notice, covered their eyes.

[SergM]

Quote: Esaul

The political and military elite of the outskirts must be destroyed first

This fully corresponds to the principle of our holy invincible admiral (from whom the British Admiral Nelson tried to learn) F.F. Ushakov:"We need to hit the flagship" !
However... here in Russia... you understand - maybe there will be successors to Ushakov at the head of the army, but the commander-in-chief over them is by no means Tsarina Catherine the Great, who commanded both Suvorov and Ushakov! 10 years of this “war by rules” have shown this perfectly. The difference between words and deeds in Russia.

[S.Z.]

Take it, take it. At this rate, it will happen quite soon - in about 100 years.

[Totor5]

There is a fourth option - to take Kyiv as the third option.

[Ryazan87]

If we take away the usual Staver chatter with some interlocutors and opponents he himself invented, then the meaning of the article is as follows:

I don’t see any military expediency for carrying out the Kharkov operation, and necessary forces and means too.

That's all. There are no forces and means for such an operation. Here Novomikhailovka would be tormented (although this would also bring little benefit).

[Totor5]

Quote: nikolaevskiy78

The story with Kharkov is generally strange. The fact is that transport logistics in the South-East of Ukraine is tied to Kharkov. Those. in theory, Kharkov should have become one of the priority targets. But for some reason he didn’t. Not to mention the fact that Kharkov and Sumy are a deep wedge into our center. This all remains a mystery to me.

It’s all logical... clearly the primary goals are access to the borders of the republics and regions that are now occupied by Ukraine and which are part of Russia according to the Constitution.
Only the stupidity of the enemy makes the leadership think about new territories. After all, no one wanted to take Donbass - that’s where the Minsk agreement came from. Why, they didn’t even want to take Crimea, Pu himself said about it that no one wanted to take it, but they forced it.

If the Ukrainians were smarter (and less dependent on the owner), they would have merged Crimea and been left with everything else.

But the owner plays with them like checkers and is clearly ready to drain at least as far as the Dnieper in order to shed Russian blood. But in fact, I am ready to leak further if it causes damage to Russia. Ukr in this scheme is a consumable.

[ave0123]

Quote: Esaul

The political and military elite of the outskirts must be destroyed first

Not only. All “historians of Ukraine” and “native speakers” like Farion must also be destroyed: so that not even a memory remains.

[canurodes]

To storm a huge city with a population of over a million, there must be political will, not just competent, but moreover, an outstanding senior command staff, 100% resource support, and most importantly superiority in the military-technical component, specifically air supremacy or precision weapons, reconnaissance, etc. . There are many more factors that can be cited, but in any case, at the moment the RF Armed Forces do not possess any of them, but on the contrary, they are even inferior in some respects. After two years, we have not been able to create any serious breakthrough or encirclement, what does this mean, what is the problem. We would like to formalize the buffer zone normally, but that’s just the way it is.

[Seraphimamur]

And with what forces will you take a city of over a million? Russia does not have the strength to do this now. And then, are they waiting for us there? How much will the restoration of Kharkov cost the country? It is strategically necessary to take Odessa.

[Nastia makarova]

There is no strength for Kharkov, but do you have enough strength for Odessa?

[Fan-fan]

It’s true, Odessa is even more difficult to take than Kharkov.

[Ghost1]

So it’s not the Russians who took it as excellent, it’s off. The media provide such information.
It is obvious that a lot more military personnel are needed for this kind of operation, and some will say that now for the Second World War, but then it is necessary to increase the production of high-precision weapons and strikes many times over, so that it is possible to pelt the enemy with this without sending a large number of military personnel. But for now, even without new operations, there is enough work for both the military and the military-industrial complex.

[SergM]

Quote: A vile skeptic

I hope the readers of Military Review are smart enough to understand why?!

Can this be explained for the insufficiently savvy readers of Military Review?

Because any area of ​​the left bank of the Dnieper left behind by Fascist “Ukraine” immediately becomes an “unsinkable aircraft carrier” of the Fascist West, from which continuous missile and bomb attacks will be launched on Central Russia and from where there will be constant terrorist raids by the Special Forces of all armies of the Fascist West: just like this there were all 8 years of the Minsk agreements. And - as it was in the Caucasus in the 1990s. As a result, Russia will be “cooked” like a frog over the slow fire of an endless “war according to the rules.” In case anyone has forgotten, the word and concept “Fascist” is truly European. A true Fascist is a = True European: like Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Bandera, in the end. A modern European, especially a noble, ruling one, is by nature a savage, a monster and a bandit. Like the current king of Britain and the world King of Pedophiles - Charles 3rd, so that he dies quickly.
Using this simple truth, I successfully defeated one fascist Ukrainian woman living in Italy - visually a copy of Vicki Nuland, the same evil woman, Baba Yaga in face, figure, and speech. Our discussion was just taking place on the Instagram field at the beginning of the SVO. In vain they tried to close it from Russia, the charges brought against Insta are unfair: this is a purely personal network for exchanging video, photos and text information, there is no “general party line”, and specific characters are responsible for rare villainous posts, and there is no way to control them. And in general, little attention is paid to politics there. And public opinion, now and before, is not at all on the side of Ukraine. Anyway : You can only respond to a word with a word and not try to put pressure on everyone for the imaginary or true statements of one. Otherwise, the controller himself begins to cover up the criminals with deception and concealment of the truth.
So, I answered this fascist Ukrainian woman from Italy like this: “In Lvov or Ivano-Frankovsk, you can simply hang on lamp posts for speaking Russian: like real Europeans - Hitlerites and Banderaites. And on our Russian land, which includes everything The left bank of the Dnieper - Little Russia, we will not allow you to do this, we will remove you all from here - one way or another." And the aunt merged, fell silent. To the delight and joy of the surrounding public.

[Foul skeptic]

There will be continuous missile and bomb attacks on Central Russia and from there there will be constant terrorist raids by the Special Forces of all the armies of the Fascist West: just as it was all 8 years of the Minsk Agreements.

And since 2014, there have been continuous missile and bomb attacks on Central Russia?

Because any area of ​​the left bank of the Dnieper left behind by Fascist “Ukraine” immediately becomes the “unsinkable aircraft carrier” of the Fascist West

Then what is the Right Bank “aircraft carrier” in your paradigm? Sinkable?

[Knell wardenheart]

IMHO, it is advisable to first consistently treat such large cities along the lines of their key infrastructure, acting in such a way that the local population and the military would be as uncomfortable as possible hanging around in a city with a population of one million. That is, this is a consistent removal of energy infrastructure and its communications that go to this city - that is, deprivation of its electricity. This is the destruction and disorganization of its water supply facilities, sewerage and treatment facilities. This is the maximum complication of massive regular food supplies in the most convenient ways.

There is no task here to kill the peaceful people - there is a task to force them to seethe and/or evacuate in batches, there is a task to strain local and federal authorities to solve these crazy emerging issues “at a glance.” Both are beneficial to us because civilians will leave or discontent will increase (which is usually splashed out on those who are nearby, i.e. civil and military authorities). The authorities will be under time pressure, they will be obtuse and snappy - all this will play into our hands. Since we will not surround Kharkov, all problems with its supply and unorganized evacuation will be on the conscience of the local and federal authorities - and they will get the fullest, especially if the matter drags on.

If in a large, overpopulated city you cut off water, energy and sewerage, it will turn into a fetid pit; if there are also interruptions in food supplies, then holding this territory for the enemy will turn into severe hemorrhoids. I note that there is no need to strive for absolutes in this - I am interested in extinguishing % of values. By reducing the indicators by 25-30%, we would have already achieved a lot because the city as a system would lose its balance and turn into a cluster of dissatisfied people.

[solar]

(which is usually splashed out on those nearby, i.e. civil and military authorities)

In fact, such dissatisfaction is primarily directed at the enemy, even if they are dissatisfied with their own authorities.
In this case, the population is evacuated, and providing for the military in a city is a much simpler task than for the entire population. And, of course, no troops will retreat, because the sewerage system does not work.

[Knell wardenheart]

In this case, the population is evacuated

And this is how we achieve what we want, right? Nobody said that the city would be surrendered because there was no water in the tap. Just taking a metropolis with a population and almost without it are two big differences. By approaching a humanitarian catastrophe, we will force the Kyiv authorities to act in a manner beneficial to us. This is the point - either they will take out the population voluntarily and with song, or their military will be eaten by their own dissatisfied and suffering population. The city is deprived of its “meat shield” and turns into a huge empty space of uncertainty that needs to be controlled, forcing Ukraine to pump people there in anticipation of urban battles. In the meantime, the population of Kharkov will be forced to be distributed in the rear - this again will not be our problem, but an aggravation of the organization. and the enemy’s supply problems and his social tension.
It is not at all necessary for us to organize an assault on Kharkov after this - let them accumulate the “entrenched” fist there, drag equipment and personnel there, drag air defense there. This is much better than all this entrenched along the larger front line. Large cities are being starved out - we can impose a couple of such megalofestungs, taking advantage of the enemy’s perception that he will exhaust us in this way - and we ourselves will carry out a number of large local operations, destroy the enemy’s key infrastructure in the rear and generally improve our overall strategic position.

[solar]

By approaching a humanitarian catastrophe, we will force the Kyiv authorities to act in a manner beneficial to us.

They already evacuate the population when there is a threat of hostilities. About the “human shield” - this is someone’s invention. Except for Mariupol, all the battles take place in practically empty cities, only a few volunteers remain for various reasons, the rest are taken out in an organized manner.

[Fan-fan]

This is what we need, for the enemy to take out a million people, can you imagine what kind of problems this will put on Zelya’s head.

[solar]

First you just need to get to the city limits. If only it were that simple. From Zaporozhye (not much smaller than Kharkov in size) the front line is 35 kilometers, and has been standing for two years.

[S.Z.]

If the city is defended, it will be impossible to take it without destroying it. Do we really need the ruins of Kharkov, under which hundreds of thousands of its former residents are buried?

[Knell wardenheart]

The civilians from there can be forced to evacuate, this will be a headache for the enemy, and a double one. After this, it is not at all necessary to take the city by blitz and it is acceptable to even partially destroy it - if this will help knock out the equipment and personnel entrenched in it. Yes, this is tough as it is - but the alternatives to this are several large mobilizations, major offensives, large casualties, again. How many military personnel will it take to control a city with a million people in fear of its being stormed? Khrenova mountain. Let these people sit there rooted to the spot, and we will maintain freedom of maneuver and reduce the number of bayonets on the LBS as a whole.

[S.Z.]

“The civilians from there can be forced to evacuate, this will be a headache for the enemy, and double.”

It won’t work out - many simply have nowhere to go. Look at the examples of Stalingrad and Voronezh, civilians stayed there and survived. But many remained and did not survive.

If the infantry digs in in the city, it will have to be destroyed, or there will be losses like in Stalingrad - and the city will also be destroyed.

Why do we need a dead, destroyed city?

By the way, why do we need it undestroyed? Are we running out of cities?

The task is to break the will to resist and achieve a profitable peace; for this it is necessary to inflict as many losses as possible in manpower - first of all, since the West will compensate for the loss of equipment, and there is no one to replace people.

It only makes sense to move beyond the LDPR and those regions that we have already declared ours towards Odessa to cut off Ukraine from the sea, this will force them to make peace, without the sea they will simply fall apart. At the same time, Odessa itself may not be taken; it is enough to block the Black Sea ports and make them inoperative. This is where the fairy tale ends.


But these are most likely dreams, due to the lack of resources for such an event. I reason from the point of view that if there is an opportunity to take something, then you need to go to Odessa.

[SergM]

Quote: S.Z.

If the city is defended, it will be impossible to take it without destroying it. Do we really need the ruins of Kharkov, under which hundreds of thousands of its former residents are buried?

“Civilized” European fascists never asked such questions, and they demolished such obstacles straight away: they massacred entire cities and regions. Remember the centuries-long sessions of bloody massacre in Britain: wars to destroy the Britons against the Saxons, the Anglo-Saxons against the Scots, the genocide of landless peasants, the era of Cromwell, the reign of Henry the 8th. Then we “smoothly” move on to the British occupation and robbery of France, which ended only with the advent of Saint Joan of Arc. This is only in “civilized Europe”. And outside Europe at the same time: genocide in and around India. Drug genocide in China. Slave genocide in Africa.... This is even minus the constant attacks on us. And so we smoothly approach the modern King of Pedophiles - King Charles 3rd of Britain. And this is only for Britain. And if we also remember the wars of the Catholic Huguenots... And current ones: virus creators, poisoners like Bill Gates....
So let’s not forget: with whom we are dealing, and in relation to them we do not bother ourselves with stupid moral questions.
As for Kharkov, yes, as it is written here, the correct tactics and practice have now begun in relation to Kharkov: “let’s turn off the lights.” As one authoritative monk from the Trinity-Sergius Lavra noted: “a modern city without electricity is a grave.” What will you do when water stops flowing into your home, even into the toilet? And these “motivated Azov-Banderaites” are extremely spoiled and well-fed boars. They, like any criminals, always and under any circumstances think only about their well-being. Without the comfort required by American standards, they will cook in their own juice very quickly. The smartest and resourceful ones will have time to escape along a long-trodden road: to Canada. The rest should either be killed or resettled forever across the Dnieper. The main thing is that such an independentist as Khrushchev does not reign in Russia again, who not only released these Banderaites from prison, but also seated them in leadership positions (this is in addition to the appropriation of Crimea and leadership in the bloody “purges” of Russians in the 1930s). From which all these Yushchenkos, Kravchuks and Kuchmas later grew. By the way, about the nit Kuchma. Do you know where this Kuchma is now: and it is - Kuchma is now a resident of Monaco, he lives there in his own mansion. This week they showed a video: Kuchma was walking along the Monaco embankment with Nordic walking poles, surrounded by 2 armed gorillas. This is the one who, as president, issued a program book: “Ukraine is not Russia.” What a crap you are, Leonid Danilovich, what a crap, just Kuchma = Mazepa No. 2. “Ukraine” - according to your program, not Russia, but you - fulfilled its real personal program of a Euro-fascist: it settled in Monaco. It turns out they have a whole area there. They drink tea with “our” Isinbayeva and Rybolovlev, and talk about “Ukraine is not Russia.” The last of the Fuhrers and just greedy scoundrels.
So: watch a film about Alexey Mozgovoy - on his memory day and birthday, it inspires:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX9RJFWyp-0

[S.Z.]

“Civilized” European fascists never asked such questions, and they demolished such obstacles straight away: they massacred entire cities and regions.

I'm talking about modern times, starting from the beginning of the 20th century.

As for our history, it is no less bloody than the British one; cities were also taken from us and plundered, woe to the vanquished.

In the event of a power outage, not everyone will leave a large city - some will simply have nowhere to go. There are examples of such cities - for example, Stalingrad or my Voronezh. What kind of electricity is there? There is nothing left of the cities there. But some population crawled out of the ruins after liberation - these people survived. But more didn't survive than survived.

[the same doctor]

I’m not sure that there are more than 200 thousand civilians left in Kharkov today. Yes, and they work for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[S.Z.]

If civilians work for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, can they be destroyed?

[the same doctor]

Today, when we do not need resources, territories, or population, why should we strive for territorial conquests?
In conditions when the West can supply Ukraine with any equipment in any quantity, why should we strive to destroy this equipment?
Why should we spare the ukrovoyaks and force them out? So that later, at a new frontier, already seasoned and trained bander warriors would kill our soldiers again?
.
no, the only correct criterion for success today can be the destruction of enemy personnel. Where the thief was noticed, kill him there. Seize with a death grip and destroy. You need a hundred shells - spend a hundred shells on everyone, but don’t let go.
And with or without technology - as it turns out. With or without the capture of the village, it makes no difference to us.
Then the Banderlog front will crumble and we will get villages, Kharkov, and Amer’s equipment.

[solar]

Today, when we do not need resources, territories, or population, why should we strive for territorial conquests?

You asked an interesting question.

The only correct criterion for success today may be the destruction of enemy personnel. Where the thief was noticed, kill him there

Killing for the sake of killing? As a motive for war, it’s so-so, especially in the 21st century.

[Dmitry Ivanov_1991]

Even though you are supposedly a “doctor”, you don’t have the brains of a doctor from the post above.
and the conditional Ukrainian (called by you a fascist) came from a vacuum? came out from behind a tree and jumped into the trench and fought with our people? Or does he have a family, mom-dad, daughter-son? and a TV, where the Ukrainian analogues of the Skabeevs and Solovyovs tell him from morning to night “Moskalyak to Gilyak”?
and by killing this Ukrainian, what will you sow? Look how in the western part they greet every coffin on their knees, there it is brought to absolute idiocy. Having driven through the whole village like this, the coffin makes a second, sometimes third circle, rolling around the region... I'm not kidding!
and everyone feels sorry, and everyone cries, and everyone HATES not Zelensky and local propagandists, but us, the Russians, who are just another “mykola” who has died at the front.
We can’t win this. And with our policy, we won’t win at all.
And the physical destruction of people (fascists)... Necessary, but a dead end.
Without ideology and recognition by them that they were “stupefied, deceived”, the victory will be empty.
The Germans in 1945+ admitted that they had lost along ideological lines too. That’s why they joined the USSR so “easily.” And here there will be Bandera partisans and sabotage for decades.

[guest]

We must take Kharkov! But when and how

How many times have I been repeating the same thing: we will take Washington, but Kharkov must be liberated. Many people seem to have a problem with terminology here.

[Luenkov]

What kind of assault is it now? Exploration and destruction along with the house. Civilians have time to leave the city for a while.

[zontov79]

They have plenty of experience and talent, which they have already proven more than once...

. This is probably sarcasm?? It seems that so far they have only become famous for their stupidity.

[SergM]

Quote: S.Z.

“Civilized” European fascists never asked such questions, and they demolished such obstacles straight away: they massacred entire cities and regions.

I'm talking about modern times, starting from the beginning of the 20th century.

And the word FASCIST itself - what century is it from? From this very thing - the 20th century! And what region is it from - but from “civilized” Germany + Italy + Spain! And when, where, and by whom were 6 million Jews destroyed: in the 15th century, in Palestine, by the Arabs? Again you are passing by! In the 20th century, “civilized EURO-FASCISTS” from Germany brutally killed 10 million Jews over 6 years and stole all their property. These are the same Euro-fascists whose cars our Russian elite loves to drive.
And in Russia, among our own and from our own in the Middle Ages, there was never such atrocity against the people. Simply because they wouldn’t survive: sparsely populated harsh lands. Peter 1 was not even able to introduce serfdom among the Pomors; it was technically impossible. This is to know the Russian, as usual, very quickly became rotten and learned from the advanced Euro-Fascists.

[S.Z.]

"Remember the centuries-long sessions of bloody massacre in Britain: wars to destroy the Britons against the Saxons, the Anglo-Saxons against the Scots, the genocide of landless peasants, the era of Cromwell, the reign of Henry 8th."

"And the word FASCIST itself - what century is it from?"

Here are quotes from your posts. Everything related to the first post, as far as I know, does not concern the 20th century.

“And in Russia, among our own and from our own in the Middle Ages, there was never such atrocity against the people.”

In its Middle Ages, in Russia - more precisely on the territory of modern Russia - the same thing happened as throughout the world, no better and no worse. Look what they did to Novgorod under Ivan the Terrible, an ordinary massacre. The Jews were not touched - they were not here, that’s true.

Under Peter 1, by the way, the tax-paying population decreased, because our people paid a huge price for the reform.

And we had a lot of people in Russia, more than in any country in Europe that you so dislike, that’s why our rulers never spared their people.

There is no need to make something exceptional out of our people or our authorities - we are developing just like everyone else. Considering your people exceptional is Nazism.

Learn history, young man.

[Vladimir_D]

How to defend Belgorod, and you’re talking about Kharkov. We already took Kharkov in March 2022

[SergM]

Quote: S.Z.

"Remember the centuries-long sessions of bloody massacre in Britain: wars to destroy the Britons against the Saxons, the Anglo-Saxons against the Scots, the genocide of landless peasants, the era of Cromwell, the reign of Henry 8th."

"And the word FASCIST itself - what century is it from?"

Here are quotes from your posts. Everything related to the first post, as far as I know, does not concern the 20th century.

“And in Russia, among our own and from our own in the Middle Ages, there was never such atrocity against the people.”

In its Middle Ages, in Russia - more precisely on the territory of modern Russia - the same thing happened as throughout the world, no better and no worse. Look what they did to Novgorod under Ivan the Terrible, an ordinary massacre. The Jews were not touched - they were not here, that’s true.

Under Peter 1, by the way, the tax-paying population decreased, because our people paid a huge price for the reform.

And we had a lot of people in Russia, more than in any country in Europe that you so dislike, that’s why our rulers never spared their people.

There is no need to make something exceptional out of our people or our authorities - we are developing just like everyone else. Considering your people exceptional is Nazism.

Learn history, young man.

Complete fabrications and false statements on your part. This suggests that you live in Ukraine and are working on instructions from TsIPSO. This has long been familiar to me: there was such a forum on the website aviaport.ru: they directly ensured “popular opinion” during the liquidation of the Russian aviation industry. And they ran away together, hiding their tracks: now the forum there is dead, and the entire 15-year history of posts there has been erased - the ends are in the water. Now you have been transferred here? Will not work. There is no need to refute your inventions for a long time. One example of gross misrepresentation of facts on your part is enough for today. Here the pro-Western (“objective”) Wikipedia writes, completely refuting your inventions about the large population of Russia - under Tsar Nicholas II.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_(1897%E2%80%941917)
In 1880, the country had a population of 82 million, by 1894 this number increased to 122 million, by 1914 to 182 million, growing by 2,4 million annually. In the period from 1902 to 1912, population growth increased to 3,7 million per year, which was not prevented even by the 1905 revolution and the Russo-Japanese War[1].
We have never had anywhere near the same population density as Europe. The regions of Southern Russia began to be noticeably populated only under Catherine and later, after the victory over Turkey: during the construction of Odessa, Kherson, etc. - to Dnepropetrovsk. Kharkov was populated somewhat earlier, etc.
Don't try: your inventions won't work here.

Considering your people exceptional is Nazism.

Look what you made up. No, dear, Fascism is the extermination of EUROPEANS - Russians, Jews, Indians, Chinese, Africans, American Indians, etc. Nothing will work for you: you are trying to attack the wrong people.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: SergM

Look what you made up. No, dear, Fascism is the extermination of EUROPEANS - Russians, Jews, Indians, Chinese, Africans, American Indians, etc.

Fascism, regardless of your efforts to tie it exclusively to Europeans, has no nationality; whoever acts like a fascist is a fascist.. and without excuses.. also tell me that the Japanese in WW2 were not fascists, worse than the Germans.. or they are not Europeans..

[S.Z.]

"Total fabrications and false statements on your part."
This is not true, someone deceived you.

"We've never had anywhere near the population density of Europe."
And what does population density have to do with it, if we are talking about numbers? Armies are not recruited from relative sizes.

"The regions of Southern Russia began to be noticeably populated only under Catherine and later, after the victory over Turkey: during the construction of Odessa, Kherson, etc. - until Dnepropetrovsk."

:) Yes, having partially evicted those who lived there before - this was not the territory of southern Russia, but khanates, vassals of Turkey.

“Look, what did you come up with. No, dear, Fascism is the extermination of EUROPEANS - Russians, Jews, Indians, Chinese, Africans, American Indians, etc.”

:) Someone deceived you, don’t believe him - besides, I was talking about Nazism, and this is not the same thing as fascism. Your education scares me. Read something smart other than propaganda.

“You won’t succeed: you’re trying to attack the wrong people.”
We drank for brotherhood? Or are you naturally rude?

"This suggests that you live in Ukraine and are working on instructions from TsIPSO"
Well, that’s what you have, as smart as an enemy. :) I'm afraid to upset you, I'm Russian and live in Voronezh. I had a USSR passport, where it was written that I was Russian - today nationality is not written down anywhere, so many who consider themselves Russian are mistaken or lying. There are no documents :) Well, this is irony, if you know what I mean.

By the way, my thoughts are the thoughts of a Russian patriot, which I sincerely consider myself to be. Your thoughts are the thoughts of a classic Nazi.

“They directly ensured “popular opinion” during the liquidation of the Russian aviation industry.”

The Russian auto industry was liquidated by the Russian authorities - the same as now, without any help, they simply did not need it.

[MBRSS]

Quote: Staver

We ultimately take the city into a semicircle, pressing the Ukrainian Armed Forces against the river...

Which river? If it’s to the Dnieper, then it’s actually a bit far from Kharkov. It’s time to hold back these urry-patriotic “cavalry attacks” until there is a new mobilization of 500 thousand and the mobilization of the economy for victory. No one is going to dispossess the oligarchs, but they will be pushed towards Minsk-3. That's how it all ends.

[Alexey Lantukh]

According to Ukrainian more or less plausible analysts, the Russian Armed Forces have 100 thousand reserves, which I am inclined to believe, especially since the staff of the ground army has been increased by two armies. With such numbers, a strategic offensive is impossible and taking Kharkov is unrealistic. It is realistic, even if not completely, to retain for ourselves those territories that have already been included in Russia. Why don't they increase the army? Who knows? My version: we simply have a shortage of weapons. I think the 100 thousand that came under the contract during the winter are mainly used to make up for the loss.

[Nastia makarova]

It’s not a matter of a shortage of weapons, although in some areas there is a large shortage, how much additional money will this 500k be spent per month? just count one salary

[Deon59]

302 thousand mobilized, about 2024 thousand signed a contract until 420, 100 thousand signed a contract since the new year. So where are they? Every day 1700 people sign a contract, these are official figures

[Nesvoy]

Quote from solar

Boys could run after girls, play computer games, sing around the fire, and they were lying somewhere on the ground.

Yes, it’s hard to imagine a more senseless war than this one :((

Call the press! Have you fully understood this now?

[PavelT]

Let me take a little liberties, that is, fantasize about how it would be possible to take Kharkov...

You can fantasize without forgetting that it is only fantasies.
Otherwise, the General Staff of the Northern Military District planned approximately the same in February 2022.

To avoid repeating the same planning/imagining mistakes highly recommend read here: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7901170.html ABOUT THE FIRST STORM Kharkov at the end of February 2022.
After reading that story about the “assault” of a million-plus city with an area of ​​350 km2 by the forces of the supposedly 2nd OBRSpN + 25th Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade (25th Motorized Rifle Brigade) and units of the FSVNG (Rosguard), one thing became clear to me: there was some kind of diplomatic/intelligence bullshit, agreements, promises of a coup in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, support for locals...

Obviously, the miracle geek Medvedchuk promised all this... but he didn’t do a damn thing - maybe he’s just a double agent of the SBU/NATO. Well fulfilled his role as a provocateur. And he is still leading our intelligence services and the Supreme Commander by the nose. I wouldn't be surprised...

In fact, Kharkov was attacked by TWO special forces companies of the 2nd OBRSpN, who managed to enter the city VERY deep, it is not clear why. At the same time, completely losing contact with the rest of the units, without providing themselves with an escape route, or at least temporary supply lines.
They arrived almost to the central station, where they were ambushed. Why was it necessary to do this?
My answer is this: they were promised that in the center of Kharkov someone would meet them, help them, supply them with military equipment, surrender the city, and turn local troops against Kyiv.
We all now know how such promises end in war...

[Moneron]

and Ukraine needs to be taken. but where can I get the strength? There are few of us left for such a huge country...and even for such a protracted bloody war. The regions are not rubber.

[newtc7]

Only the southeast, let the Poles get Banderstat

[Angry_Soviet_Zionist]

...Take Khorkoff, don’t take Khorkoff...
Take care of civilians... Take care of our soldiers...
Do not take care of civilians (they are all smeared with the same lard as Bandera)... Assault head on... Etc. Etc.

In my opinion (IMHO) everything will be resolved over time... And in a relatively short time...
In the sense that the matter is coming and will come, and will come up against the fact... that: EITHER WE THEM... OR THEY ARE US...

Then we will fight... It will be approximately like during the Second Chechen War...
And we’ll take Khorkoff and we’ll take Kyiv... (More precisely: football fields and ruins...), and the Lemberg pit will have to be decontaminated, quite possibly...
It is also clear that about the interests of the “peaceful Bandera population” in a situation where: “EITHER WE THEM... OR THEY ARE US...” -
It's unlikely that anyone will seriously think about it...

[Sergei Timofeich]

The North Koreans are knocking their feet, they want to fight with the American bedding....

[newtc7]

It is best to take Kharkov... after first destroying the Ukrainian army in battles in the conditional Marinka and Avdeeyevka....

[Igor1915]

Such a city cannot be taken without very heavy losses, only Yao, it will also not result in starvation - a humanitarian catastrophe - there will be a howl throughout the entire globe. The Russian Federation has only one opportunity to end in victory - to disintegrate Ukrainian society. Anyone who thinks otherwise, go to the front line or talk to the participants.

[SergM]

Quote: S.Z.

"Total fabrications and false statements on your part."
This is not true, someone deceived you.

"We've never had anywhere near the population density of Europe."
And what does population density have to do with it, if we are talking about numbers? Armies are not recruited from relative sizes.

"The regions of Southern Russia began to be noticeably populated only under Catherine and later, after the victory over Turkey: during the construction of Odessa, Kherson, etc. - until Dnepropetrovsk."

:) Yes, having partially evicted those who lived there before - this was not the territory of southern Russia, but khanates, vassals of Turkey.

“Look, what did you come up with. No, dear, Fascism is the extermination of EUROPEANS - Russians, Jews, Indians, Chinese, Africans, American Indians, etc.”

:) Someone deceived you, don’t believe him - besides, I was talking about Nazism, and this is not the same thing as fascism. Your education scares me. Read something smart other than propaganda.

“You won’t succeed: you’re trying to attack the wrong people.”
We drank for brotherhood? Or are you naturally rude?

"This suggests that you live in Ukraine and are working on instructions from TsIPSO"
Well, that’s what you have, as smart as an enemy. :) I'm afraid to upset you, I'm Russian and live in Voronezh. I had a USSR passport, where it was written that I was Russian - today nationality is not written down anywhere, so many who consider themselves Russian are mistaken or lying. There are no documents :) Well, this is irony, if you know what I mean.

By the way, my thoughts are the thoughts of a Russian patriot, which I sincerely consider myself to be. Your thoughts are the thoughts of a classic Nazi.

“They directly ensured “popular opinion” during the liquidation of the Russian aviation industry.”

The Russian auto industry was liquidated by the Russian authorities - the same as now, without any help, they simply did not need it.

I hear from the boor: it was you who called me “a young man” above and instructed me to “learn history.” Although you yourself constantly lie and deceive on all the historical issues and periods raised. As for the “native Voronezh resident” - don’t screw me over here: to distort Russian history the way you do is taught in the Ukrainian NATO information warfare centers, with the specific goal of brainwashing Russia. Therefore, don’t try to show me your “real passport of a native Voronezh resident” here. This has all been known for a long time: I, like my colleagues at the Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, have received numerous calls from your Ukrainian telephone terrorists from fake numbers and are constantly wanting something and intimidating me with something. So, don’t get your hopes up: your “Voronezh origin” doesn’t convince me at all.
And you constantly change the subject when I expose your lies with specific background facts. I provided a reference book on the population of Russia towards the end of the Russian Empire, refuting your lie about the “atrocities of Russian tsars against their people,” similar to European monster rulers. So: all reference books refute this lie of yours: at the time of the largest territory, which included all of Central Asia and its population, from the beginning to the end of the reign of Nicholas 2nd, the population of Russia grew from only 80 million to the current level (on a much smaller territory now) 145 million
That is, the population of the entire gigantic Russian Empire at the beginning of the last tsar was equal to the current population of Britain and the current population of Germany. Compare territories. So the Russian tsars could not possibly carry out such genocide of their peoples as was done by the European usurper monsters. Tsar Ivan the Terrible executed in Novgorod, according to various estimates, from 4 to 1500 people. Although he, of course, was wrong. And that's why he ended badly. Which cannot be compared with his European contemporaries. And it completely refutes the inventions of such pseudo-historians of different eras, the modern representative of which is the writer Solzhenitsyn (with a telling surname). Russian historians of Radio Radonezh studied his vile inventions very well. But Ivan the 3000th in the Tsarist history of Russia was like this one tsar, and European monsters replaced one another. True, it was the Kyiv princes of an earlier period, with their apparently selfish European soul, who distinguished themselves with truly exceptional meanness and cruelty, even towards their relatives (the current Kuchma is a good illustration of the Kyiv rulers). Which led Russia to punishment by the Mongol-Tatar yoke, as a result of which the Kiev metropolis lost both its moral and physical right to the capital and center of Russian civilization.
I will address you exclusively as you: as a boor and a deceiver. Since the Constitution of Russia establishes such a “you” address as legal.
And yet, yes - Fascists are EUROPEANS! Don’t worry, agents of the Ukrainian TsIPSO, you won’t be able to crush me here. I'm telling you exactly.

[S.Z.]

“I hear from a boor: it was you who called me a “young man” and instructed me to “learn history.” Although you yourself constantly lie and deceive on all the historical issues and periods raised.”

:) I'm not calling names, I just see that in terms of development you are a young man who does not know the history of Russia.

"taught at the Ukrainian NATO Information Warfare Centers"

Well, if you studied there, then I didn’t, how should I know :)

"And you keep changing the subject when I expose your lies with specific background facts."

You have never exposed anything, I hope you are sincerely mistaken :) However, if you still study history, then perhaps all is not lost.

“Tsar Ivan the Terrible executed in Novgorod, according to various estimates, from 4 to 1500 people. Although he, of course, was wrong. And therefore he ended badly.”

:) And after this phrase, do you still want to claim that you are an adult? This is the reasoning of a child!

Give figures, how much did Peter the Great's reforms cost in people? How much has the tax-paying population decreased?

“True, it was the Kyiv princes of an earlier period, with their apparently selfish European soul, who distinguished themselves by truly exceptional meanness and cruelty, even towards their relatives (the current Kuchma is a good illustration of the Kyiv rulers). Which led Russia to punishment by the Mongol-Tatar yoke, as a result of which the Kiev metropolis lost both its moral and physical right to the capital and center of Russian civilization."

Oh, what nonsense! I copied this, let's have a laugh with the guys at our leisure.

“I will address you exclusively as you: as a boor and a deceiver.”

Whatever you want, children often behave rudely, but they don’t understand that they don’t understand anything.

“Since the Constitution of Russia establishes such an address, on a “you” basis, as legal.”

Oh, you are not just a young boorish ignorant, you are apparently also a drunken young rude ignoramus!

"And yet, yes - the Nazis are EUROPEANS!"

So are you European? No? Asian?

“Don’t worry, agents of the Ukrainian TsIPSO, you won’t be able to run me over here.”

:) Study better, young man! Or is it time to get treatment? :)

[Deon59]

Instead of demolishing Lviv, we are demolishing the Russian city of Kharkov.

[acetophenone]

I think that first of all we need to resolve the issue with the Black Sea coast. Tactically, strategically, and politically this is more important. But Kharkov is not worth those of our soldiers who will die during its assault. The assault on a millionaire... no, our advantages are leveled out there. This issue must be resolved differently.

[Anyuta Glorious]

Judging by other indirect signs, Vova and his mighty general staff will begin an assault on Kharkov in the summer, and maybe at the same time Kherson. And even they understand that losses in urban battles are always the highest. Therefore, we need not only more soldiers and weapons, but also more doctors.
What is the main indirect sign that the enemy knows about the upcoming assaults? And the main sign is that the enemy WANTS these assaults! For the same simple reason: city assaults and assaults on large populated areas are long-term military operations with high losses for the Russian army. What is the US task in this war? Change power in Russia. To do this, we must try to ruin Russia economically and inflict maximum damage on people - so that the population demands a change in power to a “more effective” pro-American government and an end to the war. Therefore, NATO is overwhelming the Armed Forces of Ukraine with small arms, communications equipment, grenade launchers, mines - these are the very weapons that are most effective in defending cities. And very cheap. And the rest of the weapons - guns, tanks, airplanes, artillery ammunition - they will have to wait, a patamushta like “Congress doesn’t give money.” That is, the Americans continue to control this war. Of course they continue.
An effective assault on a large city begins with its complete encirclement. Otherwise, it will turn out like in the Russian-Turkish war, when General Engineer Totleben was surprised to discover that the encircled most important Turkish defense point of Plevna was not giving up and was not going to give up, because there was de facto no encirclement - one big road was clear and along it to the Turks constantly Ammunition is being delivered and reinforcements are arriving. To surround a city like Kharkov or Kherson would already be a feat of military thought for Vova’s generals.
Practically, I expect huge losses for our army in the next year of hostilities.
Theoretically, I pray to God to contribute to the advice, wisdom, success and military art of our soldiers and generals. But for this they must be... believers.

[jnik]

Surrounding cities (like sitting in a field around a city) now does not work as well as in WWII due to well-developed satellite and drone reconnaissance. The surrounding people will not have time to build fortifications, because... they will all be shot at or mined: some on the road, and some in an open field. For this reason, a different tactic involving entering the city has long been used.

[Anyuta Glorious]

The news recently arrived that the authorities in the outskirts are forcibly evacuating 47 settlements. That’s all bullshit. They are evacuating a measly amount to show off to the “world community.” The civilian population of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is used as a cover, and Bandera’s followers will always do so. And they have been preparing the defense there for a long time. What other tactics are you writing about? We’ve been storming every important village for months, how long do you think we’ll storm Kharkov?

[volgast1970]

The siege (suffocation) option is the most optimal. In this case, the city should definitely be deprived of communications (all radio traffic, including satellites, is jammed) and energy supply. + constant targeted strikes on detected support forces.

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

There is no point in taking cities. Generally. And Kharkov in particular.
Having the means to eliminate the top command leadership, what is happening in the SVO is nothing more than an imitation. SVO for the sake of SVO. Nothing more.

[Vladimir Lenin]

Of course, the logic is “aftar”, complete “akhtung” - “To take or not to take, that is the question”! Hamlet nervously smokes on the sidelines! “Of course, take two at once, 0,5 each, so as not to have to run twice! Even if it’s to Kharkov!” But this is all lyrics. Because the task then is: “Where to move after the capture of Kharkov”?! If the author does not have a clear answer to this question, where will he come from? After all, the author is not an active military man; he does not plan military operations, neither at the tactical nor at the strategic level! Oh yes, he’s talking about dreaming! Well, dreaming, as they say, is harmless. I’ll just add on my own behalf. Yes, Kharkov, of course, will be liberated in the foreseeable future, I believe in it!

[Zaurbek]

You can take the operation to storm Bakhmut and Avdeevka as a model and scale it up to the size / population of Kharkov... and the scale of the group, forces and means and losses will be clear.

[SergM]

Quote: S.Z.

“I hear from a boor: it was you who called me a “young man” and instructed me to “learn history.” Although you yourself constantly lie and deceive on all the historical issues and periods raised.”

:) I'm not calling names, I just see that in terms of development you are a young man who does not know the history of Russia.

"taught at the Ukrainian NATO Information Warfare Centers"

Well, if you studied there, then I didn’t, how should I know :)

"And you keep changing the subject when I expose your lies with specific background facts."

You have never exposed anything, I hope you are sincerely mistaken :) However, if you still study history, then perhaps all is not lost.

“Tsar Ivan the Terrible executed in Novgorod, according to various estimates, from 4 to 1500 people. Although he, of course, was wrong. And therefore he ended badly.”

:) And after this phrase, do you still want to claim that you are an adult? This is the reasoning of a child!

Give figures, how much did Peter the Great's reforms cost in people? How much has the tax-paying population decreased?

“True, it was the Kyiv princes of an earlier period, with their apparently selfish European soul, who distinguished themselves by truly exceptional meanness and cruelty, even towards their relatives (the current Kuchma is a good illustration of the Kyiv rulers). Which led Russia to punishment by the Mongol-Tatar yoke, as a result of which the Kiev metropolis lost both its moral and physical right to the capital and center of Russian civilization."

Oh, what nonsense! I copied this, let's have a laugh with the guys at our leisure.

“I will address you exclusively as you: as a boor and a deceiver.”

Whatever you want, children often behave rudely, but they don’t understand that they don’t understand anything.

“Since the Constitution of Russia establishes such an address, on a “you” basis, as legal.”

Oh, you are not just a young boorish ignorant, you are apparently also a drunken young rude ignoramus!

"And yet, yes - the Nazis are EUROPEANS!"

So are you European? No? Asian?

“Don’t worry, agents of the Ukrainian TsIPSO, you won’t be able to run me over here.”

:) Study better, young man! Or is it time to get treatment? :)

[SergM]

Will you laugh there in Kyiv? Well, laugh and laugh, our horse-like arrogant brothers. You have a little time left to laugh there in Kyiv, and then your ancient Ukrainian Kiev laugh will end forever. And for you, the professorial laugh will also stop, even though you are seen as a professor among the Ukrainians: “he teaches history to Muscovites”

[Frank Muller]

Indeed, among the Russian population there is still a strong mood of mischief-making: “The French will come, we’ll kill everyone!”, “We fertilize the land with thousands of Ukrainians every day!”, “The Armed Forces of Ukraine are scattering, soon there will be no one to staff them - everyone is turning into deserters!” It’s as if the past two years of SVO have taught the domestic public nothing. Shoigu recently announced that over the past months of the year, the Russian Armed Forces have cleared as many as 400 square kilometers of territory from the Ukrainian army! Ideally, this would be an area of ​​20 X 20 km, which would be slightly larger in size than Kharkov. So there's a lot to think about. Just think - don't think, plan - don't plan, those who occupy the offices of power will decide and act. And they seem to be more interested in the projects that have “no alternative”, only, most likely, with a different geographical name.

[Dmitry Ivanov_1991]

Those who are most jingoistic are those who have not been to the hospital or served in the army.
I have already visited two acquaintances in the hospital, listened to “what it’s like there” and the jingoism has long since disappeared. There is a mature understanding that all these funny reports from Konashenkov and the arrows on the maps were drawn with the blood of a simple man, most often a Russian, and these simple men in the rear will now be greatly missed. And to replace them, the Tajik Vova brings us his brothers of reason in huge quantities, so that later they sit on benefits and their “children” beat or cut to death local defenseless people. And the courts gave them conditions or minimum sentences, because some “ diaspora" came to the defense. Somehow we don’t have Russian diasporas and no one comes to our defense when something like this happens, but in the opposite direction. That's how we live. And we will have to unravel the consequences of this policy of the Tajik warrior for decades.

[jnik]

It sounds like a naive Tsipso training manual: like, urgently give up the war with the green NATO doll and run to the rear, where migrants are supposedly killing everyone in terrible numbers. This manual was actively disseminated after the terrorist attack, from which Western ears are sticking out. For some reason, the largest number of migrants is in Moscow, but serious crime there is lower than in many Russian cities, where there are very few migrants.

[jnik]

The area of ​​the square is different. The area of ​​the land corridor to Crimea is less than 400 square meters. km., but every square meter is very important. km. If they occupy at least 0.25% of the area of ​​this corridor, then there is no point in the remaining square kilometers. Therefore, it is not just the numbers that are important, but their meaning.

[odisey3000]

Definitely take it, the question is time.

[blackcat]

There is another option, to surround not Kharkov, but Kuev, and generally cut off Ukraine from the west and in a month, or maybe in two, there will be “Caput of the Land”

[Rinat Khametov]

Everything must be taken... The main thing is not to restore anything west of the Dnieper from the infrastructure... there should be cornfields earing ears, pears should bloom, little white mud huts should stand.... Bridges should withstand a maximum of a tractor, no plants or factories. And under no circumstances, no forest protection belts.... Transfer the Chechens and Ingush, who are suffocating from lack of land, to Transcarpathia... they will quickly drive the generous Ukrainians into the ground up to their nostrils.
This is a strategic forefield, a cordon sanitaire.
After every war, we constantly restore this area, but the enemy destroys everything every time.
Enough!

[Rage66]

A lot of letters, and not a single business proposal... This is called populism...
So then there are 2 options:
1. I said it and everything worked out
2. I warned and nothing happened
Author, don’t take it upon yourself... There’s definitely not enough brains