“I won’t take anyone except Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians”

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“I won’t take anyone except Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians”
Cavalry unit of the German army, recruited from collaborators, in the North Caucasus. 1942


Educational work


The Soviet military-political leadership had to make titanic efforts and spend large resources to ensure the security of military units in which many representatives of small nations fought (“The mixed national composition of divisions creates enormous difficulties”). In 1942–1943 The Soviet leadership had to urgently rectify the situation.



In addition to the disbandment of such units, the main organizational measures were aimed at an information (agitation and propaganda) campaign among non-Russian nationalities in order to increase their civic responsibility, patriotism, etc. Propaganda materials, brochures, leaflets were widely published, rallies and radio broadcasts were organized in local languages etc. Even previously unclaimed and persecuted religious figures began to be attracted to the side of the authorities.

The Main Political Directorate of the Red Army (GlavPURKKA) issued Directive No. 12 “On educational work with Red Army soldiers and junior commanders of non-Russian nationality” by the head of GlavPURKKA A. N. Shcherbakov dated September 17, 1942.

The results of the implementation of this directive were summed up in his speech at a meeting of agitators by the head of GlavPURKKA Shcherbakov on August 5, 1943. During the Patriotic War, Shcherbakov said, the Red Army became truly multinational. This is the result of the party’s work, its national policy.


The collaborator is a volunteer of the Karachay cavalry squadron, created on the territory of the Malokarachayevsky district of the Karachay Autonomous Region occupied by the Wehrmacht. 1942

Restrictions for "non-European peoples"


The reality was actually not so rosy.

In particular, the The Kremlin is ending the mass conscription into the army of representatives of those nationalities whose political loyalty, as well as their combat stamina during modern warfare, has raised serious doubts. A number of secret decrees of the State Defense Committee, orders of the People's Commissariat of Defense (NKO) and directives of the head of the Main Directorate for the formation and staffing of the Red Army (Glavupraforma) are issued, aimed at restrictions on conscription and military service in relation to non-Slavic and non-European peoples. Among them were part of the Transcaucasian peoples, the peoples of the Middle Caucasus and Central Asia.

It is worth noting that already in 1941, such restrictions were introduced for a number of nationalities that lived on the border and historically were previously part of the Persian and Turkish empires. These included the Kurds, Adjarians, Khevsurs, Svans, etc. In April 1942, the headquarters of the North Caucasus Military District received a directive from the head of the Head of the Glavupraform) Army Commissar of the 1st Rank E. A. Shchadenko, according to which all military personnel were ordered to Private and junior officers from Chechens and Ingush should be transferred to the reserve. In August 1942, representatives of the indigenous peoples of Dagestan were transferred to the reserve.

Thus, despite a broad information campaign “on the friendship of peoples,” “internationalism of the Red Army,” etc., the Soviet leadership had to take drastic measures to limit the conscription of “non-Slavic and non-European” nationalities. The “War of Motors” showed their inability to combat.

Termination of conscription


The issue was eventually resolved in a radical way.

Directive of the Glavupraform No. M/1/1493 of October 9, 1943 exempted the peoples of the North Caucasus from service. Conscripts born in 1926 from among the “local nationalities” of the South Caucasus (Armenians, Georgians and Azerbaijanis) and Central Asia (Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Turkmen and Kyrgyz) were also exempt from conscription. In November 1943, the conscription of conscripts of “indigenous nationalities” from the Central Asian republics into the active army was stopped.

The total number of nationalities that were not drafted into the army reached 1943 at the end of 43. This practically coincided with the number of nationalities that were not drafted into the army of the Russian Empire. The circle is closed.

Soviet leadership in many areas, including the army, returned to the practices of the tsarist government. De facto, Moscow recognized that most of the peoples of the national outskirts have not yet grown up to the “war of engines”; people lived there in the past.

It is worth noting that in the fall of 1944, the conscription of recruits of “indigenous nationalities” of Transcaucasian peoples into the Red Army was partially restored. But conscripts from the South Caucasus born in 1926 entered the army along with so-called conscripts. “European” nationalities (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Jews) born in 1927, after intensive training in general education subjects, the Russian language and military affairs.

By the Decree of the State Defense Committee of October 25, 1944, conscripts born in 1927 of the Transcaucasian and Central Asian republics, Dagestan, Kabardian, North Ossetian Autonomous Republics, Adygea and Circassian Autonomous Regions were exempted from conscription.

They tried to compensate for the refusal of conscription of indigenous nationalities by other measures. In particular, volunteers were recruited into the army. But they turned out to be few. For example, in Checheno-Ingushetia there were so few volunteers that the campaign had to be curtailed.

Also, the Soviet leadership tried to use conscripts from Central Asia and the Caucasus for work in the rear. However, sending labor contingents from Central Asia to factories, factories and mines of the RSFSR turned out to be not the best solution.

Workers from Central Asia had problems with the Russian language, did not have the qualifications and skills to work at military-industrial complex enterprises and in construction, could not withstand harsh, unusual working and living conditions, etc. As a result, they did not meet production standards and often got sick , there were many deserters among them, etc. A significant number of Central Asian workers had to be sent home based on the conclusion of medical commissions.

As a result, on the “labor front” the authorities first had to resolve basic issues: mass propaganda work, studying general education and specialized subjects, improving the production skills of workers, improving their living conditions, etc.

Exceptions


It is interesting that in a number of regions of the USSR the creation of national formations and units was not a problem. This concerned the European peoples of the USSR.

In 1941, Latvian, Estonian and Lithuanian divisions were formed. They were replenished with mobilized conscripts, evacuated from the Baltic states, from the party and Soviet activists, fighters of workers and extermination battalions, police officers and NKVD workers of local nationalities. That is, if some of the local residents actively collaborated with the Nazis, joining the ranks of punitive and police units, then the other part honestly served in the Red Army.

During the war, the 130th Latvian Rifle Corps of the Order of Suvorov, the 8th Estonian Rifle Corps and the 16th Lithuanian Rifle Klaipeda Division were formed. These formations went through the entire war, liberated their small homeland and ended the war in Courland.

True, Soviet commanders assessed their combat effectiveness as low. Thus, the commander of the Kalinin Front, General (in the future - Marshal) A. Eremenko, noted in his diary dated July 28, 1943:

“To disorient the enemy, we launched the 8th Estonian Rifle Corps in the direction of Velikiye Luki. This particularly attracted the enemy; the enemy attacked this direction, intensifying its reconnaissance. This building is just suitable for such things, to show it to the enemy from afar; but you can’t let him into a battle, a serious battle, he is of little combat effectiveness (he is good for battle only when the enemy retreats and runs).”

The same thing happened with the 5th Guards Don Cossack Cavalry Corps and the 4th Guards Kuban Cossack Corps. They were formed on a volunteer basis from the Cossacks of the Don and Kuban in 1942. Cossack corps fought bravely and ended the war in Austria and Czechoslovakia. Although the Cossacks of the Don and Kuban suffered greatly during the Civil War, the policy of decossackization and collectivization, they showed high combat effectiveness and loyalty to the authorities.

In principle, this should not be surprising - these were Russian Cossacks, and not “indigenous nationalities”. Russian military class.

Thus, the truth is much more complex and contradictory than Soviet ideology and propaganda about the “friendship of peoples” portrayed. The policy of indigenization has failed.

National formations and units of the Red Army were incapable of combat, and it happened that they were politically hostile.

It turned out that Colossal work (for several generations) is needed for Russification, the development of the urban, industrial civilization of the national outskirts.
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  1. +29
    April 3 2024 03: 59
    National formations and units of the Red Army were incapable of combat, and it happened that they were politically hostile.
    Everything rested on Ivan.
    1. +6
      April 3 2024 04: 09
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Everything rested on Ivan.

      There were objective “translation difficulties” - not everyone understood (wanted to understand) the Russian language.
      And the heroes were of all nationalities...
      1. +6
        April 3 2024 04: 10
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And the heroes were of all nationalities...

        Egorov and Kantaria!
        1. +2
          April 3 2024 08: 11
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Egorov and Kantaria!

          “The battle did not last long: the timid Georgians fled!” These lines are from M. Lermontov's poem "The Demon", completed by him in 1839,


          you can't remove the words from a song
          1. Eug
            +2
            April 3 2024 12: 22
            Tell this to the spirit of Alexei Chkheidze. If you don't know who it is, Google can help.
      2. +16
        April 3 2024 06: 49
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And the heroes were of all nationalities...

        Yes. There were even among the Germans. Hagen, for example. But it's not about the heroes, it's about the statistics. :)
      3. +6
        April 3 2024 07: 08
        "all nationalities had heroes" 100% agree
        Both heroes and scoundrels were, are and will be among all peoples.
        Samsonov, I recommend reading: in what cases were they awarded the title: “Hero of the Soviet Union*, and at the same time look at: “golden stars of Adygea”, were there Heroes of the Soviet Union” among other peoples of the USSR?
        1. AMG
          +5
          April 3 2024 15: 09
          Khusen Andrukhaev, Adyghe Soviet journalist, poet, political instructor of the 773rd infantry regiment, 136th infantry regiment, 18th army of the Southern Fleet, died in battle near the village of Dyakovo, Voroshilovgrad region on November 8, 1941, Hero of the Soviet Union.
          1. +5
            April 3 2024 17: 50
            Alim Yusufovich Baysultanov (May 15, 1919, Yanikoy, - September 28, 1943, Soviet pilot ace of fighter aircraft of the USSR Navy during the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union (23.10.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX) Guard captain Balkar
            Akhmet-Khan Talovich Kankoshev (Kabard-Cherk. Kankuesh Tӏal and kuue Akhmatkhan; 1914-1943) - ace pilot, commander of the aviation unit of the 42nd Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 9th Guards Fighter Aviation Division of the 4th Air Army of the North. Caucasian Front, Hero of the Soviet Union, who won 14 victories in air battles personally and 3 in a group. Nationality: Kabardian
            Aslangeri Yakhyaevich Masaev (May 5, 1920, the village of Second Lesken - January 21, 1945, Piotrkow-Kujawski) - guard lieutenant of the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army, participant in the Great Patriotic War, Hero of the Soviet Union (1945). Kabardian
          2. +13
            April 3 2024 18: 01
            “The Russians don’t give up!”: what the Adyghe Khusen Andrukhaev shouted before his death
        2. +4
          April 3 2024 19: 22
          ", golden stars of Adygea" 57 residents of the Adygea Autonomous Okrug became: Heroes of the Soviet Union.
          I studied with my granddaughter GSS, she didn’t ask at all.
          Now: People's Artist of Adygea - Tomara Nekhai
    2. +2
      April 3 2024 06: 35
      Also Count A.K. Tolstoy wrote on this topic in 1869. The poems themselves are too long to quote, so only the link.

      https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Песня_о_Каткове,_о_Черкасском,_о_Самарине,_о_Маркевиче_и_о_арапах_(А._К._Толстой)
    3. +15
      April 3 2024 06: 55
      “Everything rested on Ivan” - But it is true that it was the Russians who created the empire and are the core of the country. No wonder I.V. Stalin, at a banquet dedicated to the victory in the Second World War, raised a toast to the GREAT RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
    4. -13
      April 3 2024 08: 08
      and yet Samsonov expects from you the national composition of the Panfilov division.
      1. +18
        April 3 2024 08: 37
        and yet Samsonov expects from you the national composition of the Panfilov division.

        Open sources contain the following information:
        To form the division, buildings and premises were provided in the capitals of the two republics. In the city of Frunze (now Bishkek), the building of schools No. 2, No. 12, city bathhouse No. 1, a canteen on Klyuchevaya Street - all this was placed at the disposal of the command of the 316th Infantry Division.
        All work on the creation of division units and their logistical support was carried out with the direct assistance of party, Soviet and public organizations of the Kirghiz and Kazakh SSR.
        The national composition of the division was as follows:
        - Kyrgyz — 11 percent, Kazakhs —11, Russians — 67, Ukrainians — 8, the remaining 3 percent — representatives of other nationalities of the Soviet Union.
        hi
      2. +9
        April 3 2024 12: 47
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        ...I expect from you the national composition of the Panfilov division.

        Have you read enough modern Kazakh historians?
      3. +9
        April 3 2024 17: 36
        316 pages div. 2/3 consisted of Russians (at the time of formation). The fact that it was formed in Almaty does not mean that only Kazakhs served there. 1 - the borders of the Kazakh (A) SSR were not always the same, the north and cities were “Russian” in later times 2 - at that time the Kazakhs were a national minority in “their” republic 3 - following the principle of extraterritoriality in the imperial, red, Soviet and Russian army, the first recruits could come from anywhere. The rear and headquarters could, of course, consider themselves to be anyone; in the rifle companies within a month or two, on average, there was simply no one left from the original composition. In any case, the USSR was built on slightly different principles. It’s not entirely correct to push the national issue here
      4. +1
        April 3 2024 17: 56
        Are you unable to find it yourself?
      5. -4
        April 7 2024 08: 02
        Strictly speaking, Samsonov’s article is quite similar to an article about incitement..... Moreover, during the Northern Military District.
        The cause of Yeltsin and Belovezhskaya Pushcha lives on!
    5. -14
      April 3 2024 11: 29
      We probably need to deal with the Cossack troops who served in the Red Army, why the Bolsheviks first fought the Cossacks, then decided to restore the Cossack units.
      Sources will be Sholokhov "Quiet Don" and Wikipedia
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Казачьи_части_РККА
      Gordeev "History of the Cossacks"
      Fomenko-Nosovsky "Cossacks-Aryans"

      So the Cossacks
      - the Cossacks are impressive - prominent and beautiful, they are the flesh of the Russian people. The Cossacks were created as military units to protect Russian lands.
      It makes sense to talk about the Ushkuiniks, the ancestors of the Cossacks, who fought with the Swedes-crusaders and took the capital of Sweden, the city of Segtuna, and took out the gates from there, which can still be seen in Novgorod.

      The Cossacks always had their own government for some time

      During the reign of Emperor Nikolai Pavlovich, this order was also changed and the heir to the throne was appointed ataman of all Cossack troops, and his representatives, called “mandate atamans,” were appointed locally. They were appointed by the "highest" authority
      and from persons of non-Cossack origin - atamans of the Cossack class troops were prohibited.
      The Cossack class remained district atamans, appointed as appointed atamans, and
      the elective principle was preserved only for stanitsa and farm atamans.
      The appointment of the Heir to the Throne as Ataman of All Cossack Troops was announced as
      “highest mercy,” but for the Cossacks this was another infringement of Cossack rights and
      deprived them of the consciousness that the Cossacks were “masters” in their lands. But these were the times when the territories of the Cossack regions were absorbed into the possessions of Russia and the Cossack troops entered its
      composition as an integral part.

      During the period of the revolution, the Cossack troops remained faithful to their way of life and their way of life, the Cossacks for the most part were against the destructive chaos that swept the central regions of the Republic of Ingushetia. Although already from Sholokhov we know that the Cossacks were also subject to throwing from side to side (Grigory Melekhov).

      The Cossack population of all 12 regions in the regiments and on their lands maintained order and
      military and civil discipline. The Cossacks did not allow anarchy on their lands, but without exception they took up arms and openly entered into a merciless struggle with it.


      This is what prompted the Bolsheviks to declare a merciless struggle against the Cossack people. By order of Stalin and the Politburo, with the participation of Kaganovich, the Cossack villages, along with the population, were repressed and deported to Siberia. The Bolsheviks destroyed all 12 Cossack military districts. If in my homeland Lake Borovoe, the village of Kuturkul, Cossacks lived for centuries, then after the revolution the Cossacks were expelled from those lands and now only Kazakhs live there. And so it is everywhere.
      Until 1936, the Cossacks were barred from entering the Red Army army. But after that, on orders like Voroshilov, Cossack units and even corps began to be created. Such loyalty to the suddenly Cossack troops was explained by one thing, no Cossack liberties and cultural identity and the remnants of Cossack liberties - meetings of Cossack circles, security The Bolsheviks did not tolerate border and police/security functions and the entire administration was already firmly placed under the control of the Bolshevik authorities.
      The very existence of the Cossacks has always given rise to the danger for any government that the Cossacks will be able to self-organize and seize power from St. Petersburg or Kremlin exiles, so repressions against the Cossacks have always continued. Well, what we see today at parades is, of course, no longer the Cossacks, not those Cossacks
      So there was a lot to say, although not much was left unsaid.
      1. +2
        April 3 2024 15: 55
        “they took the gate from there” Katya says that the Don Cossacks captured Azov and brought the gate from there. It is stored in Novocherkassk (?)
        1. 0
          April 3 2024 23: 50
          In the village of Starocherkasskaya. Also there is the house of Kondraty Bulavin.
          And Novocherkassk was founded in 1805 by atamanov M.I. Platov - a hundred years later.
          1. 0
            April 4 2024 15: 08
            “for a hundred years”, perhaps Katya was mistaken? She was not in RO [media=http://]
            1. 0
              April 4 2024 16: 25
              And not just one gate, but both – that is, the entire gate.
      2. +3
        April 3 2024 20: 14
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        handsome Cossacks

        Well, how much is it possible? If they are fancy, then they would be fancy. Or fancy guys.
        1. -6
          April 3 2024 20: 32
          Quote: DenVB
          Well, how much is it possible? If they are fancy, then they would be fancy. Or fancy guys.


          as much as needed.

          The word Cossack turns out to fit very well into the rules of the Russian language - this suggests that Cossack is a purely Russian word and not even Turkic.

          -white-hare
          -Russian-rusak
          -left -leftist
          -smart-smart guy
          -counselor-leader
          - single - bachelor
          -spicy -Cossack
          -high road

          I will continue about the etymologization of the word Cossack.
          -Cossack-showy,
          and showy is used as prominent, well
          -prominent in Russian is always noticeable, excellent and of course beautiful.
          -Show yourself what you are?
          So the term that people have been breaking spears about has probably been around for hundreds of years and people have almost already been persuaded to believe that the Cossacks are some kind of Turkoids by their definition.
          In Turkic (it is not specifically said which language, because there are many Turkic peoples)
          1. +2
            April 3 2024 21: 56
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            -white-hare
            -Russian-rusak
            -left -leftist
            -smart-smart guy
            -counselor-leader
            - single - bachelor
            -pretty -

            Kazistyak.
            1. -10
              April 3 2024 22: 00
              Quote: DenVB
              Kazistyak.

              It’s clear that Russians don’t say that, but a non-Russian says that, congratulations, comrade, for lying.
              1. +9
                April 3 2024 22: 05
                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                It’s clear that Russians don’t say that, but a non-Russian says that, congratulations, comrade, for lying.

                And there is also such a people - the Basques. And here in the North they say “basque” - beautiful. This means that the Basques are beautiful Russians who moved to the Pyrenees.
                1. -6
                  April 3 2024 22: 06
                  Quote: DenVB
                  And there is also such a people - the Basques. And here in the North they say “basque” - beautiful. This means that the Basques are beautiful Russians who moved to the Pyrenees.

                  in this case it is from the Hound of the Baskervilles.
                  1. +6
                    April 3 2024 22: 09
                    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                    in this case it's from the Hound of the Baskervilles

                    And the Cossacks are masters of casuistry.
                    1. -8
                      April 3 2024 22: 09
                      Quote: DenVB
                      And the Cossacks are masters of casuistry.

                      masters of chopping heads - this is according to history.
      3. +2
        April 4 2024 18: 32
        It was Trotsky, not Stalin, who dealt with the massacres and resettlement of the Cossacks.
        1. 0
          April 7 2024 08: 17
          Heh... Heh... Even in the film "Quiet Don" there is a real historical detail - the daring Cossacks dine on canned French stew... Doesn't it remind you of anything?
      4. +1
        April 5 2024 14: 28
        Fomenko-Nosovsky "Cossacks-Aryans"
        Bgggg. Where did they drag this in..?
      5. +1
        April 7 2024 08: 09
        There is no need to lie about the Cossacks. The chaos of the Civil War certainly “overwhelmed”, but where did it come from?
        All white armies were formed in territories occupied by foreign States

        And the daring Cossacks waved sabers and chopped off heads in Ukraine and the Don region, which had been occupied by the Germans since February 1918.....

        In 1942, Krasnov repeated this case, but in the end he was hanged in the Lubyanka: “the award found a patriot.”
      6. 0
        April 9 2024 12: 24
        Love, Brother! This is true.
    6. +5
      April 3 2024 20: 44
      [quote: Uncle Lee
      Everything rested on Ivan.][/quote]

      The list of killed sergeants and privates includes 732 rifle regiment, 235 rifle regiment during the first battles for the liberation of Belarus from February 28.02 to March 10, 03.1944, a total of 34 people
      Of these: Russians - 21;
      Uzbeks - 5;
      Tatars - 2;
      Kazakhs - 2;
      Tajiks - 2;
      Bashkirs - 1;
      Ukrainian -1.
      Among the dead is my grandfather.
      Report No. 17090 of the headquarters of the 235th SD dated March 17.03.1944, XNUMX
    7. +2
      April 4 2024 08: 08
      everything rested on the great multinational Soviet people.
    8. +4
      April 4 2024 15: 17
      A year earlier than Alexander Matrosov, on February 22, 1942, Abram Levin closed the embrasure of the fascist enemy bunker with his chest. Many more Jews performed the same feat during the Great Patriotic War.
      1. 0
        April 10 2024 20: 02
        My father went through the whole war for five years, he said so, the best warriors are Russian Kazakhs and Jews... He put the Ukrainians a little higher than the Uzbeks... They constantly strived to surrender to the enemy
    9. 0
      April 10 2024 20: 01
      It could be fresher... A training ground in the Baikonur area... Almost all the commanders were Ukrainians. Who is now in command of the crews in the Strategic Missile Forces, complete silence...what if they are the same?
      There is not enough for all the Russians...plus they are good as ground forces. Are you sure that the best pilots are Russian?
      1. +1
        April 10 2024 20: 27
        Why divide into peoples and nationalities, we have more than 190 of them in our country. This is a direct path to bad consequences. One of the reasons for the massacre in 1917-1920 was the national question. Pogroms and the Pale of Settlement. And pogroms are the legalized killing of people based on their nation.
  2. +15
    April 3 2024 04: 31
    To be fair, there were also demographic considerations:
    The results of a thorough statistical study of the share of participation of the peoples of the Soviet Union in the ranks of the Red Army, conducted by A. P. Artemyev, lead to a different line of reasoning. The author compared the dynamics of the representation of various peoples in the army during 1943 with the results of the 1939 population census. It turned out that the proportion of natives of Transcaucasia and Central Asia in the troops significantly exceeded their proportion among the peoples of the USSR in the pre-war period. Thus, by April 1943, for Armenians it was 1,77%, while among the entire population this figure did not exceed 1,27%. The same figures for Georgians were 1,48 and 1,33%, Azerbaijanis - 1,40 (as of July 1, 1943 - 1,57) and 1,34%, Uzbeks - 2,62 (as of July 1, 4,44 - 2,86, 2,22) and 1%, Kazakhs - 2,77 (as of July 1,83 - 160) and XNUMX%XNUMX. A.P....
    ....Moreover, they were predominantly staffed by rifle units that suffered the highest losses among all branches of the military. Apart from representatives of the peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, a similar situation was observed only in the case of Russians and Ukrainians.

    https://vuzlit.com/674967/priostanovka_mobilizatsii_prizyva_zakavkazskih_narodov_osenyu_1943?ysclid=luj3k3ubu6875028663

    The author did not mention the lack of conscription of the indigenous peoples of the Far North, Siberia and the Far East. Isolated local cases do not count. Volunteers only. This is also demographics.

    The author does not remember the Bashkirs and Tatars, and these are not exactly “European peoples of the USSR”, but they were called up without restrictions.

    Although the Cossacks of the Don and Kuban suffered greatly during the Civil War, the policies of decossackization and collectivization, they showed high combat effectiveness and loyalty to the authorities.

    In principle, this should not be surprising - these were Russian Cossacks, and not “indigenous nationalities”. Russian military class.

    Did the author forget about the Krasnovites and Shkurovites or is he not aware?!

    Yes, the Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians bore the brunt of the war, but the “outlying peoples” also shed their blood for the Union.
    Rotten article...
    1. +1
      April 3 2024 05: 45
      The indigenous peoples of Siberia and the Far East, the Far North were called small peoples and they were not conscripted into the SA. Volunteer only if. They had other benefits too. They probably still exist.
      Regarding the Central Asians, I once read a long time ago that under the USSR, from the very beginning, they tried to create a proletariat in these republics. Somehow it didn’t work out for them in production.... 8 hours. And they were at odds with time and discipline. request But agriculture, cotton - these are women and children, the garden is not for men.
      1. +3
        April 3 2024 07: 57
        Dmitry, for centuries the most prestigious job among the male population of Central Asian peoples was trade. This remains true now among the Syrians and Afghans, and in the USSR it gradually changed, but over the last 30 years it has been a rollback. Again, these are statistics. According to the recollections of veterans of the Afghan war, only the Afghan special forces fought well there, and all because the bloodline (the “Saids” from “White Sun of the Desert”) was recruited there, and the army was a rabble that was caught in the bazaars, as is the case with the Sumerians now. And in Syria now everything rests only on the Tigers and Wagner. In the USSR in the 40s, the situation was, of course, better, but there were trends.
        1. +2
          April 3 2024 08: 28
          I read about this. As for the "Afghans", yes it was. Under the USSR, they understood how to select specialists and there were very strong oriental studies and military translators. There were specialists who spoke several oriental languages, and with that appearance they could pass for one of their own anywhere. What was some Soviet film, maybe even a TV series, about, I forgot the name. Other European countries and the United States were far behind in this regard at that time.
          This is true about the “slippers.” The age-old mentality cannot be changed quickly. But the Houthis “found themselves” quite successfully laughing (again --- good relations with them --- "Soviet legacy) There were shots of them marching. Militant, equipped +++++ Of course, it’s strange to see a marching army in their clothes and slippers.... But their results are wonderful .
        2. 0
          April 10 2024 22: 09
          Quote: Aviator_
          This remains now with the Syrians and Afghans

          It’s just that an Afghan won’t work as a programmer for 170 rubles a month. He is interested in getting 000 euros for an hour of work. An Afghan woman I know, 1500 years after graduating from medical school in Denmark, earns about 2 euros every day for a shift as a dentist. The salary of a seamstress in Afghanistan is about 500 dollars a month (although a shift can last 200 hours and she is not paid while working), an Afghan electrician at a foreign company is 12 dollars. A cement plant in northern Afghanistan was kept in working order by almost one engineer before the US invasion.
      2. 0
        April 3 2024 08: 54
        Samsonov uses an interesting word. You can’t pronounce it right away. Collaborator.. Simply put, you have to be.. TRAITOR.
        1. +4
          April 3 2024 09: 06
          Collaborator

          I don't know about "simpler". For me, it turns out that this word is associated primarily with the servants of the fascists. In different countries. And if we now talk about other countries, then they are still equated with those fascist henchmen of the last century.
          But there were traitors under the White Guards, and now we have them among the 5th column. And among our own terrorist criminals are foreign Ukrainians. Something like this, in my opinion hi
        2. -9
          April 3 2024 13: 28
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          Samsonov uses an interesting word. You can’t pronounce it right away. Collaborator.. Simply put, you have to be.. TRAITOR.


          the word collaboration is French and means cooperation, and the word
          collaborationism is cooperation with the enemy.
          Although there is no decent etymology of the word, because the word itself is compound and Russian.
          -colo-sun, circle
          -borant-wrestler
          most likely the main meaning is a Fighter FOR the Sun. When the battles of Sun Worshipers and Christian Tiffonists took place, the collaborators were on the side of the Sun.
          1. +9
            April 3 2024 14: 20
            Although there is no decent etymology of the word, because the word itself is compound and Russian.
            -colo-sun, circle
            -borant-wrestler
            most likely the main meaning is a Fighter FOR the Sun. When the battles of Sun Worshipers and Christian Tiffonists took place, the collaborators were on the side of the Sun.

            What kind of garbage do you have in your head?
            Latin "collaborer" - together. In French it was transformed into a verb - to cooperate, from where it came to us. Exists in all Romance languages.
            1. -13
              April 3 2024 15: 20
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              What kind of garbage do you have in your head?
              Latin "collaborer" - joint

              you're like sawdust in your head
              1. +11
                April 3 2024 15: 53
                Well it goes without saying.
                When you prove that the word “kolo” meant the Sun, and the word “borant” meant a fighter, return. Moreover, in the second case, you will also have to prove the existence of the word “borant” at all. wassat
                Having read your messages since registering on the site, I naturally do not expect an adequate response.
                1. -8
                  April 3 2024 20: 28
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  When you prove that the word “kolo” meant the Sun, and the word “borant” meant a fighter, return. Moreover, in the second case, you will also have to prove the existence of the word “borant” at all.
                  Having read your messages since registering on the site, I naturally do not expect an adequate response.


                  This is what Svetlana Zharnikova, candidate of historical sciences, says.
                  Kolyada is the Winter Christmastide with ritual songs “carols” and the mummers “carolers” and “carolers” performing them. The term “Kolyada” itself (from “kolo” - sun) is associated with the completion of the circle of the “divine day”,


                  https://vk.com/wall-55946911_75301

                  well and
                  - borant is something that is not visible to the naked eye. It falls into the formal range
                  -firefighter
                  -iconoclast
                  -god-fighter

                  By the way, I’ve been here since I was 13, so I know the words to “wrestler” firsthand and I’ve trodden well on these paths
                  1. +6
                    April 4 2024 09: 24
                    Candidate of Historical Sciences Svetlana Zharnikova

                    Do you think that the title of Candidate of Historical Sciences should put me in awe?
                    Quote: Svetlana Vasilievna Zharnikova
                    Supporter of the pseudoscientific Arctic hypothesis of the origin of the Indo-Europeans (“Aryans”) and the “Indo-European civilization”
                    Historian D.S. Loginov notes that Zharnikova’s statements ignore the development of language systems and contradict the entire body of data of modern science.
                    Zharnikova’s ideas are popular among Russian nationalists, neo-Nazis and neo-pagans. ... Zharnikova’s hypothesis was propagated by the fascist newspaper “Russian Revenge” (1996, No. 1), the Nazi newspaper “Zemshchina” (1995, No. 101), and the racist magazine “Heritage of Ancestors” (1995, No. 1) ...

                    Sun - translate the word sol from the Latin and you will be happy. By the way, in Spanish, it remains in this form - sol - sun. The roots go back to the Proto-Indo-European root sul. Like the Proto-Slavic sъlньce.
                    The word kolo (circle) - the sun - has never been used to denote the sun.
                    And the carol comes from calendae - to warm up, to be warmed up.
                    well and
                    - borant is something that is not visible to the naked eye. It falls into the formal range
                    -firefighter
                    -iconoclast
                    -god-fighter

                    It does not fall into any formal series.
                    The word “borant” does not exist, you invented it yourself to justify nonsense about the etymology of “collaborator”. Show me at least one ancient manuscript or other documentary evidence where you can see the word “borant” written.
                    1. -8
                      April 4 2024 10: 55
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Do you think that the title of Candidate of Historical Sciences should put me in awe?


                      Do you want the staff linguist at the beck and call of the Western “scientific” school and Stalin’s assistant, Vasmer, to point out to you that the word from which a huge bush of words comes has a meaning like the Sun? We will not lose this war.

                      -Kolovrat
                      - carols
                      -wheel- "they lived in the forest and prayed to the wheel"
                      -well
                      and this is just the beginning of the use of this word.

                      No, Russophobe and bad guy Vasmer, of course, didn’t do this, but other scientists did it for him, so the candidate of HISTORICAL SCIENCES and a true patriot of Russians, Zharnikova, pointed to exactly the place where this word came from.


                      Quote: A vile skeptic
                      The word “borant” does not exist, you invented it yourself to justify nonsense about the etymology of “collaborator”. Show me at least one ancient manuscript or other documentary evidence where you can see the written word "bora"


                      word
                      -collaborator - comes from Latin, but in Latin there is only a suffix, the rest of the meaning and content is in Russian.
                      -ent, which in Russian is read as -ant
                      - collaborator
                      -diamond
                      -cadet
                      -option

                      therefore it remains
                      -bora and boron, which is the root of the word struggle, which I already pointed out to you at the top.
                      So, in form, everything is logical, explainable and understandable.
                      But the content is different, here you have to think about it.

                      Our ancestors did not know Christianity with its cross, as a symbol on which the son of God Jesus was crucified and there were Sun Worshipers - Sala Maleikum - prayer / praise to the Sun. Or they worshiped the Golden Calf / Bull / Thur - Sa / se Turn - he is the god Kronos, but this is already the Greek second meaning.
                      And when Tiffon/Tofel arrived - the devil in German is an iron / neutron star in the sky, it looked like what we see in the sky - the picture is attached.
                      At some point, Tiffon covered the Sun with himself, i.e. The cross covered the Sun.
                      This led to the apocalypse, storms, tsunamis, floods, volcanic eruptions, and meteorite bombardment began.
                      In humanity, these catastrophes were expressed in the same way as the Celtic cross, the cross covering the Sun-Colo.
                      Or how the swastika and any image of a cross have a negative meaning and, worse, a symbol of death.
                      Humanity survived the apocalypse-revelation-end of the world, but not many of those who seized power hid this story, as well as the story about the cyclical coming of the neutron star Tiffon.
                      You can read about the neutron star Tiffon on Wikipedia.
                      There are even more unpleasant associations, for example, looking at the crosses on the domes of the Annunciation Cathedral of the Kremlin, we see that the celestial picture was such that the Sun, the neutron star-Tiffon and the Moon-crescent converged simultaneously on one line, was this in the past or are these predictions of the future in In any case, this is the most terrible disaster.
                      1. +5
                        April 4 2024 11: 00
                        Ooooh, the doctors need to talk here, not me.
                      2. -7
                        April 4 2024 11: 01
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Ooooh, the doctors need to talk here, not me.


                        Yes, you are not a researcher, your specialty is goose.
                      3. +4
                        April 4 2024 11: 08
                        It's better to be a goose. His intelligence is higher than that of such “researchers”.
                        This is how wild you have to be in the 21st century to talk nonsense about a “neutron star, and an iron one at that.” wassat , which covered the Sun."
                      4. -6
                        April 4 2024 11: 30
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        It's better to be a goose. His intelligence is higher than that of such “researchers”.


                        The goose has the intelligence to get to the table, that’s closer to you.
                      5. -6
                        April 4 2024 11: 35
                        Academician Butusov named this star Raja the Sun.
                        https://dzen.ru/a/ZO1qJoqk_R8Vi-7l
                      6. +5
                        April 4 2024 11: 45
                        https://dzen.ru/a/ZO1qJoqk_R8Vi-7l

                        Have you decided to collect all the garbage from the Internet?
                        Academician Butusov

                        Academician of which academy? wassat lol
                      7. -6
                        April 4 2024 11: 50
                        Garbage is where a goose's head is thrown because it is no longer needed.
                      8. +5
                        April 4 2024 12: 02
                        1) So where is the answer to the question, Butusov is an “academician” of which academy?
                        2) Can a goose calculate at what distance from the surface of the Earth a neutron star would have to be in order to block the Sun with its silhouette? So the goose counted, it’s elementary. Therefore, the goose understands why the fantasies in your messages cannot have anything to do with reality.
                      9. -6
                        April 4 2024 12: 04
                        “Get out from under the bed, damned Hans, the guest has arrived,” said Woland
                      10. +6
                        April 4 2024 12: 34
                        Well, is it always like this for you, alternativeists with a clouded consciousness - instead of answering a simple direct question, the text that first came to mind is divorced from the question?
                        1) Butusov is an “academician” of which academy?
                        2) At what distance from the surface of the Earth would a neutron star have to be in order to block the Sun with its silhouette?
                      11. -7
                        April 4 2024 12: 42
                        The conversation is over with you, it's not interesting.
                      12. +6
                        April 4 2024 12: 56
                        I understand who wants to bury themselves completely lol
          2. -3
            April 3 2024 22: 00
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            Although there is no decent etymology of the word, because the word itself is compound and Russian.
            -colo-sun, circle
            -borant-wrestler

            The word "soldier" is also compound and Russian. Once upon a time, Russian princes paid their squad salaries in salt. She was then worth her weight in gold. Well, here it is: give salt - soldier.
            1. -3
              April 3 2024 22: 03
              Quote: DenVB
              Once upon a time, Russian princes paid their squad salaries in salt.


              I haven’t heard of this, did you come up with it yourself?
            2. +5
              April 3 2024 23: 56
              The word “soldier” comes from “solida” or “soldo” - the gold coin of the Italian kingdoms and republics of the Middle Ages, and it took root among the mercenary armies of condottieri, as a designation for a professional warrior on a fixed salary.
      3. +6
        April 3 2024 09: 00
        “Out of desperation, Kyrgyzstan invited 800 workers from Dubai to build a new government house. President Sadyr Japarov said that: “If the working day is 8 hours, ours work 5. If you have to work on Saturday, then they may not come on Monday. What does a foreigner do in a day, a Kyrgyz cannot do in a week."
        from a message from the TG channel "Russian Letters".
        1. +3
          April 3 2024 09: 34
          Very interesting recourse Why do they come to us then to work? Trade? The question arises ----- with what? Just like other nationalities.
          Or now there are reports that many Tajiks are now returning home and complaining that it has become “difficult.” What's difficult? What were they doing here that they were afraid of inspections? But some others are coming here. This means that these people are just going to work, and not something else.
        2. 0
          April 3 2024 10: 32
          Quote: glory1974
          Out of desperation, Kyrgyzstan invited 800 workers from Dubai to build a new government house

          They’ve been building it for a whole year now, but the end of the region is not in sight, the desire was to build it in 4 months!
          Quote: glory1974
          invited 800 workers from Dubai

          It is difficult for Europeans to understand Asians, great word Chetr!
    2. -6
      April 3 2024 08: 15
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Did the author forget about the Krasnovites and Shkurovites or is he not aware?!


      Do you even know about the destruction of the Cossacks by Stalin?
      1. +1
        April 3 2024 08: 20
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        Do you even know about the destruction of the Cossacks by Stalin?

        For what reasons, when and in what quantities?
        1. -11
          April 3 2024 08: 27
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          For what reasons, when and in what quantities?


          you mean sources

          N.S. Khrushchev Memoirs

          When I was already working as secretary of the Moscow City Party Committee (this was in 1932), suddenly Kaganovich one day told me that he was going on a business trip to Krasnodar. He did not quite openly say what reasons prompted this trip. I don’t know how long he was away, probably about a week or two, but when he arrived, as the head of the Moscow party organization, he informed us about the state of affairs. It turns out that he went to Krasnodar because a strike began there (as they said then - sabotage). The Kuban Cossacks did not want to cultivate the land on collective farms, and as a result of this trip, entire villages were evicted to Siberia.

          We then looked at all these events through the eyes of Stalin and blamed the kulaks, the “rightists,” the Trotskyists, the Zinovievites and everyone who needed to be blamed and with whom the struggle was then waged in the party. It was simply not allowed to think that mistakes could be made by the Central Committee, primarily by Stalin. At that time he formulated political tasks completely uncontrollably. By that time, in my opinion, Rykov, Bukharin, Zinoviev and Kamenev[76] had already been effectively removed from the leadership, and Trotsky was no longer in our country, he was exiled abroad. Thus, it was up to the Central Committee, the Politburo, to foresee these mistakes or somehow allow their existence, and Stalin played a leading and decisive role in the Politburo. This means that if we look for the guilty, then the main blame lay with him.
          1. +7
            April 3 2024 08: 33
            Where do people like you come from? Not only are you talking nonsense about Stalin’s extermination of the Cossacks, but you also provide the most moronic “proof” from Khrushchev:
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            As a result of this trip, entire villages were evicted to Siberia.

            Even if this is not a lie, then where is the “destruction”? No. You are stupidly lying.
            1. -5
              April 3 2024 08: 38
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Even if this is not a lie, then where is the “destruction”? No. You are stupidly lying.


              you're not fuming
              We are talking about the movement of peoples to UNSUPPORTED lands; such processes always led to a large percentage of the death of these peoples. In addition, the NKVD usually did not stand on ceremony in carrying out the task, “a step to the right, a step to the left - an attempt to escape, execution”
              1. +5
                April 3 2024 08: 42
                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                We are talking about the movement of peoples to UNSUPPORTED lands; such processes always led to a large percentage of the death of these peoples. In addition, the NKVD usually did not stand on ceremony in carrying out the task, “a step to the right, a step to the left - an attempt to escape, execution”

                Oh, he threw out stupid Solzhenitsev’s bullshit from Ogonyok’s anal, and now he’s talking about undeveloped lands. Where are the mortality figures?
                Where is the evidence about Stalin's murder of the Cossacks?
                1. -8
                  April 3 2024 08: 46
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Oh, he threw out stupid Solzhenitsev’s bullshit from Ogonyok’s anal, and now he’s talking about undeveloped lands. Where are the mortality figures?
                  Where is the evidence about Stalin's murder of the Cossacks?


                  I already answered you in a previous message.
                  1. +2
                    April 3 2024 08: 52
                    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                    I already answered you in a previous message.

                    You defend stupid nonsense with a stupid excuse. A fighter for the “Cossack people” yeah.
              2. 0
                April 3 2024 08: 59
                Where did the Cossack units in the Red Army come from before the Second World War?
                1. -7
                  April 3 2024 09: 01
                  Quote from: dmi.pris1
                  Where did the Cossack units in the Red Army come from before the Second World War?

                  were they these Cossack units?
              3. +2
                April 3 2024 09: 45
                you're not fuming
                We are talking about the movement of peoples to UNSUPPORTED lands; such processes always led to a large percentage of the death of these peoples. In addition, the NKVD usually did not stand on ceremony in carrying out the task, “a step to the right, a step to the left - an attempt to escape, execution”
                Colleague, we are talking about 1932, did I understand correctly from your comment? So, for foreigners (apparently your wiki is completely rotten), the NKVD was formed in 1934 and there simply could not be any “step left, step right” from the NKVD. And what happened, look on the Internet. The manual you are using does not contain this data.
                1. -5
                  April 3 2024 09: 46
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  Colleague, we are talking about 1932, did I understand correctly from your comment? So, for foreigners (apparently your wiki is completely rotten) NK

                  see the quote above from Khrushchev.
                  1. +5
                    April 3 2024 09: 47
                    see the quote above from Khrushchev.
                    Well, that means you are as smart as Khrushchev, stained to the very top with blood. Even Stalin wrote to him about this: “Calm down, you stupid!”
                    1. -6
                      April 3 2024 09: 49
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      Well, that means you are as smart as Khrushchev, stained to the very top with blood. Even Stalin wrote to him about this: “Calm down!”


                      But you couldn’t send a link to this document, otherwise I’ve heard this quote from many people, but I haven’t seen the real document. Where is this from?
                      1. -3
                        April 3 2024 09: 52
                        But you couldn’t send a link to this document, otherwise I’ve heard this quote from many people, but I haven’t seen the real document. Where is this from?
                        Laziness. This information is so accessible that you should be ashamed not to find it on the Internet. Type it into a search engine.
                      2. -4
                        April 3 2024 09: 59
                        Quote: AKuzenka
                        Laziness. This information is so accessible that you should be ashamed not to find it on the Internet. Type it into a search engine.


                        I found one article that says that there is no such document, and therefore this quote is a lie, so replicating lies is a disgusting activity.

                        https://dzen.ru/a/YGhTtwmmtxcC-DhS
                  2. +2
                    April 3 2024 12: 53
                    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                    see the quote above from Khrushchev.

                    Since the late 80s, so many fakes have appeared that any quote must be supported by a source.
      2. +3
        April 3 2024 08: 57
        Do you even know about the extermination of the Cossacks who supported the Soviet Government through the White Guard? Don’t?
      3. +4
        April 3 2024 12: 00
        I wonder how the Sovetskaya village of the Stavropol Territory, in which my grandparents lived (on my father’s side - until the mid-80s), where my father, mother, and aunts were born, has been preserved in this way (until now)? Both grandfathers (Kuban Cossacks) left this village to fight, one died in 1944 during the liberation of Crimea and was buried near Armyansk there. Was the Cossack village unique?
      4. 0
        April 4 2024 18: 52
        Trotsky carried out massacres during the civil war
    3. -12
      April 3 2024 08: 21
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Rotten article...


      I do not like? But it's true.
      1. +4
        April 3 2024 08: 23
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        I do not like? But it's true.

        Somewhat less rotten than this rotten lie.
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        Do you even know about the destruction of the Cossacks by Stalin?
        1. -14
          April 3 2024 08: 32
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Somewhat less rotten than this rotten lie.

          you know that the USSR was created for the development of other non-Russian peoples and the father of all these peoples, Comrade Stalin, nevertheless, during the war, he evicted the Chechens/Ingush and Crimean Tatars from their places of residence and this is a historical fact.
          For what reason do you think, the patron of nations, Stalin, treated these peoples so cruelly?
          1. +4
            April 3 2024 08: 35
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            you know that the USSR was created for the development of other non-Russian peoples and the father of all these peoples, Comrade Stalin, nevertheless, during the war, he evicted the Chechens/Ingush and Crimean Tatars from their places of residence and this is a historical fact.
            For what reason do you think, the patron of nations, Stalin, treated these peoples so cruelly?

            Is it this vomit that you use to justify your stupid lie about Stalin’s extermination of the Cossacks?
            1. -8
              April 3 2024 08: 44
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Is it this vomit that you use to justify your stupid lie about Stalin’s extermination of the Cossacks?


              You choose your words, otherwise I won’t talk to you.

              and the Cossacks fled abroad for what reason, probably because Stalin cared for and cherished the Cossack people?
              Do you even know how many Cossack troops there were in the Republic of Ingushetia? ELEVEN!
              How many Cossack troops remained at the time of the war? NO ONE!
              1. +4
                April 3 2024 08: 51
                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                You choose your words, otherwise I won’t talk to you.

                Oh, what is it, did you poke your nose at a stupid and deceitful sketch?

                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                Do you even know how many Cossack troops there were in the Republic of Ingushetia? ELEVEN!
                How many Cossack troops remained at the time of the war? NO ONE!
                Why are you not satisfied with the Soviet Cossack divisions and even corps? It’s clear why, because they fought “For the Motherland, for Stalin.”

                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                and the Cossacks fled abroad for what reason, probably because Stalin cared for and cherished the Cossack people?
                Everything became clear as soon as the conversation turned to the “Cossack people.” You are one of those who not only don’t need the USSR, you are one of those who are not happy about Russia.
                1. -9
                  April 3 2024 09: 06
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Everything became clear as soon as the conversation turned to the “Cossack people.” You are one of those who not only don’t need the USSR, you are one of those who are not happy about Russia.


                  Keep an eye on the market dude.
                  I am Russian and Russia is my homeland, not a crowd of people from the Stalinist/Leninist USSR, but Russia and I already know what a revolution is, what the USSR is and who was behind it, how such propaganda protected THIS history using your example.
                  1. +6
                    April 3 2024 09: 10
                    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                    Keep an eye on the market dude.
                    I am Russian and Russia is my homeland, not a crowd of people from the Stalinist/Leninist USSR, but Russia and I already, what is revolution, what is the USSR and who was behind it, how such propaganda protected THIS history using your example.

                    You even spell the word “Russian” with a mistake. You are classifying the Cossacks as a separate people. You are stupidly lying about the most important period in the life of Russia.
                    What the hell kind of Russian are you?! All Westerners can only dream about “Russians” like you...
                    1. -9
                      April 3 2024 09: 10
                      the conversation with you is over
                      1. +3
                        April 3 2024 09: 11
                        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                        the conversation with you is over

                        Run and cry to Zelensky's sidelocks...
                      2. +7
                        April 3 2024 14: 41
                        In the neighboring regiment, there was a Jew, he was burned along with the car, but he could have abandoned the car. He fought to the last.
                        Meanness and heroism have no nationality!!
                        The sooner we understand this, the better.
                      3. +3
                        April 3 2024 15: 58
                        Quote: Astra wild2
                        Meanness and heroism have no nationality!!
                        The sooner we understand this, the better.

                        But the nationality of the hero is emphasized, and the nationality of the scum is hushed up - now that’s true.
                  2. 0
                    April 4 2024 15: 15
                    Colleagues, I agree with my colleague: “Trinetrotool” The Soviet era, I call it: “a fairy tale” is just one of many pages of Russian history.
              2. +1
                April 3 2024 09: 23
                After the October Revolution, the Cossacks posed a real threat to the Bolsheviks. Their originality, military strength and love of freedom did not please either tsarism or the Bolsheviks. So the eradication of this class was a matter of time.
                1. -5
                  April 3 2024 09: 28
                  Quote: Glock-17
                  After the October Revolution, the Cossacks posed a real threat to the Bolsheviks. Their originality, military strength and love of freedom did not please either tsarism or the Bolsheviks. So the eradication of this class was a matter of time.


                  Yes, this is true, but tsarism and Bolshevism are two sides of the same coin - the DESTRUCTION of the Russian people and their culture. During the time of the Republic of Ingushetia, new peoples were created, Ukrainians, Kalmyks, Circassians, and during the time of the Bolsheviks, these peoples received lands and an invented culture stolen from the Russians. New peoples were also created with lands torn away from the Russian and Cossack peoples - these are the Balts and Kazakhs, Finns.
                  1. -1
                    April 3 2024 09: 37
                    Yes, many nations received statehood on lands previously developed by the Cossacks. De-Cossackization did not bring anything good to the Russian people.
                2. +4
                  April 3 2024 11: 02
                  Quote: Glock-17
                  After the October Revolution, the Cossacks posed a real threat to the Bolsheviks.

                  After October, the Cossacks posed a threat to everyone. Read Denikin about his relationship with Krasnov.
                  Quote: Glock-17
                  Their originality, military strength and love of freedom did not please either tsarism or the Bolsheviks.

                  So... separatism and negotiations with the enemy during war can make few people happy.
                  Actually, the Cossacks were destroyed by the Cossacks themselves. Arrogance, greed and khataskranichestvo led to the fact that the Cossacks turned into unreliable looters who did not care about orders and were ready to fight only for their khatyn with a small garden or go on “hiking for zipuns” in Red-controlled territories.
                  ...Mamontov could have done incomparably more: by taking advantage of the exceptionally favorable situation of being in the rear of the Bolsheviks’ cavalry mass and preserving his corps from collapse, he would not seek booty, but the defeat of the enemy’s manpower, which would undoubtedly cause a new major turning point in the course of the operation.
                  © Denikin
                  I considered the actions of General Mamantov not only unsuccessful, but clearly criminal. Having penetrated the enemy's rear, having in his hands a large mass of excellent cavalry, he not only did not take advantage of his position, but clearly avoided battle, all the time dodging collisions.
                  General Mamantov's regiments returned burdened with huge booty in the form of herds of breeding cattle, cartloads of textiles and groceries, table and church silver. Coming to the front of our units, General Mamantov radioed greetings to his “native Don” and said that he was bringing “Rich gifts to the Quiet Don” and “relatives and friends.” Then there was a list of “gifts”, including church utensils and vestments.
                  © Wrangel
          2. +3
            April 3 2024 08: 38
            For what reason do you think, the patron of nations, Stalin, treated these peoples so cruelly?
            Because of collaboration with the Nazis. If they had not been evicted, the returning front-line soldiers would have made such a life for them that they would not have remained. There would have been no appeals to the Hague Tribunal, and the Crimean Tatars would have all gone on foot along the bottom of the Black Sea to Turkey. Stalin saved his accomplices by deportation.
          3. +2
            April 3 2024 09: 57
            Stalin, however, evicted the Chechens/Ingush and Crimean Tatars from their places of residence during the war, and this is a historical fact.
            Stalin showed gentleness and humanism to the highest degree. If he had acted strictly according to the Criminal Code, these nationalities would no longer exist. Once again, I recommend that you take an interest in the prehistory of this “relocation” and what caused it. Throw your manual into the stove. Google and Yandex will help you.
            1. -7
              April 3 2024 10: 00
              Quote: AKuzenka
              Once again, I recommend that you take an interest in the prehistory of this “relocation” and what caused it. Throw your manual into the stove. Google and Yandex will help you.

              Please link to your manual.
              1. +1
                April 3 2024 10: 02
                Please link to your manual.
                Методичка как раз ваша. Зато вот какую ссылку нашёл: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2 laughing
                1. -6
                  April 3 2024 10: 04
                  Quote: AKuzenka
                  Методичка как раз ваша. Зато вот какую ссылку нашёл: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B4_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2

                  genocide of the Indians, is everything okay there, are we talking about something else?
                  1. +2
                    April 3 2024 10: 07
                    genocide of the Indians, is everything okay there, are we talking about something else?
                    You write about Stalin’s “genocide”, I’m talking about the genocide of Indians. It's about the same thing. Your masters did this. We need to remember this.
                    1. -6
                      April 3 2024 10: 10
                      Quote: AKuzenka
                      You write about Stalin’s “genocide”, I’m talking about the genocide of Indians. It's about the same thing. Your masters did this. We need to remember this.


                      I’m giving you a real quote from the Memoirs of the FIRST PERSON of the Khrushchev state and I want you to provide me with a quote from the documents of the first person of the Stalin state, but turn it off somewhere.
                      1. +2
                        April 3 2024 10: 16
                        I’m giving you a real quote from the Memoirs of the FIRST PERSON of the Khrushchev state and I want you to provide me with a quote from the documents of the first person of the Stalin state, but turn it off somewhere.
                        You can immediately see a person who does not know how to use search in RuNet. Why stick out your “Russianness” like that? Here is one of MANY links: https://pikabu.ru/story/uymis_durak_khrushchyova_otstranili_ot_vlasti_za_to_chto_on_po_suti_dovyol_stranu_do_ruchki_5088029
                      2. -7
                        April 3 2024 10: 22
                        Quote: AKuzenka
                        Once you see a person who does not know how to use the search in RuNet. Why stick out your “Russianness” like that? Here's one of MANY


                        Are you slipping me modern articles as evidence? These are not documents, or you do not understand the difference between historical documents and fabrications of third parties, or you are deliberately diverting the conversation, everything is clear with you.
    4. Msi
      -1
      April 3 2024 17: 57
      Rotten article...

      Agree. Bad article. It smells like inciting ethnic hatred...
  3. +8
    April 3 2024 05: 22
    Not serious
    The author “smoothly skirted” the ROA gene Vlasov....
    And as for the offended Cossacks, the topic was best explained long ago by Sholokhov in “Quiet Flows the Flow.”

    Against the backdrop of the traditional White Guard operetta “mainstream” since Brezhnev times, they somehow forgot that all White Guard armies of the Civil War were created in territories occupied by foreign states. And consisted mainly of Russians and Ukrainians

    And the USSR in December 1991 was divided at night under a Christmas tree near Brest, too, by representatives of “three - one people”, and not Caucasians and not Asians.
  4. +7
    April 3 2024 06: 42
    For many authors, sticking ritual needles into the corpse of the USSR becomes a pathological end in itself. But still, the idea of ​​​​friendship of peoples is better than the idea of ​​their mutual hatred.
    1. -6
      April 3 2024 07: 40
      “But still, the idea of ​​friendship between peoples is better than the idea of ​​their mutual hatred.” - of course better.
      Just trouble - read what they write here about migrants. And how much everyone wants to be friends with them...
      And yes, the mentioned directives were not issued out of the blue during a period of acute crisis with l/s.
      1. +5
        April 3 2024 08: 29
        Quote: your1970
        Just trouble - read what they write here about migrants. And how much everyone wants to be friends with them...

        Only now is not Soviet times, and there were no diasporas or masses of migrants to the USSR in Russia.

        Quote: your1970
        And yes, the mentioned directives were not issued out of the blue during a period of acute crisis with l/s.

        October 9, 1943 is after the Kursk Bulge, what is the acute crisis? At least they knew a little history...
        1. +3
          April 3 2024 09: 48
          “let alone diasporas, there were no masses of migrants to the USSR in Russia” - in your FANTASTIC There was no USSR.In REAL - Central, Cheryomushkinsky and Danilovsky markets in Moscow in 1970 were densely occupied by Armenians and Azerbaijanis (Cheryomushki). In Tyumen, Dagestan ruled oil production. The Armenian shabashniks built everything in the Lipetsk and Voronezh regions in a race with the Moldovans.
          And we had Koreans since 1960 and Kurds since the 1970s. And in Murmansk suddenly there lived Kazakhs - really, our Saratov ones.

          “October 9, 1943, this is after the Kursk Bulge, what an acute crisis? If only they knew a little history...” - well, in your repertoire, why read your opponent if you get angry just from his name?
          "acute crisis with l/s "- was it hard to read? Didn’t you also hear that by that moment it was categorically forbidden to send tankers and gun commanders/gunners anywhere? That they began to remove the remaining reservations from the railway, except for the drivers/assistants?
          Or do you think that the USSR was dimensionless and could simply afford to lose 8 killed per day on average?
          We called 6 people from the village; about 500 returned home. And most of them were wounded...
          When my grandfather was commissioned in 1943, he went hunting with a chief and a teacher. So they had 3 - 4 arms and 5 legs.
          What is the crisis with l/s, where from.......
          1. 0
            April 3 2024 10: 24
            Quote: your1970
            “there were no diasporas or masses of migrants in the USSR in Russia” - there were none in your FANTASTIC USSR. IN REAL - the Central, Cheryomushkinsky and Danilovsky markets in Moscow in the 1970s were densely occupied by Armenians and Azerbaijanis (Cheryomushki). In Tyumen, Dagestan ruled oil production. The Armenian shabashniks built everything in the Lipetsk and Voronezh regions in a race with the Moldovans.
            And we had Koreans since 1960 and Kurds since the 1970s. And in Murmansk suddenly there lived Kazakhs - really, our Saratov ones.

            You're really not good with numbers. Because tens of thousands are not many millions. Also, don’t be friendly with facts, because shabashniks are something like shift workers on minimum wage. There could be no talk of any “diasporas” either there or there.
            Quote: your1970
            And we had Koreans since 1960 and Kurds since the 1970s. And in Murmansk suddenly there lived Kazakhs - really, our Saratov ones.
            Well, they pushed the Russians out of the neighborhoods, not to mention the districts, right? It is you who stubbornly draw current realities onto the past.


            Quote: your1970
            “October 9, 1943, this is after the Kursk Bulge, what an acute crisis? At least they knew a little history...” - well, in your repertoire, why read your opponent if you get angry just from his name?...

            Well, I know you as a person inclined to write lies, stupidity and inability to use numbers, and this somehow always concerns the USSR, intentionally or not, what kind of “anger” is there.

            Quote: your1970
            “an acute crisis with l/s” - was it difficult to read?
            Those. in 1941-42 and until the summer of 1943 there was no acute crisis with human resources, so do you think? There is always a crisis with l/s in war. Only an acute crisis during defeats, retreats and flight. An elementary thing. So what was the acute personnel crisis at the end of 1943?

            Quote: your1970
            Haven’t you also heard that by this time it was strictly forbidden to send tankers and gun commanders/gunners anywhere?
            Another example of “misunderstanding” or ignorance of history. Prohibition of transferring technical specialists to the infantry, incl. after being wounded, he was introduced at the end of 1942. Then there was no acute crisis with l/s? So why?

            Quote: your1970
            Why did they start canceling the remaining reservations from the railway, except for the drivers/assistants?
            And using the example of tank crews, why would you believe that armor would be removed from railway workers by the end of 1943? If you are not lying at all about the MASS removal of armor.

            Quote: your1970
            Or do you think that the USSR was dimensionless and could simply afford to lose 8 killed per day on average?
            How does this relate to an acute crisis? Did you bring this up to cover up your ignorance?

            Quote: your1970
            We called 6 people from the village; about 500 returned home. And most of them were wounded...
            Knowing your tendency to “embellish”, let me not believe you.

            Quote: your1970
            When my grandfather was commissioned in 1943, he went hunting with a chief and a teacher. So they had 3 - 4 arms and 5 legs.
            I sympathize, but how does this relate to an acute crisis? Did you bring this up to cover up your ignorance?
            1. +2
              April 3 2024 11: 16
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Those. in 1941-42 and until the summer of 1943 there was no acute crisis with human resources, so do you think? There is always a crisis with l/s in war. Only an acute crisis during defeats, retreats and flight. An elementary thing.

              You are confusing the lack of combat-ready units and the lack of conscripts.
              By the end of 1943, the USSR began exactly the second. "Fat times" at the beginning of the war, when it was possible to form new divisions in dozens (in July 1941 it was necessary to form 71 divisions (56 infantry divisions and 15 cavalry divisions), in August - 110 divisions (85 infantry divisions and 25 cavalry divisions), in October - 74 rifle brigades), are over.
              And against the backdrop of the beginning of the exhaustion of mobresources, a directive is suddenly issued to reduce the mobilization base.
              And then the crisis with l/s only grew. The apogee was the Battle of Berlin, when the USSR could not find military personnel to bring the divisions at least in the direction of the main attack to at least half the strength.
              1. -1
                April 3 2024 11: 58
                Quote: Alexey RA
                You are confusing the lack of combat-ready units and the lack of conscripts.

                Of course, I’m not confusing it, because you are missing the fact that the crisis, and an acute one, with the conscript contingent began almost immediately after the loss of Ukraine and Belarus, including with the capture of those already conscripted, but not yet “accepted for pay.”
                Quote: Alexey RA
                “Fat times” at the beginning of the war, when it was possible to form new divisions in dozens (in July 1941 it was necessary to form 71 divisions (56 infantry divisions and 15 cavalry divisions), in August - 110 divisions (85 infantry divisions and 25 cavalry divisions), in October - 74 rifle divisions brigades) are over.
                So these formations were filled, among other things, with those called up from the national army. republics Of course, the backbone was Slavic, but without the “nationals” the “fat times” would have been much different.

                Quote: Alexey RA
                And against the backdrop of the beginning of the exhaustion of mobresources, a directive is suddenly issued to reduce the mobilization base.
                The beginning is not a crisis, especially an acute one! In addition, the directive concerned only one conscription age...

                Quote: Alexey RA
                And then the crisis with l/s only grew.
                I won’t argue, but let me remind you that the conscription included those from the liberated territories of the USSR, incl. and Western.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The apogee was the Battle of Berlin, when the USSR could not find military personnel to bring the divisions at least in the direction of the main attack to at least half the strength.

                This is the first time I’ve heard about “half the staff.” Links please.
                1. 0
                  April 3 2024 16: 02
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  This is the first time I’ve heard about “half the staff.” Links please.

                  Look at Isaev - "Berlin 45".
                  Here's the state:
                  The last states of rifle formations were adopted in December 1944. These were states No. 05/40 dated December 18, 1944 of the guards and regular rifle divisions. According to the staff, the Guards Rifle Division was supposed to have 11 people, 706 horses, 1155 vehicles, 342 tractor-trailers, 77 motorcycles.

                  According to state number 05/40, the rifle division had 11 people (780 officers, 1135 sergeants, 3098 privates), 7547 horses (1196 riding, 55 artillery, 387 convoys), 754 vehicles (437 cars, 15 trucks, 313 special, 32 tractor units).

                  But here is the real number of divisions in Chuikov’s army as of April 10.04.1945, XNUMX:

                  Only two divisions exceeded the 5000 man level.
                  The same Zhukov had no illusions at all about the USSR's military resources - and on February 27.02.1945, 30, he requested only XNUMX thousand reinforcements to prepare an entire front for the Berlin offensive.
                  5. 30 thousand [people] replenishment to bring [number] of infantry divisions to 5-6 thousandth;
                  1. +1
                    April 3 2024 16: 36
                    30 thousand [people] replenishment to bring the [number of] rifle divisions to 5-6 thousand personnel

                    How many rifle divisions were there in the 1st Belorussian?
                    Well, if the rifle corps has 3 divisions, the army has 4 corps, if memory serves, and the armies seem to be 3, 61, 5, 33, 68, 47, 8, 28 (separate mechanized and cavalry corps, tank armies, auxiliary I exclude parts from consideration).
                    In total, about a hundred divisions. To bring 30 thousand of them up to 5-6 thousand, the division will get on average 300 people. Increasing combat effectiveness by 2% is not serious.
                  2. +1
                    April 3 2024 17: 14
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Look at Isaev - "Berlin 45".

                    Thank you. It is interesting that before mentioning the staff of rifle divisions, it is mentioned that both tank and self-propelled regiments and brigades are assigned from company to battalion.
                    "In the self-propelled artillery brigade on the SU-76 of the state No. 010/508 of 1944 there was a whole battalion of machine gunners."
                    Did they have to come from somewhere?

                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Only two divisions exceeded the 5000 man level.
                    It is convincing what to do, however:
                    “The state itself became an abstraction that influenced to a greater extent the artillery armament of the divisions... ....The artillery armament of the State Guards Rifle Division No. 05/40 consisted of eighteen 45-mm anti-tank guns, eighteen 57-mm anti-tank guns, twelve 76- mm regimental guns, eighty-nine 82-mm mortars, thirty-eight 120-mm mortars, twenty-four 76-mm divisional guns, twelve 122-mm howitzers... ...An ordinary rifle division had an organizational structure similar to the Guards Rifle Division."
                    And yet, it is repeatedly mentioned that
                    “staffing levels were traditionally low for 1945,” so we can conclude that neither in 1943, nor even in 1944, was staffing shortages “traditional,” which means there was no crisis, let alone an acute one, with personnel in the Soviet army.
                    And at the end of 1945, the lack of staffing did not become critical.
                    There was certainly a problem, but what does 1943 have to do with it?
                    1. +1
                      April 4 2024 11: 05
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      It is convincing what to do, however:
                      “The state itself became an abstraction, influencing to a greater extent the artillery armament of the divisions...

                      This only means that when determining the order of forces for an operation, the staff could only be used in terms of artillery. And the personnel had to be clarified specifically for each division - and adjustments made for the actual filling. For by 1945 there were no fully staffed divisions, which appear in all Charters and calculations of forces, in the Active Army.
                      It was not for nothing that in the same Berlin there appeared groups that were completely wild from the point of view of a peacetime staff officer, such as an infantry regiment, which was supported by an artillery division, a heavy tank or self-propelled regiment and a couple of mortar brigades. Excuse me, who is supporting whom?
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      And yet, it is repeatedly mentioned that
                      “staffing levels were traditionally low for 1945,” so we can conclude that neither in 1943, nor even in 1944, was staffing shortages “traditional,” which means there was no crisis, let alone an acute one, with personnel in the Soviet army.

                      Was. It’s just that in 1944 the divisions were staffed higher - 60-65% of the staff. But there was still no full staff.
                      Here, for example, is the right flank of Operation Bagration - the Vitebsk-Orsha operation (23/28.06.1944-3/5). In the Orsha direction, the XNUMXrd BF breaks through the enemy defenses to introduce the XNUMXth Guards into a “clean breakthrough”. TA - that is, this is the direction of the main attack.
                      And this is how he does it:
                      5th Army: number of divisions from 5050 to 7161, average 6663 people.
                      11th Guards Army: number of divisions from 7238 to 7428, average 7346 people.
                      31th Army: number of divisions from 5016 to 7078, average 6125 people.

                      It hasn’t reached the “five-thousander divisions” yet, but it’s getting close.
            2. -4
              April 3 2024 12: 13
              “I sympathize, but how does this relate to the acute crisis? Did you drag this in to cover up your illiteracy?”
              “Well, I know you as a person prone to writing lies, nonsense and incapable of numbers,”
              6 called up with 500 losses is not enough even for a day.
              Hmm, it’s strange - soldiers died in the country, but I don’t know how to do numbers.
              It’s not me who will answer (post Alexey RA) - I’m an illiterate du/cancer who can’t be trusted
              “And then the crisis with l/s only grew. The apogee was the Battle of Berlin, when the USSR could not find military personnel to bring the divisions at least in the direction of the main attack to at least half the strength."
              1. +1
                April 3 2024 12: 47
                with 8 losses, this is not even enough for a day.
                Hmm, it’s strange - soldiers died in the country, but I don’t know how to do numbers.

                So one thing (a soldier died) does not contradict the other (I don’t know how to do numbers). request
                1. -1
                  April 3 2024 15: 21
                  Persuaded - I sprinkle ashes on my head and admit that I am incompetent and a fool compared to you and especially Vladimir _2U.
                  I confess, I tried to contradict you - the great experts and geniuses of all times and peoples. But in vain - You and him are two seers - you put me in the wrong place right away, right away - otherwise I’m still trying to flutter.
                  I will try not to catch the eye of you again - two of the greatest people of all times.
                  1. +1
                    April 3 2024 15: 32
                    Sergey, you are reacting too violently to a completely neutral message.
                    1. 0
                      April 3 2024 15: 42
                      No, completely and strictly in accordance with availability great strategists / tacticians virologists / historians / military / and others at VO.
                      Tired....
              2. +1
                April 3 2024 15: 54
                Quote: your1970
                “And then the crisis with l/s only grew. The apogee was the Battle of Berlin, when the USSR could not find l/s to bring the divisions at least in the direction of the main attack to at least half of the staff.”

                Yeah, where is 1945 and where is 1943. You can’t even calculate those numbers. And I responded to Alexey’s comment.
              3. +1
                April 3 2024 16: 10
                And Alexey did not comment on this:
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                You're really not good with numbers. Because tens of thousands are not many millions. Also, don’t be friendly with facts, because shabashniks are something like shift workers on minimum wage. There could be no talk of any “diasporas” either there or there.
                Quote: your1970
                And we had Koreans since 1960 and Kurds since the 1970s. And in Murmansk suddenly there lived Kazakhs - really, our Saratov ones.
                Well, they pushed the Russians out of the neighborhoods, not to mention the districts, right? It is you who stubbornly draw current realities onto the past.


                Quote: your1970
                Haven’t you also heard that by this time it was strictly forbidden to send tankers and gun commanders/gunners anywhere?
                Another example of “misunderstanding” or ignorance of history. Prohibition of transferring technical specialists to the infantry, incl. after being wounded, he was introduced at the end of 1942. Then there was no acute crisis with l/s? So why?

                Quote: your1970
                Why did they start canceling the remaining reservations from the railway, except for the drivers/assistants?
                And using the example of tank crews, why would you believe that armor would be removed from railway workers by the end of 1943? If you are not lying at all about the MASS removal of armor.

                Isn’t it because your words barely correspond to reality?
                1. -1
                  April 3 2024 16: 20
                  I have already repented
                  "They persuaded me - I sprinkle ashes on my head and admit that I am incompetent and a fool compared to you and especially Vladimir _2U.
                  I confess, I tried to contradict you - the great experts and geniuses of all times and peoples. But in vain - You and him are two seers - you put me in the wrong place right away, right away - otherwise I’m still trying to flutter.
                  I’ll try not to come across the eyes of you again - two of the greatest people of all times."


                  Go to the steppe beyond the Third Kurgan - it’s beautiful there now, the birds are singing....
                  1. Msi
                    +2
                    April 3 2024 18: 22
                    Go to the steppe beyond the Third Kurgan - it’s beautiful there now, the birds are singing

                    Is that all? crying It was so interesting to read your intellectual battle.
                    PS I learned for myself about the huge shortfall during the storming of Berlin. First time I heard it. Curious...
    2. -10
      April 3 2024 09: 38
      Quote: ivan2022
      For many authors, sticking ritual needles into the corpse of the USSR becomes a pathological end in itself. But still, the idea of ​​​​friendship of peoples is better than the idea of ​​their mutual hatred.


      You are probably one of those who sees the surrounding reality from written articles of a certain direction or “from the window of a personal car”

      Many peoples, the Baltic, Finnish, Kazakhs, Circassians, Kalmyks, Ukrainians, were ARTIFICIALLY created national formations. Since the culture and land of these peoples was stolen and taken away by the Russian and Cossack people, these synthesized peoples hate their ancestors, because they have already written new stories for themselves and they defend it with foam at the mouth, belittling Russian culture, of course.
      What kind of “friendship” can there be between the real and the fictional?
  5. +2
    April 3 2024 06: 50
    I remembered the famous story: “You are not a soldier, but we are not a prisoner.”
  6. +4
    April 3 2024 07: 39
    Workers from Central Asia had problems with the Russian language, did not have qualified knowledge and skills,

    Nothing changes...
    Only the Kremlin of 1941 understood this well, and it was different from the current Kremlin.
  7. +4
    April 3 2024 07: 42
    I have a feeling that there is something provocative in the article.
    Everyone knows that some people are eager to split our multi-ethnicity...
    Far from it, I’m not delighted with Putin, but he’s right: “Russia for Russians,” for all its attractiveness, is dangerous for Russians.
    Katya’s stepfather is Kabardian, when there were rumors that the RDK would land in Kuban, she and all her relatives were invited to the village. And then getting there is a lost cause. They won’t get any Zelensky or Biden.
    My “little one” chose Russian citizenship and is ready to fight for Russia, and she is Estonian.
    I didn’t expect Samsonov to be provocative
    1. Msi
      +2
      April 3 2024 18: 17
      I didn’t expect Samsonov to be provocative

      Nothing surprises me at VO anymore... especially now, when the national issue is so acute. Why print this?
      1. -2
        April 3 2024 21: 02
        Quote from Msi
        Nothing surprises me at VO anymore... especially now, when the national issue is so acute. Why print this?


        But the fact that the story is not just made up, but what really happened doesn’t occur to you? Or do you think that Samsonov is lying? Then prove it.
  8. +5
    April 3 2024 08: 47
    Well, on the Internet there are a bunch of different articles with the headings “Who were the Germans afraid to death in the Second World War,” and there are stories about entire divisions of some small nationalities, at the reminder of which Hitler himself hid in the corner of the room and cried for several days. For some reason, no one is interested in such articles do not outrage, although they are lies.
    1. 0
      April 4 2024 15: 19
      “I cried for several days,” but did the author see all this or where did this information come from?
  9. +2
    April 3 2024 09: 04
    In addition to the problems during the Second World War, a lot can be written about the problems with Asian and Caucasian peoples in the army during the 80s and 90s, not to mention the present.
    The main thing is to know what problems they can bring and how to deal with them. It is necessary to educate people from childhood, from school, and not just provide educational services at school.
  10. +2
    April 3 2024 09: 50
    great article! thanks to the author! I invite everyone to chip in to buy him a reward compass for measuring skulls!
    1. -3
      April 3 2024 22: 19
      Quote: Geronimo73
      great article! thanks to the author! I invite everyone to chip in to buy him a reward compass for measuring skulls!


      The difference is so noticeable that you don’t even need a compass.
  11. +3
    April 3 2024 10: 09
    Formed in June-August 1941 as the 316th Infantry Division from residents of the Kazakh SSR and Kirghiz SSR.

    She became famous in the battles near Moscow, stopping the advance of the advanced formations of the German Army Group Center (commander Fedor von Bock) on Moscow in October and November 1941.

    It’s interesting what our kind author will say about this.
  12. -1
    April 3 2024 10: 36
    Thus, despite a broad information campaign “on the friendship of peoples,” “internationalism of the Red Army,” etc., the Soviet leadership had to take drastic measures to limit the conscription of “non-Slavic and non-European” nationalities. The “War of Motors” showed their inability to combat.


    Another stupidity of the Soviet leadership. We always tried to take the easiest route. History has shown that front-line soldiers turned out to be the cementing composition of post-war society. In those republics where there were many of them, there were no problems of separatism and in general the society was healthier. If the Soviet leadership had been able to find ways to attract the population of small nations to serve in the Soviet Army, then you see, the USSR would not have collapsed.
  13. +2
    April 3 2024 10: 41
    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
    were they these Cossack units?

    For example, Dovator's cavalry group (later 2nd Guards KK)
    1. -3
      April 3 2024 11: 48
      Quote: Lewww
      For example, Dovator's cavalry group (later 2nd Guards KK)

      read my message above about the history of the Cossacks.
      1. +2
        April 3 2024 14: 55
        Your tales about how the Cossacks were destroyed in the USSR are not interesting to me.
        And I studied the history of the Cossacks from the works of E.P. Savelyev and S.G. Svatikova
        1. -3
          April 4 2024 08: 48
          Quote: Lewww
          Your tales about how the Cossacks were destroyed in the USSR are not interesting to me.
          And I studied the history of the Cossacks from the works of E.P. Savelyev and S.G. Svatikova


          I read Savelyev and I can say that regarding the etymology of the word Cossack Savelyev, in addition to the commonly used
          -Cossack - Turkic word - free, from what language exactly?
          can't say anything more.
          Lists, or better to say, embeds the history of the Cossacks into commonly used history from Herodotus, Strabo to Karamzin.
          True, there is already one interesting point.

          In this place up to the river. Merusa, flowing into Pontus, are the mountains,
          along which the Circassians or Tsikis (Sigs or Chigis of Strabo) live. In the hope of inaccessibility
          mountains, they obey neither the Turks nor the Tatars. However, the Russians testify that they are Christians, live according to their own laws, agree with the Greeks in faith and rituals, and perform divine services in the Slavic language, which they use. These are the most daring sea
          robbers, for along the rivers flowing from their mountains they descend in ships to the sea and rob everyone,
          whom they can, especially those sailing from Kafa to Constantinople"


          So, these Circassians, Savelyev does not call them Ubykhs, spoke Slavic and were Christians. Modern historians are already trying to hush up these facts. Although it is obvious to me, for example, that the Cherkasy Cossacks fought on the seas on large sea ships.
          1. +1
            April 4 2024 11: 01
            I read Savelyev and I can say that regarding the etymology of the word Cossack Savelyev, in addition to the commonly used
            -Cossack - Turkic word - free, from what language exactly?
            can't say anything more.
            If you don’t read carefully, Savelyev puts forward several versions about the origin of this name
            Although it is obvious to me, for example, that the Cherkasy Cossacks fought on the seas on large naval ships.
            well... you undoubtedly know better than Savelyev
  14. 0
    April 3 2024 14: 01
    I have an assistant, Bill, an Armenian. Has the Order of Courage.
    By those John. Will make any equipment work
    If you come across a “volunteer” or an “Azovian” John, he’ll figure it out. Lover of oriental things
  15. +2
    April 3 2024 14: 49
    About the 2nd formation of the “Baltic” units.

    Firstly, many Estonians and Latvians, who were already in the 2nd or 3rd generation living outside their republics, were called there. But there weren’t enough of them either, so they actively diluted them with “Estonian and Latvian” Russians, Jews, etc.

    Secondly - however, this is a particular thing - Eremenko’s quote that supposedly “To disorient the enemy, they launched the 8th Estonian Rifle Corps in the direction of Velikiye Luki,” etc. “cunning plans” are, to a large extent, simply a post-war covering up of one’s mistakes. Read the memories of veterans as it really happened.
    1. +2
      April 3 2024 16: 40
      Actually, Eremenko is a somewhat peculiar comrade. He could not have promised Stalin anything and blamed Stalin
  16. +2
    April 3 2024 15: 50
    Colleagues, off topic. My son arrived for 2 days. Brought: Glock-19 and 200 seeds
    . Plus “selected articles by Lenin” from 1954!
    For this he took my phone.
    His vanity eats away: a senior lieutenant, and then a sergeant major
  17. +2
    April 3 2024 18: 55
    The author is an obvious Nazi, and he’s talking nonsense - it seems they stopped calling, from the 43rd, from the Caucasus and from Central Asia
    1. +4
      April 3 2024 19: 32
      Comrades, what do you want from the “Samsonov brothers”? I stopped being surprised at their “creativity” a long time ago. They, +Kharluzhny, know how to write something that you can’t read without a “stoparik”
      1. +4
        April 3 2024 20: 13
        This isn’t a joke, you have to hit the face here
        1. 0
          April 28 2024 09: 01
          “You have to hit me in the face” I don’t agree. Here you need “birch porridge”. The effect is amazing, remember how Shurik raised Smirnov? "It is necessary, Fedya, it is necessary" (c)
  18. +1
    April 3 2024 19: 27
    Quote: Astra wild2
    Colleagues, off topic. My son arrived for 2 days. Brought: Glock-19 and 200 seeds
    . Plus “selected articles by Lenin” from 1954!
    For this he took my phone.
    His vanity eats away: a senior lieutenant, and then a sergeant major

    For a Glock with cartridges, 2 telephones, you can give it as a gift.
  19. +3
    April 3 2024 19: 47
    Abubakir Yusupovich Merkhaidarov, Bashkir, gunner in Oskin’s crew, the first destroyed Royal Tiger. Barbakadze, commander of the 12th battery of the 1st division, 101st artillery brigade of the Baltic Fleet, one of the saviors of Leningrad, Gadzhiev, submariner, Pliev, Ossetian, renowned commander of the cavalry-mechanized formations of the Red Army, Gabunia, leading Kozhedub in his first battles. Momysh Uly, battalion commander, then regiment commander in the 316th division.
  20. 0
    April 3 2024 20: 10
    Recently we were told about our unity and cohesion. Yes, unity in grief. From the comments to the article, the question is: where is our unity? understanding of in the most important topic of national relations and self-identification? The conclusion from this brief discussion is confusion, disorientation. What are the reasons for confusion and the absence of a single vector and core? Maybe he is not needed? Next, where is our unity? in action at the national level? Maybe it's not necessary either? Who doesn't need it? Who will create it?
  21. +2
    April 3 2024 21: 09
    I recommend the author to read the book “Russia and the USSR in the wars of the 20th century. Losses of the armed forces” Author Krivosheev G. F. Polyakov Yu. A., as well as the works of Marshal Bagramyan, Babajanyan and so on...
  22. +5
    April 3 2024 21: 19
    I read and was surprised by the short information “From the small Armenian SSR, about 300 thousand people went to the front, which amounted to more than 20% of the total population, whose number was less than 1,5 million people” and “List of Heroes of the Soviet Union of the Armenian SSR, including who arrived to live in Armenia after the Great Patriotic War. The total number of Armenians awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union is 107 people, and from Armenia itself - 118. ".... We need to go to the hall of fame in Moscow to count since the Alley of Heroes in Yerevan they are exactly There is ,,,,
  23. +4
    April 3 2024 21: 45
    It’s just that in the Armenian SSR, conscription was suspended due to a lack of mobilization resources; in addition, more than 200 thousand Armenians were called up to the front from other union republics. In addition, more than 100.000 Armenians from the diaspora fought in the ranks of the armies of the USSR’s allies (USA and England) in the anti-Hitler coalition and “During the Great Patriotic War, 6 national Armenian divisions were formed: 89th, 408th, 409th, 261st, 76th and 390th. Of these, all except the 261st participated in battles In the Armenian SSR, 8 divisions were also completed: 31st, 61st, 136th, 138th, 151st, 236th, 320th, 406th, a significant part of the personnel of which were Armenians. including the 89th triple-ordered Taman Rifle Division" And also more than 200 thousand Armenians did not return from the Great Patriotic War, that is, of the 500 citizens of Armenian nationality called up on the territory of the USSR, 000% died.....
  24. +1
    April 4 2024 08: 06
    Strange article...was there a problem? Of course she was... but as a person. little familiar with past life's political work, I can tell. as for the Russian and other “European” peoples, a lot of things can be found in the documents of the Heads of the PU of the Red Army, and for the Cossacks the fact of the atrocities of the 35 thousandth corps of the traitor Krasnov in the Balkans is widely known ... at the same time, in the Voronezh region there is a monument to the Kyrgyz Cholponbai Tuleberdiev, who repeated the feat of Alexander Matrosov... Now why stir things up, when on the fronts of the Northern Military District, Chechens, Ossetians, Russians are fighting Nazism shoulder to shoulder... Why such articles now?
  25. +2
    April 4 2024 09: 17
    The author forgot to mention that out of 3.9 million Soviet prisoners of war, 3 million were Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. And also an entire army of the ROA, recruited by the collaborator General Vlasov. But from the “unreliable” Kyrgyz SSR, 380 thousand soldiers were called up to the front - 90% of the male population. Of these, 74 received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Only 170 thousand returned home.
  26. 0
    April 4 2024 15: 22
    The issue of nationality was kept secret, and as a child I imagined the USSR without this issue, I just like Russia and I probably did not recognize any national issues. Later, during the reign of Havel and his mature henchmen, Slovakia suddenly turned away from us, and only then did we understand how complex the national question is. am
  27. 0
    April 4 2024 17: 37
    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
    content in Russian.

    If you are talking about Russian linguistics, it would be nice to write the word “in Russian” correctly.
  28. -1
    April 4 2024 17: 38
    Quote: Andrey Kuligin
    Strange article...was there a problem? Of course she was... but as a person. little familiar with past life's political work, I can tell. as for the Russian and other “European” peoples, a lot of things can be found in the documents of the Heads of the PU of the Red Army, and for the Cossacks the fact of the atrocities of the 35 thousandth corps of the traitor Krasnov in the Balkans is widely known ... at the same time, in the Voronezh region there is a monument to the Kyrgyz Cholponbai Tuleberdiev, who repeated the feat of Alexander Matrosov... Now why stir things up, when on the fronts of the Northern Military District, Chechens, Ossetians, Russians are fighting Nazism shoulder to shoulder... Why such articles now?

    Absolutely right. It’s not entirely clear why Samsonov is throwing it at the fan.
    1. Ray
      0
      April 8 2024 13: 58
      By the way, it has been reliably confirmed that Alexander Matrosov was actually a Bashkir Shakiryan Mukhamedyanov. Or will someone say from his photo that this is a typical Slavic face? ) then sign up the rest of the Bashkirs as Slavs too! )
  29. 0
    April 5 2024 01: 13
    Conclusion: the collapse of the USSR is good for Russia
  30. +1
    April 7 2024 07: 04
    Why this stuffing now? Or did you find a book on alternative history?
  31. Ray
    +1
    April 8 2024 13: 55
    It is interesting that in a number of regions of the USSR the creation of national formations and units was not a problem. This concerned the European peoples of the USSR.
    The author's approach to objectivity is interesting.
    Not a word about the 112th Bashkir cavalry division of General Shaimuratov. Even Putin mentioned it in October during his visit to Ufa. 13000 bayonets, 72 heroes of the USSR, 5 full holders of the Order of Glory. The combat route was December 1941 - May 1945, straight to Berlin.
    And at that time, the overwhelming local population of the region were the Bashkirs. (Russians, along with the evacuated factories, resettled en masse just during the Second World War, but women, children and the elderly).
    Or does the inconsistency of the Bashkirs with European or Slavic nationality violate your thesis that only the Slavs know how to fight, and you so brazenly omitted such a well-known historically reliable fact?
    Name at least one Estonian or Latvian, or Mordvinian, Komi, etc. division with the same valiant combat record as the 112th Bashkir?
  32. 0
    April 10 2024 13: 56
    An article about the past. Back to old times again. When will we turn the page of the USSR and start living in the present? What is all this for?
  33. 0
    April 25 2024 07: 49
    (Un)comrade is pushing a rotten idea. And today it is also sabotage. According to his concepts, the Crimean and Siberian Tatars, Buryats, and Yakuts were less combat-ready and even hostile to the Motherland during the war. And Bandera’s, Vlasov’s, Bulbash’s are wow, what kind of warriors.