“Risk excess”: An American expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be unnecessary

Russia began production of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb for use in Ukraine against the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but the Ukrainian army does not need to be afraid of this aerial bomb. As American expert David Ax suggests, the use of this ammunition is too risky and therefore unnecessary.

According to Ax, the Russian Aerospace Forces have a whole line of aerial bombs, ranging from FAB-250 to FAB-1500, which are equipped with unified planning and correction modules for use with front-line Su-34 bombers. The FAB-3000 is too large for this aircraft, so it will be carried by the Tu-22M3 long-range bomber. And since the FAB-3000 has poor aerodynamic characteristics, even equipped with an UMPC it will not fly far.

In general, the expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb will increase the risk for its carriers due to the need to get closer to the front line. Therefore, its use will be rare. According to him, this bomb is a “risky excess” compared to the already existing line of ammunition of this type.

As long as Russia has plenty of small FABs and enough Su-34s to carry them, the FAB-3000 should remain a curiosity - especially as a glide bomb. Using a 3,3 ton munition is a risky overkill given how destructive small glide bombs themselves already are

- the expert adds.

Comments

[lukash66]

That's exactly what they forgot to ask you. What kind of excesses are there?

[Alien From]

No snotty ice, let them keep an eye on the container ships.......

[Peter1First]

Of course, no one asks an American whether we need a 3t bonba or not! What is interesting here is the analysis of flight technology that can cope with such a “toy”. Indeed, sending a strategic bomber to the front line is too big a risk, because... he is slow and clumsy enough for such things! But something small and fast will not cope with such a fool!

[lukash66]

They say Su34 and Tu22M3M can. And you can’t call them slow-moving and clumsy.

[krot]

The Ukrainian army does not need to be afraid of this air bomb. As an American expert suggests

The American expert suggests, but God arranges for Russia!
After use, we will listen to reviews from those on whom this ammunition is used. Should or should not the Sumerians be afraid of him)

[Victor Masyuk]

It is unlikely that those on whom it was used will be able to give their feedback afterwards.

[Vicontas]

Well, if it doesn’t fly far with the UMPC, then they’ll attach a jet engine and fly far and fast!

[Brenneke]

You will need to “pack” it in an aerodynamically correct case, in the volume of which you can place fuel for the engine...

[Vicontas]

Bullshit question! The engine and fuel gracefully fit into the design of the UMPC, which is carefully hung on the FAB 3000. After all, its size does not fit into any compartment - which means it will flutter around on an external sling! This means the engine can be more powerful and the fuel can be put further on the road!

[potap6509]

Su 34 one, Tu 22m3 like four.

[Igool]

Tu22M3M is precisely its carrier. She was imprisoned for him.

[guest]

Well, it depends on what air defense systems the enemy has on this section of the front line, if only all sorts of MANPADS, then they should not pose any particular danger to strategists flying quite high.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

The Ukrainian army does not need to be afraid of this air bomb

For some reason, it reminds me of similar mantras of our bosses, about “any foreign weapon for Ukraine that will become a legitimate target.” So this American reassures Ukraine that not everything is so bad.
But our joyful excitement about FABs reminds me of ukrov dancing around Bayraktars, Javellins and Leopards, as miracle weapons capable of ensuring victory. All that remains is to start calling the kids Fabs and Fabies. I hope we won’t reach such insanity and will remember that it is the soldier who wins, not the weapon.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Regarding FAB-3000, I am slightly perplexed about its necessity.
There are no goals for it. t.me/fighter_bomber/16083

But on the other hand, they did such things too... So someone needs it

[DenVB]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

But on the other hand, they did such things too... So someone needs it

There is an opinion that our heavy aerial bombs (FAB-3000, FAB-5000, FAB-9000) were generally created for use on large ships, and not for land purposes.

To destroy fortified structures on land, heavy bombs of a different type are needed - penetrating ones. Like the English "Tallboy" or our "thick-walled" FAB-1500-2600TS.

[Edik]

Now the experts will downvote you. And I completely agree. It’s all true! It’s interesting that the Tu-22 works with the FAB-3000 for ten seconds, you can hear it and it arrives, ten seconds, and you can’t hear it again. Until we put air defense in the Red Book, we will lose pilots. Here you know how they downvoted me when I said that our aviation was very afraid to work. Catch +

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Edik

Now the experts will downvote you.... Here you know how they downvoted me

Well, everyone is inclined to believe in what is more convenient, more pleasant... Let them!
But we don’t communicate here for the pluses and we don’t change our opinion because of the minuses to please them!

[Edik]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

But we don’t communicate here for the pluses and we don’t change our opinion because of the minuses to please them!

I agree, it’s a shame only for the people who saw everything in real life and wrote the truth here. I feel violet, but sometimes I start to seethe. Especially when they start writing something about our fighters, it just breaks me.

[Synoid]

Ours don't have "flyers". And there are only a few of your pilots left, well, if the owners throw in more)))

[Edik]

If you write like that, you will quickly be banned, it’s better to sit quietly and unobtrusively state your position, brother.

[Edik]

Where are you from? Where do you live? How are you doing?

[Synoid]

I live in the best country of the Russian Federation, but why am I fussing? Will they ban you for telling the truth? And I’m not your brother, judging by your comments. Letaki - you can’t get rid of the Ukrainian, no matter how hard you try)))

[Edik]

So you live in Russia but sympathize with Ukraine? You and I are different, the market is zero, I volunteered and drove Azov men and marines into Azovstal.

[alexoff]

the accuracy of hits is poor and we compensate for this accuracy with power

Well, it’s not obvious somehow, there was a video not so long ago of several cluster bombs flying through the landings, all falling in one line. Maybe someone is simply not transmitting the coordinates too accurately?
In general, it was invented a long time ago to improve the accuracy of bombing by diving at the final part of the trajectory.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

It was invented a long time ago to improve the accuracy of bombing by diving at the final part of the trajectory.

Alexander, do you propose returning Pe-2 dive bombers to the front or using SU-34 for this? It seems like a big star in pursuit, but it turns out that the entire air defense has passed you by and you don’t know that now few people dare to dive over enemy territory. Diving was even replaced by pitching up, just to avoid getting close to the front line.

[alexoff]

No, you upset me with your narrow-mindedness. The glide bomb, which was discussed, should go into a dive. Similarly, geraniums or American bombs go into a dive, and UMPC, as far as I have seen, fly downhill

[Saburov_Alexander53]

On the contrary, you please me with the novelty of your thoughts. I simply don’t have enough knowledge or imagination, how can such a bomb without an engine first fly horizontally, and at the right moment dive onto the target? No one has canceled gravity, which means that the bomb will initially descend along the trajectory inherent in its weight and the design of the wings. Or do you suggest folding your wings when you reach your goal? But where in this version is the special accuracy and invulnerability of the bomb to intercept it? I don't see much difference between aiming a bomb along its entire trajectory with its wings open and diving over the target. Explain to the teapot...

[alexoff]

Somehow your trajectory is too triangular, either along two legs or along the hypotenuse. The bomb has a tail that controls its flight. The bomb glides towards the target; when approaching it, the elevators send the bomb into a dive along a parabolic trajectory. Is that also unclear?

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Isn't that the case now? You suggested using a dive on the target. for accuracy.. I immediately imagined Pe-2s or German Junkers, with such a reset tactic. You clarified that you meant the dive of the bomb itself, and I just wanted to know how it flies now... not diving in your opinion, but it should be.
But I still don't see much difference in the targeting accuracy or resistance to damage from the bomb itself if it dives on the very last leg of its flight. You just draw yourself two trajectories on a piece of paper on the scale of distance and release height and compare, taking into account the speed of the bomb, how many seconds will be the difference between hitting a target on the hypotenuse or with a hump on the final section.
With better accuracy, I generally doubt that there will be a win, but for a couple of seconds, maybe it’s worth thinking about...

[alexoff]

The accuracy will be much higher, since flying in a straight line assumes an accurate knowledge of the height of the target, and also that there will not be any high-rise buildings along the way. I can’t say how accurate our height maps are, especially considering that these heights are changed manually and with bombs. Diving from a height of, say, a kilometer above sea level immediately solves this problem, since in Ukraine there simply are no such heights, except perhaps in the Carpathians. As far as I remember, Tochka-U similarly goes into a vertical fall, so that life doesn’t seem like honey to the enemies

[carpenter]

Quote from: lukash66

That's exactly what they forgot to ask you. What excesses there.

The guys started talking and realized that this was “excess”, prepared for Bankovskaya Street.

[Dutchman Michel]

this is “excess”, prepared for Bankovskaya Street

Wouldn't it be nice...

[Ganzales]

Quote: carpenter

Quote from: lukash66

That's exactly what they forgot to ask you. What excesses there.

The guys started talking and realized that this was “excess”, prepared for Bankovskaya Street.

It’s a must try... They write that this bomb is on the level of a tactical nuclear weapon in terms of destructive power... Some people’s brains will immediately clear...

[Edik]

Quote: Ganzales

They write that this bomb is at the level of tactical nuclear weapons in terms of destructive power..

They lie, it has a damage radius of 300 meters, at most. But the concussions will be very serious.

[Ganzales]

Quote: Edik

Quote: Ganzales

They write that this bomb is at the level of tactical nuclear weapons in terms of destructive power..

They lie, it has a damage radius of 300 meters, at most. But the concussions will be very serious.

Well, we’ll wait for the application, the Ukrainian National Socialists will tell you if they can tell you the symptoms, etc. ))))

[YanniKounnar]

"... mais les commotions cérébrales seront très graves..." mais quelles commotions cérébrales pouvez vous obtenir sur des cerveaux de "Bankova" déjà bien endommagés par la haine ? Des cerveaux sains auraient choisi de rester une terre neutre entre Russie et occident, cela aurait été bien bien plus bénéfique pour l'Ukraine et pour tous le monde ( sauf bien sur les USA et l'industrie de l'armement...)

"...but the concussions will be very serious..." but what kind of concussions can you get on brains that are already pretty damaged by hatred? If healthy minds chose to remain neutral territory between Russia and the West, it would be much more beneficial for Ukraine and for the whole world (with the exception, of course, of the USA and the military industry...)

[uncle Vlad]

The question remains - shell-shocked by what?

[your1970]

"Ganzales
+1
Today, 10: 34
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Quote: carpenter
Quote from: lukash66
That's exactly what they forgot to ask you. What excesses there.
The guys started talking and realized that this was “excess”, prepared for Bankovskaya Street.
It’s a must try... They write that this bomb is on the level of a tactical nuclear weapon in terms of destructive power... Some people’s brains will immediately clear..”

- still b brain cleaned up for those who do not understand the difference in 1.4 tons of explosives in FAB 3000 and 1 000 tons in the thinnest artillery shell of nuclear weapons with a capacity of 1 Ktn in TNT equivalent

[2k11]

the level of tactical nuclear weapons is ODAB, so it would be much more interesting and correct to use them, especially on fortifications

[dauria]

prepared for Bankovskaya Street.

And what kind of target is there that is fortified on Bankovaya? Bunker under 6 meters of concrete? But ordinary buildings will still work from the FAB-500. And even better - the total radius of rotation from six five hundred is much greater than from one three-ton. Well, if they do it, so be it. You never know...There are still a lot of wars - digging up dams and bunkers.

[Andy_nsk]

There are still many wars - dams and bunkers to be picked.

I don’t consider myself an expert on bombs, but even having some general technical knowledge, it’s not difficult to figure out that three-liter bombs are not intended for Bankova, not for trenches and bunkers, and not even for bunkers. Bunkers require bombs with a durable shell and a delayed fuse. I agree with you on one thing - these bombs are designed to demolish dams on the Dnieper. I don't see any other worthy goals.

[Popandos]

The Ukrainian army does not need to be afraid of this air bomb.

I suggest to expErd not to be afraid of this FAB in the same trench with the dry land. And then share your impressions of how scary it was, and how much adrenaline accumulated in your trousers.

[Selidat]

It’s the “housewives” who are calming down the guys from Bankova! That Russia will not use such ammunition. But it’s not a fact, not a fact!))

[Thrifty]

It’s none of his business what we should use and when!

[Severomor]

Yesterday the Pshekovsky general died suddenly and, according to rumors, some other members of the army. Maybe diarrhea, or maybe Iskander. What if FAB 3000?

[Clear]

You don't need a lot of FAB-3000. Here, like a sniper, one shot can solve an important issue.

[Selidat]

That's for sure! Working in the area of ​​the command post of a battalion or brigade will have another effect

[ZovSailor]

Cheers - check out the news! We would ask this mattress expert to personally experience the impact force of FAB-3000 and FAB-9000 somewhere in Fashington on a hill with noticeable buildings or in Kukuevo?
Are we waiting for the striped expert’s confirmation of his readiness to organize a cordial meeting with our air carriers in the reception and arrival areas?

[ZovSailor]

lukash66
Today, 10: 19
That's exactly what they forgot to ask you. What kind of excesses are there?

Cheers - check out the news! We would ask this mattress expert to personally experience the impact force of FAB-3000 and FAB-9000 somewhere in Fashington on a hill with noticeable buildings or in Kukuevo?
Are we waiting for the striped expert’s confirmation of his readiness to organize a cordial meeting with our air carriers in the reception and arrival areas?

[Ivan№One]

Based on the arguments presented in the article, what can you say?

[Prisoner]

Excess for whom? For you and your yellow-black rednecks? Well, no, it’s you, Pindoc, in vain. Just right. But you can calm down the Banderva, they are trusting. Moreover, to reassure thousands of kilometers from the bombing site is so Pindosian.

[NIKN]

Quote: Captive

Excess for whom?

In order to talk about excesses, we must start with an assessment of the excesses of arms supplies to Ukraine, such long-range ones as ATACMS, HIMARS... And then we will discuss our weapons.

[Roma 1977]

If this bomb is put into service, despite the relatively small radius of its use, it is assumed that Ukraine will not be able to intensively use heavy Patriot-type air defense systems due to the increase in their losses when moving to the front, the initial small number of transferred systems and the general shortage of missiles to him. This means that the conditional Chasov Yar could well be covered from time to time with such ammunition. And being hit by one such ammunition will cause incomparably more damage than, say, a couple of one and a half ton ones.

[alexoff]

I would say that if they steal all the Patriots to Kyiv or the front end, then they can organize a daring air raid on the Beskydy tunnel. There are two of them, but there may be more than one fab.
It’s a pity that we don’t know how to carry out daring secret operations and they will first write about it somewhere in a Western magazine...

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

«American expert believes“that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be superfluous” -

- ͟Н͟͟͟а͟͟͟ш͟͟͟ ͟͟͟o͟͟͟t͟͟͟v͟͟͟e͟͟͟t͟͟͟ ͟͟͟Ч͟͟͟у͟͟͟m͟͟͟b͟͟͟u͟͟͟р͟͟͟l͟͟͟е ͟͟͟н͟͟͟у:
"Don't stick your nose where the dog hasn't put his tail"...

[Montezuma]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

“An American expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be unnecessary” -

- ͟Н͟͟͟а͟͟͟ш͟͟͟ ͟͟͟o͟͟͟t͟͟͟v͟͟͟e͟͟͟t͟͟͟ ͟͟͟Ч͟͟͟у͟͟͟m͟͟͟b͟͟͟u͟͟͟р͟͟͟l͟͟͟е ͟͟͟н͟͟͟у:
"Don't stick your nose where the dog hasn't put his tail"...

Yes, who would talk about excesses, but not the Americans. Something none of them said was that the nuclear bombs exploded over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were “excesses.” In Vietnam, settlements were burned out with napalm, Hanoi was carpet bombed, and all vegetation was poisoned with defoliants. In the Iraqi town of Fallujah, every living thing was burned with white phosphorus, without thinking about “excesses.” The teachers are f... lousy.

[Leshak]

There are no overly powerful weapons to destroy the Ukrainian Reich. Everything will be useful and everything will be applied at the right time and in the right place.

[Rusfaner]

An American expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be unnecessary (c)

Why is the “expert” so worried, he’ll kill a lot of you, and make fools of those he doesn’t kill?
But for me, the “thicker” the bomb, the easier it is for our soldiers! It would be a good idea to use up the air defense for free in order to bomb cheaper and more densely.

[Grancer81]

Here recently a Polish brigadier general slipped on a banana peel... and died...

[Grancer81]

And somewhere in the warehouses the Tsar Bomba weighs 9000 kg.

[Nexcom]

Just imagine a massive raid on the Armed Forces of Ukraine using 9 FAB-3000 UMPCs.....

[Edik]

Quote: Nexcom

Just imagine a massive raid on the Armed Forces of Ukraine using 9 FAB-3000 UMPCs.....

This ammunition is intended mainly to destroy industrial facilities, residential buildings and enemy infrastructure! It is good there.

[Dutchman Michel]

"Risky excess"

Just the thing for scallops! It won't be enough

[Arifon]

"FAB-3000 is a risky excess..."
The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a reasonable necessity.
"- Get the fuck out..." /Lavrov/

[Enceladus]

But the baby and the fat man were not overweight, I suspect

[Ivan Ivanov]

The reasoning is quite sound. We need to find a way to get around them.

[rocket757]

There will be some conclusions... later.
In the meantime, opinions, versions, criticism and various doubts...
In general, time will tell who guessed/wrong and how.

[tralflot1832]

The Yak-3 weighed less than 3 tons before the combat mission. Imagine the size of the UMPC “wings” for the FAB 3000. But the Russian evil military genius will come up with something.

[Berkut752]

tralflot1832
(Andrey S.), You are pHavy, my dHug, the RUSSIAN evil military genius, has already come up with it. Yes, the Yak-3
Wingspan total: 9,20 m, 4,6 on each side.
Wing area: 14,83 m²
Used in Afghanistan, Syria, for attacks on the Azovstal fortified area in the spring of 2022.
But now it has grown wiser, acquired planning and homing modules, which allows it to strike from a distance of 70-80 km. When it explodes, every living thing within a radius of 40 meters will die. Within another 160 meters, enemy soldiers will suffer severe contusions and bleeding from the shock wave. The fragments from the explosion will also scatter 260 meters. The FAB-3000 will leave a crater behind. Up to 15 meters deep and about 30 in diameter. Four trucks stacked on top of each other can easily fit into such a mini-pit. Tested on the test site and in real life.

[Slon_on]

If they howled, it means everything is being done correctly. One FAB-3000, minus a platoon stronghold of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

[Berkut752]

Slon_on
(Peter) IS THE PLATON BOARD? THIS IS THE WHAT A PLATOON SHOULD BE. My friend, are you “mine”?
Used in Afghanistan, Syria, for attacks on the Azovstal fortified area in the spring of 2022. By the way, it was after her that they crawled out like cockroaches from all the cracks.
But now it has grown wiser, acquired planning and homing modules, which allows it to strike from a distance of 70-80 km. When it explodes, every living thing within a radius of 40 meters will die. Within another 160 meters, enemy soldiers will suffer severe contusions and bleeding from the shock wave. The fragments from the explosion will also scatter 260 meters. The FAB-3000 will leave a crater behind. Up to 15 meters deep and about 30 in diameter. Four trucks stacked on top of each other can easily fit into such a mini-pit. Tested on the test site and in real life.

[Slon_on]

So the platoon strong point will be exactly 200x300. And after this bomb there will be no more. Where are the contradictions here?

[Ganzales]

If the Amers are whining like that, then I think it’s an effective bomb.. If the simple ones are banging and within a radius of 100 meters everyone is shell-shocked and the dugouts are flattened..
A massive blow by them and we are waiting for surrender

[Mint Gingerbread]

Maybe for super-heavy bombs it’s worth developing your own, more aerodynamic bodies. The echoes of past wars are still visible in them.

[Ganzales]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Maybe for super-heavy bombs it’s worth developing your own, more aerodynamic bodies. The echoes of past wars are still visible in them.

They will definitely work on it... First we’ll test it on Ukronatsik vehicles!!!

[ved_med12]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Maybe for super-heavy bombs it’s worth developing your own, more aerodynamic bodies. The echoes of past wars are still visible in them.

Plastic fairing “on the nose”, folding composite wings “a la” lancet...
I’m not saying it’s easy, but it can be fixed.

[Ganzales]

Quote: ved_med12

Plastic fairing “on the nose”, folding composite wings “a la” lancet...
I’m not saying it’s easy, but it can be fixed

First we’ll test it, and then the work will begin... I read somewhere that our designers, the Kulibins, literally crawl on their bellies at the front line, observing and recording parameters, etc. Several dozen military-industrial complex enterprises were reprivatized within a year. Technologies went to enemies, etc. Work in progress!!!!

[Romanenko]

The use of FAB 3000 fully meets the requirements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for the disposal of their banderlogs - bang and everyone disappeared along with the opornik.

[K-50]

“Risk excess”: An American expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be unnecessary

For some reason, she was silent about excess when she dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Although it was certainly unnecessary there, because the war was already ending.
So whose cow would moo!

[Pavlenko Valery]

It wouldn't hurt if you shut your mouth up. There are no fools in the design bureau and everything has already been checked and tested. You tell your bid she is self-propelled this.

[faterdom]

Worried about our pilots, that they will have to take risks?
How can he know the planning range? Has he seen the UMPC wings for this bimba? Where?
While the Americans themselves are working hard on the planning nuclear B-61-12, doesn’t he know that this is unreasonable?
But there will be targets, we still have a long way to push the LBS, right up to Poland and Romania, and there’s a lot of stuff on the way, bridges, tunnels, bunkers, protected airfields... the French are looming - are we going to spare the three-ton for them? No, of course, they need to stop wanting for the next 200 years.
So, in vain the expert worries, everything will be fine. If he wants, he can come to “New York” of the Donetsk Republic and see everything for himself.

[Yukpu]

So no one bothers to attach a rocket accelerator to increase the flight range. There has been talk about this for a long time.

[lynnot]

For non-brothers the best is not a pity

[Svetlana]

There is no need to pay attention to what experts believe. You need to pay attention to the mathematical and engineering calculations of the designers. After all, only they know the exact forms and numbers

[BARKAS]

So you need to take a good bomb

[Ross xnumx]

“Risk excess”: An American expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be unnecessary

Please note that the broad “Russian soul” in an emergency (at the beginning of TMB) prepared “excessive gifts” for you from 750 Kt to 2 Mt...

[Warlord]

Well, the YARS-36 monoblock can carry 8 megatons at a time. There are also 10 combat cluster units of 550 kt each, in general the assortment is not weak. Although I think that 8 megatons will not be enough even for a monoblock. For example, the first R-7 carrier that launched satellites. It was originally intended to launch nuclear missiles. That's why he scared the Americans in 1957. It could carry a monoblock up to 25 megatons of TNT. The only problem was with the rocket itself. Liquid oxygen that evaporates very quickly and needs to be replenished. And the fuel compartment itself resembled a thermos. Where the fuel was held, it also corroded the walls of the tanks. In general, the theory of liquid oxygen rockets turned out to be untenable and expensive. Even replacing it with dimethylhydrazine did not greatly alleviate the problem of disposing of rocket fuel.

[Mavrikiy]

Use of 3,3-ton ammunition is excess, considering how destructive small glide bombs are already on their own

Save it for New York, will it be just right?

[Dva parovoza]

Tell this "expert" that this is not the entire line. And when it comes to the next instance, the use of FAB-3000 will no longer seem too redundant and risky...

[Warlord]

By the way, the first FAB 5000 was dropped on the Germans in 1943. They bombed warehouses and storage facilities, and places where armored vehicles were stored. So one bomb weighing 5.5 tons hit the transfer station, where Tigers and Panthers were scattered like toys over 250-500 meters. Despite the fact that each tank weighed 47-56 tons. The Germans were then very shocked by such a bomb. But the problem was that there was not enough explosives. And they decided to make the walls of the bomb not steel, but concrete. And they added acetylene as a mixture, if I’m not mistaken. As an explosive filler, the detonator remained the same. They called this FAB-5000NG, in honor of Nison Gelperin. There was only one carrier, the Pe-8.

[digger]

I just don't understand these experts. They all scream as one that the Su-34 cannot use the Fab-3000, which weighs 3 tons. Su-34 can carry 12 tons of load. Two fab-3000 or even one easily. finish the fastenings. The most important thing is to add the UPMK to it and that’s it.

[opposite28]

As long as Russia has plenty of small FABs and enough Su-34s to carry them, the FAB-3000 should remain a curiosity - especially as a glide bomb. Using a 3,3-ton munition is a risky overkill given how destructive small glide bombs themselves already are, the expert adds.

But enchanting. By the way, saving ammunition is normal practice, plus the moral and psychological impact on the enemy, given the radius of destruction of such a product, it is convenient to demolish warehouse complexes, for example.

The FAB-3000 is too large for this aircraft, so it will be carried by the Tu-22M3 long-range bomber.

For example, the Americans dropped their GBU-43/B on the Tora Bora cave complex using a Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft. Considering the Ukrainian mental and psychological “theme”, how do Ukrainian positions differ from Afghan caves...

[16112014nk]

Bad excesses!..

© Film "Prisoner of the Caucasus"
Not good for dill with all the consequences.

[senima56]

“An American expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be unnecessary...” As M.M. said. Zhvanetsky: “It’s none of your damn business!”

[Knell wardenheart]

I can’t imagine how it will glide with more or less decent accuracy over a more or less significant range. A good idea would be to design a stealthy UAV with increased payload capacity, capable of carrying IT in an internal compartment, essentially architecturally built around this compartment. More affordable than the "Hunter", less maneuverable and fast, but with an emphasis on low speed and low ESR.
Now, if you combine a conditionally gliding product with such a UAV, then it will make sense. And without this, it’s a waste of time to bomb... But as I understand there is interest in destroying bridges, etc. - so a consumable medium is definitely needed.

[conil]

What size should this “stealth UAV” be, if at the moment the Fab-3000 can only be lifted by a strategic bomber?

[Knell wardenheart]

For the "Hunter" there is data on a combat load of 2.8-3 tons or more. The dimensions of the "Hunter" are 14 m in length and 19 m in wingspan. Weight O - 25 tons. The flight range of O is indicated as 6 thousand km - but let’s assume that it will be 5 thousand km, i.e. 2.5 in one direction and 2.5 back. The mass of the FAB-3000 is these same 3 tons.
This does not indicate that O could carry it, I am simply demonstrating these figures as approximate dimensions of a product capable of this in principle.
Next we begin to think. "O" is a multifunctional platform and, therefore, overloaded with equipment. The O itself was designed to be used in tandem with the Su-57 and, accordingly. the requirements for its design imply the possibility of execution according to the cr. at least part of the Su-57’s maneuvers, but for an outright stealth bomb carrier this is absolutely unnecessary. All this is extra weight of the product - equipment, additional strength for plane overloads and maneuvering.
A stealth bomb carrier, unlike O, should not launch missiles or actively maneuver - its task is to deliver the power supply to point A, where it will drop it and it will glide. Any detected large UAV for aviation is not a problem and will be shot down, so for “bomb carrier” tasks there is no need for a product with exclusivity. aerodynamic characteristics - this product simply must have the smallest ESR possible and have an absorbent coating - optimal contours. And based on these goals, the bomb should be inside the product, and since the bomb is large, as I already noted, the body should be designed around it, and not vice versa.
I believe that the approximate weight of the apparatus for such a task is 18-19 tons. This is a subsonic device.
The length dimensions are approximately the same - 14 m. Because the ergonomics of the engine layout for stealth aircraft is not easy to rework, and we will assume that the FAB-3000 is approximately the same length as bomb bay O.
However, I think that it would be possible to reduce the wingspan to 17 m.

These are all extremely rough estimates, since you asked for rough estimates.
P/s FAB-3000 can raise, as you put it, “only a strategist,” not because it is very good. heavy, but because smaller aircraft with it will have problems with alignment and mass distribution. A UAV in the design of which the power supply will initially appear as a central design element will not have such a drawback.
I think that it is possible to create such a product and, moreover, it will be a useful product because the current conflict has shown that adjustable bombs as weapons are very effective, but their current carriers are incredibly vulnerable to their delivery tasks.

[tank64rus]

Has he forgotten about the “father of all bombs”. So, a 3000 bomb is just right.

[Sergey Prutkov55]

These bombs will be used in the direction where the air defense will be cleared. They are designed to create panic in the enemy ranks. The more powerful the explosion, the fewer people will be left willing to resist.

[Vladimirius]

but against scrap, as they say, it’s too late to drink Borzhom

[fiv]

Don't hit our little bastard with a shovel, hit him with a broom. Otherwise it will be difficult for you to lift the shovel and you will get tired.

[Slon1978]

An aerodynamic tip can be installed on the FAB-3000, which will significantly reduce its drag. Also, if I remember correctly, it was planned to mount a small-sized taxiway on the FAB-3000, which would give it additional horizontal speed and increase the release range. Talk about the “excess” of the FAB-3000 generally seems somewhat idle and meaningless to me.

[Alexander Vorontsov]

In general, the expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb will increase the risk for its carriers due to the need to get closer to the front line. Therefore, its use will be rare. According to him, this bomb is a “risky excess” compared to the already existing line of ammunition of this type.

And this is not without logic, which leads us to think that this ammunition is being prepared not only and not so much for strengthening the “creeping offensive” and knocking out field fortifications, but with an eye to the future, perhaps not too distant - for example, an assault on Kharkov after encirclement and knocking out the next "cellar guards" holed up under the Kharkov armored plant and others like it...


As for the 3000 for the Su 34, it can 100% carry 3000 kg under its belly.
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[Grossvater]

“Risk excess”: An American expert believes that the use of the FAB-3000 aerial bomb by the Russian Aerospace Forces will be unnecessary

However, they pee!

[NetKeys]

Maybe there are reasons in the words. But our people will not fuss; they will decide what to do, especially at deep command posts where NATO “volunteers” will flock.

[spartak2014]

All bombs must be used against the enemy..

[Goloigor.]

Well, if the white sahib told the natives not to be afraid, they need to do it, and not think.

[Vlad Gor]

As a civilian, it is difficult for me to evaluate a 3-ton bomb, is it a lot or a little. It’s clearer to me based on the energy released and the damage caused by using a bomb. In my understanding, the more energy the bomb has, the higher the probability of hitting the object. There are bombs, but how to deliver them to the target? The sky over Ukraine is closed by air defense, planes are not flying. The bomb is not gliding. We don’t have planes for it or the cat cried. What the American expert said is that we have enough experts of our own, so we need to rely on them.

[Festus]

There are bombs, but how to deliver them to the target? The sky over Ukraine is closed by air defense, planes are not flying. The bomb is not gliding. We don’t have planes for it or the cat cried.

Maybe that's true today. But a production order is a decision for tomorrow.

Tomorrow the bomb still won't fly very far - but maybe the air defense has been largely neutralized, the planes are flying, but the cat is laughing?

There must be such considerations, otherwise the production order makes no sense.

[nikon voron]

We'll manage without the snivelers.

[Horn]

For your dear friend - and an earring! No regrets!

[Kapany3]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

The Ukrainian army does not need to be afraid of this air bomb

For some reason, it reminds me of similar mantras of our bosses, about “any foreign weapon for Ukraine that will become a legitimate target.” So this American reassures Ukraine that not everything is so bad.
But our joyful excitement about FABs reminds me of ukrov dancing around Bayraktars, Javellins and Leopards, as miracle weapons capable of ensuring victory. All that remains is to start calling the kids Fabs and Fabies. I hope we won’t reach such insanity and will remember that it is the soldier who wins, not the weapon.

Well, the javelin was happy, so be happy for us.

[Paragraph]

Well, what is this “risky excess”. Need to try. And then they will appreciate asking the Ukrainians.

[running Man]

And it would be even better if there were American, French, German, Polish and other assistants where they would fly.

[Nord11]

And all because you are greedy rednecks, Americans. But we don’t feel sorry for anything for our non-brothers!

[Magician Goodwin]

Russia has about 100 Tu22M3M bombers. They can easily carry 4 of these bombs. Supersonic bomber. So it will be possible to use decision-making centers in Kuyev (Bankovaya, for example)

[running Man]

Yes, the Americans are not happy. Risky. Neither archaeologists nor forensic experts will find the bunker with them later. But the 21st century is the era of creativity. If necessary, the FAB-9000 will fly to a drug den on a huge wooden glider.

[Warlord]

I will add on my own behalf, they will be listed as missing. This is the fate of those who fell under FABs 500 and above. Neither forelock nor fat remains from them

[Warlord]

What impudent self-confidence they have. They think that FAB 3000 is already too much, they haven’t seen FAB 9000 yet
True, there are few carriers for it, and it’s really overkill to use it. It looks like the limit will end at 3 tons, because there are few more such aircraft. Attracting the TU-160 means distracting it from combat duty. Which is also not good.

[running Man]

The point here is not to distract them from combat duty. Both the Tu-95MS and Tu-160 are quite usable for launching cruise missiles, but they cannot take aerial bombs into the bomb bay because there is no provision for the optional replacement of drum launchers for aerial bomb release devices. Although it was possible to do this like the Americans did on the B-52H, they did not consider it necessary. Under the USSR, the main aircraft for heavy aerial bombs were Tu-16s, which, after the collapse of the USSR, were immediately cut into scrap metal, like many other things. In addition, in the 80s, heavy free-fall bombs in the USSR were already considered an anachronism, and no one seriously planned to use them. Who would have thought that such garbage would happen: the territories of what was once the same country would fight each other, with the support of the United States and under the Jewish command, Bandera’s followers would destroy Russians not only within the Ukrainian SSR, but also in the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic in a strange war, similar to the First World War, but where the small ones flying toys will destroy tanks and everything else, and the USA, Great Britain, France and their bedding will try to repeat the Crimean War. If earlier in the USSR someone had told what would happen like this, they would have sent him to a madhouse!

[iommy]

for some reason, in all the news about the Fab-3000, photographs of the 1954 bomb are posted everywhere, but for the year 2024 it is really necessary to develop a new, more optimal for existing bombers, a more aerodynamic shape. It’s better to immediately have places for attaching the umpk.

[Ivanov IV]

The Americans did not understand that the FAB-3000 is an analogue of an aspen stake in the enemy’s grave.
And they don’t dig a grave with a stake, but drive a stake into the grave!

[Sergei Timofeich]

They calm down the lop-eared animals, this is normal before a big hunt for them...

[realing]

Well, nothing new, to a sensible comment about the quality of using such a powerful weapon, the most popular answer is: “they forgot to ask you” or “we’ll figure it out without being snotty.” And then: “oh, why are there the same mistakes again?”

[alebdun2000]

Why only Tu22 for these bombs, S70 UAV Okhotnik is on the way, it carries more than 3 tons of load, it is cheaper to lose than a strategist. Will be able to quietly penetrate deeper behind the front line

[Khokhol Polish farm laborer]

Scro Khutorolisimus will get rid of NeNki!!

[Yaroslav the Wise]

And who, besides Ax, said that three tonkas are for Ukraine!? So they prepared it for the slow-witted Europeans. Like Macaron, or Duda. Well, of course, they will first check it on Banderlogs. At the same time they will hold a demonstration for European dreamers. And our *strategists* will be able to deliver this *chubby*. Their height will allow them to do this without hindrance. In extreme cases, they will provide escort. And goodbye California!!

[89824024836]

Installation on the FAB 3000, along with the UMPC, of ​​several coaxially installed PRDs, will allow, depending on the power and number of PRDs in the assembly, to increase the range of use to at least 500 km. Why not an Iskader with a three-ton warhead.