Ukraine is part of Russia (on the 359 anniversary of the First Reunification)

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Ukraine is part of Russia (on the 359 anniversary of the First Reunification)


«Historical the people, until they put together all their parts, should be considered a political cripple, ”wrote our outstanding thinker Nikolai Yakovlevich Danilevsky in his work“ Russia and Europe ”. His words are most suited to our current situation. We are simply obliged to the roots to realize our Russian trinity, if we want to survive and increase as a people and regain our rightful place in world history. I want to devote my article to this.

We all came out of Ancient Russia, which existed until the middle of the XII century as a cultural whole. By the will of fate, by the middle of the XII century, Russia disintegrated into specific principalities, Kiev lost the right to be our capital - and the center of Russian statehood moved to the north-eastern principalities, which preserved it during the times of Tatar rule. The core of the Great Russian ethnos was formed on these lands. The territories of Western Russia, which fell under the influence of Poland and Lithuania, gave rise to new ethnic groups that emerged as peculiar marginal cultures of Orthodox Russia. Today these lands are called Belarus and Ukraine. But their original names are Belaya Rus and Malaya Rus. White - for the reason that she was released, whitewashed from paying tribute to the Horde. But I will pay the main attention below to Little Russia, especially considering its more and more important significance for the restoration of the united country. The troubles of Ukraine are largely due precisely to the fact that we lost the Russian root in its very name.

The historical name of the inhabitants of Little Russia is the Maloruses, although in relation to other countries they were always just Russians, and the “Maloruses” were used only in academic circles for intra-Russian classification. This name, on which the dissenters are offended, is by no means humiliating, but only underlines the fact that the cradle of Ancient Russia was also located on the territory of modern Ukraine. Small Russia - this name can not be offensive to anyone who considers himself part of Holy Russia. (Do residents of the Krakow region insult that the rest of the Poles call their land Little Poland, emphasizing a tribute to one of the most important centers of Polish statehood?)

The name Little Russia appears for the first time at the beginning of the XIV century in the Byzantine chronicles and was established by the XVII century as a result of awareness of both the originality of the population living on these lands and the historical connection with Great Russia (small and great designate the vastness of the territory). The territories of modern Ukraine from the end of the 12th to the beginning of the 17th century developed 1) either under the weak influence of Russia Vladimirskaya (later Moscow) and less subordination to the Horde under conditions of relative freemen, 2) or were ruled by Russia, then Poland and Lithuania. The farther to the west, the influence of Russia was weaker, and Poland - stronger. Today it is clearly seen in the geopolitical orientation of the population.

Under these conditions, on the territory of modern central Ukraine, a special dialect is formed from the Old Russian language, which, on the one hand, was influenced by Polish, but on the other, it retained not only an organic connection with the Old Russian language, but also a large number of Old Slavonic words forgotten in modern Russian . The fact that this adverb (the Ukrainian language) is the flesh of the flesh is the closest relative of the Russian language is proved by the almost complete coincidence of the syntaxes. In this sense, the Ukrainian language is unique: having its own phonetics and vocabulary, it almost by 100% coincides in structure with Russian. But the syntax is the basis of the language. Is this not proof of the unity of our diversity? Start an electronic translation from Russian into Ukrainian - and you will only have minor editorial changes. Try to do the same with English - you get a set of rambling words. And it is not surprising, since the soul of the Russian and Ukrainian languages ​​is one. This is the soul of the Russian trinity!

It is quite natural that the first mention of Ukraine refers to 1187, i.e. by the time when these lands became a southern margin in relation to northeastern Russia. It is very important. Ukraine means the outskirts - the outskirts of Russia. In the Ipatiev Chronicle 1187, it is referred to as Oukraina, denoting Pereyaslavl Principality, bordering the Polovtsian lands. The Old Slavonic letter "ou", read as "yk", gives a clue that Outskirts become Ukraine. The use of "u" could come into use for two reasons: 1) from the phrase "at the edge", meaning border lands on the edges of the Russian land, i.e. on the outskirts; 2) due to the fact that marginal lands hid Russia from the raids of foreigners. Therefore, there were a lot of Ukrainian lands in Russia, in particular, it mentioned campaigns "to Siberia and Astrakhan and to other distant Ukrainian cities" (Full. Co., The laws of the Russian Empire, 1830), and Peter I wrote in 1723. "Ukrainian service people from Sloboda Ukraine".

But due to the historical importance of the south-western Russian outlying lands, this territory was distinguished from all other Ukraine. The letter "d" changed over time to "and" - so Ukraine became Ukraine. This happened under the influence of the Poles, who shifted the emphasis on the Polish way, i.e. on the penultimate syllable. Ukraina is the Polish pronunciation of our land. In Russian, it is called Ukraine.

That is what happened in reality, I am going to prove with two arguments. The first one - in our everyday life we ​​use the words “Ukrainian” and “Ukrainian”. Is this an accident? No, the soul of the people keeps this secret - Ukraine is the outskirts of Holy Russia. The second argument is the confirmation of European languages. How to pronounce "Ukraine" in European languages? “Yukrein” - in English (Ukraine), “Yukren” - in French (Ukraine), “Ukranya” - in Spanish (Ucrania) and in Portuguese (Ucrnia), “Ukraine” - in German (Ukraine) , "Ukraine" - in Italian (Uсraina), i.e. the emphasis is everywhere on "a", of course, given the pronunciation. Let us object to anything, but is it not easier to assume the simplest: when this word came into use, the Europeans did not yet know what passions it would cause in the future, and therefore they began to pronounce it just as they had heard? "Yukreyn", "Yukren", "Ukranya", "Ukraine" - is there any more convincing evidence when the European languages ​​themselves still call our land Ukraine? Ukraine has always been the outskirts of Russia. That is how it was perceived in Europe.

And how is the word "Russia" written in the same European languages? Just like "Rus": Russia (English, Italian, port., Latin), Russie (Fr.), Rusia (Spanish), Russland (German). So, we observe the same type and completely unambiguous spelling and pronunciation. Since Russia began to be called Russia since the 16th century, having adopted the Greek name after the fall of Byzantium in 1453, the European languages ​​still keep our ancient name of Russia. The suggestion suggests itself that the Europeans perceived both these words - Russia, Ukraine exactly as they were at that time, meaning Russia and its main Ukraine.

There is one striking fact that convincingly proves that Ukraine has never had a Ukrainian state separate from the rest of Russia (the lands occupied by Poland and other countries are not counted). The fact is that in the Ukrainian language there is no word "citizen"! If you open the dictionary, then you can read there - "the bastard." But the word "bulk" means community. I.e the hulk is just a member of the community.

There is one more convincing evidence of the youth of the Ukrainian (Little Russian) ethnos, growing out of all-Russian roots. In modern Ukrainian, Russian is called “Russian language”. Pay attention: not Russian, but Russian. Why? Obviously, because when Ukrainian was formed, Russia already called Russia. Therefore, the Russian language was completely incorrectly called "Russian". Ukrainian language simply "does not remember" the name "Rus". From here we can conclude that it was formed after the XVI century, so that there can be no talk of any ancient break with the Russians. Let the Nazis dream of this; we know that the Ukrainian language as a Little Russian dialect (even VI Dal did not know any “Ukrainian language”, indicating that there are only dialects in Russia, with the exception of Little Russian and Belarusian dialects) originates only from the end of the XVIII century , and even more so as common speech. So the Ukrainian rumor became mobile.

The fact that mova is just a rumor, you speak, is justified very simply by the modern Ukrainian language itself. Just open the dictionary: “roseslanguage"Stands for colloquial speechthe verb "tomovisilence "means" untiltalkgo to "language"Translates as" ywordsnot ”(i.e. agree on something). That is, everywhere mova means the same thing - conversation, speaking, lively speech, from which a completely unambiguous conclusion follows: Ukrainian mova is Ukrainian rumor by origin, lively Little Russian folk speech that has acquired the toponymic name of Ukrainian. I emphasize: toponymic name, those. tied to the territory.

The colloquial nature of language is also clear from the fact that to this day there is no such thing as a technical Ukrainian language. All attempts to compose as many non-Russian words as possible only expose the betrayal of foreign agents who fulfill the order for the "scientific" justification of our "non-Russianness."

As a matter of fact, the modern Russian is formed only in the XVIII century, because before the XVII century there was a single old Russian language. So, the answer to the question why the Ukrainian syntax coincides with the Russian: it simply did not have time to change in a short time, especially since the influence of Poland from that time was already very limited (with the exception of Galicia, which was part of Austria-Hungary, and it is in her Russian was almost driven out of use). But I am not talking about Galicia, but about Little Russia, which has strong ties with Great Russia. Therefore, the entire Ukrainian (Little Russian) language originality lies precisely in words, and not in syntax.

After all, what is the syntax? These are ways of combining words into phrases and sentences. But in Ukrainian they completely coincide with the Russian! The only difference is that certain syntactic units of the Russian language are absent in the Ukrainian (for example, verbalization), while there are no opposite examples. The seventh, vocative, case of the Ukrainian language, which is often indicated, was simply abolished in Russian. But even now it can be easily found in pre-revolutionary texts, for example, in the canonical translation of the Bible: Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, etc. The word "God" is none other than the vocative case. It is also contained in the "zero ending" (Wan, Sing, guys, etc.).

As for punctuation, i.e. punctuation marks, then in Ukrainian it is absolutely identical to Russian. If you ever have to write something in Ukrainian, do not even think about punctuation - feel free to follow the rules of the Russian language, and you will not be mistaken.

Are there not enough such examples to understand that Russian and Ukrainian is one language! The only difference is in words or pronunciation, but even in them most of the roots have a common Old Slavic origin. But this is not so important, for the soul of the language is one. This is the soul of the Russian trinity! And the people of Russia who have been to Ukraine admit that after a few days almost everyone in Ukrainian understands. The unity of diversity is our wealth!

“As it is impossible to divide the Holy Trinity, the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, it is the One God, so Russia, Ukraine and Belarus cannot be divided. This is Holy Russia together. Know, remember and do not forget ”(Saint Lawrence of Chernigov).

It was! And so it will be!
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  1. Crescent
    -15
    7 February 2013 15: 10
    Ukraine is part of Russia! Yes, you’ve completely screwed up here, Ukraine is Russia - Kievskaya, but there wasn’t any other in history!
    1. +32
      7 February 2013 15: 32
      Here you are a double))
      - Kievan Rus
      - Vladimir Russia
      - Red Russia
      - Lithuanian Russia

      but in general all these lands were called in one word RUSSIA !!! and Ukraine, in this case, is part of Russia ... 2 more parts are included there, this is Belarus and Russia)))
      1. +3
        7 February 2013 15: 34
        Quote: Armavir
        - Vladimir Russia

        Well then, Vladimir-Suzdal.
        1. +7
          7 February 2013 15: 37
          The Principality of Vladimir-Suzdal was, not Russia hi

          Vladimir Russia is an era in the history of North-Eastern Russia, when Vladimir-on-Klyazma was its main political center. Sometimes this term is also used to refer to the direct possessions of the Grand Duchy of Vladimir and its dependent lands.

          The period of the reign of Yuri Dolgoruky begins with the strengthening of Vladimir, and one of the decisive events is the campaign of Andrei Bogolyubsky to Kiev in 1169 and the transfer of the great reign to Vladimir. The Vladimir period was replaced by the era of Muscovite Russia. The border of both eras can be considered in 1325, when the residence of Metropolitan Peter was transferred to Moscow from Vladimir.
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            -1
            7 February 2013 16: 59
            so Kievan Rus is just a term of the era when the mother of Russian cities was the capital and nothing more! hi
            1. +1
              7 February 2013 17: 42
              So, I did not state the opposite))) I explained to a friend that at that time the very words of Russia included much more than he tried to say))
              That the name Rus meets much more often than he thinks, and not just in relation to Ukraine or Kiev hi
            2. Serg_Y
              -3
              7 February 2013 18: 00
              In my opinion, Kiy (Kiev) played a key role in uniting the Rus, it was not for nothing that they began to be called Rus_Kiy, i.e. Rus from cue = Russian.
              1. +2
                7 February 2013 22: 07
                Serg_I so raises a positive mood, and you immediately minus.
        2. YARY
          +11
          7 February 2013 15: 38
          In Russian, the ancestors said, and the offspring to glue! And alright would not hurt b. So no! Uncle overseas USA-striped all damn hand pushed.

          Glue anything!
          1. +2
            7 February 2013 17: 07
            Quote: Ardent
            In Russian, the ancestors said, and the offspring to glue! And alright would not hurt b. So no! Uncle overseas USA-striped all damn hand pushed.

            Glue anything!
            She laughed to the fullest ... The ancestors not only instructed, but also glued .. Only we clicked ... But I agree .. We glue .. We have enough health ..
          2. Serg_Y
            0
            8 February 2013 08: 54
            They need to prove that money, the only unifying force, and here the Rus, with their baths, kvass and women from the forest (baba-yaga - Vaselisa is a wonderful local witch), does not fit into this system.
        3. stroporez
          +2
          7 February 2013 17: 27
          Black Russia, Transcarpathian Russia, Pure Red Russia
          1. enot555
            +2
            7 February 2013 21: 16
            guys forgot about Serbia ---- silver Russia wink
      2. +2
        7 February 2013 17: 03
        Quote: Armavir

        but in general all these lands were called in one word RUSSIA !!!
        Not only these lands, but also everything that later came into the Russian Empire ... Research may be good, the conclusion is correct, but I, as a specialist in linguistics, have little interest ... Another thing is that it’s a centuries-old history, a common history, and especially the Soviet period, they mixed us up so much that it’s practically impossible to separate Russians, Ukrainians or Belarusians ..
        This is probably why Ukrainians such as Klitschko and the like entered into Ukrainian politics ... They didn’t live practically in Ukraine, but overnight they became the most Ukrainian Ukrainians
      3. +5
        7 February 2013 17: 35
        The most western Transcarpathian Russia
        1. +4
          7 February 2013 18: 36
          Or Subcarpathian Russia.
      4. +4
        7 February 2013 17: 57
        And the name of our ancestors is Rus, and our country is Russia. It is enough to recall the words from the anthem of the USSR: “... Great Russia rallied forever”
      5. +5
        7 February 2013 20: 12
        * The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-awareness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time.

        Bismarck
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      0
      7 February 2013 16: 58
      Are you sure? and Mr. Veliky Novgorod, what do you think? Vladimir? Suzdal? Smolensk? Rostov?
      ps it's time ukroine reunite with the rest of Russia
    3. Serg_Y
      +1
      7 February 2013 17: 48
      Purgasova Rus. The Grand Ducal throne determined the general name. The concept of "federal budget" did not exist then Yes .
    4. FATEMOGAN
      +7
      7 February 2013 19: 16
      Quote: Crescent
      Ukraine is part of Russia! Yes, you’ve completely screwed up here, Ukraine is Russia - Kievskaya, but there wasn’t any other in history!

      There is an interesting article on this subject that simply and intelligibly explains that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are brothers separated by evil rock, but our time will pass, when depleted, become a single and powerful superpower.
      For example, VO "Cathedral Ukraine" defends the right of Ukrainians to be called Russian or Russian. Unity means unity, unity. If Ukrainians are the same Russians or even Russians, why don't they unite with those who are the same Russian as they are, that is, with Russia and Belarus? Look how Albanian Kosovo is already clinging to Albania, Russian in its spiritual and political content Transnistria to Russia
      But no! The Ruska preached by the “cathedrals” has nothing to do with real Russianness. This is an ideological ersatz-product for feeding the public, who is duped by pro-Western propaganda.

      So, the “cathedrals” want to see Kiev as the geopolitical and spiritual center of the Eastern Slavic peoples. By (un) random coincidence, the same thought came, but earlier, to Zbigniew Brzezinski and his colleagues. This project even received the code name “Kievan Rus-2”. Its essence is that, speculating in the historical past of Kievan Rus, to impress the Ukrainians that only they are the heirs of the ancient Russian state. The fact that from the defeated by the Mongols of Kiev the ancient Russian life moved to Moscow is declared to be a cunning historical lie invented by the »historians’. And since the direct heirs of Kievan Rus are Ukraine and Ukrainians, then real Russianness is not the one we see in Russia, but what we see in Ukraine - Bandera, Mazepovism, and fawning in front of the West. There are many arguments in support of this theory: both the fact that modern Poles, by the word “Russian” (ruski), mean the ancient population of Western Ukraine, and that many figures of ancient Ukrainian culture considered themselves “Russians”.
      But there was no ancient Ukrainian culture (Ukrainians as a nation officially appeared after 1917), there was an old Russian culture. It was in her bosom that the ancestors of modern Ukrainians were found, and therefore considered themselves to be “Ruska”, and therefore the Poles called them the same
      Following his strategic patterns, these fighters for a new “Russianness” want the creation of a confederation of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, Poland, Moldova, Hungary, Romania and a number of countries in order to prevent Russia from accessing the Black and Baltic Seas.
      Kievan Rus-2 is not a return to its origins (let the name not mislead us), but a separation from our origins, and withdrawal into the gray zone of the geopolitical influence of the West, abandonment of geopolitical subjectivity and humble readiness to follow in the wake of American politics
      The situation is the same with Ukraine, on the desirability of which all foreign strategists who fought with the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, and, therefore, with Little Russia / the Ukrainian SSR, from Napoleon and Pilsudsky to Hitler and Reagan, insisted.
      full version of the article - http://odnarodyna.com.ua/node/11750
    5. 0
      7 February 2013 21: 05
      Quote: Crescent
      Ukraine is Russia - Kiev, and more in the history of the other was not!

      Uhhh ?????! recourse But!
  2. +2
    7 February 2013 15: 21
    Right now, guys from Ukraine will come, and the war of worlds will begin ...
    1. MG42
      +15
      7 February 2013 16: 00
      The guys from Ukraine also have different views.
    2. Kaa
      +28
      7 February 2013 16: 10
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      Right now, guys from Ukraine will come, and the war of worlds will begin.

      Well, I have come, but I have come in peace.
      "When it comes to ideology pan-Slavism, so popular in the XNUMXth century, Western propaganda immediately includes the familiar disc that this is all a product of Moscow propaganda, hiding far-reaching goals. In Central Europe in those years, Pan-Slavist ideas were unusually popular and among the first Pan-Slavists we find a lot Slovak and Czech distinguished names - Lyudevit Shtur, Pavel Shafarik, Joseph Dobrovsky. Even the author of the anthem of the pan-Slav movement “Gay, Slavs!” there was a Slovak - Samuel Tomashik. From the very beginning, in Pan-Slavism there were two poles of gravity, completely different from the civilizational point of view - Austria and Russia. Representatives of Polish pan-Slavism were drawn to the Austrians, excluding any possibility of friendship with the Russians. They believed that Poland should serve as the center of unity of all Slavs, and the key to the success of such plans was the restoration of great Poland within the former borders of 1772.Now, instead of Vienna, the vast majority of Slavic states are oriented toward Washington with the same goal - to prevent the most powerful Slavic power, i.e. Russia, act as the consolidating core of the Slavic world. Austroslavism replaced by Americanoslavism. Ukraine deserves a separate discussion, as Republic No. 2 in the East Slavic triad of the Soviet Union. Kiev, sadly, stubbornly refuses to recall its own history and its Russian roots. Ukraine was originally conceived as an anti-Russian and even anti-Slavic project, beneficial exclusively to the West. The ideology of Ukraine, as a state-forming worldview platform, put into the forefront in the republic, is a dummy stuffed with all sorts of historical rubbish - from the image of Mazepa and Bandera to the more sleek version of "cultural Ukraine" in the form of modern Ukrainian politicians, fawning on the frankly pro-fascist electorate of the West -Ukrainian regions. In Ukraine there is no place for our common heroes. Ukraine has its own pantheon, consisting of dubious personalities who clumsily draped themselves in the vestments of scientific and patriotic, but reduced Ukraine to the role of a political object. The lame ideology of Ukraine was very useful here, because Ukraine is not the author of the original geopolitical theories, and prefers to use foreign “blanks” Geopolitics of Ukraine - an imported product, an “intellectual duplicate” of Western geopolitics, primarily Polish (Jozef Pilsudski, Juliusz Meroszewski, Wlodzimierz Bonczkowski). Among the developers of the geopolitical theories of Ukraine were ethnic Poles - M. Kolodzinsky, N. Sciborsky. The analytical centers and political bodies of the Ukrainian geopolitics were located abroad - the Y. Lipa Black Sea Institute was located in Warsaw, D. Dontsov's Union for the Liberation of Ukraine - in Vienna. In addition, the geopolitics of Ukraine is teeming with conceptual contradictions. On the one hand, Ukraine declares a campaign against imperial Russia. On the other hand, he calls for the construction of his empire, “from Xiang to the Caucasus.” The geopolitics of Ukraine mentally rely on Western culture and the Western logic of the relationship between man and space, It is a broadcast of Western sociology of space on the lands of Ukraine.
      1. Kaa
        +21
        7 February 2013 16: 11
        The West, represented by the United States, as the only superpower, is “gathering” an increasing number of countries into its “piggy bank”, including in the territory of the former USSR - Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Ukraine. The “quality” of these countries is not a question: at the state level, fascism, ultranationalism and racial intolerance are glorified in some of these countries. In a sociological section, the geopolitics of Ukraine expresses the opinions of a maximum of 15% of the population (Western Ukraine) versus the remaining 85% (center and southeast of the country). Geopolitics of Ukraine is the antithesis of Eurasianism and continentalism. An extremely short ideological distance lies between the Ukrainian idea and pro-Nazi views. The strictly “Ukrainian” format of thinking, wherever the carrier of this format lived - in Western Ukraine or in another region of the country, implies at least a partial justification of collaboration and confrontation with the Red Army during the Second World War.For reasons of political correctness, the official Ukrainians of Kiev, which is only a softened and sleek version of Ukrainian otherness, from which the racist elements were removed, but left them as a “secret weapon” for grassroots use, are not criticized. Therefore, always in the position of the attacker is passionate Ukrainian nationalism. The Russian idea is always on the defensive. We conclude that Ukrainians are the most harmful ideological injection of American Orthodoxy into the body of the Russian world.http: //alternathistory.org.ua/ukrainstvo-naibolee-vredonosnaya-ideologiches
        kaya-inektsiya-amerikanoslavizma-v-telo-russkogo-mira
        1. +6
          7 February 2013 16: 16
          Thank you dear Kaa hi, nothing more to add!
          The Cold War was before the Fulton speech, and unfortunately it will be a long time, enough for our century and for the age of our children ... and that’s all - power and division ...
          1. +5
            7 February 2013 21: 25
            The second page is only to show how the Cossacks titled the king. He himself in the recipient of the Charter also titled himself.

            Read the sources, not the casuistry of modern Jesuits.
        2. Yoshkin Kot
          +6
          7 February 2013 17: 01
          give five brother! eh all would be Russian in Ukraine, were also wise
        3. +5
          7 February 2013 21: 20
          With all due respect to a comrade from Donetsk who tried to write the right article. Still, you need to know the material better. For example, about couple applications of the word "outskirts" in the Ipatiev Chronicle. They are used there only in the sense of the outskirts and absolutely nothing else. Neither ethnic meaning, nor territorial, nor in relation to any principality, since there "their Galician outskirts" are also present. It just needs to be read.

          Something is wrong with the numbers. The year 1453 is not the 16th century, but only the 15th. But in the 16th century, Russia was called Russia. And even at 17m. Here are a couple of pages from the Complete Collection of Laws of the Russian Empire, published in the early 19th century. There are not only laws, letters, etc., but also the correspondence of the kings, incl. letters, etc. to them. Great Russia, Little Russia. Cossacks call themselves Russian.

          The topic is quite tolerably disclosed by N.I. Kostomarov in "How long ago Little Russia began to be written by Little Russia, and Russia by Russia" Zemsky Cathedrals, "Charlie", M. 1995, p. 448-455
          Kostomarov, although the head of a secret society (Shevchenko Kobzar, Bodyansky, etc.), is by now a Ukrainian (then it was called South Russian or Little Russian) nationalist and separatist, but as a scientist, he nevertheless simultaneously exposes the then zealous Svidomo, finding out "documents "with the word" Ukraine ". The very presence of this word Kostomarov considered a sign of falsification.

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        4. Warrawar
          +2
          8 February 2013 00: 10
          I’m always saying what Kaa said, they just don’t believe me.
      2. YARY
        +3
        7 February 2013 18: 51
        Good evening Snake-headed Kaa!

        The West, represented by the United States, as the only superpower, is “gathering” an increasing number of countries into its “piggy bank”, including in the territory of the former USSR


        It does not collect but steals, not into a piggy bank but into slavery, but I am a thief zae I love to death!
        1. Kaa
          +2
          8 February 2013 05: 16
          Quote: Ardent
          YARY
          Do we need all kinds of gray mongooses ... Size: body length with head 39-47 cm, tail length 28-40 cm. Weight: 1,4-2,2 kg The most disgusting thing is that they, like hamsters, When meeting with the animals defend themselves by predators, releasing a strongly-smelling substance from odorous anal glands. In general, in a word, this is the most nasty thing in working with them stop
          We go to such game, it will be more interesting wink
      3. 0
        7 February 2013 21: 09
        With all due respect to a comrade from Donetsk who tried to write the right article. Still, you need to know the material better. For example, about couple applications of the word "outskirts" in the Ipatiev Chronicle. They are used there only in the sense of the outskirts and absolutely nothing else. Neither ethnic meaning, nor territorial, nor in relation to any principality, since there "their Galician outskirts" are also present. It just needs to be read.

        Something is wrong with the numbers. The year 1453 is not the 16th century, but only the 15th. But in the 16th century, Russia was called Russia. And even at 17m. Here are a couple of pages from the Complete Collection of Laws of the Russian Empire, published in the early 19th century. There are not only laws, letters, etc., but also the correspondence of the kings, incl. letters, etc. to them.
        Great Russia, Little Russia. Cossacks call themselves Russian.
        The topic is quite tolerably disclosed by N.I. Kostomarov in "How long ago Little Russia began to be written by Little Russia, and Russia by Russia" Zemsky Cathedrals, "Charlie", M. 1995, p. 448-455
        Kostomarov, although the head of a secret society (Shevchenko Kobzar, Bodyansky, etc.), is by now a Ukrainian (then it was called South Russian or Little Russian) nationalist and separatist, but as a scientist, he nevertheless simultaneously exposes the then zealous Svidomo, finding out "documents "with the word" Ukraine ". The very presence of this word Kostomarov considered a sign of falsification.

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    3. biglow
      +6
      7 February 2013 16: 14
      kotdavin4i,
      other views of the Nazis from Galicia or Galicia
      1. +3
        7 February 2013 17: 12
        Quote: biglow
        other views of the Nazis from Galicia or Galicia
        We reproach the Westerners that they are not Slavs ... Guys, but the western part of Ukraine is really monsieur, Polish-Romanian ... Therefore, there is confusion among Ukrainians that some protrude Russian at the genetic level, others Polish ... How to solve this problem , it is not yet known .. it is impossible to tear Ukraine to pieces in any case
        1. 111a29
          0
          7 February 2013 22: 24
          Well, then do not solve this problem
    4. +5
      7 February 2013 17: 08
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      Right now, guys from Ukraine will come, and the war of worlds will begin ...
      Nothing will start ... Young animals are very quickly blown away due to lack of knowledge .. And adults understand that the author is right ...
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        7 February 2013 20: 08
        Yes, the Poles are also Slavs, only their trouble is that before the discovery of America and the mass exodus of Jews to the New World, the territory of modern Poland and western Ukraine were centers of Jewish residence. Apparently, in order to exterminate the spirit of Slavism and convert to Catholicism, they had gone there the previous time, when Catholic Europe tried to drive Orthodoxy out of eastern Europe. as a result, the Slavs were driven out from Germany right up to western Ukraine. and in Poland they had a brainwash
  3. +7
    7 February 2013 15: 30
    Well schA rush .......................



    GUYS! LET'S LIVE IN PEACE!
  4. 111a27
    +1
    7 February 2013 15: 33
    Ukraine posuti as Czechoslovakia or Austria-Hungary sleblina from two states. Therefore, the article is valid for eastern Ukraine
  5. Polymer
    -16
    7 February 2013 15: 42
    Even I already read this somewhere ... word for word, but on the topic .. if earlier (a couple of years ago) I was categorically for the unification, now I am violet. Everything suits me in my country, and if it didn’t suit me, I would have already dumped .... and far from the fact that I’m in Russia ....
    1. +19
      7 February 2013 15: 52
      Quote: Polymer
      and if it didn’t suit, then he would have already dumped it.

      Your "patriotism" has no boundaries, where the homeland is good, well, well
      1. Polymer
        -8
        7 February 2013 16: 40
        Do not scare me with my homeland ... there is enough patriotism in me, and therefore I do not want any unification ...
        1. +7
          7 February 2013 16: 45
          Quote: Polymer
          Do not scare me homeland

          Judging by what you wrote above ...Everything suits me in my country, and if it didn’t suit me, I would have already dumped it. I do not scare you hi
          Quote: Polymer
          and therefore all the more I do not want any unification.

          Thank God that your opinion is not the only and not the main thing hi
          1. Crescent
            -14
            7 February 2013 17: 21
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Thank God that your opinion is not the only and not the main thing
            Listen friend. Don't you think your opinion is wrong? I also wish good to my people and do not want him to unite with Russia! And then you feed your soldiers worms, but canned dog food ... A rich country, what to say!
            1. MG42
              +4
              7 February 2013 17: 28
              Quote: Crescent
              I also wish good to my people and do not want him to unite with Russia! And then you feed your soldiers worms, but canned dog food ... A rich country, what to say!

              What flag are you writing under? You are Ukrainian a warden in Russia?
              1. 0
                8 February 2013 09: 40
                Quote: MG42
                What flag are you writing under? You are Ukrainian a warden in Russia?

                No, Crescent
            2. +7
              7 February 2013 17: 38
              Quote: Crescent
              Don't you think your opinion is wrong?

              My opinion is the majority opinion !!!
              Quote: Crescent
              I also wish good to my people and do not want him to unite with Russia

              I’m talking about the economic consequences for Ukraine, even if I didn’t join the EU, I won’t repeat myself. But the damage will be very serious. Do you want such benefits?
              Quote: Crescent
              And then you feed your soldiers worms, but canned dog food ... A rich country, what to say!

              There are thieves and fools in the country, but with regard to wealth, well, as if there is money, and not a little hi
              1. Crescent
                -7
                7 February 2013 19: 28
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                My opinion is the majority opinion !!!
                Oh you, as you know the majority - this is a herd! Just do not imagine yourself a shepherd, a shepherd in Russia, Putin!

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                There are thieves and fools in the country, but with regard to wealth, well, as if there is money, and not a little
                Not with you, and not with me, but those who have it, so they ruined the army, and calmly otmazatsya so. If memory serves you, you went through a war or served in the elite troops, do you want defense ministers like Serdyukov for your country? Education ministers like Fursenko? Why do you want this for Ukraine?

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                But the damage will be very serious
                Let them decide for themselves, without the opinion of an unknown, alien majority.
            3. 0
              7 February 2013 19: 28
              And then you feed your soldiers with worms, but canned dog food ...
              Crescent,
              The kid blurted out to his friends and it came to his mother, and she turned out to be friends with the Internet and went, she went ... Farted in the crowd and stink .... You need to think with your own head and it’s time to be able to filter the market!
          2. Polymer
            -7
            7 February 2013 17: 30
            no ... don't be intimidated ....

            as a word, and your ....
          3. +2
            8 February 2013 09: 37
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Thank God that your opinion is not the only and not the main thing

            The polymer is a victim of the propaganda of "universal values", he doesn't care what happens to the land of his ancestors, if only he was comfortable. So his words are not an opinion, they are a way of life. The worst thing is that there are more and more of them.
      2. phantom359
        0
        8 February 2013 02: 27
        Alexander Romanov, It is clearly written - polymer.
    2. MG42
      +11
      7 February 2013 15: 58
      Quote: Polymer
      Everything suits me in my country

      The country is especially corrupt courts, telephone law, bandits rule. belay And it suits you, apparently you have not encountered Ukrainian. justice, you live in your online world as in your avatar and well.
      The country is in debt and there is no "life lost" as Yanukovych promised.
      The negative foreign trade balance of Ukraine in January-September 2012 amounted to $ 6,473 billion, which is 62,5% more than in the first nine months of 2011 ($ 3,983 billion), the State Statistics Service said.
      The budget of the army is $ 2 billion for chickens to laugh.
      1. Kaa
        +5
        7 February 2013 16: 24
        Quote: MG42
        The country is in debt and there is no "life lost" as Yanukovych promised.

        the average salary in the construction industry according to Derzhstat in 2011 amounted to 2251 UAH. In Russia, a similar indicator is 31453 rubles. For neighbors, the industry average exceeded the monetary allowance of ordinary hard workers at a construction site 1,13 times. Accordingly, the Ukrainian indicator was also reduced by this coefficient - up to UAH 1992, and then converted to dollars. Air transport: Ukrainian average salary ratio - 8742 UAH. Wow! But applying the Russian coefficient of 1,54, I got a much more modest result - 5676 UAH, which, without fear and reproach, was converted into cu - $ 710. Recalculation into world currency was carried out in strict accordance with the average weighted rate on the currency interbank in 2011: 1 $ = 27,3 rubles; 1 $ = 7,99 UAH. If in Russia the average salary in dollar terms is about 2,6 times higher than in Ukraine, then in order to keep up it is necessary to exceed the growth rate of the Russian salary by the same amount. For example, if in a year’s erosion the salary increased from $ 1000 to $ 1100 (by 10%), then in Ukraine, in order to have a similar increase of $ 100 from a salary of $ 384 (2,6 times less), the State Statistics Service should show a growth of 26%. You must admit that such a rise can only be portrayed in certain election months. All this is very unfortunate. After all, "independence" began with a heartbreaking yell: "Hto ziv my fat!". The world seems unfair when you realize that in Russia they live more prosperous. Oh, it’s better not to count in dollars, but only in the national “tugriks”, it will be calmer.

        The rapprochement of salaries will not be for another prosaic reason. In the power-bearing industry of metallurgy, neither Rinat Leonidovich, nor his colleagues-volunteers of metal plants can, in principle, equalize the salaries of their slaves with the salaries of the mob Prokhorov-Kurshavelsky and Deripaska (or someone there is blasting them out), because in this case they will become exemplary uncompetitive. In relation to Russian producers, our slabs on average yield only about $ 10–20 / t. Here and think what’s best for the owners of Ukraine: to compete in world markets and further, increasing offshore capital, and throwing a certain amount of currency to the country or going bankrupt, recklessly deciding to pursue Russian earnings and add to the chains of the proletariat a surcharge for shock capitalist labor. And so for all Ukrainian manufacturers who export products. “We have an average salary in the industry in general of approximately 4,2 thousand hryvnias, and in metallurgy - 4,6 - 4,7 thousand. This is a bit, given that a person works in difficult and harmful conditions. If you compare with the Polish metallurgist, it is 8-10 times less, and with the German one 20 times less, ”said Alexander Ryabko, deputy chairman of the Central Committee of the Union of Metallurgists and Miners of Ukraine, at a press conference in Ukrinform dedicated to World Day in early October. action for decent work.
        According to the General Statistics Office of Poland, the average salary in the enterprise sector in 2001 increased to $ 1150.
        The minimum monthly salary in the country that employers are required to pay employees since 2012 is 1,5 thousand zlotys ($ 465). In Ukraine, the “minimal”, it’s a shame to even voice it, is $ 130.
        The average salary of a Polish teacher in 2011 was $ 770. In Ukraine, in the field of education, an average of $ 260, and ordinary teachers who do not have much work experience of $ 145. According to the Polish publication GazetaDziennikPrawna, the average salary in Poland (about 800 euros) is one of the lowest among EU countries. Only citizens of Latvia (690 euros), Lithuania (650 euros), Romania (600 euros) and Bulgaria (400 euros) earn less. And in order to catch up with EU countries, they need 65 years. Http://from-ua.com/eco/25f3a873bf2f8.html
        1. MG42
          +6
          7 February 2013 16: 37
          We predict that in 2013 trends may repeat when the employer was forced to reduce working hours, salaries, send staff on vacation at his own expenseas it was in 2008. And this may affect, first of all, those industries for whose products the demand will decrease. This is mechanical engineering, the chemical industry, "Betliy explained. In turn, the director of the Kiev regional employment center Vasily Yakobinchuk noted that the labor market is inert.

          "If there are no markets, then it is logical that people will quit... Then a repetition of the 2008 situation is possible. However, at the moment, we do not see such extremely negative prerequisites for a significant increase in unemployment in 2013, "the expert explained. Unfortunately, in his opinion, the dynamics is such that the number of vacancies submitted by employers this year is lower than in 2011.

          http://ubr.ua/labor-market/ukrainian-labor-market/bezrabotica-v-sleduushem-godu-

          v-ukraine-ne-uvelichitsia-177574
        2. Crescent
          -6
          7 February 2013 17: 22
          Quote: Kaa
          In Russia, a similar indicator is 31453 rubles.
          Kaa, God be your judge, what the hell is the salary of 31 thousand? What are you talking about?!!! Read the pedros and there ...
          1. Kaa
            +1
            7 February 2013 17: 51
            Quote: Crescent
            God is your judge

            God judges everyone until this happens, go to the address http://www.obzorzarplat.ru/services/zp/ - who else to believe (well, perhaps, to your relatives in Russia)
            1. Crescent
              +2
              7 February 2013 19: 32
              The average salary in Russia is when 1 person gets 2 million, and 100 others get 8000 rubles each. Then, on average, they all get 27000 rubles each. And now, in simple terms: - Petya has 10 apples, and Vasya has 0. On average, both have 5 apples. - Officials eat meat, I - cabbage. On average, we eat cabbage rolls. - The wife of the director of the collective farm Glasha sleeps with everyone, and the milkmaid Masha does not give anyone, but on average they both ..... So we live ......))))
      2. Polymer
        -3
        7 February 2013 17: 13
        Listen to you .... Did "Berkut" ever put you up to the wall? or did you come across patrols that stop cars? And they put me up and came across me and there is no need to talk about telephones and other nonsense here, but I know about the courts firsthand and know the executive services, so tell this to the students ...

        A country is in debt ... it’s not even funny - in the shadow of 70-75 percent of the economy, but you tell how poor unfortunate entrepreneurs pay off government debts that arose after these same entrepreneurs fired massive numbers of people ... Nobody has such a fiscal policy will not pay anything. Initially, the PR idea was interesting - to develop regions separately on a competitive basis, how banks develop - those who “created” the most will receive a tasty portion of the budget, and those who have not managed the minimum, plus organize a subsidy fund for “spa residents "... but it was smooth on paper ...

        Now for the balance - well, yes, 6 million dollars, so what? Well, the country buys for this amount more than goods abroad than it sells ... The IMF recommends maintaining a positive balance in order for the credit history of the state to be based on real production, to import more because the quality of goods produced in our country leaves much to be desired. In Europe, we don’t pass by standards, and Russia doesn’t need our cheeses or anything else ... in short, this is not an indicator of the state or well-being of the country and economy, it is an indicator of the ratio of imports to exports, according dividing an output not do.

        Well, what about the army - in fact, it doesn’t exist and the means are aimed at supporting what is, but a lot or a little for our country is a rhetorical question, depending on what tasks to set ...

        And the last here are people like you, who write that they live poorly, personally enrage me .... are you hungry? is the first generation computer worth it? Do you live in the barracks? here in Syria it’s bad, in Afghanistan it’s not good, in North Korea there’s an asshole ... and in the country I have a debt and I live poorly… here’s how much I live all the time I see the same picture - the one who honestly (works for himself , uncle, government) he does not complain about life, and he who only discusses whether there will be a revolution in China or not blames all his troubles on the president, kirsis, balance ....
        1. MG42
          +8
          7 February 2013 17: 42
          Quote: Polymer
          Did "Berkut" ever put you up against the wall? And they put me and came across

          You apparently enjoyed it, since everything suits you.
          Quote: Polymer
          I know firsthand about the courts and I’m familiar with executive services

          So what? things are good?
          Quote: Polymer
          The country is in debt ... it's not even funny

          15 billion dollars are asked from the IMF, from a good life = full surplus.
          Quote: Polymer
          Now for the balance - well, yes, 6 million dollars, so what? Well, the country buys for this amount more than the goods abroad than it sells.

          no comment = dull like in a tank. And the fact that the NBU gold reserves are rapidly decreasing, which will ultimately lead to the instability of the hryvnia and a decrease in its rate against other currencies.
          Quote: Polymer
          Well, what about the army - it’s essentially not

          All finances go to the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          Quote: Polymer
          And the last ones like you, who write that they live poorly, personally enrage me

          Where did I write this? How I live is my personal affair, but like you need to inject a rabies vaccine.
          1. Polymer
            -11
            7 February 2013 18: 01
            May God grant you such pleasure and more often ....

            "..GFR of the NBU is rapidly decreasing .." brrrr ... unit
            Everything suits me - and you have "The country is corrupt especially the courts, telephone law, bandits rule.
            The country is in debt and there is no "life lost" as Yanukovych promised.
            Negative foreign trade balance of Ukraine, Army budget "inject yourself with some vitamins ... will not hurt.
            1. MG42
              +7
              7 February 2013 18: 05
              Quote: Polymer
              brrrr ... u

              Yes, it seems that the rabies vaccine will not help, everything is too neglected.
              1. Polymer
                -4
                7 February 2013 18: 19
                Well, so nonsense ... where does the gold reserves? the burden on social programs - yes, on industrialists - yes again, the IMF makes such conditions, and so that the money is returned to him and for this the government takes measures that are unpopular in advance in the form of increasing taxes or reducing subsidies, so what does the gold reserves have to do with it? Explain to me the patient according to your words rabid financier ...
                1. MG42
                  +4
                  7 February 2013 18: 29
                  Quote: Polymer
                  where does the gold reserves?

                  And then = when there is a currency shortage on the interbank market who compensates and from which sources, only the NBU and gold reserves are reduced, negative trade balance = this means that Ukraine consumes more than it produces. What is unclear here?
                  And remember, Troll, you can’t be a specialist in general wink
                  1. Polymer
                    -1
                    7 February 2013 19: 00
                    What are you talking about? (to the account of a wide profile) ... no, it’s not clear to me ... a negative trade balance means that Ukraine sells abroad more than it gets from there .... and when a country consumes more than it produces a deficit, a loss ... .measure is GDP, national income, but here's how to find out how much a country consumes ... tell me the measure of consumption of the country, the measure of production is clear, and consumption?
                    1. MG42
                      +4
                      7 February 2013 19: 23
                      This means = that the inflow of currency into the country is less than the outflow if NAK Neftegaz is a loss-making company (by the way, a rare occurrence winked ), then who compensates for its losses?
                      According to current data, in November 2012, the gold and currency reserves of the National Bank of Ukraine decreased by 5,5%, or by $ 1,46182 billion, the regulator said.

                      Thus, as of November 30, Ukraine’s reserves decreased to $ 25,35511 billion.

                      http://korrespondent.net/business/financial/1434927-tayut-na-glazah-v-noyabre-re
                      zervy-nbu-sokratilis-eshche-na-146-mlrd
                      1. Polymer
                        -2
                        7 February 2013 19: 47
                        Well, yes ... now I’ve figured out the essence of the matter, it would have been possible to simply explain the situation without running over ... the complete mentality ... all the same, due to loans of gold reserves it does not decrease ... and

                        anyway, most of them will hide that part of their income on which privileges were laid, which are now removed by the loan repayment program ....

                        by the way...
                        International financial organizations indicate that in the near future Ukraine will be able to keep gold reserves at the same level only thanks to new external borrowings. Otherwise, Kiev will have to spend gold and foreign currency reserves to pay for Russian gas (about $ 1 billion a month) and pay off debts to the IMF.
                        http://www.rbc.ua/rus/top/show/zvr-ukrainy-v-yanvare-vyrosli-na-0-4--07022013102
                        500
                      2. MG42
                        +3
                        7 February 2013 20: 02
                        Quote: Polymer
                        Well, yes ... now I figured out the essence of the matter

                        Well really?
                        Quote: Polymer
                        it would be possible to explain the situation even without arrivals

                        So this is you nice man started =
                        Quote: Polymer
                        And the last here are people like you, who write that they live poorly, personally enrage me .... are you hungry?

                        Quote: Polymer
                        anyway, due to loans, gold reserves does not decrease ..

                        If you do not believe the statistics of the NBU, then we have nothing to talk about. hi
                  2. Polymer
                    -4
                    7 February 2013 19: 25
                    It remains to be added just so that the demand on the interbank market is constantly satisfied, a loan was taken from the same IMF to replenish the reserve for the developed strategy .... there are only specialists around, there is nowhere to spit .....
                    1. MG42
                      +4
                      7 February 2013 19: 39
                      What kind of loan? laughing The IMF does not give money, but in order to pay off Gazprom, for example, a loan was taken from the Russian VTB.
                      http://www.me-press.kiev.ua/eksperty-kredity-neftegaza-ukrainy-u-rossijskogo-vtb
                      -svidetelstvuet-o-neprozrachnom-finansovoe-sostoyanie /
                      Quote: Polymer
                      there are only specialists around, there’s nowhere to spit

                      This is certainly a person with such an avatar from Zaporozhye, I think I do not understand who I'm talking to.
                      1. Polymer
                        -2
                        7 February 2013 20: 05
                        Listen, I’ve not been engaged in finances for three years now and therefore I am not up to date, but the balance is really not an indicator of the country's prosperity, and where does the avatar and place of residence? I was interested in sorting it out, and most likely I was just wrong, but I ran into the usual busbar in our country ...
                      2. MG42
                        +3
                        7 February 2013 20: 27
                        Quote: Polymer
                        Listen, I’m not engaged in finances for three years now and therefore I’m not up to date

                        You said = that the financier.
                        Quote: Polymer
                        but the balance is really not an indicator of the country's well-being

                        Oh tired I, you didn’t understand anything sad
                        Quote: Polymer
                        most likely I was just wrong but ran into

                        To admit a mistake = in principle, not everything is so hopeless. Have a rest.
          2. -2
            8 February 2013 09: 51
            Quote: MG42
            Where did I write this? How I live is my personal affair, but like you need to inject a rabies vaccine.

            There is no vaccine for such, only euthanasia!
        2. +4
          7 February 2013 17: 45
          Well, God forbid, compare with Syria and Afghanistan.
          1. Polymer
            -3
            7 February 2013 18: 03
            Well, so far it’s not there, I believe that everything is fine in the country and there are problems everywhere and will be regardless of who you are or who is with you ....
        3. Don
          +3
          7 February 2013 18: 27
          Quote: Polymer
          The country is in debt ... it's not even funny - in the shadow of 70-75 percent of the economy

          I think you are overreaching. 50-60% no more.
          Quote: Polymer
          pay off the debts of the government that arose after these same entrepreneurs fired people en masse ... With such a fiscal policy, no one will pay anything.

          I agree with you.
          Quote: Polymer
          Initially, the PR idea was interesting - to develop regions separately on a competitive basis, how banks develop - those who “created” the most will receive a tasty portion of the budget, and those who have not completed the minimum, plus organize a subsidy fund for “spa residents "... but it was smooth on paper ...

          The idea, I’ll tell you, was even a wonderful one, the question was who disrupted its implementation.
          Quote: Polymer
          import steel more

          What does it mean to import when we export steel on the contrary. Instead of buying from your manufacturer, purchasing from a foreign one?
          Quote: Polymer
          in short, this is not an indicator of the state or well-being of the country and economy,

          In principle, this is not an indicator, but surplus states are usually economically prosperous.
          1. Polymer
            +1
            7 February 2013 18: 40
            imports prevail over exports and the country buys more than it sells ... in total, they import more steel and sell less, this does not apply to steel ... but cars ....

            .... that’s what concerns the disruption of the idea, however paradoxical it may be, the shadow of those who invented it is visible, although we always knew how to put sticks in wheels exquisitely ... a country of paradoxes ... although so much is mixed in politics, that this issue is no longer relevant, except in the framework of summarizing the work and comparing it with promises,

            The actual question for today, like 20 years, has been calling - where are we going? East or West. You need to make a decision and move, and not like that b ### either to one or to another, and here you need either an exact plan or a bold leader ...
            1. 0
              8 February 2013 10: 02
              Quote: Polymer
              The actual question for today, like 20 years, has been calling - where are we going? East or West. You need to make a decision and move, and not like that b ### either to one or to another, and here you need either an exact plan or a bold leader ...

              Is the question relevant to you? We are interested in the West only as slaves.
    3. Kaa
      +6
      7 February 2013 16: 18
      Quote: Polymer
      then I would have fallen .... and far from the fact that in Russia.

      The promised land beckons - so they shoot. Toleralistic Geyropa - are you ready to make pots from under the weak old men? US - 8 dollars per hour for washing dishes? Flag in hand ...
      1. Polymer
        -2
        7 February 2013 17: 25
        Maybe for whom it is promised, for me personally it is a stranger. In order to argue in this vein, you should have an appropriate life experience, which, judging by what you wrote, does not have, but because about pots it's all a canoe, 350-450 euros per month is a social program and live at least under the bridge without cleaning anyone, so In short, many Germans (not emigrants) live in the USA ... there is no problem with money, all my friends who work there for low salaries do not complain, despite the fact that in 10 hours of work 640 UAH a day in Ukraine is not so a lot of people (12800 per month .... deputy chiefs of production of large metallurgical x giants .... and avtomoschik) despite the fact that prices for food below our on equipment such as, without such taxes are from 0 to 10 percent .... depending on the state
        1. Don
          +1
          7 February 2013 18: 34
          Quote: Polymer
          that for 10 hours of work 640 UAH per day in Ukraine, not so many people earn

          Invalid comparison. You are not in UAH. translate, and compare prices. $ 8 per hour is considered a small salary in the USA. Normal is $ 20 per hour.
          Quote: Polymer
          there is no problem in money, all my friends who work there for low salaries do not complain,

          Well, they already moved there, where they should complain.
          Quote: Polymer
          12800 per month .... deputy chiefs of production of large metallurgical giants

          Joke. The shop manager is from 12000 to 20000, and the deputy production manager must certainly get more. In Donetsk, on a number of construction sites, foremen from 10000 to 18000 receive it.
          1. Polymer
            -3
            7 February 2013 19: 07
            not ... really it is, when I came to work at the plant (Zaporozhye "Motor Sich") the head of the workshop had 5000 salary, then I received 1300 as an engineer, my patriotism was enough for six months)))) and my acquaintance deputy chief for production at a large enterprise 15 has ....))

            Well, that's me ... compared green with sweet))
        2. Kaa
          +5
          7 February 2013 20: 47
          Quote: Polymer
          In order to reason in this vein, you should have the appropriate life experience, which you judging by what you wrote does not have,

          Dear Polymer, you are partially right about life experience, for the past ten years, due to some circumstances, I have not been going abroad, BUT.
          1) I recently visited the site, about six months ago, and during that time no one reproached me for writing about things that I have no idea about.
          2) I have many acquaintances and friends in Germany, the USA, Israel, some Middle Eastern countries who are either in permanent residence or legally employed, we regularly correspond with them, Skype, so I am aware of many of their problems. to receive social services in Germany (and not the amount that you indicated, but more), you need to legalize there, that is, belong to one of the certain national groups, or be a political emigrant, or make a German citizen happy with yourself. 80 dollars a day, by Ukrainian standards, is a lot, but in the United States, tax evasion is considered one of the worst crimes (Al-Capone himself was imprisoned under this article). $ 80 "clean" is already the salary of a qualified nurse, teacher, shift worker on a trawler or in Alaska. Therefore, I wish you to get rid of harmful illusions about "rivers of milk and jelly banks" in the West and think about how to live further in Ukraine. hi
          3) So far, informally, I am warning you that your speeches today smell like a flood, the next time I will be forced to take official measures provided for by the rules of the site.
    4. 0
      8 February 2013 09: 16
      Quote: Polymer
      Everything suits me in my country, and if it didn’t suit me, I would have already dumped .... and it’s far from the fact that I’m in Russia

      The enemies and geopolitical rivals of Russia have all hope for an increase in the number of people like you (if only the belly is full and the ass is warm). You have a polymer instead of a mosk-polymer. I am truly sorry for you, except for the dough and the havl, apparently nothing for you exist.
  6. pa_nik
    +6
    7 February 2013 15: 46
    Armavir is VERY right !! We are one whole, one people, one country, only by the will of the "political rulers", TEMPORARILY divided.
  7. FIMUK
    -6
    7 February 2013 15: 47
    yes *)) stocking up with popcorn.
    1. +6
      7 February 2013 15: 52
      Quote: FIMUK

      yes *)) stocking up with popcorn.

      Why not fat?
      1. biglow
        +12
        7 February 2013 16: 18
        Alexander Romanov,
        Canadian patriots of Ukraine eat popcorn and drink cola. There is no fat and moonshine on Canadian farms.
        1. MG42
          0
          7 February 2013 16: 27
          Quote: biglow
          Canadian patriots of Ukraine eat popcorn and drink cola

          good that's how it looks
      2. +4
        7 February 2013 16: 35
        Yes, only popcorn comes to such a payment; fat is not made in America.
        1. +1
          7 February 2013 22: 15
          Quote: Vodrak
          Yes, only popcorn comes to such a payment; fat is not made in America.

          Salo at customs was selected as smuggling. lol
    2. Kaa
      +6
      7 February 2013 16: 27
      Quote: FIMUK
      stocking up popcorn

      And do not forget, iodine deficiency dramatically reduces mnemonic abilities and increases the number of skulls on uniform.
      1. +1
        7 February 2013 21: 51
        I apologize, in a fit of laughter, the arrows got tangled. (you definitely need to do something with this!)
  8. Avenger711
    +1
    7 February 2013 15: 54
    Ukrainian "patriots" are indignant.
  9. +11
    7 February 2013 15: 59
    Clinton said that Russia will never connect with anyone, America will not allow it, only she didn’t understand it fell after these words, and hit her head, or before these words she already had a concussion.
    1. +14
      7 February 2013 16: 06
      Quote: AlexFU
      just did not understand, she fell after these words, and hit her head, or before these words she already had a concussion.

      And in the evening of the same day, Lavrov appeared in front of the cameras with a broken arm, did not calculate the drummer laughing
      1. +4
        7 February 2013 18: 58
        There is another version that Lavrov tried to stop diarrhea with his bare hands, but Hilary had an anus with teeth ...
    2. +4
      7 February 2013 16: 15
      Quote: AlexFU
      she didn’t understand, she fell after these words, and hit her head, or before these words she already had a concussion.


      And with diarrhea it is not clear when she started, before or after these words laughing drinks
    3. +5
      7 February 2013 17: 47
      And before the fall, there was dehydration from diarrhea, this is scientific, but on our mov - the old woman was upset to fainting on the basis of Russophobia.
      1. +4
        7 February 2013 18: 43
        That's how it turns out everything was belay
        First, Hillary had verbal diarrhea, as a result of which Lavrov’s hand fell on Clintonsha’s brainless head
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And in the evening of the same day, Lavrov appeared in front of the cameras with a broken arm,
        and after obscene obscenities
        Quote: AlexFU
        she fell after these words, and hit her head,
        second time and as a result
        Quote: hrych
        the old woman snapped to a swoon due to Russophobia.
        laughing laughing laughing
  10. +2
    7 February 2013 16: 17
    Then it is clear why Lavrov was silent when his journalists asked where he had broken his arm.
  11. biglow
    +3
    7 February 2013 16: 19
    Recent years Ruins are the hardest, but they are the last
  12. anchonsha
    +2
    7 February 2013 16: 20
    Ukraine will remain the same until a sane and honest citizen with a group of devoted people comes to the leadership of the country. Europe and the USA will make every effort so that such a person does not appear, they need Yushchenko and Tymoshenko, although Yanukovych himself is now happy with them, since they do not do much harm to them
    1. Kaa
      +8
      7 February 2013 16: 42
      Quote: anchonsha
      Ukraine will remain the same until a sane and honest citizen with a group of devoted people comes to the leadership of the country.

      In Belarus, officials are struggling with lawlessness, although not Stalinist, but it can still be said by repressive methods. And this, in the framework of the current Belarusian legislation, is not bad. At least productively. It is not by chance that the democratic world community venomously spits towards Lukashenko, and calls this post-Soviet country totalitarian. It is totalitarian or not, and Belarusians themselves like this father’s approach to business. In Russia, the elite and insanity of officials who are too oblivious of the good of the state, although not always successfully, are struggling with the help of high-profile trials. The start was made by the Khodorkovsky scandal when there was a real danger that American business would get a controlling stake in Siberian oil and gas fields through Yukos.
      And here we have ... We have successfully realized what Stalin was afraid of and what he was fighting with - corporations consisting of new post-Soviet capitalists, state bureaucracy and vinaigrette of both of them in the country's highest legislative body have emerged and are flourishing. And it is precisely the aggravation of the fierce struggle for power, influence and income between such corporations that we see with periodicity determined by the legislation of Ukraine. Party colors and symbols act as identification signs of a friend or foe for corporations. Maybe that’s why a good half of the country expressed its disbelief in the bright, not communist, but corporate-capitalist future by the fact that it simply did not come to the polls. By this, the citizens of Ukraine put a tick in the column “against all” that disappeared in the ballots.
      To understand them is not difficult. The current "color of the nation" in its struggle for power is potentially even more destructive for the country than the communist party-economic elite, which brilliantly ruined the Soviet Union. And I really want to believe that the civil war appointed in 2015 by science fiction writer Mikhail Belozerov in his “Ukrainian Gambit”, which arose as a result of a conflict of corporate Ukrainian elites, will not be foresight, but just a figment of the author’s perverted imagination. How to know, how to know ... http: //from-ua.com/politics/050d669d08d1a.html
  13. +2
    7 February 2013 16: 20
    Western Ukraine is also not homogeneous. Some Rusins ​​consider themselves Russian and were very unhappy when Stalin, joining Galicia, annexed them to Ukraine, and not the RSFSR. Others consider themselves Ukrainians. Some of them since the days of Austria-Hungary sincerely hate Russia and Russians.
    1. +4
      7 February 2013 17: 53
      In defense of the Galicians, I’ll say that they fought with the Austrians, then with the Poles, a national liberation organization was created, and then the Euro Bolsheviks pushed themselves and let's collective farm and state farm, and they got hatred for many years, although initially Russia was the hope for them liberation from oppression. True, all the hatred is on the Russians, the most affected by the commissars, well, what can you do.
  14. evil
    +1
    7 February 2013 16: 31
    What pindict type put a minus to the author?
  15. cool.ya-nikola
    +1
    7 February 2013 16: 31
    Quote: AlexFU
    just did not understand, she fell after these words, and hit her head, or before these words she already had a concussion.

    Alexander, she has it chronic!
  16. +3
    7 February 2013 16: 39
    HERE! And no Polymers with Fimuki this will not be taken away!
    drinks fellow
  17. desiscia
    -1
    7 February 2013 17: 06
    There harasho where we are not. And we have to beat harasho on our land.
  18. MG42
    +4
    7 February 2013 17: 23
    Ukraine cannot ignore the interests of domestic producers working in the markets of the Customs Union
    This was stated by Prime Minister Mykola Azarov at a press conference after a meeting with EU Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fule.

    As a LIGABusinessInform correspondent reports, Azarov noted that he had discussed a number of issues with the European Commissioner. "The issue of our relations with another strategic partner - Russia and the Customs Union, with which Ukraine has over 40% of our foreign trade", - he said.

    Azarov stressed that Ukraine "cannot ignore the interests of domestic producers operating in the markets of the Customs Union." “We must take into account the integration processes in the CIS. Ukraine intends to make the most of the advantages of the free trade zone, which the free trade zone provides,” he said.
    http://news.liga.net/news/politics/808699-azarov_o_soyuze_putina_nelzya_zabyvat_
    interesy_ourshego_biznesa.htm
  19. bap063
    +2
    7 February 2013 17: 40
    Let them say thanks that they would have saved from the Poles, otherwise they would have cut everyone out, and the language would have broken them. The Poles are therefore different from Russian, and in general they asked and joined themselves, seeing their collapse through oppression, for example (
    Ukraine - Poles, Armenians - Turks, etc.) all asked for them, no one spared them as it is presented everywhere, Nikolai Ostrovsky described in his book "How the Steel Was Tempered" (in relation to Ukraine), but everything turned out in relation to the collapse of the USSR. every ardent adventurer, having gathered a bunch of thugs around him, seizes power within the limits of his forces and capabilities (financial), begins to lead, issues money, he wrote about all sorts of Ukrainian dads, and in the USSR they were also defeated only by republics, that's makes all the difference? And if drunkard Yeltsin at that time would have thought about Russia, and not about his throat, then everything would be different?
  20. +5
    7 February 2013 17: 46
    I'm not against brotherhood. But who can eradicate the age-old hatred of Russians on the part of the inhabitants of the western part of Ukraine? In what way are all those who stand for unification going to satisfy their thoughts about "independence"? Or a repeat of the post-war period, when there was no rest until the 56th year? Does everyone know the price of peace? Mistakes and political games on "voluntary" accession should not be repeated. Why do we need an implacable enemy in our neighbors? Or a "friend" ready to kick at a convenient time for him? Ukraine has made its choice and this is its choice. To be friends, to help within the framework of agreements - yes. But "stuffing" into friends and, all the more, into relatives is now not worth it. The time is not right, and the mood of a part of the Ukrainian population does not at all contribute to this, but causes irritation and intensifies hostility towards us. Time will put everything in its place. Just don't rush him ...
    1. MG42
      +3
      7 February 2013 18: 23
      Quote: IRBIS
      Time is not right, and the mood of a part of the population of Ukraine does not contribute to this at all, but causes irritation and intensifies hostility towards us.

      This part of the population that is unsubscribed here is not so numerous, apparently fed from the hands of Tyagnibok or the party fraternity = that they hardly believe in the fact that they write their Russophobic comments for free.
    2. Kaa
      +1
      8 February 2013 05: 31
      Quote: IRBIS
      Why do we need an implacable enemy in our neighbors?

      I propose to denounce the annexes to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in relation to Western Ukraine and return the population with the territory to its legitimate owners - the Poles. They will teach them "Freedom" to love!
  21. +10
    7 February 2013 18: 14
    The funny thing is that Ukrainians are offended by the word "Little Russia". It seems like a dismissive, meaning "small, nondescript" And they do not realize that in fact this name should be proud! How did Russia begin? From Kievan Rus! Little Russia is a small homeland! The place where Russia was born. How often do people say: "I will go to my small homeland" and do not mean anything bad. It's the same here. Russia went from Little Russia, became Great, but all the same - our brainchild!
    1. YARY
      0
      8 February 2013 07: 27
      crying So what kind of ruff your copper will not grab usy zapadentsev for chupryna iiiii! Where is the thread. Podale !?
  22. +5
    7 February 2013 18: 16
    the time will come and we will surely reunite and live together! it will definitely be. And no enemies will hinder us!
  23. +2
    7 February 2013 18: 21
    I did not understand the meaning of the article.
    The topic is for the inter-friendliness of the local sufferers on Ukraine’s accession to the Russian Federation. As well as provocateurs who deepen the contradictions and incite ethnic hatred. They will put pluses for each other, despite the fact that some people wear fascist nicknames. But they write about how bad it is in Ukraine and you don’t have to work, and joins the Russian Federation to feed us.

    the main thing is not to forget that not only Ukraine is a PART of Russia. but the Russian Federation is also ONLY part.
    All success))))))))
    1. Kaa
      +5
      7 February 2013 21: 38
      Quote: Kars
      not only Ukraine is a PART of Russia. but the Russian Federation is also ONLY a part.

      Colleague, you can't say it better +++++. We won't talk about provocateurs, but we won't talk about those who want the Russian Federation to feed someone - we live with you, I hope we don't live in poverty. But two (or better, more) parts of the former whole should still live, if not together, then at least in one direction. As a great connoisseur of Russia (not yet divided into the Russian Federation, Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states, etc.) wrote Otto von Bismarck " Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decomposition of the main power of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians themselves ... These latter, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, are just as quickly reconnected with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.
      So why the hell are we pushing each other out of the show off? To live without each other - already for 22 years it was proved - we can, but together (under the USSR) it was better. hi
    2. wax
      +1
      8 February 2013 03: 47
      Well, let's connect these parts to Russia, that is, a single state.
  24. +4
    7 February 2013 18: 25
    remember Bogdan Khmelnitsky!
  25. +5
    7 February 2013 19: 44
    The true history of Russia must be taught in school, then who will not be explained to Rus. Our enemies tremble at the mere thought, the thought of uniting the Russians! We will not give the enemy a chance, unite in a single Orthodox Russia!
  26. 0
    7 February 2013 20: 41
    Do I have it or are we really rubbing this article for the second time?
  27. +5
    7 February 2013 22: 19
    Fingerprint hetman letter.

    The most exalted, velmozhniy and most glorious tsar of Moscow, and to us
    well of gracious Pan and goodness.
    It was similar to the contempt of God for whom we ourselves
    zichich and tried about it, abihmo hour of the present could through
    your good health messengers of your royal dignity
    see and give the lowest bow to give. God Almighty
    giving us from your royal majesty a mess, he wants not to
    us, before Mr. Kisel’s plan in his needs, which comrades
    our Cossacks in dorozi having scuffled, before us, before the troops wrapped.
    Through kotorih joyfully came to us your royal dignity
    make my viri of our old Greek Greek, for which
    long hours and beyond the waves of their crooked descent, from the kings
    long-standing redemption is pacified [until] until a quiet hour from the godless Aryans no peace
    May.
    [Tv] Our redeemer, Jesus Christ, stung false
    wretched people and wry tears of orphans Bidni, affectionate and mercy
    looking to us as your saints, like sending your word
    holy, ratovati us. Whichever pit they beat under us
    they themselves collapsed in nude, but the two troops with great camps helped them
    to us the Lord God of opanovat and three hetmans live bait taken
    by their sanatoriums: first on Zholta Vody, in the field in the middle of the road
    Zaporozkoi, Komisar Shemberk and Sin Pan Krakowski, not one
    Soul did not flow. Then hetman himself the great pan Krakow of
    good innocent cholovik pan Martin Kalinovsky, hetman
    full crown, under Korsun the city fell into captivity, and
    the army eats all of them quartile to the mercy; we didn’t take them,
    People took them, which we served [in that world] from the king
    Krimsky. Hello to us and to your [royal] majesty
    oznaymiti, the same song us vidost bridge hare [la from] Prince Dominic
    Zaslavsky, kotor before us has been sent to the world, soaked, and from the pan
    Kisel, governor of Braslav, the same singer of the king, our lord,
    death took, so by rosemony, but from the cause of quietly ungodly
    these are our enemies, who eats a lot of kings in the land
    ours, for what the earth is now completely empty. Zichi Bihmo Sobi
    autocrat ruler of this in his land, like your royal
    velostnost Orthodox Tsar of Khrestia, azalea bi primary
    the prophecy from Christ our God was fulfilled, everything is in the hands of
    his holy grace. Whom do you keep in your royal majesty, if
    God beat the will of it, but hasten thine the king’s infection at once, do not
    bavachisya, step on the pan, and with all the Army
    I’m ready to serve your tsar’s great dignity
    which, with its lower services, seems to be given back.
    And change it will be too much for your royal majesty, if Poles
    again they want to attack us, at the same hour hurry up with the Borzhi
    and from your side on their advance, and by their help for God
    take it. And may God correct from the old Vicks
    a prophecy, to which we ourselves are half-hearted, to the gracious nougat
    Your royal majesty, like the humbled ones, humbly surrenders.
    Dates with Cherkas, June 8, 1648.
    Your royal majesty have the lowest servants. Bogdan
    Khmelnitsky, hetman with the army of his royal mercy Zaporozky.
  28. +4
    7 February 2013 22: 34
    The decision of the Zemsky Sobor
    <> And about the hetman about Bohdan Khmelnytsky and about the whole Army
    The Zaporizhzhya boyars and dumy people were sentenced so that the great sovereign tsar and grand duke Alexei Mikhailovich of all Russia would please that hetman Bogtan Khmelnytsky and the whole Zaporizhzhya Army with their lands and lands to take under their state high hand for the Orthodox Christian faith and holy churches of God, because the pans are glad and the whole Speech Riding on the Orthodox Christian faith and on the holy saints of God rebelled and want to eradicate them, and so that they
    1. +2
      7 February 2013 22: 35
      Hetman Bogdan Khmelnitsky and the entire Zaporizhzhya Army sent to the great sovereign Tsar and Grand Duke Aleksei Mikhailovich the weight of Russia to be beaten by many people, so that he, the great sovereign, the Orthodox Christian faiths would be eradicated and the holy churches of God be destroyed by their persecutor, ordered them accepted under his state high hand.
      And if the sovereign did not grant them, he would not accept it under his sovereign high hand, and the great sovereign would have joined them for the Orthodox Christian faiths and holy churches of God, ordered them to reconcile through their great ambassadors, so that the world would be safe for them. And according to the sovereign’s decree, and according to their petition, sovereigns, the great ambassadors in the old pan-parliament said that the king and the pans would be glad of civil strife, and reconciled from the Cherkasy, and that the Orthodox Christian faith was not persecuted, and the churches of God were not taken away, and they were not forcibly in which they didn’t repair, but taught the world under the Zbor agreement. And the great sovereign his royal majesty for the Orthodox Christian faith, Jan Casimier king will perpetrate such an act: those people who have appeared in his state name in the propiska, orders them to give them their guilt. And Ian Casimer the king and the pans are glad, and they put the matter to nothing and the world refused to Cherkasy. And therefore, bring them closer to the king: in the oath of Jan Casimmer the king says that he is in the faith of the Christian osteretate and defend, and that he does not press in any way for the faith, and do not allow anyone to do so. And he will not keep his oath, and he will repair his subjects from all faithfulness and obedience free. And he, Jan Casimer, did not take his oath of allegiance, and he fell on the Orthodox Christian faith of Greek law, and many of God destroyed the church of God, and established it by union. And so as not to let them into citizenship of the Turkish Saltan or the Crimean Khan, because they have now become the oath of royal freedom.
      And for that they sentenced everything: hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky and the whole Zaporizhzhya Army with cities and lands to accept
  29. DDR
    +7
    7 February 2013 22: 46
    RUSSIA UKRAINE BELORUSSIA we are all one people, and we have common roots! and it is not in vain that the "star whales" are afraid of us and therefore make every effort to embroil us.
  30. Maxno
    -2
    8 February 2013 01: 02

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    1. 0
      8 February 2013 05: 11
      There is NO Academician Evgeny Shiryaev in Russia.
      there is one of the shops called "international academy of sciences of eurasia" - "public organization".
      Better go down here: http://ukraine-russia.livejournal.com/4968210.html?thread=154658066, and compare the maps of 16-17 centuries and those pictures from space of the 14 century that this charlatan presents.
  31. +4
    8 February 2013 01: 07
    I have a Ukrainian grandfather, a Belarusian paternal grandfather, my father’s wife from Moldova, a Kazakh grandmother! I was born in the Leningrad region, she is in Yakutia, well, who are my children ...
    Good people are good measured, let's put up!
  32. The fence
    -2
    8 February 2013 01: 14
    Ukraine is the same part of Russia as Turkey, do not tell people the author !!!
    A couple of hundred years ago it is possible! The more with Russia, the more in the pope!
    And is that normal ???
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OGHvw-Ww9JA
    MAKNO! You have 10 pluses !!!
    Is this the order of the site?
    1. phantom359
      +1
      8 February 2013 02: 32
      The fence, Ukraine At the moment, no one for a Jewish union is a supplier of cheap labor. Neither the economy nor the army, but what a joy, if not scuffle. so throw eggs. By the way, Oplot is being made in Kharkov, and not in Lviv. )
  33. The fence
    0
    8 February 2013 01: 35
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OGHvw-Ww9JA]
    Ukraine is as much a "part of Russia" as Turkey, don't make people laugh! author!! In Ukraine, there are no such jokes and will never be.
    Or is this video type not RUSSIA ???
  34. 0
    9 February 2013 02: 10
    This should be said not in Russia, but in Ukraine. There are liberal nationalistic Neanderthals who consider themselves "the chosen ones" and shove all sorts of nonsense like "Ancient Ukrov, which are 140.000 years old" In Russia, they remember that we are one people.
    1. Serg_Y
      0
      9 February 2013 20: 03
      Oh, I have a kind of great-great-great-great-grandfather from modern Ukraine, though he is Ivanovich, but I have really large eyebrows and a strong skull. It turns out my ancestor was a Neanderthal, cool!