The eternal struggle of teachers, students and their parents

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Students in Oxford

Parents demand that their children spend their money wisely and perform well, and teachers demand performance and respect. And for most students, as now, partying, games and entertainment were more interesting than studying itself.



Let's read several letters that show the relationships of students with others in the Middle Ages.

Dear dad, send some money


Even in the Middle Ages, even now, if your child is a student, then he probably sometimes asks you for money. Here, for example, is a letter from the beginning of the 13th century:

B. to his venerable master A.
This is a greeting to inform you that I am studying at Oxford with the greatest diligence, but the question of money is greatly hindering my advancement, since two months have passed since I spent the last of what you sent me.
The city is expensive and has many demands; I have to rent a place to live, buy basic necessities, and provide for many other things that I cannot specify right now.
Therefore, I respectfully ask your fatherhood, that, prompted by divine compassion, you will help me so that I can complete what I began well. For you must know that without Ceres and Bacchus, Apollo grows cold.

[Center]One of the oldest parts of Oxford
One of the oldest parts of Oxford

Sometimes students first “beautifully laid out” their progress in order to smoothly lead to asking for money.

To the very dear and respected parents of M. Matre, the knight, and M. his wife, M. and S., their sons, convey greetings and filial obedience.
This is to inform you that by divine grace we live in good health in the city of Orleans and devote ourselves entirely to our studies, remembering the words of Cato: “To know anything is worthy of praise.” We occupy good housing just one door from the schools and market place, so we can go to school every day without getting our feet wet.
We also have good companions in our house, well advanced in their studies and of excellent habits—an advantage which we highly value, for, as the Psalmist says, “With an honest man you will show yourself to be honest.”
Therefore, so that the study does not stop due to lack of material, we ask your fatherhood to send us, through Bearer B., money to buy parchment, ink, a desk and other things that we need, in sufficient quantities so that we do not need -for you, finished their studies and returned home with honor.
We ask you to take care of the shoes and stockings that you must send us.

In addition to letters home, we received several replies from parents in which they sent money along with warnings not to spend it too quickly.

Let's read a letter from the French writer Eustache Deschamps (1346–1406). He first studied at the University of Orleans, and later entered the service of the King of France. In 1400, Eustache wrote this imaginary letter from a student to his father. Even if it is fictional, it well reflects the realities of those times.

Beloved Father, I have not a penny, and I cannot save anything, because everything in the university is so expensive, and I cannot study my Code or my Compendium (these are legal texts) because their pages are affected by the epileptic disease. Moreover, I owe ten crowns to the rector and cannot find anyone who would lend it to me. I'm asking you for money.

A student needs many things if he wants to be prominent here; his father and his relatives should supply him freely, so that he will not be forced to pawn his book, but will have cash in his wallet for dresses, furs and decent clothes. Otherwise he will be cursed as a beggar. Therefore, so that people do not take me for an animal, I ask you for money.

The wines are expensive, as are the hostels and other nice things. I am in debt on every street and it is difficult for me to get out of such traps. Dear dad, deign to help me! I'm afraid of being excommunicated; I've already been cited, and there's not even a dry bone in my pantry. If I cannot find money before this Easter holiday, the church doors will be closed in my face; therefore fulfill my prayer. I'm asking you for money.

Dearly beloved father, in order to relieve my debts to the tavern, bakery, professors, and also to pay my subscriptions to the laundress and barber, I ask you for money.

Teacher complaints


You can often find teachers talking about how bad their students are. However, even during the Middle Ages there was a lot to complain about when it came to academic performance.

The 13th-century bishop and theologian Jacques de Vitry said of the students in Paris:

Some studied simply to gain knowledge, which is curiosity; others to achieve fame, which is vanity; still others are still for profit, which is greed. Very few studied for the edification of themselves or others. They weren't arguing just over some discussion; but the differences between the countries also caused discord, hatred and violent enmity between them, and they brazenly uttered all sorts of insults against each other.

Meanwhile, in the 14th century, Alvaro Pelayo, studying at the University of Bologna, lamented:

They attend classes, but make no effort to learn anything... The spending money they receive from their parents or churches is spent in taverns, on festivals, games and other excesses, and therefore they return home empty, without knowledge , conscience or money.

When rumors of poor performance reached the ears of parents, they reproached their children. In this letter from 12th-century France, a father named Bescanson writes to his son, who was studying in Orleans:

He who is lazy in his work is the brother of one who is also a great spendthrift. Recently I discovered that you led a dissolute and lazy lifestyle, preferring promiscuity to restrictions, play to work. You strummed the guitar while others were busy studying, so it happened that you read one volume of the law, while your more industrious comrades read several. Therefore, I have decided to hereby demand from you a complete repentance of your debauchery and carelessness, that you may no longer be called a spendthrift, and that your disgrace may be turned to a good reputation.

Even the medieval librarian had reasons to complain about students. Around 1345, Richard de Bury, who was studying at Oxford and tutoring the young Edward III, complained about the way books were handled by students:

You may happen to see some stubborn young man lazily sitting at his studies, and when there is severe frost in winter, snot flows from his nose from the piercing cold, and he does not even think of wiping it with a handkerchief until he splashes the book lying in front of him .

His fingernails are covered in stinking mud, black as pitch. He leaves a lot of straws (we're talking about bookmarks), which he inserts so that they stick out in different places and remind him of what he cannot remember himself. These straws, since the book has no stomach to digest them and no one takes them out, stretch the book, causing it to spoil.

The student likes to eat fruit or cheese over an open book, or casually lifts a cup to his mouth and takes it away from his mouth. Constantly chattering, he never tires of arguing with his comrades, and, making a lot of meaningless arguments, he wets the book lying open on his lap with splashing streams, or stains it with leftover food. And then, hastily crossing his arms over his chest, he leans forward over his book to take a nap.

To remember the required page, he folds the margins, causing considerable damage to the book.

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  1. -5
    31 March 2024 05: 11
    What is that?
    (The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information)
    1. +6
      31 March 2024 05: 53
      To remember the required page, he folds the margins, causing considerable damage to the book.
      Well... and now tablets are being destroyed, causing considerable harm to the family budget. (genetic memory kicks in)
    2. -4
      31 March 2024 07: 14
      This is another copy-paste from Zotov, meaningless and merciless.
      1. +5
        31 March 2024 08: 01
        [quote=3x3zsave]3x3zsave
        (anton)
        Anton! You judge directly very evilly...
        1. -1
          31 March 2024 08: 12
          Vyacheslav Olegovich is not evil, but fair. So to spoil an interesting topic you have to have “talent”!
          I propose to compare this “opus” with Sergei Vivovatenko’s radio program about students on “Vivat History”.
          1. +6
            31 March 2024 08: 14
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            So to spoil an interesting topic you have to have “talent”!

            Perhaps I am too lenient towards everyone who “writes”. I remember where I started... well, I want to cheer the person up.
            1. +5
              31 March 2024 17: 57
              Quote: kalibr
              I remember where I started...

              It seems to me that you had knowledge that you wanted to share. As for this author, there is a desire to share, but...
              However, I’m ready to agree, the selection of letters is interesting.
          2. +5
            31 March 2024 08: 26
            I propose to compare this “opus” with Sergei Vivovatenko’s radio program about students on “Vivat History”

            I haven’t heard anything from him about students, although I try not to miss his programs. He has interesting and unbiased programs
        2. -1
          31 March 2024 08: 20
          Maybe Vyacheslav Olegovich, for that honestly. Popular does not mean scientific.
          1. +3
            31 March 2024 08: 39
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Popular does not mean scientific.


            Just like the majority does not mean 100%! Perhaps, yes, some students were lazy in those days, but this does not mean that all students were lazy!

            Good morning Anton! hi
          2. +8
            31 March 2024 09: 29
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Popular does not mean scientific.

            Right. But it is very difficult to combine this in one material. This is what they teach, by the way. And here a person learns on his own, and even as he goes along. For example, I liked the selection of letters...
        3. +5
          31 March 2024 11: 50
          Quote: kalibr
          Anton! You judge directly very evilly...
          I was sure that this was your article until I read the author.
          1. +4
            31 March 2024 14: 12
            Vyacheslav Olegovich usually has an epigraph at the beginning of his article, but here it is not.
  2. +6
    31 March 2024 06: 52
    Parents demand that their children spend their money wisely and perform well, and teachers demand performance and respect. And for most students, as now, partying, games and entertainment were more interesting than studying itself.

    True, in Soviet times it was possible to study at a university without the help of parents... And for good and excellent studies you could get an increased scholarship...
  3. +6
    31 March 2024 07: 10
    Sergey! Good material, but... “Students at Oxford” - these are the captions under the illustrations that spoil the impression. It’s already clear that students... It would be much more interesting to indicate where this came from. So that anyone who is interested in this topic can climb there and look for something else.
    1. -2
      31 March 2024 07: 40
      Good material
      What's good about it? How did students enter universities? Was education paid? Who and from what segments of the population could go to university? How was the graduation? Was a diploma issued and how did former students settle in? These are the questions the “article” should answer.
      1. +3
        31 March 2024 08: 00
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        What's good about it? How did students enter universities? Was education paid? Who and from what segments of the population could go to university? How was the graduation? Was a diploma issued and how did former students settle in? These are the questions the “article” should answer.

        You want a lot. These are topics for a series of 5 articles, not one article. You don’t want the text to be written in choppy phrases. For example, I liked the text within the required volume. And you can improve what you’ve written to the point of “carrot blight.”
        1. -1
          31 March 2024 08: 02
          You want a lot
          All I want to get from what I read is knowledge.
          1. +5
            31 March 2024 08: 16
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            All I want to get from what I read is knowledge.

            It's clear. But the answers to your 5 questions cannot be inserted into an online article of normal length.
            1. -2
              31 March 2024 08: 21
              But the answers to your 5 questions cannot be inserted into an online article of normal length
              Each question posed can be answered in one sentence. Without going into details
              1. +3
                31 March 2024 09: 25
                Quote: Dutchman Michel
                Each question posed can be answered in one sentence. Without going into details

                Then it will be uninteresting to read. And neither will you!
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      2. +11
        31 March 2024 09: 19
        Why should an article answer these questions??? Well, really... You can criticize for style, believability. Ok, everyone's business and opinion. But why did you, dear reader and commentator, decide what MY article should be about? Why should I write about students in general if I just found a few letters and wanted to show them? I noticed that they are still relevant today. That's all - nothing more.

        In different countries, students of that time had different attitudes from the state; people were influenced by conflicts, illnesses, etc. stronger than now. Do you want me to combine all this in one article? These questions CANNOT be answered briefly. Here, every question from yours, in a good way, attracts a course. And within the framework of this site, at least an article longer than this one.
        The article MUST cover the topic set by the author. My topic is ordinary letters, a piece of this part of the life of students and their environment. All.
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    2. +6
      31 March 2024 09: 22
      Thank you)
      Yes, honestly, the pictures fly past me. I admit my carelessness. It is what it is)
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    4. 0
      April 1 2024 13: 45
      Sergey! Good material, but... “Students at Oxford” - these are the captions under the illustrations that spoil the impression.

      They really spoil it. Especially if you know that the illustration is not Oxford, but the Sorbonne, and not students, but teachers. An individual does not distinguish between God's gift and scrambled eggs, but strives to become a “writer.”
      1. +2
        April 1 2024 15: 17
        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
        but is eager to become a “writer.”

        What if you want? If the soul asks? This is difficult to deal with. You just need to study, study and study. And then... everything will be better than today.
  4. +9
    31 March 2024 08: 00
    I read the letters with interest. It's funny - centuries pass, but nothing changes. Unless books have turned into tablets (which careless children constantly damage to the “joy” of their parents). And so put these texts into modern language and most of the modern martyrs of science, as well as their parents, will subscribe to them...
    Credit to the author for the pleasant memories of a time when girls were better and the grass was greener
    1. +4
      31 March 2024 12: 34
      KVU-NSVD (Victor) Today, 08:00
      Credit to the author for the pleasant memories of a time when girls were better and the grass was greener


      Happy memories hi

  5. +4
    31 March 2024 10: 55
    “to take a nap” I slept safely during lectures with the Cat. He has a voice that can lull anyone to sleep.
  6. +3
    31 March 2024 12: 47
    The translation is not very good.
  7. +4
    31 March 2024 13: 01
    In the illustration.
    And who are these guys with big clubs walking around the classroom during classes? Is discipline maintained?
    1. +7
      31 March 2024 17: 54
      Quote: Not the fighter
      What kind of uncle is this?

      As already written, this is not Oxford, but Sorbonne. And not students, but doctors.
      People with wands are rectors, and in their hands they hold a symbol of power. The so-called - Rektorstab
      The fact is that medieval universities were completely autonomous from the authorities and maintained order on their own. Quite likely with the help, as you put it, of batons)))
  8. +5
    31 March 2024 15: 20
    For harming the book then they would have their heads unscrewed
  9. +7
    31 March 2024 15: 27
    Here we must take into account the fact that the average workload for students exhausted from studying was about two teaching hours. per week) A student could, of course, independently accumulate more hours by being interested in various sciences, but not everyone did this)
  10. +4
    31 March 2024 16: 07
    For the author ...
    Thank you! But why do you react to comments in such a way that you almost turn to “you, let’s go out”?
    I lacked some memory from my personal past. That the author was a student, or “an acquaintance told me,” and was also not perfect.
    For commentators...
    If you kick the author, it means he didn’t publish transparency after all. You're doing the right thing. He will continue to write keeping in mind the reprimands.
    1. -3
      31 March 2024 17: 33
      I write for those who criticize and make arguments, who do not have personal hostility towards me. I don’t know why I excite them so much with my articles that they lose their temper. There are several such people here, and I don't care about their comments. I leave a lot of questions unanswered, smile and move on. But when they get personal, then I answer. That's all.
      Yes, maybe it was possible to insert something from my student past here, I don’t argue
  11. +4
    31 March 2024 17: 41
    Let's read a letter from the French writer Eustache Deschamps...
    Beloved Father, I have neither a penny,

    But I was curious why the French writer used the word “penny”. And not the French equivalent like “denier”?
    Or is this a parody of the morals of the islanders?
  12. BAI
    +4
    31 March 2024 18: 56
    And for most students, as now, partying, games and entertainment were more interesting than studying itself.

    1. On the French side, on an alien planet
    I have to study at the university.
    2. Unless I kill myself in a drunken party,
    Remember me, oh friends, girlfriends!
    1. BAI
      +2
      31 March 2024 19: 04
      Or -
      I will definitely come back to you friends, girlfriends
  13. +3
    April 1 2024 11: 36
    For you must know that without Ceres and Bacchus, Apollo grows cold.

    It seems that my son either writes to dad in a secret code so that mom won’t guess, or dad himself “didn’t graduate from academies,” and the child is at great risk of getting burned if he shows his son’s letter to an “educated” person. Still, the first one is more likely. wink
    I liked this breath of air from those times; documents often convey the aroma of time.
    In general, the basis of any work that claims to attract the attention of the general public is conflict. The conflict between the heroes, between external circumstances and the inner world, the conflict of ideas in the hero’s head, finally. So the direction of the article is generally chosen favorably. Another thing is that you also need to be able to present a conflict beautifully. With a slight digression from the topic, drawing parallels, creating associations. With an aperitif and a side dish, with a sprig of parsley, in a figurative sense. But this is so - gourmet nitpicking)