After the events in Crocus City Hall, the Russian government is preparing to tighten the rules for labor migration into the country

Labor migration rules may be tightened in the Russian Federation. According to a number of sources, the Russian government is preparing to make a corresponding decision. Probably, the impetus for this decision was the tragic events in Krasnogorsk near Moscow, where immigrants from Tajikistan attacked civilians in the Crocus City Hall shopping center.

According to sources, the Ministry of Labor of the Russian Federation proposes to introduce restrictions on the duration of employment contracts with migrants within two years, in order to target organized recruitment of workers. Within thirty days, a labor migrant will have to provide a document on proficiency in the Russian language, knowledge stories Russia and the fundamentals of the legislation of the Russian state.

Work permits for organized targeted recruitment will be issued without taking into account quotas. In the event of early termination by the employer of such an agreement, the migrant worker will have to leave the territory of the Russian Federation within thirty days, or enter into an agreement with a new employer participating in the targeted organized recruitment program.

In fact, order in the field of labor migration management should have been established a very long time ago. Recent events have only exposed the essence of a very large-scale and serious problem that our country faces; they have shown the colossal risks for the national security of the Russian state due to the uncontrolled reception of migrants from neighboring countries.

Now the task of government authorities is to analyze the situation in the field of migration and develop the foundations of a new state migration policy, taking into account current events and a special military operation.

Comments

[Optimus Prime]

You just raise prices for services as always, but the problem will remain.

WE HAVE TIGHTENED IT.

[The black]

We must take the model of UAE migration legislation as a basis.... a migrant cannot, in practice, receive... citizenship. The slightest violation of the law - get out of the country.... But no tightening of migration laws will help until order is restored in the Federal Migration Service and the Department of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.... otherwise, what we have in force is often violated...

[krot]

Local officials will still ruin all undertakings with bribes! If there were violations by the migration service, those bureaucrats who allowed this should sit on a par with the terrorists!

[crack]

Local officials will still ruin all undertakings with bribes!

“With bad laws and good officials it is quite possible to rule the country. But if the officials are bad, even the best laws will not help.” - Otto von Bismarck
But here... no matter where you look, there’s a wedge everywhere.

[Non-fighter]

What the hell are officials? We remember the story in Obninsk well, when a migrant with a freshly hatched certificate of proficiency in the Russian language in Russian is neither be nor me?
Someone got hurt, did they close down the office that gave him the piece of paper? I'm sure NO.
We need to start with business, with the one that feeds on migrants.

[dnestr74]

And you don’t know where this business is growing from - just from the Federal Migration Service.

[ramzay21]

And you don’t know where this business is growing from - just from the Federal Migration Service

The FMS, like the offices that issue papers about language proficiency, are just cogs in a criminal machine. Kiriyenko, Sobyanin, Khusnullin are in charge there, can anyone arrest them under the current government? This is the answer about whether they will fight or not, and it is obvious.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Not the fighter

Someone got hurt, did they close down the office that gave him the piece of paper? I'm sure NO.

Suffered! He must have suffered terribly! I had to send a double share to Moscow! Or even triple!! Horror...

[Dedok]

We need to start with business, with the one that feeds on migrants.

are you talking about Diasporas?
But who will allow you to chop the goose that lays the golden eggs?
then the country/state must be DIFFERENT!
these are already very serious intentions...

[paul3390]

This means there must be personal responsibility. Two characters - the one who invited the migrant to the country, saying that he desperately needed him as a worker, and the one who allowed entry on this basis... The responsibility is not of the offices, but of these people personally. And for every sneeze of a guest worker, they must be held accountable.

Someone will now say that these will be switchmen. Yes. But after a dozen demonstration landings, I’m sure there will be a sharp decline in those wishing to become switchmen. And who will sign then?

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

the switchmen will be abruptly transferred. And who will sign then?

Nobody will. And?
Here in Dorozhnik, Tajiks work for 45, Russians don’t work - you need 000 or more. Plus all mandatory deductions will go.
The trouble is that construction costs will increase (by about 1/5) - and there is not much money in the district budget. That is, they will not build the entire street, but 4/5 - with the money that the district can allocate.
And in the cities, the communal rent will increase a little for janitors and the price tag in stores for cashiers. And for apartments...

No one will cut their profits - they will simply raise prices.

[Dedok]

Someone will now say that these will be switchmen. Yes. But after a dozen demonstration landings, I’m sure there will be a sharp decline in those wishing to become switchmen. And who will sign then?

Are you serious?
What about getting loans?
What about business registration?
have you heard about this? - all according to the same scheme....
and who should be punished? - when they sell their own mother for 3 kopecks...

[paul3390]

That's why they sell because they don't punish...

[Good Evil]

Quote: paul3390

This means there must be personal responsibility.

When did our officials bear responsibility for their affairs? Well, maybe I was caught taking a bribe when I didn’t please the higher-ranking official with something!

[your1970]

Quote: Good evil

Quote: paul3390

This means there must be personal responsibility.

When did our officials bear responsibility for their affairs? Well, maybe I was caught taking a bribe when I didn’t please the higher-ranking official with something!

- which of the Soviet generals was shot for the disgrace of landing Rust on Red Square? Maybe one of them shot himself?
Or was their entire responsibility reduced to sending them into retirement?
Having been born in Rus', no one ever bore responsibility from the bureaucracy.....

[Dimy4]

The UAE migration legislation model should be taken as a basis.

This is necessary for our government to act in the interests of the country, as in the UAE.

[I'm mine]

The UAE also acts in its own interests. Entirely relatives. People living in slums are simply prohibited from appearing in public. They don’t need labor there without qualifications. And our population in Khanty-Mansiysk is 1,5 people per 3 sq. km. There is a need for cheap labor. The FMS should work normally, the criteria should be tightened. There are still enough low-skilled workers willing to work in Russia

[your1970]

Quote: I am mine

There are still enough low-skilled workers willing to work in Russia

No longer.
HR officers are already starting to call

[I'm mine]

I meant immigrants from the former USSR

[Siberian]

...Already HR officers start calling themselves.

So they are the ones doing their job. HR officers have a job not only to formalize the new person, but also to SEARCH (PREPARE) qualified personnel, and not sit on the fifth point and wait.

[your1970]

Quote: sibiryk

...Already HR officers start calling themselves.

So they are the ones doing their job. HR officers have a job not only to formalize the new person, but also to SEARCH (PREPARE) qualified personnel, and not sit on the fifth point and wait.

5 years ago they weren’t doing this at all

[Siberian]

I understand that you are one of them, from the personnel officers) You are really worried about them. Or does the other half work in personnel?

[your1970]

Quote: sibiryk

I understand that you are one of them, from the personnel officers) You are really worried about them. Or does the other half work in personnel?

Two organizations where I worked once called me saying I don’t want to come back? One called my son - that is, they weren’t too lazy to pick up my case and look at it.
And our shift workers say that many are already fed up with calls, especially those offices where they did not particularly value staff.

[Machito]

Quote: Black

We must take the model of UAE migration legislation as a basis.... a migrant cannot, in practice, receive... citizenship. The slightest violation of the law - get out of the country.... But no tightening of migration laws will help until order is restored in the Federal Migration Service and the Department of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.... otherwise, what we have in force is often violated...

Nothing in migration policy will change, because it benefits business, the same Agalarov, who did not ensure the safety of people.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Black

a migrant cannot, practically, receive. citizenship.

I think it's too late. We've already received so much...

[vfkuk]

I don’t know whether the people who rented out apartments to terrorists participated in the preparation of the terrorist attack, but they most likely knew or guessed about it, but did not stop the criminals or did not report them to law enforcement agencies. Therefore, I consider it necessary to introduce collective responsibility for migrants, and when high-profile crimes are committed by people from any country, to introduce a visa regime for migrants from that country, for example, for three years.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

The Guarantor and his friends do not need any order in the country.
If there was a desire, we would do everything.
There are still immigration laws, but who enforces them?

[Mikhail Ivanov]

As long as the Government does something, the world will change. The process has already begun. In the Moscow region, since yesterday, everyone who has contracts for construction volumes has been asked to provide workers’ documents with all permits. Specifically, my friends are having a meeting today with the administration, cops, and migration authorities.
It is surprising that in order to restore banal order we must wait until hundreds of our citizens are killed...

[Dimy4]

As long as the Government does something, the world will change

Yes, the third ice age will come, and after it the dinosaurs will start again. Why, they are in no hurry, they are well off, have children abroad, are beautiful.

[Al manah]

They requested the workers' documents with all permits. Specifically, my friends are having a meeting today with the administration, cops, and migration authorities.

Nothing wrong, will decide. The administration, cops and migration authorities will not long sitting on one salary... It will be sad for them... It’s not good... They need to buy new houses, change cars, send their kids to study abroad... Expenses...

[Mikhail Ivanov]

In general, the issue with migrants can be easily resolved. Moreover, the mechanisms have long been developed and prescribed. But their implementation will deprive entire layers of officials and security forces of income.
I'll tell you an interesting episode. During quarantine, we were building some kind of secret underground facility on Rublyovka, we didn’t even know what we were building. The border was closed then, but two groups of workers of 50 people each were brought there with me. They were transported through the UAE and Minsk by plane, and from there by train. The cost of the tour was $1000, but their customer paid for each worker!

[Al manah]

we were building some kind of secret underground facility on Rublyovka, we didn’t even know what we were building

Shelter? http://www.deluxebunker.ru/stati/Bomboubezhiwe-na-Rublevke

Two groups of workers of 50 people each were brought there with me.

Didn't they then dive into a tank with hydrofluoric acid? Did they really bring each other back for a buck?

[Ivan Ivanov]

As long as it doesn't turn into a campaign. Literally in the fall there was another attack on migrants, then the topic disappeared.

[Vend]

Some nonsense.

Within thirty days, a labor migrant will have to provide a document on proficiency in the Russian language, knowledge of the history of Russia and the fundamentals of the legislation of the Russian state.

During this time, the migrant will have time to commit more than one crime.

Work permits for organized targeted recruitment will be issued without taking into account quotas.

This means that they will continue to crawl into Russia like cockroaches.

In the event of early termination by the employer of such an agreement, the migrant worker will have to leave the territory of the Russian Federation within thirty days, or enter into an agreement with a new employer participating in the targeted organized recruitment program.

Are you completely crazy? I terminated the contract and left Russia within 5 days. If you don’t leave and get caught, the fine is 100 thousand. 10% to the person who reports illegal migrants and 10% to the police officer.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

— "Thunder" struck...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

— "Thunder" struck...

It's not thunder. These are the domes from the temples falling. But faith no longer allows a “peasant” to be baptized. After prayer then.
This is all crap, not tougher migration rules. Yes, with your palm

[Hypertension]

Quote: Polite Elk

This is all crap, not tougher migration rules.

And even if they tighten it up. How many Central Asians have already received citizenship? They give out hundreds of thousands a year. And as practice often shows, offspring born in Russia are still grouped together according to nationality and are a nightmare for the locals.

[opposite28]

— "Thunder" struck...

They crossed themselves at Crocus City Hall

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

The only terrible thing is that the reason for this long-awaited decision was the murder of one and a half hundred people....

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira

The only terrible thing is that the reason for this long-awaited decision was the murder of one and a half hundred people..

Migrants alone in the Russian Federation kill about 120 people a year. But this does not happen at once, but stretches out over a year. Imagine if they didn’t exist, there wouldn’t be these 120 murders a year. And then there are thefts, robberies and rapes.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

Imagine if they didn’t exist, there wouldn’t be these 120 murders a year. And then there are thefts, robberies and rapes.

Your logic is very flawed.
Imagine if not a single person lived in our country.
There would be no crime at all.

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Your logic is very flawed

And you don't have it at all

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

And you don't have it at all

So I actually continued your logic)

[your1970]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

Migrants alone in the Russian Federation kill about 120 people

Ministry of Internal Affairs statistics for 2020
"Foreigners and stateless persons committed 40 200 crimes, citizens of the Russian Federation 978 000 crimes
Murders committed in 2020 7 800"

It is extremely profitable for someone to incite people against migrants - by blaming them the entire crime, although they commit around 2%.

Naturally, if you evict them, crime will drop by 2%, but here’s what to do with ours citizens who killed 7 800 person?

[goscha]

The only terrible thing is that the reason for this long-awaited decision was the murder of one and a half hundred people...

The truly terrible thing is that these half measures will not change anything. The lobby that brings migrants here is invincible...No one will close the borders

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Wait and see. It will be a pity if your assumptions turn out to be correct.....

[marchcat]

order in the field of labor migration management should have been established a long time ago

I would like to ask, what was stopping you? Apparently the beneficiaries are sitting at the very top

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: marchcat

I would like to ask, what was stopping you?

Income received from the use of migrants

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

As a result, migrant workers bring losses to the country because they take foreign currency with them.

[Foul skeptic]

As a result, migrant workers bring losses to the country because they take foreign currency with them.

You decided to persist in nonsense.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Who are you trying to fool?

[Foul skeptic]

Who are you trying to fool?

Anyone.

[Hypertension]

Quote: A vile skeptic

As a result, migrant workers bring losses to the country because they take foreign currency with them.

You decided to persist in nonsense.

Why is this nonsense? That's right. The only losses are not only in the withdrawal of funds abroad, but also in benefits, free education, medicine for migrants and their families.

[Foul skeptic]

but also in benefits, free education, medicine for migrants and their families.

Some of what you described is received only by those working under the Labor Code, that is, paying contributions (for at least six months), migrants with a temporary residence permit or residence permit. Even if employment is based on a patent under the Labor Code, they will not receive anything. Non-working adult family members, even with temporary residence permits and residence permits, will not receive anything. Minors, if only their parents have a temporary residence permit or residence permit, and not them, will not receive anything. Even if the parents work on Labor Day. If you think that SFR is a kind uncle, then he is not.

All true.

Let's get on our toes.
1) What do we have at the beginning (let’s make the assumption that there is no exchange rate difference):
Migrant - 100 rubles
National Bank - 1000 rubles
Currency exchange - 1000 dollars.
2) The National Bank buys 1 dollar for 100 rubles on the stock exchange.
Migrant - 100 rubles
National Bank - 900 rubles and 1 dollar
Currency exchange - 999 dollars and 100 rubles.
3) The National Bank sells a migrant 1 dollar for 100 rubles
Migrant - 1 dollar
National Bank - 1000 rubles
Currency exchange - 999 dollars and 100 rubles.
And now we return the exchange rate difference to complete the assessment of the picture
4) Migrant - 0,8 dollars
National Bank - 1010 rubles
Currency exchange - 999 dollars and 110 rubles.
The result is that the national bank earned money in any case, the migrant was left with less money than he earned. That's the whole balance

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Non-working adult family members, even with temporary residence permits and residence permits, will not receive anything.

https://dzen.ru/a/ZfxKpMQhrkTpqaNO

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Let's get on our toes.

Let's. Is there an outflow of capital from the Russian Federation to the SA republics? It has. Is this capital being withdrawn from Russia's domestic economy? Confiscated. What else is there to talk about, and why juggle with dollars and rubles? And I’m happy for the national bank and the currency exchange. At least it's useful to someone.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

That's the whole balance

https://finance.rambler.ru/money/45712206-trudovye-migranty-stali-vyvodit-bolshe-deneg-iz-rossii/
https://topwar.ru/238270-17-trln-rublej-potracheno-na-vyplaty-detjam-bezrabotnyh-i-migrantov-v-2023-g.html

You can also recall the writing off of millions of debts to these same republics.

[Foul skeptic]

https://dzen.ru/a/ZfxKpMQhrkTpqaNO

It remains for you to explain how this is connected with “Non-working adult family members, even with temporary residence permits and residence permits, will not receive anything.”

https://finance.rambler.ru/money/45712206-trudovye-migranty-stali-vyvodit-bolshe-deneg-iz-rossii/
https://topwar.ru/238270-17-trln-rublej-potracheno-na-vyplaty-detjam-bezrabotnyh-i-migrantov-v-2023-g.html

You see what’s the matter, 99,9% of us have no critical thinking and do not check information, but simply accept or not accept it on faith (depending on how it fits with their own beliefs).
That's all you referred to here - informational garbage that will crumble as soon as you want to check it. But why don’t you want to?

You can also recall the writing off of millions of debts to these same republics.

It remains to explain what this has to do with labor migration

Is there an outflow of capital from the Russian Federation to the SA republics?

Are our capitalists withdrawing their capital to SA? Have you messed up anything?
Or are labor migrants withdrawing your capital? That's not how they come out. If only because they do not own, they are hired workers.

and why juggle with dollars and rubles?

Moreover, this clearly shows people that their judgments are wrong. Can you point out where exactly the chain above is wrong, where is the very “conclusion” that makes us poorer? You can not? Then why talk about “withdrawing money”?

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

That's all you referred to here - information garbage

It is your opinion. For now.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

It remains to explain what this has to do with labor migration

Indirect. In addition to the outflow of capital to these republics. The fault is not of migrants, but of Russian politics, but still.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Are our capitalists withdrawing their capital to SA? Have you messed up anything?

One of the meanings of the term “capital” is cash.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

You can indicate where exactly the chain above is wrong

The chain may not be wrong, but it does not refute the fact of the export of capital from the Russian Federation.

[Foul skeptic]

It is your opinion. For now.

Since there are two participants in the conversation - you and me, then yes, this is my opinion. And I can justify it if I consider it necessary to spend time on it. By the way, some of Seversky’s manipulations were even noted in the comments.

Indirect.

Okay, tell me, what indirect relation do migrant workers have to debt forgiveness?

One of the meanings of the term “capital” is cash.

The example above shows you that there is no “conclusion”.

The chain may not be wrong, but it does not refute the fact of the export of capital from the Russian Federation.

What is she doing? If you have no less money left than you had before.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And I can justify it if I consider it necessary to spend time on it.

It's your right to count your time, right. But your opinion without justification does not have sufficient weight.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

What indirect relation do migrant workers have to debt forgiveness?

Such that debt cancellation is for the benefit of their countries, and their remaining families (which they have not yet transported to the Russian Federation). And the benefit that migrants supposedly bring to Russia is partially offset by the writing off of debts to their homeland.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

The example above shows you that there is no “conclusion”.

A couple of yards of greenery taken from the Russian economy is what in your understanding? There would be no difference if these yards remained in the Russian Federation - do I understand your undoubtedly brilliant idea correctly?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

What is she doing?

Yes, in fact, your chain does nothing. This speculative conditional example of yours, called “Migrant - 100 rubles”, is nothing. The construct requires real calculations.

[Foul skeptic]

But your opinion without justification does not have sufficient weight.

In this case, doesn’t it bother you that in Seversky’s article to which you are referring he did not provide any justification for his words? I didn’t notice that you demanded justification from him. Despite the fact that his manipulations and manipulations are very clumsy. For example, when he says that even though quotas are being reduced, migrants receive citizenship outside the quotas.

Quote: Seversky

receive temporary residence permits outside of quotas; reducing the quota by 8 times had no effect.
TRP quota in 2015: 151 thousand - 210 thousand received citizenship.
TRP quota in 2022: 19 thousand - 690 thousand received citizenship.

It’s pure manipulation when the number of citizenship issues increases, the reason for this was the emergence of new territories in Russia in 2022, issued to them for issuing citizenship to guest workers from the SA.
Even the title of his article “1,7 trillion rubles spent on payments to children of unemployed and migrants in 2023” contains a forgery. He added the word migrants, although in 2023 1,7 trillion rubles are payments under a single benefit for families with children. Which migrant workers cannot receive - they are not citizens. Visit the official website sfr.gov.ru and see that it is clearly written there in black and white. Moreover, in all the news where they talked about this payment of 1,7 trillion about migrants, there is not a single word, this is the author’s fantasy, consistent with the intent of his article. And the entire text of the article is exactly the same selection of forgeries.

Such that debt cancellation is for the benefit of their countries, and their remaining families

Your answer is not related to the question you were asked.

A couple of yards of greenery taken from the Russian economy is what in your understanding? There would be no difference if these yards remained in the Russian Federation - do I understand your undoubtedly brilliant idea correctly?

They showed you with a simple example that there is no conclusion. Your LABOR PRODUCT remains in the country. Money is not the product itself, but only an equivalent.

Yes, in fact, your chain does nothing. This speculative conditional example of yours, called “Migrant - 100 rubles”, is nothing. The construct requires real calculations.

In essence, it shows that stories about “impoverishment as bad migrants transfer money home” are unfounded. Let me remind you that you still have not indicated where the “chain” is incorrect. And its simplicity is precisely what helps prevent unnecessary clutter from getting tangled up in three pines.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

I didn’t notice that you demanded justification from him.

What does Seversky have to do with it? You wrote that:

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

There are two participants in the conversation - you and me

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

issued to them for issuing citizenship to guest workers from the SA

By the way, when I say “migrants,” I also mean those Central Asians who recently received citizenship. Because it doesn’t happen that yesterday’s Abdul, who bought citizenship, suddenly becomes a real Russian. But Abdul receives all the goodies in the form of benefits and access to education. And he can also send money from Russia to his relatives who have not yet received/purchased Russian citizenship. And hundreds of thousands of Central Asians a year receive citizenship. So, just a note.
https://boosty.to/nationconsunion/posts/52b1704d-c023-45ff-9e93-4d864c081cfb?ysclid=lua2qqiuqk566410887

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And its simplicity

Worse than theft.
I didn’t understand this chain of yours at all. Why does the bank sell a dollar to a migrant?
It will look like this: A migrant, supposedly, earned 10 thousand rubles, working under a gray scheme, and without paying taxes, sent 5 thousand to his homeland. That's all. No selling dollars to migrants or other rubbish.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Your LABOR PRODUCT remains in the country

Will we still print money?

[Foul skeptic]

What does Seversky have to do with it?

Despite the fact that you used his article as an argument. I showed you with a couple of examples what this article is worth.

Because it doesn’t happen that yesterday’s Abdul, who bought citizenship, suddenly becomes a real Russian.

And what is a “true Russian” from the point of view of jurisprudence? In what units is “competence” measured?

But Abdul receives all the goodies in the form of benefits and access to education.

When does one become a citizen? Naturally. If he has the right to them. Just being a citizen is not enough for many things. Using the lexicon of logic, this is a necessary but not sufficient condition. And this is no different from the conditions that Russians receive when migrating to other countries and receiving citizenship of other countries.
But it has nothing to do with “the alleged impoverishment of the country due to the alleged withdrawal of money by migrant workers.”

So, note.
https://boosty.to/nationconsunion/posts/52b1704d-c023-45ff-9e93-4d864c081cfb?ysclid=lua2qqiuqk566410887

All this Internet advice for mugs is scattered immediately upon arrival at the SFR office.

I didn’t understand this chain of yours at all. Why does the bank sell a dollar to a migrant?
It will look like this: A migrant, supposedly, earned 10 thousand rubles, working under a gray scheme, and without paying taxes, sent 5 thousand to his homeland. That's all. No selling dollars to migrants or other rubbish.

Probably because transactions take place in dollars. A migrant in his conditional ...-camp doesn’t need rubles. Aren't you confused by the fact that according to your link, the amount of transfers is indicated in dollars and not rubles?

Will we still print money?

This childish question immediately shows your level of competence in economics. Understand the concept commodity-money balance and all your fears will disappear
Money is constantly printed to maintain this balance, if only because of its natural physical wear and tear.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Despite the fact that you used his article as an argument.

One of.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

In what units is “competence” measured?

Conditional. The meaning of these units is inversely proportional to “diaspora”.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

If he has the right to them.

The problem is that citizenship is often bought. Bypassing official procedures.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Probably because transactions take place in dollars. A migrant in his conditional ...-camp doesn’t need rubles.

A migrant can easily send rubles, which are converted into local currency.

Article 4
Settlements between economic entities of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tajikistan can be carried out in Russian rubles or Tajik rubles, and, if there is mutual agreement, in freely convertible currencies.

https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/international_contracts/international_contracts/2_contract/47383/

You can also send money from a ruble account to Tinkoff. Conversion into the required currency occurs automatically. The recipient will receive the money in local currency, in this case somoni.

https://iz.ru/1594999/2023-10-26/kak-perevesti-dengi-v-tadzhikistan-iz-rossii-v-2023-2024-godakh

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Money is constantly printed to maintain this balance, if only because of its natural physical wear and tear.

Wear and tear is one thing, but excessive emissions (which upset the commodity-money balance) are the path to inflation.

[Foul skeptic]

One of.

This did not improve his ability to make an argument))

Conditional. The meaning of these units is inversely proportional to “diaspora”.

That is, this is a subjective concept that does not have a legal reflection.

The problem is that citizenship is often bought. Bypassing official procedures.

I understand. But the problem with corruption is not a problem with migration.

A migrant can easily send rubles, which converted in local currency.

It remains for you to explain how the conversion differs from the procedure described in my chain))

Settlements between business entities

Business entities are legal entities. This has nothing to do with migrants.

Conversion into the required currency occurs automatically.

Yeah, only the recalculation is done through freely convertible currencies))

Wear and tear is one thing, but excessive emissions (which upset the commodity-money balance) are the path to inflation.

All that remains is for you to explain where the “excessive emissions” will come from when migrants transfer their salaries to other countries
And the funny thing is that you say that billions of money are leaving the country. Now tell us what happens to the commodity-money balance in this case? And you will be surprised to find that this leads to curbing inflation
You simply do not understand the difference between the withdrawal of capital (which is bad, but has nothing to do with migrant workers) and the withdrawal of the COST part of the balance sheet (employee salaries).

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

That is, this is a subjective concept that does not have a legal reflection.

It has no legal reflection, but objectively, de facto, it is so.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

But the problem with corruption is not a problem with migration.

These are interconnected issues.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Business entities are legal entities. This has nothing to do with migrants.

Economic entity – a commercial organization, a non-profit organization carrying out activities that generate income for it, an individual entrepreneur, as well as other individual, not registered as an individual entrepreneur, but carrying out professional activities that generate income for him, which in accordance with the law are subject to licensing.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Yeah, only the recalculation is done through freely convertible currencies))

At what rate? 1000 rub. We will immediately convert to Tajik somoni - 118,35 soms.
1000 rub. Let's convert to dollars - 10,8 dollars.
Let's convert 10,8 dollars into somoni - 118,35 soms.
What has changed in the case of pegging to the dollar?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

All that remains is for you to explain where the “excessive emissions” will come from when migrants transfer their salaries to other countries

How from? To compensate for the withdrawn funds, banks will begin to issue money.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

You just don't understand the difference

A migrant who sent part of the money to his homeland, rather than spending it in Russia, causes damage to the domestic economy. Not to mention the dumping of wages by migrants.

[Foul skeptic]

It has no legal reflection, but objectively, de facto, it is so.

You obviously forgot what we are talking about)))) What is de facto like this - “the realness of a Russian”? What is “resourcefulness”... de facto? ))

These are interconnected issues.

Only the connection is one-way. Remove corruption and it will become impossible to buy citizenship; unreliable recipients will be eliminated. Ban the issuance of citizenship, corruption will not disappear, it will just receive money from other sources.

Economic entity

Are you happy that you saw the phrase “individual” and decided not to delve into what was written? It says in black and white “income-generating activities in accordance with federal laws based on state registration and (or) license, and also due to membership in a self-regulatory organization"First, you will understand what this means and understand that “activities that are licensed or part of an SRO” impose the same requirements on an individual as on a legal entity in terms of documents required when conducting such activities. This is what the same individual entrepreneur (legal entity), but in a different wrapper.

At what rate? 1000 rub. We will immediately convert to Tajik somoni - 118,35 soms.
1000 rub. Let's convert to dollars - 10,8 dollars.
Let's convert 10,8 dollars into somoni - 118,35 soms.
What has changed in the case of pegging to the dollar?

You cannot transfer directly into rubles; for this, banks need to decide on the exchange rate, so the transfer is carried out at the cross rate through a freely convertible currency. Article 6 of the agreement between the Russian Federation and Tajikistan.

The Bank of Russia and the Bank of Tajikistan will use cross course currencies of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tajikistan against the US dollar.. Regulation of the exchange rates of the Russian ruble and the Tajik ruble in relation to each other is carried out by the Bank of Russia and the Bank of Tajikistan.

How from? To compensate for the withdrawn funds, banks will begin to issue money.

Why would they do this EXCESSIVELY, or have you forgotten your words?

A migrant who sent part of the money to his homeland, rather than spending it in Russia, causes damage to the domestic economy.

How so?

Not to mention the dumping of wages by migrants.

Do you know how the pricing of a product or service occurs?
C=ZP+ZPM+MAT+NR+SP
Calculate how much something will cost you if you increase the salary component. And you will understand that, because of a migrant, you may receive a lower salary, but you also pay less for everything. An example of the difference in prices between Chinese and European goods of the same type clearly demonstrates this.

[Foul skeptic]

Forgot EMM in the pricing formula

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

What is de facto

De facto, migrants are strangers, with their own culture and mentality. For most of them, Russia is not a second homeland, but a food source.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Only one way communication

However, it is a connection. And she is. And we need to fight both corruption and (illegal) migration, which currently represents a breeding ground for corruption.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

It says in black and white “income-generating activities in accordance with federal laws on the basis of state registration and (or) license, as well as by virtue of membership in a self-regulatory organization.”

And what? One migrant entrepreneur with citizenship (legal entity) will employ his fellow illegal immigrants, and they will be happy in terms of remittances.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Therefore, the transfer is carried out at a cross rate through a freely convertible currency.

Well, okay, the migrant will lose some more percent during the transfer. What does this ultimately change?

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

How so?

Without buying goods within the country. Thus minimizing the domestic market.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

And you will understand that, because of a migrant, you may receive a lower salary, but you also pay less for everything.

That is, the influence of migrants is zero. I agree to receive and spend more, but without the dominance of migrants.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

An example of the difference in prices between Chinese and European goods of the same type clearly demonstrates this.

It is also necessary to take into account the quality of similar products. And also the volume of production, which the Chinese will have more of.

[Foul skeptic]

De facto, migrants are strangers, with their own culture and mentality.

Migrants are different from migrants. Even from Asia. A considerable part will even give half of our Caucasus a head start in the matter of education.

However, it is a connection. And she is.

One-sided. This is the key point.

And what? One migrant entrepreneur with citizenship (legal entity) will employ his fellow illegal immigrants, and they will be happy in terms of remittances.

What kind of “happiness” will there be? You don’t understand that we are talking about settlements between economic entities of countries. That is, on the other side a) there must also be an economic entity b) economic and legal relations must be created between them, that is, an agreement for the performance of work or services. The result of which, on the one hand, will be work/services, and on the other, payment for them.
So why complicate life so much if you can just go to the bank and make a transfer?!?! Do you think that this is how CONVERSION WILL HAPPEN THROUGH A DOLLAR.

Well, okay, the migrant will lose some more percent during the transfer. What does this ultimately change?

This changes what you said about "a migrant will freely send rubles, which are immediately converted into local currency"
But this does not change anything in the fact that remittances from labor migrants DO NOT MAKE the country poorer - remember the chain that was written for you above.

Without buying goods within the country. Thus minimizing the domestic market.

Any person has only a certain number of needs at each level of the pyramid of needs. He goes beyond them and doesn’t spend money. If you need 2 kg of food per day, then you will not buy 20 kg of food simply because you can. If you need one kettle, then you won't buy 5 of them just because you can. This is exactly how... accumulations arise. And many Russians already cannot spend on anything beyond the subsistence level. The internal market minimizes the poverty of the NATIVE population, not the remittances of migrants.

That is, the influence of migrants is zero. I agree to receive and spend more, but without the dominance of migrants.

In your “consent,” did you take into account the different share of the impact of the salary on the final cost due to the different share of manual and machine labor in different spheres of human activity? Otherwise, with 6 industrial robots per 10000 population (one of the smallest (if not the smallest) indicators in the world among industrial countries) and that share of IMPORTED EVERYDAY goods, you will have to spend more than you receive. It's a simple balance and simple math. I won’t touch on the fact that in export you will break the price-quality balance.

It is also necessary to take into account the quality of similar products. And also the volume of production, which the Chinese will have more of.

Please note, whoever doesn’t give it to you, this WILL NOT CHANGE the pricing formula, so the impact of the RFP and RFP components will be identical.

[Hypertension]

OK. This debate would make sense if we lived in a country with a more or less civil level of corruption and a well-thought-out migration policy.
All the theoretical advantages of the migrants you write about are offset by reality.
The quantity and quality of migrants that the country and the indigenous population have to deal with does not bode well. Neither for the economy in particular, nor for the country as a whole.
And robotization of industry needs to be developed - who would argue.

[Foul skeptic]

This debate would make sense if we lived in a country with a more or less civilized level of corruption and a well-thought-out migration policy.

It wouldn’t even have arisen among us then))
Best regards

[Hypertension]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

It wouldn’t even have arisen among us then.

Well why? You can always discuss the efficiency of a particular socio-economic factor.

[paul3390]

Not only. Cheap labor slows down the technical equipment of production. Why buy, say, a mini-excavator, if you can hire a dozen Tajiks with shovels? This means that the production of these excavators is not in demand... And further along the chain.

It is not for nothing that there is a theory that the technological rise of Europe and the collapse of feudal relations began immediately after the Black Death... When, as a result of a sharply reduced population, the cost of labor increased no less sharply.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Agree. But property taxes also act against mechanization and automation of labor, making it difficult to own equipment. The mechanism here is cunning, property taxes make it difficult to use equipment, and guest workers make it unclaimed.

[Foul skeptic]

Cheap labor slows down the technical equipment of production.

Absolutely not.
Compare the number of industrial robots per 10000 people in Russia, and, for example, in Malaysia.

Why buy, say, a mini excavator?

Because they will put a Tajik there anyway and save on 9 Tajiks. Which is exactly what happens.

This means that the production of these excavators is not in demand.

They could be sold to countries without Tajiks. So the reason for “not producing mini-excavators” is a little wrong)))

[your1970]

Quote: paul3390

Why buy, say, a mini-excavator, if you can hire a dozen Tajiks with shovels?

the salary of 10 Tajiks is already in the communal apartment. Cost of purchasing an excavator + salary for an excavator operator = increase in the receipt + from 10%.
Which version of bills for housing and communal services do you like better - the current one or the increased one?

[paul3390]

That is, you are an adherent of the paradigm that everything is going as it should, nothing can be done and there is no point - and so everything is fine?

[your1970]

My post is higher

Quote: your1970

Ministry of Internal Affairs statistics for 2020
“40 crimes were committed by foreigners and stateless persons, 200 crimes were committed by citizens of the Russian Federation
2020 murders committed in 7"

To someone extremely profitable set people against migrants - blaming them for all the crime, although they commit around 2%.
Naturally, if you evict them, crime will drop by 2%, but what to do with our citizens who killed 7 people?

A banal eviction will not achieve anything, even if it is possible to eliminate corruption 100%.
In a month, prices will automatically go up due to an acute shortage. low paid workers.
China at one time took off, partly because there were several tens of millions of workers willing to work for a plate of rice a day - which made the Chinese market extremely interesting for Western firms. The USSR had the ability to manipulate the workforce by force - but even it did not always succeed .

[single-n]

Until THEIR children are overwhelmed at such a concert, they won’t really itch.

[Il'nur]

Apparently the beneficiaries are sitting at the very top

And where would they sit if not at the top, we are not the ones who pass these laws, we are not the ones who sign these laws...

[Ryaruav]

The hype will subside and everything will go as usual

[Mikhail3]

That is, an increase in the size of the bribe. Ugh!

[Vladimir M]

Tightening labor migration rules is certainly good. But what to do with the millions of “valuable specialists” already imported, with distributed passports, with national organized crime groups? Will there be another simulation of activities? And how long will the police be able to work in this mode as they are now?

[I'm mine]

In this case, these Tajiks did not have Russian passports. If they wished, they could even come to Russia on a tourist visa. Someone should monitor the issuance of visas and the “back and forth” of all those entering. And there are such organs. Why they don't work as they should is another story

[Vladimir M]

These may not have had Russian passports. But those who supplied them with weapons, ammunition and everything else for the terrorist attack? It wasn’t Budanov and Zelensky who brought all this to them. The question is that they have become a critical mass, they gather in flocks, spit on secular laws, begin to live according to “their own laws,” and commit crimes.

[AdAstra]

One had it, the Internet remembers everything.

[Khibiny Plastun]

Considering that the severity of our laws is offset by their failure to comply, then....
And what about the responsibility of those authorities who ignore the law? Or, like a certain official in the Urals who publicly justified the beating of a girl by migrant savages, why is he still in his chair? Oh yes, in Russia we have random people in power from the very top.
I do not believe.

[Il'nur]

a certain official in the Urals who publicly justified the beating of a girl by migrant savages, why is he still in his chair?

So we have an “independent” judicial system, and the judges are independent from anyone... Until such a system is changed, they will continue to attack us, and there will be a mess...

[Rashid]

Tighter rules may or may not be accepted.

[S.Z.]

Quote: Rashid

Tighter rules may or may not be accepted.

The accepted rules may or may not be followed.

[Popandos]

In fact, order in the field of labor migration management should have been established a very long time ago.

In fact, those responsible for migration to Russia should have been impaled a long time ago.
Russian-speaking and deserving people who would like to return and live in Russia cannot formalize documents properly must wait for years for citizenship. And crowds of Asians have been living and working in Russia quietly for years and they didn’t care about our laws.

[your1970]

Quote: Popandos

People are Russian-speaking and worthy

Who will determine dignity this Russian speaker?
Or even simpler - what is the nationality of my classmate Sergei Sergeevich Sergei?

[Egoza]

Within thirty days, a labor migrant will have to provide a document on proficiency in the Russian language, knowledge of the history of Russia and the fundamentals of the legislation of the Russian state.

Here's a document they can sculpt for whatever money you want. You need to check at the border. If you can’t answer a couple of questions on your own, you’re out of luck, go back and learn the language at home.

[Nexcom]

You need to check at the border. If you can’t answer a couple of questions on your own, you’re out of luck, go back and learn the language at home.

[your1970]

Quote: Egoza

If you can’t answer a couple of questions yourself, you’re out of luck,

From my experience as a customs officer who worked for 12 years on the border with Kazakhstan, I can say that approximately 1/4 purebred Russians who have lived their entire lives in the RSFSR and the Russian Federation - when interviewed, they begin to swear, mutter, hum, sniffle and blush. Some fall into complete stupor. Fill out the declaration form by hand - copy from the sample - maximum 1/3 could. Write explanations by hand - turn out the lights and cry in the dark...
And these are not some kind of malicious violators - absolutely ordinary, completely Russian-speaking citizens of ours who went to Kazakhstan for shopping, for example, or on business, or to visit or to work.
I just loved it when inexperienced commissions came to check on us and set such eagles on them

[bombaher]

Quote: Black

We must take the model of UAE migration legislation as a basis.... a migrant cannot, in practice, receive... citizenship. The slightest violation of the law - get out of the country.... But no tightening of migration laws will help until order is restored in the Federal Migration Service and the Department of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs....

And most importantly, no families can be brought in, only the worker himself comes and migrants live in separate towns. After finishing work, EVERYTHING immediately goes to their territory, they do not have any rights to healthcare, social benefits, pensions, etc.
But so far we have not heard that our authorities are going this way. So, another mess

[Ross xnumx]

A labor migrant will have to provide a document confirming his knowledge of the Russian language within thirty days, knowledge of Russian history and the fundamentals of the legislation of the Russian state.

Our schoolchildren cannot remember the history of the Russian state, but here a migrant will learn...
Must know Russian language and government system. No families or relatives until citizenship is obtained (which is obtained after at least 10 years). Let him consider this a business trip, contract employment.
And citizenship can be issued under special conditions.

[S.Z.]

“And citizenship can be issued under special conditions.”

In this case, there were no Russian citizens.

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: ROSS 42

And citizenship is issued under special conditions

Yes, don’t give it away at all. What for?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

Yes, don’t give it away at all. What for?

At least in order to realize the human right to become a citizen of Russia.
I would be more biased towards citizens with dual citizenship...

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: ROSS 42

At least in order to realize the human right to become a citizen of Russia

But what about the implementation of my rights? Maybe I don’t want my country to be populated by people who are alien to me. Or are these “universal values” that you seem to think they are? Not?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

But what about the implementation of my rights?

And in the Russian state, according to the Constitution:

Article 17
1. In the Russian Federation, human and civil rights and freedoms are recognized and guaranteed in accordance with generally accepted principles and norms of international law and in accordance with this Constitution.
2. Fundamental human rights and freedoms are inalienable and belong to everyone from birth.
3. The exercise of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen shall not violate the rights and freedoms of other persons.

And this is what law enforcement agencies are called upon to do. If they don't do this, then the fish's head has long since rotted...

[cast iron]

Well, that is. Don’t you want, for example, a Russian from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan to return to their historical homeland and receive Russian citizenship?

[your1970]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

Quote: ROSS 42

And citizenship is issued under special conditions

Yes, don’t give it away at all. What for?

Why did they give it to the citizens of Ossetia LDPR Abkhazia and Transnistria?
Sometimes it's necessary...

[Gardamir]

Without a bottle you won’t be able to figure out what they wrote. Migrants go to work in markets. They go to work in private shops where the owner is another migrant. Migrant hairdressers. In most cases, they do not need any permissions. Or everything has already been grabbed and everything has been paid for.

[S.Z.]

I have a lot of friends who hire Tajiks to work at their dachas - construction, repairs, finishing.

All these owners at first hired their own, but after all of them either got too drunk or messed up, or disappeared after the advance, they began to hire Tajiks who work efficiently, predictably, take on any job and do not drink. Prices, however, are rising.

My point is that the foreign labor market is very wide and in demand.

[Million]

They threw us a bone again... Nothing will change...

[Arnok]

labor migration rules may be tightened

The government of the Russian Federation is preparing to make a corresponding decision <....>.

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[antiaircrafter]

The first task is to close the borders until the windows are open and develop and adopt a new migration policy. Otherwise it will never end.
Thirty days to provide documents about language knowledge and other things is too much. The migrant must come with these documents. And when terminating an employment contract, 30 days to leave is plenty, 5 is enough.

[APASUS]

After the events in Crocus City Hall, the Russian government is preparing to tighten the rules for labor migration into the country

ha ha ha

[Catfish]

They'll chat or turn everything inside out. As usual.

[Vladimir-TTT]

We need to start with the government that allowed this to happen, and the president, the head of such a government.
But since they are untouchable persons, all these events are nothing more than a “fart”...

Moreover, migrants are a construction site.
They are built by human workers.
In which the same migrants then live. Who owns and who rents out the apartments is, as it were, a third matter.
Although not entirely. It is thanks to Muscovites who buy apartments to rent to migrants that all this happens.
And the cherry on the cake is that all these construction projects are financed one way or another by our state from the budget.

[AdAstra]

"...and the president, the head of such a government."
Well, 87,28% rallied and told you in no uncertain terms that they were satisfied with everything.

[Ivan Ivanov]

You understand that “unity” is the result of a tsuk-tswang. If the left had nominated a more vigorous candidate, there would have been a fight.

[Vladimir-TTT]

Quote from AdAstra

Well, 87,28% rallied and told you in no uncertain terms that they were satisfied with everything.

Satisfied means satisfied.
Perhaps these 87,28% are even happy about what happened in Crocus...

[AdAstra]

Ahhh, yes, you say tsuts-wang. Oh well...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Ahhh, yes, you say tsuts-wang. Oh well...

Ok, what other options were there?

[AdAstra]

Options that were, even hypothetically, “ethsiloppas” “etsikh with nails” were “prescribed” and to whom these options were simply thought about too. So I won’t write anything to you.

[Gardamir]

Who would let them show more cheerfully. This one immediately went to the polls and said, vote for Putin.

[AdAstra]

And also for him to wear a hat.

[cast iron]

Half of the country does not know what a leftist idea is and in all seriousness they compare communists with the Nazis. That is why, with the tenacity of sadomasochists, they vote for the drunkard Yeltsin, the blackmailers and bourgeoisie of EdRa, the clowns of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia and other pro-bourgeois “parties”. And then the whole country howls that tariffs are rising, prices have tripled, taxes are getting higher and higher.... Schizophrenia.

[turembo]

And this tightening? This is another spit on its citizens, everything has long been invented, take the experience of the UAE, or other countries with normal migration policies, and don’t introduce exams on knowledge of the Russian flag, when the flag itself weighs on the wall opposite, well, you can’t come up with something worthwhile, you can’t just copy it, at least just introduce the personal responsibility of employers, the Federal Migration Service and other people who think about Russia who say that we need migrants. Your “Tajik” has committed a crime, please go to the next cell......

[ivan2022]

It is useful for everyone to read Deuteronomy chapter 28.
Except “.. A people will come whose language you do not know, and they will be the head, and you will be the tail”...
There is also: “.. you will be a horror and a byword and a laughing stock among all nations.” ....

Yes... s.. gouging your own country in peacetime, like in 1991, is not a pound of raisins...: "Nobody but us!"

[Apis1962]

It is necessary to introduce criminal liability for the receiving person, including for the migrant’s failure to leave at the end of the agreement. And the most important thing is probably to equate diasporas with criminal groups in criminal legislation.

[The Old Sailor]

I serve in the Departmental Security of one enterprise and in the next entrance the Pension Fund. I observe how the “new scattered people” constantly go in droves with their brood for benefits and other beggars. Meanwhile, my deposit in Sberbank (which is constantly working in +, as stated in the media)... I put aside 2 million (not a bad monthly salary at that time) for the funeral of my mother at her insistence.... My mother has been gone for 14 years, but This contribution is still not subject to any compensation. And Puten has pennies for “adinnarot”. I didn't go to the polls. I am not satisfied with any candidate. Comrade Beria created a vigorous mallet, and the SVO is carried out with gunpowder. There, in Ukraine, there is no one and there is no need to feel sorry for them. Just read their comments on YouTube. Putin feels sorry for all these “adinnarots” who despise the peoples of Russia. Migration flows were created by Russian capitalists. From the very top to all sorts of individual entrepreneurs at the bottom. Stalin is gone, alas...
Stalin resurrected and came to a meeting of the State Duma. He walked around, listened, looked... Correspondents run up to him: “Joseph Vissarionovich, what will be your opinion?” - “The Kremlin will be painted green, and the entire government will be exiled to Kalyima and the Magadan camps.” “Joseph Vissarionovich, why is the Kremlin green?!” “I knew that there would be no objections to the second question! "

[Leshak]

Within thirty days, a labor migrant will have to provide a document on proficiency in the Russian language, knowledge of the history of Russia and the fundamentals of the legislation of the Russian state.

in the event of early termination by the employer of such an agreement, the migrant worker will have to leave the territory of the Russian Federation within thirty days

As a result, we get two months of migrants hanging around with nothing to do. During such a time, you can do a lot of nasty things.
Checking the language, laws, etc. should be carried out at the Russian border; those who do not know the language return immediately. After the end of the contract, you have a week to go home.

[Earl]

A labor migrant ... will have to provide a document on proficiency in the Russian language, knowledge of the history of Russia and the fundamentals of the legislation of the Russian state

, which is especially important and necessary for those who work as janitors. As a result, this “tightening” will only lead to an increase in bribes. First of all, it is necessary to fight corruption, but the corrupt officials in power are not interested in this.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

In fact, order in the field of labor migration management should have been established a very long time ago.

Well, who would have thought!

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

They've tightened it up - that's good. This is wonderful. But I don’t fully understand what exactly has been tightened - the actual entry and stay of labor migrants on the territory of Russia and that’s all???
What about citizenship? Have you forgotten about him???
Those. will labor migrants from Central Asian countries enter under stricter rules, give birth to children here in Russia, and will their children receive citizenship by birthright?
And the migrants themselves, having entered the territory of Mother Russia according to stricter rules, will immediately receive citizenship???
Am I not understanding something or are we all being bullied once again???

By the way, what about the responsibility of the receiving employer for the actions of the migrant he accepted/imported? for example, personal personal responsibility of the head of the organization, head of the personnel department, foreman? Moreover, up to criminal liability, with sanctions for accomplices?

[Ivan№One]

fairy tales for little ones
they'll forget in a week
until the next terrorist attack

[Ivan Ivanov]

Come on! Does the problem really exist? Criminals have no nationality or homeland. Tightening must be introduced against those who persistently lobby for this free spirit and thanks to whom, even after high-profile cases, the topic dissolves by itself.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

That's the right decision!!!

We need to limit labor migration and STOP ISSUING PASSPORTS TO ALL FOREIGNERS INDISCRIBLY!!! Allow only necessary specialists to work, those who have learned the language and comply with the laws of the Russian Federation, citizenship only for compatriots, and other foreigners only for special merits.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Agree. Plus, the Kremlin and the Foreign Ministry need to pay attention and react to what the school and social and cultural environment teach the visiting gentlemen. We have already got Ukraine, where anti-Russia has been spelled out in textbooks since the 90s, smart people hinted to the Kremlin that Bandera’s “trend” would end badly for us, and they heard in response - don’t force it, everything will work out. Now any Central Asian republic, starting with Kazakhstan, can potentially open a second front, but the authorities continue to treat them as Soviet, although the society there is already a completely different one.

[cast iron]

There in schools everything is according to Feng Shui. Russians are to blame for all the troubles in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. If it were not for the evil Russian occupier Skobelev, then in the place of the “stans” there would already be great, rich Central Asian empires. The communists are even worse - they drew the borders of the great Uzbekistans and Tajikistans and thereby deeply laid a mine under the well-being of these countries. Who are we waiting for from countries in which, for example, Tamerlane is the national fighter of the Uzbek people against the Mongol-Tatar occupation? 0_o I'm completely serious. Their history lessons in schools are no worse than in Ukraine.

[cast iron]

Have you even read the article? In fact, they will not do anything real again. The government is happy with everything.

[Fisher]

The problem is the lack of a systematic approach. A reason appeared, a resonant event occurred - they began to discuss it. Time passed, a new reason appeared, everything previous was forgotten. So here too, a wave of indignation will pass and everything will return to normal.

[Mazunga]

Yes, what’s the problem there? All interested parties make their gesheft from the local, then Vanya won’t take money for a patent, neither for a language exam nor for registration, it’s a sluggish product, but with a migrant, and even with a family, and even with a residence permit or citizenship, you can get a long haircut of philosophy

[faterdom]

Quote: your1970

No one will cut their profits - they will simply raise prices.

That is the problem.
The market itself will regulate everything only in this way.
And the question is for the state as such: maybe it should establish who can earn what and how much, based not on someone’s private desires, but on public utility? And not vague and muddy, but specific and tough.
Will there be no businessmen? Do we need them, such “businessmen”? Building any object at exorbitant prices, mercilessly stealing and importing slaves?
For me, if there are no such “businessmen”, sometimes foreign or with dual citizenship, then no one will cry for them, well, except for officials, breadwinners, and permit holders.

[Mazunga]

about slaves you are in vain))) soon these slaves will be twirling on the white master’s bubuk I sometimes take a walk on the Aqueduct because on Bazhov in Moscow my neighbors on the floor are Chinese and they are native Muscovites, unlike me, but while you are following your path five times and it’s a hundred meters to walk there, bearded men on scooters overtake this is a common thing, there’s a teahouse restaurant nearby, it’s just Tashkent, and in Avoska there are cashiers and oh=wound Kazakhs went to the City Health Department and there are pharmacists in headscarves, all black, well not in niqabs yet, and that’s all in area about two kilometers away, by the way, they often scold Kotelniki, so there’s a clean, pretty area, a large bus station, a parking lot for minibuses and all the Asians)) the Slavs only flash at the metro station

[Mint Gingerbread]

How sometimes there is a lack of a service that would work in parallel with the FSB, but with much more expanded powers. To grab by the gills those who cannot be grabbed.

[Skiff]

That is, in order to limit and regulate the entry of animals into the Russian Federation, 133 innocent people had to die? This is all very strange.

[cast iron]

Nobody is going to limit anything. As long as the current blackmailers and speculators are in power, nothing will change. Just chatter all around.

[S. Viktorovich]

No meaningful state is visible. policies regarding migration from Central Asia. One can see the struggle of interests of different economic interests and corruption.

[23ronin]

Until the Khusnulinism is eradicated there will be no point; people interested in attracting foreigners, that is, extracting excess profits, will not go anywhere. The same Agalarov who built it?...absolutely violation of SNiPs, failure to put the building into proper operation, covering up responsible persons with bribes...we start “scratching our turnips” only after a tragedy happens. This is to be expected when attracting foreigners. Pay our builders money and you don’t need to involve anyone, the administration of the Amur region has proven this.

[shurik-063]

For all migrants, you need to re-enter the country, but in accordance with the law, which is 100% respected! I think half of them will drop out right away. Those remaining should wear monitoring bracelets. Requires you to go and report to the local police officer. Then there will be an idea of ​​who is where and what they are doing.

[Aleksandr58]

Who will analyze it? The same Khusnullin is one of the main lobbyists for the import of essential goods. Until such officials, and even the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who give passports left and right to Asians (but not Russians!) and foreigners, are given a good kick, all this nasty stuff will continue.

[Div Divich]

Migrants are not only Tajiks, there are many different ones, and everyone needs to be studied in order to then choose who to take and who not to take. I would even say that you need to filter not by nationality, but by benefit to the country, so that they develop the country and not commit crimes.

[Mazunga]

the main thing is that everything is tolerantly friendly and smells like pilaf)))

[Ak.Aleks]

Old songs about the main thing.

"Prep class." The State Duma wants to force migrants to undergo training in their homeland before entering Russia:

https://ok.ru/tsargradtv/topic/156017540343168

I would like to know - at whose expense is the banquet?

As a result, our Russian soldiers will return from Putin’s First Front, and in Russia there are already IGO migrants.
https://cont.ws/uploads/messages/5d/4c/d5/9a/87d7b1821094d9ef1da77fd9.jpg

[cast iron]

Well, okay. Russian migrants from Central Asia will again have to take an exam on their knowledge of the Russian language. I didn't expect anything else from EdRa.