The Russian army will completely switch to a new uniform by 2015.

The Russian army will once again change its appearance by the year of 2015. It is by this date that the Russian Ministry of Defense expects to complete the introduction of a new military uniform in the Russian army. The corresponding statement was made by the Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Dmitry Bulgakov. According to him, the schedule of transition but a new form has already been drawn up and was approved by the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu. This year, it has already received 100 000 military personnel, mainly from units deployed in the Far North, Dmitry Bulgakov told reporters, summing up the conference call, which was held at the central command post of the Russian General Staff.

It is worth noting that in recent years this is not the first attempt to completely change the Russian army into a new type of uniform that meets the requirements of the times. The first large-scale attempt was made during the past Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov. According to various estimates, the disguise of the Russian army cost the taxpayers about 25 billion rubles. How much will cost the introduction of a new form of the Russian budget, and how much money has already been spent on its development so far we can only guess.

In any case, a new round in stories A new military uniform of the Russian army began not now, but in the 2007 year, when the Russian Defense Ministry made a number of statements about the need for reform. The then Minister of Defense of Russia, Anatoly Serdyukov, initiated the modernization of military uniforms. After that, Deputy Minister of Defense Vladimir Isakov told the media that the reform of the military uniform was indeed in the plans of the defense department, and the famous Russian fashion designer Valentin Yudashkin was named among the developers of the new uniform and its sketches. As a result, it was his sketches that won the announced competition, and the development of new uniforms took about 2 years. In February, 2008, a collection of experimental forms, was approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin, and in 2010, a new form was officially introduced into the army.

The introduction of a new form entailed a number of changes that could not go unnoticed. So, in particular, the location of the epaulets changed; they moved from the shoulders to the sleeve and to the chest of the servicemen. In addition, in the army appeared tight overcoats, elements of clothing with velcro, the officers had sweaters for the first time in the history of the armed forces. Also, in the army, foot-cloths and boots were to be abolished, but it was not possible to achieve their complete replacement by the previous leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry.

Over time, the new form began to cause more and more complaints and dissatisfaction from the military. In the winter of 2011-2012, a survey of military personnel revealed its main shortcomings. Also, with the introduction of a new form in the army, massive cases of soldiers catching cold were recorded. In total, over the 2011-2012 of the year in the army, more than 6 thousands of servicemen were surveyed. Most often in the answers there were claims to the shoulder straps: “in the belly, like in NATO, and we used to be on our shoulders”. This remark was followed by complaints about the quality of velcro (shaggy), fabrics (tearing), buttons (fraying threads), threads (weak). The main disadvantage of the new form was the fact that it absorbs moisture well and willingly, but at the same time reluctantly evaporates it and retains heat poorly at outside temperatures below -15 degrees.

All this was the reason that in November 2012, Valentin Yudashkin made an official statement that he had nothing to do with the new military uniform, explaining that the military had made significant adjustments to the models on their own. In particular, other heaters and fabrics were used to reduce the cost of production. At the same time, journalists began to say that only cut elements remained from the Yudashkino form.

Grievances from the military and dissatisfaction of the military naturally reflected in the work on the new military uniform. According to Colonel Mikhail Chechetkin, deputy head of the clothing department of the Department of Resource Support of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, a new set of ordinary field uniforms will include 19 items of clothing; set of equipment. The new uniform is based on the principle of layering. The servicemen of the Russian army will be able to independently combine form objects, depending on the tasks assigned to them and the weather conditions. According to Chechetkin, the new field uniform will be the same for both soldiers and officers. The new uniform consists of a suit, several types of jackets, a vest, a beret, a hat, 35-type boots (summer, winter and demi-season), mittens, gloves, and for the first time a balaclava was included in the composition of military personnel. According to the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the new form will be made of blended fabric on 000% consisting of cotton and 3% of polymeric materials.

The introduction of a new form leads to a number of innovations. The shoulder straps to the joy of the disgruntled will again be returned to their rightful place - on their shoulders. Also, the military will get rid of such atavism as hemming a turn-up, and the leather belt will be replaced with a synthetic one. In addition, it was decided to put an end to footcloths once and for all, fully providing all soldiers with socks.

Re-equipping the army with a new uniform should be completed by the end of 2015. According to Dmitry Bulgakov, 2013 100 people will receive a new form in 000, 2014 thousands more in 400, and the remaining 2015 thousands of servicemen in the 500 year. Thus, by the end of 2015, the military is going to provide a million uniforms and soldiers for the Russian army with a new military uniform.

Speaking about providing Russian soldiers with socks, Dmitry Bulgakov noted that in 2013, the Russian Defense Ministry would purchase about 3,5 million pairs of socks for each type of clothing. In 2013, the Ministry of Defense expects to fully meet the needs of all soldiers in socks, the deputy minister said, adding that currently all soldiers are given 12 pairs of socks per year, and the Russian army is going to switch to 24 socks pairs annually.

Dmitry Bulgakov also told reporters about the progress of the barracks with shower cabins. Currently, 50 is equipped with shower cabins for the reconstruction of military camps. The next stage of work involves equipping units with similar equipment that are located at a distance from large cities. According to Bulgakov, at the present time, about 40% of the personnel of the Russian army is already using new services. Confirming the words of his deputy, February 4, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, said that showers will be installed in all Russian military units before the end of 2013. In total, in the army, according to the approved network schedule, about 50 thousands of shower rooms will have to be equipped.

Information sources:
-http: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20130204/921175304-print.html
-http: //rus.ruvr.ru/2013_02_04/RF-budet-provodit-uchenija-vseh-flotov-v-dalnej-morskoj-zone/
-http: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20121224/916023700.html
-http: //www.aif.ru/society/article/57454

Comments

[Denis_SF]

Once again. Well, maybe slowly, constantly changing something, we’ll reach something decent. But the replacement of footcloths is a rather dubious thing. Or maybe someone from the top of the MO has their own sock factory?

[BruderV]

Yeah, an eight-layer uniform that will cost at least 60 thousand will go very well with the pickaxes and footcloths. Looting is apparently ineradicable. Show me at least one contractor or kirzach officer. For some reason, everything is in berets, moreover, normal American membranes, in which you can stand in the water for half a day, but this is a mystery.

[urry79rus]

And where did I see such ??? officers simply don’t give out kirzachi ... in our frosts, and even in the field, what to hell with ankle boots ... VALENKI, He himself wore and forced others. I repeat, ankle boots are good for "winter apartments" and parades.

[BruderV]

The fact that you are minted on the parade ground in the barracks and the fact that the combat units are two big differences. Just yesterday, at least there was a topic about the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Ingushetia, there are no kirzachs there! I know a lot of people who have been there, the same reviews. I, too, will repeat the NORMAL berets with a membrane do not go to any comparison with the pickaxes. Felt boots for the north, of course, a very useful thing, but you can replace them, another question is that we still have nothing.

[Zynaps]

that's what I love the theorists of kung fu for is their absolute, chemically pure cleanliness. We open the book of American General Omar Bradley "Notes of a Soldier" and find an episode on the German offensive in the Ardennes, when a fairly significant number of American troops fought surrounded for a short time at temperatures from about -12 to -16. quote:

“To top it off - as if combat losses alone were not enough - about 12 thousand people fell ill with rheumatism of the legs and were also out of order.

Although patients with rheumatism belonged to the category of non-combat losses, nevertheless, rheumatism caused us heavy damage at the front, where each failed soldier weakened the power of our attack. Diseases of rheumatism of the legs were caused by their constant dampness ...

It led to persistent damage to the peripheral vessels of the lower extremities. Of the 12 thousand soldiers who suffered from rheumatism and were evacuated to the rear of the soldiers, the majority, according to doctors, turned out to be permanently unsuitable for military service. Many remained disabled for life.
By the end of January, the disease of rheumatism of the legs reached such a large scale that the American command was at a standstill. We were completely unprepared for this disaster, partly as a result of our own negligence; by the time we started to instruct the soldiers on what foot care is needed and what to do to keep the boots from getting wet, rheumatism had already spread through the army with the speed of the plague ... "

which is characteristic: the Americans had high-quality cowhide boots on rubber. and at the same time received a division of sanitary losses during (frankly) not very impressive frosts. among the Germans, only the bottom of the shoe was made of leather, and the bootlegs were made of tarpaulin. but the Germans' sanitary losses from frostbite were significantly lower. among other things, it has been heard repeatedly from the reenactors that the Germans willingly used Soviet captured troopers, rearranging the German sole.
I also remind you that they went to the beautiful American boots in the kit
protective gaiters, like a surrogate shaft for protecting legs to the knee from thorns, wire, fragments and fragments of any kind. but the gaiters were saving much worse.

there’s a speech about what. In our time, kirsa is an unconditional anachronism. there are much more advanced and interesting new materials. but a bunch of boots + footcloths for the Russian army there is no alternative. This is confirmed by generations of soldiers, hunters, explorers. the footcloth, unlike socks, can be rewound and the wet corner will dry and bask around the lower leg. it is not possible to dry socks with such a simple and elegant Makar. a correctly wound footcloth will not slip and will not rub your legs. in the case of force majeure (and war is a complete force majeure and deprivation) it will be easy for rear officers to supply troops with footcloths from improvised materials. in boots you can walk in rather deep places, they protect the leg above the ankle. and the soldier doesn’t have to climb the most comfortable places.
so the only thing is to give the soldier a modern, high-quality, massive boot. and leave the footcloths. because the current situation with army mass shoes is precisely what the victory horseradish knows what is above reason.

leave boots on guard, and for running around to replace them with boots - this is much more convenient at the same warmth.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zynaps

but a bunch of boots + footcloths for the Russian army there is no alternative.

Maybe then ordinary boots with windings are better? Well, or bast shoes, even cheaper. Better yet, let them serve in their own.

The cause of "trench disease" in the American army is not at all in the material of the bootlegs.

[Zynaps]

Quote: Spade

Maybe then ordinary boots with windings are better? Well, or bast shoes, even cheaper. Better yet, let them serve in their own.

Before clever, learn to read written. I’m not saying anymore - understand what is read. and then this item, apparently, may already be quite transcendental strain.

Quote: Spade

The cause of "trench disease" in the American army is not at all in the material of the bootlegs.

now laugh after the word "shovel"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zynaps

now laugh after the word "shovel"?

No. Learn materiel. "Trench disease" was earned by Americans in suede boots "Buckle Combat Boots". Which strongly absorbed water.

Well, due to the fact that you initially proceed from the wrong message, everything that you wrote loses its meaning. Carry a delightful tarpaulin yourself. With its constant holes in the shafts, tearing off heels, cold in winter, hot in summer and humidity in spring and autumn. drying insoles

[Zynaps]

Quote: Spade

Not. Learn materiel.

present materiel. with an explicit indication that in the Ardennes all 12 thousand sanitary losses from frostbite of the feet used exclusively suede boots.

Quote: Spade

Well, due to the fact that you initially proceed from the wrong message, everything that you wrote loses its meaning.

but how can I tell you ... my IMHO would not make sense if I myself did not have some experience in the service in Transbaikalia in the 24th division, as well as a similar opinion of many other service people.

Quote: Spade

Carry a delightful tarpaulin yourself.

my friend, I propose once again to re-read my message and poke a finger at the place where I admire the kirsa. if there will be notes of delight, I will here repentantly devour my earflaps. if not, you'll wag your tail.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zynaps

present materiel. with an explicit indication that in the Ardennes all 12 thousand sanitary losses from frostbite of the feet used exclusively suede boots.

Only after you provide data that all 12 thousand sanitary losses from frostbite occurred due to the fact that the Americans had leather and not tarpaulin bootlegs.

Quote: Zynaps

but how can I tell you ... my IMHO would not make sense if I myself did not have some experience in the service in Transbaikalia in the 24th division, as well as a similar opinion of many other service people.

You decided to surprise me with the experience of people who never really wore a kirsu?

Quote: Zynaps

my friend, I propose once again to re-read my message and poke a finger at the place where I admire the kirsa. if there will be notes of delight, I will here repentantly devour my earflaps. if not, you'll wag your tail.

Quote: Zynaps

but a bunch of boots + footcloths for the Russian army there is no alternative.

Chew, dear.

Better yet, tap this non-alternative bundle on your feet with mine.
I carried her for five years, extinguished the bull’s heel on my first summer vacation. And after the second course, the top ten with a footcloth parachuted. And I still have problems with my legs.

[Zynaps]

Quote: Spade

Only after you provide data that all 12 thousand sanitary losses from frostbite occurred due to the fact that the Americans had leather and not tarpaulin bootlegs.

No, half-honored. you moved the poppycock here - and you puff. and you wag booty. I at least referred to General Bradley. and you don’t even understand what extrapolates.

Quote: Spade

You decided to surprise me with the experience of people who never really wore a kirsu?

continue to wag your ass and think of a gag?

Quote: Spade

Chew, dear.

it’s better for you, half-respected, to chew than to speak.

Quote: Spade

Better yet, tap this non-alternative bundle on your feet with mine.

what are you, sickly! Well you alone in the whole world dragged boots with footcloths. millions before and after you moved farting steam, ran in three heights above the ground and did not know troubles. for suffering take a pie from the shelf, adit ...

Quote: Spade

And after the second course, the top ten with a footcloth parachuted. And I still have problems with my legs.

Who are you the Angry Pinocchio, if after the second course you did not learn to wind the footcloths? I guess, some kind of highly intelligent fence-building school, for the gifted?

but to read - I’m not saying anymore - you still haven’t been taught to understand what you read. dyslexia is called. They say it’s being treated.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zynaps

No, half-honored. you moved the poppycock here - and you puff. and you wag booty. I at least referred to General Bradley. and you don’t even understand what extrapolates.

Did General Bradley write something about the benefits of tarpaulin tops over leather? Or nonsense about this from another source?

Quote: Zynaps

what are you, sickly! Well you alone in the whole world dragged boots with footcloths. millions before and after you moved farting steam, ran in three heights above the ground and did not know troubles. for suffering take a pie from the shelf, adit ...

And you, actually, how much have you reviled? Hardly as much as I am, otherwise they would not have given birth to a great phrase about "no alternative link".

Quote: Zynaps

Who are you the Angry Pinocchio, if after the second course you did not learn to wind the footcloths? I guess, some kind of highly intelligent fence-building school, for the gifted?

Oh ... Yes, you certainly did not wear them. Here, damn it, Ykspertov divorced.
After two and a half years of wearing "no alternative bundle" legs are no longer erased, as do not shake footcloths.

I see, the vast majority of lovers of boots with footcloths never really wore them.

[Psychojoker]

He wore boots and boots, even if not in the army. High-quality and correctly fitted to the leg berets - a great thing! It is easier, more convenient and moving in them was much easier and more comfortable. By the way, you can get wet even in boots, even in a spacesuit. However, in winter, the berets already became tight - fingers froze, and the accumulated sweat only aggravated the situation. Good boots turned out to be more practical here, because they were above the level of the snowdrift and I got into them with thick socks. Tumbling in the snowdrifts, of course, is less convenient in them and the mobility was somewhat lost (maybe from a habit, I don’t know), but I would hardly move briskly with freezing legs. So, citizens, comrades, it would be more correct to judge by quality. I had shitty berets - I was tormented to die. Horseradish boots left the same impression

[Massik]

here in the latter I don’t agree with you I would look at YOU when you wind up footcloths, if you need to get dressed in all 150 people, arm yourself and equip yourself at 03.25, yes, there were unpleasant legs problems, but not fatal, but now it seems even cast-iron boots get smoothed faster than feet.

[BruderV]

Dear, well, you still remember the Battle of Kulikovo here. After reading for the Finns and Norwegians, I was already scared. ETOGES it is necessary to serve beyond the Arctic Circle in berets, but they are all with dentures there probably instead of legs.

[Zynaps]

Quote: BruderV

Dear, well, you still remember the Battle of Kulikovo here

thanks, of course, but I don’t have any relatives with your persecutor, and I carefully choose friends for myself.

Quote: BruderV

After reading for the Finns and Norwegians, I was already scared. ETOGES it is necessary to serve beyond the Arctic Circle in berets, but they are all with dentures there probably instead of legs.

worry further about the army with a shorter service life and reliance on guerrilla warfare. in dates, the m / 62 uniform implies the presence of boots. especially in winter. compared, too, opu with a finger - dull Scandinavians with a huge country having a bunch of climatic zones and a diverse landscape.

[ikrut]

Quote: Zynaps

a bunch of boots + footcloths for the Russian army there is no alternative. This is confirmed by generations of soldiers, hunters, explorers

I agree with you 100%. He himself wore boots in the army. And in civilian life, he "walked" a lot in the North and Siberia. Only hikes of the fifth category with slides, swamps, rivers - I have seven behind my shoulders. Those. I can imagine a little and boots with footcloths and good shoes for serious and long transitions.
My opinion is that the army needs footcloths. Even if along with them there will be berets with socks for the barracks and parades.

[tracer]

You have not beguiled the climate in the south? He himself served in the mountains in a subtropical climate. And believe me there boots out of place. But in the north of Russia, where it happened to live for a long time, there are legs in an instant in berets frostbitten.

[itr]

Boots are good for parades

[Filin]

urry79rus
And where did I see such ??? officers simply don’t give out kirzachi ... in our frosts, and even in the field, what to hell with ankle boots ... VALENKI, He himself wore and forced others. I repeat, ankle boots are good for "winter apartments" and parades.

Have you tried to jump from a parachute in boots or walk in them in the mountains ??
I tried a lot of different shoes. There is no universal tool, but boots are not suitable for mobile troops. Now there are a lot of decent shoes that will give odds to boots on all counts. So why go back to the last century ??

[Iraclius]

Filin, I will say this - as they walked in the cold in a strong wind on a guard in felt boots, they will continue to walk. They haven’t come up with anything better in Russia. For two hours at the post you’ll just be fucked in these membrane berets. and in America, in Alaska and their other deaf-males, everything is so healthy only because people are cherished there and once again they do not stick their noses out of the warm houses.

[leon-iv]

They haven’t come up with anything better in Russia. For two hours at the post you’ll just be fucked in these membrane berets. and in America, in Alaska and their other deaf-males, everything is so healthy only because people are cherished there and once again they do not stick their noses out of the warm houses.
For this, the bourgeois came up with tinsulate primaloft and so on and so forth.

[Iraclius]

Quote: leon-iv

For this, the bourgeois came up with tinsulate primaloft and so on and so forth.

If possible, then in more detail about these things. Preferably, not advertising brochures, but real reviews of people working in extreme conditions.

[GG2012]

Quote: Iraclius

FILIN, I will say this - as they walked in the guard in felt boots in the cold and strong wind, they will go on like that. They haven’t come up with anything better in Russia. For two hours at the post you’ll just be fucked in these membrane berets. and in America, in Alaska and their other deaf-males, everything is so healthy only because people are cherished there and once again they do not stick their noses out of the warm houses.

Here is the real opinion of the men serving now about the new "digit"
http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/7257-tsifra-vzglyad-iz-vojsk

Brief summary of the article:
in terms of quality, the "figure" was made for the joy of the enemy, and sorrow for our soldiers.

[Lopatov]

Quote: GG2012

Here is the real opinion of the men serving now about the new "digit"

This is not a new form. The one called "Yudashkin"

[Filin]

Iraclius
I will say this - as they walked in a guard in boots in cold weather and a strong wind, they will go

Felt boots in the guard, as well as a sheepskin sheepskin coat, weighing 15 kg - can be attributed to special clothing. It is one thing to stand on guard, another thing to RUN in them. Now it’s still not 1941, so that the troops make marches in felt boots. Yes, and there will be more technology.
I spoke only for mobile troops. And signalmen, support companies, etc. ... can walk even in felt boots, even in kirzach. Each type of activity should have its own shoes. At least 5 species.
For motorized riflemen, artillerymen, engineering troops - kneading clay, servicing equipment, digging trenches and so on - boots with high shafts are the most.
For parts stationed in the north, in Siberia - there should be high-quality winter shoes with good thermal socks.
For mobile troops - high-quality boots with high berets ..
Plus of course the summer and winter options.
Now this whole set will cost not so fabulous money.
For bulk purchases for the entire army, a set of 4-5 options will cost around 7 thousand rubles. Not so much, compared with 35-50 thousand for the whole set of uniforms.

[Massik]

huge plus to you especially for the last thought

[Suvorov000]

Well then, try walking in the berets along the tundra, or in other worthy shoes, for centuries people have worked out your survival skill, and here once people like you immediately put everything upside down, and then the soldiers suffer

[Lopatov]

And what walk the tundra for centuries? Definitely not in felt boots, there are not so many sheep.

[Suvorov000]

It’s right that they go to high boots, but they don’t let the guard in high boots, and by the way, where I served, we went to high fur boots, walked in felt boots, walked in insulated boots, but in berets, there was no desire, even officers who are from the barracks ninaga

[Lopatov]

Boots, sheepskin coat, cloak. Guard clothes. They go to the post, and not to the guard.

[Suvorov000]

Ooooooooo gracious sir))))))))) then the guard of law in your mouth and go through it. Charter is our father, read carefully

[Lopatov]

Yah? Or maybe you’ll open application 8 and read it?
Connoisseurs, damn it.

[Ascetic]

Suvorov000,

Back in the Union in Mirny, at the launch site, only high fur boots had perfect shoes and they bought and got them wherever possible. In the fields there are only felt boots in winter, and in footcloths, because if someone is not aware of felt boots with footcloths, there are two big differences with socks. No fur boots, quilts, etc. do not roll. The Americans lived with us in the winter in the field. Everyone is in "Alaska", superbots with almost built-in heating, so on the second day they asked for our felt boots with rubber soles, we had to give them .. otherwise the penguins would freeze

[BruderV]

Well, how is this possible? Winter, the Arctic and they are in berets. Where are the boots, where are the boots? Where are at least kirzachi? Wild people!

[ikrut]

Quote: Suvorov000

go there in high boots,

In winter boots in the tundra go. And at other times in rubber boots with footcloths. And often in kirzach with footcloths. He spent a lot of time with hunters in the Arkhangelsk marshy forests, Buryatia and Tuva. In the summer in the taiga and mountains - only a boot and a footcloth. No shoes. The taiga berets with pleasure take a mow or walk around the house. And in the taiga - only boots.

[Kir]

So the boot is good because not only did it happen, he quickly took it off, there you can also smell it for the bootleg, the same knife, whip, and with the berets, they’ll need to sew them, or they can sew them.
That is why there will be boots, in parallel with the ankle boots, individual "personalities" want to serve or not.

[spok]

i tried and ok

[Zynaps]

I jumped in high boots when I served in Transbaikalia. the very thing.

[Sergeantpro]

Do not mind it. Tailors - they are.

[nchyornyj]

True. one hundred%

[Sergeantpro]

All Arctic units of foreign armies, however, as well as employees of the Arctic and Antarctic stations, have been using boots for low temperatures for many years. Valenoks are good in the village to reach the toilet.

[robinson]

Quote: BruderV

Show me at least one contractor or kirzach officer

Hm. In principle, I have pictures. The current is not visible there. In general, we wore sneakers and shoes with footcloths. And the officers are the same. I can’t understand why footcloths are necessarily associated with pickaxes. Footcloths are just a good thing, like boots or shemahs. Checked by time.

[brelok]

and here are the kirzachi! not bad shoes! You read how many rolled off for the first set! 65 billion! . Now they’ll roll off even more! Is there anyone in our country who will be responsible for squandering money or not? Mr. Putin This time he also waved a piece of paper. And last time, he will answer? Who will return the money? Serdyukov, vice chairman! It’s not clear to anyone why we have country mess? And the existing form is not even bad: Especially the winter version: the jacket is super. The overcoat did not stand next to it! And the fact that they are sick: the form is not to blame. You need to be in the air more often!

[AndreyAB]

One hundred clothes and all without fasteners, but the cabbage turns out to be very expensive, and got excited with footcloths, I learned on my coat that when using socks, this is a constant and sluggish fungus for the fighters, but oh well, but you need to wear a mob reserve sometime , it certainly won’t pull the budget, but it’s very expensive, and practicality isn’t very good. Take a bag with layers with you.

[BruderV]

But for some reason, no matter how you look at the fighting with shoes, everyone is trying to solve something on their own. In Afghanistan, we ran in sneakers, recently, whoever has the money, normal berets themselves buy. So maybe it's time to establish the production of good shoes and give them to the soldiers, and not to carry grandfather stocks? Comments like this are necessary so that once put on, you wear a month without taking off and everything should be hurt with your feet, generally it’s funny to read. Is it so likely with the pickaxes? Another question, what else needs to be explained how to use thermal underwear and puff clothes and on what principles it works, because boots in parts will see eco marvelous, miraculous miracle, thermal underwear and tracking socks will bring down themselves, and soldiers will later without them they will walk with frostbite. But if you don’t deal with the new equipment now, then you can again lag behind for decades and cry like we have a dick.

[Filin]

BruderV
In Afghanistan, we ran in sneakers, recently, whoever has the money, normal berets themselves buy.

I tried several times in the mountains to go in sneakers, when fully laid out. Ankle without support (high tibia) - does not hold the load. Any slipping of a foot from a stone or pebbles from under the feet - and dislocation is provided. In the light, with a BK and a small taxiway, you can also go in sneakers, but provided that there are shoe covers in the backpack))). We walked in ordinary berets or in experimental games and slides.

[Zynaps]

Sometime at your leisure, watch the rather instructive show with the famous Bear Grylls "Escape to the Legion." and you will see that people toil, sweat, lose consciousness and wash their legs up to their knees in fine thermal underwear, trekking socks and the best ankle boots. Obviously, the best choice of a soldier would be only spherical clothing in a vacuum from the fourth millennium.

In Afghanistan, they did not run in sneakers, but tried to get domestic Kimry sneakers. but not everyone got them and did not go to them in the piercing cold. in addition, the war in Afghanistan is a separate specificity of military operations in mountainous desert areas. the main theater of operations at that time was Europe with its forests, rivers and plains. under her clothing was quite adequate. and there is no universal set for all occasions in nature - see "spherical clothing" ...

[Massik]

that's who their problem is in what)))))) we don’t care at all though we just don’t do it and run and crawl, etc., etc. It’s necessary to follow yourself and everything will be OK.

[Passing]

Quote: AndreyAB

but the mobile reserve that you will need to wear sometime, it’s just that it will not pull the budget, it’s very expensive, however,

We have amazing people, they care about the budget kopek as their own. Where is the Minister of Finance! Like, poor we are poor, our caring government is barely making ends meet, and here they generally offer to let Russia go around the world, like give them new machines, give them a new form, which makes Russia such money, they don’t have enough to wear , even one couple per month per soldier takes the last crumbs from pensioners!;)
Where did this strange myth come from, who is copying it and putting it into our heads?
Let's calculate how much money is needed per year for a new form:
The real strength of our army is about 600 thousand people, the uniform costs 35 thousand rubles. Multiply, we get - 21 billion rubles. in year. No, you think about it, less than a billion dollars for the entire army per year, it's just ridiculous money!
For comparison, how much does the maintenance of an army of officials cost the Russians:
... The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation revealed the theft of 6,5 billion rubles by Russian space systems as part of the creation of the GLONASS system.
... Police detained the former head of the territorial administration of the Federal Property Management Agency in Moscow, suspected of fraud for 10 billion rubles
... According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, theft of 3 billion rubles from the budget of St. Petersburg was revealed
Go crazy, a couple of some дeffective managers put in her pocket an amount comparable to the budget for a new form !!!
By the way, if you change socks more than once a month, but once a day, such as cheap disposable ones, then in principle there will be no fungus. It will cost 2 billion rubles to the budget. Lot? Well, what can you say, if one bureaucrat can dismiss such an amount, then maybe the soldiers who guarantee our peace can throw a couple of crumbs from the master's table?

[andrei. 2012]

How they will determine the need for socks and how much they go.
The only option is that the soldier will be thrown a couple of pairs and then they will wear what they buy themselves, or they will send the parents. (After all, someone calculated 1 roll of toilet paper per month).
In general, I think that footcloths are better, especially in wet weather, slush. It’s easy to change them more often (not once a week, for example three, four), they thought better of it

[Son]

Remember the old Soviet film "Peter the First" ..? There is a scene, Peter "spuds" Menshikov with a stick, for the rotten fabric on his uniforms ... Question from the audience: - Who will be now, at the dawn of "entrepreneurship", "responsibility" of business and "the market will arrange everything .." - Peter the Great ..?

[Son]

And, yscho ... And where is the dress uniform ..? By the way, the "mattress makers" have a pretty ceremonial - a day off - a tailcoat. Why not do something like this ... For example: Boots (Moscow tailoring), breeches, service jacket (shoulder straps "gilded") - that is, the uniform of the Russian army ... I would agree at my own expense ... I mean tailoring according to the established pattern.

[Iraclius]

Will a horse, a saber and a wig with letters also be included in the kit?
Maybe, after all, it’s better to have chain mail, greaves, scarlet shield and cone?

[Son]

Well, kid ..! From defeated, so defeated ..! All..! I give up .. You're right, I agree to chain mail ...

[воронов]

If only she was not short

[Lopatov]

Good form.
But it requires careful monitoring of both manufacturers and quartermasters.

[Iraclius]

A little wang mod:

Today, on December 21 of 2015, another scandal broke out in the Ministry of Defense in connection with the identification of embezzlement of budget funds in the amount of ...

***
Judging by the top picture, Kuzhugetych will now turn our military personnel into a Christmas tree - chevrons, buns, ryushechki and bows. Ugh.

***

And the Russian defense ministers have such a tradition - when appointing to the post, introduce a new uniform.

***
Guys, seriously, all these reforms of the Volga Federal District, personally, except for fierce sarcasm, do not cause me anything. The situation is easiest illustrated by the example of those guys who really work in the North Caucasus. Since there is no hope for the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they simply buy elements of equipment for themselves, including sights and NVD. A disgrace for the country.

***
For those who do not know, I tell in a voice - recently, by order of the KCVO, shoulder straps from the chest and sleeves were ordered to be moved back to the shoulders. This is from the "Yudashkin" field uniform. Either cry or laugh.

[IRBIS]

Oh, a huge plus! This is not even funny. Have you seen Shoigu in uniform? The cap just relaxed me - Dr. Evil, really!
And for those who are still "hoping" in hopes, I inform you that the troops are fulfilling the order to "raise" the shoulder straps. The order of the Ministry of Defense states - "to organize in units and military establishments points for raising shoulder straps." Is there more to quote or is it enough to determine the degree of insanity? And there is also about the order strips, which now need to be worn almost on a T-shirt.
I won’t continue, because morning, I want to be positive ...

[Zynaps]

Quote: IRBIS

Have you seen Shoigu in uniform? The cap just relaxed me - Dr. Evil, really!

I had a Shoigi association in a truck - a spilled Black Lord, only for completeness of Kozhedych’s picture it was necessary to paint with shoe polish and give out a patent leather clothes a la BDSM.

[brelok]

Yes! The airdrome has sprung up! Dembel of the last spill!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Iraclius

Judging by the top picture, Kuzhugetych will now turn our military personnel into a Christmas tree - chevrons, buns, ryushechki and bows

That is yes. As in the Ministry of Emergencies, they are also those Christmas trees.

[nchyornyj]

The inscription on the back is required ... Like "Russian Armed Forces"

[moroz2200]

All right! Christmas tree is provided! And according to what norm do 12 pairs of socks for a year give ???

[AK-47]

Also, the military will get rid of such atavism as hemming the collar,

And what in return?
An extra piece of soap?

[Forest]

Underwear (T-shirt + shorts) made of 100% polyester does not inspire optimism, apparently proceeding from the parameter - "durability".

[Lopatov]

Everything is just right here. Modern synthetic materials are better than natural ones.

[Forest]

Only more durable and cheaper). According to hygienic and other indicators, an obvious outsider in front of natural ones.

[Lopatov]

They are more expensive. And superior in terms of hygiene. It removes moisture better, is well ventilated, and less irritating to the skin.

Quote: Forest

According to hygienic and other indicators, an obvious outsider in front of natural ones.

It was so long ago that it is no longer true.

[rubber_duck]

"Less irritating to the skin" - don't need this. Run for two weeks, sweating and not taking off, in both, you will see the difference. Synthetics will definitely rub so that it does not seem a little. Every percentage of polyester, so to speak, booty you will feel the crotch and armpits. She, of course, a real fighter for democracy should take a shower twice a day, but he has a different job. And when you have to defend your homeland, it often happens that the soul is already bombed.

PS It is entirely possible that there is nanosynthetics that are truly superior to natural fabrics in the hygienic sense, but the price will be, to put it mildly, not army ...

[Lopatov]

You just never wore thermal underwear. Give it a try. The kit is more expensive, but worth it. Very comfortably.

[Hleb]

Do you want to say that the soldiers will be given thermal underwear? Or T-shirts with pants of this quality? Right now .. there is a vest, there are T-shirts and shorts x / b and no synthetics can replace.

[Lopatov]

What will be given out, I do not know. They can always replace or "optimize".
But without thermal underwear, which should issue, this kit does not make sense.

[Zynaps]

for a soldier who is deprived of the opportunity to change clothes and wash (and for military operations or serious exercises, this is a completely typical case), on the third day, synthetics will clog with sebum and lose all its magical properties. unlike satin shorts and vest, which relate to the body more sparingly, for natural.

[Lopatov]

And it’s very convenient for a funny insect in them (and for fighting or serious exercises, this is a completely typical case).

I worked, ran, sweated. He stopped, froze like a bobby. But no sebum, which is incredibly pleasing.

[Zynaps]

Quote: Spade

And in them a fun insect is very convenient

dear expert! I’ll discover the terrible: lice are a trench disease. and then, in the same Stalingrad, the Germans and Romanians were removed 200 gr. lice from the carcass, and ours
there were no lice. lice - they love peace and dirt. when you run and dirt - you can’t pick up lice at all, unless you infected the squirrel. and so, lice do not care what clothes to breed. their content takes up much more.

Quote: Spade

I worked, ran, sweated. He stopped, froze like a bobby. But no sebum, which is incredibly pleasing.

Some kind of directly inhuman physiology. a person with inelastic skin.
or at the exits for several weeks, I have never been far beyond the limits of the unit.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zynaps

dear expert! I’ll discover the terrible: lice are a trench disease.

Not only. It is also a disease of SLE, with which from the time of the first Chechen they were constantly trying to fight. But you are hardly aware of these nuances.

Quote: Zynaps

or at the exits for several weeks, I have never been far beyond the limits of the unit.

For a few weeks? It happened. Happened and longer. I had a day in three almost 6 years.

[Hleb]

Yes, what kind of nanosynthetics is there. You can go to a sports store and see high-quality clothes. Only the nuance is that the athlete worked, took off and put on his shirt and jeans, and this is the soldier every day. will be

[Filin]

rubber_duck
Run for two weeks, in sweat and without taking off, in both, you will see the difference.

Thank God, they ran)). For example, ordinary army underpants (made from natural materials) - with a long march, they roll closer to the bend point, i.e. closer to the hips and rub the crotch SO ... while they are constantly wet and sooooo poorly dry. After 50-60 km, a march of throwing in a 40 degree heat crotch was rubbed into the blood. On the trail. day in the field ... the crotch was already beginning to rot, which is very bad for fighting efficiency.
Maybe ordinary army cowards are good. if a fighter sits in a communication car and goes only to the dining room and back.

[Suvorov000]

And you did not try to ask your commanders how this can be avoided))) the easiest way is to simply remove your underpants and no problems

[воронов]

It’s even easier to take off your underpants and not run 50-60km.

[rubber_duck]

Quote: FILIN

For example, ordinary army underpants (from natural materials) - with a long march, the roll rolls closer to the bend point, i.e. closer to the hips and rub SO crotch

And here you are absolutely right. But! Their wrong cut is primarily to blame. You can't sew panties like this! We need swimming trunks. Yes, with elastic thread, I'm not advocating for the linen of the time of Anna Ioanovna. It's just that when I read about 100% synthetics, and then that it "absorbs sweat better" ... In my opinion, the ideal recipe has been worked out for fifty years: 70% natural fabrics, 30% synthetics. Again, this should all be properly sized. And synthetics are for elasticity, not for "hygiene".

Quote: Gleb

Yes, what kind of nanosynthetics is there. You can go to a sports store and see high-quality clothes. Only the nuance is that the athlete worked, took off and put on his shirt and jeans, and this is the soldier every day. will be

And you can go in and see. If not too poor, then buy. It was just not about "worked and took off", but about two weeks of continuous wear. And not "a soldier in this every day," but for weeks. And yes, you are absolutely right, "no one will supply T-shirts of this quality to the troops."

[Lopatov]

Quote: rubber_duck

а about two week continuous wear

?

[Hleb]

similar reaction to his comment
?

[Massik]

show me people who can drown 50-60 km without stopping at plus 40 degrees.

[Sergeantpro]

And what's so unreal about that?
See parts of SAVO under the Union. In central Kazakhstan, we had such a temperature for 5 months a year, and nobody canceled plans for BP. So everything is fine.

[Iraclius]

Quote: Spade

Everything is just right here. Modern synthetic materials are better than natural ones.

Naturally better. That is why natural fabrics are more expensive.

***
Synthetics, synthetics ... I’m thinking, but our fighters do not kill each other with static electricity.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Iraclius

Naturally better. That is why natural fabrics are more expensive.

Look at how much synthetic thermal underwear costs, compare its cost with linen made from natural fabrics, and think a bit why this happens.

[Son]

Mr. Lopatov, please, follow the link ...
http://www.ex.ua/view/20029971?r=1987,23775

[Lopatov]

And what should I see there?

[ruton]

It became interesting to me, everyone is rattling about this form. and she is from +15 to -40. And in the summer, what to go? What do not show? And yet, if the berets are put on socks and not removed for several days, only gum on the lower leg remains from the socks. So to remove footcloths is stupid, and also gateways.

[Lopatov]

It depends on what berets to wear.
If the Russian "crocodiles", then there and footcloths are erased, then torn when wound on the heel.

[spok]

Quote: Spade

It depends on what berets to wear.
If Russian "crocodiles"

so you yourself answered the question tormented everyone
Mistrals will not work without any high-tech lubricants, so we buy at the cordon
soldiers cannot fight without imported boots
so why the hell are we all
shoigu is no better than Serdyukov sawing folk loot in the same way and for the army does nothing but evil

[Lopatov]

Our soldiers can fight in bast shoes.

But is it necessary?

[Viking]

Quote: ruton

And yet, if the berets are put on socks and not removed for several days, only gum on the lower leg remains from the socks. So to remove footcloths is stupid, and also gateways.

But how are the poor people in the other armies tormented, where they have not heard of such animals as footcloths and gateways? Or maybe they simply pay special attention to the rear support of troops? That the soldier always (or in most cases) could take a shower, drink cold soda in the desert, throw away dirty socks and put on fresh ones, chat with the house on the Internet. Such support for the army is certainly much more expensive than the workers 'and peasants' army, which can live in tents with a stove, and dig dugouts like moles for themselves, and not live, for example, in quickly erected modules, in 4-person cockpits.

[Suvorov000]

In principle, you are right and you are saying the right thing, but a full-blown war puts everything on its own points, and I really hope that you will still go to the next exit if you don’t get a Coke

[Lopatov]

Americans go, why did you decide that ours will have problems with this?

[Suvorov000]

Because we are turning the army into a sports camp

[Lopatov]

A soldier must be in a "black body" and then he will fight normally? Delightfully

[Filin]

ruton

It became interesting to me, everyone is rattling about this form. and she is from +15 to -40. And in the summer, what to go? What do not show? And yet, if the berets are put on socks and not removed for several days, only gum on the lower leg remains from the socks. So to remove footcloths is stupid, and also gateways.

I spent almost 5 years in berets and wore socks. The heat reached in July and August such that the thermometers in the shade simply began to lie. In the Don steppes and in the mountains far beyond forty. AND LIKE THE SAME WERE THESE BERTS)))
The secret is that FEET in intelligence is the key to health and the key to completing a task. Therefore, a GOOD fighter follows this and is accustomed to it. There are always several pairs of fresh socks, only the last loshara-spirits do not have this. With ANY opportunity, socks are erased, if there is no water at hand, then they are erased with water from the flask. To do this, you need quite a bit of water. Then the socks do not fall apart in one day, because they are not sweaty. Socks fighter changes at least 2 times a day.
On any throw march, halts were always arranged near rivers, streams, springs, etc., even near swamps, puddles, etc. (filters). You need to remove the berets, wash your legs (even with water from a flask of 1-2 caps) and change your socks. Feet do not prey and socks serve for a long time.
Before going to bed, socks are washed and dried again even in winter (on the stomach).
In general, it all depends on the commanders and specific fighters. There were those who went without socks, because they torn, lost, passed .. and so on. So no one sympathizes and do not regret.

[rubber_duck]

Quote: FILIN

Therefore, a GOOD fighter follows this and is accustomed to it. There are always several pairs of fresh socks, only the last loshara-spirits do not have this.

And those who are not "loshary-spirits", where do they get these few pairs? Is it not with the "loshar spirits"?

PS And I was born and lived until the age of 18 in the region with and temperature in winter -42 ° C. Since then I have been living in Eastern Siberia, where it is somewhat warmer. I have tried a lot of winter boots, but I have never seen "ankle boots", even equal to high fur boots or felt boots with a woolen toe. I admit that they are. Somewhere. Tourists and climbers. However, for some reason, all hard workers who really have to work in the cold, in "pea jackets" on synthetic winterizer and felt boots / boots. No, no, they are not in poverty, neither they nor their employers. What am I talking about, the Russian army is alive not only by mountain-Caucasian special forces. And I think to change the shape, and non-Caucasian climatic features must be taken into account ...

[Filin]

rubber_duck
And those who are not "loshary-spirits", where do they get these few pairs? Is it not with the "loshar spirits"?

There are always males in any unit, which are all passing through .. they are changing, they are changing for something, they are selling. Who forever rot, manage to go to bed dirty, if they are not forced to wash themselves out from under the stick, go untidy and look like God’s forgive ... Normal fighters have no such problems. Simply no.
And the point is not that someone takes their socks off of them, they are just like that on their own.
I wrote about the fact that with proper foot care .... the legs do not weaken and the socks do not wear out in one day, as some wrote above ...

[kot11180]

The normal form, what is now bought in specialized stores for their money, will be issued. New materials really work and are much more convenient, I know from the experience of the service, and not only my own. One thing confuses - the price of the kit will be very high, will the state be able to provide all in sufficient quantities?

[Lopatov]

Quote: kot11180

One thing confuses - the price of the kit will be very high, will the state be able to provide all in sufficient quantities?

The main thing here is that the "optimizers" do not start their activities.
First, "optimizers" from the industry, replacing expensive efficient materials with cheap pseudo-analogues
Then "optimizers" from the quartermaster office, replacing new kits with junk lying in warehouses for decades.

The kit is good. But only on condition of using "standard" materials and using it in full. Replace the thermal underwear with beluga whales, and the soldiers will freeze in it.

[kot11180]

I agree that the future quality of materials is a big question.

[spok]

Quote: Spade

Then "optimizers" from the quartermaster office, replacing new kits with junk lying in warehouses for decades.

but it will be so
in part issued berets of Chinese manufacture although officers treat ear that Russian

[Viking]

Quote: kot11180

One thing confuses - the price of the kit will be very high, will the state be able to provide all in sufficient quantities?

So here you have to look at the priorities. It may be better to have (for example) 9 nuclear submarines rather than 10, but where the army is not saved on socks, boots and so on.

[Sevastopol]

It was necessary to change the form for a long time. And how the new one will work, only practice will show, it takes a couple of years. Will gradually improve. In Russian conditions, only practice will show. Too different climate, too different terrain, etc.
The main thing is that they’ve taken. Of course, you can again shout that they will save on materials, steal, etc. As without it. But is it better to leave it as it is?
The world does not stand still.

[Igor]

Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, a new set of regular field uniforms of military personnel will include 19 items of clothing, the cost of one such set today is about 35 rubles

Compare the prices of the American kit form in the online store:

Pants ACU Multicam multicam camouflage, Propper

$ 54.99 / 1649.7 RUB

Tru-SpecTactical Response Combat Shirt Multicam

from $ 69.95 / from 2098.5 rub

Cap military Truspek Tru-Spec Contractors Cap Multicam

$ 21.95 / 658.5 RUB

Jacket jacket ACU Coat Multicam shirt multicam, Propper

$ 54.99 / 1649.7 rub

Belleville 600 ST - Army boots for hot weather with a steel toe cap

$ 144.85 / 4345.5 RUB

Belleville 775 - waterproof warmed boots (600g) for cold weather

$ 196.99 / 5909.7 RUB

N-3B Parka Alaska Jacket Green, Knox Armory

$ 89 / 2670.0 RUB

Gloves BLACK SNIPER GLOVES 4395 For cold weather

$ 18.99 / 569.7 RUB

Gloves HARD KNUCKLE TACTICAL GLOVE-BLACK 3463

$ 32.99 / 989.7 RUB

Rothco-9860 FUR FLYER'S HAT - OD Hat with earflaps

$ 19.32 / 579.6 RUB

Military leather belt, black, brown, Solid Leather Belt, Alpha Industries

$ 29.95 / 898.5 RUB

Thermal underwear pants from Gen III polypropylene Truspek Tru-Spec Thermal Drawers sand

$ 24.95 / 748.5 RUB

Thermal underwear top polypropylene Truspek Gen III Tru-Spec Zipper Thermal Top sand

$ 30.58 / 917.4 RUB

Rothco-10357 ACU DIGITAL DESERT GOGGLES 'CE' Special glasses

$ 24.99 / 749.7 RUB

Backpack for carrying weapons, etc. Noatak Gearslinger Foliage green, Maxpedition

$ 119.99 / 3599.7 RUB

Chukka Coolmax socks, black. 6153

from $ 6.99 / from 209.7 rub.

Socks waterproof SealSkinz Waterproof Socks 2190

$ 45.99 / 1379.7 RUB

Wigwam socks are woolen, moisture-wicking. Olive. 6165

$ 16.66 / 499.8 RUB

Army T-shirt with a star. Red China Star OD t-shirt. 60303

from $ 13.99 / from 419.7 rub.

Multifunctional Scarf / Bandana / Mask, Olive, Alpha Industries

$ 9.99 / 299.7 RUB


Total: 30831 rubles, even taking into account the fact that I shoved a multifunctional scarf-bandana mask, a special army backpack, two sets of gloves (winter-summer), a military shirt, glasses and socks for 1500 rubles, and all things of average price categories and good quality, draw your own conclusions.

[moroz2200]

Igorek, you didn’t lay down the interest of our logisticians and commerce .... And so it’s all right, if you directly order from ov it will turn out even cheaper ....

[Nickanor]

Synthetics do not inspire confidence ... Amers are not idiots - they use 50x50, 60x40 ratios in their "uniform" fabrics, but not 100% synthetics.

[Sevastopol]

Don’t blame that it’s not quite a topic, but ... I’m glad for Russia. In Russia, someone else raises questions about how officials steal, bribes there, etc. Moreover, even in the Moscow Region. In Ukraine, the theft of officials and bribes, kickbacks and other things have long been regarded as the norm of life - no one pays any attention at all.

In Ukraine, bribes begin with admission to kindergarten and end with the purchase of a place in the Verkhovna Rada. What power, moreover, is not important.

Kickbacks - this is how the whole business feeds on it, for this only people buy jeeps and apartments for themselves, although they officially receive $ 250-300 a month. There is even a deputy of the Rada from Sumy region - the director of a large trading company, but without real estate and declared a salary of 3500 bucks a year)))

[predator.3]

This form of "NATO threat", the Yudashkins and all the parrots of the world are resting!

[spok]

and to drive knowledge of orienteering tactics and other military sciences into their heads for 1 year

[Hleb]

go here. there are such individuals live ...
http://abunda.ru/105364-dembel-2012-80-foto.html

[phantom359]

predator.3, This is a scarecrow. And these are the defenders of the motherland. They themselves need to be protected.

[Sevastopol]

about the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine - in general I am silent. theft and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine - have become so synonymous that people sometimes confuse these words)))

as an example, now Lebedev from our Sevastopol has been appointed Minister of Defense of Ukraine (though he was not originally local). The whole city was laughing. For the past 20 years he has been a purely businessman; for example, he built water parks, dry-cleaners, hotels, hotels, brothels, etc. )))

Nitsche. we neighing in the city, all Ukraine shawala, no one says anything)) It is much more important to them that in the Rada at the Ukrainian meeting led)))

[castle]

Good day and health to all.
To footcloths, boots and felt boots. They serve in slush, heat and cold not only in Russia. Both Swedes and Finns are familiar with such natural wonders with Norwegians. And the Canadians with USA girls too. And they serve in boots or special polar shoes. Maybe some of them use footcloths, in the sense of personal initiative, but I don't know about it. Here a forum member ruton wrote, I quote: "And yet, if you put the ankle boots on your socks and do not take them off for several days, only the elastic bands on the shins remain from the sock." Not taking off your shoes for several days is a crime against yourself!
And the price of the form. Yes, not for conscripts of the same age. This is true for professionals who will serve at least three years.

[Iraclius]

Guys, why no one asks how, where and with what all this monstrous variety of elements will be erased?
As far as I am aware of the troops, no one has thought of putting laundry in Indesita and Ariston's laundries with gentle washing modes. I mean, that changing clothes will drag along such a chain of logistics that mother does not grieve!

Here Lopatov praises synthetics and thermal underwear. Ok. But how to wash it and take care of it? I am not special, maybe someone who treated him and can enlighten me, Lapotnik. Google helpfully gave me this information:

Many people wonder how to properly care for thermal underwear. Because of this functional underwear has a special weaving structure, and special materials are used in its production, it needs special care and special cleaning, In order for the thermal underwear not to be damaged and not lose its functions, a number of simple rules should be followed during its operation. First of all, you should remember the rules for washing thermal underwear. It should be washed by hand or in a washing machine using gentle treatment. and only in warm water, not higher than 40 ºС. As a detergent, ordinary soap (preferably household) or detergent is used, without the addition of chlorine or other bleaching agents. The use of emollients (rinse aid) and antistatic agents is allowed. After washing, rinse the laundry thoroughly, removing any powder or soap. Squeezing is not recommended, as the shape may be lost. It is best to dry thermal underwear at room temperature, do not use machine drying, and in no case do not iron, as this may damage and permanently lose all its properties and functions. If you follow all these recommendations, your thermal underwear will delight and serve you for a very long time.

Something somehow does not inspire. Especially when you consider the conditions in which this linen will be used.

[Lopatov]

Yes. This is hard. You add here that synthetic fabrics cannot be fried - this is also a problem.
But it’s time to restore order.

Fighters freeze from the fact that someone is too lazy to work should not.

[Iraclius]

I agree that it is necessary. I have already seen enough in my lifetime, so I can say with 100% confidence that everything will again be through the anus. First they will buy forms (most likely, again not the one they ordered!), Then they will understand that there is no infrastructure for service and will begin to frantically look for money for the purchase and arrangement of laundries. And during this time those parties of the form that they manage to issue will become worthless. Well and so on.
If the fabric of the field suits is approximately the same as on the "Yudashkinsky" ones, then this is sadness - after a couple of washings the uniform looks like a rag. How they are then going to extend its service life for 5 years remains a mystery to me.

[Lopatov]

As for the deadlines, it’s really overkill.

Well, as for the rest, it's time to itch. There, the Jews and during the conduct of hostilities centrally wash. And here, until the commander of the unit scratches himself, the soldiers will fry their belugas over a fire from interesting insects. No washing, bath every three to four weeks. Only marauding stoves, water tanks and other artisanal delights were saved.

I have already said about the fabrics. If "thanks" to various kinds of auctions, "optimizations" and bans on the use of imported fabrics, the troops do not go to what they originally planned, there will again be big problems

[Kir]

Lopatov, I apologize for the harshness, but it seems that you are not so much in the topic of synthetics as in the share, especially the fear of bans on the use of imported "raw materials". And with regards to polymers, it's interesting why, to equip the formula pilots, a wool-based fabric was developed. AND?
Besides, what are the terms of "exploitation" of uniforms in various armies of the world?
And I would like to remember the conclusion that natural raw materials can be given new properties in various ways.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Kir

Lopatov, I apologize for the harshness, but one gets the feeling that you are not so much in the topic of synthetics as in the share,

And I have a strong feeling that it is you who are in the stake.
A colleague of Ivanovo weavers?

[Kir]

No, but he studied at Kosyginsky, and with regards to your neglect of the domestic, it may be worthwhile to change your place of residence before it's too late or change your worldview, although this is unlikely to threaten you, the disease is already running.

[Lopatov]

Change your worldview? Close your eyes and yell patriotically "Are we all right, glory to the CPSU?"
Praise tarpaulin, footcloths, satin shorts and stretched T-shirts?
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[Zynaps]

you're some kind of frantic. apparently from limitation. Russians told you in white that it is necessary to take into account the experience of generations, because it has not developed out of nowhere, but at the same time seek and use new materials.

I’ll also add that the problem of re-uniforming the army with just talking in favor of the poor cannot be solved - there the system of theft and kickbacks must first be solved, and the use of new technologies in comparison with this problem is not even a secondary issue.

[Lopatov]

Generational experience? You yourself from your thoughtful phrases are not funny? There isn’t even bast shoes, a skin and a stone ax — this clothing and this weapon our ancestors used for the longest.

[Igor]

Quote: Iraclius

Here Lopatov praises synthetics and thermal underwear. Ok. But how to wash it and take care of it?

They will hand over to the laundry and let it be washed there.

Quote: Iraclius

Something somehow does not inspire. Especially when you consider the conditions in which this linen will be used

It's okay, I generally bought thermal underwear myself, because I went to the guard every other day, but the one that is given out for free is made of a sheet and, as always, according to the old army tradition, it is two sizes larger, and indeed it is not thermal or even linen)) )

[Zynaps]

Quote: Igorek

They will hand over to the laundry and let it be washed there.

and I am a scout in search of "lance" rackets, to the front line I have a width of kilometers (well, or similar exercises often took place). and where can I find some kuyachechnaya for clothes that have been stored after three weeks of wandering? to contact the Bundeswehr? in the Chinese kuyachechnaya?

[Lopatov]

Here's how you go and find out. True "Lance" you will have to search for a long time.

[Igor]

Quote: Zynaps

and hde I find kuyachnuyu for the clothes you remember after three weeks of wandering?

Doesn’t religion wash itself?

[redwolf_13]

And what confuses everything to the point.
Wash no higher than 40 ºС. As a detergent, ordinary soap (preferably household soap) is used. It’s always been like this that they didn’t erase the FS in our barracks of cars. Or did you wash it differently?
After washing, rinse the laundry thoroughly, removing any powder or soap. Squeezing is not recommended, as the shape may be lost. It is best to dry thermal underwear at room temperature. I don’t know about you, but we always had a dryer. A tent was set up in the field with a stove and war. Substitution, lumps, coveralls even in the field tried to wash. I don’t understand when they go to the field with chushkans.
I don’t understand the question about laundries and all the rest of the muddy, okay, the underwear was handed over to the laundry. Well, a couple of times from the garrison warehouse received with "clean lice". Themselves began to wash on Saturday. Who, besides you, does the best wash if not yourself. And if it's fucking it's his own fault.
Although schA life in a new way and telephones and outfits do not need to go. And if they strain, then you can complain to the "committee of mothers who did not give birth." Then you can call mommy, let her erase.
The question is far-fetched. And that is a fact.

[Krasnoyarsk]

It is time to make a normal shape, and rightly so, that they copied from the states.

[mogus]

modern, verified.

[spok]

better good proven old

[BruderV]

Bast shoes and zipun. Light, breathe, environmentally friendly, cheap, put on in the spring and can be worn until the fall. Urgent arming.

[Skuto]

It’s not clear to me. This form is one for all. Do not get me wrong, the motorized arrow that runs and the mechanic who is in the tank, such an abundance of layers can create certain difficulties. Further it is not clear at what temperature how many layers?

[BruderV]

Are you out of your mind? Tankers ALWAYS had and will have their own fireproof suits or overalls.

[Igor]

Quote: Skuto

Do not get me wrong, the motorized arrow that runs and the mechanic who is in the tank, such an abundance of layers can create certain difficulties.

What other difficulties?) In my opinion, the sets of the form have not changed, they just started to sew from another material.)

[Rrrrr]

I am sure that there will be a laundering of $ on fabrics, sadly (

[stalker]

I hope that this time it will be tested as it should, in all respects and under different conditions, so as not to get on the same rake again, and you need to monitor the quality.

[studentmati]

In theory, it’s good. But in practice, how will it be? Soldiers wearer after each other, and officers buy?

[Alver]

this foreman will dress up the MO
in a fire like Christmas trees go - everything is in stickers, but you can’t remove the epaulettes from the half, went to speak and *** and not a pension, if you still didn’t take off your shoulder straps from the army

[Altor86]

Officers are now buying a uniform. They don’t give anything for five to ten years. And be kind to go all over the form. There will be nothing IMHO good with the new uniform. Several parts will be removed and shown on TV by the rest of them to the store!

[Raven]

What's again ?

[phantom359]

In appearance - a good shape. if everything is done as it should, then I think. a big step forward will be. Only in shoes you need to use socks, not footcloths. For those who love this anachronism, wash and change socks on time and there will be no problems. I immediately explain that I dragged these rags and personally, my socks are much nicer.

[shutyai]

I don’t understand what the old didn’t please?

[Massik]

everyone wants to give the soldier a uniform like a spacesuit and a rifle like a blaster, so long as he doesn’t suffer from illness, military service will always be accompanied by hardships and hardships, because a person cannot immediately become a warrior because he will be dressed in camouflage and given a machine gun in his hands , leave the old hb out to distribute Kalash 47e to everyone, but chase them until the 7th sweat throughout the entire charter of the Armed Forces, for the first time they will not need either membrane boots or AK 12, I don’t understand the point of giving the grenade launcher to the monkey .........

[e-froloff]

Motorized forces are a threat to NATO

[MuadDib]

As long as winter begins on the territory of Russia, for a soldier there will be no better winter shoes than felt boots.

[Mrgangster]

they will switch to this form when already the most powerful armies of the world such as Mauritania, Kenya, Liberia and Papua New Guinea will dress their soldiers in a similar uniform) well, in the best case, all soldiers will get their normal uniform by 2025, or even higher

[Mopnex133]

How much can you curse footcloths?
Have you tried not to take off your shoes for 3 days? And how then do rotten legs in socks smell? And there are such situations in the service.
And now there are a lot of shniks coming to serve, whom my mother wore until the end of school. And will it wash every day? He can’t wipe the snot.
IMHO The best option - Afghan, footcloths, berets - cheap and cheerful. And it looks beautiful (for conscripts)
I will not write about the "Yudashkin" form - I cannot say anything good.
And about the new one - wait and see. Maybe, finally, they will do something worthwhile.

[Phobia]

I agree, but as practice shows, the further - the worse. it's like a fairytale...
You say you don’t take off your berets for three days, you wore it yourself, it happened longer even during exercises. Then of course, taught by bitter experience, he always had replaceable socks, a bar of soap, etc. It is good that water was provided - there was an opportunity to wash and wash.
The NATO members have attendants, and they have a better material base. if you need to be washed, they will almost stroke the uniform while you are resting. in other words, your business is to fight - to provide you with them. we went along their path and, as always, a complete ahtung.
the contract is concluded, let’s say for washing and washing, no money has been paid or the salary is overdue for service personnel. all PPC, wash yourself.
let alone banality everyone knows everything perfectly.
Western models, for our corruption, negligence and nonsense, will not work for the benefit - only someone can afford it. then the trial ... the head is free, the accountant, the cleaner, the plumbing will be punished exemplary, in short, as always.
generally agree "flora" for a conscript is an ideal choice - study your 12 months and everything is tip-top.

[Phobia]

Quote: Marssik

everyone wants to give the soldier a uniform like a spacesuit and a rifle like a blaster, so long as he doesn’t suffer from illness, military service will always be accompanied by hardships and hardships, because a person cannot immediately become a warrior because he will be dressed in camouflage and given a machine gun in his hands , leave the old hb out to distribute Kalash 47e to everyone, but chase them until the 7th sweat throughout the entire charter of the Armed Forces, for the first time they will not need either membrane boots or AK 12, I don’t understand the point of giving the grenade launcher to the monkey .........

Common sense
dress even in "sand" or "flora" but do a real thing with a soldier for 12 months.
comes to the point of absurdity, freed from h / z work, gave an afternoon nap,% for me to serve like that - it's a pioneer camp. in the army, a soldier should, once he has come, get skills, knowledge, and not just go for a year.
I don’t know where, but we have% = cut out by censorship =% are sitting, they are learning ogp ... the service does not do nichrome .......

[smershspy]

Form, as I said, all the best in form is already used in many countries around the world! Why go far for the same Kevlar material and much more! Why create a bicycle, it was created long ago! We need to train a professional army! To train specialists according to the principle "something does not frighten as much as a man without a weapon in front of an armed soldier", you need to be able to use the enemy's weaknesses, study and work with each soldier, forming a real professional from him! It must be remembered that any object in the hands of a soldier is a weapon! It is necessary not to create, but to purchase the best for the army - high-quality and new! It is necessary to spend the budget on training and new weapons, equipment, special clothing, but it is not necessary to create a new one - everything has already been created!

[Nikita63]

another money laundering))