How Ukrainization and Indigenization of the Red Army Failed

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How Ukrainization and Indigenization of the Red Army Failed
Parade on Red Square in honor of the October Revolution. November 7, 1925


Russian Red Army soldiers pointedly refused to speak the “Petliura language”, disparagingly called it “Chinese literacy”, and Ukrainophiles demanded to “Ukrainize everything”.



Ukrainization of the Red Army and its failure


Despite the reduction in the program for creating national military units (“If less than half of the Russians remain in the division, it needs to be disbanded”), its implementation was difficult. Thus, in Soviet Ukraine, according to the 1924 program, they planned to Ukrainize 4 territorial divisions. They were going to be staffed with privates and command-political personnel from among Ukrainians, to use the Ukrainian language during military service and in party-political work, and also to Ukrainize military schools.

This policy bore fruit, and by the mid-1920s, the majority of Red Army soldiers in the Ukrainian Military District were considered “Ukrainian” by ethnic origin. True, we must remember that “Ukrainians” were invented as a separate nation only at the turn of the XNUMXth–XNUMXth centuries. among the Ukrainian intelligentsia (Russian in origin), who played a kind of game.

The idea was supported by Russia's external enemies - Austria-Hungary and Germany. The Bolsheviks, for a number of political reasons, decided to create Ukrainian statehood and the Ukrainian nation. In a directive way, by recording natural Russian-Little Russians, natives of Little and New Rus'-Russia as “Ukrainians” (How Little Rus' became Ukraine).

Therefore, “Ukrainians” during this period were Russians born in Little Rus' ("Russians and Ukrainians are one people"; Ukrainian language is a dialect of the Russian language). There were few literate people, so first-generation peasants and workers did not delve into these ethnographic features. Fortunately, Russian remained the main language, and “Mova” was a southern Russian dialect, understandable to all Russians.

Therefore, the Ukrainization of the Red Army proceeded with difficulty. Few of the commanders and commissars fully spoke the “Ukrainian language.” It was created with the inclusion of many Polish, German and artificial words, so people did not want to accept such a language. Only under pressure.

In 1925, in Ukrainized divisions, 40% of commanders and 37% of political workers spoke Ukrainian. In 1926, the graduation of command and political personnel from Ukrainianized military schools was able to cover the needs of two territorial divisions.

In May 1927, the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR approved a 6-year plan for national military development for 1927–1933, according to which they planned to form two more territorial divisions. But things progressed with difficulty.

In 1929, an audit was carried out, which showed that commanders were in no hurry to learn the language and had difficulty expressing themselves in Ukrainian. That many Red Army soldiers do not want to speak the “Petlyurite language”, and because of this, conflicts arise with the “Petlyurists” who demanded to “Ukrainize” everything.

In the early 1930s, against the backdrop of a grain procurement crisis and famine in the southern regions of the USSR, as well as the transition to forced industrialization, the Ukrainization of the Red Army was quietly curtailed.

“Indigenization,” in essence, led to new problems and became one of the prerequisites for a new possible unrest, a war between town and country, and the collapse of Soviet Russia into “national apartments.”

Getting rid of a potential fifth column


In connection with the transition of army recruitment on the basis of universal military service (USSR Law “On Universal Military Duty” of September 1, 1939) and the abandonment of the organizational construction of the Red Army on the territorial-militia principle, national military units and formations, military schools and colleges were transformed into All-Union, with an extraterritorial principle of recruitment. Citizens of national republics and regions were called up for military service on the same basis as all other nationalities.

In this way, The Soviet leadership, with a new world war approaching, got rid of a potential fifth column in the form of national separatists who had their own armed forces. There was also a transition to a unified personnel system for recruitment and combat training, which strengthened the Red Army.

Following this, a decision was made to conscript Karelians, Finns, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Germans, Poles, Bulgarians and Greeks for military service, which had not happened before. But guys from the Baltic republics, Northern Bukovina and Bessarabia, which had just been annexed to the USSR, were not subject to conscription. Also, the Soviet leadership and command had to take urgent measures to teach conscripts from national Ukrainian regions the Russian language. They were poorly owned or not owned at all.

As a result, as socialism was built in a single country and the idea of ​​a world revolution was tacitly abandoned in Soviet Russia, they came to the practice of a single Soviet (Russian) army, traditional for the Russian Empire. Slowly, but imperial traditions were restored. It was a question of the survival of civilization.

From a mixed system (territorial-militia and personnel), the army returned to a single personnel system. Territorial police divisions were characterized by low mobility, poor levels of training and discipline, and could not withstand the armies of industrial powers.

In May 1935, the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks approved, and the Soviet government (Sovnarkom) approved a plan for the transition to a personnel system for recruiting and combat training of units and formations of the Red Army. If before 1935, 74% of the Red Army divisions were territorial police and only 26% were personnel, then by the beginning of 1936, 77% of the divisions became personnel. In 1936–1938 the remaining 23% of divisions were also transferred to a personnel basis.

From 1933 to the autumn of 1939, the number of army personnel and fleet increased from 885 thousand to more than 2 million people. By June 1941, the size of the USSR Armed Forces had grown to 5,3 million people. This was due to the increased economic power of the USSR. The country changed from an agricultural one to an industrial one and could support a large army of personnel.

Unlike the law on military service of 1925, which had a social-class restriction, under the new Constitution of 1936 all social-class restrictions were removed. Article 132 of the Constitution declared that “universal conscription is law. Military service in the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army is an honorable duty for citizens of the USSR."

On September 1, 1939, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a law on universal military service, which completed the transition to a unified personnel system. The law proclaimed: “All men - citizens of the USSR, without distinction of race, nationality, religion, educational qualifications, social origin and position are required to serve armed service in the Armed Forces of the USSR.” All recruits served only in personnel units, which were formed on an extraterritorial basis.


Parade on Red Square, Moscow, 1922.

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The problem was the quality of the new large USSR Armed Forces, it was low. This was especially true for recruits from national republics. The processes of “nationalization” (indigenization) of school and culture in national Ukrainian outskirts took place primarily at the expense of the Russian language and culture, they were relegated to the background. In national republics and regions, priority in the education system was given to the study of the language and culture of the so-called. titular nations. Studying Russian language, culture, stories and literature faded into the background.

Speaking at the October plenum of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in 1937 on the issue of teaching the Russian language in schools of the national republics and regions of the USSR, Stalin noted, not without irritation:

“Where they start studying Russian as a compulsory subject from the second grade, where from the third, where from the fourth, and where they didn’t introduce it at all.”

In the memorandum of the People's Commissar of Education of the RSFSR P. A. Tyurkin to the secretaries of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks A. A. Andreev and A. A. Zhdanov (February 1938) it was noted that

"1. The Russian language is not taught at all in the vast majority of national schools. Thus, out of 728 schools in the Turkmen SSR, Russian is taught in only 321 schools; out of 667 primary schools in the Kirghiz SSR, Russian is taught in only 189 schools; according to 255 junior high schools in the Kazakh SSR, Russian is taught in only 39 schools and only in 7 secondary schools (out of 75 schools). The situation with the teaching of the Russian language in schools in the Tajik, Uzbek and other republics was no better.
2. In most schools where children are currently taught the Russian language, the level of its teaching remains extremely unsatisfactory, and as a result, student performance is extremely low.”

Things were no better with the teaching of the Russian language in Ukraine, where it historically occupied the main place. The Russian school was simply destroyed in the Ukrainian SSR, replacing it with Ukrainian, the Russian language was replaced by an artificial “language”. They introduced German, English, Polish, but not Russian. They tore “Ukrainian culture” away from Russian in every possible way. That is, they constructed the culture of a “Ukrainian ethnic chimera.”

This was a big mistake; first of all, it was necessary to carry out Russification, and only then develop the language and writing of small nations. This excess was not in vain.

Many conscripts from the republics of Central Asia, the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia simply did not speak Russian. Naturally, this significantly reduced the combat effectiveness of units where there were many such conscripts. The soldiers simply did not understand the commands of their commanders; they had a different mentality. And in war conditions there is simply no time for grinding.

Thus, the policy of nationalization and indigenization, which was supposed to strengthen Soviet power and the state, became a source of new problems. Stalin, having suppressed the fifth column in the person of the old Leninist guard, the heroes of the Civil War, Trotskyists and internationalists, moves on to the traditional “imperial” policy for Russia. Towards the rejection of political and cultural nationalization (indigenization) and the Russification of national outskirts. This was caused by the need to strengthen the state, its defense capability and the process of accelerated industrialization and urbanization.

We have one main language - Russian


Stalin, speaking in October 1937 at the plenum of the CC of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks with a keynote speech devoted to the problems of studying the Russian language in national entities, noted that this was largely related to the defense capability of the USSR and the tasks of strengthening the Armed Forces.

Stalin noted:

“We were faced with questions about the fact that those conscripted into the army, for example, in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan, do not speak Russian. In this situation, we have to leave them in place, and then our divisions and brigades turn into territorial ones.
This is not an army.
That's not how we look at the army.
We believe that every combat unit - whether it consists of a regiment, a brigade or a division - it should not be a local army, but an army of the entire Union, form part of the entire army of our Union. It can and should be moved to different areas...
Otherwise we will not have an army. We will have a territorial national army, which cannot be moved anywhere and which does not form part of the army that is the army of the USSR, and not any separate armies.”

The only way out was in the compulsory teaching of the Russian language in the national republics and the preparation of the corresponding law.

“We have one language,” noted Stalin, “in which all citizens of the USSR can speak more or less, - this is the Russian language. That’s why we decided to make it mandatory.”

All citizens conscripted into the army must know Russian.

On March 13, 1938, a special resolution was adopted by the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Soviet government “On the compulsory study of the Russian language in schools of national republics and regions.” The Russification of schools begins, at the same time national schools, teacher training colleges and institutes are closed, and corresponding work is carried out in educational institutions in the territories that were returned to Soviet Russia in 1939–1940.


I. V. Stalin, K. E. Voroshilov. 1937

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  1. +11
    20 March 2024 04: 58
    Dear Alexander! Before you continue, I want to remind you of the parable of the Tower of Babel:
    The Babylonian pandemonium, called the creation of the pillar (the construction of the tower), according to the biblical text, was interrupted by God, who made people speak different languages, which is why they no longer understand each other, could not continue the construction of the city and the tower, they were divided into different nations and scattered throughout the earth. This is how the story of the Tower of Babel explains the emergence of different languages ​​after the Flood.

    The dominance of “foreign” languages ​​in Russia just bothers me. Either the Russian government decided to destroy the federation through the hands of the peoples living in it, excluding the Russian language from compulsory study, or this government is not interested in the continued existence of this state.
    Yes, I am such a Russophile that I want only Russian speech to be heard in public space on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    1. +11
      20 March 2024 05: 04
      When they talk about the “fifth column,” I immediately think, who is hiding the Mausoleum under plywood?
      1. +5
        20 March 2024 05: 12
        Quote: Aerodrome
        who hides the Mausoleum under plywood?
        Guardians of universal human values wink
        1. +6
          20 March 2024 05: 17
          IMHO this is an attempt to please everyone. The mausoleum is alive and well - a delight for Soviet patriots. But draped - a bone to the anti-Soviet people.
          1. +8
            20 March 2024 06: 19
            I don’t understand the meaning of the drapery, the Mausoleum has a place, no matter how you drape it - that’s a fact! He still stands, and everyone knows about him behind the plywood. Well, they draped themselves like little children - they closed their eyes and didn’t see anything...
            1. +10
              20 March 2024 09: 18
              You see here. Very difficult to maneuver. Ukraine has chosen, say, the path of decommunization - and to the point of absurdity, to the point that the monument to Catherine the Second in Odessa was demolished. Here in Lubyanka, Dzerzhinsky’s wasteland is also in no hurry to restore, but what discussions have taken place. Even to the point that “maybe we’ll install Alexander Nevsky so that no one will be offended.” Meanwhile, Strelkov, an ardent monarchist, is in prison. The Kagarlitsky communist also sat down. Our authorities desperately do not like any extremes. They are always trying to sit on all the chairs. With the same SVO, our people most easily perceive Soviet narratives. Get up, huge country. So they give him a new Patriotic War, again against the Nazis, and so on. On the other hand, the Ukrainians have no one but Bandera to raise on their shield. Gediminas is not the Prince of Lithuania. All of us, so different, were united only by communism. And it was cancelled. Well, we’re back to the 17th century and the fight for the national blanket.
              1. 0
                20 March 2024 13: 14
                Kagarlitsky is more of a left socialist.
            2. 0
              21 March 2024 18: 24
              The Great French Revolution was no less, if not more, cruel and bloody than ours. But they celebrate and invite guests there, and the tomb of Napoleon, who killed half the population of France, is not covered with plywood.
          2. 0
            21 March 2024 17: 02
            Quote: Yamatay-sun
            IMHO this is an attempt to please everyone. The mausoleum is alive and well - a delight for Soviet patriots. But draped - a bone to the anti-Soviet people.

            And completely in vain! In France, for example, half of the population adores Napoleon, and half hates him (descendants of numerous noble families). But Napoleon's coffin at Les Invalides stands unshakable, as it is a huge milestone in the history of France. And no one thought of draping him with anything. Because the French are very sensitive to their history, unlike us Russians - when even some patriots of the country try to disgrace our past for any reason...
            Whether it was good or not is the past! This is history, you can’t trample on it!
            1. 0
              21 March 2024 20: 57
              Quote: Peter_Koldunov
              Whether it was good or not is the past! This is history, you can’t trample on it!


              The communists began the trend of destroying “undesirable” history. Or is this something else that needs to be understood?
    2. -13
      20 March 2024 08: 52
      So in this part, Stalin seemed to have seen the light and drowned himself for the Russians?
      But questions remain. Since the USSR was multinational, and Ukraine was generally the largest national entity in the country, then one can probably doubt the sincerity of Stalin’s words that it is necessary to learn Russian.
      The delusional Bolshevik idea that by creating Ukrainians from Russians, then developing this culture, we get a “close-knit brotherhood of peoples,” which in the pre-war period, and especially in wartime, has now completely refuted itself. It is ALWAYS strange for Russians to hear distortion of the natural pronunciation of natural speech, and Ukrainians were annoyed that Russians mocked their language.
      Remember Bulgakov’s “The White Guard”, when they talked about how to correctly pronounce cat and whale.
      Those. There is always a conflict between these peoples and there is no way to get rid of it.
      Something also irritates me, how our modern commentators (Skabeeva and company) suddenly began to unanimously say COUNTER-ATTACK instead of the Russian counter-offensive.
      The non-Russian letters Z, V, CHECKMATE suddenly appeared on our equipment, why is this being done? Who is behind this? Obviously some kind of non-Russian. Moreover, by introducing non-Russian letters, we can again get into unpleasant situations with command and control of troops, this is what everything is leading to. We need to burn out everything non-Russian with a hot iron, and not flirt with non-Russians.
      The creators of the new people do not base their destructive activities out of nowhere, the fact is that the historical reality is not like that, the Russians on the one hand and the new people of Ukrainians on the other. On these lands there has ALWAYS lived another people, the COSSACKS, who do not want to recognize the official history of the OI and, accordingly, this is happening at the state level.
      Many Ukrainians are not Russians in the past, but Cossacks, and they feel it genetically. The culture of the Cossacks is related to the Russians, but is slightly different and we need to talk about it.
      Why are these supposedly Russians in the past, but now Ukrainians are howling with such frenzy against Russian Muscovites, because they feel that they are really different from Russians.
      By hushing up the real history, modern propagandists and the IO only aggravate the situation and deepen the rift between peoples.
      We must tell the truth, who the Cossacks are, where they came from, how the Cossacks always (or almost always) stood for the Orthodox faith and were always with the Russian people, according to Bogdan Khmelnitsky, then our peoples will be invincible in war and happy in peaceful life.
      1. +10
        20 March 2024 08: 54
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        instead of a Russian counter-offensive.

        In Russian - counterattack!!!
        1. -14
          20 March 2024 09: 02
          in Russian, how it is heard is how it is pronounced.
          1. +1
            23 March 2024 18: 40
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            in Russian, how it is heard is how it is pronounced.

            Absolutely true... but it’s not how it sounds at all - that’s how it’s spelled :))
            For example, it is heard “in Russian”, but is written “in Russian” laughing

            It’s strange that you call Skabeeva and others like her “our commentators”, and Z-technique “our technology” - and stubbornly write “Russian” with one “s” everywhere. Do you know why? Yes, because you are used to writing Russia with one “s”. But in Russia this is all written with two, but in Ukraine - with one.

            And besides, there is no Cossack nation. Only a Ukrainian can distinguish the Cossacks into a separate nation. But not Russian! Because any Russian knows that the Cossacks are a special Slavic subethnic group, which also existed in part of the territory of present-day Ukraine (which is not surprising, because Little Russians are essentially the same Russians). But besides this, there were also Cossacks throughout Russia: on the Don (Don Cossacks), in the Kuban (Kuban Cossacks), in the Urals (Yaik Cossacks), in Siberia (Transbaikal Cossacks), in the Caucasus (Terek Cossacks). Are they all Ukrainians too?
            Therefore, only a person with a saucepan on his head, who draws the history of his country from the clinical delirium of Pan Vyatrovich living in a parallel universe and his buffoonish “institute of national memory,” can claim that Ukrainians feel not Russians, but Cossacks.

            Will you continue to convince us that you are Russian?
            1. 0
              23 March 2024 19: 59
              no, I write Russia traditionally.
              Cossacks - handsome - prominent - beautiful, even from the Dnieper, from the Donets, from the Terek, from the Kuban or from Lake Borovoe - the homeland of my ancestors, even from the Danube - these are all Cossacks and not Ukrainians at all.

              So, only a genetic non-Russian can convince that the Cossacks are Ukrainians, let’s say a Semite, that’s what it looks like most, or a reciter of official history, which is the same thing.
      2. +2
        21 March 2024 12: 28
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        Since the USSR was multinational, and Ukraine was generally the largest national entity in the country, then one can probably doubt the sincerity of Stalin’s words that it is necessary to learn Russian.

        You simply evaluate Stalin’s policies on the basis of ideas about the CPSU during the era of stagnation with its ossified general course: what was said in the 60s is still relevant in the 80s.
        During the time of the temporary detention center, the general course of the CPSU (b) was the resultant of the forces of individual groupings of the party - and therefore wobbled like a sailing boat. Early and mid-20s - in accordance with the principle of democratic centralism, Lenin’s idea of ​​nation-states and internationalism in relation to Russian sovereigns is being implemented. And now Ukraine is being generously allocated land to boost industry, the forced Ukrainization of the Russian population begins on these lands, and the enemy of Soviet power, Grushevsky, is being returned from Austria so that he can theoretically substantiate the Ukrainian sovereign state and create a separate history for it.
        30th - the power of the temporary detention center is strengthened, and it gradually turns the national course towards centralization, curtails the rights of national republics in favor of the Center and formalizes the rights, powers and responsibilities of the republics, prescribing them in the Constitution. But it is extremely difficult to overcome the inertia of the 20s.
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        We must tell the truth, who the Cossacks are, where they came from, how the Cossacks always (or almost always) stood for the Orthodox faith and were always with the Russian people, according to Bogdan Khmelnitsky, then our peoples will be invincible in war and happy in peaceful life.

        Yeah, yeah... the Cossacks were especially good with the Russian people during the Time of Troubles, coming along with the Poles.
        Cossacks are political women with reduced social responsibility, maneuvering between the poles of power and throwing themselves on the side of the stronger. But wait... some very familiar picture emerges. wink
        1. -4
          21 March 2024 16: 03
          history has been slandered, new peoples have been created in the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, and these peoples were created by robbing the culture, land and history of Russians and Cossacks.
          What do we know, for example, about the Danube Cossacks or the Polish Tatars, about the German Slavs? Nothing. Therefore, the reasons why the Cossacks went into the service of the Poles and the Sultan are not really clear. But why the Cossacks went into the service of Hitler, everything is clear here: Stalin simply physically destroyed the Cossacks, and here you will serve the devil against Stalin.
          1. +1
            22 March 2024 10: 56
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            But why the Cossacks went into the service of Hitler, everything is clear here: Stalin simply physically destroyed the Cossacks, and then the devil will serve against Stalin.

            Yes, the Cossacks and Whites who later went to serve Adolf would have been put on trial - for separatism and going over to the enemy’s side.
            These were the same Cossacks who, under the leadership of Krasnov, cut off the independent Don Army from Russia, and then entered into negotiations with Emperor Wilhelm, asking him for help in exchange for benevolent neutrality in the ongoing WWI and supplies bypassing the Entente blockade. At the same time, he was interfering in every possible way with the white movement in its fight against the Reds (Krasnov transferred all the Cossacks under his command, and then tried to chop off Drozdovsky’s detachment for the forces of the Don Army) and trying to use the white forces in their own small-town interests - for example, to take Tsaritsyn and annex it to the Army Donskoy.
            1. -2
              22 March 2024 11: 16
              In general, “transition to the service of Hitler” is an unsuccessful definition; we must talk about ESCAPE or the outcome from Stalin’s extermination.
              1. +2
                22 March 2024 15: 42
                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                In general, “transition to the service of Hitler” is an unsuccessful definition; we must talk about ESCAPE or the outcome from Stalin’s extermination.

                We need to talk about treason against Russia.
                Because service to the state, one of the goals of which was the extermination of the peoples inhabiting Russia, is poorly combined with outcome from extermination. Krasnov and his comrades could have followed Denikin’s path - but he chose revenge on the citizens of the USSR. Not specifically to the Bolsheviks, but to all citizens.
    3. +5
      20 March 2024 12: 36
      In Russia, schools and universities teach Russian, but not other languages. The fault is that on TV they shout cashback, manager, management, fake and other words do not belong to Kabardians, Tatars, Bashkirs and other nationalities. You can scream foaming at the mouth, but this will not make others forget their language and use it. The Russians have already forgotten a lot of their own.
      1. +4
        20 March 2024 12: 48
        Quote from Deon59
        You may foam at the mouth, but you will not make others forget their language and use it.

        And I don’t call for forgetting your native language, I just don’t want one and a half million “native speakers” to force tens of millions to listen to them in their native language. The official language in the country is Russian, which is why I consider it correct to write in Russian in all public places, duplicating (if necessary) the inscription with a translation in the language necessary for understanding. As is customary at international airports, for example.
        * * *
        You are so zealous about language problems that I have a firm conviction about your roots in one of the republics of the Russian Federation.
        hi
        1. +5
          20 March 2024 12: 56
          Yes, Kabardian. I don’t demand that it’s in Kabardian in Moscow. At home I communicate in Russian with those who do not know my language. In 1980, I entered a military school, and a Ukrainian who began to mumble during the exam, the teacher suggested that he take the exam in Ukrainian.
          1. +1
            20 March 2024 13: 06
            You and I are arguing about nothing. I don’t know who started mooing during the exam. I saw officers from Ukraine who could not write a vacation report in Russian. But in the Armed Forces, all commands and orders were given in Russian, and every commander was required to know it in order to (at least) study combat manuals and other documents.
            I have already made the case for the Tower of Babel.
            The absence of a state language in the country, which is mandatory to study and know, leads to misunderstandings between people living in the country. It is truth!!!
            Agree, it is unlikely that Pushkin would have been able to write his poems in another language...
            1. +1
              20 March 2024 13: 12
              In Russia, Russian is a compulsory language to study. And there is no need to create problems out of the blue.
              1. +1
                20 March 2024 13: 20
                Quote from Deon59
                In Russia, Russian is a compulsory language to study. And there is no need to create problems out of the blue.

                I don’t create problems on the slopes, when the Russian language being studied is not mastered even in historically Russian cities.
                Perhaps study is obligatory, but not for everyone, not to the same extent, and not for general use. I often meet people who try to convince me that they are on friendly terms with Russians.
                * * *
                The medical academy in my city has students from India. I don’t know who teaches them, in what language. Only the boy and girl had difficulty explaining to the seller what kind of buns they wanted to buy and how many...
                I'm talking about obligation...
                1. +1
                  20 March 2024 13: 27
                  These are victims of the Unified State Exam, it all depends on how a person wants to study, and then you need to read books in order to form words normally
                  1. 0
                    20 March 2024 13: 33
                    To form the correct turns of words, you need to learn how to conduct dialogues. Then it becomes clear whether the interlocutor understands you or not.
                    And you need to read books in order to study syntax using visual examples. Especially the classics.
                    * * *
                    So, some people cannot retell the joke they just heard...
            2. -2
              20 March 2024 16: 44
              Quote: ROSS 42
              It is unlikely that Pushkin could write his poems in another language...

              “If I fall, stuck in the hole, I’ll just sneak past the wines...”.
              1. +1
                20 March 2024 17: 45
                What language are you presenting this in?
                1. 0
                  20 March 2024 17: 57
                  Quote: Dekabrist
                  What language are you presenting this in?

                  It was I who listened to the opera Eugene Onegin at the Ukrainian Opera Theater that came to Ulyanovsk. Although I can’t vouch for 100% accuracy. This was in 1987. That is a long time ago. But this stuck in my memory...
            3. 0
              25 March 2024 21: 24
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Agree, it is unlikely that Pushkin would have been able to write his poems in another language...

              Actually, I wrote. In French.
              https://museum-online.moscow/entity/EXHIBITION/iss3_pushkin_568697
          2. -1
            20 March 2024 14: 24
            Quote from Deon59
            Yes, Kabardian. I don’t demand that it’s in Kabardian in Moscow.

            Respects the culture, history and languages ​​of all peoples and nationalities of our common country. There are three official languages ​​in Crimea. Russian, Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian. And it is right . There is no need to be like the Ukrainian leaders by banning the language in which the mother sang songs to the child.
            1. +2
              20 March 2024 14: 43
              Quote: 30 vis
              And it is right . There is no need to be like the Ukrainian leaders by banning the language in which the mother sang songs to the child.

              This would be correct, only at our enterprise, for example, there were no books in the languages ​​in which mothers sang songs. PUE, TB and other books were in Russian. And the TB engineer spoke and explained in Russian.
              I myself know several songs in Ukrainian...
              1. 0
                20 March 2024 14: 55
                Quote: ROSS 42
                I myself know several songs in Ukrainian...

                Russian is the national language of communication. The main language of the country. There is not and cannot be any reasoning here. But there should be no violence against other languages ​​in the country. I know . passed . In the mid-nineties, the forcefully imposed ukromova in Sevastopol began to irritate. Annoying is not the right word. Hatred arose both towards Ukromov and towards Ukromov figures. You know how this turned out. Under the USSR, the Ukrainian language was perceived normally. Soft, melodious language. The language in which some relatives explained themselves... It was even interesting and funny.
    4. 0
      20 March 2024 14: 36
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Yes, I am such a Russophile that I want only Russian speech to be heard in public space on the territory of the Russian Federation.

      The Russian language deserves to be the main language of planet Earth. This is the most multifaceted language, which can be very short and concise, and convey all shades of feelings and thoughts. English, which has become international, and even in our country has become almost a fetish, cannot hold a candle to the Russian language. The Anglo-Saxon "reptilians" have such a stupid grammar that one cannot understand with the mind, and the pronunciation, with indistinct, animal sounds, is from the poorly developed speech apparatus of primitive people.
      Ukrainian... It’s like “don’t give a damn”, just to be different from the Russians, in many ways an artificially created language. There were such Shtepsel and Tarapunka, popular pop jokers in the USSR, so they used Ukrainian mainly because it was funnier. But, I won’t lie, I like many old folk songs in Ukrainian.
  2. +4
    20 March 2024 06: 13
    Yeah.... Stalin alone came down from the clouds and overcame all the Bolsheviks and saved the Red Army....

    But wasn’t Stalin himself the leader of the same Bolshevik party? And before that, he was one of the first not in the secret Masonic society called the “Leninist Guard,” but simply in Lenin’s government from 1917, when he was also the People’s Commissar specifically on matters of nationality and then the Secretary General of the party?
    1. -1
      20 March 2024 16: 36
      Quote: ivan2022
      Dean Stalin descended from the clouds and defeated all the Bolsheviks

      one, not one, all, not all, but he thoroughly cleansed the ranks of the Bolsheviks in 1936-39... though they imprisoned and killed orders of magnitude more ordinary people... request
      Quote: ivan2022
      when he was also the People's Commissar for Nationalities Affairs

      It should be noted that the IVS understood the stupidity of Lenin’s national policy and fought against it from the very beginning! For which VIL criticized him greatly! And I was able to begin correcting Lenin’s line after the purge of Leninists during the Great Terror! hi
      1. 0
        24 March 2024 05: 05
        For such words about his teacher Lenin, the IVS sent many people far and long. And he did the right thing. hi
        1. 0
          24 March 2024 15: 03
          Quote: ivan2022
          And he did it right.

          I understand that this is your level of understanding of the processes in the country at that time? sadly.... hi
          You don’t miss repressions in vain, it’s not a fact that you won’t be dragged into their meat grinder... request
  3. -1
    20 March 2024 06: 41
    The enemies of the USSR not only slandered the Bolshevik communists, but also accuse them of the exact opposite, as Stalin was at the same time not prepared for the war with Germany, and at the same time he was so well prepared that he wanted to attack Germany, but Hitler got ahead of him.
    Likewise, the Russian enemies of the Bolshevik Communists accuse them of “Ukrainization,” and the Ukrainian enemies of the Bolshevik Communists accuse them of organizing a “Holodomor” in the Ukrainian SSR “in order to destroy the national identity of the Ukrainian people.”
    1. 0
      20 March 2024 09: 59
      You’re like a vacuum cleaner, you’ve collected all the dirt and don’t let it fly away in different directions.
      Why listen to the fool Suvorov if the USSR just carried out industrialization with great difficulty? Our tanks and planes, and especially our means of communication, were much worse than the German ones - this is understood by everyone who has even a little knowledge of technology, and not of historical gossip. Therefore, the nonsense that the USSR should attack Germany and make all the other enemies around the world is simply untenable From a logical point of view, Stalin and his commissars understood this.
      The fact that the famines, a stupid Ukrainian term, Russians don’t say that, occurred due to the criminal Bolshevik policy towards the peasantry, is an obvious fact, people did not want to go to Stalin’s collective farms, but they were driven, remember Marat Nagulny from Virgin Soil Upturned, how the Cossacks were driven into collective farms with revolvers.
      Your thinking is like a glued book where each page has to be torn away from the rest.
      1. -2
        20 March 2024 10: 45
        What are your complaints against me? You present them to those who invented anti-Soviet myths, fakes, nonsense, and mindlessly repeat them after their anti-Soviet-Russophobic puppet masters and their anti-Soviet authorities.
      2. 0
        24 March 2024 05: 11
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        You’re like a vacuum cleaner, you’ve collected all the dirt and don’t let it fly away in different directions.
        Why listen to the fool Suvorov if the USSR just carried out industrialization with great difficulty? Our tanks and planes, and especially our means of communication, were much worse than the German ones - this is understood by everyone who has even a little knowledge of technology, and not of historical gossip. Therefore, the nonsense that the USSR should attack Germany and make all the other enemies around the world is simply untenable From a logical point of view, Stalin and his commissars understood this.
        The fact that the famines, a stupid Ukrainian term, Russians don’t say that, occurred due to the criminal Bolshevik policy towards the peasantry, is an obvious fact, people did not want to go to Stalin’s collective farms, but they were driven, remember Marat Nagulny from Virgin Soil Upturned, how the Cossacks were driven into collective farms with revolvers.

        You and the masses of people like you are not even able to distinguish Soviet laws from your own wild and brutal morals. Whatever you undertake, you end up with the same thing. And you yourself admit it... And the government is to blame, no matter what.....
    2. +2
      20 March 2024 14: 49
      Quote: tatra
      they have Stalin at the same time not prepared for the war with Germany, and at the same time he was so well prepared

      Dear Irina, we were clever then with this TASS statement about rumors of a German attack. This time, the second time, I still wanted to see in the German workers' National Socialist Party a greater “partner” than the bourgeois “hat Europe”. How was it possible to know that Hitler was brought to power and almost all of Europe was given to him only in order to turn Germany, defeated in the First World War, into an anti-USSR. Hitler was an Anglophile, a protege of the Anglo-Saxons and their actual henpecked man, making the Germans cannon fodder against the Soviet Union.
      Until now, our “partners” are virtuosos of such games, and our bourgeois government is essentially their protege, no matter how you puff up your cheeks for PR. Without socialism, we are unlikely to be able to defeat the external bourgeois masters, with our internal bourgeois servants of world capitalism.
    3. 0
      20 March 2024 16: 45
      Quote: tatra
      The enemies of the USSR not only slandered the Bolshevik communists

      1) Are you so bad with the History of the CPSU? VKP(b) = CPSU... there are no non-Bolshevik communists... request
      2) It’s stupid to slander the Bolsheviks - they messed up so much that they kept their history secret and rewrote it many times! hi
  4. +1
    20 March 2024 06: 42
    Hetman Skoropadsky dreamed of an independent Ukraine. If we talk about the Russian language in each of the republics, then in each there were Russian schools. Russian language was taught in regular schools. But the difference in knowledge was significant. Those who went to Russian schools were mainly those who wanted to continue their studies at universities. From the very beginning of Soviet power, much attention was paid to national harmony. Then it all subsided. And by the age of 90, we essentially arrived disunited.
  5. +1
    20 March 2024 06: 57
    The Ukrainianization of the Russian army began immediately after the February Revolution, this process was massive and spontaneous in nature, and had great support.
    And the Bolsheviks, having come to power, could not neglect all these phenomena, then, when power strengthened, everything fell into place, the small-town separatists, relatively speaking, were strangled.
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  7. +2
    20 March 2024 08: 08
    Russian Red Army soldiers pointedly refused to speak the “Petliura language”, disparagingly called it “Chinese literacy”, and Ukrainophiles demanded to “Ukrainize everything”.
    Yesterday I read Paustovsky's story "The Violet Ray", I recommend it to everyone. Whether the author of the article read this work is highly doubtful. In my opinion, he confuses the Bolsheviks and the Ukrainian people with the Petliurists. And this leavened patriotism in every article is tiring.
    Every nation has its own characteristics, its worthy features. But people who choke on saliva from tenderness to their people and devoid of a sense of proportion always bring these national traits to ridiculous proportions, to molasses, to disgust. Therefore, there are no worst enemies of his people than leaven patriots.

    Petliura tried to revive the sugary Ukraine. But nothing came of it, of course.

    Following Petliura was the Directory - the neurasthenic writer Vinnichenko, and behind him - some mossy and unknown ministers.

    Thus began the short, frivolous power of the Directory in Kiev.

    Kievans, prone, like all southern people, to irony, have made of the new "independent" government a target for an unheard of number of anecdotes. The people of Kiev especially cheered up the fact that in the first days of the Petliura power, the operatic Haidamaks walked along the Khreshchatyk with ladders, climbed on them, removed all the Russian signs and hung Ukrainian ones instead.

    Petliura brought with him the so-called Galician language - quite ponderous and full of borrowings from neighboring languages. And a brilliant, really pearly, like the teeth of fervently young, sharp, singing, the national language of Ukraine retreated before a new visitor to the distant Shevchenko huts and to the quiet village levadas. There he lived "tishkom" all the difficult years, but retained his poetry and did not allow to break his back.
    1. +1
      20 March 2024 08: 31
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Yesterday I read Paustovsky’s story “The Violet Ray”, I recommend it to everyone

      I also join your recommendation, I can also recommend reading Bulgakov’s “The White Guard”, it is very informative and, with many of the author’s statements, one can agree. He, the author, competently explained about the Ukrainian farce and the Sabbath, a hundred years ago.
      1. +1
        20 March 2024 09: 26
        Bulgakov looked at all this as a simple Russian doctor in difficult circumstances. Ukrainians have lived near Poland for centuries. Even Bogdan Khmelnitsky, when he agreed to the notorious Pereyaslav Rada, did nothing more than bargain with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth on more favorable conditions for the registered Cossacks. With a long-term view, if the Polish king offers better conditions, then the oath to the Russian Tsar can be changed. He himself was a nobleman.
        1. 0
          20 March 2024 09: 35
          Quote: Yamatay-sun
          Bulgakov looked at all this like a simple Russian doctor in difficult circumstances

          I agree with you.
          Moreover, Mikhail Afanasyevich managed to serve both the Reds and the Whites, and the Russian city of Kyiv was his hometown, he witnessed all this bloody clownery in Ukraine with his own eyes.
        2. -2
          20 March 2024 09: 40
          But Poland was not always a foreign, non-Slavic entity. Back in the 16th century, Zhigimont 3 in his Statute said that papers should be written in Russian. Poland is a Slavic state, which also resisted the seizure of its Slavic culture by the Roman culture of the Crusaders. Since history and especially chronology have been slandered - this was proven by historians Fomenko and Nosovsky, it is impossible to say exactly how the struggle of the Slavs with the Roman invaders took place. There is an opinion that the Kosciuszko uprising 18th century against the Republic of Ingushetia is an uprising of the Polish Slavs/Poles against the Catholicization of the Polish people.
  8. +1
    20 March 2024 09: 23
    The author, as usual, does not go into details.
    The so-called principle: “territorial police” was dictated by economic difficulties.
    Do you remember what devastation there was after the Civil War? The state did not have enough funds to maintain personnel units.
    Contents Territorial police units cost: 1,5 - 2 times cheaper than personnel ones. In addition, the territorial police formation should have emphasized: “the peace-loving policy of the USSR.”
    There were TMFs not only on the outskirts, but also in the central regions of the RSFSR.
    1. +1
      21 March 2024 12: 36
      Quote: vladcub
      Contents Territorial police units cost: 1,5 - 2 times cheaper than personnel ones.

      In terms of maintenance and training of rank and file, the territories were almost five times cheaper than personnel:
      ...the maintenance of one Red Army soldier cost 267 rubles a year, and one “terarman” cost 58 rubles a year; that 535 rubles were allocated for the combat training of a Red Army soldier for two years of his service, and 291 rubles for the combat training of a Terrestrial soldier for five years of his service. Simply put, even according to the listed expense items, the annual maintenance of one Red Army soldier corresponds to the annual maintenance of 4.6 “terar soldiers”
      © Litlbro AKA D. Shein

      The downside was that in terms of the time frame for mobilization and coordination, the territorial divisions did not fit into any plans: in fact, it took a month to bring the territories into a combat-ready state at least at the “satisfactory” level.
      1. 0
        23 March 2024 07: 11
        In fact, “Terretorials” are good for such “giants” as Monaco or Luxembourg. Which no one really needs.
        Although, under certain conditions, “territorials” can do something
        Remember, the “all-instruction” battalions: all from one enterprise, or from one street, village, they could gather in a few hours.
        It seems that this is approximately how the IDF was created? Already, I don’t remember
  9. 0
    20 March 2024 09: 35
    "mova" was a southern Russian dyslexic - the so-called surzhik. In Ukraine there are 27 regional dialects.
    Of these, there are 2 main ones: Kiev-Podolsk and Lviv.
    Apart from “Surzhik”, I have some difficulties, but I speak the Podolian dialect
    1. +2
      20 March 2024 10: 24
      "mova" was a southern Russian dyslexic" - so-called surzhik

      Surzhik is a diglossia where Russian is an H-language and Ukrainian is an L-language. It has nothing to do with dialects at all.
  10. +2
    20 March 2024 10: 16
    and “Mova” was a southern Russian dialect

    The South Russian dialect is divided into 4 groups: Oryol, Tula, Ryazan and Western (Smolensk). According to the author, it turns out that in at least one of these regions they speak Ukrainian.
    I would like to repeat the message under Samsonov’s previous article with an excerpt from Pavel Rovinsky’s memoirs about his trip to Serbia.
    I see a villager walking ahead (a resident of the village), I catch up with him: “God help me!” - I tell him first. - God help you! - “What’s it like?” (how are you?) - Fala to God! (thank God) - “Iosh kakoste?” (yet) - Let’s fill it up (thank you). Avoboch huh? (where are you going?) - At Petkovitsa - I answer and start asking about the road. He explained the way to me and I was about to go, saying “with God,” when he stopped me with the question: “What is it?” - what you? those. who are you? I declare that I am Russian. What faith? - Orthodox. - “Do you know Our Father?” - I know. - “Talk.” — I read “Our Father,” and he stared at the ground and listened, weighing every word I said. “Ama good, brother, you read; pa ti si srbin.” I begin to explain that I am not a Serb, but a Russian, but that Russians and Serbs are Slavs, people related in language and of the same Orthodox confession.
    - No, you are Serbin, you don’t know this yourself; but you want to see our monasteries, so when you get to the Studenitsa Lavra, there are learned monks there and they have old books, they will show you that the Russians are all Serbs.

    It is very sad that in the 21st century there are more and more people with the level of thinking of uneducated peasants of the 19th century.
    1. 0
      20 March 2024 11: 21
      Very sad
      I agree that it’s very, very sad, but the articles are the same at the same level... And even with “fiction and jokes” hi
      1. -4
        20 March 2024 12: 37
        with "fiction and joke"

        beautiful photos, if only in 1922 they would have dressed the Red Army infantry in steel cuirasses
        5 mm 12 kg with strength 600 MPa
        Even heavy 15 gram rifle bullets would have held up calmly in 1941
  11. +5
    20 March 2024 11: 17
    The article gives the impression that the USSR consisted of the two republics of Ukraine and the RSFSR and Ukrainization was carried out by the entire Red Army. However, after the formation of the USSR and, accordingly, the unified Red Army in 1922, separate military formations existed in the union republics: Ukrainian, Belarusian, Bukhara, in all three republics of the Transcaucasian Federation, as well as in the autonomous republics of the RSFSR: Crimean, Dagestan and Yakut. At the beginning of 1929, the Red Army consisted of four Ukrainian, two Belarusian, two Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijani rifle divisions, Uzbek and Turkmen cavalry brigades, two Tatars -Bashkir rifle regiment and one squadron, Kazakh division and squadron, Kyrgyz and Buryat-Mongolian divisions, Tajik and Karelian battalions. The process of liquidation of national units in the Red Army began in 1934, when the Ukrainian and Belarusian divisions were deprived of their national status. By the beginning of 1938, the Red Army still had seven national divisions (two Georgian, Armenian, Azerbaijani rifle, Uzbek, Turkmen, Tajik mountain cavalry), two brigades (Mountain and Buryat-Mongolian) and six national regiments.
  12. 0
    20 March 2024 11: 55
    The sun has warmed up and Samsonov is bursting with creative energy - one essay is catching up with another, and all with an announcement
    Продолжение следует ...

    Spring laughing
  13. +2
    20 March 2024 12: 43
    Despite reduction of the program for creating national military units its implementation was difficult. Thus, in Soviet Ukraine, according to the 1924 program, they planned to Ukrainize 4 territorial divisions.
    I wonder where Samsonov got all this from?
    The program for creating national military units was not “reduced”, but rather “expanded” (figuratively speaking).

    In 1925, a five-year program for the development of national military formations was adopted.
    During its implementation, the number of such formations in the Red Army constantly increased.
    Before this, 4 Ukrainian national SDs, 1 Belarusian SD, two Georgian, one Azerbaijani and one Armenian were formed.
    Since 1925, divisions began to be formed in the Uzbek region, Turkmen and Kazakh autonomous regions. Even in the RSFSR, national units were formed (SD and Cavalry regiments).
    By 1929, the five-year program was completed.
    1. 0
      22 March 2024 08: 32
      Quote: Lewww
      Kazakh Autonomous Regions.


      there was no Kazakh ASSR, there was a Cossack ASSR with its capital in Kyzylorda.
  14. +4
    20 March 2024 13: 28
    In 1925, in the Ukrainized divisions, the Ukrainian language was used owned 40% were commanders and 37% were political workers. In 1926, the graduation of command and political personnel from Ukrainianized military schools was able to cover the needs of two territorial divisions.
    Samsonov doesn’t even bother himself with the accuracy of copying other people’s materials.

    In the original source:
    In particular, in 1925, in Ukrainianized divisions, 40,9% of commanders and 37,1% of political workers did not speak Ukrainian. In 1926, the release of command and political personnel from Ukrainianized military schools was able to cover the personnel needs of only two territorial divisions
    Those. in the original source 40,9% of commanders and 37,1% of political workers didn't own Ukrainian language (i.e. 59,1% and 62,9% spoke it), and according to Samsonov, on the contrary, Ukrainian language owned 40% were commanders and 37% were political workers.

    Original source: Time, forward! Cultural policy in the USSR
    © Compilation. Glushchenko I. V., Kurennoy V. A., 2013
    © Design. Publishing House of the Higher School of Economics, 2013
  15. BAI
    +1
    20 March 2024 14: 15
    noted:

    “We were faced with questions about the fact that those conscripted into the army, for example, in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan, do not speak Russian.

    It was forbidden to take into the tank forces those who did not speak Russian. Nevertheless they took
  16. +1
    20 March 2024 16: 27
    “It was a big mistake; first of all, it was necessary to carry out Russification, and only then develop the language and writing of small peoples. This excess was not in vain.”
    The author is not a mistake - this is Lenin’s national policy! And its inevitable consequences both in the medium term (the collapse of a single space due to language) and the pulling apart of the USSR into republics further...
    1. +1
      20 March 2024 17: 16
      And its inevitable consequences

      It looks like “he died because he ate cucumbers, haven’t you noticed that everyone who has ever tried cucumbers must have died sooner or later?”
      Correlation does not imply causation.
      1. 0
        20 March 2024 17: 42
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Correlation does not imply causation.

        You probably think that you wrote something reasonable - I’ll disappoint you... request
        out of politeness, let me remind you of a phrase from the Dialectics of Nature by F. Engels - any newly created system has an internal logic of development. In translation - if you created a national state (where it never existed), national elites, a literary language, an economy, etc. - is it surprising that the created state decided to become sovereign... The problem is that they do not know that artificial... request
        1. 0
          20 March 2024 17: 57
          You probably think that you wrote something reasonable - I’ll disappoint you...

          ...in that instead of explaining why the postulate "correlation does not imply causation" is not reasonable, I will give something else that seems reasonable to me. lol I had the courage to end your sentence after an ellipsis.
          out of politeness I'll remind you

          that the decision of a state to become sovereign, like any event, is a chain of cause-and-effect relationships. Which you replaced with correlation.
          1. 0
            20 March 2024 18: 11
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            which you replaced correlation.

            So, did you like the new word that you are flaunting it? request Will you quote him in my message Today, 16:27? hi
    2. 0
      21 March 2024 16: 51
      Quote: DrEng02
      The author is not a mistake - this is Lenin’s national policy!

      I beg you, don’t throw around liberal cliches. To implement national policy (Not your own, but the policy of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks) Lenin in 1917 appointed Stalin to the post of People's Commissar for Nationalities. And Stalin decisively resolved the national question both in the Caucasus and everywhere even when he no longer worked in the government: “You cannot force the Russian working masses to abandon the Russian language and Russian culture and recognize Ukrainian as their culture and their language. This contradicts the principle of the free development of nationalities.” / Stalin-Kaganovich 26.04.1926/XNUMX/XNUMX/
      By the way, the term “Ukrainization” was coined by the nationalist Grushevsky in 1907. Ukrainization was not carried out by the Bolsheviks, but by the nationalists, who infiltrated the Soviet authorities after the revolution. This is the truth. Grushevsky worked in the USSR until 1931, when he was arrested. He died in 1934. This is where Ukrainization ended. THE DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC IS NOT WORTH AN EATEN EGG. DO YOU NOT HAVE THE MIND ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOLSHEVIKS HAD NO INTEREST IN DESTROYING THE STATE THEY CREATE??
      1. -1
        21 March 2024 17: 24
        Quote: ivan2022
        I beg you, don’t throw around liberal cliches.

        If it’s not a secret, have you read VIL’s works on national politics? I'm a sinner...
        and if this is a stamp, then it is Soviet Agitprop... the topic of seminars on the course History of the CPSU...
        Quote: ivan2022
        Lenin in 1917 appointed Stalin to the post of People's Commissar for Nationalities.

        and in 1922 they had a conflict over different approaches to the formation of the USSR... request
        Quote: ivan2022
        Stalin-Kaganovich 26.04.1926/XNUMX/XNUMX/

        so after the death of VIL...
        Quote: ivan2022
        DO YOU NOT HAVE THE MIND ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOLSHEVIKS HAD NO INTEREST IN DESTROYING THE STATE THEY CREATE??

        I will not answer you in your boorish manner! hi
        If you are not able to read their works and resolutions of congresses, see the practice of cutting up lands with the Russian population of the national republics (Terek Cossacks to the mountain republics, Ural and Semirechinsk to the Kazakhs), etc. etc. - Is there any point in trying to prove anything to you? live in your imagination... request
  17. 0
    20 March 2024 22: 23
    In May 1927, the Revolutionary Military Council of the USSR approved a 6-year plan for national military development for 1927–1933, according to which they planned to form two more territorial divisions.
    I tried to find this document for a long time but never found it.
    It looks like Samsonov's flight copied someone's fantasy laughing
  18. +1
    21 March 2024 17: 32
    Quote: ivan2022
    liberal cliches

    Teach! p.309:
    "The formation of the USSR is a triumph of the ideas of Leninism, lYeninskaya
    national policy
    Communist Party. Everything progressive
    humanity was shown the way to resolve national
    issue, the destruction of inequality of nations and nationalities,
    the path of uniting peoples into a single fraternal family for
    building socialism and communism."
    chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://ist.kpss.su/1981-11-18.pdf
  19. +1
    21 March 2024 18: 02
    I just watched Boris Yulin about this very indigenization. Nobody there set the task of Ukrainizing the Russian population. They simply demanded that the leadership learn the national language so that they could communicate with the local peasant population, who did not know Russian. And then, such a policy was quickly curtailed.
    And then they brought up a huge article, like the Bolsheviks are to blame for the current situation and Lenin, as usual, planted the bomb.
    1. -1
      22 March 2024 09: 13
      Firstly, everyone in Ukraine knew Russian from Lvov to Kyiv.
      I attended training camp in Svalyava West. Ukraine, Transcarpathia in 1985 So, we cadets were once asked to help a local individual farmer (there were individual farmers there in those days) to clean up the haystacks and we got into a conversation with this peasant at lunch, he was a typical Ukrainian and in conversation switched from Russian to Ukrainian, but we understood him quite well.
      As for Ukrainization, there is no need to lie, when Russian children study in Ukrainian in schools and in universities, too, then this is precisely the Ukrainization of Russians.
      I remember an interview with Oleg Borisov, a famous Soviet Jewish actor, (Chasing two birds with one stone) and so he said that when he was working in the Kiev theater, the attitude towards Russian-speaking people was tense precisely on the part of the theater management and ministerial officials, and this was already the late USSR,” Usi was a great actor Oleg, but if I could write a language, then...
      This relates to the question of why he moved from Kyiv to Leningrad.
    2. 0
      27 March 2024 21: 13
      And Lenin is to blame for everything... Well, also the Pechenegs.
  20. +1
    22 March 2024 01: 18
    What a tyrant Stalin is!
    I wanted everyone in the country to be able to understand everyone, and to explain themselves in any suburb!
    Khrushchev, by the way, decentralized the Ministry of Internal Affairs, creating republican Ministries of Internal Affairs.
  21. +1
    24 March 2024 18: 12
    I learned Russian in elementary school in the Czech Republic. I graduated from the Russian language department. After 1968, I again had the opportunity to speak Russian with Russian soldiers. So I understand the great betrayal of the Ukrainians and how they fought in the 14th SS Galicia division and that this issue is being resolved specifically in Ukraine. However, I also know that ordinary people do not consider this problem as something insoluble. Workers from Ukraine who were already married and had children here, I tried, they spoke Russian carefully, they had no problems am
  22. 0
    27 March 2024 21: 11
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Early and mid-20s - in accordance with the principle of democratic centralism, Lenin’s idea of ​​nation-states and internationalism in relation to Russian sovereigns is being implemented. And now Ukraine is being generously allocated land to boost industry; the forced Ukrainization of the Russian population begins on these lands,

    ...Why do you think Lenin needed Ukrainization? Do you think that in his old age Lenin absorbed the spirit of Independence and Ukrainianism?
  23. 0
    29 March 2024 05: 43
    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
    In general, “transition to the service of Hitler” is an unsuccessful definition; we must talk about ESCAPE or the outcome from Stalin’s extermination.

    Do you mean Stalin's extermination of the German army?