“Don’t spare the soldiers, the women are still giving birth!”

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“Don’t spare the soldiers, the women are still giving birth!”
Marshal of the Soviet Union G.K. Zhukov and General D. Eisenhower in Leningrad. Eisenhowr's visit to Moscow and Leningrad occurred in mid-August 1945 after a personal invitation from Zhukov


Black myth


“Do not spare the soldiers! Women are still giving birth!” Before the revolution, the phrase sounded a little different: “Take care of your horses, women give birth to soldiers.” It was attributed to a number of Russian statesmen stories: Tsar Peter I, Menshikov, Apraksin, Catherine II, Marshal Voroshilov and Stalin himself.



Obviously, the founder of this famous phrase already in the post-Soviet era, when the Soviet era was abundantly thrown with mud and denigrated in every possible way, was journalist Maxim Sokolov. In 1996, in the Kommersant newspaper, he, likening Marshal Zhukov to Napoleon, wrote: “... the problem of saving his soldiers was rejected by him in principle - “the war will write off everything,” as well as “women will give birth to new ones.”

Following Sokolov, other whistleblowers began to follow. They mentioned American General Dwight Eisenhower as a source. In particular, director Eduard Volodarsky in an interview with the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper said: “General Eisenhower writes in his memoirs how he saw a huge field near Potsdam, covered with the corpses of Russian soldiers. Following Zhukov's orders, they stormed the city head-on under dagger fire from the Germans. The sight of this field amazed Eisenhower. He felt uneasy, and he asked Zhukov: “Why the hell did this Potsdam surrender to you?” And Zhukov replied: “Nothing. Russian women are still giving birth!”

Another prominent popularizer of the famous phrase allegedly from Zhukov was the writer Mikhail Weller. So, in 2001, his story “Tribunal” was published in the magazine “Ogonyok”, where the author, on behalf of two marshals, speaks cynical words:

“Budyonny was covered with small beads and scratched with a feather. Gorky cleared his throat loudly into his handkerchief, blew his nose and wiped away his tears: darling, don’t you feel sorry for the soldiers who were killed in vain? Writhing on the ice with a buckshot bullet in your stomach is not comme il faut... in the sense of not comfort. Worse than a noose. But all the Russian people, yesterday’s peasants... you deceived them, they trusted you. And we, nobles, only value our belly.

Budyonny was glad to have the opportunity to break away from the letter. And the soldiery, cannon fodder, gray cattle - it doesn’t matter to us... the smoke doesn’t move.

Zhukov waved his hand: Soldier, women will give birth to new ones for you. Russia is great. I would put it to work - it wouldn’t be a pity. The operation was unsuccessful. Criminal!”

True, contrary to the assertions of the director and other publicists, there is actually nothing of the kind in Eisenhower’s memoirs. There is no such information in other sources.

Origins of the myth


Soviet and Russian writer Dmitry Volkogonov, who worked a lot in the field of denigrating the USSR, in his work “Triumph and Tragedy” put this phrase to Supreme Commander-in-Chief Stalin.

Russian writer Andrei Burovsky, in his book “The Russia That Wasn’t-2,” attributes this catchphrase to Field Marshal Boris Sheremetev during a conversation with Tsar Peter after the heavy defeat of the Russian army during the siege of Narva (Narva disaster of the Russian army).

“1703, storming of Narva. In front of each break in the wall there are piles of corpses - Peter's guards. Peter knew many people personally, and was friends with many. And Peter began to cry, looking at these still warm piles of the dead. Boris Petrovich Sheremetev came up from behind and put his hand on the Tsar’s shoulder. A fifty-year-old caressed a thirty-year-old. “Don’t cry, sir! What you! Women are giving birth to new ones!”

Burovsky himself referred to the Soviet film “Peter the Great” (1937–1938), where a phrase similar in meaning was put into Sheremetev’s mouth: “God is merciful. There will be enough people."

Opinions were also expressed that these words were said to Peter I by Alexander Menshikov after the battle with the Swedes, or by Tsar Peter Alekseevich himself before the Battle of Poltava. In the Russian film “Midshipmen-III” (1992), during the Battle of Gross-Jägersdorf, Field Marshal S. F. Apraksin says: “Horses are worth money, but we’ll recruit new peasants.”.

In fact, this phrase came to Russia, apparently from Western Europe.

According to one version, the expression was born as a semantic tracing from the famous remark of the French commander, Prince of Condé (the phrase is also attributed to other French commanders). It is believed that de Conde uttered these words on August 11, 1674, looking at the battlefield of Senef strewn with corpses. De Conde's biographer Joseph Desormeaux gives the following version:

“One night in Paris (will) make up for (fix) it all.”

(“Okay, okay, it’s just one night in Paris”). That is, in one night in Paris such a number of future soldiers will be conceived that will compensate for the losses of the army.

This expression became famous in Russia thanks to Nikolai Kurganov’s Russian grammar textbook, which was a bestseller of its time and was published 11 times from 1769 to 1837. In it, the statement is attributed to de Condé's comrade-in-arms, Marshal of Luxembourg:

“The Luxenburg Marshal was admonished by one of his friends not to launch an attack with the whole army. Ah, my lord! he said: this is the glory of our invincible Monarch. Do you know that tax-paying girls in Paris can do no less than that in one night?”

This is a distorted retelling of a passage from the tragicomedy "Marshal Luxembourg in the Bosom of Death" (1696), which is a satire on the French court and French politics of these times.

According to another version, the expression came from England.

There was a maritime proverb in Britain:

“The king has a lot!”

With these words, British senior officers saw off sinking warships that were lost during a naval battle. Thus, they strengthened the morale of their team, showing that Great Britain is the “mistress of the seas” and all losses will be made up.

Apparently, this expression was taken from here by the Russian Empress Alexandra Feodorovna, who was the granddaughter of the British Queen Victoria and was raised in England. In a letter to her husband, Emperor Nicholas II, dated August 4 (17), 1916, Empress Alexandra Feodorovna writes: “The generals know that we still have many soldiers in Russia, and therefore they do not spare lives - but these were superbly trained troops and it was all in vain.”

This expression in this era has already become almost popular. Thus, in the memoirs of Metropolitan Evlogy (Georgievsky) “The Path of My Life” it is noted:

“The winter of 1904–1905 was fierce. You read the newspapers and you are horrified. A new disaster... How many frostbitten soldiers! I visited hospitals. I remember in one town there was a hospital for mentally ill soldiers. A terrible picture... Some are dancing, some are muttering something. One soldier lies thoughtful, gloomy. The doctor tells me: “Maybe you can get him out of this state...” I ask the patient: “What are you missing?” - “The Japanese took my rifle.” - “We’ll get you another one.” Is it worth talking about this? So many people have died, and you are lamenting the rifle.” But the patient cannot be convinced. “Women give birth to as many children as they want, but there’s only one rifle,” he protested gloomily.”

The same words are found in folklorist Alexander Misyurev, who recorded the tavern conversations of Altai miners back in the pre-war 1930s:

“The management knows better. Gentlemen officers do not value our skins. The other day we set out to do the roof support, and the foreman yelled:
“So and so, dig for ore, don’t care if it collapses, there’s a lot of your brother, women are still giving birth, but there’s not enough ore!”

Thus, the saying “women give birth to new ones” circulated throughout Russia long before Zhukov or Budyonny. Zhukov was made an author at the suggestion of journalist Maxim Sokolov, and then it was popularized by Mikhail Weller, Alexander Bushkov and a number of other writers.

Then it was popular to denigrate the history of the Soviet Union in general and the Great Patriotic War in particular. The bloody tyrant Stalin, they were filled with corpses, one rifle for three, all German women were raped, tens of millions were shot and tortured in the Gulag, the slave Soviet people, they only made galoshes, etc., etc.


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  1. +42
    14 March 2024 04: 56
    the writer became a prominent popularizer of the famous phrase allegedly from Zhukov Michael Weller. So, in 2001, his story “Tribunal” was published in the magazine “Ogonyok”, where the author, on behalf of two marshals, speaks cynical words:
    Svolota and Weller and Korotich. request
    1. +36
      14 March 2024 05: 18
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Svolota and Weller and Korotich

      Under Korotich, the magazine "Ogonyok" was saturated with anti-Sovietism, which is why Weller hung around there! am
      1. +21
        14 March 2024 05: 45
        In 2003, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we had a series of Weller programs on TV. In one of them, he said that it was necessary to “let go” of Kaliningrad, Chechnya, and the Far East. Everything became clear to me. His books were published and some programs were published..... But only recently his books and income from them were banned.
        1. +39
          14 March 2024 06: 29
          Quote: Reptiloid
          In one of them, he said that it was necessary to “let go” of Kaliningrad, Chechnya, and the Far East. Everything became clear to me.

          Solzhenitsyn "How US (!!!) to equip Russia", in general, he writes that only the ethnic-Russian central regions need to be left! And instead of launching rockets into space, agriculture needs to be developed (in non-black earth regions wassat ), plow the land!
          And Solzh, well, is included in SCHOOL PROGRAM! And his widow, personally, is received by the Guarantor!
          And you - Weller, Ogonyok... Yes, these are all flowers...
          1. +15
            14 March 2024 08: 30
            The relics of this son generally need to be reburied in the sartir and the relics of the ebeen should be placed next to them. So that the people's path does not become overgrown at their grave. Creatures.
            1. +6
              14 March 2024 12: 29
              Quote: pin_code
              The relics of this son generally need to be reburied in the sartir and the relics of the ebeen should be placed next to them. .....

              +++++++ In general, I am ----only for this. However, it is clear that none of this can happen. In the near future, at least. The privatizers continue to rewrite the history of the country for themselves, to create their own great ones, although this is a little difficult for them (too many people remember how things were). But until the privatizers are limited and nullified, they will stick to their
              1. +2
                15 March 2024 12: 09
                That's it... Rewrite, infidels, let's hope that he will burn in hell, well... Or in guano (this is a kind of fertilizer - like bat droppings..), well, you understand.
                1. +2
                  15 March 2024 12: 56
                  Quote: pin_code
                  That's it... Rewrite, infidels,.....

                  In addition to the above and the museums of Russian presidents, it turns out that there is also an EBN? There was a resolution about this. And Sobchak (and all sorts of others, for sure). Not to mention the White Guard monuments, etc. And the icon, donated by Masha of Hohenzollern.... and the Western Wall. And the graves of all sorts of foreign anti-Soviet enemies.... We managed to do a lot of things.
                  1. +2
                    15 March 2024 13: 02
                    This is what we are talking about, but a person, wise by the experience of life (I doubt), is carrying bonds here.
            2. -7
              14 March 2024 13: 04
              Quote: pin_code
              In general, you need to rebury it in the sartir and put the relics of ebeen next to it

              Actually, he is a WWII veteran, has 2 military orders... if it’s not a secret, how many of them do you have?
              1. +10
                14 March 2024 17: 30
                Quote: DrEng02
                has 2 military orders...

                So-so argument.
                Vlasov, if anything, had three and a medal of the XX years of the Red Army
                1. 0
                  April 23 2024 06: 15
                  Vlasov, if anything, Stalin called the hero of the Moscow battle
                  1. 0
                    April 23 2024 20: 18
                    And Paten is generally a hero of WWI. And what?
              2. +5
                14 March 2024 19: 12
                Actually, he is a WWII veteran, has 2 military orders...
                And you read, at least from V.S. Bushin, how he received these orders. By the way, the famous “architect of perestroika” A.N. Yakovlev managed to receive as many as 2 orders in one episode.
                1. -4
                  15 March 2024 09: 38
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  And you read, at least from V.S. Bushina,

                  You need to read award deeds, not the excrement of personal enemies or propagandists... request
                  Quote: Senior Sailor
                  So-so argument.

                  By no means, the most effective! He is a front-line soldier, whether you like it or not! hi
                  1. +1
                    21 March 2024 23: 43
                    We read the award cases - very interesting.
                    Well, he licked the authorities, who rewarded him for this
                2. +2
                  15 March 2024 12: 58
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Actually, he is a WWII veteran, has 2 military orders...
                  And you read, at least from V.S. Bushin, how he received these orders. By the way, the famous “architect of perestroika” A.N. Yakovlev managed to receive as many as 2 orders in one episode.

                  Will try. Thanks for the information, Sergey hi
              3. +2
                15 March 2024 12: 16
                I don’t care, and I really doubt that he went on the attack. So VETERAN. Still with a small letter. The veterans have long since left us from their wounds. Great-grandfather died in 1989 from his wounds. It’s a pity that I only saw him a couple of times, and then only in childhood.
                1. -7
                  15 March 2024 12: 23
                  Quote: pin_code
                  and I really doubt that he went on the attack.

                  Quote: DrEng02
                  you need to read the award deeds,

                  Don't hesitate - read... request
                  War requires different specialists! Solzhenitsyn was the battalion commander of the sound-metric battery. Well, if you don’t like his works, no one is forcing you to read - read Galina Nikolaeva or other socialist realists! hi
                  1. +1
                    15 March 2024 12: 31
                    I'll say this... He hid very well, that's what nits usually do. The earth is glassy for him and he will fry in a frying pan in hell until the second coming, that is, forever)
                    1. -3
                      15 March 2024 12: 45
                      Quote: pin_code
                      He hid very well, that's what nits usually do.

                      he fought for almost 2 years, and you spend more time on the couch? If he’s so combative, why not at the front? request
                      1. +3
                        15 March 2024 12: 47
                        I see you’re sitting in a trench and writing to me from there, you fucking warrior?
                      2. -4
                        15 March 2024 12: 52
                        Quote: pin_code
                        I see you’re sitting in a trench and writing to me from there, you fucking warrior?

                        Are we already on the same page? You are not worthy of such an honor! request
                        But I’m satisfied with your hysteria! hi so, if you haven’t been to the front yet, don’t gaff on front-line soldiers, especially the deceased ones! feel
                      3. +3
                        15 March 2024 12: 55
                        Have you actually been to the front? And you don’t need to be satisfied with what I poked at you. I can get used to you too.
                      4. -4
                        15 March 2024 12: 57
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Have you actually been to the front?

                        Do I really blaspheme the front-line soldiers? Do I write various abominations addressed to them?
                        Quote: pin_code
                        I can get used to you too.

                        They didn’t boast about walking ... hi
                      5. 0
                        17 March 2024 22: 36
                        Are we already on the same page? You are not worthy of such an honor! request
                        - Oooh, I really love this moment: don’t poke me, man
                      6. -2
                        19 March 2024 13: 10
                        Quote: Reklastik
                        I really love this moment: don’t poke me, man

                        Do you respond to “hey you”? I was raised differently! hi
                  2. 0
                    15 March 2024 12: 33
                    Well, you can create a house of worship in his honor and bang your forehead on the floor. Until you are cured...
                    1. -2
                      15 March 2024 12: 47
                      Quote: pin_code
                      Well, you can create a house of worship in his honor

                      you are neither old enough nor smart enough to give me advice... hi
                      And I pray in church, which is what I wish for you too!
                      1. +1
                        15 March 2024 12: 50
                        So old? Together with the Gorbachev and Yakovlev, did the USSR fall apart? Well, pray... What if it helps...
                      2. +2
                        15 March 2024 12: 52
                        And by the way, it doesn’t take much intelligence to understand the difference between the current system and the Soviet one. Or do you also need to write this down???
                      3. -5
                        15 March 2024 12: 54
                        Quote: pin_code
                        it doesn’t take much intelligence to understand the difference between the current system and the Soviet one

                        You are definitely not up to it, you are stupid, judging by the writings! request
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Or do you need to write this down as well?

                        I will be sincerely grateful to you, although you know the scoop theoretically, but I lived there... hi
                      4. +5
                        15 March 2024 12: 59
                        Enough with the word "scoop". This already speaks volumes about your attitude towards the USSR. Pray for Eben and Egor Gaidar in Sverdlovsk. Maybe it will help.
                      5. -6
                        15 March 2024 13: 14
                        Quote: pin_code
                        This already speaks volumes about your attitude towards the USSR.

                        You promised to write it down - maybe I don’t know what... you’re blown away and have nothing to write? request
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Sverdlovsk

                        Not such a city on the map of Russia hi
                        It’s a pity there is an area - there was a person unworthy of it... wink
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Pray for Eben and Egor Gaidar

                        what a slow-witted person you are... I already wrote to you earlier:
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        And I pray in church,

                        hi
                      6. +2
                        15 March 2024 14: 22
                        Do you fucking pray in church? Well, all the best to you, don’t hurt your forehead, our wise man is not slow-witted. Suddenly a couple of sins will be written off. Although...it’s unlikely. Burn))
                      7. -2
                        15 March 2024 14: 27
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Do you fucking pray in church?

                        hmm, you have strange fantasies, I sympathize... request
                      8. +1
                        15 March 2024 14: 31
                        So you cannot have another church, everything is alien to you. Give gaydar and ebeen. They are your gods. There are not even such saints in the Orthodox Church, there are no great martyrs and others either.
                      9. -3
                        15 March 2024 14: 35
                        let's repeat nonsense - it looks like you're a teenager hi
                      10. +2
                        15 March 2024 16: 40
                        I belittle you, do not compare yourself to me, if I am only 50 years old, then the opportunity to judge the situation in the country, from 1991 to the present, is much greater! than you have, believe me. Just like before. Those who wanted to make money worked in uranium mining. My parents wanted to live a normal life and worked in uranium geology. To the question of where, I will immediately answer, GRE-92 Kokchetav region, Kazakh SSR and MGSE of the Trust for Foreign Geology in the Mongolian People's Republic, the village of Dornod (in the future it could become the city of Erdes).
                      11. -4
                        15 March 2024 16: 43
                        Quote: pin_code
                        he also worked in uranium mining.

                        Do you even know how uranium is mined now? Or are you so afraid of radiation from natural uranium? You are funny and illiterate... bully
                        Quote: pin_code
                        what do you have believe me

                        I don’t believe it - your writing shows no intelligence, no knowledge, no upbringing... hi
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Kokchetav region, Kazakh SSR and

                        so you are also foreign? bully
                      12. +4
                        15 March 2024 17: 06
                        So you have nothing to answer except rudeness)). I have been living in the Kemerovo region (Kuzbass) since 95. And as for the mind... I may not be unique like you, but I read a lot. And I judge only based on my own considerations, whatever they may be. Therefore, continue to pray to Egorka and Borka. Orthodox Christians have God in their soul, he can pray not only in church (like you), but when he wants and where he wants. For this is not prohibited by faith. So that...
                      13. -4
                        15 March 2024 17: 08
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Orthodox Christians have God in their soul, he can pray not only in church (like you), but when he wants and where he wants. For this is not prohibited by faith. So that...

                        You would have learned the Creed better, paragraph 9 especially... theologian... hi
                        Quote: pin_code
                        And I judge only based on my own considerations, whatever they may be.

                        Another follower of Bazarov... bully
                      14. +2
                        15 March 2024 17: 15
                        This is from which side to look, who is the next successively Bazarov and Gaidar. Everything is relative. And what about the creed? Why didn't he please you? Yes, and I didn’t call myself a theologian, this is your prejudice that you are right and nothing more))).
                      15. -4
                        15 March 2024 17: 18
                        Quote: pin_code
                        successively Bazarov and there Gaidar.

                        If you don’t know, then it’s better to ask - it’s from Turgenev, Fathers and Sons... bully a nihilist who believed only in his own experience...
                        Quote: pin_code
                        And what about the creed?

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        You would have learned the Creed better, especially paragraph 9.

                        Hmm, read: I believe... 9. In the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church... hi
                      16. +3
                        15 March 2024 17: 25
                        That is, if you believe, go to church and pray?)) that’s not how it works. If you believe, pray, if you are afraid, be baptized. You know the saying: until thunder strikes, a man crosses himself? So... There should be a time for everything, work, rest and prayer. But now only grandmothers or true believers go to church to pray.
                      17. -3
                        15 March 2024 17: 37
                        Quote: pin_code
                        That is, if you believe, go to church and pray?)

                        hmm... I'm too lazy... request
                  3. 0
                    15 March 2024 18: 37
                    War requires different specialists! Solzhenitsyn was the battalion commander of the sound-metric battery.
                    Battalion commanders are generally called battalion commanders. And this one is the commander of a battery that was no closer than a few kilometers to the front line. Solzheeltsin lived well - he even sent his wife to the front. Read the memoirs of his wife, there is about this.
                    1. -4
                      17 March 2024 17: 42
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      called battalion commanders.

                      You are an amazing “expert” in military terminology! bully I’ll tell you personally - the commander begins with unification, i.e. from the army! hi
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      this one is the battery commander,

                      exactly - battalion commander... hi
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      which was no closer than a few kilometers to the front line.

                      I am simply shocked by your military knowledge - based on your “thoughts”, all the heavy artillery crews, repairmen and gunners of the BAO, anti-aircraft gunners of batteries covering cities and railway junctions, etc. did not fight. etc.
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      Solzheeltsin lived well - he even sent his wife to the front.

                      Is he alone or what? It’s good that PPZh didn’t start it like GKZh... hi
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      Solzheeltsin

                      Do you have something personal for him? Sorry.... request
              4. +1
                April 23 2024 06: 16
                My father fought for all five years... And not at headquarters... Two medals and an order. And the majority of front-line soldiers had exactly this set of awards.
                1. 0
                  April 23 2024 18: 06
                  Who's arguing? What are you talking about? My uncle fought in the VET (gunner) - 2 orders (Krish. Banner and War of the 2nd Art.) and medals for the city.
                  1. 0
                    April 23 2024 20: 33
                    My father was in tank reconnaissance... he spotted a anti-tank missile... He single-handedly crept up and destroyed the crew. Gave a star...
                    Didn’t your uncle have the classic ZBZ for courage?
                    1. 0
                      April 25 2024 12: 18
                      Quote: Rinat Khametov
                      Didn’t your uncle have the classic ZBZ for courage?
                      no request although the battle with his participation (on behalf of his commander) was written about in Red Star in the 1970s...
          2. -6
            14 March 2024 08: 43
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Solzhenitsyn, “How can we (!!!) organize Russia,” in general, writes that only the ethnic-Russian central regions need to be left!
            I read the following in this work:
            It is vitally important to have time to preserve the unity of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and the Russian-speaking part of Kazakhstan based on common Slavic roots
            You can provide proof about “leaving only the ethnic-Russian central regions,” or “non-Black Earth region wassat"Is this fecal matter from the manual?
            1. +4
              15 March 2024 12: 42
              For Shishkin. If there was a USSR now, there would no longer be a USA, and there would definitely be no EU. All sorts of Gorbachevs, Yakovlevs, Shevargnadzes and other Kozyrevs are to blame. And the main one is Khrushev. It's a shame he wasn't killed. It's a pity. But perhaps there is a time for everything. Every country has its ups and downs. We still have everything ahead.
              1. 0
                April 23 2024 20: 34
                At the end of the seventies of that century, the Soviet Union surpassed the United States in military power and could start and win a war with NATO, which is why the adventure with Afghanistan was invented
            2. 0
              April 8 2024 13: 36
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              I read the following in this work:
              It is vitally important to have time to preserve the unity of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and the Russian-speaking part of Kazakhstan based on common Slavic roots

              Do you think this is proof? wassat
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              - is this fecal matter from the manual?

              What method do you mean? Let me ask... laughing
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              You can provide proof about “leaving only the ethnic-Russian central regions,” or “non-Black Earth region

              Open and read! Yes
          3. +4
            14 March 2024 12: 06
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            ...... instead of launching rockets into space, we need to develop agriculture (in non-black earth regions wassat ), plow the land!
            And Solzh, well, is included in SCHOOL PROGRAM! And his widow, personally, is received by the Guarantor!
            And you - Weller, Ogonyok... Yes, these are all flowers...

            Just my school years, these are the last ones, when the liberal era had not yet changed the school curriculum centrally. (However, some nasty innovations had already begun.) That’s why I didn’t read the lies. Like Ogonyok.
            As for Weller, Akunin, Ulitskaya ---- a huge thank you to LEXUS and VOVAN! good If it weren’t for them ---- the hoopoes would have been around for a long time sad they cut the coupons. And then the sneaky ones started talking. How they are for ukria! For the Maidan. And it’s not clear ---- here they were favored, given what they wanted. And there, Zelebob ---- what? And yet they licked and licked. Weller himself said that Russian speakers were not needed anywhere except in the Russian Federation. At the same time he was shitting
          4. 0
            14 March 2024 23: 31
            Have you read this text? Solzhenitsyn proposed creating a single state from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Northern Kazakhstan, and not only from the ethnically Russian central regions. Actually, for your information, Siberia and the Far East are also ethnically Russian territories.
            1. +1
              15 March 2024 12: 44
              This is a fact! And by the way, more Russian people live in Siberia, regardless of nationality. Something like this...
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          5. +2
            15 March 2024 13: 16
            Yeah... In a hundred years, people in Russia will think that during the Soviet era, people in factories could only make galoshes...
            1. +1
              15 March 2024 14: 35
              Well, yes.. If the AI ​​generates Gagarin against the background of the flag of a striped motorcycle (evil empire)
        2. -4
          14 March 2024 08: 49
          Quote: Reptiloid
          In 2003, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we had a series of Weller programs on TV. In one of them, he said that it was necessary to “let go” of Kaliningrad, Chechnya, and the Far East. Everything became clear to me. His books were published and some programs were published..... But only recently his books and income from them were banned.

          And in one of them he suggested that today’s oligarchs think about it and remember that “not only dope is made from hemp.”
          1. +5
            14 March 2024 12: 40
            Quote: victor50
            ..... suggested that today's oligarchs think about it and remember that “not only dope is made from hemp.”

            What is this Weller for? Did he hint at ropes, or what? lol So it wouldn’t hurt for him to remember this himself wassat Although recoursemay have remembered recourse After I crapped myself in the transmission of VOVAN and LEXUS for the first time, my voice and everything else literally trembled, crying which was seen in another program. He almost accused everyone of being in a major conspiracy against himself out of fear. If they do something good in Rus', they certainly do it with a supply ---- there are still a lot of natural hemp ropes
            1. +3
              14 March 2024 19: 14
              There are still many natural hemp ropes available
              Well, here’s another thing: waste a natural product. They will make do with a nylon cord.
              1. +3
                14 March 2024 20: 08
                Sergei hi More modern ---- it's a plastic bag and tape laughing
      2. +3
        14 March 2024 08: 58
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        The magazine "Ogonyok" under Korotich was saturated with anti-Sovietism
        The most popular print and information engines of “perestroika” (the collapse of the USSR) were the magazine “Ogonyok” and the newspaper “Komsomolskaya Pravda”.
        1. 0
          April 23 2024 20: 43
          The press in the union, such as magazines, was small in number and influenced only the wealthy intelligentsia. I read newspapers, but I don’t remember anything criminal
    2. +10
      14 March 2024 06: 23
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Svolota and Weller and Korotich.

      And the form is:
      Budyonny was covered with small beads and scratched with a feather. Gorky cleared his throat loudly into his handkerchief, blew his nose and wiped away his tears.

      Those are still graphomaniacs, drinkers...
      1. +4
        14 March 2024 12: 46
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        .... Those are still graphomaniacs, drinkers...

        Probably, at that time, any lie that the destroyers of the USSR wanted would have been accepted. And they passed it off as reality. In principle, there weren’t many such scoundrels in the whole country, %%%. However, helpers were found both here and over the hill
    3. +12
      14 March 2024 09: 29
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Svolota and Weller and Korotich.

      Starting with Khrushchev, this bastard has not become smaller.
      Stalin himself said during the war: “I know that after my death they will put a lot of garbage on my grave. But the winds of history will mercilessly dispel it!”
      But so far history has not dispelled it, although weak shoots are emerging.
      1. +1
        April 8 2024 14: 38
        Quote: carpenter
        Stalin himself said during the war: “I know that after my death they will put a heap of garbage on my grave. But the winds of history will mercilessly dispel it!”

        Did you just say it yourself? Have you heard it personally?
        What is not attributed to Stalin! And about the phrase that is in the title of this article, and about the forest and wood chips and.... many more fake statements.
        And most importantly, they are all cited with such categorical confidence: HE SAID ITSELF!!!
        1. 0
          April 8 2024 21: 23
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          Did you just say it yourself? Have you heard it personally?

          I was just born then, but I trust my father, he never lied.
          Don't touch Stalin.
          1. 0
            April 9 2024 08: 06
            Quote: carpenter
            I was just born then, but I trust my father, he never lied.

            So your father PERSONALLY heard this?
            You know, this is very similar to the children of “enemies of the people” who tell stories about how their grandfather was imprisoned for three ears of corn. And when you make an offer, let’s look at the matter, now a lot has been declassified, you can get acquainted... They immediately refuse - I don’t know anything and don’t want to know and I’m not going to get acquainted with any materials... but I believe my grandmother! She never lied!
            Quote: carpenter
            Don't touch Stalin.

            What is this for? Did I somehow offend the honor and dignity of Joseph Vissarionovich?
  2. +15
    14 March 2024 05: 06
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    journalist Maxim Sokolov. In 1996 in the Kommersant newspaper
    Isn’t it for this that this liberalist received the Order of “Defender of Free Russia” from the hands of Drunk?
    Another prominent popularizer of the famous phrase allegedly from Zhukov was the writer Mikhail Weller
    A Jew living in Estonia, watering our country with gas and “caring” about its well-being from abroad. This is an ideal client for Petrov and Bashirov
    1. +9
      14 March 2024 05: 24
      received the Order of "Defender of Free Russia"

      - No, guys, I'm not proud.
      Without making a distance
      So I say: why do I need an order?
      I agree to the medal.
      This is what I mean -
      The Medal “Defender of Free Russia” is a state award of the Russian Federation.
      The first state award of the Russian Federation since its establishment; was established by the Law of the Russian Federation of July 2, 1992 No. 3183

      There (on Wikipedia) you can read something else interesting about the heroes of the article
      Alexander Aleksandrovich Bushkov (born April 5, 1956, Minusinsk, Krasnoyarsk Territory, RSFSR, USSR) - Russian writer, works in the genres of action-packed detective and fantasy, author of journalism on historical topics A. Bushkov admits that he writes almost without interruption and that’s the only way he can keep yourself in creative tone. To the question “Do you drink?” A. Bushkov replied that he works hard for a month, then drinks a bucket of vodka, comes to his senses for a day and continues to write further
      1. +10
        14 March 2024 07: 47
        Bushkov was shoved into this company of anti-Sovietists, Samsonov scholars, from what? Well, he doesn’t like Zhora, that is what it is, but he respects Soviet power, and considers Stalin the most outstanding emperor in history. And I didn’t write about the sayings of the State Committee for Women “women give birth”, about bicycle pumps and carpets. And what is thumping... let it not interfere with work.
    2. +26
      14 March 2024 05: 25
      How many such expressions are wandering around Russia! For example, Stalin’s famous statement, which he did not utter: “If there is a person, there is a problem, if there is no person, there is no problem.” This is a work of fiction by the writer Rybakov - “Children of the Arbat”. Like a true “artist,” Rybakov thought that Stalin could have said this. Then the phrase went for a walk among the people, and this scum... was still indignant that the author of the statement had been forgotten! It’s an amazing thing, he slandered a person, and he’s also offended!!
      1. +17
        14 March 2024 05: 27
        Quote: Proxima
        This is the fiction of the writer Rybakov
        Rybakov, this is the same scum as all these Wellers, Shenderovichs and other scum from the garbage can
        1. +17
          14 March 2024 06: 03
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          all these Wellers, Shenderovichs

          You forgot Svanidze - he’s such an abomination. I got hit in the face live!
          1. +10
            14 March 2024 06: 11
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            You forgot Svanidze - he’s still an abomination
            I haven’t forgotten about anyone, it’s just that if you start listing all this abomination by name, you won’t have enough time to write, and you won’t have enough time to read
            1. +7
              14 March 2024 06: 13
              Quote: Dutchman Michel
              I haven't forgotten

              These are the most odious...
          2. +10
            14 March 2024 08: 34
            And unfortunately there are a lot of such Svanidzes and for some reason everyone is at the feeding trough, on television...
            1. +6
              14 March 2024 10: 58
              Quote: pin_code
              And unfortunately there are a lot of such Svanidzes and for some reason everyone is at the feeding trough, on television...

              I'll tell you an open secret. The current government consists of just such scoundrels.
          3. +2
            19 March 2024 13: 21
            I recently learned that in 1993 Svanidze tried to produce a sequel to “White Sun of the Desert”, where Sukhov and his wife are repressed by being sent to the Gulag and then shot.... It’s good that it didn’t work out to ruin the classic
      2. +2
        14 March 2024 19: 17
        Like a true "artist" Rybakov
        These "true artists" prefer to write under pseudonyms. In reality, he is some kind of “Holder” (this character was in the neighbors’ office).
  3. +20
    14 March 2024 05: 08
    The bloody tyrant Stalin, they were filled with corpses, one rifle for three, all German women were raped, tens of millions were shot and tortured in the Gulag, the slave Soviet people, they only made galoshes

    Terran! Corpses, tanks, guns and planes!
    One tank for four people, and in the navy it’s absolute hell - one destroyer for 400 people!
    German women, Germans and Scots, because they don’t care to roam around in skirts!
    Billions personally shot by Terrans!
    Only slaves are capable of creating partisan detachments and mass voluntary militias, any liberal will say!
    Galoshes and felt boots, and then cynically launched them into orbit!
    (Irony, if anyone why and why.))))
    1. +5
      14 March 2024 06: 36
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Galoshes and felt boots, and then cynically launched them into orbit!

      And about galoshes, whose phrase is this?
      Or was it irony for Him too?
      1. +11
        14 March 2024 06: 59
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        And about galoshes, whose phrase is this?
        Or was it irony for Him too?

        There may have been irony, but it was somehow very hidden.
        The fact is that what we produced (and there is no need to wave our hands) was not needed by anyone, because no one bought our galoshes except Africans, who had to walk on hot sand.
        Yes, there were laudatory words about the defense industry, but the words about the civilian industry have not gone away... The words of a not very competent person. Because they bought EVERYTHING, from cars to vitamin complexes. And galoshes too. wink
        1. +8
          14 March 2024 07: 15
          There may have been irony, but it was somehow very hidden.
          Listen or read the interview with Kiselyov, in relation to the USSR, there are only “galoshes”, and all the failures are explained by one phrase: “We were deceived”, no matter how many times the phrase was uttered in other cases, he never said: “I was deceived” smile
          1. +10
            14 March 2024 08: 40
            Quote: parusnik
            I never once said, “I was deceived.”

            This is from life: I found a joint, I noticed it, I caught it, I handed over the catch...
            WE ARE stranded! laughing
      2. +2
        19 March 2024 13: 23
        Well, if Solzh and EBN are respected people, and the fascist Ilyin is his favorite philosopher, then many things shouldn’t be surprising
    2. -6
      14 March 2024 13: 07
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Corpses, tanks, guns and planes!

      I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the forces of the parties and the losses of the tank battle of Brody in June 1941, you might think a little... hi
      1. +4
        14 March 2024 14: 53
        Quote: DrEng02
        I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the forces of the parties and the losses of the tank battle of Brody in June 1941, you might think a little...

        I recommend remembering that the war was not limited to 1941 and figuring out what would have happened if the USSR had not had tanks, artillery and aviation.
        1. -5
          14 March 2024 15: 00
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          that the war was not limited to 1941

          however, the consequences of 41g are very sad... request
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          and imagine what would have happened if the USSR didn’t have tanks, artillery and aviation.
          If it's not a secret, what's the point? hi Let me remind you that just before the war, the GKZh de facto destroyed the tank forces through a thoughtless reorganization, which he himself said in his memoir - that he did not take into account the possibilities of the military industry... being the head of the General Staff of the Red Army... request
          1. +2
            14 March 2024 15: 10
            Quote: DrEng02
            however, the consequences of 41g are very sad...

            Yes, the whole Great Patriotic War is not a reason for joy

            Quote: DrEng02
            If it's not a secret, what's the point?
            Do you seriously think that without the masses of tanks, aviation and artillery, even with the “defeated” tank forces, which is an exaggeration, the masses of infantry would somehow have held back the Wehrmacht? If you think so, then this secret will never be revealed to you.
            In general, the words “tanks, guns and planes” are not a joke - they just filled them up, because they wouldn’t have been able to fill them up with corpses.
            1. -8
              14 March 2024 15: 20
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Yes, the whole Great Patriotic War is not a reason for joy

              who can argue, but if you look at the actions of the leadership of the USSR before the start of the war, they noticeably aggravated the situation: both with mediocre military construction and the consolidation of enemies into one bloc - see the unfinished Finland and Romania... I’m not even writing about sending troops into the war ...banned... hi
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              “This is not a joke - they just filled it up, because it wouldn’t have been possible to fill it up with corpses.

              I’ll tell you the obvious - at the same time as the tanks/airplanes, their crews also died... the crazy funds and efforts spent on their creation and training went to waste...
              and then the enemy was stopped by newly formed divisions, noticeably worse trained and armed... request And then the tanks were declared bad and obsolete, the planes too, their crews poorly trained, some of the switchmen were shot, and the incompetent leaders became heroes... hi
              1. +5
                14 March 2024 15: 22
                As I can see, you have a specific Liberdos illogical mess in your head...
                1. -7
                  14 March 2024 15: 23
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Well, I’ll see you have a specific Liberdos illogical mess in your head...

                  as I see, you tend to put labels - usually this is a consequence of lack of knowledge... bully
                  1. +4
                    14 March 2024 15: 24
                    Quote: DrEng02
                    This is usually a consequence of lack of knowledge.

                    A set of cliches of the perestroika Ogonyok level is not a lot of knowledge - it’s a Liberdos porridge.
                    1. -5
                      14 March 2024 15: 37
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      This is Liberdos' porridge.

                      Quote: DrEng02
                      I see you tend to label

                      I turned out to be right... so, maybe you can refute at least something from my message Today, 15:20? For example:
                      Quote: DrEng02
                      And then the tanks were declared bad and obsolete,

                      especially T-28E... of which there were more than T-4
                      or
                      Quote: DrEng02
                      consolidation of enemies into one block - see unfinished Finland and Romania

                      and these are 2 additional fronts... request
                      However, I don’t expect anything reasonable - you’re more of a mess... feel
                      1. +2
                        14 March 2024 17: 30
                        This alone is such stupidity that you are amazed.
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        and then the enemy was stopped by newly formed divisions, noticeably worse trained and armed...

                        Because the Germans lost momentum, lost equipment and people, and reached Moscow on the eve of frost. Later than Napoleon on horseback! And it was precisely thanks to the masses of tanks, planes and artillery, because the Germans passed through infantry, and any kind, not just Soviet, like butter.

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        especially T-28E
                        About five hundred T-28s were built, but you really are one of the Liberdos ignoramuses.

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        consolidation of enemies into one block - see unfinished Finland and Romania
                        and these are 2 additional fronts...
                        This is news, the libertarians began to reproach Stalin for not getting the Finns and Romanians... And with what forces to carry out the occupation, are you the first strategist, in the ranking among the grandmother? Apart from relations with England...


                        Quote: DrEng02
                        However, I don’t expect anything reasonable - you’re more of a mess...
                        I’m afraid you won’t be able to handle the porridge with such “knowledge”. Ognykov’s squalor has already been chewed and dumped a hundred times, but the reproach to Stalin about the failure to achieve the Finns and Romanians is fresh, I must admit. Stupid of course, but fresh.
                      2. 0
                        15 March 2024 09: 43
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        This alone is such stupidity that you are amazed.

                        You are self-critical about yourself... feel

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        About five hundred T-28s were built, but you really are one of the Liberdos ignoramuses.

                        Tell me, expert, how many T-4 tanks were there in the Wehrmacht in June 41? bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And with what forces to carry out the occupation, are you the first strategist, in the ranking among the grandmother?

                        you were brought up badly by your parents and you were taught poorly... request The occupation would not require 2 fronts that fought against these countries, as well as ammunition, etc. request And their territory would not become a source of aggression... but it’s difficult for you...
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Apart from relations with England...

                        what were they like before 22.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX? bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Stupid of course, but fresh.

                        The funny thing is that you are engaged in self-spanking and puffing out your cheeks.... feel I’m just politely helping you to show you and the community your stupidity and bad manners... hi
                      3. 0
                        15 March 2024 10: 13
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Tell me, expert, how many T-4 tanks were there in the Wehrmacht in June 41?

                        About five hundred, but can you tell me in what year the first T-28s were produced, and in what year the last?
                        Quote: DrEng02

                        you were brought up poorly by your parents and you were taught poorly...
                        Do you imagine that I will rush around with the bearer of the wretched stamps of the liberda like with a written bag?

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        The occupation would not require 2 fronts that fought against these countries, as well as ammunition, etc. request And their territory would not become a source of aggression... but it’s difficult for you...
                        Hey, grandma’s strategist, where did you get the idea that the occupation would have fallen into your hands? In fact, people like you believe that the Finnish losses amounted to only about 25 killed - 000 percent of the number of troops at the beginning of the Winter War. What would the remaining 10 -220 do? A?
                        How are you going to conquer Romania, and even with crossing the Prut? Because the ENTIRE Romanian army retreated from Bessarabia to the territory of Romania proper.

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        what were they like before 22.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX?

                        Actually, they are full-fledged diplomatic ones.

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        I’m just politely helping you to show you and the community your stupidity and bad manners...

                        Wow, luminary. It’s a pity that you demonstrate simply scanty knowledge and completely poor thinking.
                      4. 0
                        15 March 2024 10: 58
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        About five hundred T-28s were built, but you really are one of the Liberdos ignoramuses.

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        About five hundred

                        Those. 500 T-28 is nothing, but 500 T-4 is strength... Your double standards of agitprop are ridiculous... request
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Can you tell me in what year the first T-28s were released, and in what year the last?

                        1933-40, i.e. the oldest tank was 8 years old... hi I’m writing in advance, the absence of a staff member is not an objective indicator, but the illiteracy of high management... hi
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Do you imagine that I will rush around with the bearer of the wretched stamps of the liberda like with a written bag?

                        I don’t imagine about you, I flog you with the rods of knowledge that you don’t have... request
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Because the ENTIRE Romanian army withdrew from Bessarabia

                        Why did the geniuses of the IVS and GKZ strategy allow her? Or do you think the essence of strategy is to actively rally the ranks of the enemy?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        the Finnish losses were only about 25 killed -

                        Wow, you write disparagingly about the knife... hi If you are talking about Finnish troops, then you should have thought about this BEFORE the start of hostilities...
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Actually, they are full-fledged diplomatic ones.

                        Is that why the British planned bombing attacks on Baku? bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        It’s a pity that you demonstrate simply scanty knowledge and completely poor thinking.

                        can you quote me? Or will you crawl away? hi
                      5. 0
                        15 March 2024 15: 45
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Because the Germans lost momentum, lost equipment and people, and reached Moscow on the eve of frost. Later than Napoleon on horseback! And it was precisely thanks to the masses of tanks, planes and artillery, because the Germans passed through infantry, and any kind, not just Soviet, like butter.
                        You leaked this topic.

                        can you quote me? Or will you crawl away?
                        Long time, or what?

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Those. 500 T-28 is nothing, but 500 T-4 is strength... Your double standards of agitprop are ridiculous...
                        And I didn’t write anywhere that the T-28s are bad, for ’33 it’s not at all, that’s your stupidity, but to consider that they are equal to the Pz-4 is an example of stupidity. At least in terms of the functions of the crew, the imperfection of the suspension, and the lack of prospects for modernization due to the high silhouette - the T-28E is the limit, besides, only about a hundred vehicles were available for such a modification, due to the armor. But that's just stupidity. but further...

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Is that why the British planned bombing attacks on Baku?
                        Well, they planned, and even with the French, but they didn’t do it, including due to the fact that the temporary detention center did not get further into the Finnish area.
                        But you wrote this nonsense
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Apart from relations with England...

                        what were they like before 22.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX?
                        That the USSR had NO relations with England - isn’t this an idiocy? Especially against the backdrop of the subsequent military alliance, can you guess who is with whom?


                        Quote: DrEng02
                        what, you write disparagingly about the knife... If you are talking about the Finnish troops, then you should have thought about this BEFORE the start of hostilities...
                        What a stupid leak. Even dumber than these words:
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        The occupation would not require 2 fronts that fought against these countries, as well as ammunition, etc.

                        200 Finns are unhappy with your stupidity.

                        Here you reproached the temporary detention center for capturing Suomi. And do you know that the Finnish woman fully and more than fulfilled the conditions of the pre-war ultimatum?


                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Why did the geniuses of the IVS and GKZ strategy allow her?
                        This is stupidity and ignorance rolled into one. No one declared war on Romania, and its government fulfilled the conditions of the ultimatum, which were very beneficial for the USSR.
                        What kind of idiot do you have to be to gain bloodlessly significant lands and then climb through a natural water obstacle and start an openly aggressive war against an army that did not suffer losses, and in violation of agreements.
                        Duplicate:
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        The occupation would not require 2 fronts that fought against these countries, as well as ammunition, etc.
                        Rate the idiocy, not mine.
                        So the IVS is a genius, the GKZh is not a fool, but you are the one who would climb through a natural water obstacle and start an openly aggressive war against an army that did not suffer losses, but in violation of agreements.


                        Quote: DrEng02
                        consolidation of enemies into one block - see unfinished Finland and Romania...
                        Without the Germans, neither of them would have attacked the USSR, but if we had gotten involved in a long war with them, then Mongolia would have been the only ally we would have had against Hitler.
                        But this is not interesting to people like you, because you are one of those who would climb through a natural water obstacle and start an openly aggressive war against an army that did not suffer losses, but in violation of agreements.
                      6. -1
                        15 March 2024 16: 21
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        You leaked this topic.

                        Why discuss stupidity? For example, in 1914 the Germans almost reached Paris on foot (without a RIA attack in East Prussia!), but in Russia they couldn’t request And in 1941 there were 20 tons of tanks, but it turned out to be 5 million prisoners hi
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Long time, or what?

                        We're waiting...
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        but to consider that they are equal to Pz-4 is an example of stupidity

                        Of course - they are noticeably better! which was brilliantly confirmed by the 20th Tank Brigade during the assault on the Manerheim line... a tank is a cart for a gun - let’s compare a cigarette butt and an L10? hi
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        already your stupidity,

                        What kind of incontinence you have! bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        for 33 years old this is not the case at all,

                        what's bad request for 41g? Especially shielded ones?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        What kind of idiot do you have to be to gain bloodlessly significant lands and then climb through a natural water obstacle and start an openly aggressive war against an army that did not suffer losses, and in violation of agreements.

                        Your strategy is very bad, just like the IVS... request Until 1940, Romania (and this is oil!) was oriented towards England, then towards Hitler, and almost half of the fuel in the Wehrmacht tanks came from there... It’s a pity that you don’t want to think... request
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Especially against the backdrop of the subsequent military alliance

                        Have you even read Churchill's WW2 book? It looks like not at all, you are broadcasting agitprop...
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        What a stupid leak. Even dumber than these words:

                        those. Are you unable to understand elementary truths? bully
                        That they are planning a war? Let me note that it was the USSR that attacked Finland, and itself gave it these borders in 1917 through the stupidity of VIL... hi

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        200 Finns are unhappy with your stupidity.

                        Not Finnish anymore? bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And do you know that the Finnish woman fully and more than fulfilled the conditions of the pre-war ultimatum?

                        knife again... request Do you know that without the war of 1939-40, there might not have been a war with the Finns in 1941? But in reality, Finnish troops were stopped at the old border... and why did they put 80 tons of ours in the Winter War? OR under the hypnosis of Agtprop about moving the border away from Leningrad? bully

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        No one declared war on Romania,

                        you're funny... do you want checkers or go?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        starting an openly aggressive war

                        What's the problem? why take over Romania - you can just change the regime like in 1944... Do you realize the level of your self-suffering? The temporary detention center understood everything in 1944, but you haven’t caught up in the 21st century... request
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        but if we got involved in a long war with them

                        so they got together, you still don’t understand? Only the Romanians fought near Odessa, Sevastopol and Stalingrad, but they could have fought right away near Ploeshi...
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        climbed through a natural water obstacle

                        Why did you get this Rod? The Germans didn’t even notice her in ’41... bully
                        Or are you fighting without water barriers? However, you are an expert in geography... hi
                      7. 0
                        15 March 2024 18: 13
                        Well, what else could a character write who would climb through a natural water obstacle and start an openly aggressive war against an army that had not suffered losses, but in violation of agreements.
                        And as is already known:
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        What kind of idiot do you have to be to gain bloodlessly significant lands and then climb through a natural water obstacle and start an openly aggressive war against an army that did not suffer losses, and in violation of agreements.
                      8. 0
                        17 March 2024 17: 46
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        who would climb through a natural water obstacle

                        Is it not a secret - have you read about the crossing of the Dnieper or Oder? bully
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        starting an openly aggressive war

                        Wasn’t the war against Finland openly aggressive? The USSR recognized the borders of Finland... request
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Yes, in violation of agreements.

                        The temporary detention center violated any agreements when it considered it appropriate, both in the internal political struggle and in international relations... hi On his orders, Trotsky used an ice pick, and you’re talking about some Romania... bully
                        Are you not a Menshevik for nothing? feel
                      9. +1
                        18 March 2024 04: 00
                        I was going to answer something there, look for arguments that would be understandable even to someone like you...


                        Quote: DrEng02
                        The temporary detention center violated any agreements when it considered it appropriate, both in the internal political struggle and in international relations...

                        But it's just darkness. Even Ogonyok didn’t think of such an idiocy...
                        Why argue with someone like you? It’s like talking about Hegel with a tent peg.
                      10. -1
                        19 March 2024 13: 17
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        look for arguments that are understandable even to someone like you...

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Wasn’t the war against Finland openly aggressive? The USSR recognized the borders of Finland...

                        found or lost hi
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        It’s like talking about Hegel with a tent peg.

                        So are you also an expert on Gelel? Probably read it in the original. in German, translations are not very good... request
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Even Ogonyok didn’t think of such an idiocy...

                        So, did you avidly read Ogonyok in Perestroika? So we screwed up... bully
                        If you didn’t study the History of the CPSU well, then I’ll chew on it: the IVS together with Zinoviev overthrew Trotsky, and then the IVS shot Zinoviev... feel
                        Let's move on to the foreign policy of the IVS? hi
            2. 0
              19 March 2024 13: 24
              It would have been possible to fill it with corpses, the victory would not have happened
  4. +6
    14 March 2024 05: 20
    We heard a lot of disgusting and hypocritical things at that time. Yes, sometimes even now.
  5. -10
    14 March 2024 05: 42
    they only made galoshes etc.
    Yes, it looked shameful, it was a shame for the GDP, it seems that he has wised up and now does not spit in the well. recourse
    1. +10
      14 March 2024 06: 05
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      seems wiser

      It seems to you....
    2. +7
      14 March 2024 06: 08
      And for what reason did this history expert suddenly become wiser? Isn't it too late?
      1. 0
        14 March 2024 06: 38
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        And for what reason did this history expert suddenly become wiser?

        So they brought him a folder with documents! Haven't you seen it at Carson's?
        1. +2
          14 March 2024 06: 57
          This is the wrong folder.

    3. -5
      14 March 2024 09: 30
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      I was ashamed of the GDP
      Ashamed? To you?! You don't even know what shame is! This is a feeling directed by a person towards himself, his thoughts or actions. “Ashamed of someone” is always an imitation made with the aim of simultaneously humiliating the morality of another and elevating one’s own in one’s own eyes or the eyes of the public. At least they added “And I, a fool, believed him!”; One could still pass for a conscientious fool.
  6. +17
    14 March 2024 05: 44
    It was popular then to denigrate the history of the Soviet Union

    Why then, it has always been popular. It’s not even that scary, it’s scary that in one generation all those who remembered the USSR will leave, and no one will be able to tell young people how it really was. And the “patriots of capitalism” will continue to pour mud on the great cause of socialism...
    1. -8
      14 March 2024 06: 34
      Quote: Doccor18
      It’s not even that scary, it’s scary that in one generation all those who remembered the USSR will leave, and no one will be able to tell young people how it really was.

      Grandfather, a front-line soldier, spat at Soviet films about the war, I spit at modern ones.
      A lie - it can be seen from afar
      Whoever wants to find the truth will find it, whoever doesn’t want to, will brush it aside
      Quote: ROSS 42
      free two-room apartment. And “Doctorskaya” sausage cost 2 rubles 20 kopecks per kg. A movie ticket to the Yubileiny cinema cost 10 kopecks.

      with the words “So what?”

      Quote: Doccor18
      all those who remembered the USSR will leave, and no one will be able to tell the youth what it really was like
      - the participants of the Revolution and the REV have left, practically the participants of the Second World War have left, 20 years and a mass of VO readers will leave.
      There's nothing you can do about it
      1. +5
        14 March 2024 19: 23
        Grandfather, a front-line soldier, spat at Soviet films about the war
        And did you spit at “The Living and the Dead”? And from "Torpedo Bombers"? Lying is bad.
        1. -2
          14 March 2024 19: 42
          Quote: Aviator_
          Grandfather, a front-line soldier, spat at Soviet films about the war
          And did you spit at “The Living and the Dead”? And from "Torpedo Bombers"? Lying is bad.

          He watched 3 films - “They Fought for the Motherland”, “Hot Snow” and “The Ballad of a Soldier”. Everyone else watched for about 10 minutes and left with the words “Bullshit.”
          1. +3
            14 March 2024 19: 48
            He watched 3 films - “They Fought for the Motherland”, “Hot Snow” and “The Ballad of a Soldier”. Everyone else watched for about 10 minutes and left with the words “Bullshit.”
            And the ones I wrote about? My father did not like comedies on a military theme (Antosha Rybkin, for example), although he enjoyed watching The Heavenly Slug. And “Only old men go into battle” too. He was an aircraft navigator during the war (Pe-2, P-5, P-Z, Po-2). I didn’t criticize “The Ballad of a Soldier” and “The Cranes Are Flying”, but I didn’t accept them either.
            1. 0
              14 March 2024 19: 55
              Quote: Aviator_
              And the ones I wrote about?

              Quote: Aviator_
              Ballad of a Soldier" and "The Cranes Are Flying" didn’t scold, but didn’t perceive it either.
              - you see.
              Artilleryman-heavy howitzer, art reconnaissance, from the May training camp until 1943 - before the German anti-personnel mine (his fingers were crooked and there was a fistula in the heel - he was discharged)
  7. +12
    14 March 2024 06: 00
    It is good that there are people for whom slander and shame on the Soviet past are a spit on their own lives. Otherwise, “experienced” people born in 1985 will gather here and begin to talk about the sins of socialism, the vices of the USSR, and there are also those who have never seen a cow or a sheep (mainly Siberian Cranes and Far Eastern leopards), but talk about the absence of meat and meat and dairy breeds of cattle, or begins to remember how he walked down the alley in galoshes before his studies, because in the USSR they did not produce anything except galoshes...
    * * *
    Today, the presidential candidate, whom everyone knows and elects, SUDDENLY remembered the progressive scale of personal income tax, migrants and many other things, which became an “insurmountable” obstacle in the construction of a “bright bourgeois society.” This is probably how he will approach the abolition of the pension reform...And what woke him up a quarter of a century later? According to the historical calendar after WWII, the year would have been 1969...Does anyone remember these years? For example, in 1966 I moved (together with my parents) into a free two-room apartment. And the Doctor’s sausage cost 2 rubles 20 kopecks per kg. A movie ticket to the Yubileiny cinema cost 10 kopecks.
    1. +1
      14 March 2024 06: 14
      Quote: ROSS 42
      and begin to talk about the sins of socialism, the vices of the USSR
      So they have a good basis for such reasoning. Wellers, Shenderovichs and other feces that left their mark in anti-state propaganda
    2. +8
      14 March 2024 06: 20
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It would be 1969...

      I graduated from seafaring! I was young, happy, my whole life ahead of me!
      Of course I remember everything...
      1. -6
        14 March 2024 13: 09
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Of course I remember everything...

        And stores filled with food and goods at affordable prices? feel
        1. +7
          14 March 2024 13: 34
          Quote: DrEng02
          And stores filled with food and goods

          And stores filled with food... It happened. I still remember the taste and smell of that sausage. So that...
          1. -6
            14 March 2024 13: 51
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            And stores filled with food... It happened.

            storyteller you ... request
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            I still remember the taste and smell of that sausage. So that...

            Youth should not be confused with the political system... hi
            1. +8
              14 March 2024 13: 56
              Quote: DrEng02
              Youth should not be confused with the political system.

              I'm not confused!
              Under this system, I studied, got a profession, a favorite job, an apartment, and lived and worked for the good of the people. Before perestroika.
              1. -7
                14 March 2024 14: 10
                Quote from Uncle Lee
                I'm not confused!

                Not at all... you even descend into outright tales about full stores.... request
                I lived then and I remember everything - people lived poorly, for example, all my friends wore (outside school) padded jackets and rubber boots... etc., etc....
                Quote from Uncle Lee
                Under this system, I learned, got a profession, a favorite job, an apartment
                somehow it worked under tsarism, and even now... request
                Quote from Uncle Lee
                and worked for the good of the people.

                really? Did you even donate your salary to the Peace Fund? feel
                1. 0
                  14 March 2024 17: 20
                  Quote: DrEng02
                  Quote from Uncle Lee

                  and worked for the good of the people.

                  really? Did you even donate your salary to the Peace Fund?
                  Do you doubt that there were people in the USSR for whom the realization that their work was a benefit for the people gave additional incentive to work, even against the backdrop of low wages? In vain.
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2024 11: 02
                    Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                    In vain.

                    maybe there were, I didn’t come across them, especially among workers - they usually talked about prices, profitable orders, etc. hi
                    1. +1
                      15 March 2024 11: 27
                      Quote: DrEng02
                      I didn’t come across any, especially among workers - they usually talked about prices...
                      Workers are generally not used to baring their souls to the first person they meet. Party secretaries who themselves did nothing else shouted about this loudly at meetings and in the press. For a working man to repeat their chants was bad manners and self-praise, and good prices are interesting to everyone. Those chasing long rubles were half-contemptuously called “flyers,” while good craftsmen and production veterans were generally respected.
                      1. -1
                        15 March 2024 11: 42
                        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                        in front of the first person you meet.

                        As I understand it, you are a theorist, and my father was a 6p universal turner... request
                      2. +1
                        15 March 2024 11: 54
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        As I understand it, you are a theorist, and my father was
                        My first employment record is as a turner apprentice. And they all had fathers.
                  2. 0
                    April 23 2024 06: 08
                    What is the difference between the fund and loans, for which up to a quarter of the salary was forcibly collected both during the war and during the times of Khrushchev
                2. +2
                  14 March 2024 23: 31
                  Padded jackets and boots were worn not out of poverty, but because in the villages it was the most practical and comfortable clothing, but in the cities they did not wear it that way.
                  1. 0
                    15 March 2024 11: 04
                    Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                    but in the cities they didn’t walk like that.

                    Tomsk, early 70s... they wore what was in stores, there were also coats with a fur collar - but not for teenagers... hi
        2. +4
          14 March 2024 19: 30
          And stores filled with food and goods at affordable prices?
          Exactly. I studied in Orenburg in the 7th grade. This is not Moscow or Leningrad.
          1. 0
            15 March 2024 11: 43
            Quote: Aviator_
            in the 7th grade.

            understandably... hi I lived in Siberia and the Urals - I didn’t see it... request
          2. 0
            April 23 2024 06: 10
            The products in the stores were...
            But not all. Milk, butter, cereals, vegetables...
            Everything else was in short supply, and until the end of Soviet power
    3. +4
      14 March 2024 13: 03
      Quote: ROSS 42
      ..... the “experienced” ones, born in 1985, will gather here and begin to talk about the sins of socialism, the vices of the USSR, and there are also those who have never seen a cow or a sheep.....

      Well, I don’t know, I didn’t notice this. I'm from 1985 myself. And although he lived in the USSR for a short time, he developed a love for the Socialist Motherland. I wanted to be an October boy, a pioneer, a Komsomol member..... it didn’t happen. And at school many people thought so
      1. +5
        14 March 2024 13: 25
        Dima hi This doesn't apply to you. You are the right guy!
        1. +5
          14 March 2024 13: 34
          Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich! It’s interesting that there are also bloggers my age, +,-)) who are very pro-socialist. Moreover, they are good in theory. I think about them ---- how can this be? They did it, but it doesn’t suit me request I had no theoretical knowledge at all until I came here. Tatiana I am very grateful for her explanations about industry, economics, etc.
          I'll add one more thing. I not only lived under socialism, but even under communism. I think you too, Vladimir Vladimirovich. We got such places of residence. wink Without unification and honesty among equals, it is difficult to survive. hi
      2. Msi
        0
        14 March 2024 13: 37
        I'm just 1985 myself

        And I was born in 1985...
        And at school many people thought so
        I don’t remember thinking about anything like that at school... You exaggerated something...
        1. +2
          14 March 2024 13: 43
          Quote from Msi
          ..... I don’t remember thinking about anything like that at school... You exaggerated something...

          I'm from Leningrad. They expected us to be received in October, they discussed it, they pushed something back for us. I don’t remember, it seemed like it was somehow connected with the new school building. This is a new building. Then they waited for the pioneers. .....then they began to understand that nothing would happen. Do you think we didn’t think then? lol couldn't? But they didn’t even remember about the Komsomol.
          1. Msi
            +1
            14 March 2024 13: 47
            They expected us to be received in October, they discussed it, they pushed something back for us.

            My older brother managed to be an October child (he is 3 years older)... I went to school in 1992... I was not an October child...
            1. +1
              14 March 2024 13: 53
              There was probably someone at our school who wanted this. In the second grade there were books about family and a woman with a big belly and a child inside! But then they soon stopped it. Then there was a teacher who said that New Year, February 23 and March 8 cannot be celebrated. Only church ones. It was removed due to complaints from parents.
              1. Msi
                +3
                14 March 2024 14: 00
                In the author's class there were books about family and a woman with a big belly and a child inside!

                belay
                We mainly had classical Soviet teachers... Now, and even earlier, I realized what strong professionals they were... The historian is a good teacher, but she said that for Khakamada, for the SpS, I remember that for sure... I was quiet and a modest boy, he didn’t argue with her... Under the influence of his father, he was for the Communist Party...
                I remember the 1996 elections, evening, Zyuganov was in the lead, my father was happy and I was at the same time laughing... I went to bed... I wake up, swear, we lost...
                1. +1
                  14 March 2024 15: 57
                  Quote from Msi
                  . under the influence of my father, I was for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation... I remember the 1996 elections, evening, Zyuganov was in the lead, my father was joyful and I was at the same time laughing... I went to bed... I wake up, swear, we lost...

                  Relatives also voted for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation..... and then they said that there was no point in going to vote, since the USSR did not survive and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation did not lead, or they said that it was necessary “against everyone” ..... I forgot....
                  But I don’t remember the school teachers well... new buildings, there were either not enough teachers or they were changing. Transport is bad
              2. +2
                14 March 2024 19: 37
                It was removed due to complaints from parents.
                The parents turned out to be normal. Lucky.
                1. +1
                  14 March 2024 20: 18
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  ..... The parents turned out to be normal. Lucky.

                  So the children were in shock! They came home and told me......, back then the church didn’t interfere in anything. Although, talk about restitution began...... But at that time the subject of Mythology of the Peoples of the World appeared. I don't know if there is now recourse
          2. +3
            14 March 2024 19: 35
            But they didn’t even remember about the Komsomol.
            Dmitry, the Komsomol of the 40s and the Komsomol of the late 80s are completely different organizations. Even on the 50th anniversary of the Komsomol (1968), there was such an anecdote: “how much the Komsomol has grown in 50 years - by half a meter, if before it could handle any task, then after 50 years - on another part of the body”
            1. +2
              14 March 2024 20: 30
              Probably, Sergey, by the age of 15-16 everyone somehow realized that this was a different country. There was a lot of advertising of cigarettes, beer, vodka, (DIPLOMAT - high status), propaganda of drinking plastic beer and much more.....
              Quote: Aviator_
              ..... Dmitry, Komsomol member of the 40s ....

              But we still get to the Ganges,
              but we will still die in battles,
              So that from Europe to England
              My motherland shone!
      3. 0
        April 23 2024 06: 12
        I have long noticed that those who drown for socialism are those who had more benefits from this socialism compared to those around them. Communists especially tear up priests
        1. 0
          April 23 2024 12: 43
          Give an example, please. In my opinion, on the contrary, those who grabbed the most - it was not enough for them, they betrayed.
          Chubais, Gorbachev, others like that. Or Soviet artists, or intellectuals sad so called,
  8. +8
    14 March 2024 07: 00
    The article, plus, Samsonov is great.
    A small note, namely, D. Volkogonov mentioned in the article, as a Soviet and Russian writer, was not one, but was the deputy head of the main directorate of the political administration of the Soviet Army, with the rank of colonel general and a false historian, as well as a rare example Soviet party corruption.
    1. +8
      14 March 2024 07: 32
      Quote: bober1982
      mentioned in the article by D. Volkogonov

      Changeling...
    2. 0
      14 March 2024 09: 53
      Quote: bober1982
      The article, plus, Samsonov is great.
      A small note...
      Article plus. The author, NMV, loves Russia, but forbids himself a critical look at the CPSU and its ideology, so I don’t expect examples of “Soviet party corruption” in his articles.
      1. -8
        14 March 2024 13: 13
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        The author, NMV, loves Russia, but forbids himself a critical look at the CPSU and its ideology, so I don’t expect examples of “Soviet party corruption” in his articles.

        You have a logical contradiction - whoever loves Russia cannot love the Bolsheviks - they are a close analogue of the government in modern Ukraine, although the latter are still Nazis... request And they also ban Orthodoxy and are engaged in the Ukrainization of Russians...
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        2. +1
          14 March 2024 14: 48
          Quote: DrEng02
          who loves Russia cannot love the Bolsheviks
          Anyone who doesn't love it doesn't devote time to researching its history. People who fell in love with Russia in the USSR, who wore the October star with young Ilyich, etc., can also love his faithful comrades. Nationalism has a wide range of feelings: from love for native speech, songs and dances, paternal coffins to Nazism. Ukrainian Nazis have a narrower and shorter historical horizon of the Banderaites and their ideological followers. They are lengthening and expanding as much as they can with the help of British scientists, both here and there.
          “Love is evil...” means that love is difficult to control, but possible.
          1. -4
            14 March 2024 14: 50
            Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
            those who wore the October star with young Ilyich, etc., can also love his faithful comrades

            A lot of time has passed, before the secret has become clear... Do you propose to love Trotsky too? hi
            1. -1
              14 March 2024 15: 05
              Quote: DrEng02
              do you propose to love Trotsky too?
              Are you looking for offers of love to Trotsky or his associates? I am more interested in suggestions of hatred towards modern government and react to them. Ask the author
              Quote: DrEng02
              what was previously hidden has become clear
              It becomes even if we have stopped.
  9. +4
    14 March 2024 07: 00
    It’s strange, but for some reason I thought that these words were said by Gaidar and Chuais.
    1. +8
      14 March 2024 09: 53
      Quote: Gardamir
      It’s strange, but for some reason I thought that these words were said by Gaidar and Chubais.

      “I saw three kings: the first ordered to take off my cap and scolded my nanny for me; the second one did not favor me; Although the third relegated me to being a page-chamber in my old age, I don’t want to exchange him for the fourth; they do not seek good from goodness"

      I knew four Gaidars: the first became a regiment commander at the age of 17 and after that he wrote many good books for children; the second was less known, although the literary hero of the story “Timur and His Team” bore his name; the third - a slobbering toad - wanted to kill all of Russia with shock therapy, but he died, the scoundrel; the fourth flashed among Saakashvili’s entourage and disappeared from sight... But the memory of the first will live long...
      * * *
      As for you:
      If you live longer, you will see more.
      hi
  10. +7
    14 March 2024 07: 15
    I watched a talk show with Weller, he’s a sick person, a crazy person. He can’t talk normally - he yells, freaks out, and then runs away from the studio altogether. In general, many cultural figures disappointed. After all, Rybakov had “Dagger” with “Bronze Bird”, Smirnov had “Belorussky Station”, and the song “Our Tenth Airborne Battalion” is Okudzhava’s poems. Then it turned out that they hated Soviet power all this time and poured so much slop on it that you were simply amazed. And how many of them are there...
    1. +9
      14 March 2024 07: 33
      The enemies of the USSR are real only when there is no benefit for them to lie and be a hypocrite, and during their Perestroika it immediately became clear how many of them, for the sake of profit and careers, pretended to be communists and their supporters for years and decades, and if one of them, Gorbachev, did not rise to power in the USSR , the USSR would still exist, and they would all pretend to be like that until the end of their lives.
      BUT they pretend and after they captured the USSR, they pose as democrats, liberals, monarchists, “true believers.”
      1. -2
        14 March 2024 10: 28
        Quote: tatra
        The enemies of the USSR are real only when there is no benefit for them to lie and be a hypocrite
        This is a big mistake. The real enemies of the USSR always have a profit. A person can be a hypocrite to himself when he relies in his words and actions on moral postulates that are either poorly understood or incomprehensible to him at all. And, as a result, he lies to himself willingly, wanting to be good. This is his benefit. Therefore, he tells others the “truth” of which he has convinced himself to one degree or another: from uncritical acceptance of “evidence” to rigidly pulling the owl onto the globe.
        1. +4
          14 March 2024 10: 34
          All these members of the CPSU who “saw the light” in the anti-communist Perestroika, first for years and decades “with firm conviction” said and wrote one thing, and from Perestroika, with the same “firm conviction,” they began to say the exact opposite. And not the slightest hint of shame or conscience
          1. -2
            14 March 2024 10: 53
            Quote: tatra
            All these "saw the light" in the anti-communist Perestroika
            These are the same people who, due to apoliticality or immature mental abilities, could not point blank, or did not want to see the shortcomings of the political-economic system of the USSR, the mistakes of its leadership, in order to speak openly about it to correct them, but found ways to persuade their “communist consciousness” “(conscience), like, “they know better at the top,” having a personal interest behind it. Therefore, I would not put all those who have “seen the light” into one category. If the communists had preserved open party discussion as the greatest value of true democracy, the USSR would have been different.
            1. +3
              14 March 2024 11: 05
              I don't want meaningless verbiage. Soviet communists are many times better for the country and the majority of the people, except for criminals, parasites, enemies of their country and people, than the Romanovs were, and they became enemies of the USSR in the leadership of the USSR republics captured by the enemies of the USSR.
              And the enemies of the USSR always rush to “refute” this statement with malice against the Soviet government, which only confirms that they cannot prove that the Romanovs and/or their anti-Soviet government are better than the Soviet government.
              1. -1
                14 March 2024 11: 45
                Quote: tatra
                I don't want meaningless verbiage. Soviet communists are many times better...
                They were also one hundred percent sure of this. That’s why they merged the USSR without complaint. They only praised dialectics, but did not understand the statements “thesis, antithesis, synthesis - this is the path of development of being, including the being of society and human thought.” Science develops when it is based on scientific discussion. So it is with the political system. There is a discussion - there is development. Without antithesis there is no development of thought. You extol the USSR as a product of the implementation of Marx’s thoughts in the life of society, but you do not understand the thoughts themselves, studied in the USSR, as the laws of materialist dialectics. That's why you call them meaningless verbiage.
                Your “enemies of the USSR” are the worst thing that the communists did for themselves and for the USSR: by doing this, they took the antithesis beyond the scope of discussion, without which the synthesis and development of thought is impossible due to the “law of the negation of the negation.”
                Just as some Israeli participants quickly shift from defining criticism of Zionism to “anti-Semitism,” so do you from criticizing the Soviet government to “enemies of the USSR.” Today the government is better because it allows criticism. Even one who does not want to substantiate her antithesis “everything is lost.”
                1. +4
                  14 March 2024 14: 09
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  Today the government is better because it allows criticism.

                  Tell this to Strelkov-Girkin.
                2. +1
                  14 March 2024 15: 07
                  You are trying to seem smart, but you have proven that you are not able to adequately perceive reality, like all the enemies of the USSR who captured the USSR.
    2. +10
      14 March 2024 07: 36
      Quote: Waterways 672
      “Dirk” with “Bronze Bird” at Rybakov’s

      This is also another change of shoes in the air - remember what slop he doused the country in the magazine Twinkle. He threw away his hooves in New York, apparently from an excess of patriotism...
    3. +2
      14 March 2024 08: 01
      Because they hated that the power of the hard worker respected all the “art workers” who glorified it, but always considered it only serving the interests of the working class, and they wanted to be the navel of the earth. They are creators...more unprintable.
    4. +4
      14 March 2024 19: 42
      After all, Rybakov had “Dagger” with “Bronze Bird”, Smirnov had “Belorussky Station”, and the song “Our Tenth Airborne Battalion” is Okudzhava’s poems.
      And what did they pay for? that's what they did. And “front-line soldier” Okudzhava received a shrapnel below his back, not reaching a couple of kilometers to the front, and after being cured, he bravely defended the Soviet-Turkish border from 1942 to 1945. And he was considered a seasoned front-line soldier.
  11. -16
    14 March 2024 07: 29
    The great poet and writer Konstantin Simonov has one little-known poem. Here is a small excerpt from it:
    There are bodies mixed up in a minefield,
    up and down face down...
    As if death was playing heads and tails with everyone
    Dead...
    I draw your attention to the words: “IN THE MINEFIELD.” That is, Soviet soldiers were driven into a minefield. It was apparently somewhere on the Kerch bridgehead...
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    2. +2
      14 March 2024 08: 57
      Quote: geniy
      The great poet and writer Konstantin Simonov has one little-known poem. Here is a small excerpt from it:
      There are bodies mixed up in a minefield,
      up and down face down...
      As if death was playing heads and tails with everyone
      Dead...
      I draw your attention to the words: “IN THE MINEFIELD.” That is, Soviet soldiers were driven into a minefield. It was apparently somewhere on the Kerch bridgehead...

      And then what? ".... And then - the dead Romanians....". Did the Soviet generals also “drive” them right along with the Soviet soldiers...?


      Yes.. with..." that is, as it were..." The same Sokolov, God forgive him, died three months ago, but his place in the ranks was not left empty. laughing
      1. -4
        14 March 2024 09: 22
        So what is next? ".... And then - the dead Romanians....". Did the Soviet generals also “drive” them right along with the Soviet soldiers...

        And then - dead Romanians,
        where, while fleeing, they were overtaken by a shell,
        It's like they were pushed in the back
        squatting in the mud...
        That is, the Romanians fled under fire but not in a minefield.
        Although the Romanians were monsters and bastards, I have never seen specific descriptions of their atrocities - this does not mean that they did not exist; it’s just that tolerant Soviet literature hid the crimes of Romanian soldiers from our people.
        1. +1
          14 March 2024 10: 06
          Quote: geniy

          That is, the Romanians fled under fire but not in a minefield.
          Although the Romanians were monsters and...
          Who fired at the Romanians? Judging by your logic, the Russian generals had no other tasks than to drive Russian soldiers into this field.


          This is so, “... that is...” - the diagnosis is confirmed. Do you think that sappers who lay mines warn with signs?
          So that the Russian generals don’t miss, where should they drive the Russian soldiers.... Otherwise you’ll drive, but there’s no minefield there.. laughing

          So, the Romanians did not go to the field because they knew where it was, but the Russians knew where the Romanians were...... and believe me, even now they know.
  12. 0
    14 March 2024 07: 51
    Of course, they were immaculate muslin young ladies, and they always chose only decent expressions in conversations - as if no one would overhear.
  13. +1
    14 March 2024 08: 06
    Interesting material, thanks to the Author.

    I would add the following to it.

    1. I read Eisenhower, I don’t remember him saying that, I would remember. True, it was a translation.
    2. I read Zhukov, according to him, on the contrary, he cared about saving people, and I even remember the order that Zhukov prepared (and I don’t remember who signed), which criticized the actions of commanders on the ground - for example, attacking the enemy before suppressing his weapons , frontal attacks, etc.
    3. From history I remember only Napoleon, who told his opponents - after 1812 - “I can spend 40 thousand people a day. Can you afford this?” Not literally, but that's the meaning. At the same time, he enjoyed authority among the soldiers.
    4. The Japanese general Nogi, who stormed Port Arthur and suffered heavy losses, repented and eventually committed suicide, considering himself guilty.
    5. In the 90s, I read a lot of new historical literature - it was, for the most part, outright nonsense.

    Our losses in the war were enormous at the initial stage, but these were losses in both killed and wounded, and prisoners. For the Allies at this stage the picture was no better and, perhaps, worse, given the scale. At the first stage, the German military machine was the most effective, I think this is the reason.

    Zhukov was one of the best.
    1. +2
      14 March 2024 09: 10
      Zhukov had different orders, including to take “at any cost,” war and saving lives is a struggle between two opposites. There is Stalin’s order “not a step back” No. 0227 of 1942. Many people criticize Zhukov for starting the war, while Tymoshenko seems to be on the sidelines, probably due to the fact that he did not leave any memoirs. Many authors write based on their own understanding, and under the impression of certain memoirs. For example, Zhukov writes that he signed the directive to go on the offensive of the spacecraft under pressure, but Stalin strictly carried out all the plans he signed, so it is doubtful that this was as Zhukov wrote. The deployment plan at the first stage included defense, and it was approved by Stalin. Zhukov admitted his guilt for the defeats of 1941, but war is not only an army, it is also industry, it is impossible to fight without weapons and ammunition, and railway communications. War is a collective effort, and not everything has been said about it yet.
      1. -3
        14 March 2024 09: 29
        There is Stalin’s order “not a step back” No. 0227 of 1942.

        No, why don’t you or anyone else remember that an order with exactly the same meaning was issued in 1941 - apparently in the month of September?
        In this post I do not blame Stalin at all, I simply remind everyone that the first order “Not a step back” was given in 1941. And I remember something that was mentioned there about reprisals against the families of retreating soldiers and officers. Or did Zhukov already write these repressions near Leningrad?
        1. +1
          14 March 2024 10: 34
          I (I think) remember about order 227, but not about the earlier one. It was about repression, of course, but this is not relevant to the topic - it is Zhukov who is to blame for the heavy losses. Repression can either strengthen defenses or weaken them.
        2. +1
          14 March 2024 14: 20
          Quote: geniy
          In this post I do not blame Stalin at all, I simply remind everyone that the first order “Not a step back” was given in 1941. And I remember something that was mentioned there about reprisals against the families of retreating soldiers and officers.

          And you look for that order, we’ll all read it together.
          1. 0
            14 March 2024 14: 45
            [quote] Look for that order, we’ll all read it together.
            I personally have no attitude towards order No. 270
            I just remind everyone that in addition to the famous order 227 of 1942, there was also a similar order No. 270.
            [/quote]https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2021/08/15_a_13882370.shtml#:~:text=16%August 20%201941%20%20appeared, Voroshilov%2C%20Timoshenko%2C%20Shaposhnikov%20and %20Zhukov[quote][quote]80 years ago, Stalin’s famous order No. 270 of August 16, 1941 was read out, explaining which of the Red Army soldiers should be considered a deserter and a traitor. Rigidly worded directives sometimes did not give commanders reasonable choices.
            [/ Quote]
            Next came the demands to shoot deserters on the spot, even from among the high command, and to fight to the last bullet while surrounded. The families of “malicious deserters” from among the commanders were subject to arrest, and the families of captured soldiers were deprived of benefits and assistance, and, apparently, they were also threatened with reprisals.

            "1. Commanders and political workers who, during battle, tear off their insignia and desert to the rear or surrender to the enemy, are considered malicious deserters, whose families are subject to arrest as families of deserters who violated the oath and betrayed their homeland. Oblige all higher commanders and commissars to shoot on the spot such deserters from the command staff.
      2. 0
        14 March 2024 10: 32
        “Zhukov had different orders, including to take “at any cost,” war and saving lives is a struggle between two opposites.”

        I haven’t read this from Zhukov. But, in principle, I heard that there were orders to “hold at all costs.” Suffice it to recall the famous “stand and die” from the 19th century.

        "Zhukov admitted his guilt for the defeats of 1941"

        Of course, he, as, as far as I remember, the head of the General Staff, admitted mistakes, including his own.

        Memoirs are a primary source, but not the only one, of course.
  14. 0
    14 March 2024 08: 32
    Liberals and liberalism, its ideas, like the ideas of Western-style democracy, are alien to our mentality. Such forms of governance are not suitable for our country. History has proven this.
    1. 0
      14 March 2024 10: 35
      “Liberals and liberalism, its ideas, as well as the ideas of Western-style democracy, are alien to our mentality. Such forms of governance are not suitable for our country. History has proven this.”

      It is precisely that Russia is a country that follows the same historical paths as other European countries, each with its own characteristics.

      The ideals of freedom and democracy are also inherent in our people, like all other peoples. No one wants to live in slavery or under fascism. And all our troubles are either the usual troubles of all nations, or the result of our people’s attempts to go backwards in historical development.
  15. -1
    14 March 2024 08: 33
    Saltykov-Shchedrin also wrote: “With us, everything is according to orders. He stood up according to orders, sat down according to orders, even a pimple without scratching it first and without an order will not pop up.”
    They will order to “come to the defense...” - they will come forward.
    They will order: “Crap everything from.. to..” - they are happy to try.....

    It turns out that the USSR could have easily been preserved, but there was simply no boss to order.....
    By order, a great country was created, by order, it was torn to pieces...
    One horseradish in the village.....what to do.
  16. +4
    14 March 2024 08: 35
    The three-horseman, performed by Batalov in the film "Bayazet", reported to Karabanov only about the condition of the horses. He already forgot to report about the condition of the soldiers in the tomorrow morning report, if Karabanov demanded him to report about the soldiers first of all the night before. And what from this ? I consider them both extremely positive, it’s just the incorrigible “diversity” of war.
    I remember as a child at school we wrote a dictation, and the teacher dictated to us about Budyonny’s thoughtfulness when he allowed his tired Red Army soldiers to sleep not two hours, but one hundred and twenty minutes. Like, it looks better this way.
    Zhukov, of course, he was subjected to the most terrible attacks. He was left undead in the West, in the USSR and in Russia because of the victory of the Soviet soldier in the Second World War. And which of the Soviet generals did not become a bone in their throat?
    Those who were not finished removed the monuments to Chernyakhovsky, Vatutin, Konev...
    As for Weller, Korotich and Volodarsky, in Weller’s “Legends of Nevsky Prospekt” I read how he shits on the commanders and crew of the cruiser “Sverdlov” and immediately realized that this was written by an infected person from those whom Zhukov, Chernyakhovsky, Konev did not finish off in WWII . The same thing after reading the issues of Ogonyok edited by Korotich. The same thing after reading the poems of the talented Zilbertrud-Dmitry Bykov, who began to spoil the USSR with his poems in Ogonyok, edited by Korotich.
    Volodarsky? So watch the film "Penal Battalion", for which Volodarsky wrote the script. Few people succeeded in pouring more manure on the Red Army, on the Soviet system, on the NKVD, on the Special Department than Volodarsky. But there is a whole legion of them, and not all of them have left Russia yet. For example, such a film director as Teacher, who created the films "Matilda" and "The Edge". So at the last ceremony of the Golden Eagle award, he walked right there like an “ideological gogol”.
    1. +2
      14 March 2024 12: 55
      It’s interesting that there is an article in the Constitution about protecting historical truth, but they remove the lies and present them as the truth. Why doesn't the Constitution work? I don’t know if there is an article for concealing and distorting historical truth? If there is one, you need to apply it. Only then will there be films like “In War as in War”, “The Living and the Dead”.
  17. +1
    14 March 2024 08: 39
    “Don’t spare the soldiers, the women are still giving birth!”
    Such a phrase could only be uttered by an unintelligent person, no matter what century he lived in. A real commander would never utter such a phrase, and that’s why a well-trained soldier replaces 2-3 recruits on the battlefield. hi
    1. +2
      14 March 2024 11: 20
      Such a phrase could only be uttered by an unintelligent person, no matter what century he lived in.

      Unfortunately, there are still such people today. In 1996, a general was disliked in Chechnya when he said in a telephone conversation: “You take care of the main equipment, I’ll send more people.”
      1. +2
        14 March 2024 11: 47
        Slava1974(Slava)
        I would like to hear only this phrase from the lips of high military commanders: “The main thing is to take care of people, I’ll send you equipment.”
        Unfortunately, there are plenty of fools everywhere. hi
  18. +1
    14 March 2024 09: 01
    It has long been clear that the Anglo-Saxons lied to many of our compatriots, that is, not they themselves, but those who work in close cooperation with them, if you look at history, from Ivan the Terrible to the present day there are many such workers who wrote all sorts of nasty things and abominations and spread rumors, this is how the Anglo-Saxons work and then they are surprised what ki fed next to the state and at the expense of the state
  19. +4
    14 March 2024 09: 11
    Maybe instead of literary works it’s easier to turn to documentary facts? Berlin operation. Strengths of the parties; USSR 1 million 100 thousand. Germany - about 900 thousand. Losses - USSR 78 thousand. Germany's losses, for known reasons, cannot be accurately determined. With documentary accuracy we can only talk about 300 thousand prisoners. Another 10 thousand were able to break into the American occupation zone. Where are the others? Either they died or dropped out for non-combat reasons. And this is when attacking well-prepared and fortified positions. Something doesn't look like "filling with corpses"
  20. +2
    14 March 2024 09: 21
    Weller is an Estonian citizen. You look at him and understand that his face is not a stroke, but anger is distorted, so much so that saliva splashes, he is sick.
    1. 0
      14 March 2024 10: 00
      Weller is an Estonian citizen.

      Yes, it's just disgusting. but this is the same weller who wrote the script for the wonderful Soviet film “Chronicle of a Dive Bomber,” if anyone remembers him, which is much truer than the film, only old men go into battle.
      And I don’t even want to remember Bulaa Okudzhava with his justification of Chechen terrorists.
      But I believe that many cultural figures were simply manipulated by Western propaganda - including Pugacheva and many others. and after many years they realize that Russia was right.
      1. +2
        14 March 2024 11: 18
        “Chronicle of a Dive Bomber” was based on the story by Vladimir Kunin. You are confusing something.
        Maybe you're talking about the modern film based on Weller, "The Ballad of the Bomber"?
        1. +1
          14 March 2024 17: 41
          “Chronicle of a Dive Bomber” was based on the story by Vladimir Kunin. You are confusing something.

          Oh, sorry! Well, cool, I crap myself with this weller!
  21. +2
    14 March 2024 09: 34
    Weller is the usual creatively liberal lining. They say there was a phrase that our army does not wait for mine clearance but walks through the fields, but the meaning was that the soldiers had such experience that they could clear the mines themselves without waiting for anyone. On this topic there is a video by Isaev where, based on archives, he proves that the soldiers kept the beetles.
  22. +2
    14 March 2024 09: 35
    Quote: parusnik
    “We were deceived”, no matter how many times the phrase was uttered on other occasions, I never said: “I was deceived”

    Putin is already a position, like Caesar Tsar
    And there are many of them - that's us, not me

    And on the topic, such phrases may not have been spoken, but “by their deeds you will know them.”
    Let's just say that the System did not encourage, and still does not encourage, people-saving, skillful commanders.
    I would even say the System rejects such commanders
    1. 0
      15 March 2024 05: 37
      I would say specifically-in Russia, in any case, when it is necessary to defend justice, the defender remains alone.
      Even if there are healthy foreheads nearby - “observers”. And the general mass does not seem to understand what this whole “justice” thing is.
      But this is not the System, this is the “blessed” people. The wonderful people were unlucky with the historical period and with the System and with the bosses and with all the neighbors... and judging by the demographics, they even squeeze their own balls...
  23. +1
    14 March 2024 09: 58
    At one time, bosses eloquently broadcast from high stands that socialism had won completely and finally in the USSR, therefore the thesis about class struggle was not relevant. And how it turned out. The broadcasters found themselves with a wormhole, the anti-Soviet people turned into Russophobes.
  24. 0
    14 March 2024 10: 02
    ... “The most effective popularizer of Georgy Zhukov’s mythical phrase was the writer Mikhail Weller. In 2001, his story “Tribunal” was published in the magazine “Ogonyok”, where the author puts the same cynical words into the mouth of Georgy Zhukov: “Women will give birth to new soldiers for you. Russia is great. I would put it to work - it wouldn’t be a pity...” It’s surprising, of course, but in our cattle farm there is always someone to blame. Some have Zhukov, others have Stalin and Lenin, others have Bolsheviks and communists.....
  25. +4
    14 March 2024 10: 16
    I'm really sorry...I won't argue or wheeze in arguments about who said what. Who gives birth to whom there. Who will send soldiers to whom? When I was studying the history of the Second World War, I did a lot of poking around in various materials. And when I began to study logistics, I realized that the USSR was preparing for war, only in the conditions of an attack on the USSR. Why prepare the logistics of moving enterprises if you are going to fight a war on foreign territory? Just imagine, just like that... Removal of equipment from a plant like Kharkov.... namely logistics... dismantling down to the screw of the machine (not a couple of kilos)), structures, materials... straw... boards.. .cars...people...delivery to the station..train delivery..loading..start of movement..green line. This is the work of many thousands of people... and this does not take into account the fact that, in general, the places have already been selected (I’m not talking about their suitability for placement). Okay... something pulled me there)). but to the essence of the issue I will say right away: Weller and those like him are traitors. There are 2 options: an ice ax or ))) a “beginner”. They have no place in our history, unless in a criminal one.
  26. -1
    14 March 2024 12: 05
    Well, gentlemen, comrades, monsieurs, etc... Say that you had your youth in the USSR, everything was wonderful, that’s logical, the best years, it’s always like that. You say that they are denigrating the USSR, there was no need for the population, everything was cheap and for free, and now look at capitalism all around, everything has collapsed, etc. However, you yourself are a generation that grew up after the war, in “stagnant” times. You can also speak your opinion about the time in which you lived, but for how long the USSR existed until at least the 70s, and that generation born at the beginning of the 20th century, the end of the 19th, saw a completely different life, different from your “rose-colored glasses” of stagnation period What did they see? The collapse of the Empire, revolution, civil war, famine, collectivization, repression, harbingers of the Second World War (Spain, clashes with the Japanese, the shameful losing war with Finland), Second World War. This generation was mercilessly exhausted by life during the 50 years of the first half of the 20th century. For 50 years, they waited for manna from heaven from the CPSU, which led its people through the “desert” more than Moses... In your time, in the USSR, you yourself didn’t think about the past and didn’t think about uncomfortable questions, you can’t!
    1. +1
      14 March 2024 15: 14
      Yes, the trend is that due to two wars unleashed by external and internal enemies of the Soviet people, and because internal enemies of the Soviet people, such as kulaks, harmed, at first it was hard for the people, BUT every year, decade, the Soviet people I lived better and better.
      And under the enemies of the USSR, people’s lives are getting worse and worse. And the people are dying out at an enormous rate, but the enemies of the USSR do not care about this, in this case there is no benefit for them to pose as “great lovers of humanity”, “caring for the preservation of the people”, as in their deceitful and hypocritical anti-Sovietism.
  27. 0
    14 March 2024 13: 19
    Alexander Bushkov
    where did he mention that?!
  28. +1
    14 March 2024 13: 40
    I'm so tired of this liberal bastard. How long will they fool their brains? Remember the magazine "Ogonyok" after 1987. Which was led by V.A. Korotich. Coincidentally, at this time food began to disappear in stores. And the less sausage there was on the shelves. Moreover, in each subsequent issue, I.V. was more monstrous. Stalin. How it ended, the collapse of the USSR. And comrade V.A. Korotich, having received his “30 pieces of silver,” turned into (a gentleman) and left for permanent residence in the USA.
  29. +2
    14 March 2024 15: 18
    Propaganda is only effective when there are people willing to believe it. And the enemies of the USSR believed their anti-Soviet-Russophobic puppeteers in any of their lies, nonsense, even in what has never happened in world history and cannot happen.
  30. +1
    15 March 2024 05: 20
    Who said this phrase? And was it even said?
  31. 0
    15 March 2024 08: 31
    As always, they got it wrong, but something needs to be done about the birth rate in Russia - to raise
  32. 0
    15 March 2024 20: 55
    I knew that Zhukov and Stalin were slandered by liberals...
  33. -1
    15 March 2024 22: 26
    He said or didn’t say.... It doesn’t matter. It is important how they fought. A fact is a fact - they put in 25 million. wink
    1. 0
      16 March 2024 09: 59
      Quote: Arzt
      He said or didn’t say.... It doesn’t matter. It is important how they fought. A fact is a fact - they put in 25 million. wink

      It’s not absolutely a fact, that’s the point. What matters is how they thought.

      The conscription age for the current army has not changed. And in Germany it dropped to 16 years.

      Do you think that there is no need to win a war? Put the soldiers in the ground, here it is Victory... But this is “only for us,” as Zadornov said. In the rest of the world, wars are won by the most talented. Victory is no friend to idiots!

      PS You should look at yourself. We did everything that was possible and impossible without war and with even greater losses. Finish.
      1. 0
        16 March 2024 12: 29
        It’s not absolutely a fact, that’s the point. What matters is how they thought.

        The conscription age for the current army has not changed. And in Germany it dropped to 16 years.

        Do you think that there is no need to win a war? Put the soldiers in the ground, here it is Victory... But this is “only for us,” as Zadornov said. In the rest of the world, wars are won by the most talented. Victory is no friend to idiots!

        PS You should look at yourself. We did everything that was possible and impossible without war and with even greater losses. Finish.

        These are the details. No one has ever disputed that the USSR's losses were enormous. This is the fact.
        And then the question is - why? The answer is the quality of governance of the country and the Army.

        Winning wars is exactly what intelligence is needed. If it is not enough, then put the soldiers. Yes
        1. 0
          16 March 2024 17: 19
          The fact that the military losses of the USSR were 9 million. And 3 or 4 were civilian losses, it was also announced and no one disputed it. But 15 years later Khrushchev gave different figures. 20 million. And these 20 have now grown to 25-27. And no one explained where they came from. And he did not refute the old data. It was purely Khrushchev propaganda.

          The question “why”, based, as you write, “on details” and manipulations, is a building on sand.
          If we are talking about hunger and repression, then by 1939 there were 160 million living in the USSR; if we are talking about losses, then in 1940 there were already 200 million.
          How much population there was in the territories annexed in 39-40 is a question of arbitrariness. Whoever has enough impudence, that’s what happened.

          And if someone lacks intelligence, putting anything anywhere will not help.....
          Don't have anything to cover it with?... . let's go.....
          1. 0
            17 March 2024 00: 23
            The fact that the military losses of the USSR were 9 million and 3 or 4 were civilian losses was also announced and no one disputed. But 15 years later Khrushchev gave different figures. 20 million. And these 20 have now grown to 25-27. And no one explained where they came from. And he did not refute the old data. It was purely Khrushchev propaganda.

            The question “why”, based, as you write, “on details” and manipulations, is a building on sand.
            If we are talking about hunger and repression, then by 1939 there were 160 million living in the USSR; if we are talking about losses, then in 1940 there were already 200 million.
            How much population there was in the territories annexed in 39-40 is a question of arbitrariness. Whoever has enough impudence, that’s what happened.

            And if someone lacks intelligence, putting anything anywhere will not help.....
            Don't have anything to cover it with?... . let's go.....

            Ivan. This is chatter. And there is reality. Come fishing on Vazuzu. Walk through the surrounding forests. You will see everything with your own eyes. Still. Yes
  34. 0
    21 March 2024 15: 55
    The main thing is not that someone said or did not say these words, after the mass of soldiers who died on the battlefield, as a result of the inability or cruelty of the commanders
    "Women are still giving birth"
    the main thing is WHICH OF THE MILITARY LEADERS put this phrase into practice, on the battlefield, in battles and engagements.
  35. 0
    23 March 2024 20: 43
    In fact, during the Great Patriotic War, there was a military and political figure that many people do not mention now, or maybe they have already forgotten about him. However, this military and political figure made his mark even before the war during the Soviet-Finnish events. This is Lev Zakharovich Mehlis. Being a political worker, Lev Zakharovich fearlessly took command of the troops, lining the offensive line with Red Army soldiers in three rows. Post-war scribblers attributed this lining in three rows to Zhukov, calling it three-row. Stalin's patience ran out when Lev Zakharovich Mehlis undertook to defend Crimea and personnel losses reached up to 700 thousand soldiers per day. Nevertheless, Mehlis was not punished, but was simply removed from command and transferred to political work. Lev Zakharovich lived to a ripe old age as a resident of Moscow and a military pensioner.
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