DIY history. Tim Severin in the footsteps of ancient seafarers

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DIY history. Tim Severin in the footsteps of ancient seafarers
"Argo" by Tim Severin


“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.”
Matthew's Gospel, 5: 6

People and story. Who among us has not heard about the most famous and famous traveler of the twentieth century, Thor Heyerdahl. His amazing adventures (in the good sense of the word), and even his talentedly written books, not only made him famous, but also set an example for his followers and encouraged many young people to follow the paths of ancient sailors and explorers. But most likely not everyone will answer who can be put in second place after Heyerdahl. Although this man and his life story are also worthy of attention and respect: this is the Irish navigator Tim (Timothy) Severin.




Tim Severin

And his travel career began with the fact that in 1946 he was sent to study at the English closed school Tonbridge. He then graduated from Oxford University in 1960 and received a master's degree in geography. And then he and two comrades decided to ride a motorcycle along the path of the legendary Marco Polo... and they did! After which he wrote his first book, “In the Footsteps of Marco Polo” (1964). This is how his travels began. But there was a very big difference between Heyerdahl’s voyages and Severin’s expeditions. The first put forward a hypothesis and tried to test the possibility of its implementation in practice. The second explored myths about sea voyages and tested in practice whether these “mythical” events were possible in reality.


Tim Severin with model "Brendan"

The travel routes of Heyerdahl and Severin often coincided. But this happened because there are only four oceans on the globe, so such coincidences are not at all surprising. And another common feature of both was that they both built expeditionary ships from materials that were used by our ancestors, or using their technologies.


"Brendan" at sea

So, Tim Severin decided to prove that in medieval chronicles the voyage of St. Brendan could really take place and was not an idle fiction. That is, he essentially suggested that Irish monks visited America 400 years before the Vikings, sailing through the Faroe Islands. And then Iceland and Greenland. However, in Ireland at that time there were no ships other than those made from tanned ox hides, called currachs. Previously, it was believed that it was only suitable for coastal navigation, and that currachs could not be sailed at sea for a long time, and that they had to be regularly pulled ashore for drying and processing. Otherwise, they say, the leather upholstery will decompose in sea water.

However, Severin decided to check the ancient legend, believing that it could be based on real events. With the help of a team of enthusiasts and with his own funds raised from the sale of a yacht and car, he built an exact replica of a two-masted currach, named Brendan. And... in two stages with replacement crews, it reached from Ireland, where the Brendan was left for the winter, and to Peckford Island near Newfoundland. It turned out that ox leather, rawhide belts, flax dust, hemp ropes and ash wood perfectly withstood all the hardships of this transoceanic route.


Tim Severin with model "Sohara"

For the second time, Tim Severin followed in the footsteps of Sinbad the Sailor, from The Book of One Thousand and One Nights. An Arabian sailboat was built, and without a single metal nail. The sheathing boards were held together with cables woven from coconut fibres. The joints between them were filled with molten gum. Many doubted that such a ship would be reliable, but the construction, despite everything, was completed. Moreover, the construction of the ship this time was financed by the Ministry of National Heritage and Culture of the Sultanate of Oman. Therefore, it had to sail under the Omani flag and be called “Sohar” (after the name of the ancient trading port).

Although fate took Sinbad the Sailor to different countries, Tim Severin decided that it would be enough for Sohar to reach the Omani port of Muscat to the Chinese Canton (Guangzhou), which was done. The voyage took place from November 23, 1980 to July 11, 1981 and ended quite successfully. That is, “Sohar” also withstood the blows of the sea elements, and... it became obvious that the legendary Sinbad could well have sailed along this route on similar ships!


And these are developments of a model of the Argo ship, which can be made from paper. All you need to do is print out these patterns, stick them on thick paper and turn them into an interesting toy, souvenir or visual aid for school!

But Tim Severin’s third expedition ship was the ancient Greek ship Argo, built from pine wood. According to skeptics, the twenty-oared ship could not overcome the powerful oncoming current in the Bosphorus Strait. And although the prospect of rowing 1,5 thousand nautical miles with oars and moving at a speed of half a knot did not appeal to everyone, they still managed to recruit new Argonauts, after which Severin set sail to the shores of Soviet Colchis.


Finished paper deck

The voyage, which began in May 1984, took place in the territorial waters of Greece, Turkey and the USSR. Moreover, on the Soviet stage of the route, Tim Severin was helped by former member of Heyerdahl’s Tour team, Yuri Senkevich. He met the guests off the coast of Georgia, and then, at his suggestion, the four-masted training bark “Comrade” towed the “Argo” from Batumi to Istanbul.


And this is what it looks like from the inside: for the sake of strength, coffee stirrer sticks are glued to it

It is interesting that the term “golden fleece” itself could well have been born here, because in Georgian Svaneti an original method of gold mining has been used since ancient times. Local gold miners laid out sheep skins on wooden frames in the streams flowing from the mountains. Well, since their water carried with it small grains of gold, they got stuck in the sheep's wool and gradually turned the most ordinary fleece into gold! Allegedly, this ancient myth arose from this technology!


The body is cut out with a modeling knife, holes are cut on it, after which it is glued together at the ends...

Well, then Tim Severin decided on the same “Argo” to repeat Odysseus’s voyage from Troy through Bulgaria (Thrace) and the eastern coast of Greece, the island of Crete, and the western coast of Greece with the final finish on the island of Ithaca. And again, he repeated. This proved that, in principle, Odysseus could not get to his home right away, that storms and winds could carry him across the Mediterranean in different directions, and that he could well have been looking for his way home for quite a long time. And only then the Aed singers wove all sorts of fantastic fiction about his voyage, but Homer heard their chants and... so he wrote his poem!


The oars are Chinese toothpicks: at the bottom in the process of working on them, at the top they are finished and painted. Blades – 4 mm veneer from SV Model company

The only time he failed was when he traveled from Vietnam to America on a bamboo raft in May 1993. The fact is that the treatise “Shi Ji” by the ancient Chinese historian Sima Qian told about the journey of the navigator Xu Fu on the orders of Emperor Qin Shi Huang, which he made in search of the elixir of immortality. Severin decided that he could easily reach America. However, this time he was unlucky. There were typhoons and monsoon winds. He even had to face the threat of modern piracy. The voyage lasted 105 days, and during this time Severin's raft traveled 5500 miles in the ocean. And although little more than a thousand miles remained to the shores of America, the rattan ropes that tied the raft began to break, and the voyage had to be stopped.


Drawing on the sail


Ready-made paper sail


Antique anchor. Reconstruction from the exhibition of the Anapa Archaeological Museum


Mosaic "Dolphin and Anchor". Delos, “House of the Trident”, 2nd century. BC e.

But in 1996, when Tim Severin decided to visit the islands of Indonesia, and a team of native carpenters from the Kai archipelago built him a classic Indonesian prau, his voyage went well. With a team of six people, he walked around a number of islands in four months, paying attention to the current state of their animal world.


Ready-made Argo model with a fabric sail. Numerous ship riggings are attached to the model using dowels made from the same Chinese toothpicks... Work and photography by the author

Tim Severin also rafted down the Mississippi, in 1999 he looked for a white whale and repeated the path of the Pequod ship from the novel Moby Dick, put forward an original theory about the true prototype of Robinson Crusoe and also became famous as a fiction writer. From his pen came three voluminous cycles of historical novels - “Viking” (three books), “Corsair” (five books) and “Saxon” (three books). And this is not counting his nine scientific and popular science books dedicated to his travels!


Numerous ship riggings are attached to the model using dowels made from the same Chinese toothpicks... Work and photography by the author


Ready-made Argo model. The sail is made of fabric, the design is printed on it. The rod of the wooden anchor is clearly visible, which in ancient times was cast from lead and therefore painted gray (although it could have been painted black). The model is equipped with a spare oar and ladder

He spent the last years of his life in the small village of Timolige (County Cork in Ireland), with only about three hundred inhabitants, and died there on December 18, 2020, leaving behind a daughter from his first marriage, Ida Ashworth, and two grandchildren.

PS


The model turned out to be simple, but beautiful. And most importantly, it can be used in 5th grade Ancient History lessons. And this is what I came up with an idea and at the same time a proposal: what if those of the VO readers who liked it and who want to repeat it, do it for their own entertainment, and then... donate it to the history classroom of the school closest to them? This will be pleasant for you and useful for the children, since such models are rarely seen in schools. And sometimes we talk a lot about how “we need to help the school today,” but at the same time we are waiting for some mythical “master” who will come and do everything for us, while we can do a lot ourselves. Well, if someone decides to do such an act, let him tell me the name of the city and the number of the school where he ended up. It is possible that sooner or later we will conduct interesting research in the field of practical pedagogy. Well, this ship is already in the 6th linguistic gymnasium of the city of Penza, fortunately it is located very close to my house... If you need consultations, write to VO in a personal message. I will always be happy to answer you.
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  1. +3
    16 March 2024 06: 57
    The traditional thank you is just the thing to cheer you up early in the morning.
    Have a nice day, everyone!
  2. +7
    16 March 2024 07: 26
    Both also have a third colleague in the study of ancient routes - a resident of Polynesia, Te Rangi Heroa (P. Buck), who wrote the book "Mariners of the Sunrise".
    1. +5
      16 March 2024 08: 39
      Quote: ycuce234-san
      Te Rangi Heroa (P. Buck), who wrote the book "Mariners of the Sunrise".

      And he had two very interesting rafts. I described them in the book “When the lessons are done,” but unfortunately I could not repeat them due to the lack of suitable material. Now I can, but I don’t have enough time for everything. And then they don’t fit into the school curriculum.
      1. +6
        16 March 2024 09: 06
        "When the lessons are done"

        KEYWORD!
        Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        1. +2
          16 March 2024 10: 01
          Quote: Edward Vashchenko
          "When the lessons are done"

          KEYWORD!
          Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich!

          And to you, Edward, good morning and have a nice day. That’s how it was intended: time for business, time for fun.
  3. +6
    16 March 2024 07: 49
    Sell ​​a yacht to build a boat from skins? Yes, it's good to be rich and healthy))
    There was also this Eric Bishop. Back in the 30s, he reached Cape Town from Hawaii in less than two months on a Polynesian catamaran. What's it like?
  4. +7
    16 March 2024 08: 32
    Although this man and his life story are also worthy of attention and respect: this is the Irish navigator Tim (Timothy) Severin.
    Who doesn't know Tim Severin?!
    “We sing a song to the madness of the brave!” (c)
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  5. +3
    16 March 2024 08: 33
    Good morning everyone!
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, you need to publish a separate book with a description of crafts and a historical overview. An interesting article, glue, paper, scissors, and for half a day the child forgets about the computer.
    1. +5
      16 March 2024 08: 42
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, you need to publish a separate book with a description of crafts and a historical overview. An interesting article, glue, paper, scissors, and for half a day the child forgets about the computer.

      Yes, and this is exactly the goal. This is precisely why these models are made and transferred to schools, for “experiments”. And I already had books on homemade products, each of which was preceded by a historical review. But they all came out in 1987-1990. and since then a lot has changed. The planned title of the book is “History with your own hands.” Now I’m waiting for an order for cows, sheep and horses for a model of a Slavic village - my history teacher actually ordered it for me.
  6. +3
    16 March 2024 08: 44
    The construction of a fully functional small sailing-oared Greek vessel, it seems to me, once again dispels the myth about some unsurpassed triremes. There were many of them, they were amazingly fast and maneuverable. I'm not trying to say that they didn't exist. But they were clearly not what our contemporaries imagined them to be.
    1. +3
      16 March 2024 11: 25
      Quote: MCmaximus
      The construction of a fully functional small sailing-oared Greek vessel, it seems to me, once again dispels the myth about some unsurpassed triremes. There were many of them, they were amazingly fast and maneuverable. I'm not trying to say that they didn't exist. But they were clearly not what our contemporaries imagined them to be.

      It does not interfere. The appearance of the bireme and trireme was predetermined by the evolutionary approach to the development of shipbuilding. Both are reproduced in replicas. For example, Olympia.
      The whole “message” of the myth busters is connected with their illiteracy, when the terms of the sailing fleet are tied to the armament of rowing ships of antiquity and the Middle Ages.
      It’s sad when for an “expert” a row = a tier and he tries to put the rowers on one bench on a trireme - this is a diagnosis.
      However, I have doubts that the model of the Argo unireme proposed by Vyacheslav corresponds to the historical one. Firstly, Argo could not have a deck.
      The second is the anchor proposed by the Author, which is 300-400 years younger than the Argonaut era.
      Third, if the Argo’s body was not made of Lebanese cedar, it should have been black (from resin).
      1. -2
        16 March 2024 18: 30
        Just because something like this was built doesn’t mean that’s exactly what they were like. 100% of these were not the case. Have you seen her at all? If you had at least once understood how a wooden structure of this kind works, you wouldn’t roll the barrel on the “ekperds”. And it’s scary to walk along the shore on this trireme. It's impossible to get it ashore. European ships of this size were significantly taller. It's just strength. And they were built with incomparable technological superiority.
        In principle, there can be no speed under oars and maneuverability with such dimensions and proportions.
        At the same time, Argo is real. As well as European galleys, gales and Byzantine dromons. And they are in no way similar to Olympia. She's just tailoring the answer.
        Stupid question: have you rowed a Yala-6?
        1. +1
          16 March 2024 22: 13
          European ships of this size were significantly taller. It's just strength. And they were built with incomparable technological superiority.

          The dimensions of triremes (triremes) are not known from descriptions of ancient Greek authors and excavations in Piraeus. How the height of the side can affect the strength is a mystery to me. Since until the middle of the 15th century, the construction of all European ships was when the transverse and longitudinal frame was inserted into the hull, and not vice versa. Moreover, all “European” ships, with the exception of Slavic and Mediterranean ones, had clinker lining, and not smooth like the ancient ones.
          By the way, this is the “nail” in the coffin of the technological effectiveness of a European vessel. The Mediterranean hull with working smooth cladding made of boards in a joint on dowels and tongues was only able to be repeated by the British in the era of galleons.
          Medieval Europe even suspected the continuous method of building ships, as well as unification. What did the Greeks and Romans of antiquity know about?
          Regarding speed. Replica of the trireme Olympia, twice as fast as the unireme Argo and Minoa. By the way, the former is one and a half times higher than the latter, and the chess order of the rowers on separate benches, each with their own oar, allows for more “human power” per meter of length than that of the unireme and bireme. Regarding seaworthiness, I repeat that the Argo had a deck, unlike the Olympia. If we talk about pulling triremes ashore, then the landing sites in Zea and Piraeus say the opposite. However, during the campaigns, the triremes were not pulled completely onto land; it was enough to pull the bow ashore.
        2. +1
          16 March 2024 22: 22
          As well as European galleys, gales and Byzantine dromons.

          The Byzantine Dormon is the least studied ship. It is still not known what kind of rowing weapons it had. Only five, I repeat - five unclear images of the latter have reached us!!! The rest is all from the evil one. Gales - what kind of animal is this, maybe a galleas?
          1. +1
            16 March 2024 22: 29
            Stupid question: have you rowed a Yala-6?

            Two trips on a replica scampavea, one on a boardwalk and rafting on a barge. The Greeks used flutes for synchronization. The Venetians until the 16th century used galleys with three oarsmen on a bench - each with his own oar. The Spaniards were able to achieve similar efficiency only by placing four people on a bench with one oar for all.
            1. 0
              17 March 2024 12: 17
              Well, now, model the situation on the ancient Greek theme of placing oarsmen when modernizing a scampway.
              In general, when I saw films of how reenactors rowed their boats, I wanted to take a club and start straightening the backs of the “rowers” ​​under the drum so that they could row correctly. It is impossible to tolerate such horror on a boat. Because there will be complete chaos on the wave. At the same time, when pentathletes row rowing, it’s a song.
              I didn’t understand at all about three rowers on one bank. Can I have a diagram or a drawing? I can imagine how to do this, but I can’t figure out how to row after that.
              1. 0
                17 March 2024 14: 12
                Which rowing scheme would you like to read more about? There are two historical types: alia sensile and alia scaloccio. The latter allows you to put 4 or more rowers on the can.
      2. 0
        16 March 2024 19: 02
        There was one phrase that made me tense... You don’t believe that two or three people can row with one oar? That's how they rowed the galleys.
        On triremes you can make three rows of oars rather than tiers. And one person per oar. But... From a purely technical standpoint, managing this entire enterprise is brutally inconvenient. The rowers must work VERY synchronized. And anyone who has tried rowing on boats knows how easy it is to fly off the bank or get hit by an oar on the ridge when a wave and the oar fly out. By the way, there was a video about the excavation of a grave with people most likely identified as slave oarsmen. They have a lot of fractures. Including the spine.
        That is why all this is doubtful. It is quite possible that some such ships were built. But they were forgotten quickly, for a long time, and for a reason.
        1. +1
          16 March 2024 22: 50
          Here’s one phrase that made me tense... You don’t believe that two or three people can row with one oar?

          Record - 8 rowers on the bench. The latter really didn’t sit, but ran. However, the river fleet has even better records. Chukovsky barges of cast-iron caravans made it possible to place 15 people on a sweat (oar). True, there were no seats provided.
          That's how they rowed the galleys.

          Galera - galley is different. I know 4 types of galley rowing weapons and more than 10 types.
          [On triremes you can make three rows of oars rather than tiers.

          The trireme did not have tiers in principle, nor did it have rows of oars. If on your fingers. This is a boat with a deck, where the rowers were each located in their own place and at their own level. The difference in height did not exceed 30-40 cm.
          And one person per oar.

          Right
          [But... From a purely technical standpoint, managing this entire enterprise is brutally inconvenient.

          I already wrote above that a warship was controlled with the help of a flutist, and later with drums.
          Regarding the complexity, we know how much a professional rower cost in Athens during Antiquity and Venice during the Middle Ages. The answer is expensive!!! So expensive that Athens could only afford to operate two ships in peacetime.
          1. 0
            17 March 2024 12: 22
            So expensive that Athens could only afford to operate two ships in peacetime.

            This is the answer. And the tales about the trireme fleet that tore the Persians to pieces are just fairy tales. You can build a dreadnought - "Olympia". To frighten enemies. Maybe even five. Then you'll run out of wood. Money and everything else. But about a fleet of some kind of maneuverable and high-speed triremes is a myth in its purest form. Such a vessel could NOT have maneuverability. When was the steering wheel invented??? How about turning a long boat around with oars? Oh well. Good luck.
    2. +1
      16 March 2024 11: 29
      Quote: MCmaximus
      were amazingly fast and maneuverable

      This can probably be found out in experimental pools and now in software as computers have developed. Although the main indicators were known from the beginning - back in the 19th century it was possible to calculate them on wooden abacuses, using sailing directions and maps.
      1. 0
        16 March 2024 18: 35
        The Greeks built a trireme. Supposedly a reconstruction of ancient Greek. They moved it from the place with oars. We buried it a little. And, getting fed up, they abandoned it all. Because this is a museum piece, not intended to float on water.
        1. +1
          16 March 2024 19: 31
          So a trireme is a sprinter, like a cheetah or leopard.
          When running and jumping, a person can develop power many times greater - up to 3.3 kW - than the average.
          Therefore, on long-distance missions thousands of kilometers away, they sailed and only when they came very close to the enemy did they make a breakthrough.
          We don’t take any convicts and other people punished from the disbats of antiquity into account - they really could only be ridden across the ocean by oars, but that’s how they served their time for misdeeds.
          1. +1
            17 March 2024 00: 56
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            Therefore, on a long journey thousands of kilometers away

            What a distance, what thousands of kilometers? A trireme is a warship. Used mainly within the Aegean Sea.

            Quote: ycuce234-san
            they sailed and only when they came very close to the enemy did they make a dash.

            During the crossing we sailed. And in battle - on oars. Not because it’s a jerk, but because it was difficult to maneuver in battle under sail even in the 19th century, and even more so in ancient times, with straight sails.
          2. 0
            17 March 2024 09: 12
            Watch this barge on YouTube. And on her daddy's weapons. Under such rags she will move like a storm. And to row it... Well, well. Everything has been written about this trireme. The rowers won't last long on it. Well, rowing is not effective at this size. What kind of sprinter is there?
            1. 0
              17 March 2024 11: 13
              Quote: MCmaximus
              What kind of sprinter is there?

              She was pushing forward literally in the last hundred meters. And perhaps on the stretch... there was not a single rower on it. After all, it is more logical to send a separate normal passenger ship with oarsmen to the local port in advance, and to drive a specialized and very uncomfortable combat ship with a ferry team of several people under sail. Taking into account the fact that triremes were invented by the Phoenicians, who went on long journeys by sea, it is logical that modern tanks are transported separately from their crews - but maybe someday centuries later they will think about how uncomfortable it was for tank crews to travel thousands of kilometers in a tank wink
              1. 0
                17 March 2024 12: 43
                Why this jerk? Everyone is talking about the ram. But the ram is on board. Look, under Lissa, steam ships were spinning as best they could. But we know what those rams were worth. Now let's do the same thing with oars. First I tell tales about how ships are held together with chains, Then they are rammed. How can you board a formation of fastened ships? For ramming you need a few freely maneuvering ships. Otherwise, it's all simple - boarding.
                Maybe this “ram” was just used for braking in chains or ropes? Or to break the oars, passing with a rippling side? But slamming a tusk into the side requires more than just luck. But also the stupidity of the enemy.
                1. 0
                  17 March 2024 17: 53
                  Well, the trireme captain had a choice of which of these tools to use in battle. Of course, he was previously briefed on the general plan for a particular battle, but he could not help but have a certain initiative for freedom of choice.
                  1. 0
                    19 March 2024 04: 17
                    Imagine descriptions of the naval battle of that time. In much later times, naval control was extremely weak. What was it like then? Yes, none. General plan and that's it. There is no connection.
                    Then you need to understand that a ship, like the Argo, is light and maneuverable. And the trireme, with its presented scheme, is a locomotive on rails. With a turning radius like an aircraft carrier. And the time is at noon.
              2. 0
                19 March 2024 13: 37
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                After all, it is more logical to send a separate normal passenger ship with oarsmen to the local port in advance, and to drive a specialized and very uncomfortable combat ship with a ferry team of several people under sail.

                To have your specialized combat vessel captured by pirates while on transit? The move is brilliant. Worthy of Russian "raft breeders".
        2. +2
          16 March 2024 19: 34
          The trireme is so heavy, probably because of the ram. The lightweight design simply will not penetrate a durable enemy with a ram.
          1. +1
            16 March 2024 23: 05
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            The trireme is so heavy, probably because of the ram. The lightweight design simply will not penetrate a durable enemy with a ram.

            The trier is a fairly lightweight design. Even after receiving an underwater hole, they mostly remained afloat, after which they were towed by the winner as a trophy.
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              17 March 2024 12: 31
              In general, there is a technique for pumping water out of a flooded yawl. The crew dangles overboard; one of them, the lightest, first bails out water from overboard. The rest keep the boat from capsizing. The ebb of a little water, this lightest one climbs inside and continues. Then another one climbs in, etc. That is, a wooden ship with minimal supplies can theoretically be kept afloat. Small and light. Comparatively, of course. Although, a rowing barge is already a ship by ancient standards. A trireme cannot be small. The width will not allow for a short boat.
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                17 March 2024 18: 05
                Quote: MCmaximus
                That is, a wooden ship with minimal supplies can theoretically be kept afloat.

                Only if there is no ballast or cargo in it. On triremes, the issue of the presence of ballast had not yet been finally resolved, but they were required to have stone anchors.
                Apparently this is why loaded ancient wooden ships are found at the bottom, since the crew could often bring them empty and without ballast to the port after the accident.
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                  19 March 2024 04: 21
                  So..... Unsinkable ships have not yet been invented. Purely theoretically it can be assumed blank[i][/i] a ship floating to the gunwale with a hole. But in order to capture it and revive it, you have to try hard. Which I personally highly doubt. These are individual cases, but not a system. And that's for small ships.
        3. 0
          16 March 2024 23: 01
          Quote: MCmaximus
          The Greeks built a trireme. Supposedly a reconstruction of ancient Greek. They moved it from the place with oars. We buried it a little. And, getting fed up, they abandoned it all. Because this is a museum piece, not intended to float on water.

          Yeah, short-term 8-9 knots, cruising 4-5 knots.
          If by distance, then
          At this speed, say, you can walk from Crimea to Rhodes in 7,5 days, and from Rome to Jerusalem in 2 weeks. Well, in 4,5 weeks you can cross the Atlantic)
          1. 0
            17 March 2024 09: 52
            Once again: did you row on the Yal-6? The fact that this barge was moved from its place and dispersed does not mean that it can go for so long. There is extensive experience in using galleys. No secrets. Everything has been optimized for centuries. Triremes are not suitable for this experience.
  7. +4
    16 March 2024 09: 12
    that “the school needs help today”,

    Vyacheslav Olegovich,
    Forgive me generously: perhaps in the regions this is all interesting, I myself studied at such a school,
    But in Moscow...well, how can I tell you more correctly.
    Let's just say, different priorities, different paces, different needs.
    I personally really liked your model... but...
    PS, how is it printed on fabric for the sail?
    1. +4
      16 March 2024 10: 03
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      But in Moscow...well, how can I tell you more correctly.
      Let's just say, different priorities, different paces, different needs.

      Edward, I understand you well. But Russia is not limited to Moscow alone...
    2. +3
      16 March 2024 10: 05
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      PS, how is it printed on fabric for the sail?

      Don't know. I took it to the company that prints printed T-shirts for me. The drawing - it is in front of you - and a piece of starched fabric. And a day later I received a drawing of a sail printed on it.
  8. +5
    16 March 2024 09: 57
    Tim Siverin it smelled straight from childhood and youth... The film travel club talked about it very often, and in the 80s I really loved watching these programs. By the way, I know Thor Heirdal personally)) I have his autograph and there is a book and stamps that he gave me in 1981.
  9. +2
    16 March 2024 10: 54
    Dear author! What did you make the blocks from?
  10. +1
    16 March 2024 13: 50
    Thanks for the article about ships. Will you show us in the future how you turned Atlantic soldiers into Egyptian sailors?
    1. 0
      16 March 2024 15: 43
      Tim Severin’s “Argo” has a mast shifted forward, although in numerous images that have come down to us the mast is in the middle of the hull, it looks like this Tim made changes to the design of the ancients and built his own remake.
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        16 March 2024 19: 07
        Artists could draw anything. Now, look, sailboats are being molded onto all sorts of things, like barometers. Horror.
        I remember the case when Artseulov (a family of shipbuilders) quarreled with Aivazovsky when he drew something wrong. Because it can't be like that. We made up later. But Aivazovsky remade the ship in the picture. Yes, and they were relatives.
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          17 March 2024 19: 19
          I remember the case when Artseulov (a family of shipbuilders) quarreled with Aivazovsky,
          Artseulov is the grandson of Aivazovsky. Aviator. The first in the world to deliberately put a plane into a tailspin and bring it out of it. The family may have been from the ship.
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            19 March 2024 04: 23
            Pilot Artseulov comes from a family of shipbuilders. There are a lot of sailing ships in the lists of our fleet, where the builders are Artseulovs.
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      16 March 2024 19: 38
      Quote from: Semovente7534
      Will you show us in the future how you turned Atlantic soldiers into Egyptian sailors?

      Required!
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    16 March 2024 16: 05
    In the Soviet magazine "Around the World" in 1984 there was an article about "Argo". The article indicated the dimensions of Tim Severin’s vessel: “The length of the vessel is about 16 meters, the width is almost 3 meters, the draft is only 30 centimeters, the displacement is 5-6 tons.
    Such a vessel is exclusively for coastal navigation, so that if the weather worsens, the vessel can be quickly pulled ashore. Well, it goes without saying that its seaworthiness is also severely limited in terms of drinking water supplies. Rowers consume drinking water at least 3-4 liters per day.
    Twelve rows of oars means a minimum of 24 rowers. This means that only rowers need 72-96 liters. Well, the rest of the crew also needs water. In general, 120 liters per day, take it out and put it in. How many days will the water be of good quality in the heat? Three or four days? Well, let it be five days. This is the limit of seaworthiness. And this does not even take into account the fact that five days is already 0,6 cubic meters. That is 0,6 tons of additional cargo. Which the ship may not be able to pull.
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      16 March 2024 19: 10
      All this is real and most likely reliable. Severin is a meticulous person and did not drive a snowstorm. Yes, and the adventures of the Argonauts, Perseus, Odysseus indicate that they wandered around and misbehaved around the area for a short time.
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      16 March 2024 19: 51
      Quote: Seal
      How many days will the water be of good quality in the heat?

      They had water preservatives in the form of herbs, wine, and vinegar.
      But what is interesting is that ancient sailors could drink sea water, Alain Bombard proved that its small consumption is safe, but we have no sources of information that this was known in antiquity, however, the survival rate of the sailors of that time was unexpectedly high and that means some kind of knowledge and spontaneous preparation there were them.
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        16 March 2024 20: 03
        Quote: ycuce234-san
        however, the survival rate of the then sailors was unexpectedly high
        laughing laughing laughing
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          16 March 2024 20: 13
          According to the ancient geographer Strabo, up to ten thousand slaves were sold in one day on Delos.
          Delos is the center of Cilician piracy and all this was full of pirates transported by sea, preserving his life and health, which is the most important thing for slave traders. So the ancient sailors were not so simple and they still had many undisclosed secrets and mysteries...
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            16 March 2024 20: 41
            Quote: ycuce234-san
            According to the ancient geographer Strabo, up to ten thousand slaves were sold in one day on Delos.
            Have you read Strabo in the original? Or maybe you want to say that mankind knows the handwriting of “Strabo”? laughing laughing laughing
            .. “Geography” by Strabo... the only work that gives an idea of ​​what geographical science was at that time, as well as introducing both the previous history of science and the various directions in it. All 17 books of Strabo's Geography have survived almost entirely, in a large number of lists, badly damaged and not going back further than the end of the 10th century. "
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              16 March 2024 22: 31
              Mediterranean trade relied on three pillars - slaves, grain and olive oil. Strabo simply wrote down facts that were already known even from unwritten archeology.
              Here, in relation to our question, it is important that Delos is an island and in order to transport captives to it in such large numbers, it is not enough to put them in the hold as ordinary goods. Sailors-pirates and slave traders need to monitor their health, and since they knew how to keep prisoners alive and healthy during travel, they were even more able to maintain their personal health in the open sea.
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                16 March 2024 22: 55
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                Strabo simply wrote down the facts that are known
                Sorry, but let's get back to the main question: Is Strabo's handwriting known to humanity or not?
                Is there any evidence of the reality of Strabo’s existence at that very time?
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        17 March 2024 19: 23
        Alain Bombard proved that its low consumption is safe,
        As for safety - very relative. It’s just that death is faster later. It helps for a week, then the kidneys shrink and that’s it. And this is about the Mediterranean Sea. Take a look at his work “Overboard of your own free will.”
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    16 March 2024 23: 27
    Quote: ycuce234-san
    They had water preservatives in the form of herbs, wine, and vinegar.
    Well, what herb do you think serves as a water preservative?
    About Alain Bombard.
    Dr. Furnestin, director of the Moroccan fisheries service, gave me special net for catching plankton.

    He had quite modern fishing equipment.
    I catch excellent mackerel every day, and damn, I'm starting to get used to raw fish

    But nevertheless, Bombar experienced many “delights”
    I lost the nail on the little toe of my right foot, and there was a strange irritation on the outside of my hands

    Everything is fine, if not for my buttocks! Is furunculosis really starting? In addition, my tonsils have become enlarged.

    The fish diet is starting to affect my stomach: stools become frequent and loose.

    “November 14, Friday. Over the past two days I have been more exhausted than during the entire trip. My skin was covered with small pimples, my tongue was coated; I really don't like all this.

    The body was covered with small pimples, which continued to spread and enlarge for several days, moving from one stage to another. I lived in constant fear of furunculosis, which, taking into account my special living conditions, would have been a real disaster for me. The pain it caused could completely exhaust me. Besides, I wouldn't be able to sit or lie down. To fight against this disaster, I had only mercury-chromium ointment, which gave me a bloody and tragic appearance. At night the pain worsened and from contact with linen it became
    unbearable. The slightest wound would not heal and began to fester, so I carefully disinfected every scratch. My fingernails had completely grown into the meat and small abscesses had formed under many of them, causing me unbearable torment; I was forced to open them without any anesthesia. Of course, I could have used the penicillin I had, but in the interests of my experience, I tried to do without the use of drugs as long as I could. The skin on my legs began to come off in shreds, within three days I
    The nails on four toes fell out. Without the wood flooring I simply couldn't stand. Therefore, I believe that every rescue vessel should have such a floor. Without it, I could have developed gangrene, or at least arterial disorders. As it was, I escaped with only local disorders. The pressure remained normal, the sweat production was the same.

    But Bombar did not row, but sailed.
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      17 March 2024 06: 22
      In antiquity they also sailed and had fishing nets on board
      Bombar is a professional physician, and while listing the ailments of a long journey, he is not talking about any real threat to life.
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        19 March 2024 22: 01
        And Santa Claus also exists, right? laughing laughing
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      19 March 2024 04: 31
      Bombard was a doctor and approached everything consciously. And I drank water by the spoon and according to the schedule. Set an example for everyone. Maybe people are now taking some of this into account. But those in trouble need, above all, self-discipline. What is difficult to expect in a team.
      There was another guy. Last name seems to be Callahan. "Adventures" like Bombar's. Three months on the raft.
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        20 March 2024 06: 09
        Quote: MCmaximus
        There was another guy. Last name seems to be Callahan.

        By the way, he is not the only one. At the beginning of the 20th century, another expedition sailed to America on an inflatable vessel. I'll try to remember the details later.
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          20 March 2024 15: 42
          Callahan is not a researcher. He caught something with the yacht. The yacht sank with such speed that he only managed to launch the raft and throw his backpack with whatever he could into it. Then he swam with the wind and current. He had no preparation.
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      19 March 2024 04: 33
      If he had rowed, he would hardly have survived. He had some advice. If you find yourself overboard 100 miles from Africa, it’s better to sail to America. There are many more chances to get there.
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        21 March 2024 02: 24
        Quote: MCmaximus
        If you find yourself overboard 100 miles from Africa, it’s better to sail to America.

        I was able to remember another voyage in American waters on a soft ship - it was the raft “Nonparel” by John Meeks and it was at the end of the 19th century.
        But this was a technical experiment and not an anthropologist's expedition.
        Although the specifics of the technique are the same - long sailing on a soft boat and similar medical risks, such as the formation of bedsores.
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    18 March 2024 08: 32
    Thanks to the author.

    I read Heyerdahl's book, it was published in the USSR - with photographs and with our Sienkiewicz. A great book - a diary.

    I was somehow less interested in Severin, the gap has now been somewhat filled.