Petrine system made the Russian army invincible

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Petrine system made the Russian army invincible


From the history


In Ancient Rus', the role of officers was performed by professional warriors-combatants. The best warriors who showed their military skills and luck usually became tens, pentecostals, centurions, and commanders of thousands. Later, such a system was preserved for a long time among the Cossacks, when the most experienced, best warriors and commanders became centurions, captains, and atamans.



In parallel, a local, parochial system was developing, when officers became officers by birth (representatives of the nobility, nobles, boyar children, boyars, princes). From the XIV–XV centuries. the local system became dominant. At the same time, service princes, boyar-voivodes, and landowners served from childhood, so they were trained professional warriors.

Large regimental and simple regimental governors were appointed from representatives of the Duma ranks (boyars, okolnichy, Duma nobles), and they were also sent as governors to border cities. The most honored boyars could be appointed commanders of the entire army. During wartime, some of the Moscow servicemen were part of the Sovereign's regiment, while others were sent to other regiments, where they, together with elected nobles, occupied the positions of governors, their comrades, and heads. When distributing positions, local seniority was taken into account.

In the 17th century, the Romanovs began to form regiments of a new system based on Western European models. There, the command staff was named in the Western manner (corporals, warrant officers, captains, captains, majors, etc.). The officers were foreign military specialists or their own nobles.


Initial people (heads) or officers of the Moscow Streletsky regiments: in 1674. Source: Historical description of clothing and weapons of Russian troops, ed. Viskovatova A.V., Part 1. - St. Petersburg. : Military typ., 1841-1862

Reform


On February 26 (March 9), 1714, the Russian sovereign Peter I issued a decree not to promote to officer ranks those nobles “who do not know the soldier's business from the foundation" The Guard became a forge of officer personnel for the Russian army.

In 1720, Peter I issued a decree that ordered chief officers who were not descended from nobles to issue patents for noble dignity and to consider their children and all their offspring as nobles.

Sovereign Pyotr Alekseevich solved two important problems at once. Firstly, the nobility retained its function as a military class, which had to devote a significant part of its life to military service. At the same time, Peter I solved the important task of instilling the fighting spirit of the officer corps. All future officers were required to begin their service as ordinary soldiers, this gave them combat experience and an understanding of military service. A blow was dealt to the idea that nobles should immediately occupy positions of authority simply by virtue of their birth.

Secondly, Peter I retained the possibility of renewing the nobility, the influx of “fresh blood”. The rank of nobility retained its high status, but achieving the rank of nobility through service was open. The tsar personally appointed as high commanders and dignitaries both nobles born into this rank and those who acquired it through service.

Thus, one can recall the talented cavalry commander, associate and tsar’s favorite, Field Marshal General, first Governor General of St. Petersburg, Alexander Danilovich Menshikov. The pie seller was successively Peter's orderly, bombardier, sergeant and lieutenant.

Peter can be treated differently. He was a versatile person. I messed up a lot and made mistakes. It is enough to recall the All-Joking, All-Drunken and Extraordinary Council that he created, and its abominations. Or admiration for foreigners, European culture, especially in the first period of government. When the court and army were filled with foreigners, a significant part of whom were represented by adventurers, careerists and various European rabble. Westernization of Russia and its elite, which ultimately became the root cause of the Russian civilizational and state catastrophe of 1917.

But his attitude towards military service inspires respect. Pyotr Alekseevich himself studied military art from a young age and began serving as a drummer in the Preobrazhensky Regiment, as a simple soldier. He thoroughly mastered the service of a bombardier (artilleryman). At the same time, Peter diligently studied maritime affairs and military construction.

Only after the capture of Azov did the tsar put on the uniform of an infantry officer (captain). And he became a non-commissioned officer of the guard in 1700. At the same time, the king did not disdain any work, he was both a carpenter and a blacksmith, and mastered several crafts well. In this way he set an example for the entire noble class. Having once met young noblemen who had returned from studying in Western Europe, the sovereign told them:

“I am your king, but I have calluses on my hands. And all in order to set an example for you, and at least make you worthy helpers and faithful servants of the Fatherland in your old age.”

For the king, the main thing was not the origin of a person, but his personal qualities, skill, determination and courage. Ordinary soldiers were encouraged for good service, and could be promoted to officers for courage and skill. The Emperor placed military service very highly.

“Military Regulations” asks the question: “What is a soldier?" And he answers it as follows:

“The name of a soldier contains all the people who are in the army. From the highest general, even to the last musketeer, mounted or on foot.”

The regimental courts were to include not only headquarters, chief and non-commissioned officers, but also soldiers. Both officers and soldiers had the right to a free and decisive vote.

Peter forbade officers to take privates into service, except for orderlies. However, orderlies could also be hired in limited numbers, and they were not considered forced servants. They could not be treated harshly. The orderly under the officers performed a variety of functions - he was a messenger, messenger, security guard, took care of the officer’s life, luggage, etc. Usually orderlies were taken from the less capable lower ranks.


Chief officer and Staff Officer of the Preobrazhensky Regiment, from 1700 to 1732. Source: Historical description of clothing and weapons of Russian troops, ed. Viskovatova A.V., Part 2. - St. Petersburg. : Military typ., 1841-1862.

Petrovskaya system


Peter's system, aimed at forming a class of warriors familiar with military service from a young age and knowing all the intricacies of military affairs, led to brilliant results. Already under Pyotr Alekseevich, the Russian army surpassed in the art of war one of the most advanced armies in Western Europe - the Swedish. The Russian armed forces surpassed the Swedish ones in all areas: they defeated them in a number of battles, including in the general battle - the Battle of Poltava, took their most important fortresses in the Baltic states, and learned to fight at sea. The Russian Baltic Fleet, created by Peter, surpassed the Swedish fleet. Subsequently, the army created by Peter brilliantly smashed the Persians, Crimean-Turkish hordes, Swedes, Prussians and French.

During the Seven Years' War, the Russian army stopped the formidable Prussian troops of Frederick the Great, who were considered the best in Western Europe, at the Battle of Zorndorf. The Russian infantry showed amazing resilience in this battle. A participant in this battle, A. T. Bolotov, described one of the stages of this battle as follows:

“In groups, small groups, having fired their last bullets, they remained as solid as a rock. Many, pierced through and through, continued to stand on their feet and fight...”

And the Prussian king Frederick, summing up the results of the battle, said that Russian soldiers

“...you can kill rather than win.”

The Prussians simply refused to go on the attack, having tasted Russian bayonets. At the Battle of Kunersdorf, the Russians completely crushed the Prussian army, the best in Europe. Then Russian troops took Berlin and Königsberg, the most important centers of Prussia.

Russian troops under the command of Rumyantsev and Suvorov simply swept the Crimean-Turkish hordes out of their way. They were beaten in small numbers. Brilliant victories at Larga and Kagul, the assaults of Ochakov, Izmail and Anapa forever entered the Russian military chronicle. The Russian fleet under the command of Ushakov made the Black Sea a “Russian lake”. Suvorov’s Italian and Swiss campaigns showed Europe that Russian soldiers were capable of defeating the new “star” of the European arena - the French army.

In the future, the Russian army will be able to firmly meet the blow of Napoleon’s “Grand Army” - in fact, it will be a “pan-European army”, commanded by a cohort of the best French and European commanders. However, almost this entire army will be buried in the vastness of Russia. Russian soldiers will stand indestructibly in the Battle of Borodino, drive away the European hordes and liberate Berlin, and then Paris. Russian soldiers will annex the North and South Caucasus to Russia, defeating the Ottomans, Persians and highlanders.

Tsar Peter destroyed the remnants of localism. This was the name for the order of distribution of official places, taking into account the origin and official position of the ancestors of the nobleman (boyar). Ivan the Terrible also struggled with this problem. A nobleman under Pyotr Alekseevich, if he did not serve the sovereign - 7 years in military service or 10 years in civilian service, until old age was considered a “minor,” that is, a nobleman who did not enter public service.

Those nobles who avoided military reviews were deprived of their estates. As a result, the original essence of the existence of the nobility was restored. The nobles had to defend the Fatherland, shed blood, and devote their best years to service. For this they received the right to the estate. Under Peter, the service of a hereditary nobleman could continue until old age as privates and non-commissioned officers. This was especially true for illiterate nobles and landless nobles, single-lords.

For a long historical era it was a fair system. Rus'-Russia has been at war throughout its history. There were almost no peaceful years. The entire population, classes and social groups performed “service”. The raison d'être of the nobles was to protect the Fatherland. They were soldiers of Russia, and the Tsar was their general, the supreme commander in chief.

If a nobleman stopped serving for any reason, the estate was confiscated. The widow of a deceased warrior had the right to a part of the estate sufficient to feed her (this part was called “oprich” - “except”). If the children of a deceased nobleman did not join the fighting line by the age of 15, the estate was taken away for the benefit of the state. True, this did not stop everyone. Those who did not want to serve could enroll in other classes - the clergy, merchants or even peasants. There were even cases of nobles becoming slaves. Thus, in pre-Petrine times, decrees were issued prohibiting nobles from becoming slaves.

Destruction


Unfortunately, under other rulers this system began to collapse. After the death of Pyotr Alekseevich, the nobles began to receive one privilege after another. In 1736, Anna Ioannovna limited their service to 25 years. In 1746, Elizabeth prohibited all classes, except the nobles, from buying land and peasants.

Peter III generally exempted nobles from compulsory service - “Manifesto on the Freedom of the Nobility” of February 18, 1762. Catherine II will confirm this manifesto and further expand the rights of the nobility. At the same time, the noble class fully retained its previous privileges and constantly increased their number.

The nobility turned into a closed privileged caste. They could even leave Russia and live most of their lives in Western Europe. Moreover, they received the right to enter foreign service. From now on, for a significant part of the Russian “elite”, France, England, Italy and Germany will become much more interesting and nicer than “this” Russia. They will squander huge amounts of money in European cities, which will be siphoned out of the peasantry and Russia. In fact, part of the nobility will become outright parasites. And the further it goes, the more frank it will be.

During the same period, serfdom received its classic form. Nobles received the right to freely dispose of their lands, regardless of whether they served. The nobles received the right to transfer peasants from one district to another, and bureaucratic obstacles were strengthened that prevented the peasants from joining the ranks of merchants.

Under the dominance of Western culture, when German became the native language of the nobles, then French and English, a huge gap arose between the nobles and the peasantry. In the Russian Empire they created a “foreign people”, a foreign body on the Russian people. The people's powerful reaction to this injustice was Pugachev's Peasant War (Russian riot). Subsequently, the contradiction was not resolved and served as one of the most important prerequisites for the Russian Troubles of 1917.

It should be noted that, spat upon by everyone and turned into a fool, Emperor Pavel (The myth of the "mad emperor" Paul I) understood this problem well. This was a sovereign knight who tried to restore justice, return to the correct system, discipline the nobility, and make the existence of the peasantry easier. However, his attempt to bring back the ideals of chivalry, restoring the true raison d'être of the nobility, and his challenge to Britain led to a conspiracy. Traitor nobles, with the organizational support of the British, killed the Russian Tsar. And then they denigrated his name, creating the image of a jester and despot on the throne.

The destruction of the system that Peter introduced gradually led to a weakening of Russia's military power, especially with regard to the generals. Careerists, performers, sons of aristocrats and generals began to become generals. “Militancy”—decisiveness and initiative—began to leave the army. There were many “peacetime” generals who served well in peacetime, but could not lead troops to victory during the war. The result was disastrous - defeat in the Eastern War, numerous mistakes and unnecessary casualties in the 1877-1878 campaign, defeat by Japan, the disaster of the First World War and the Troubles of 1917.

This same vicious practice was inherited by the Red and Soviet armies. Hence the disasters of 1941-1942. Then the fighting Russian army, which took Warsaw, Königsberg, Vienna, Berlin and Prague, was revived. Many fools were removed, others died, and “new blood” arrived. Khrushchev and Gorbachev with their “reforms” practically destroyed the army and its spirit. All that's left is the form. The Russian Army took the worst that was in the army of the Russian Empire and the USSR. Careerism, lack of initiative, belligerence, window dressing, unwillingness to learn from mistakes. Therefore, SVO in 2022-2024. does not shine with victories. But there are a lot of mistakes by the command, which ordinary soldiers cover up with their heroism.

It should be noted that during the Eastern (Crimean) War, the Russian-Turkish War of 1877-1878. and the First World War, Russian troops fought best on the Caucasian front. In the Caucasus, Russian troops were in constant readiness; war with the Turks, highlanders or Persians could break out at any moment. There was no place for servicemen and careerists; real military officers served in the Caucasus.

Ideally, this system needs to be restored in Russia. Anyone who aspires to be an officer must begin his career as a private in the army. Show your skills and knowledge, the ability to be a soldier, grow to a non-commissioned officer (sergeant major, sergeant, warrant officer), and then grow to train for an officer position.

This is exactly how they served in the Third Reich, which was distinguished by an excellent officer and senior command corps. Future colonels, generals and field marshals of the Wehrmacht began their service as privates. Having shown their willingness to learn, their skills, they took a number of courses and schools, becoming experienced commanders of the Reichsheer (ground forces of the German Empire), Reichswehr and Wehrmacht.


T-62M of the 160th Guards Regiment on the march. Chechen War
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  1. -14
    9 March 2024 05: 02
    After Peter the Great, Russia did not have normal rulers
    1. +13
      9 March 2024 05: 50
      Quote: Sergey Nikilaev
      After Peter the Great, Russia did not have normal rulers

      This is a cinematic classic:

      Why weren’t you satisfied with the same Joseph Vissarionovich?
    2. +8
      9 March 2024 07: 32
      Why, and Yeltsin? He was also an alcoholic. He also worshiped the West and hated everything Russian.
      1. 0
        9 March 2024 11: 16
        Quote: Gardamir
        Why, and Yeltsin

        Wasn't that versatile... wassat
    3. +6
      9 March 2024 07: 56
      Oh, so many laudatory praises for the “invincible” “service class... The author, however, seemed to be ashamed to add in his work where the “reforms” should have finally come... Maybe in general it would be desirable to introduce the nobility, the monarchy, the class code, and everything that is attached to this, well, there: registered and state servitude, recruitment, military taxes, billeting rights, etc.?.... It is advisable to immediately decide how long the recruits will be allowed to serve? For life or will we limit ourselves to 25 years?. ..Well, why waste time on trifles, look how successfully this system worked under Peter....laughing lol
      1. AAK
        +5
        9 March 2024 14: 04
        There are just a few praises... In my opinion, the author never found the moral strength to tell the whole truth, so he gave it out in pieces, on various issues, and was unable to draw conclusions and finish drawing the parallels he had begun.. .
        Peter, who came under the influence of Lefort from his early youth, further strengthened his Westernism during the time of the Great Embassy (in our historical publications, by the way, the number of “defectors” from the total number of those sent to Europe for education was almost never mentioned), this tendency of “admiration before the West" passed not only to the end of the Russian Empire, but also through the USSR and reached modern Russia.
        It was Peter who consolidated military feudalism as the paradigm of the Russian state structure for almost 150 years. The established guard, which was supposed to become a forge of personnel, later became only a gathering of lovers of palace coups, drunkards and burglars...
        Well, the author should have continued the parallel from Khrushchev to now, when the “army mortgage holders” from the current guard have “gloriously” proven themselves near Kharkov and Izyum, abandoning their equipment, it’s time for some great strategists to understand that an army that, instead of a fighting one, work is engaged in parades, is worth nothing and is doomed to defeat, just as the aging government is doomed to stagnation...
    4. +1
      18 March 2024 13: 54
      IMHO, Peter did more harm than good. The same John III was a much more effective ruler.
  2. +8
    9 March 2024 05: 47
    On February 26 (March 9), 1714, the Russian sovereign Peter I issued a decree not to promote to officer ranks those nobles “who do not know soldiering from the ground up.”

    Can you tell me which generals and generals’ ladies in the Defense Ministry don’t know soldiers’ business, and which ones didn’t know any business at all?
    Remind me who in the Security Council considered slicing sausage the most dangerous thing?
    1. +1
      11 March 2024 13: 39
      Shoigu has had as many as three suede coats - all more general. All under 45 years old.
      Is it really possible that our great commander is mistaken and should take gray-haired men for himself? and not young models?
  3. +4
    9 March 2024 05: 47
    At the beginning of his reign, Peter understood perfectly well that with that army and that fleet, it was impossible to resist the enemy. It was necessary to study. They went to Europe not as tourists, but to gain knowledge. Patriarchal Russia of those times with patriarchal laws would otherwise have been an excellent prey for the Europeans. About the defeats at the beginning of the Second World War. Stalin trusted his entourage too much, who painted him rosy pictures about the state of our army .
    1. +1
      12 March 2024 17: 57
      Stalin trusted ..... You just made me laugh ....,
    2. +1
      18 March 2024 14: 07
      Stalin trusted, but checked. This is now, it is not customary to check what I heard and believed. But it's convenient. In a warm bath...
  4. +5
    9 March 2024 05: 57
    I agree with the author in terms of training command personnel. In the army you need to SERVE, and not go to work. Off topic, but it makes me laugh when they talk about actors - he served or is serving in such and such a theater... lol
    1. +3
      9 March 2024 06: 14
      Quote: curvimeter
      It makes me laugh when they say about actors - they served or are serving in such and such a theater...

      Yes, we even have a president! Serves the people. It really needs to be clarified which one.
      Can our oligarchs be called our people?
      1. 0
        11 March 2024 13: 41
        If earlier he started his election and New Year's speeches with the words - dear people, or citizens.
        in recent years, frankly - dear friends.
        do you consider him your friend? and he you?
        So who is he talking to? that's right - to the Rottenberg brothers, Sechin, Timchenko, Peskov, Chubais and other friends of his circle.
    2. +2
      9 March 2024 09: 29
      Serve is an old Russian word. Everyone was a servant and everyone served. The future Admiral Krusenstern, in his notes on the discovery of Antarctica, called his sailors “servants.”
  5. +2
    9 March 2024 06: 38
    The general motive of the article is that without nobles, the further history of the development of Russia will have dark pages, and even darker without nobles in it, the further history of the Russian army will be.
    So that's how it is. But where do we get these nobles and their class? And after watching the series “Union of Salvation,” you can paraphrase the words from one Soviet film and ask, “Are you nobles? Then why do you have Ryazan muzzles.” What I mean is that even having gathered the entire galaxy of today’s most “beautiful” actors Bichevin, Matveev, Priluchny, Yankovsky, Domogarov, Averin, Bezrukov, the director did not achieve the result, as the actors did not try. There is not a drop of noble nobility on their faces. And the clothes and hairstyles and uniforms and shoulder straps and offices “like a nobleman” are convincing, but there is no noble noble face: Although twenty or thirty years ago, it was like two years ago for Soviet actors Dmitriev, Solomin, Yakovlev, Zeldin to play the face of a noble nobleman... finger on the asphalt. So if time is running inexorably from the memory of Russia, that even actors can no longer play noble nobles, then where will this class come from for the Russian army or in the Russian army. Of course, you can, just like the tavern singer Pugacheva, call yourself a Prima Donna, you can appoint counts and nobles from the same people, but this will be a comedy, not a state or an army.
    1. +5
      9 March 2024 09: 07
      Quote: north 2
      There is not a drop of noble nobility on their faces.
      This means the film was made more historical, closer to reality. It would be necessary to add further signs of degeneration due to consanguineous marriages.
    2. +1
      9 March 2024 20: 22
      How about “noble nobility” on your face? Can you explain please.
  6. +8
    9 March 2024 07: 41
    Half of it. what Petka is credited with began under Fyodor Alekseevich. And he reformed the army. And the boyars voluntarily shaved their beards and wore Polish clothes.
    Petka did everything through blood
    1. 0
      9 March 2024 13: 24
      Who is this, Fedor Alekseevich?
      1. +5
        9 March 2024 16: 34
        Sovereign of the Russian Kingdom. The elder brother of Pyotr Alekseevich. He managed to do a lot, despite the fact that he did not rule for long.
        1. +2
          9 March 2024 17: 47
          So, to be honest, the beginning of the transformation of the army in the Moscow state after the Time of Troubles was laid by Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov.
  7. +9
    9 March 2024 07: 52
    Unfortunately, under other rulers this system began to collapse.
    If it began to collapse, then why does the author mention victories by the Turks, or by the same French. By the way, Peter lost miserably to the Turks.
    Ideally, this system needs to be restored in Russia. Anyone who aspires to be an officer must begin his career as a private in the army.
    under Peter there were no military schools where future officers were trained, and for 5 years. And the cadets, in fact, are the same privates.
    In general, we need to look to the future, and not to the glorious past!
    1. -2
      9 March 2024 08: 18
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      In general, we need to look to the future, and not to the glorious past!

      Only those who remember their glorious past can look into the future!!!
      1. +5
        9 March 2024 08: 30
        Quote: Fitter65
        Only those who remember their glorious past can look into the future!!!
        The main thing is that he does not live in this past!
        1. -4
          9 March 2024 08: 32
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          The main thing is that he does not live in this past!

          I agree here. The option is that our grandfathers lived like this and told us to, a dead end...
    2. -1
      9 March 2024 19: 42
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      By the way, Peter lost miserably to the Turks.

      During the Azov campaigns, Peter 1 took Azov. The defeat on the Prut in front of a Turkish army superior to the Russian one at least 2 times was quite worthy and forced Turkey to henceforth reckon with Russia as a dangerous and strong adversary. Until the end of the 17th century, Turkey either defeated Russia or waged offensive wars against it, as during the Astrakhan campaign of the Janissaries. By the way, it was under Peter 1 that Russia stopped paying tribute to Muslim states. The United States and France only got rid of paying tribute to Algeria in the 19th century.
      1. +1
        10 March 2024 09: 50
        Quote: gsev
        During the Azov campaigns, Peter 1 took Azov. The defeat on the Prut in front of a Turkish army superior to the Russian one by at least 2 times was quite worthy
        He turned out to be worthy as a result of bribing the vizier. At the same time, Azov, previously conquered, had to be given back. And so Peter was ready:
        1) Give Azov and all previously conquered cities on their lands to the Turks.
        2) Give the Swedes Livonia and other lands, except Ingria (where St. Petersburg was built). Give Pskov as compensation for Ingria.
        3) Agree to Stanislav Leszczynski, the protege of the Swedes, as the Polish king.
        So there was nothing to be proud of. Essentially a repetition of the Swedish campaign of Charles 12th in Russia, it was just luck that the vizier was able to be bribed.
        1. 0
          10 March 2024 11: 29
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          It was just lucky that the vizier was able to be bribed.

          If the Russian army were truly weak, the vizier would simply give the order to attack and destroy it. But he did not dare to attack, although in case of victory he could have gotten everything. Apparently he didn’t really believe in victory. The most important thing is that Peter 1 laid the foundations for the development of Russia, which led Russia to the ranks of the great states of Europe. The turn of the 18th and 19th centuries was generally the century of Russia, when its army did not suffer defeats in general battles until Austerlitz. Before Peter 1, there was a defeat in the war against Turkey with the loss of Right Bank Ukraine and unsuccessful campaigns against Perekop under Sofia.
  8. BAI
    +3
    9 March 2024 10: 33
    Everything returns to normal. Only the one who defended the state can lead the state
  9. +11
    9 March 2024 11: 14
    All future officers were required to begin their service as ordinary soldiers, this gave them combat experience and an understanding of military service.

    Samsonov revised his old article. I appreciate his sense of humor or banter with the reader, I don’t know - a new article was published exactly ten years after the first, to the same day, March 9th. Does he let the archive of 10 years pass through the ring?
    https://topwar.ru/41082-9-marta-1714-g-petr-i-izdal-ukaz-zapreschayuschiy-prisvaivat-oficerskie-zvaniya-dvoryanam-ne-sluzhivshim-ryadovymi.html
    As for Peter’s decree, very soon in most cases it was an empty formality. They enrolled in the regiment from childhood, it is clear that the children did not actually serve, but served as soldiers. As an option, they served for some time in the elite guards regiments, where everyone was nobles, and the main weapon was a snuff box :))
    1. +2
      11 March 2024 13: 43
      As long as they pay for articles somewhere, why not?
  10. +4
    9 March 2024 11: 55
    Uh... Propaganda?
    Are they beating everyone all the time, etc.?
    Peter, I remember, defeated the Swedes without artillery and far from their bases in large numbers.
    Then I fell into a similar trap in a Persian ship.
    And so on. They didn’t interfere with large countries (like France), they successfully more or less crushed backward little things
    (sometimes you read descriptions - the emir gathered an army of 10 thousand... only the bodyguards had firearms...)

    IMHO, everything is somehow ambiguous...
    1. +2
      9 March 2024 13: 25
      What kind of “Persian” campaign is this? Maybe in Prutskoye?
      1. +2
        9 March 2024 21: 22
        Exactly. Thank you for correcting it.
  11. +1
    9 March 2024 13: 33
    And with the current one always deceived, there are the same mediocre careerists and ass-licking around him.
  12. +2
    9 March 2024 14: 01
    When the court and army were filled with foreigners, a significant part of whom were represented by adventurers, careerists and various European rabble. Westernization of Russia, its elite, which ultimately became the root cause of the Russian civilizational and state catastrophe of 1917.
    Samsonov corrected Putin himself, he believed that Lenin had laid a mine under our country, but Samsonov was digging deeper - it turns out that Peter I.
    1. +2
      9 March 2024 19: 52
      Quote: Aviator_
      Samsonov corrected Putin himself, he believed that Lenin had planted a mine under our country

      In this case, Putin apparently does not know history and has not read the memoirs of V. Chernov, the leader of the right Social Revolutionaries, in which he boasted how in the spring of 1914, on the eve of World War I, he planned with a representative of Pilsudski the separation of Poland about Russia with the transfer to the Pole of everything from the lands that the Poles wished . Lenin nevertheless buried Pilsudski’s plans for Poland from the Baltic to the Black Sea. And the North Military District under Lenin and Trotsky returned Ukraine to a single state in just 1 years. The separation of Ukraine from Russia is not to blame for Lenin, who died long before 2, but rather Sobchak and his zealous assistant.
      1. +2
        9 March 2024 20: 13
        Putin apparently does not know history and has not read the memoirs of V. Chernov, the leader of the right Social Revolutionaries
        It’s not the king’s business to understand history. If he orders the court historians, they will sort it out.
  13. +6
    9 March 2024 16: 24
    Westernization of Russia and its elite, which ultimately became the root cause of the Russian civilizational and state catastrophe of 1917

    A very bold statement.
    Personally, I don’t understand at all what kind of “Russian civilizational” catastrophe occurred in 1917.
  14. +4
    9 March 2024 16: 29
    Pyotr Alekseevich himself studied military art from a young age, began serving as a drummer in the Preobrazhensky Regiment, a simple soldier

    The author gives the reader the false impression that someone forced Peter to do this or made him obligated to do this service. And this is absolutely not true. Peter's "service" in the Preobrazhensky Regiment in any of the positions - be it a drummer or a bombardier - was his personal choice and, in essence, nothing more than a game, albeit with a pronounced useful component. And this “service” was definitely not associated with any hardships and hardships imposed by anyone.
  15. +8
    9 March 2024 17: 02
    Some kind of wild mess in the author’s head...
    Peter's system is good. True, it did not last long. That's why we lost the Eastern War, the First World War, etc.
    The author delicately does not notice that Peter’s system “failed” already by the middle of the 18th century and the officers who won the Russian-Turkish wars and defeated Napoleon were, in their absolute majority, young people who enlisted in the guards regiments as infants. But he reproaches the commanders of the Red Army for their sins for their failures in the initial period of the war and calls on the losers of this very war to learn from the Nazis. "L" - "logic"...
    No, I myself do not doubt the benefits of officers consistently going through all levels of military service, and I do not deny the importance of thoughtfully adopting the experience of others, including from the enemy.
    But to explain successes in building the armed forces and training military personnel by just one factor is, excuse me, pulling an owl onto a globe in an attempt to fit the solution to the problem to the answer.
    1. +2
      9 March 2024 19: 01
      Sad, very sad, the owl and the globe save the situation, some kind of intrigue! Again, there is room for a flight of fancy, albeit small, but there is... The topic, of course, is very interesting, it’s too complicated, it’s better to choose high-quality sewing and soap accessories wink
  16. +1
    9 March 2024 19: 14
    Now what to do?
    Should everyone who has not served in military service and is not a graduate of military schools be sent to serve at least a year of compulsory military service?
    Who will allow Khinshtein to be sent? Or Dmitry Anatolyevich for promotion.
    They praised Peter 1, scolded everyone else, and complained that even now not everything is good. But they didn’t suggest what to do.
  17. 0
    9 March 2024 19: 47
    Quite recently, the guarantor compared himself with Peter 1. Judas, liberal and Russophobe! He deified everything Western, spread rot on everything Russian.
  18. +2
    9 March 2024 19: 54
    How many praises are there for the serving class of Peter I. Am I paranoid or is this connected to the new project Time of Heroes? I wonder if a deeper transition to traditional values ​​is planned? When the sovereign's faithful servants are rewarded with land, as in the good old days, it will be necessary to rush around and buy men, 200 souls to begin with.
    1. 0
      9 March 2024 20: 00
      You separate the flies from the cutlets. Peter 1 flushed all the traditional values ​​of the Russian people down the toilet! His coffin must be sent from St. Petersburg to Holland, for which he was touched all the time.
  19. Eug
    0
    10 March 2024 09: 19
    As for me, the article “licks” the topic of creating special social elevators for Heroes who distinguished themselves in combat operations in defense of the Fatherland. No one argues with this, but the question arises: is devotion to the existing government and to the Fatherland the same thing or is there a difference? Is discrediting the authorities, its bodies and representatives the announcement of real negativity or its hushing up with persecution of those who announce it? And a whole series of similar ones...
  20. Eug
    +1
    10 March 2024 09: 29
    And yet - Ivan the Terrible was the first(?) to create such a system, called oprichnina... but he was not “European-oriented” - and therefore not worthy of mention...
  21. 0
    10 March 2024 12: 49
    Quote: Soul of Russia87
    Peter 1 flushed all the traditional values ​​of the Russian people down the toilet!
    He didn't leak anything. Even with the first Romanovs, they began to think that something was going wrong and that something should be done about it, although the object for observation was not the most successful one. At first they looked not at Holland/England/Sweden, but at Poland. Everything that Peter did, his father did. The difference here is in the methods and character of Peter himself, but what were the alternatives?

    Secondly, Ivan 3 and other Moscow princes, who were actively involved in orientalization and copying of the Tatar order, one must think, didn’t flush anything down the toilet? If you see that someone is doing something well, then if you are adequate, then go and learn, be it from the Tatars or the Dutch. Well, then the student’s abilities determine the final result of the efforts.
  22. 0
    10 March 2024 14: 01
    “Petrine’s system made the Russian army invincible” - DID it? AND..? Or did the army already exist like this, and Peter introduced a new uniform, wigs? This is the same as arguing that Serdyukov’s (we won’t touch the commanders-in-chief for now) reform of the army made it stronger. An army, like a country, is first and foremost a people. And from here it follows that the Russian army, despite all the reforms, still remains strong. However, and as a rule, after the “next brilliant” reforms, it becomes less combat-ready. Usually, if you look at history in this light, one of the Western enemies will certainly believe in their “advantages” and Russian “weakness” and take advantage of this and begin aggression. Thus (thanks to Western “partners” of all times) our army is again restoring its SPIRIT and POTENTIAL. Now we are seeing the beginning of progress towards recovery. Slowly, but breaking is not building. Moreover, for some reason our “Ylita” decided to be friends with the “West”, forgetting all historical lessons. Or maybe it’s not our elite, but theirs?
  23. +1
    10 March 2024 14: 20
    If you look at the map, the direction in which Russia should have waged war is quite obvious. For the development of the country, it was absolutely necessary to unblock the mouths of the Don and Volga, and then seize control of the Straits, bringing Russian trade, the exchange of goods and money, to the Mediterranean Sea. These two rivers provided Russia with unique opportunities for collecting goods from their tributaries and the main stream, as well as delivering imported products inside the country.
    As you know, Ivan the Terrible built the backbone of his State on the boyars - people of battle. It was impossible to occupy a prominent position in the country without going through real battles to protect it. Grozny left us the country that we actually have now.
    However, having come to power, the Romanovs replaced the people of battle with their yard dogs. What kind of honor could a court licker of the royal ass have? What are you talking about?)) To put it mildly, the yard dogs turned out to be not equal to the people of the fight. The country’s progress stopped, and the former leader of the continent dragged himself in the tail of Europe.
    Yes, Peter tried. Being a shameful amateur in military affairs (it’s a pity to read his “wise instructions”, horror, nightmare, nonsense!), he set out to imitate Europe. So, our goal is the mouths of great rivers and Straits. What is done? Some lands in the estuaries have been captured. But basically the Turks chased Peter and his “new system” with a pissing rag like that mangy dog.
    They even captured the warrior, after which he had to be ransomed for several annual incomes of the entire country. Which immediately led to a complete stop of any reforms and progress - no matter what! What did Peter do? Afraid to the point of wet pants of the Turks, who had not introduced “new systems,” Peter somehow reconquered the absolutely useless (no logistics) Baltic shores, after which, to add shine to the obvious failure, he pumped several more country budgets into the city, built in the middle of a rotten garbage dump.
    The greatest reformer, e!
  24. 0
    10 March 2024 20: 08
    In principle, everything is correct - until the beginning of the 19th century and the invasion of Napoleon, I disagree here ..

    The golden age of Russian military art - victories over the strongest armies of Europe (Prussia, Sweden), periodic defeats of the Turks and Persians - ended with the death of Suvorov.

    Then something happened and everything went wrong. Austerlitz is the first wake-up call, the first defeat of the Russians in a general battle. This caused a shock in Russian society, well described in War and Peace.
    Then again a chain of continuous defeats from Napoleon. I had to sign the Peace of Tilsit with him and become an ally of the BuonoParty against England.
    Borodino - approximate equality in manpower with the numerical and qualitative superiority of Russian artillery. Contrary to the persistent mantras about the “glorious victory of the Russians,” the greatly thinned Russian army did not dare to continue the battle (in this case, it would have had an unpleasant meeting with Napoleon’s untouched guard and God knows how it would have ended). The result of the “glorious Borodino victory” was the surrender of Moscow and the continuation of the retreat into the interior of the country.

    Napoleon was unable to feed the horde of his soldiers gathered throughout Europe in the winter and also left Moscow without a fight. Then began the persecution of the mostly already demoralized and decayed Grand Army. No matter what they write, Napoleon was able, in a hopeless situation, even with such an army, to cross the Berezina, preserve the guard as the basis for the revival of the army to continue the war, and escaped himself. Our Krylov was left to compose the fable “The Pike and the Cat,” where the fabulist blamed the Russian admiral Chichagov for everything.
    Then again lost wars. The Turks were barely defeated in 1877; the earthen fortress of Plevna was taken after three unsuccessful assaults only after the Turks themselves abandoned it.

    Soviet times are a topic for a separate discussion, but the first period of the Winter War and the Great Patriotic War were again military disasters one after another...
  25. 0
    11 March 2024 08: 09
    Russia is developing according to the same laws as the rest of the world and mainly Europe. Peter is an absolute autocrat who directed all the efforts of the entire society to achieve his goals. Subsequent rulers also acted logically, freeing the nobles from many responsibilities; they simply created a class for themselves that they could rely on - the nobles, the class of rulers and leaders.

    When rulers made mistakes, they were usually physically destroyed for this by representatives of precisely this class.

    At some point in history, this class could no longer cope with the function of management and was overthrown - although, rather, it simply left the scene. Peter bet on the nobles (and there was no one else to bet on) very late; a new progressive class was already gaining strength in Europe.

    Russia turned quite late from the path of absolutism - although, as it sometimes seems to me, it still has not turned away from it.

    IMHO, the Westernization of Peter is greatly exaggerated; it concerned primarily the upper layer of society, the same nobles. He did not encroach on Orthodoxy. The excesses in this and other processes are connected both with the personality of Peter and with the absolute nature of his power.

    He achieved a solution to the northern issue - access to the Baltic, but did not solve the southern issue, losing the war to the already weakened Ottoman Empire.
  26. +1
    18 March 2024 13: 52
    It was even impossible to promote those who had not served as officers, but here there was a whole Minister of Defense...
  27. 0
    18 March 2024 15: 58
    Fairy tales and more fairy tales. Retelling of literature and cinema. He was and will be a ghoul