Expedition to the ancestors. The life of the ancient Egyptians: first work, then fun

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Expedition to the ancestors. The life of the ancient Egyptians: first work, then fun
Fresco from the tomb of Nebamun at Thebes, c. 1400–1350 BC e.
Fragment (one of three) of a polychrome tombstone painting depicting a feast scene. It shows four women sitting on the ground, one of whom plays the flute, and two dancers entertain the guests with their dance in the upper register, which is not shown here. Dancers wear belts, earrings and bracelets. Female musicians wear earrings on their ears, wide collars on their shoulders, bracelets, armlets and rings on their fingers. The voluminous hairstyles (wigs), the abundance of jewelry and the exceptional grace of the women are striking. They are dressed in translucent festive outfits that beautifully fit their figures. But the dancers are depicted almost naked. Fifteen vertical registers of hieroglyphs have also been preserved. British Museum, London


No one comes from there,
to tell what happened to them,
To tell about their stay,
To cheer our hearts...
Follow your heart as long as you live
Put myrrh on your head,
put on thin fabrics,
Wear yourself with the wonderful real ointments of the gods,
Multiply your pleasures even more
Do not let your heart grieve,
Follow his desire and your good,
Do your work on earth
according to the dictates of your heart
And do not be sad until you come
day of crying for you, -
The one whose heart does not beat does not listen to complaints
And crying will not return anyone from the grave.
So, celebrate the joyful day and do not be sad,
For no one takes his good with him,
And none of those who went there,
not yet come back.
...A scroll is more useful than a chapel...
Harpist's song.
Came to us in the recording
on papyrus from the 14th century. BC e.

People and culture. Not long ago, an interesting article about the music of the ancient Egyptians appeared on our VO website, which fits quite logically into the series of our articles about the culture of ancient peoples, and in particular the same Egyptians. But, besides music, they knew many other entertainments, and were not at all manic and gloomy misanthropes, from morning to night only thinking about their tombs and otherworldly existence.



On the contrary, the Egyptians loved and knew how to have fun, and we know about this from the frescoes, again, on the walls of their tombs, that is, they tried to take with them to the other world everything that gave them pleasure during life, and to the maximum! And now we’ll tell you how they had fun.

And although this story is unlikely to be exhaustive - this is a very broad topic, it nevertheless allows us to get an idea of ​​the daily life of the ancient Egyptians, who worked a lot, but also knew how to relax.

But the illustrations for the story will be miniature figures of “soldiers” from various companies, depicting ancient Egyptians at work and play. It turns out that quite a lot of these figures are produced, so that you can even make dioramas out of them.

Of course, they are very expensive, especially those already painted, but they exist, which means there are those who buy these figures.

So, today we are going not just to our distant ancestors, but to the Egyptians, busy with various pleasant things.

But we will still start with labor, since it was directly related to their culture!

So…


Fresco from tomb TT52, located at Sheikh Abd el-Qurna, part of the Theban necropolis, on the west bank of the Nile, opposite Luxor. Belonged to Nakht, an ancient Egyptian official who served as scribe during the reign of Thutmose IV (1401–1391 BC or 1397–1388 BC), pharaoh of the Eighteenth Dynasty, first dynasty of the New Kingdom


Fragment of a fresco from the tomb of Nakht depicting three artists

The fact is that, working from morning to night in a hot climate, peasants and common people usually wore only one linen apron. Moreover, during field work they often took it off, since it was believed that any clothing restricts movement. This is why many Egyptians preferred to work naked.

So nudity in Egypt was not considered shameful, especially during the era of the Ancient and Middle Kingdoms.

The women's clothing was also very simple - a tight dress with straps, which they also often took off, preferring a short apron on their hips. Even less covered were the dancers and musicians who entertained the Egyptians at feasts and festivals, but why this is so, I think, there is no need to explain.


Egyptian family of the New Kingdom era. Set of two figures from King & Country (Hong Kong). There is also a child, but this is a separate figure!

It is known that during the construction of the pyramids, many Egyptians were periodically herded to this work. But not only men, but also women worked there!

The fact is that working under the scorching Egyptian sun from early morning until late evening required copious amounts of water for the workers building the pyramid. Brigades of girls and young women, many of whom were Nubians, provided drinking water; they brought fresh water to the workers throughout the working day.

After finishing their work they were kept in separate camps to ensure both their own safety and to eliminate the possibility that they would tire out the construction workers with unscheduled night activities!


But the Egyptians used these simple tools to determine the accuracy of making stone blocks... Set of two figures from King & Country (Hong Kong)


King & Country also has stonemasons in its collection! The left stonecutter is interesting. He could well have been cutting grooves in the rocky base of the pyramid. Then these grooves, connected to each other, were filled with water, perhaps even colored water. And when it evaporated, a clear mark remained on the walls of the grooves. But the excess rock was cut down, and thus the entire site for the construction of the pyramid became perfectly level!


Even the “stones” are produced by this Hong Kong company! Take them and combine them with stonemasons, and here you have a finished diorama from the Egyptian stories


Are the stonemasons thirsty? This Nubian woman can bring them water...


Building the pyramids and other structures was grueling work, and the workers needed more than just water to quench their thirst... This young woman is hard at work preparing a large container of local beer for the construction workers. It was hard to work under the scorching sun... Hence the minimum amount of clothing on the girl, which was quite understandable to the Egyptians of that time - “after all, she works”!

Noble people of the Old Kingdom wore a wide sash over an apron on their hips. And it was only this that distinguished them from the poor, and also the quality of the fabric. Well, they also decorated themselves with special collars trimmed with multi-colored enamel. In the Polish movie “Pharaoh” such mantle collars are shown very well.

However, what is important for us now is, first of all, that the Egyptians were passionate dancers. Not a single holiday, not a single significant event in personal and public life was complete without incendiary collective dances and dances, accompanied by singing and playing musical instruments.

The dancers wrapped themselves in ribbons and decorated their heads with wreaths of flowers. Others braided their hair into a long braid, to the end of which they tied a small ball. With quick movements, such a braid wriggled fancifully, which, apparently, was considered beautiful.


Dance of two dancers. Well, their figures were certainly a success. All that remains is to add the spectators beating the beat with their palms


And in this group there are two dancers and a girl accompanying them

Moreover, images of a whirlwind collective dance from the time of the V Dynasty have reached us. It is very reminiscent of modern pop acrobatic dances. So there is nothing contrived about these dancer figures. It was!


Three women playing traditional Egyptian musical instruments

There are images of a dance with a tambourine, a dance with castanets, a dance with wooden sticks, as well as couples dancing to the accompaniment of a harp, which was a truly folk instrument in Egypt. But its form has changed significantly over time.

Images of the Old and Middle Kingdoms are dominated by small six- and seven-string harps, which are played while seated. By the New Kingdom, twelve- and twenty-string harps appeared, larger than human height. You have to play them while standing. But at the same time, a very small harp was widely used, which was pressed to the shoulder while playing.


Harpist and flutist


Harpist with twelve-string harp

After the harp, the flute was considered the second most important instrument. The Egyptians used a whole family of different flutes - short, long and double. They were made from reed and wood, and the mouthpiece was usually made of papyrus.


However, we also have companies in Russia that make figurines of Egyptians no worse. This girl playing something like a banjo was made by the St. Petersburg company Silver Dream Studio. She looks great. And... we will definitely tell you about the work of this Russian company here someday!

What can you do if nudity is so attractive? So figurines of naked Egyptian women are made not only in Hong Kong and here, but also in Astana, where the Astana Toys company operates.


Here, for example, is a figurine of an Egyptian princess with a height of 65 mm. Astana Toys Company. It is interesting that many companies producing figures closely cooperate with each other. One company, say, makes them, while another is engaged in painting them, such as, for example, the same Russian company Silver Dream Studio


Princess on the bed. Height 80 mm. Astana Toys Company

So today we can study the history of Ancient Egypt not only from frescoes and bas-reliefs, but also from figurines of tin “soldiers” made by high-class craftsmen based on them.

Well, we will talk about various other Egyptian entertainment and amusements in one of our next articles in the “Expedition to the Ancestors” series.

PS The author and the site administration would like to thank the management of the "King & Country" company from Hong Kong for the photographs provided for this article.
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  1. +10
    3 March 2024 03: 54
    Yes, Vyacheslav Olegovich...
    Are the stonemasons thirsty? This Nubian woman can bring them water...

    No matter what they say -
    All will bring one to the women!

    We will not know for certain what happened there at the ancient Egyptian construction sites. But I rate fantasies on the topic of existing artifacts and frescoes as excellent.
    good
    1. +9
      3 March 2024 06: 51
      But I rate fantasies on the topic of existing artifacts and frescoes as excellent.

      Fantasies, fantasies, but ancient Egypt only with its pyramids proved that these guys built from the heart and for centuries.
      Thank you to Vyacheslav for continuing the topic, comrades have a good and fruitful Sunday, with respect to Kota!
    2. +6
      3 March 2024 07: 31
      Quote: ROSS 42
      But I rate fantasies on the topic of existing artifacts and frescoes as excellent.

      Fantasies of puberty... laughing
    3. +1
      3 March 2024 08: 02
      “I rate it as excellent,” I think that Vyacheslav Olegovich is not very imaginative. Still, the Egyptians carefully recorded everyday life
  2. +6
    3 March 2024 05: 25
    wassat Oh, how many wonderful discoveries are in store for us.....
  3. +5
    3 March 2024 05: 41
    The Egyptians turned out to be quite broiler lol Directly the first second and so on formulations of Viagra. But the Kazakhs’ last figure turned out well.
    https://cs9.pikabu.ru/post_img/2019/08/31/4/1567229158122923335.jpg
    Beaded dress. Quite modest, apparently
    1. +8
      3 March 2024 05: 48
      Beaded dress. For frosty weather
      1. +1
        3 March 2024 08: 23
        Is it really frosty there?
        However, everything is learned by comparison. We now have: +4, and two days ago it was -3. In my opinion, it's fresh. And my friend thinks it’s warm; she spent her whole life in Tyumen. At first, she was shocked by our temperature. Now I’m a little used to it, but I miss real winter
        1. +4
          3 March 2024 10: 34
          Snow is common in Egypt. Happens every hundred years. Here is a snapshot of last Egyptian winter.
          1. +1
            4 March 2024 16: 27
            Quote from solar
            Here is a snapshot of last Egyptian winter.

            actually it's a photoshopper
            1. +1
              4 March 2024 16: 33
              This particular photo is not. But there were indeed many fleachers who fabricated fake evidence of a real event for the sake of increasing popularity.
          2. 0
            4 March 2024 19: 19
            The last time we saw snow in Egypt was in December 2014, then all the Pyramids were covered with snow, and in Sharm at that time there was a terrible downpour, the main building of the hotel was flooded knee-deep...
        2. +2
          3 March 2024 12: 16
          The Nile froze a couple of times, but this was already in Arab times, in the 9th and 11th centuries, for such a river to freeze it takes significant frost for a long time, and it seems that after the frosts of the 11th century papyrus practically disappeared, it does not tolerate frost, which in turn led to the distribution of paper, Egypt even supplied papyrus to the Vatican. I have a question: did such freezing occur in more ancient times? If there were, they occurred during transitional periods, when Egypt was in decline, which is why it was, and with information about those times there are problems, Egyptologists need to drop the topic. Maybe they know something, I haven’t seen it.
          1. +2
            3 March 2024 13: 38
            Quote: Andobor
            The Nile froze a couple of times, but that was already in Arab times, in the 9th and 11th centuries........

            Just in time for the Little Ice Age! Then the Scandinavians died out in Greenland!
            Although there is an opinion that they did not die out, but mixed with the Inuit... They accepted their faith, way of life, and as a result survived.
            As for Egypt, some believe that before Narmer, Egypt was wetter, but less healthy, climatically. On both sides of the Nile there were tropical rainforests, and even further, on both sides, there was savannah. And there were 2 Countries---Valley Kingdom and Delta Kingdom! Independent! And their languages ​​were different. hi
            1. +3
              3 March 2024 17: 01
              Just in time for the Little Ice Age The fact is that in Europe it was precisely the climatic optimum, and the heyday of the settlement of Greenland. I have long noticed that Egypt as a whole corresponds to the climate changes in Eurasia, but is out of sync for a century or two, but I cannot understand the reasons. And the fact that it was definitely wetter there, all the bronze in the wadis adjacent to the Nile was not a bare desert as it is now, but a savannah, and in good times even wider.
              1. +3
                3 March 2024 17: 14
                Quote: Andobor
                ....... but out of sync for a century or two, but I can’t understand the reasons.......

                The reason is inertia and the law of large numbers. Nothing happens or spreads instantly! And it often happens that climate depends not only on geographic latitude, but also on topography, surface properties, and atmospheric processes. Therefore, the hypothesis about the “instant freezing of mammoths” is unrealistic in principle. And in general, there are cyclical annual processes in the Earth’s atmosphere, where energies are involved that are several orders of magnitude greater than would be released during the explosion of all nuclear weapons on the planet! Climate change takes time, and so does stabilization, and not a little time. hi
                1. 0
                  5 March 2024 22: 23
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Therefore, the hypothesis about the “instant freezing of mammoths” is unrealistic in principle.

                  Alexei Tolstoy in AELITE explained this by the fall of a satellite smaller than the Moon and the rapid tilt of the earth's axis. But he is a writer... So anything is possible.
                  1. -1
                    6 March 2024 10: 18
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    Therefore, the hypothesis about the “instant freezing of mammoths” is unrealistic in principle.

                    Alexei Tolstoy in AELITE explained this by the fall of the satellite......

                    hi I read all of Aelita!!! There was no mention of mammoths at all! Have you read it or listened to it in audio on YouTube? If the second option, then perhaps you are right! But I didn't listen to the end. Just as there are different versions of, say, Pushkin --- “The Golden Scallop Cockerel.”
                    In general, in addition to Tolstoy, Edgar Rice Burroughs also wrote about people on Mars, autochthons (by the way, Tolstoy read him!), and Bogdanov, and Lee Breckitt—these are the most famous. Well, Bradbury too, but I don't like him. Pessimism is complete. My dream is to buy Tolstoy's book about Venus --- "Blue Star". Something like this
                    1. 0
                      6 March 2024 11: 51
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      There was no mention of mammoths at all!

                      You didn't read carefully. Here is the phrase: “I ate their meat. They did not have time to decompose - they froze in a few days, they were covered with snow. Apparently, the deviation of the earth’s axis occurred instantly. The earth collided with a celestial body, or we had a second satellite, smaller than the Moon ". The chapter is called "In the Moose's Workshop."
            2. 0
              4 March 2024 11: 29
              “Their languages ​​were different” cannot be stated 100% correctly. Perhaps the dialects were different, and maybe the language, but this is all speculation
  4. +17
    3 March 2024 06: 36
    Photo from the construction of one of the pyramids
    1. +4
      3 March 2024 07: 09
      I was reviewing “The Merry Chronicles of a Dangerous Journey.”

      I remember: “Sometimes even demigods play around for the amusement of the crowd.”
    2. +5
      3 March 2024 07: 39
      Quote: ee2100
      Photo from the construction of one of the pyramids
      Shot on Nikon? wink
      1. +9
        3 March 2024 08: 21
        Shot on Nikon?
        No, on Canon. laughing
    3. +3
      4 March 2024 00: 16
      Quote: ee2100
      Photo from the construction of one of the pyramids

      Yes. Once in Tula they were dismantling an art warehouse. There are logs in two girths. Ten cadets were carrying one log on crowbars, a comrade colonel saw and was indignant: “What is this? Come on, quickly, four came out from under the log!”
  5. +4
    3 March 2024 08: 30
    Good health to all.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you for the figures. I liked the "musicians". There is a "field" for imagination
  6. +7
    3 March 2024 09: 08
    The fact is that, working from morning to night in a hot climate, peasants and common people usually wore only one linen apron. Moreover, during field work they often took it off, since it was believed that any clothing restricts movement. This is why many Egyptians preferred to work naked.
    Let's look at the collective farmers of Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan during the USSR. They probably worked in the fields no less than the “ancient Egyptians.” But....they were dressed in cotton robes and hats.
    And these clothes were traditional. Why did the inhabitants of Central Asia wear, and still wear, clothing that seems unsuitable for a very hot climate? But it's simple. If we remember our 8th grade physics, we will understand that both a fluffy sheepskin hat and cotton robes conduct heat poorly. In fact, it makes them warm. This is what turns them into a real salvation in the heat. Simple physics and nothing more.
    Maybe someone would like to say that there was no sheep farming in “Ancient Egypt”? But at least there were camels!!!!
    Here are some photos. Well, okay, about the photo with elders they can say that these are old people and they don’t work. But here's another photo. Yes, people here are not wearing hats (apparently, the cabin of the combine is still a little low for a hat). But all of them (except for one obviously boss in a hat) are wearing earflaps. But the cotton harvesting season begins in early September. That is, it’s still oh so hot.
    1. 0
      3 March 2024 09: 31
      “They were in cotton robes,” and you wanted them to work naked?
      1. +5
        3 March 2024 09: 41
        Vice versa. I just wanted them to work in clothes that would properly protect their bodies and heads from the sun.
        But the authors of works about Ancient Egypt force the Egyptians to work naked under the scorching sun laughing
        1. +1
          3 March 2024 09: 59
          Quote: Seal
          But the authors of works about Ancient Egypt force the Egyptians to work naked under the scorching sun

          There are images of Egyptians working in the fields. Have you never seen it? Busy with different work and all as one in skirts. By the way, I’ve asked you several times already. You have such interesting information about papyrus fakes. They would write us an article about this. And here’s what’s interesting: how to write all sorts of nonsense, you are the first, but you stubbornly refuse to answer my question about the material. What are you afraid of? What won't work or what will they throw poop at? Don't be afraid, you have to try!
          1. +2
            3 March 2024 10: 31
            Quote: kalibr
            Don't be afraid, you have to try!

            Sorry, it turns out you answered me yesterday. Didn't notice. But still, I don’t understand why, if you have interesting information, keep it under wraps? Knowledge does not belong to people - to God! And by distributing it you are doing something useful. Remember Descartes: “I think means I exist, I doubt means I exist!” If you have doubts, well, share your doubts with others...
          2. +2
            3 March 2024 13: 46
            Quote: kalibr
            And here’s what’s interesting: how to write all sorts of nonsense, you are the first,
            Your modesty is, of course, commendable, but there is no need to become poor. Where can I get to you? wink
            And the fact that they throw poop is an indicator WHAT ? This is an indicator that there are still more people like you here at VO. But I guess this won't last long hi
            1. 0
              3 March 2024 15: 48
              Quote: Seal
              Where can I go to you

              That's it! It is well known that one... can ask more questions than a hundred wise men can answer.
            2. +1
              3 March 2024 15: 50
              Quote: Seal
              But I guess this won't last long

              There was a certain Venya here. I also “doubted everything like YOU. I wrote that since there is a crescent moon on the banner of the knights, then they are Muslims. And where is it now? So over time there will be fewer people like you, dear.
            3. +1
              3 March 2024 15: 51
              Quote: Seal
              And here’s what’s interesting: how to write all sorts of nonsense, you are the first,
              Your modesty is, of course, commendable, but there is no need to become poor.

              The phrases do not fit together in meaning.
        2. +1
          3 March 2024 10: 19
          Quote: Seal
          I just wanted them to work in clothes that would properly protect their bodies and heads from the sun.

          You never know who wanted what. I would like only smart people to come to VO, but alas, this is from the realm of fantasy. But since everyone has the right to receive information, then look... .
          1. 0
            3 March 2024 10: 19
            Quote: Seal
            I just wanted them to work in clothes that would properly protect their bodies and heads from the sun.

            Even the Semites did not wrap themselves in clothes in Egypt!
          2. +5
            3 March 2024 13: 36
            Quote: kalibr
            I would like only smart people to come to VO.
            Oh, how I wish I could do that.
            Quote: kalibr
            but alas, this is from the realm of fantasy

            Exactly !!!! For some reason, there are people who are sure that if they published something in the Ast publishing house, then they are smart and have the right to determine whether others are smart or not. laughing
            For example, your “look, look.” Yes, I `m watching. And I see that the people sickles most likely reaps wheat. Those who hang these pictures don’t even question what metal the sickles are made of. It seems like it’s still too early for the iron ones to appear. But they always have an answer that these are either copper or bronze sickles. What I personally really want to do is order a copper or bronze sickle to be made, hand it over to these historians and send them into the field to reap something with a copper or bronze sickle laughing laughing
            But they won't go sad
            And further. What a paradox this is. The Egyptians built and built pyramids... but not a single fresco (of those that I came across) depicting Egyptians working in the fields or busy fishing, so to speak, shows pyramids. Not even in the background. Why ? Did the creators of the frescoes, which depicted the hard work of the Egyptians, ignore the pyramids on principle?
            Second. It was said earlier that it is not hot at all in Egypt in winter. I personally wrote that when I swam in the sea in one of the hotels in Hurghada in February in the evening, I remember the eyes of the beach guard, who stood in a long warm coat with a raised collar, wearing a hat and at the same time shivering from the cold.
            But here's the problem. On the frescoes (again, on those that I have encountered), there are no images of warmly dressed “ancient Egyptians”. By the way, it just occurred to me that numerous “ancient Greek” or “ancient Roman” images are also full of naked and half-naked figures, but there is not a single one warmly dressed. People in less warm clothes, or rather “robes,” begin to appear in the paintings of Italian painters of the Renaissance period in scenes on the theme of Christmas.
            1. -1
              3 March 2024 15: 26
              Quote: Seal
              something was published by the publishing house "Ast"

              And in the publishing house "Prosveshcheniye"? "Polygon", "Osprey Publishing", "Dream", "Lomonosov", Eksmo, Rosman... there are more, but I don't remember... There are mainly publishers of textbooks for higher education... It's interesting that this one three times republished: "Organization and conduct of advertising events through BTL communications"
              More details on livelib.ru:
              https://www.livelib.ru/author/236790/top/listview/biglist/~2
            2. +1
              3 March 2024 15: 41
              Quote: Seal
              But they always have an answer that these are either copper or bronze sickles. What I personally really want to do is order a copper or bronze sickle to be made, hand it over to these historians and send them into the field to reap something with a copper or bronze sickle

              There is no need to send us anywhere. Visit the website of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. Type in the search engine: Bronze sickle. It will be revealed to you... and then many more photographs of flint inserts in WOODEN sickles, which were used for a long time, even in the presence of bronze. Even razors were made of bronze and men used them to shave!
              1. +2
                3 March 2024 17: 33
                Quote: kalibr
                Even razors were made of bronze and men used them to shave!
                laughing laughing What historians can't come up with fool Well, order yourself such a bronze razor and try to shave with it. Please post photos wink
                No, of course, you can force the “ancient Romans” to shave with bronze razors. hi
                And what ? The ancient Romans, they are ancient, died long ago. Therefore, they are safe, since there will definitely be no objections from them lol
                About silicon sickles. Not God knows what, but for a man of Neolithic times it will do just fine. Firstly, he didn’t have to bench press that much. For there were no large fields yet.
                And secondly, oddly enough, the silicon inserts are quite sharp. And you can reap them.
                But those bronze sickles?? I believe that those items that naive archaeologists consider sickles are votive copies of real sickles. That's all. After all, in “Ancient Egypt,” according to historians, the cult of the dead was cultivated, isn’t it? hi
                1. 0
                  3 March 2024 18: 41
                  Quote: Seal
                  Well, order yourself such a bronze razor and try to shave with it. Please post photos

                  I wrote about it here and even posted photos. There was a series of articles about the Bronze Age. It was there
                  1. +1
                    3 March 2024 18: 53
                    Moreover, in England there is a master metallurgist who makes copies of ancient weapons and household items from bronze. Including for experimental archeology and its researchers. And you can order such a razor from him - a copy of finds in male burials. People are shaving, imagine...
                2. +2
                  3 March 2024 18: 43
                  Quote: Seal
                  are votive copies of real sickles.

                  Only if there are no traces of work on them. Which today are clearly visible under a microscope. They even check the cracks in the spear tips of Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons. In general, now, thanks to the achievements of science, the study of artifacts has significantly improved.
                3. +1
                  3 March 2024 18: 49
                  Quote: Seal
                  No, of course, you can force the “ancient Romans” to shave with bronze razors.

                  The Romans already knew iron.
            3. +1
              3 March 2024 15: 46
              Quote: Seal
              but not a single fresco (of those that I came across) depicting, so to speak, Egyptians working in the fields or busy fishing, contains pyramids. Not even in the background. Why ? Did the creators of the frescoes, which depicted the hard work of the Egyptians, ignore the pyramids on principle?

              But for some reason others came across them, and in sufficient quantities. I am planning a book: “Pyramids without secrets. Egypt, Nubia, Mesopotamia, Mexico, Europe, China.” True, the project is long. But it will be done. And all this will be there. I’ll probably even have to write an article about it here first and post these frescoes. But you have to wait - not all at once.
            4. +2
              3 March 2024 16: 37
              ......there are no pyramids. Even in the background......

              In general, in Egypt, all drawings had a ritual meaning! And the drawings on the walls of the tombs have a funerary meaning! Let me explain. They drew what they wanted to have after death!!!!!!!!!!!! So that in the Reed Fields they could have sex, a rich table, and drink --- they painted THIS, or rather, they ordered and paid the priest-artists (they were also clerks). Completely different logic! When a cat died, they not only embalmed it, but also placed embalmed mice in its tomb!!!!!!!!! Well, remember again hurtso that they work for the deceased.
              Well, why does he need a pyramid in heaven?
              1. +1
                3 March 2024 18: 48
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Well, why does he need a pyramid in heaven?

                Well, since you are such an expert, then answer. Moreover, there are inscriptions and drawings in the pyramids. There are many things that indicate their funerary purpose. If you want to illuminate your memory, we can’t remember everything, take a look at the materials of the series “War. Gold. Pyramids”. There's a lot of interesting things there...
    2. +3
      3 March 2024 10: 37
      fluffy sheepskin hats and cotton robes do not conduct heat well. In fact, it makes them warm. This is what turns them into a real salvation in the heat. Simple physics and nothing more.

      Curious, where does the heat generated by the human body during work go?
      1. +1
        3 March 2024 11: 50
        Quote from solar
        where does the heat go

        Turns into sweat!
        1. +6
          3 March 2024 14: 39
          Sweat itself does not cool, it cools through evaporation.
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      3. +7
        3 March 2024 11: 56
        You need to listen to the lectures of the anthropologist Drobyshevsky, as I understand it, our basic adaptation is the removal of heat through evaporation, which the Egyptians used, and there is a late arid adaptation, when evaporation is minimized to save moisture, then you need to bundle up from the external heat.
        That’s why Egyptians need to carry water, but a bundled-up Berber drinks coffee and three dates in the morning and is free all day, their metabolism is minimal.
        1. +1
          3 March 2024 15: 07
          Quote: Andobor
          You need to listen to the lectures of the anthropologist Drobyshevsky

          ++++++++++++++++++++++
        2. +4
          3 March 2024 16: 21
          Quote: Andobor
          You need to listen to the lectures of the anthropologist Drobyshevsky........

          Stanislav Drobyshevsky --- my topic! good He says it right. I also watched a series of lectures by Sergei Lopatin about evolution. Glad for your interest hi
        3. +4
          4 March 2024 00: 24
          There is a late arid adaptation, when evaporation is minimized to save moisture, then you need to bundle up from the external heat.

          Bushmen, for example, this is an adaptation to the arid zone. But they don’t wrap themselves in warm dressing gowns.
          The traditional clothing of the Arabs improves the conditions for the evaporation of sweat - it is spacious, the air circulating under it improves the evaporation of sweat, if sweat gets on the clothes (made from natural fabrics, of course), it then evaporates from the surface of the clothes, cooling it.
          Nothing to do with warm bathrobes in summer.
    3. +4
      3 March 2024 13: 27
      Quote: Seal
      ...... there was no sheep farming in "Ancient Egypt"? But at least there were camels!!!! .......

      In Egypt, camels appeared along with the Arab colonialists, due to further drying out of the climate. And they had sheep!!! The hieroglyph for a ram reads “BA”, and the soul is also called that’s why rams were sacred animals there. In the very south of the country they kept the Banebdjedets in the Temple of the Living Gods. That is, sheep. In this nome, when the old God died, he was solemnly buried, and a new one was chosen --- just like the Apis, Mnevis and Buhis bulls in other nomes. hi
    4. +5
      3 March 2024 14: 04
      Let's look at the collective farmers of Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan during the USSR. They probably worked in the fields no less than the “ancient Egyptians.” But....they were dressed in cotton robes and hats.

      Let's see. In the first photo there are collective farmers from Turkmenistan, in the second - from Uzbekistan. By the way, in Uzbekistan they don’t wear hats, they wear skull caps.
      As for the “wadding robes” in the summer, they were worn only out of poverty, if they could not afford more than one robe. Turkmen robes are divided into warm, quilted, with cotton wool, called don. They are worn in the cold season. And in warm weather they wear light robes without cotton wool, lined or without lining at all - pakhtasyz don.
      1. +2
        4 March 2024 00: 30
        Quote: Dekabrist
        As for the “wadding robes” in the summer, they were worn only out of poverty,

        Robes are worn as protection against snakes.
  7. +4
    3 March 2024 12: 33
    The figurine of a girl with a banjo raises doubts, she has a cobra on her head, this is Uraeus - a symbol of royal power, it could only be worn by the wife of the pharaoh or his daughter, they could play musical instruments and often did this, being high-ranking priestesses, but then it raises doubts dress.
    1. +2
      3 March 2024 13: 56
      Quote: Andobor
      Figurine of a girl with a banjo

      Tanbur/tambour. That’s what this instrument was called. However, there are several other names. hi
      1. +1
        3 March 2024 15: 10
        Quote: ArchiPhil
        Tanbur/tambur. That’s what this instrument was called

        Thank you. But do you know for sure that it was called that in Egypt?
        1. +1
          4 March 2024 09: 27
          Thank you. But do you know for sure that it was called that in Egypt?

          No one knows what the lute was called in ancient Egypt. Therefore, in the literature this instrument is called the Egyptian lute. There are a lot of musical instruments of the lute family, including a tambour (which, in turn, has five varieties), but still these are different instruments.
          In specialized literature they write that the lute came to Ancient Egypt after the conquests in South-West Asia, when tribute began to arrive in the form of “singing and dancing girls with their instruments.”
          1. +2
            4 March 2024 09: 37
            Apparently, the company “messed up” the figurine of the dancer; the dancer cannot have a uraeus on her head, and the pharaoh’s wife should not dance naked.
          2. +1
            5 March 2024 08: 56
            Quote: Dekabrist
            Tributes began to arrive in the form of "singing and dancing girls with their instruments."

            +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    2. +1
      3 March 2024 15: 09
      Quote: Andobor
      The figurine of a girl with a banjo raises doubts, she has a cobra on her head, this is Uraeus - a symbol of royal power, it could only be worn by the wife of the pharaoh or his daughter, they could play musical instruments and often did this, being high-ranking priestesses, but then it raises doubts dress.

      Alas, I can’t say anything here. The company did this and did it base this development on something?
    3. +5
      3 March 2024 15: 33
      Quote: Andobor
      The figurine of a girl with a banjo raises doubts, she has a cobra on her head, this is Uraeus - a symbol of royal power, it could only be worn by the wife of the pharaoh or his daughter, they could play musical instruments and often did this, being high-ranking priestesses, but then it raises doubts dress.

      Or maybe this is the priestess of Astarte? [Goddess of forbidden love, borrowed from the Phoenicians, wife of God Seth]Then, if she is naked and with uraeus on the forehead, maybe this is the high priestess?
      1. +2
        3 March 2024 15: 55
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Or maybe this is the priestess of Astarte? [Goddess of forbidden love, borrowed from the Phoenicians, wife of the God Seth] Then, if she is naked and has a uraeus on her forehead, could she be a high priestess?

        Dima, hats off!!!
        1. +3
          3 March 2024 15: 57
          Remember the movie PHARAOH. What kind of priestess Kama was there - Barbara Brylska...
        2. +3
          4 March 2024 10: 01
          Dima, hats off!!!

          Put your hat back on. The wife of the god Set (Seth) was called Nephthys and she was the goddess of birth and death.
          As for Astarte and her cult, everything is so complicated that it would be enough to write a couple of articles. But her husband was supposed to be Baal.
          1. +1
            4 March 2024 12: 21
            Quote: Dekabrist
            As for Astarte and her cult, everything is so complicated that it would be enough to write a couple of articles.

            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Swept away!
  8. +4
    3 March 2024 13: 19
    The figurines from the King&Country company are beautiful, I looked at the prices of some, for example, a girl bending over a barrel of beer costs $47, two temple dancers cost $85. I remember the Egyptian Atlantic soldiers of the 70s and "Star" were very beautiful.
    1. +1
      3 March 2024 15: 20
      Quote from: Semovente7534
      The figurines from the King&Country company are beautiful, I looked at the prices of some, for example, a girl bending over a barrel of beer costs $47, two temple dancers cost $85. I remember the Egyptian Atlantic soldiers of the 70s and "Star" were very beautiful.

      Yes, they are very beautiful, and most importantly, they are very diverse and there are a lot of them. I have Atlantic figures. Now I'm remaking them into Egyptian sailors.
      1. +3
        3 March 2024 19: 24
        If you like, I found an Italian site that has all the Atlantic toy soldier boxes and all the other games it has published, and it is: Atlanticmania. com/IT
        1. +2
          3 March 2024 19: 25
          Quote from: Semovente7534
          If you like, I found an Italian site that has all the Atlantic toy soldier boxes and all the other games it has published, and it is: Atlanticmania. com/IT

          If this is not difficult for you, I will be very grateful to you.
          1. +4
            3 March 2024 19: 32
            Or if you don't already know, there is a site that lists all the brands with 1-72 scale toy soldiers. It's called: Plasticsoldierreview. com. You need to write it all together and there are two r's on the line.
            1. +1
              3 March 2024 19: 37
              Thank you, I will definitely take your advice.
            2. +2
              4 March 2024 00: 02
              It's called: Plasticsoldierreview. com. You need to write it all together and there are two r's on the line.

              What a complex person you are :))
              https://www.plasticsoldierreview.com
              1. +2
                4 March 2024 12: 53
                You know why I wrote it like that, because with the help of an automatic translator I wasn’t sure if there was 2p in the name of the site. Because sometimes the translator changes some words after I have already saved the already written message. An automatic translator does not always help.
              2. +3
                4 March 2024 13: 48
                Mr. Sergey, I was also joking, you corrected me correctly, because, as I already wrote, the automatic translator does not help, and I am not the greatest expert in the language used on the Internet. I hope there are no misunderstandings.
  9. +3
    3 March 2024 13: 39
    Quote: kalibr
    Even the Semites did not wrap themselves in clothes in Egypt!
    Do you mean Arabs? Or Jews? You would somehow decide who, because both Arabs and Jews are Semites.
    And further. Did they tell you themselves that they didn’t wrap themselves up?
    1. 0
      3 March 2024 15: 18
      Quote: Seal
      After all, both Arabs and Jews are Semites.

      It is written there..
      .
      Quote: Seal
      And further. Did they tell you themselves that they didn’t wrap themselves up?

      There is interesting research on the clothing of Semitic peoples, as well as ancient peoples in general. I.V. Blokhina World history of costume, style and fashion. Minsk, "Harvest", 2009, pp. 23-26. It is clear from the text that, in comparison with the figure depicted, they were “wrapped up” at home. Here I had material on the clothing of the ancient Jews. But I don't remember the name.
  10. +3
    3 March 2024 13: 52
    Quote: Reptiloid
    In Egypt, camels appeared along with the Arab colonialists, due to further drying out of the climate.
    Strange. But historians claim that there are stable trade ties between “Ancient Egypt” and “Ancient Mesopotamia”. But between these regions lie deserts. How did the “ancient Egyptian” and “ancient Mesopotamian” merchants transport goods to each other?
    1. +1
      3 March 2024 15: 11
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: Reptiloid
      In Egypt, camels appeared along with the Arab colonialists, due to further drying out of the climate.
      Strange. But historians claim that there are stable trade ties between “Ancient Egypt” and “Ancient Mesopotamia”. But between these regions lie deserts. How did the “ancient Egyptian” and “ancient Mesopotamian” merchants transport goods to each other?

      On donkeys!
    2. +2
      4 March 2024 11: 24
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: Reptiloid
      In Egypt, camels appeared along with the Arab colonialists, due to further drying out of the climate.
      Strange. But historians claim that there are stable trade ties between “Ancient Egypt” and “Ancient Mesopotamia”. But between these regions lie deserts. How did the “ancient Egyptian” and “ancient Mesopotamian” merchants transport goods to each other?

      hi I just now saw your question. Most likely, the only draft animals in Ancient Egypt were DONKEYS! Camels are not depicted either on the frescoes or on the sculpture! And they don’t exist in mythology either! While both the Bible and the Koran mention them.
      But donkeys and horses are mentioned there! After all, they had the Goddess Anat [also borrowed from the Phoenicians, another wife of Seth, the Goddess of war chariots and horses, and unrighteous war]! But horses in Africa, and in India too, get sick and do not reproduce well (as was a comment here a few years ago!). Therefore, it was donkeys that were the international transport system at that time!
      1. +1
        6 March 2024 00: 45
        Well, since they beat donkeys and horses, they probably beat mules too?
        1. +2
          6 March 2024 10: 29
          Quote: stankow
          Well, since they beat donkeys and horses, they probably beat mules too?

          I say it again hi horses in Africa and India do not breed!!! But in the Muslim East, mules are traditional. Just like in Christian countries. Despite the fact that the Bible prohibits the creation of interspecific hybrids.
          In Buddhist Tantrism there is a Wrathful Goddess named Lhamo. She rides on white mule He is, so to speak, not only a mount, but also a fighting comrade! Because Lhamo is a warrior goddess.
          1. 0
            10 March 2024 21: 08
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Quote: stankow
            Well, since they beat donkeys and horses, they probably beat mules too?

            I say it again hi horses in Africa and India do not breed!!! But in the Muslim East, mules are traditional. Just like in Christian countries. Despite the fact that the Bible prohibits the creation of interspecific hybrids.
            In Buddhist Tantrism there is a Wrathful Goddess named Lhamo. She rides on white mule He is, so to speak, not only a mount, but also a fighting comrade! Because Lhamo is a warrior goddess.

            Oh yes Dmitry! Well done!
  11. +4
    3 March 2024 14: 11
    Yes, very interesting. How would you comment on the fact that, according to some sources, in ancient Egypt there was a cult of purity, and everyone (maybe the majority) shaved all the hair on their bodies, including women, and wore wigs.
    1. +1
      3 March 2024 15: 55
      Quote from shikin
      How would you comment on the fact that, according to some sources, in ancient Egypt there was a cult of purity, and everyone (maybe the majority) shaved all the hair on their bodies, including women, and wore wigs.

      There will certainly be material about this.
  12. +2
    3 March 2024 17: 34
    Quote: Reptiloid
    They drew what they wanted to have after death!!!!!!!!!!!! So that in the Reed Fields they could have sex, a rich table, and drink --- they painted THIS, or rather, they ordered and paid the priest-artists (they were also clerks).
    You know better. I did not communicate with the "ancient Egyptians" hi
    1. +1
      4 March 2024 01: 04
      Quote: Seal
      So that in the Reed Fields they would have intimacy, a rich table, drinks - they painted THIS,

      Who is talking about what, and the bald man is talking about a comb...
  13. +2
    3 March 2024 17: 36
    Quote: kalibr
    On donkeys!
    Who is talking about what, and you are talking about who is for you..... laughing laughing laughing
  14. +1
    3 March 2024 17: 38
    Quote: kalibr
    There was a certain Venya here.
    Well, this is most likely your creature. These are the ones you need. To look absolutely presentable against their background. lol
    1. +1
      3 March 2024 19: 00
      Quote: Seal
      To look absolutely presentable against their background.

      There is no need to appear stupider than you are. For me, VO is just one of the platforms and to incite some Vens to this is simply stupid. I look more than presentable on the pages of more than 40 publications in the USSR, Russian Federation, England, Germany and Singapore. You never dreamed of such fame, and it doesn’t shine from anywhere. Hence your desire to show your “self” in some way. It’s a completely understandable desire, humanly speaking.
  15. +2
    3 March 2024 17: 41
    Quote: kalibr
    There is interesting research on the clothing of Semitic peoples, as well as ancient peoples in general. I.V. Blokhina World history of costume, style and fashion. Minsk, "Harvest", 2009, pp. 23-26. It is clear from the text that, in comparison with the figure depicted, they were “wrapped up” at home
    I.V. Blokhin is several thousand years old and everything he writes is certainly accurate, from his personal memories? Aren't you funny yourself? Oh yes, you never find it funny when we are talking about "Ancient History" lol
    1. 0
      3 March 2024 19: 01
      Quote: Seal
      definitely accurate

      Certainly! After all, there are images. And even the fabrics were preserved.
  16. +2
    3 March 2024 17: 43
    Quote: kalibr
    That's it! It is well known that one... can ask more questions than a hundred wise men can answer.
    And the main thing is that he alone (well, okay, he’s still far from alone) considers himself a sage hi
    1. 0
      3 March 2024 19: 02
      Quote: Seal
      considers himself a sage

      I never considered myself that way. But in this area our knowledge, of course, is not even comparable.
      1. +2
        4 March 2024 01: 08
        Quote: kalibr
        considers himself a sage

        I never considered myself that way.

        You are disingenuous, to put it mildly.
        1. 0
          4 March 2024 07: 03
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          You are disingenuous, to put it mildly.

          Only fools deceive; for them, deceit replaces intelligence. I understand perfectly well that there are many people who know a lot more than me. But there are many more who are inferior to me by this criterion. I should learn the first, and teach the second myself. Explained in an accessible way to the level of intelligence?
  17. +2
    3 March 2024 17: 47
    Quote: Dekabrist
    In the first photo there are collective farmers from Turkmenistan, in the second - from Uzbekistan.
    Firstly, not collective farmers, but collective farmers.
    Uzbeks traditionally wore turbans.
    1. 0
      3 March 2024 19: 28
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: Dekabrist
      In the first photo there are collective farmers from Turkmenistan, in the second - from Uzbekistan.
      Firstly, not collective farmers, but collective farmers.
      Uzbeks traditionally wore turbans.

      How do you know that the picture is Uzbek? More like a Turk...
  18. +3
    3 March 2024 17: 57
    Quote: kalibr
    And in the publishing house "Prosveshcheniye"? "Polygon", "Osprey Publishing", "Dream", "Lomonosov", Eksmo, Rosman... there is more, but I don't remember...
    Yes, even GosPolitIzdat. Do you know how much nonsense came out of this publishing house? fool
    But with the collapse of the USSR, all publishing houses completely switched to commerce. Whoever brings them something that, in the opinion of the publishers, “people will eat”—that’s what they publish. sad
    1. 0
      3 March 2024 19: 03
      Quote: Seal
      But with the collapse of the USSR, all publishing houses completely switched to commerce.

      Well, the Enlightenment published me even before the collapse of the USSR. And with circulations of 500.
    2. +1
      3 March 2024 19: 24
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: kalibr
      And in the publishing house "Prosveshcheniye"? "Polygon", "Osprey Publishing", "Dream", "Lomonosov", Eksmo, Rosman... there is more, but I don't remember...
      Yes, even GosPolitIzdat. Do you know how much nonsense came out of this publishing house? fool
      But with the collapse of the USSR, all publishing houses completely switched to commerce. Whoever brings them something that, in the opinion of the publishers, “people will eat”—that’s what they publish. sad

      To listen to you, everywhere and everyone publishes the same nonsense. And only you alone have been given some revelation to see the truth. Or you have written and published so many books that you know everything about it. In fact, you feed on fables just like any other people, you just dismiss some and not others. But this is stupid. Besides, you know nothing about the commercial side of book publishing today. The fact is that if you work in a higher school, then every 5 years you are re-elected through a competition. So, in order to be re-elected, it’s not enough to teach classes. You also need to have a high rating. And it is collected from the number of articles, textbooks and grants over these 5 years. That is, you simply have to write some kind of book and submit it for a grant from the Russian Academy of Sciences (the Russian Foundation for Humanities or the Russian Foundation for Basic Research - you can find it on the Internet). Otherwise, they will “scold you” and... they may get a ride in the competition. But the carrot is good - a grant of 300-500 thousand rubles is not a bad thing. But in this case, your book undergoes the most severe review. In Russia people are reluctant to part with money. My books were reviewed, for example, by the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and very carefully. It’s easier not to give money than to give it. But the grant and then the fee for the book are cool. And to write a book for a publishing house with a grant from the Russian Humanitarian Foundation, that’s also cool. So commerce - yes, but many books are checked by the good. Cleaner than they tested in the USSR.
      1. +3
        3 March 2024 23: 50
        Quote: kalibr
        Listen to you.
        ,
        Quote: kalibr
        And only you alone have been given some kind of revelation to see the truth...

        Quote: kalibr
        Or you have written and published so many books that you know everything about it. .

        Quote: kalibr
        In fact, you also feed on fables.

        Quote: kalibr
        Besides, you know nothing about the commercial side of book publishing today.

        Wow, so many personal attacks on me.
        I repeat. I didn't come up with anything myself. I just modestly added my voice to the voices of the smartest people who spoke about the quality of History.
        I repeat again.

        "God cannot change the past, but historians can. And it must be precisely because sometimes they provide this service that God tolerates their existence."
        Samuel Butler

        “History has been rewritten to such a state that even historians themselves are at a loss about what the word “history” means.
        David Bowie


        “History lacks the main feature of science, the subordination of known facts... It represents knowledge, not science.”
        Arthur Schopenhauer

        “History has the same relation to truth as theology has to faith, namely, nothing.”
        Robert Heinlein


        Perhaps a more accurate description of what never happened is the historian's inalienable privilege and specialty.
        Oscar Wilde


        History is the quintessence of gossip.
        Thomas Carlyle

        Our entire history is a fiction that everyone agrees with.
        Вольтер

        History is just a fable accepted by everyone.
        B. Fontenel

        A brilliant story is rarely completely true. S. Johnson

        There are many pages in the history of any nation that would be magnificent if they were true.
        D. Didro

        If you remove all the lies from history, this does not mean at all that only the truth will remain - as a result, there may be nothing left at all.
        Stanislav E. Lec

        The information that the ancients did not have was very extensive.
        Mark Twain

        History is the product of the secretions of the glands of a million historians.
        John Steinbeck

        Everything is in the hands of the Lord, and only History has escaped His control.
        Zbigniew Hedgehog

        No one has changed the history of mankind like historians.
        E. Mackenzie

        History is too serious a matter to be left to historians.
        Ian McLeod
        1. 0
          4 March 2024 07: 07
          [quote=Seal][quote=kalibr]Listen to you.[/quote],

          Thanks for the links. The very fact that you looked for them, copied and read them suggests that... a person can be forced to do a lot. Without even seeing him. But the main thing is to increase his intellectual level. But... All these people had no idea about modern methods of historical research. Therefore, their opinion is indifferent to me.
      2. +2
        3 March 2024 23: 53
        Quote: kalibr
        To listen to you, everywhere and everyone publishes the same nonsense.
        Read Anatole France more often.
        https://www.litres.ru/book/anatol-frans/ostrov-pingvinov-63918547/chitat-onlayn/

        With all the variety of entertainment that seems to occupy me, my life is devoted to only one subject. All of it serves undividedly the fulfillment of a great task: I am compiling a history of penguins. And I work hard, despite the difficulties that constantly arise, sometimes insurmountable.

        I carried out excavations, extracting from the ground the ancient monuments of this people. Stones were the first books of mankind. I studied the stones, which represent, as it were, the initial chronicle of penguins. On the ocean shore I dug up an ancient mound that had not yet been touched by anyone; I found in it, as usually happens, stone axes, bronze swords, Roman coins, and also a coin of twenty sous, with the image of the French king Louis Philippe the First.

        As for historical times, here I was greatly helped by the chronicle of John Talpa, a monk of the Bergardine monastery. I drew a wealth of information from it, all the more important since we still do not have other sources on the history of the Penguin early Middle Ages.

        Continued below.
      3. +3
        3 March 2024 23: 56
        Continued from Anatole France.

        Starting from the 13th century, there is already richer material - richer, but also more unstable. Writing history is an extremely difficult task. You never know for sure how everything happened, and the more documents, the more difficulties for the historian. When only one single evidence of a certain fact has been preserved, we establish it without much hesitation. Indecision arises only when there are two or more pieces of evidence about an event, since they always contradict one another and cannot be reconciled.

        Of course, the preference for one or another historical evidence over all others often rests on a solid scientific basis. But it is never strong enough to resist our passions, our prejudices and our interests, or to prevent the frivolity which is common to all serious men. That is why we constantly depict events either biased or too freely.

        I have repeatedly discussed the difficulties that arose in compiling the history of penguins with archaeologists and paleographers, both penguin and foreign. But he evoked nothing but contempt. They looked at me with a compassionate smile, in which one could clearly read: “Do we historians write history? Do we strive to extract at least a grain of life or truth from a text, from a document? We simply, without further ado, publish texts. We stick to the letter in everything. Only the letter has certainty and certainty. These qualities are inaccessible to the spirit: to think means to fantasize. Only empty people can write history: it requires imagination.”

        I read all this in the eyes and smiles of our famous paleographers, and the conversation with them deeply discouraged me. But one day, after a conversation with one of the luminaries of sigillography, which plunged me into complete despondency, the following thought suddenly occurred to me: “However, historians exist, after all, this breed of people has not completely evolved! There are five or six of them preserved in the Academy of Moral Sciences. They don't publish texts - they write history. They won’t tell me that only empty people are capable of this kind of activity.”

        And I perked up.

      4. +3
        3 March 2024 23: 58
        Ending.
        The next morning, as they usually say (or the next morning, as one should say), I went to one of them, a man of advanced years and a subtle mind.

        - Your Majesty! I told him. “I ask you to help me with your enlightened advice.” I put all my strength into making a story, but nothing works out for me!

        He shrugged his shoulders.

        - Why, my dear, bother yourself so much with compiling a historical work, when you can simply copy the most famous ones available, as is customary? After all, if you express a new point of view, some original thought, if you portray people and circumstances in some unexpected light, you will surprise the reader. And the reader does not like to be surprised. In history he looks only for nonsense that has long been known to him. Trying to teach the reader something will only offend and anger him. Don't try to educate him, he will scream that you are insulting his beliefs. Historians rewrite each other. In this way, they save themselves from unnecessary work and from accusations of arrogance. Follow their example, don't be original. An original-minded historian evokes universal distrust, contempt and disgust. “Do you really think, sir,” added my interlocutor, “that I would have achieved such recognition and honor if I had introduced some innovations into my historical books?” Well, what is innovation? Insolence - and nothing more!
        He got up. I thanked him for his kind welcome and went to the door. He called out to me:

        - Two more words. If you want your book to be well received, do not miss the slightest opportunity in it to glorify the virtues that form the basis of every society: the reverence of wealth, piety and especially the humility of the poor, this cornerstone of social order. Assure your readers that the origins of property, the nobility and the gendarmerie will be treated with due respect in your work. Warn that you allow the possibility of supernatural forces interfering in the course of the historical process. Under these conditions, you will achieve success with a well-meaning public.
        I thought through these reasonable instructions and began to be fully guided by them in my work.


        And since then nothing has changed.
        1. 0
          4 March 2024 07: 13
          Anatole Franz - lived from 1844 to October 12, 1924... At that time, both archeology and history as a science were in their infancy. X-ray imaging has just appeared. No one could even think about genetic analysis of the dental tissue of mummies. Spectral analysis was also not used in the study of artifacts. There is no need to refer to the opinions of people of the past, Sergei Petrovich, even famous ones. Live today. So I don’t give a damn about their opinions either, sorry.
          1. 0
            4 March 2024 22: 17
            Quote: kalibr
            Anatole Franz - lived from 1844 to October 12, 1924... At that time, both archeology and history as a science were in their infancy. X-ray imaging has just appeared. No one could even think about genetic analysis of the dental tissue of mummies. Spectral analysis was also not used in the study of artifacts. There is no need to refer to the opinions of people of the past, Sergei Petrovich, even famous ones. Live today. So I don’t give a damn about their opinions either, sorry.
            My God and this man calls others stupid laughing laughing laughing
            Again. Finally, understand that History is not a science. Because it does not meet the basic criteria of scientificity. History is an ersatz science, or as it is customary to call such “sciences” as History, Political Economy, Scientific Communism, Atheism, Theology, Dianetics and so on - “Social Science”. laughing
            By the end of Anatole France’s life, the current version of history, well, let’s say the official version of the History of the Old World, was 99,99% complete.
            The Hittites and Sumerians, without whom history until the mid-19th century managed just fine, were even introduced into it. So what difference does it make?
            X-ray just appeared. About genetic analysis of mummies' dental tissue no one could have thought of it. Spectral analysis in the study of artifacts too not applied.
            if with their appearance in the official version of the History of the Old World, absolutely nothing fundamentally changed??? Moreover, it has not changed not only at the strategic level, but also at the operational level. There are only tactical mini-changes that do not fundamentally change anything.
            And what’s funny is that now the official version of History in the period from the 15th to the 19th centuries was created by your standards exclusively by amateurs. Since none of them had a diploma in history education. So, what do those who are proud of their diplomas in “historical education” and all sorts of candidates and doctors of historical “sciences” actually study? Because they have memorized well (these are simply certified historians), very well (these are candidates of historical “sciences”) and super-well (these are doctors of historical “sciences”) what amateurs have been inventing for them for 300-400 years. Moreover, the chronology of the now official version of history was invented by amateur numerologists based on numerology. hi
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              5 March 2024 06: 42
              Quote: Seal
              History is not science.

              Well, I've met quite a few of these "subverters". But who are they themselves? Therefore, their opinion is worth absolutely nothing. Recently a dog barked at me on the street. Something got into her stupid dog head... He looked at her and moved on...
              1. +1
                5 March 2024 21: 37
                Quote: kalibr
                Well, I've met quite a few of these "subverters". But who are they themselves? Therefore, their opinion is worth absolutely nothing. Recently a dog barked at me on the street. Something got into her stupid dog head... He looked at her and moved on...

                Let me remind you who this narcissistic type associates with yard dogs.

                "God cannot change the past, but historians can. And it must be precisely because they sometimes provide this service that God tolerates their existence.".
                Samuel Butler

                History has been rewritten to such a state that even historians themselves are at a loss about what the word “history” means.
                David Bowie

                History lacks the main feature of science, the subordination of known facts... It represents knowledge, not science.
                Arthur Schopenhauer

                History has the same relation to truth as theology has to faith, namely, nothing.
                Robert Heinlein

                Perhaps a more accurate description of what never happened is the historian's inalienable privilege and specialty.
                Oscar Wilde

                History is the quintessence of gossip.
                Thomas Carlyle

                Our entire history is a fiction that everyone agrees with.
                Вольтер

                History is just a fable accepted by everyone.
                B. Fontenel

                There are many pages in the history of any nation that would be magnificent if they were true.
                D. Didro

                If you remove all the lies from history, this does not mean at all that only the truth will remain - as a result, there may be nothing left at all.
                Stanislav E. Lec

                The information that the ancients did not have was very extensive.
                Mark Twain

                History is the product of the secretions of the glands of a million historians.
                John Steinbeck

                Everything is in the hands of the Lord, and only History has escaped His control.
                Zbigniew Hedgehog

                No one has changed the history of mankind like historians.
                E. Mackenzie

                History is too serious a matter to be left to historians.
                Ian McLeod
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                  5 March 2024 21: 54
                  [quote=Seal][quote=kalibr]Well, I’ve met quite a few of these “subverters.” But who are they themselves? Therefore, their opinion is worth absolutely nothing. Recently a dog barked at me on the street. Something got into her stupid dog head... Looked at her and moved on...[/quote]
                  Let me remind you who this narcissistic type associates with yard dogs.

                  Phew, how went! Some foreigners, and even Poles and all sorts of bastards like the homo Oscar! If only they named one of our Russian authorities... It’s indecent... So screw them too! The corrupted West and its representatives are not a decree for us. By the way, why are you twitching like that? You won’t convince me of anything anyway, and we’ve already earned more than 100 clicks, so you’re trying in vain...
                  1. +1
                    10 March 2024 18: 57
                    [quote=kalibr][quote=Seal][quote=kalibr]Well, I’ve met quite a few of these “subverters.” But who are they themselves? Therefore, their opinion is worth absolutely nothing. Recently a dog barked at me on the street. Something got into her stupid dog head... Looked at her and moved on...[/quote]
                    Let me remind you who this narcissistic type associates with yard dogs.

                    Phew, how went! Some foreigners, and even Poles and all sorts of bastards like homo Oscar! If only they named one of our Russian authorities... It’s indecent... So screw them too! The corrupted West and its representatives are not a decree for us. By the way, why are you twitching like that? You won’t convince me of anything anyway, and we’ve already earned more than 100 clicks, so you’re trying in vain...[/quote]
                    This is just good. If someone wants to know whether History is a science, he will type this question on the Internet, and the Internet will lead him here. The more clicks, the faster it will lead wink

                    Oh oh oh. So the facts. Try to challenge them.
                    1. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively on the basis of narrative literature, that is, fiction, including religious literature (the Bible). There are no earlier documentary sources, well, there will be a reserve, from the 13th century AD at all.
                    2. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively by amateurs who do not even have a moderate historical education, not to mention diplomas in historians.
                    3. All so-called "scientific methods of evidence" arose AFTER the widespread dissemination of the official version of history. And therefore, they themselves did not play any role in the formation of the now official version of history.
                    That's enough for now.
                    So ?
  19. +2
    3 March 2024 20: 58
    Quote: ROSS 42

    We will not know for certain what happened there at the ancient Egyptian construction sites.

    We know exactly what happened to the builders after death.
    They were buried with dignity.
    Moreover, traces of medical care were found in many of the deceased.
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      4 March 2024 07: 15
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      We know exactly what happened to the builders after death.
      They were buried with dignity.
      Moreover, traces of medical care were found in many of the deceased.

      What are you writing? All mummies in Egypt are fake. ALL mummies! And people and cats, and all other animals. And historians hide this in order to make money...
  20. BAI
    +2
    3 March 2024 21: 52
    “stones” are also produced by this Hong Kong company! Take them and combine them with stonemasons, and here you have a ready-made diorama from Egyptian history
  21. +3
    3 March 2024 23: 45
    Quote: kalibr
    How do you know that the picture is Uzbek? More like a Turk...
    What, they banned you from Google and Yandex?
    Man from Bukhara Uzbekistan in 19th century. Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan clothing, Costumes.
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  22. +1
    4 March 2024 10: 58
    Thanks to the Author, interesting as always.

    The topic of clothing is also interesting from the fact that I would simply burn in the sun in 2 hours, and without a hat I would get sunstroke - or heatstroke, I don’t know which one is first.

    That is, these were not “white people” whom the sun would kill in half a day.
  23. 0
    4 March 2024 21: 06
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Who is talking about what, and the bald man is talking about a comb...
    Well, yes. That's why I highlighted this quote...I don't remember who. hi
  24. 0
    4 March 2024 21: 45
    Quote: kalibr
    And you are stupid, oh stupid. I specifically wrote this to show that you, just like me and everyone else, take information from books. You don’t trust only my links and captions under the photos, but you trust completely the ones you found. You don’t need to fall into such traps if you want to show everyone your high intelligence! By the way, why did you write two articles on VO? What's the use of them? But they wrote it... so it was necessary. And, by the way, for some reason they went into the alternative, although it’s impossible to think of anything more stupid than this, since it is impossible to foresee all the twists of fate. But now you should write a third one. About fake papyri. Moreover, you and I have fertilized the “soil” of the information field very well, so your article with reference to this controversy will be very appropriate. Well, don’t pee in the compote, just go ahead and write, everyone will thank you.
    When you wrote about stupid things, you probably shaved, right? And they saw their reflection in the mirror. Not probably, but definitely lol
    This lithograph, in which you mistook an Uzbek for a Turk, was made quite recently by historical standards, literally yesterday. Lithograph taken from Mercier Book auther: Heinrich Berghaus (1797-1884). NYPL Digital Gallery Source: Die Völker des Erdballs : nach ihrer Abstammung und Verwandtschaft, und ihren Eigenthümlichkeiten in Regierungsform, Religion, Sitte und Tracht. (Leipzig: Muquardt, 1845-1847) Digital ID: 827583 (author of the book: Heinrich Berghaus (1797-1884). Digital gallery of New York Source: Peoples of the globe: by origin and kinship, as well as by features of governance, religion, customs and costumes (Leipzig: Mückwardt, 1845–1847) Digital ID: 827583).
    You are trying to put on the same level completely modern lithographs and photographs of super-ancient paintings, the authors of which are unknown or fictitious. This is stupidity. Or better yet, arrogance. So, if you have driven anyone into a trap, then only yourself, your loved one. hi
    But here you are outright lying.
    And, by the way, for some reason they went into the alternative,
    am Show me at least one comment in which I build something alternative to the current official version of history.
    I have not built, am not building, and do not intend to build any alternative versions. I understand perfectly well that all the structures will still be built on sand. Because there is not and cannot be a documentary basis. And without a documentary basis, any calculations are fantasy. I am quite satisfied with the recognition of the fact that at the current level of development of natural sciences, it is impossible to even approximately know what and how it was there before the 10th century AD. So, I don't build alternative versions. I just demand that the authors of articles about something ancient present normal evidence of what the authors write about. On threads about Ancient Egypt, accordingly, I demand the presentation of real evidence from you, as from the author. You, realizing that you are not able to provide anything real, begin to be hysterical, lie, call names... in short, turn to personal insults.
    1. 0
      5 March 2024 22: 18
      Quote: Seal
      you start to get hysterical

      Judging by the volume of your comments, it is you who are hysterical, not me. I simply call a spade a spade: I see an ignoramus and say “ignoramus.” I see - an everyday word meaning... well, it’s clear who - so I say who I see. I have every right to do this as a specialist. And personal insults... Just think. I grew up on Proletarskaya Street. They didn't bend it that way there either. Your Anatole France never dreamed of it. And the evidence is right under your nose, you just don’t want to see it. In every article. That's all.
      1. +1
        10 March 2024 18: 51
        Oh oh oh. So the facts. Try to challenge them.
        1. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively on the basis of narrative literature, that is, fiction, including religious literature (the Bible). There are no earlier documentary sources, well, there will be a reserve, from the 13th century AD at all.
        2. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively by amateurs who do not even have a moderate historical education, not to mention diplomas in historians.
        3. All so-called "scientific methods of evidence" arose AFTER the widespread dissemination of the official version of history. And therefore, they themselves did not play any role in the formation of the now official version of history.
        That's enough for now.
        So ?
        1. 0
          10 March 2024 18: 57
          Quote: Seal
          Oh oh oh. So the facts. Try to challenge them.
          1. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively on the basis of narrative literature, that is, fiction, including religious literature (the Bible). There are no earlier documentary sources, well, there will be a reserve, from the 13th century AD at all.
          2. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively by amateurs who do not even have a moderate historical education, not to mention diplomas in historians.
          3. All so-called "scientific methods of evidence" arose AFTER the widespread dissemination of the official version of history. And therefore, they themselves did not play any role in the formation of the now official version of history.
          That's enough for now.
          So ?

          No way! I cannot give you a course of lectures here either on source studies or on methods of scientific research. Therefore, it is useless for me to prove anything to you. I can only tell you an example from my own life. In 1968, I read an article in T-M about aliens on earth and their traces and understood the “truth”. And he became an adept. And then the novel "The Faetians" was added. And so much so that I gave lectures through the Komsomol OK about the same thing as what you write. But then I got an education, defended my dissertation, read a lot of books, and wrote a lot of my own. and I realized that this was bullshit. You are apparently at the beginning of this journey. That’s why I suggested you write an article on VO. Neophytes often do this well. That's all. All the best!
  25. 0
    4 March 2024 22: 29
    Quote: kalibr
    All these people had no idea about modern methods of historical research. Therefore, their opinion is indifferent to me.

    Quote: kalibr
    Anatol Franz - lived from 1844 to October 12, 1924... At that time, both archeology and history as a science were in their infancy. X-ray imaging has just appeared. No one could even think about genetic analysis of the dental tissue of mummies. Spectral analysis was also not used in the study of artifacts. There is no need to refer to the opinions of people of the past, Sergei Petrovich, even famous ones. Live today. So I don’t give a damn about their opinions either, sorry..

    My God and this man calls others stupid laughing laughing laughing
    Again. Finally, understand that History is not a science. Because it does not meet the basic criteria of scientificity. History is an ersatz science, or as it is customary to call such “sciences” as History, Political Economy, Scientific Communism, Atheism, Theology, Dianetics and so on - “Social Science”. wink
    By the end of Anatole France’s life, the current version of history, well, let’s say the official version of the History of the Old World, was 99,99% complete.
    The Hittites and Sumerians, without whom history until the mid-19th century managed just fine, were even introduced into it. So what difference does it make?
    X-ray just appeared. About genetic analysis of mummies' dental tissue no one could have thought of it. Spectral analysis in the study of artifacts too not applied.
    if with their appearance in the official version of the History of the Old World, absolutely nothing fundamentally changed?!!!
    Moreover, it has not changed not only at the strategic level, but also at the operational level. And on the operational-tactical level. In the official version of history, in addition to everything you listed, there were only tactical or, better to say, cosmetic mini-changes that did not fundamentally change anything.
    And what’s funny is that now the official version of History in the period from the 15th to the 19th centuries was created by your standards exclusively by amateurs. Since none of them had a diploma in history education. So, what do those who are proud of their diplomas in “historical education” and all sorts of candidates and doctors of historical “sciences” actually study? Because they have memorized well (these are simply certified historians), very well (these are candidates of historical “sciences”) and super-well (these are doctors of historical “sciences”) what amateurs have been inventing for them for 300-400 years. Moreover, the chronology of the now official version of history was invented by amateur numerologists based on numerology. hi
    It is clear that people like you don’t care about anyone who doesn’t agree with your only correct opinion.
    And it doesn't matter who disagrees with you. Even me, even Voltaire, even Diderot. You spit on everyone. And even be proud of your spitting. am
    1. 0
      5 March 2024 06: 51
      Quote: Seal
      You spit on everyone. And even be proud of your spitting.

      Certainly! After all, the entire world around me is a complex of my sensations and... the fantasy of my brain. Well, he wanted it that way... Therefore, the only thing that matters is what I think. Without me, the Universe will perish.
      Quote: Seal
      Voltaire, even Diderot
      . They were also wrong about something. Not the gods... As for you personally, then, firstly, you cannot prohibit a person, say, a tractor driver or a retired company commander, from being interested in history and understanding it in his own way. And secondly, thank you for your many comments. Thanks to them, the article received a lot of clicks, which is useful for both me and the site.
      1. 0
        5 March 2024 09: 48
        “Of course! After all, the whole world around me is a complex of my sensations and... the fantasy of my brain. Well, he wanted it that way... Therefore, only what I think matters. Without me, the Universe will perish.”

        On the one hand, of course, this is how it is, but on the other hand, there is more Universe, less Universe :)
        1. 0
          5 March 2024 15: 09
          Quote: S.Z.
          but on the other hand - there is more Universe, there is less Universe

          + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
      2. +1
        5 March 2024 21: 31
        Quote: kalibr
        They were also wrong about something. Not the gods... As for you personally, then, firstly, you cannot prohibit a person, say, a tractor driver or a retired company commander, from being interested in history and understanding it in his own way.
        And this idle talk, including about the fantasies of your brain, you have only because to obscure the issue of presenting evidence. Because you don't have them. Why not ? Because the writers of History did not care about evidence. And you are forced to take everything on faith. And as a true believer in history, you defend it with the tenacity of a religious fanatic. And not only figuratively, but also literally.
        After all, the official version of History is based on the Bible (Old Testament). The Old Testament contains a prophecy of a certain prophet Daniel. According to Daniel, the entire course of world history was divided into five kingdoms.

        “You (Nebuchadnezzar) are the golden head (the first kingdom)! After you, another kingdom will arise, lower than yours, and another third kingdom, of copper, which will rule over the whole earth. And the fourth kingdom will be strong as iron; for just as iron breaks and crushes everything, so it, like all-crushing iron, will crush and crush... The God of heaven will erect a kingdom (fifth), which will never be destroyed, and this kingdom will not be transferred to another people; it will crush and destroy all kingdoms, and itself will stand forever.”

        Daniel 2.31-46. Daniel 7.1-28

        The four kingdoms were interpreted by the Vatican as: Assyro-Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greco-Macedonian and Roman. By the way, a similar interpretation of the four kingdoms is still used in Christian theology. See God's Law. M. 2000, p. 235.

        It is on this concept that the entire edifice of human history is built. Moreover, it was built exclusively by amateurs. Since none of them had a diploma in history education. So, what do those who are proud of their diplomas in “historical education” and all sorts of candidates and doctors of historical “sciences” actually study? Because they have memorized well (these are simply certified historians), very well (these are candidates of historical “sciences”) and super-well (these are doctors of historical “sciences”) what amateurs have been inventing for them for 300-400 years. Moreover, the chronology of the now official version of history was invented by amateur numerologists based on numerology.
        And no matter how you spin, this is exactly the case. hi
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          5 March 2024 22: 06
          You've already done your job, thank you! Calm down, otherwise our memory on our website will soon be overflowing with your huge comments. It needs to be shorter and more informative. Or better yet, write an article. Otherwise, you are enough for half a page of comments, but for some reason not for an article. People might think bad things...
          1. +1
            10 March 2024 11: 59
            first work, then fun

            Yes, when it was then - now it’s all “buy and sell” and fun, because “the work makes the horses die,” but the results are obvious, that is, all over your face and you begin to respect dogs and cats more than people!
          2. +1
            10 March 2024 18: 51
            Oh oh oh. So the facts. Try to challenge them.
            1. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively on the basis of narrative literature, that is, fiction, including religious literature (the Bible). There are no earlier documentary sources, well, there will be a reserve, from the 13th century AD at all.
            2. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively by amateurs who do not even have a moderate historical education, not to mention diplomas in historians.
            3. All so-called "scientific methods of evidence" arose AFTER the widespread dissemination of the official version of history. And therefore, they themselves did not play any role in the formation of the now official version of history.
            That's enough for now.
            So ?
  26. 0
    6 March 2024 12: 11
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Tolstoy about Venus --- "Blue Star"

    Did A. Tolstoy have this?
  27. +1
    10 March 2024 18: 59
    Quote: kalibr
    No way! I cannot give you a course of lectures here either on source studies or on methods of scientific research.
    I hope you can see how Nick Caliber avoids answering the simplest questions.
    I will repeat them.
    Here are the facts. Try to challenge them.
    1. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively on the basis of narrative literature, that is, fiction, including religious literature (the Bible). There are no earlier documentary sources, well, there will be a reserve, from the 13th century AD at all.
    2. Nowadays, the official version of history was created exclusively by amateurs who did not even have a secondary historical education, not to mention diplomas in historians.
    3. All so-called "scientific methods of evidence" arose AFTER the widespread dissemination of the official version of history. And therefore, they themselves did not play any role in the formation of the now official version of history.
    1. 0
      10 March 2024 19: 16
      Quote: Seal
      I hope you can see how Nick Caliber avoids answering the simplest questions.

      I'm not shying away, but I just don't see the point in answering them. This situation is similar to when a child asks simple questions in the sandbox - why is the car moving? Then dad turns the steering wheel. It’s time to give him a lecture about Carnot’s principle and tell him about the operation of internal combustion engines... But I will repeat for the umpteenth time: if you know everything so well, write about it, introduce the broad masses of VO readers to your point of view..
      1. +1
        10 March 2024 19: 46
        Quote: kalibr
        If you know everything so well, write about it, introduce the broad masses of VO readers to your point of view..
        A. What, am I expressing myself unclearly?
        Here's my point. And not only mine. More precisely, it is not mine, but I share it. I already showed you whose list it is.

        1. History is not a science, since it does not satisfy the most important criteria for being scientific.
        2. Nowadays, the official version of history was created in Europe exclusively on the basis of narrative, that is, fiction, including religious literature (the Bible).
        3. There are no earlier documentary sources, well, there will be a reserve, there are no 13th century AD at all. And without documents, as Sh.-V. convincingly proved. Langlois (1863–1929) – medievalist historian, professor at the Sorbonne, holder of a diploma from the National School of Charters, director of the National Archives (1912–1929), member (since 1917), then president (since 1925) of the Academy of Inscriptions and Fine Letters . C. Senyobos (1854–1942) – professor at the Sorbonne (1890), began his research activities with the study of ancient and medieval history, later specialized in modern history, author of the work “Political History of Modern Europe” (1897) - no History.
        "Introduction to the Study of History" begins with a formula that over time has become an aphorism:
        History is written according to documents. Documents are traces left by the thoughts and actions of people who once lived <…>. Every thought and every deed that has not left a direct or indirect trace, or whose visible trace has disappeared, is forever lost to history, as if it had never existed <…>. Nothing can replace documents: there are none, there is no history

        4. Nowadays, the official version of history was created in the period from the 16th century to the beginning of the 19th century exclusively by amateurs who did not even have a secondary historical education, not to mention diplomas in historians.
        5. All so-called "scientific methods of evidence" arose AFTER the widespread dissemination of the official version of history. And therefore, they themselves did not play any role in the formation of the now official version of history. But they ensured adjustment to a previously known answer wink
        6. History has a huge number of fakes. However, the exposure of these fakes is growing every year. I have already spoken about papyrus. The so-called “Dead Sea Scrolls” are also recognized as fakes. And that's all. So there is hope. Moreover, China has already begun to revise the version of history imposed on it by the Vatican, in which it was allegedly captured by the “Mongols.” No longer captured hi
        1. 0
          10 March 2024 21: 00
          [quote=Seal][quote=kalibr]if you know everything so well - write about it, introduce the broad masses of VO readers to your point of view..[/quote] A. what, am I expressing myself unclearly?
          Here's my point. And not only mine. More precisely, it is not mine, but I share it. I already showed you whose list it is.
          Once again, hopefully for the last time. I don't need any theses. Put it in article form. Offer it to the site administration. It won't require a lot of effort from you. I don't have time to deal with you. Finish the history department, defend your candidate's thesis, then your doctorate, then write a couple of hundred articles and a dozen monographs where all this is discussed and proven. Then perhaps we can talk about this topic in detail. You can start right now, but I urge you to start with our Russian historians. From the same Klyuchevsky, who paid exceptional attention to documents.
          1. +1
            10 March 2024 21: 35
            Quote: kalibr
            Finish the history department, defend your candidate's thesis, then your doctorate, then write a couple of hundred articles and a dozen monographs where all this is discussed and proven. Then perhaps we can talk about this topic in detail. You can start right now, but I urge you to start with our Russian historians. From the same Klyuchevsky, who paid exceptional attention to documents.
            Excuse me, do you really not understand what they are telling you or are you pretending to be? Or is this your way of self-defense in a hopeless situation?
            Klyuchevsky? I read it when I was young. And why Klyuchevsky? Did he really discover something fundamentally new that Karamzin, for example, would not have touched on? And Karamzin, in turn, just colored with all the colors of the rainbow of his eloquence the outline of Russian History that Catherine II outlined.
            So maybe it would be better to go straight to Innocent Gisel? hi
            But let's return to Klyuchevsky. If we look at the historical “works” of Klyuchevsky, including his lectures, we will not see a single lithograph of a single ancient document anywhere. Klyuchevsky about documents only is talking. And then only starting from the 16th century. Like for example
            According to the discharge book of the Polotsk campaign of 1563, the army that the king led with him to this city numbered over 30 thousand fighting people.

            Therefore, you would be blown away, eh? Otherwise, by golly, it’s just funny to look at your strained attempts to look smart wink
            Yes, and about the history department. If I had gone to the history department at one time, then, alas, I would most likely have been brainwashed just as thoroughly as yours. crying Well, or they would have kicked me out from the second year when I started asking the teachers uncomfortable questions. So, keep your history department to yourself. Moreover, as I have already noted many times, students of all kinds of history departments for more than 150 years have simply been stupidly memorizing everything that, in the period from the 16th century to the beginning of the 19th century, was invented by amateurs who did not have historical diplomas. Oh, yes, it goes without saying that they memorize for a reason, but being confident that all sorts of so-called “modern scientific methods” have completely confirmed all the nonsense that amateurs invented in the period from the 16th century to the beginning of the 19th century laughing