Türkiye and secondary sanctions. About what we still have to experience in trading

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Türkiye and secondary sanctions. About what we still have to experience in trading

We went in February news that some Chinese financial institutions, as well as a number of suppliers, began to either stop payments and deliveries or seriously slow them down.

This process in reality was not so large-scale, but some financial institutions that stopped payments have the status of quite serious operators, like Chouzhou Commercial Bank, and this signal made many in Russia think.



A week later, similar news came from the western direction - from Turkey. The problem here was generally expected (the tightening of work on transactions related to Russia has been going on since December), but the scale turned out to be greater than that of China. We are no longer talking about individual, albeit large, operators, but about the payment system as a whole. And for both individuals and legal entities.

The situation in this direction is very unpleasant and quite sensitive, since, despite all the difficulties, Turkey still remains one of the two main channels (together with China) for import needs, including “parallel” ones.

This is a daunting task. And specifically in the sector of equipment, electronics and high technology. It is still much easier for raw material producers to “confuse schemes”. Here, both a change in the approaches of logisticians and a change in approaches on the part of the state will be necessary. The sooner this is realized, the better.

Just taking the example “from Turkey to Pakistan” is not as simple as it might seem from the outside. For at least six months you will have to build relationships, study, find a common language, get used to the peculiarities of other financial and customs systems, and stumble over pitfalls. And at the same time, incur considerable expenses, lose money on inevitable mistakes - resources that will need to be found somewhere else and justify the need for spending for the investor.

At the same time, you will have client obligations, contracts, prepayments, and responsibility for current deliveries. In fact, “opening up” a new direction in logistics is equivalent to creating a new business.

Operators prefer to squeeze out the maximum that is possible from the direction in which they work. And so story with Turkey just gives us the opportunity to look at where this maximum is located. We are often told that “the West has reached the limit of sanctions,” but is this true?

It is impossible to consider the Turkish direction in exactly the same way as the Chinese one. They are still different, since Turkey, one of the regional countries close to the EU, has special modes of interaction with Europe in terms of foreign trade, which are in many ways similar to our relations within the EAEU.

This is the level of a full-fledged customs union with a number of ensuing mutual obligations. But it will be possible to identify both common features and threats for China and Turkey, as well as specific features and threats.

Moreover, since August last year, Ankara has been negotiating with the EU on deepening and expanding the customs union - in fact, on its reformatting.

“We will discuss this with our teams after the summer and see if it is possible to use these new signals from Turkey,”

- said then P. Gentiloni, head of the European Commission for Economic Affairs. What are these new signals? Some of them were discussed in the materials.

Turkey accepted the inevitable in the summer - it is part of the Eurozone value cluster with all the ensuing difficulties, but also bonuses in the form of a pool of investment funds that entered there in the fall, direct investments and even new aircraft. NATO, the “Azovites”, about whom so much was written in the summer, etc., are only part of a larger model.

These are no longer hypothetical forecasts, but a fact, and conversations in our media - such as those that, they say, Turkey, because of its problems, will almost join the Eurasian Union after a while - only do harm.

After all, once it comes in, then why should logisticians build new channels? They just need to be patient and wait until it comes in, and squeeze the maximum out of the existing ones. It’s better not to count on this, but to build new channels, even if it’s really expensive.

But using the example of Turkey, you can see what can be expected in countries that have a decent level of trade and customs interaction with the EU. After all, the EU has special agreements and regimes with Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, etc. Simply because Ankara will have to be the first among the neutral countries to begin implementing most of the standards.

So, what have operators been faced with, partially and now increasingly, since December? Payments are not accepted or sent.

It is impossible to say that a bank as a financial organization does not have the right to such stops. In any case, they must verify the subject of the transaction, receive confirmation of its execution or conditions of execution, verify amounts and currencies, check the recipient and sender.

The transaction verification procedure, or as it is sometimes called “bank compliance,” is largely regulated by the financial institution itself. Moreover, there are systems for exchanging such information.

A Lebanese or Israeli bank may also refuse to carry out a transaction if they suddenly decide that you are financing, for example, Hezbollah or there is simply a suspicion of this. In some places you can get away with just a letter saying you don’t know who it is or what it is, but in others you don’t. This works by exchanging data under anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism protocols.

Moreover, these protocols can be either national or bilateral, or within a system like FATF (“Financial Action Task Force on Money Laundering”).

We have written a lot about the freedom from “global hegemons” that the Chinese CIPS system will provide compared to SWIFT. However, according to the Memorandum from 2016, both systems exchange information and use each other’s resources.

This does not mean that banks and payment systems “leak everything,” but it does mean that there is an exchange of data, and how it will happen, with what frequency and depth, depends rather little on the client. These are agreements on the convenience of data exchange and the completeness of market information.

In terms of sanctions, there are also existing protocols and regulations based on the EU Security Policy (CFSP) and protocols from the notorious “Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Department of the Treasury” (OFAC). They are supplemented by a direct list of sanctioned goods and their customs codes, sanctioned organizations and their international SWIFT codes, as well as sanctioned personalities.

Now let’s consider how a “decent” bank clerk should behave, who needs to rely on all these protocols and agreements in his work when verifying the next contract and payment.

Firstly, he is obliged to request, through all available channels, the degree of intersection of all counterparties with sanctioned companies and organizations, as well as the share of participation of sanctioned persons in each chain.

As a result, a risk model “A”, “B”, “C”, etc. is built. By and large, the length of the calculation and analysis of this chain depends on the financial organization itself. They can refuse to carry out an operation if the involvement of the transaction with sanctioned persons and companies (even in the third round) of more than 25% is revealed somewhere.

At the same time, 25% is the “standard”, and the clerk and his department can use their own assessment system, in which “just in case” there may be 0%, and the client cannot do anything here, they are not even obliged to explain this to him - “internal security protocol."

But this is not the end of the process. Even with 0% coincidence, there are also recommendations for indirect signs of risk.

For example, it turns out that the company with which the Turkish supplier cooperates has never purchased microprocessors before, but pays for the purchase from an office from Dubai, which previously paid for tangerine transactions. Or in the country where microprocessors are sent, there is no production that uses them and sells products based on them to foreign markets. Why do Kyrgyzstan or Mongolia need microprocessors now?

It would seem that they buy in Bangladesh, the Arabs pay, what’s the problem? In indirect risks. Reasons for refusal fin. the organization will not explain, this is a safety decision of the control unit. As with the same Hezbollah mentioned above.

In theory, a normal bank is not very interested in such a study of such details of foreign trade transactions. This creates a load on the system, leads to a decrease in the number of operations, staff workload and loss of income from cash and cash management services.

However, in this case, OFAC simply sends out a notice that the bank, of course, can use a less in-depth analysis method, but if OFAC itself goes through the entire chain and finds the bank’s “compliance” weak and unreliable, then the bank will receive quite significant fines . At the same time, the chain itself may be completely “white”; sanctioned companies and personalities may not even appear in it.

Hence, the simplest answer from the same Turkish banking system can only be one - regardless of the customs codes in the “packages of sanctions”, it is necessary to exclude the very possibility, even the theoretical connection of the transaction and payment with Russia.

This is easier than sorting out each invoice and certificate according to customs codes, especially since there are already more than a dozen sanctions packages. And since the suppliers and buyers are known to the bank, since they have been working for years, then alas.

All of the above does not take into account the entire range of capabilities and possible dirty tricks of the system. By and large, the lion's share of the holes that we observed in the issue of implementation of sanctions is the merit of the EU control authorities and OFAC, which, being bureaucratic structures themselves, simply cannot administer this entire flow.

The author does not completely exclude the possibility that sanctions are introduced in precisely such “packages” with a limited list of goods, companies and personalities, and that it is easier for the EU control system and OFAC to process transactions in a timely manner. But the base is being developed, especially since the digitalization of processes in the field of financial control is proceeding around the world at a very decent pace. Note that each package of sanctions also includes a set of measures to “automate” them.

In this regard, it is not very far-sighted to smile at the fact that, they say, “a million sanctions do not work.” Even among logisticians one can come across the opinion that “after some time this “sanctions” will end.

It won't end. There is an old saying that the one who picks up a sword may not be a warrior, but he can no longer count on mercy. Here the sword is taken in hand, but there still seems to be no full sensation of the depth of this step. However, it would be good to be wrong in this regard.

Apparently, we should somehow understand that the holes that exist in sanctions networks are mainly the result of three factors.

A) The position of a seller who does not want to lose revenue and profit. This explains the fact that until now many manufacturers have not fully implemented patent regulations under the WTO agreements. But how long this will last is unknown, and it still depends on the degree of “greed” of the seller and manufacturer, and not the importer-buyer.

B) Bureaucracy of controllers who cannot roll out so many demands at once so as not to paralyze the work of the financial sector. But the base of solutions and supply chains is being developed every month. And you shouldn’t count on this bureaucratic machine to say “we’re tired.”

B) Some resistance at the level of IMF structures. The latter looks somewhat unusual for Russian discourse, but it is the IMF that is so far slowing down both the withdrawal of international reserves and such a thorough check of payment chains, again avoiding imbalance of the system. But this is a temporary factor, just like the other two.

All this means that even though the effect of the wave of sanctions at the moment is not very strong, we have not yet felt the real pressure of the entire system; it is a matter of time, and not the very distant one. Now the American OFAC bureaucracy is focused specifically on CNC machines, next quarter it will deal with another segment, etc.

If we are talking about full-fledged import substitution, then the deployment of production will take 6-7 years. For this period, the country should be provided with imported machine tools and components - this is not such a short period of time, quite comfortable for the Western bureaucracy to gradually patch up holes in its system, adapt its production and supply channels, among other things.

With us, no matter how you turn on the information, you’ll be lifted up, unwinding. As in slightly modified poems by V. Berestov: “What do sparrows sing about on the last day of winter: “We survived, we survived, we are alive, we are alive”" The West is falling apart, the chains of the globalists are cracking, but even if they are cracking, how does this remove the restrictions and soften the conditions written above?

It seems like every day we are told that Western elites are a pack of hyenas. And this is absolutely true. However, when declaring yourself to be a lion, you should remember that a pack of hyenas can circle around him for a long time.

Exhaust, move away, show weakness, howl in anguish that, for example, there are no shells, let the lion calm down a little and feel victory. Let them catch prey and eat.

Wait until the well-fed lion falls asleep, finish it off, and then eat both the lion and the remains of its prey. And no matter how big, strong and noble the lion is, only exceptional attention and foresight will save him from this flock. The West needs to retreat and regroup, and it does not hesitate to do this, even losing its reputation, but the sanctions regime is tightening and tightening. Databases are developed, information is analyzed, conclusions are drawn.

There have been so many discussions on the topic of payments in gold or about “golden currencies”, by the way, on our resource, but among others, there is also the content of the so-called. The “seventh package” of sanctions is a ban on the purchase, import or transfer of gold and jewelry from Russia.

That is, a European supplier from China is unlikely to be able to accept payment in Russian gold for goods made by a buyer, for example, from China. This means that not every Chinese can accept payment for Chinese goods in metal with our hallmark.

From such bricks, the West, step by step, is building a very unpleasant wall around us, and those two years, during which sanctions in the West have seemingly achieved less than we would like, are only part of a large long process. Pointing the finger at them as “insignificant” may not be superfluous in terms of information wars, but we still need to understand that we must have a completely different foreign trade infrastructure than we have today.

You open our media, and there is joy at how we have strengthened ourselves. Well, okay, but here’s the question: is our regulatory system ready to vouch for the fact that our domestic banking system with its “compliance” does not provide such information to the outside world? Are there any guarantees that should be reinforced concrete? But what about the actually open data on the Unified State Register of Legal Entities? Some information is closed separately, but a significant number of enterprises are engaged in foreign trade or cooperate with them.

Digitalization is a wonderful thing, but there are nuances. It is necessary to close internal information from the outside world, otherwise you yourself will strip down to your underpants in front of the global world. A logistician will spend a year building chains of companies, and some quasi-oppositionist from Lithuania will sit down and look at open databases - is the world open or what? Or maybe it’s not worth keeping the windows wide open for now, just leaving the vents?

Turkey is important in this regard precisely because it will have to carry out all the described procedures first, since a new stage of customs integration with the EU is underway. It is also important because Ankara and I have one of the most profound integration business models. It is important to understand this so that once again it doesn’t turn out like in I. Repin’s imperishable canvas “They Didn’t Expect.”

Instead of wondering how strong our armor is in the face of a wave of sanctions, we need to work here preventively and withdraw technological imports from this jurisdiction, while at the same time developing new logistics channels. It will not be possible to squeeze more out of Turkey than is available, but what we will certainly get is also problems with payments for the tour. sector, since the EU will simply block Turkey’s shortfall in revenue with subsidies, which is being negotiated.

As with the payment instruments discussed in the material Chinese banks and anti-Russian sanctions. Some aspects of the problem, the creation of alternative chains is not just a complication of the registration scheme, but is associated with the construction of an entire intermediate sphere of mini-productions in different countries, which will be used for multi-stage re-export. Moreover, build them in such a way that there is not a single external sign at several levels of ties with Russia.

This is a daunting task. Moreover, it is in the sector of equipment, electronics and high technologies that it is much easier for raw material producers to “confuse schemes”. Here, both a change in the approaches of logisticians and a change in approaches on the part of the state will be necessary. The sooner this is realized, the better.
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  1. +18
    26 February 2024 03: 17
    After 24 years, the tech industry could get a little scratchy. But they were scratching in the wrong places and in the wrong times.
    1. +8
      26 February 2024 05: 46
      Quote: Paul Zewike
      But they scratched in the wrong place and in the wrong place and not then
      But in my opinion, they didn’t scratch at all
      1. +12
        26 February 2024 06: 12
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Quote: Paul Zewike
        But they scratched in the wrong place and in the wrong place and not then
        But in my opinion, they didn’t scratch at all

        They were still scratching...on the ears.
      2. -1
        26 February 2024 07: 48
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Quote: Paul Zewike
        But they scratched in the wrong place and in the wrong place and not then
        But in my opinion, they didn’t scratch at all

        Just recently, the president said that he believed our “partners.” In addition, we should not forget that microelectronics was not easy to master even in Soviet times. During the years of “friendship” with the West, the process of mastering high technologies seemed to be off the agenda (they gave us almost everything we needed). You can always look for the culprits, but is it worth it? Mistakes are inevitable in any situation.
        1. +6
          26 February 2024 07: 59
          Quote: South Ukrainian
          During the years of “friendship” with the West, the process of mastering high technologies seemed to be off the agenda (they gave us almost everything we needed)

          The Jackson-Vanik Act was repealed only in 2012 and the Magnitsky Act was introduced in the same year. So, apart from chewing gum and Coca-Cola, we received nothing from our Western “friends”, except advice on what and how to do wink wink wink
          1. -1
            26 February 2024 11: 10
            After the lifting of restrictions on emigration since 1989, the United States annually imposed a moratorium on the amendment in relation to the USSR and then the CIS countries, although the amendment was not officially canceled.
      3. +6
        26 February 2024 08: 27
        But in my opinion, they didn’t scratch at all

        Well, why, they scratched and scratched with their tongues, but we are not accustomed to answer for words...
        1. +2
          27 February 2024 12: 09
          They also know how to “scratch” businesses and budgets to fill their personal pockets.
    2. 0
      3 March 2024 01: 50
      Special thanks to Chubais. How could this nit be kept in the Russian top?
  2. +5
    26 February 2024 05: 37
    From such bricks, the West is building a very unpleasant wall around us, step by step.
    For about half a year, some experts began to openly talk about the fact that sanctions began to be imposed precisely on those streams through which parallel imports were carried out. That is, sanctions are imposed on those transport companies, as well as banks in those countries that help circumvent all these sanctions. If our powers that be do not finally understand that only their own production and not fraud, supposedly everything is fine, everything is under control, then big problems await us.
    1. +10
      26 February 2024 07: 08
      If our powers that be do not fully understand...

      Our powers that be receive salaries from the powers that be in the West so as not to understand anything. Alas, one gets the feeling that they are not working for our state, but for the entire enemy world.
  3. +9
    26 February 2024 05: 39
    what else do we have to experience in trading?
    “Don’t be afraid, we won’t hurt you. Chick, and you’re already in heaven.” (c)
  4. +15
    26 February 2024 06: 37
    This bravado that sanctions and restrictions do not in any way affect the Russian economy, that the West is losing more than Russia, is empty talk.
    All processes in Russia are proceeding with difficulty, and the insatiable appetites of Russian thieves indicate that they continue to steal what, according to the constitution, belongs to the people.
    Some kind of hopelessness and desperation. Or rather, the outcome is visible - the road to the churchyard...
    1. +3
      26 February 2024 07: 42
      Yuri, this is definitely all beneficial to us - sanctions will help, foreign exchange reserves will be taken away - a victory for Eref it. etc. and not only in the economy, in war, nothing affects its course, everyone lies as if they were breathing
  5. +6
    26 February 2024 08: 46
    The sooner this is realized, the better.
    They are tormented by vague doubts that they are aware, since 1991 they have been aware... and still nothing...
  6. +4
    26 February 2024 09: 44
    One can only hope that everyone realizes this, and is working very hard somewhere under a bush, without extra eyes and ears, building exactly these diagrams-systems-chains...
    and to the public the bravura “unwind”, yes... and then the lamentation of Prigozhin’s name “give me microprocessors” (despite the fact that the real chips will quietly crawl through logistics proxy tunnels)...
    This is the view of a mega-optimist, of course...

    rather, it will be the other way around... it will “suddenly” collapse, we will heroically overcome huge losses, we will find some solutions in an emergency... alas... (
  7. +5
    26 February 2024 11: 43
    All vectors agree that we will have to develop a full-cycle microelectronics, manufacturing and pharmaceutical industries. For this to pay for itself, it would be logical for us to choose a strategy of capturing with these products those markets where the EU and the West in general are “messing up.” We are not the only ones under sanctions. Where there is the slightest slight on their part, the locals will have to appear and play on it.
    However, all this impossible without understanding the long-term nature of the confrontational course and the deepening gap with the West as a given. As long as we keep in mind the possibility of improving relations with the EU, we will not take such a line of action, a reversal in which would be extremely difficult and full of costs.
    We either need to step on it and punish our enemies through taking away their global market share as a strategy, or continue to enjoy the way they do sensitive nasty things to us with almost impunity.

    But all this, of course, is in theory. In practice, we are firmly stuck in a vicious paradigm of thinking, where bluff and imitation will again and again try to return to the “good old” times and layouts. Now, unfortunately, we are overly thinking about how to survive at this moment, but we need to think about what will happen next and how we can not just survive, waiting out the day and holding out the night, but about how we can become a country in which it will be strictly I don’t care about sanctions pressure and mouse fuss. How can we increase mass and quality, take the place in the world that we can potentially take.
    1. +3
      26 February 2024 15: 37
      I agree. For some reason, we do not place emphasis on the simple fact that military actions are always finite in time, and in a relatively short period, but what we call “sanctions” are not just for a long time, but for a historical period of time. And it is completely abnormal to make a pitch in the information field in such a way that “tomorrow the West will fall apart” and realize the depravity of sanctions. It won’t fall apart and doesn’t realize, rather, if it retreats, it will tighten the regime even more.

      Then we practically do not describe the real depth and real sanctions mechanisms. We have such information gaps that it is not difficult for the West to enlighten most of the chains. The whole question, by and large, is their ability to administer this process. That's why they hammer it in parts.
      1. +4
        26 February 2024 16: 05
        The experience of the Great Patriotic War showed the West perfectly that we are much more easily “choked” than “head-on”. They drew a lot of conclusions from this, filed it and comprehended it. We weaved from this enchanting game and legends-myths of ancient Greece, which we love to do in principle from any story. In fact, we had trouble with the analysis of counteraction to this, and we began to scratch somehow in the 2020s. It’s something that somehow, although, of course, individual sluggish attempts can be seen in earlier layers - in the direction of microelectronics, for example. But these were just isolated and sluggish attempts, completely inconsistent with the degree of importance of the issue of our resistance to “suffocation.”
        And now - I periodically see how we fight off current situations (such as Ecuadorian attacks) with varying degrees of success, but I don’t see any preparation for situation in advance.
        There is a feeling that there, at the top, there is some kind of fanatical belief that at some point, quite soon, the European will not stand it and will run, dropping his pants and simultaneously breaking his own sanctions architecture. AND IF NOT ? Do we have an understanding of our REAL degree of importance in the world? I see that the current world can completely survive without us - everything that we sell (except perhaps turnkey nuclear power plants) outside is diversified by more than one world analogue (I mean solid products and not “unanalogous” components such as sapphire substrates).
        They can wait there until the sanctions bury us; their paths bypassing the Russian Federation have been trodden since the times of the USSR. We ask ourselves: what do they need it for? What are their benefits? But we have examples in sight - why did they need it with the DPRK, with Iran, with some African and LA countries? Just like that! Decisions will be made “not to be friends with this person” and that’s it, boycott, etc. In the United States, the sanctions from the time of early Brezhnev still weigh on us (Jackson-Vanik is the same), and they are neither cold nor hot from this, and it cannot be said that it ruins or exhausts them.
        We need to understand this and prepare for the worst, trying to benefit from it for ourselves..
        1. +2
          26 February 2024 23: 34
          Well, by the way, that’s the topic of the article. This means that we have data, the safety of which is one of the basic conditions for the fight under sanctions.
          Roskomnadzor is checking the authenticity of a leaked database that may contain 500 million records about Russians. RKN reported the leak on February 23. The department did not specify when it happened and who was involved. “The contents of his records file do not clearly indicate the period during which the criminals received this information. Roskomnadzor checks the accuracy, absence of signs of compilation and relevance, including the year of formation of the original records, of the contents of this database,” the Roskomnadzor press service reported. The RKN representative added that such leaks increase the risk of fraud against Russians and their involvement in illegal actions. The fact that the amount of compromised data is increasing, he said, confirms the need to move to a system in which data can only be processed by organizations that guarantee the fulfillment of security responsibilities. Deputy head of the RKN Milos Wagner reported on February 23 that since the beginning of the year, more than 510 million records about Russians have been leaked onto the Internet, 500 million of them were compromised as a result of one leak. He did not specify when exactly it happened and who was involved in it. According to him, the department is conducting an investigation. Over the entire previous year, 300 million records were leaked online, Wagner added.

          Well, really, it’s a sieve.
          1. +2
            26 February 2024 23: 46
            Since the beginning of the year, more than 510 million records about Russians have leaked onto the Internet, 500 million of them were compromised as a result of one leak

            Well, this digital madness gives a completely natural result. Today, the graduate signed the GDPR - about the possibility of self-banning loans. This is very good. well demonstrates the tendency to convulsively reverse from the consequences of this, not always smart but very intrusive digitalization and the “type of relief” that is lured into it. Life has become easier, life has become more fun - they’ll just put a credit card on you from some Uncle Petya and then you’ll be shitted with bricks and you won’t be able to find out who stole the scan of your passport, SNILS and so on.
            How will they fight this? :) Let me guess - they will probably tighten criminal liability. This is like a lifesaver, in any unclear situation it is necessary to tighten criminal liability and that’s all, tip-top, chick-brick. Just go and find more of these “cybers”, and even just pinpoint low-level holes through which data flows to aggregators, and then go and prove that this took place and that this is not a competent setup.

            Alas and ah, the enemy has also joined the usual sad state of affairs in this field, intensifying fraudulent activity and, apparently, getting the hang of coordinating it more strongly on the part of the special services. Not to mention the fact that our Western “not friends” can also get involved in this more seriously if the enemy discovers through this the powerful levers that potentially exist there.
            1. +1
              26 February 2024 23: 54
              It's everywhere. How much information is there in commercial data? Extracts from the Unified State Register of Legal Entities can be viewed online by anyone, cadastres, cars.... What about information about business and transactions like “this is different”. Yes, with goal setting, the West can track 4/5 chains, if not more. But with us you are right, “digital madness”.
              My aunt is 82 years old, she went to the clinic, and now she has a “digital card”. The card records that one disease was once in the past wassat The magic of digitalization - Grandma 82 was sick and became healthy! The magic works
              1. +2
                27 February 2024 00: 02
                Well, we have never really bothered with privacy, some kind of servile secrets and the right to anonymity in general. This is stupidly not in the culture of society, where does it come from? From serfdom they practically jumped into collective farms, communal apartments and the KGB, and from this they jumped into the 90s, where everything could be bought and faked.
                This state will smear every squiggle with three or four layers of paint if it is shy, but a little person is “not allowed”, everything should be like on a platter, “the Soviet man has nothing to hide”, vigorously...

                Mentality + handwriting is a terrible and destructive force.
              2. +2
                27 February 2024 00: 09
                Their main problem has always been that they are there at the top of the white tower, on some subconscious level they think that “over the hill” everything is arranged “very similar” to how it is here, in the cage, the rules of which they know how to write, bypass, violate and generally tricksters. They get their hands on this, sharpen their tools on this and... it turns out that it’s NOT SO. What’s worse, all these techniques cause a fierce pop-burn and even a backlash, including a collective one.
                What should I do? You have to study and study, but how to study if you are used to cheating?! This is not kosher and shameful and unusual - maybe we were just unlucky with the cards? Or maybe the backdoor is bad, maybe we’ll look for more backdoors? Well, that’s the fucking logic.
                Bad, tho... vicious.
                Every time our cage squashes and wobbles from targeted and methodical influences from the outside - because how to establish “sort of order” inside a spherical cage in a vacuum (iron curtain) is still at the very least imaginable, but when it comes to KA-NKU-REN-TION this is already unthinkable, how to act? After all, you can’t put anyone in prison and the Basmanny Court won’t help, and the laws in the State Duma cannot “stop” this.
      2. +3
        26 February 2024 16: 13
        By the way, here’s a good question - what would be realistic? made should we definitely embark on the path of long-term modernization?
        There must be a certain line that will change the paradigm objectively, because behind it there will no longer be any opportunity to rub in oneself about the “good old times.”
        I really can’t find this line, no matter how hard I try. They have already imposed extraterritorial sanctions in full, and the joint venture has been undermined, and the money has been seized, and sanctions have been imposed on the tanker fleet, and any significant direct suppliers have long been excommunicated.
        Where the hell is this line?!
        1. +3
          26 February 2024 20: 54
          And nowhere. You yourself said “fanatical belief that the Europeans will not stand it.” It is unlikely that our media would have promoted this thesis so persistently and also with fanaticism if it had not been approved throughout the vertical.
          The trick is that the European really can’t stand it. And he doesn’t have to endure it. Here another question arises: what were the initial design objectives of each side? If at the beginning of the SVO everyone was wondering what and how, now at least there are outlines. And although they are outlines, they are quite clear - the border between two economic and political models. Where will it take place? The Americans didn’t hide at all that they were on the Dnieper. The British, followed by the EU, proposed (and apparently London had reason to assume so) that Russia would not fully reach the Dnieper. This is their model. And our model turned out to be even simpler - sit everyone down at the negotiating table and impose “Neutral Ukraine”. For the United States, this is unacceptable, since it keeps the boundaries between models blurred. Oddly enough, our model for the United States was potentially worse than everything else, because the borders (not of states), but of economic and political models could be changed, and the Russian Federation retained influence in Europe. In the end, everything went as it should and, taking advantage of our mistakes, they decided to defeat us for an additional investment of 100 yards. But it didn’t work out. New investments will not be given, since now it is necessary to fix the boundaries of the systems. So they pretend that there are no shells, that one is not there. Everything is there, there just won’t be any strategic effect. Only additional expenses instead of wasting time fixing the border.

          Our problem is that we apparently believe that it is possible to achieve something like Istanbul-2 and, accordingly, not fix the border, so we are not really preparing for sanctions. At least that's how it feels. And this is a mistake, because this is not even sanctions, but a complete break between the two models. There seems to be no full awareness of this.
          1. +2
            26 February 2024 23: 58
            All the same, Mikhail, my mind refuses to believe in such a deep pit of stupidity, although I look at the situation without optimism, although I adhere to deepening skepticism.
            I consider most of the talk that Ukraine is really hellishly important for the EU as a “market” or a cubiter with resources, about black soil and so on, not so much nonsense, but rather not even close to the key. Ukraine already sold its resources mega willingly and there was no need to drag it into the EU or into direct subordination - because Schengen would only add a nickel or so of greedy and active workers to Europe, which is already saturated with labor force. Market ? Ha ha! What the hell is the market, unlike the USSR in 1991, Ukraine was already sufficiently developed by business, including the EU. I mean that there would be no explosive profits from the development of virgin wilderness across the entire breadth of the nomenclature. 40 Lyams of the (pre-war) population is also very good, considering the real paying ability of these people in the majority. Chernozem? Why the hell do they need Ukrainian black soil if they have more than enough of their own farmers (which is what we are seeing now), whose products cannot always be sold within the EU itself.

            Here, apparently, something like a principle comes first. Europe has grown a whistle and in recent years they have really wanted, for some reason, to whistle on it. This is not very rational - the rational thing now would be to invest in thermonuclear fusion and dig hard in the direction of Libya-Nigeria to cover their energy and resource needs “at a low price.”
            1. +4
              27 February 2024 00: 08
              And this is not stupidity, this is a consistent preference for one globalist project over another. Rimsky versus American. The general figure is a purely Roman project of globalization. Please note that in the EU and the USA there is no such digitalization, but where is there? China and Russia. If Schwab’s Roman project had won in Europe, everyone would have had digital passports there too. But there is another wedding. And you’ll never know what’s better, the digital world or the world of transgender people and 122 genders like in the USA, although apparently at the “meta-level” both projects will naturally merge in the final ecstasy. Europe from Lisbon to China is the Club of Rome, a world divided into two or three value clusters and looking like a transformer tesseract - the USA. I myself would simply build a wall on the border with Europe and take care of our affairs, but to whom to explain this, and how, and who will listen.
  8. +3
    26 February 2024 13: 11
    The article is a little lengthy; the main idea could have been presented more succinctly. What conclusion can be drawn from it? The policy of high-tech production and import substitution has failed. All these years, we have listened mainly to victorious reports from our government. The main conclusion: With such an “elite” we will not achieve anything without replacing it.
  9. +2
    26 February 2024 15: 04
    The last straw will break the camel's back.
  10. +1
    26 February 2024 18: 24
    Quote: vasyliy1
    What conclusion can be drawn from it? The policy of high-tech production and import substitution has failed.

    The conclusion is that we finally need to get serious about import substitution. If the DPRK and Iran managed to match this, even more so will Russia, together with the DPRK and Iran.
  11. +1
    26 February 2024 21: 44
    Thanks for the detailed analysis!

    Not an economic question, but I'll ask...

    If for the first 3-4 weeks, starting from February 24, 2022, there had been only fighting between the two countries, and politicians on all sides of the conflict would not have interfered...
    It would all be over now:
    - in favor of Russia?
    - in favor of Ukraine?
    - would it continue roughly as it does now?
    - would the apocalypse due to the desire not to lose at any cost already happen?
    - maybe someone else would intervene and calm everyone down?
    1. +2
      26 February 2024 22: 00
      Thank you!
      This is how I see the story. The US goal was to achieve a complete break in the economic and political system of the EU and Russia. The logic here is quite transparent - they form a single macro-cluster USA-Canada-Mexico-EU. Since the starting conditions for mutual trade here from the United States were not initially the best, they took quite adequate steps: they took over the political leadership of the EU + began to weaken the EU in such a way that its trade with the outside world was reduced, and ties within the EU, on the contrary, increased. At the same time, in the energy sector, they changed our flows to their own (here it is not even the physical flow of raw materials that is important, but the cost and financial flow).

      Apparently, the United States hoped that Russia would quickly reach Kyiv and the Dnieper, force Ukraine to some kind of agreement, while sanctions would be kicked into full gear, which, on the one hand, would cut Russia off from the EU, and on the other hand, would join Ukraine to NATO and the EU. left bank In this way, the border of the two systems would pass along the Dnieper.

      Apparently Johnson knew something, since he convinced many to fight “until the thaw”, since in this case the border of the systems would have passed much further to the east, and our political influence was very weakened. At the same time, the sanctions regime would have been implemented the same way. The profit was not obvious at the time, but it was interesting. Later, due to our mistakes, the illusion arose that Johnson was right and for a venture investment of $100 billion, one could also get super-profits in this project. This didn't work out. Such investments will no longer be given. But now the West has a question - how to return to the original scheme - fixing the boundaries between systems. This is where we are now.

      In whose favor did everything go and is going? If we take the British plan, it didn’t work out. If we take the American plan, they still have even more than they expected before February 2022. Our situation is as follows - we still believe that it is possible to maintain open borders between systems, forcing Kiev to some kind of intermediate agreement like Istanbul-2, taking into account the real fact of the presence of new territories. Those. we mathematically expect to get more than Istanbul-1 could have. Another thing is that the United States will never agree to open borders between systems. There should be a concrete wall 100 meters high and as wide as the Dnieper. Well, we’ll see what everyone gets up to. But in my opinion, the most rational, albeit the most difficult, is to physically occupy the territories up to the Dnieper, since any intermediate options will mean that the concrete wall will sooner or later pass to the east.
  12. 0
    28 February 2024 05: 50
    I remember our ghouls from the Kremlin said, why reinvent the wheel, we’ll buy everything over the hill, and among them was a LADY. The result is clear: we have fallen to the bottom technologically. And in the west, bicycles travel 70 km without straining their muscles. Small example.
  13. 0
    28 February 2024 14: 21
    Western civilization is built on sadism. She is her essence. And they will scrupulously look for ways to hurt us further. There are resources, no conscience, all this will take a very long time. Secondary sanctions are a tough thing. But we need to think about how to respond. At least asymmetrically.
  14. 0
    28 February 2024 14: 22
    If everything were so simple, then Hamas would not have weapons and money. Even during the times of the USSR (it was under sanctions), they bought machine tools in Japan for the military-industrial complex of the USSR.
    In the modern world, so many tools have been invented that there would be a desire to trade. It is possible for shares, bonds, mortgage notes, through exchange payments in favor of third parties
  15. 0
    1 March 2024 10: 09
    Accounting was introduced under Yeltsin at the request of “partners,” allegedly in order to control the distribution of Western loans. In fact, this system allows you to control all processes occurring in the economy. In addition to accounting, there are many additional mechanisms.
    Until we hide these processes from the enemy, they will be able to interfere with us.
    Yesterday they reported that we are decoupling our prices from the global ones. Does anyone remember being told that we have pegged them to the global ones? Personally, I don’t. Gasoline alone is worth it.
    How much more do we not know?
    1. 0
      1 March 2024 17: 56
      To be fair, it should be noted that as such, the System of National Accounts, introduced instead of the accepted accounting methodology in the USSR, was better from the point of view of financial accounting. And there were discussions about the transition in the USSR as well. But the deep disadvantage of this model was the almost complete absence of physical output volumes and the priority given to the financial picture. This gave much wider scope for manipulations with revaluation. But the issue with the secrecy of macro-economic reporting, you are right, in fact, the issue should have been resolved radically (since 2014 this has been true). But, alas, we reported, we are reporting, and apparently we will be reporting for a long time.