Putin alone will not stop the brain drain from Russia

I'm really sorry, I missed it. And all because we haven’t celebrated the birthday of Russian science so quietly since the very day of its establishment, since 1999. They celebrated in whispers and in the basement, behind closed hatches and doors; no other comparison comes to mind. But - it is what it is.

Meanwhile, it was on January 28 or February 8, according to the new style, that the Russian Emperor Peter the Great commanded, and the Senate by its decree, founded the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences. And this happened in 1724 from the Nativity of Christ, that is, this year Russian science celebrated its tricentenary.

And – virtually silence.

And you yourself understand, for good reason? You understand correctly. And to confirm this understanding, we must turn our gaze to the year 2018, when Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated May 07, 2018 No. 204 “On national goals and strategic objectives of the development of the Russian Federation for the period until 2024” was signed.

And here it is, the year 2024...

In order to appreciate the achievements of Russian science, you don’t have to go far. Every year a very useful statistical reference book “Science” is published. Technologies. Innovation." The collection has been published since 2009, usually published by April-May, but this year it has already been published. In January. Apparently, based on the data, anniversary reports should have been drawn up about how we are ahead of everyone.

But something went wrong, anyone who wants to check the correctness of the given data can easily find the collection in online libraries, there are only about a hundred pages, but here, at the end of the article, I will give a link to the “summary” of this collection and to the entire collection.

The data is available, and since there were no victorious reports, everyone can simply see for themselves what the achievements of Russian science are. Including since such an important national project as “Science”, which started within the framework of the same Presidential Decree, has ended.

It is simply unrealistic to consider ALL the achievements of Russian science within the framework of one article, so let me talk about achieving results within the framework of the “Science” national project. And there the main thing was prescribed - Russia should be in the top five most scientifically advanced countries.

How can we generally understand whether science is developed in a country or not? The question is not easy. There is a list of leading countries in world science, “Group 13”. And membership in a group is determined by the number of scientists engaged in full-time research. It’s a complex definition, but it gives the idea that a person is engaged in science all the time he works.

True, I took liberties and slightly modernized the table, adding to it the list number of residents of the country. It turned out more interesting. Number is given in millions of people. Population – as of 2020, scientific workers – as of 2021. The first figure is the number of scientists, the second is the total number of residents of the country.

1. China - 2,405 / 1
2. USA - 1,493 / 337,9
3. Japan - 0,704 / 125,4
4. South Korea - 0,470 / 51,9
5. Germany - 0,461 / 83,2
6. Russia – 0,390 / 140,1
7. India - 0,341 / 1
8. France - 0,333 / 69,1
9. Great Britain - 0,317 / 66,9
10.Canada - 0,191 / 40,3
11.Brazil - 0,180 / 211,0
12. Taiwan - 0,167 / 23,4
13. Italy - 0,159 / 58,7

In general, everything is clear; the fact that Japan, which has twice as many scientists for the same population, will be ahead of Russia, is not worth explaining. And the fact that we still have more scientists than India also inspires some optimism.

Alas, it's not worth it. Russia is the only country on the list in which the number of scientists has decreased compared to 2000. At that time, 506,4 thousand people were engaged in research; accordingly, the reduction was 23%.

And during the same time, the number of scientists in China increased by 3,46 times. In Brazil – 3,5 times. South Korea – 4,4 times. India - 2,8 times. USA - 1,4 times. Taiwan - 3 times.

ALL countries from the list have increased, and the vast majority - significantly. And only Russia reduced it. This is the main “victory” of the national project “Science”.

Next.

What immediately followed was a coefficient that would show how many scientists work per 10 people working in the economy. This is a very useful figure that removes the “old and young” and shows how many people actually work to ensure that the economy develops in all sectors.

1. South Korea - 173
2. Taiwan - 147
3. France - 114
4. Canada - 110
5. Germany - 103
6. Japan - 103
7. UK - 101
8. USA - 101
9. Italy - 63
10. Russia – 55
11.China – 32
12.Brazil – 19
13.India – 9

And then, right there, the answer to the question: how much money does it cost? How much do countries spend on various research and development? In millions of US dollars.

1. USA - 806,0
2. China - 667,6
3. Japan - 177,4
4. Germany -153,7
5. South Korea -119,6
6. UK - 97,8
7. France -77,2
8. India - 59,1
9. Taiwan - 55,6
10. Russia - 49,9
11. Italy - 40,1
12. Brazil - 35,9
13.Canada - 35,3

It seems to be the fifth-largest economy in the world, judging by GDP, and research expenses, that is, for tomorrow, are tenths... Losing in this regard to Taiwan and wallowing in the same puddle with Brazil and Italy - well, the situation is so-so. Our GDP is approximately the same as Germany, but the Germans spend three times more money. Yes, of course, we can say – the question is how, but I am sure that here we will not be the leaders.

Speaking about the same GDP, it is interesting to consider the indicator of research and development costs as a percentage of gross domestic product. Here are data for 13 countries in 2022, with data for 2000 in parentheses for comparison.

1. South Korea - 4,93 (2,13)
2. Taiwan - 3,77 (1,91)
3. USA - 3,46 (2,62)
4. Japan - 3,30 (2,86)
5. Germany - 3,13 (2,41)
6. UK - 2,91 (1,61)
7. China - 2,43 (0,89)
8. France - 2,22 (2,09)
9. Canada - 1,55 (1,86)
10. Italy - 1,45 (1,00)
11.Brazil - 1,17 (1,05)
12. Russia - 0,94 (1,05)
13. India - 0,66 (0,76).

It is clear that this coefficient is very difficult to evaluate like this, because GDP can grow, it can fall, but here we are again, everything is sad. The GDP is growing, we have risen from our knees... And allocations are decreasing. Yes, we are not alone, Canada and India also have problems with this indicator.

But in general, if you close your eyes to GDP indicators, then yes, Russia’s place in the top 13 is not at the top.

And the last indicator that would be interesting to announce is the number of patent applications filed. This is precisely an indicator of how successful the scientific work carried out in the country is. After all, it can only be measured by inventions and patents, right?

According to data for 2021 (the rest are apparently still being processed), Russian applicants (as the applicant for a copyright certificate is called) have filed 25 patent applications. Of this number, 472 applications were filed with the Russian patent office, and 19 with foreign offices. And this is only 569th place in the world.

The world leader, naturally, is China. There were (think about it!) 1 applications submitted! Second place goes to the USA, 538, Japan (060 applications), South Korea (509 applications), Germany (096 applications).

But here, too, not everything is so simple. The question is how many applications were ultimately granted by the patent offices. It is clear that such information is not available due to the fact that applications are sometimes considered for years, but nevertheless. And the quality of applications can also easily raise questions, because it is one thing to patent a method for producing a paste for thin-film solid electrolyte of electrochemical devices (read - for capacitors), Russian patent No. 2739055 of 2020, and another thing - a patent from one well-known savage company from the USA to a self-adjusting watch band that automatically tightens or loosens based on biometric data collected by the watch.

There is a difference, right?

But nevertheless, the figures show the steady degradation of the Russian scientific community. In terms of inventions, Russia lags catastrophically behind the advanced countries of the world. Even if some of the inventions turn out to be nonsense, and every single patent of Russian inventors will be valuable and useful, 60 times more applications are filed in China! That is, for one Russian one there are 60 Chinese ones. And of these Chinese, if at least 1/10 turns out to be useful, this is 6 times more than ours. That's the whole deal down to the penny.

Over the past 20 years, Russia has turned out to be the only country from the “list of 13” that has demonstrated a steady decline in the number of people employed in scientific research and in funding for this research. Hence the lag behind the leading countries of the world, which is getting worse year after year. Hence the statement that the national project “Science” has completely failed, despite all the statements.

Here we must ask the question: where do the people of science go? Why is it like this in our country, but differently in Korea or Taiwan?

It's simple. The old ones die and the new ones don't come.

Now I’ll give you statistics from myself, literally a little bit, but this is simply not in the collection. What is the highest recognition of a scientist's merits? That's right, the Nobel Prize. And if it (the prize) in some fields such as peace and literature is extremely politicized, then science is still science.

Here is a selection of Nobel laureates, citizens of Russia.

Alferov, Zhores Ivanovich (1930-2019). Soviet and Russian physicist. NP 2000.

Abrikosov, Alexey Alekseevich (1928-2017, USA). Remained in the USA in 1991. US citizen since 1999, NP 2003.

Ginzburg, Vitaly Lazarevich (1916-2009). NP 2003.

Ekimov, Alexey Ivanovich (1945-). A citizen of Russia, he has lived and worked in the USA since 1999. NP 2023 in Chemistry.

Sir Novoselov, Konstantin Sergeevich (1974-). Citizen of Russia and Great Britain, has lived in Europe since 1999, and in the UK since 2001. NP Laureate in Physics 2010.

That's all that Russian science can boast of. And, pay attention, those who didn’t leave were actually Soviet old men Alferov and Ginzburg, the rest somehow preferred other shores.

But this is the elite. And those who will have to design new aircraft tomorrow and Drones, develop ships, missiles and medical equipment - where are they? But they are not there!

The state policy of the “market”, so elegantly voiced by Mr. Medvedev at one time, has done its job. The status of a scientist is so low that only a janitor can compete with him. The status, naturally, is not social; after all, a scientist is as close as possible to the blue dream of new generations “to work in an office.” The status is financial, because scientists and engineers, together with teachers and educators, are the bottom of Russian reality.

The only place where something still shines for a young and not very hard worker of science is Moscow. There are reasonable salaries there, there is science. But, as rightly noted, Moscow is not rubber. And what about science in cities outside the Moscow Ring Road and SPKAD - you can just keep quiet.

And the number of people who want to advance science at their own expense is quite naturally decreasing. After studying and working, and seeing the mockery of themselves on the payroll, those who really want to do development go to places where they are happy to be accepted and paid for it normally.

A “brain drain” from the country begins, and, if you believe the RAS, the Russian Academy of Sciences, and I don’t know why you shouldn’t believe it, then at present the “brain drain” is taking the form and volume of a general flight. In 2012, 14 thousand people left the country, and in 2021 – 70 thousand. These are, however, not only scientists, but also specialists in applied science and designers. Well, everyone knows what started in 2022, with the beginning of the Northern Military District: “young” brains rushed out of the country, who wanted to do science and not fight. In general, young scientists expressed their distrust of the authorities with their feet.

And let us note that the authorities did absolutely nothing to prevent these people from fleeing the country, because a certain “deferment” granted for a not very specific time led to the fact that the owners rushed after those who did not have deferments.

So the situation has developed: “The old people die, the young people run away.” And so it is everywhere, I understand perfectly well that in order to organize a meeting between Putin and “young scientists” they will be brought in from anywhere from all over the country and all this will be beautifully shown on TV, but this will not solve the problem.

In the collection, you can all be convinced of the correctness of my words if you go to the section that talks about the number of organizations in the field of science and technology in the Russian Federation for the period from 2000 to 2022.

The numbers there indicate that a collapse is taking place: over 22 years, the number of organizations engaged in research work, that is, research institutes familiar to our ears, decreased from 2 to 686. Almost half, if you want to be precise - 1%. And these are the institutes that developed everything from cartridges to satellites.

You can also see there that the number of design bureaus, that is, organizations that were engaged in design and development work, decreased from 318 to 249. 21%. Pure design institutes are simply dying out: out of 85, 13 remain. Almost 85% are lost. Well, the loss of three pilot plants should also be included here, where it was the superpros who assembled in metal what they came up with at the research institute and design bureau.

And accordingly, the number of those working in R&D also decreased. In 2000, there were 887,7 thousand of them, and in 2022 there were already 669,9 thousand people. A quarter “did not fit into the market”...

I suspect that if you delve into statistics from the USSR, the picture will be similar to the defeat of the Roman army at Cannes. Of course, modern computing systems make the work of scientists much easier, and comparing what was done during the Soviet Union with today is not easy, but... we are fighting 90% of what was developed then. Behind drawing boards and using calculators and adding machines with slide rules.

Defeat. I have no other word to describe the moment. Especially when on the screen I listen to some feverish nonsense about the “technological sovereignty” of Russia, about the “scientific and technological breakthrough” that suddenly occurred after February 24, 2022, about “scientific and technological progress.” Officials and deputies speak frankly and tastefully on this topic. But I look at the numbers and I don’t see progress anywhere. Only regression. And not in comparison with Soviet times, no. Quite Russian.

And what is there to do?

Problem #1. Complete discreditation of scientific work and the title of scientist. Here you don’t have to go far, the administration of any regional center is taken over, wherever you spit, you’ll end up with a doctor of some kind of science! Usually economic. The country is in disarray, and the doctors are like uncut dogs! I personally knew him and worked for him. The master reached the position of first deputy governor, but then there was a criminal case and his career did not work out. Behind me is a circus school. But - correspondence institute, candidate's, doctor's. Everything is in order.

It has simply become fashionable for everyone to have an academic degree. They have it. Deputies, officials. The complete discrediting of knowledge is obvious, because everyone understands perfectly well that a purchased title is one thing, and a well-deserved one is quite another.

In the nineties, while working in one company, I had the pleasure of listening several times to Leonid Ivanovich Abalkin, who simply worked as a financial consultant. Well, the nineties, you know. When he opened his mouth and began to talk, lighting one cigarette after another (yes, he smoked mercilessly), in the second minute he began to feel so wretched with his economic education, which was just enough to understand how smart the academician’s head was.

And then these... deputies...

Problem #2. The miserable survival of scientists. That's the only way you can call it. And this also includes the teaching staff of schools and universities. Everything is sad there too, but in a slightly different aspect.

However, it is a fact that people who want to do science must look for sponsors for this, because the salary of a researcher is similar to the salary of a housing and communal services worker with a foreign passport.

In general, there should be a vertical in which a doctoral candidate working for the defense industry or progress in a government institution, or a designer like them, cannot receive less than 300 thousand rubles. The state has no right to give him a donation for pasta once a month; a person must work without bothering himself with anything.

Yes, as our former fellow citizens do in the USA and Great Britain.

It didn’t work out - here you go, “second league”. Universities where you can train your own kind. For less money, but still.

Problem #3. Scientists are not given a voice. The times when deputies included scientists, doctors and teachers, as we all understand, have sunk into history history. Therefore, at the highest level, there is simply no one to pose and discuss the problems of the scientific community and education.

No one is working to make it not only interesting for scientists, but also comfortable to live and work.

Remember such an experiment as scientific companies? Today they are silent about them because there is practically nothing to say, but I can say a few words on this topic. It’s a paradox, but 90% of the activities of a scientific company at one university in our area boiled down to the fact that they needed to invent something to show at the next “ARMY-...”. Do whatever you want, let it be! But since development is not subject to the schedule of forums and other window dressing, the number of “new products” issued by scientific companies has dropped sharply, and they have become of no interest to anyone.

There is something to show - well done. No - and why then contain all this? Let them go clear the snow, they'll finally get down to business!

Of course, I’m pulling the wool over the eyes of the military commissar, but what can you do if we have a publication like this and you think about this first and foremost?

Problem #4. Science is absolutely not needed by the authorities. More precisely, what is needed is not science itself, but a movement around it. Officials very actively pretend to be interested in the development of science, but in reality this is all nothing more than an imitation of vigorous activity and a complete disregard for the president’s signature on the next decree.

Let's take 2016. What do we have there? And we have the Decree of President Putin on the approval of the “Strategy for Scientific and Technological Development of Russia.” And speaking before the Federal Assembly, Putin emphasized that this strategy is no less important than the national security strategy.

And the movement began! By decision of the president, a coordination council was created, and SEVEN councils on scientific priorities were created under his subordination and coordination; there was a lot of smoke, noise and other special effects.

Result? Who has heard about the results of the actions of this gang, eating up budget money? So I haven’t heard...

What about 2021? It was, if anything, the “Year of Science and Technology”. Also according to the Presidential Decree. And what? And nothing.

May 7, 2018 Presidential Decree No. 204 “On national goals and strategic objectives of the development of the Russian Federation for the period until 2024.” An expanded document, it identified 12 national projects, and one of them was called... “Science”! Completion of the project is in 2024. The decree states that this year Russia should be in fifth place in the ranking of countries in terms of the level of scientific development.

That's it, 2024 is coming. What do we have there? And again nothing. There is no question of any fifth place in the rankings, and we don’t always get into the top 10, we are fighting, you know, with India and Brazil.

But what is the approach itself? He is a bureaucrat, not a scientist. Inventions and developments are not important, what is important is the line in the rating so that it can be inserted into the report and beautifully presented. They say, this is how we did a great job.

Well, on April 25, 2022, the President signs the Decree “On the Declaration of the Decade of Science and Technology in the Russian Federation.” Again, a smart document, it was planned to massively attract young people into science, to solve the most important problems for the country...

But the youth at that time were solving more pressing problems for themselves and were tearing their claws out of the country for the benefit of which it was planned to attract them. There, as I understand it, where you could work in science without fear of changing your occupation.

And it is quite natural that a year later, First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Andrei Removich Belousov (one of the few in the Government who does not make me shake), speaking in the Federation Council, said that the situation in Russian science and technology is simply catastrophic.

Yes, you can continue until February 8, 2024. There again, Putin cautiously expressed his complete dissatisfaction with the progress of the implementation of his own “Development Strategy...” and demanded amendments to the document.

It would be better to put someone especially careless in jail and demand not to make amendments, but to get the job done.

But this is different. It’s not done that way, I understand.

The Russian authorities need science only when they can grab something from the budget and buy another golf pole. But basically we are eating up the Soviet legacy, both in terms of developments and in terms of personnel. And it is very difficult to say by whom to compensate the specialists who are leaving us in both senses. Those who are brought in by the thousands today and are fenced off by the authorities are not fit for laboratory benches. They are somehow more about robbing, beating and raping, and selling drugs. But that's really a different story.

Of course, we will flounder on the legacy of our ancestors for some time, but really not for long. And then that's it. And the most unpleasant thing is that everyone who is guilty of what is happening to Russian science will calmly and indifferently watch it from the side. From their villas and houses they are not in Russia at all. They did everything in their power. And someone in the West will be rubbing their hands with pleasure. And we even know who. However, this is of little use.

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[Stas157]

Quote: Igor Viktorovich

Starting to read, after two paragraphs the author is obvious..

Yes, in fact, there is a signature under the article! Do you have any objections to the topic or did you come here to make an attack?

[Boris55]

Putin is my president!

Quote: Stas157

Do you have any objections to the topic?

I’m not Igor Viktorovich, but I’ll answer on the topic. What kind of brains do we leak to our enemies if they are not able to do what we already have? The answer is obvious - worthless. Fair wind to them and all the best.

ps
All residents of Russia have a Fatherland that is more than one thousand years old, which is why we have patronymics. In the West, patronymics are not the same. The people there have no fatherland. Are you from there?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Boris55

The answer is obvious - worthless. Fair wind to them and all the best.

And for us - hardworking Tajiks and Uzbeks, who work 22 hours a day for a pack of doshirak. And we will be poaching pears.

[Boris55]

We are responsible for those who have tamed.

Quote: Mordvin 3

And for us - hardworking Tajiks and Uzbeks

Are you a Nazi?

There were, are and will be shortcomings. The more we have, the wider our requests. We will be overcoming the consequences of the 90s for a long time. I hope that we will do without “lace panties” and “bloody gebna”.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

We will be overcoming the consequences of the 90s for a long time.

How quickly can the consequences of the 90s be overcome? 25-30 years have already passed-it really happened in the last century.. during this time in the USSR they managed to dismantle the country and rebuild it .. already some people born after 2000 have 5 children, and you are overcoming everything ..

[Boris55]

Putin is my president!

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

25-30 years have already passed, in reality it was in the last century... during this time the country in the USSR was dismantled

The answer is in the post below. What has been done and what will be done.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: 2 level advisor

..... 25-30 years have already passed-it really happened in the last century..during this time in the USSR the country was dismantled and rebuilt....

The difference between the development from the first days after the Civil War to the Great Patriotic War, and the post-reconstruction Russian Federation is huge and not in favor of today. In numbers, many here (including me) cited ratios.
After the Civil War, foreign specialists came to the young Soviet country to develop production... To different cities of the country.
In St. Petersburg, in different parts of the city, there are houses built at that time for foreign specialists to live. Very good quality houses that still look solid today. And there are conditions inside. For example, 2 kitchens. One kitchen-dining room and an adjacent kitchen with a stove. Well, the rest. Salaries also apparently attracted the Soviet Government

[Kotofeich]

Quote: Reptiloid

Soviet Power attracted

Look at China. If they used to steal technology, now they are “stealing” specialists. Look at the Chinese auto industry. It employs specialists from all over the world - designers, constructors, engineers, technologists.
The Chinese bought them all.

[Reptiloid]

That's what we're talking about. The young Soviet country, being in complete devastation, hunger, and lack of everything, nevertheless understood that industrialization, new production, was the most important thing it needed at the moment. I tried at any cost.
By the way, today’s people are very fond of remembering “the Russia that they lost.” And in that Russia, Peter 1, depicted next to the Kunstkamera, was just trying to attract foreigners for development and education. And attracted. We were driving, someone found a second home. Their names are associated with Russia.... I also sent my own people to study abroad....
Was. There is somewhere to take an example if the current ones do not want to remember the experience of the Bolsheviks

[Sergei_Bely]

The young Soviet country, being in complete devastation, hunger, and lack of everything, nevertheless understood that industrialization, new production, was the most important thing it needed at the moment.

The young Soviet country bought turnkey factories from the Americans. Received both factories and competencies.
But today the time is different:
Firstly, no one will supply us with any more factories with equipment in the next 30 years;
Secondly, its own engineering school was practically destroyed;
Thirdly, simple schools and medicine have been practically destroyed.

Colleagues, let’s be honest, we have come very close to the edge and I don’t see any mistakes made by either the government or the guarantor.

Without real scalable civilian production, the country is rapidly degrading. Features of military production - you produced a rocket (there is added value), the rocket exploded (there are no resources, no added value). But he produced a tractor and it has been working for the benefit of the state for 30 years.

[Reptiloid]

I wrote there below that it is unnatural for individual bourgeois to invest in long-term projects, such as material ones, especially in intellectual ones ---- especially in people: medicine, education, development, demography. Only a socialist state could.
About the fact that

no one will sell it to us

A lot of time has been lost. It was possible to find opportunities if you did this. Remember the conversations and costs of import substitution over the past years. Probably about 10 years already.

[2112vda]

There is no need to look at China; this country is a five-thousand-year-old civilization in which a system for attracting management personnel has been built on principles based on the recognition of creative abilities. China is a traditionalist state built on Vedic principles. If China is left alone, it will dominate the planet in the future. Russia is built on Abrahamic principles of governance. You will not deny that Christianity is in a deep crisis. Our ruling class is the wealthy financial elite of society. Everyone is ruled by a layer of “effective managers”, in Russian, according to the ancient tradition, clerks. What kind of development of science can there be here, God forbid the remains are not lost. The Russian state is in a deep crisis, an ideological crisis. So Putin has officially said who he considers the country’s elite, this is the military class. The country's intellectual elite again did not come to court. I had to work in two industry research institutes. The first PKTI was dispersed due to the fact that it was considered that a scientific institution dealing with technologies in relation to the Arctic could not be located in the Arctic due to increased costs. Moscow and St. Petersburg research institutes know better what permafrost conditions are, this was in the late 80s. The second, a factory research institute, was liquidated by “a very effective manager,” this happened several years ago, before Covid. His argument is as simple as a stick, there should be no science at this large enterprise, he will buy all the technology and equipment abroad. Which is exactly what he did. It’s like the saying goes: “It’s stupid to cry over your hair when you’ve taken off your head.” According to the Vedic definition, the leadership of the country is now carried out by “fat”, that is, by salesmen-managers. Everyone knows the level of intellectual capabilities of fat. So relax and try to have fun.

[malyvalv]

The difference between the development from the first days after the Civil War to the Great Patriotic War, and the post-reconstruction Russian Federation is huge and not in favor of today.

After the civil war there was a huge positive ideological impulse on which development was based. There were Pavka Korchagin from “How the Steel Was Tempered.” In the 90s there was also a huge ideological impulse, only negative. Hence the difference.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: malyvalv

...... After the civil war there was a huge positive ideological impulse on which development was based. There were Pavka Korchagin from “How the Steel Was Tempered.” In the 90s there was also a huge ideological impulse, only negative. Hence the difference.

Who's arguing? Of course he was. In some previous article in the comments, I wrote that all this did not appear on its own. From the first days after the Revolution, after the Civil War, there was also a huge ideological educational work for this. Both for adults and for young people and children from kindergarten. Where did the Bolsheviks get these theories for education? I haven’t found out yet, although I’ve read different authors about the pre-war period. Everything was used -- cinema, theater, print, artists, poets, meetings... You see how things are now.

[malyvalv]

There was an ideology that was denoted by the simple slogan “factories to workers, land to peasants.” For people who knew firsthand what serfdom was, nothing more was required.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: malyvalv

There was an ideology that was denoted by the simple slogan “factories to workers, land to peasants.” For people who knew firsthand what serfdom was, nothing more was required.

In my opinion, you are unnecessarily simplifying. Besides these slogans there were many others. About education, medicine, hygiene, sports, etc. And about what is important for the country and why. It was from the first days of Soviet power that it was necessary to protect it and that this would soon be needed. (minus not mine)

[malyvalv]

You have a bad idea of ​​the situation 100 years ago. The slogans you are talking about circulated among a very small part of the urban population. And 90% could not read. 90% were peasants. One could put forward any slogans as much as one wanted, but only the simplest and most urgent ones would reach the masses. That is Lenin’s genius that he was able to accomplish this.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: malyvalv

.... Those slogans you are talking about circulated among a very small part of the urban population. And 90% could not read. 90% were peasants. One could put forward any slogans as much as one wanted, but only the simplest and most urgent ones would reach the masses. That is Lenin’s genius that he was able to accomplish this.

Lenin's genius ---- yes! He went further than Marx’s theory and was 1000 times right about this. But here’s what----

You have a bad idea of ​​the situation 100 years ago

This does not mean that the population itself has literally seen the light. This was a huge job of the Bolsheviks in every possible way. And the illiterate studied and studied and studied! Free, after work.

huge positive impulse

didn't appear on its own. For example, KOMSOMOLIA Bezymyansky. It was then published gradually in more than a million copies. And in what printing industry. Read it. A lot will become clearer for you, I think

[Sergey3]

How quickly can the consequences of the 90s be overcome? 25-30 years have already passed; in reality it was in the last century..

The problem is that the generation of managers trained in the late USSR will not change. For example, at my work, the deputy HR director just fiercely hates engineers. He himself has been retired for a long time, but it looks like he will continue to mock people for a long time.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Sergey3

The generation of managers trained in the late USSR will not change.

It is true, but these are not only managers trained in the 90s, but a whole generation of young compatriots who absorbed the norms of achieving success in life in that society. The social life of the 90s determined the development of their consciousness for many years.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

25-30 years have already passed - in reality it was in the last century

This is not surprising: the “Pepsi generation” (90s) today has reached the acme stage, i.e., is at the peak of social activity. It cannot overcome itself without civil war and mass repression. To do this, it was necessary to carry out “destroying”: some were destroyed on the spot, and some were sent to the tundra with hand tools and guards, so that they could build a new life there with their own hands. Do you regret that this didn't happen?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Boris55

Are you a Nazi?

Yes, you sho?

Quote: Boris55

We will be overcoming the consequences of the 90s for a long time.

The twenty-fifth year began to overcome the Susana swamp. And after all, citizens lead us from science. Putin is a candidate of economic sciences, Mishustin in general is a lecturer at the Higher School of Economics, even Kadyrov is an economist.

[AdAstra]

Not just an economist, but an Academician of academicians

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

The twenty-fifth year began to overcome the Susana swamp.

“The son is not responsible for his father” - these are the words of Stalin at a meeting of advanced combine operators (December 1, 1935). 18 years have passed since the beginning of “overcoming the Susanin swamp.” What is important here is not only the number of years, but also the quality of the overcoming process itself. Putin is overcoming the social legacy in a gentle manner, not in the same way as the Bolsheviks did (they would have continued, being the first to attack Germany in order to free the German proletariat for the world revolution, but Stalin eliminated them).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

Putin overcomes social legacy in a gentle manner,

It does not overcome, but destroys. For example, when they monetized medical benefits back in 2004, the amount of payments was 300 rubles, for which I could buy 10 bottles of moonshine. Now this amount is 700 rubles, and you can’t buy five bottles.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

It does not overcome, but destroys.

Wrong. The Bolsheviks destroyed the classes (nobles, merchants, Cossacks, kulaks), and Stalin stopped them harshly, but not cruelly: he did not completely destroy all the Bolsheviks and Komsomol members who mastered the science of class struggle, but only the most zealous Trotskyists, etc.
Putin overcomes it in a gentle manner, just as he conducts the SVO.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

Wrong. The Bolsheviks destroyed the classes (nobles, merchants, Cossacks, kulaks),

I mean they are destroying social services. It reaches the point of insanity. A visually impaired girl, second group, is sitting and they ask her, can you fry eggs? Can. Oops, already the third group.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I mean they are destroying social services.

So is Putin destroying the social sphere? Was he the one who introduced the opportunity to fry one’s eggs as a standard for assigning the 2nd disability group? No, this is done by doctors who want to get a bribe from the patient for this. And not all doctors today are like that. The quality of medicine differs not only in terms of financial support for medicine (Capital - periphery), but also by region. We fired the head physician of my clinic, where I stopped going for examinations before extending the 2nd group of disability to save nerves without this “good increase in pension.” I think the time has come to go see if anything has changed, but the negative experience of the past and the normal state of health in the present whisper: “it’s better not to.”

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

Was he the one who introduced the opportunity to fry one’s eggs as a standard for assigning the 2nd disability group? No, this is done by doctors who want to get a bribe from the patient for this. And not all doctors today are like that.

Don't whistle. There are tables for disability groups approved by the Ministry of Health. Do our Ministry of Health appoint doctors who want to get as much as possible from the patient, or the Russian government? Or is there no difference?

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

We fired the head physician of my clinic

And we actually had a nurse put in a mental hospital, she was crazy from work, she hit a completely wrong guy with an ax while he was walking down the street.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Don't whistle. There are tables for disability groups approved by the Ministry of Health.

Do you really think that the ability to fry yourself an egg is written down in the table as a norm for refusal to assign the 2nd group? I do not believe. Rather, there are self-service standards that do not extend to specific dishes. It turns out that you are the whistler.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

Do you really think that the ability to fry yourself an egg is written down in the table as a norm for assigning the 2nd group?

At that time I worked at the UPP VOS (All-Russian Society of the Blind), and I know very well what conflicts occurred there.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

This is not an answer to my question, not an objection to my assessment, and not a continuation of the argument. This is about nothing.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

This is about nothing.

Two of my friends have had their disability lifted. But they advised me to take the pills anyway. Isn’t that what it’s about either?
And so?

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

The table below shows that the disability rate of the population in Sweden is noticeably less than in Finland and more than in Russia. Where is Italy and others... What does this tell us?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

The table below shows that the disability rate of the population in Sweden is noticeably less than in Finland and more than in Russia. Where is Italy and others... What does this tell us?

And this suggests that where in other countries people who are crooked, oblique, deaf, or enuretic are recognized as disabled, in our country they are considered completely healthy. For example, do you know that in the tables of the Ministry of Health there is no such article as tongue-tiedness? There are people suffering from this disease, but according to the papers they are not.

[Mordvin 3]

And, yes. There is this crap that doctors call the border strip. We can give a second group, or we can give a third. We may grant disability, or we may not.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

There is this crap that doctors call the border strip.

This is understandable, although it is not clear why it is crap. This process cannot be prescribed in the disability regulations until it is completely automatic, just as it is impossible to prescribe in the combat manual all the necessary actions of a soldier in battle.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

although it is not clear why this is crap.

Yes, because if we want, you will be disabled, if we want, you will be healthy. And it does not depend on the patient's condition.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

This does not apply to the presence of a “borderline” in the regulations of doctors, but to the actions of any doctors, starting with the local therapist and ending with the chairman of the disability commission. The local therapist, with whom this process begins, can also behave this way when registering a sick leave. But you somehow mysteriously connect this with medical regulations and personally with Putin. Don't you think this is strange yourself?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

But you somehow mysteriously connect this with medical regulations and personally with Putin. Don't you think this is strange yourself?

It does not seem. Disability tables have been optimized. Who appoints ministers if not Putin? So don’t try to excuse your god, it won’t work.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Disability tables have been optimized. Who appoints ministers

The ministers themselves optimized according to the Decree, or doctors did it. And when was such a regulation introduced (number and date)? I know that in January of this year, the Ministry of Labor and the Ministry of Health of Russia proposed to simplify the process of registering disability by optimizing the list of necessary examinations for obtaining the status of disabled people.

From the list of examinations necessary to establish disability, it is proposed to remove 250 items, and another 250 to be recognized as replaceable with others.

What kind of optimization are you talking about?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

I know that in January of this year the Ministry of Labor and the Ministry of Health of Russia proposed to simplify the process of registering disability,

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

What kind of optimization are you talking about?

Heh, about five years ago I went with a disabled person to a pension fund, where his friend was applying for benefits to care for a disabled person. Half an hour, everything is ready. That year I also applied for benefits, not only did they put me on a waiting list for two weeks, they also forced me to register with the State Services. So with simplifications, screw someone else, not me.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

To this “life example”, which has nothing to do with my questions and objections, I can only answer this way: mark your blizzard without me.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

To this “life example”, which has nothing to do with my questions

What questions? I clearly showed you the example of tongue-tied people. Will you deny? Go ahead.

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

mark your blizzard without me.

No, Shishkin, take the trouble to justify your position.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I clearly showed you the example of tongue-tied people.

It is unclear, this is an example of what and for what positions? If for pedagogical purposes, etc. profession, then there must be a restriction; a programmer or loader does not need it. The regulations themselves are the idea of ​​the head physician, or someone at the reception who is constantly bothered by the queue. "Example"...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

If for pedagogical purposes, etc. profession, then there must be a restriction; a programmer or loader does not need it.

Yes, you hesitated. My neighbor, a designer of cartridge lines who worked with Koshkin, died like a dog from poverty. Third group disability, he could barely walk with a stick, no one needed him.

[Mordvin 3]

And as for the social sphere. I currently receive 1200 rubles a month. Try it on yourself. I bought a pair of socks in six months.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

At the moment, I receive 1200 rubles a month. Try it on yourself.

Today the minimum wage is 12 rubles. The last time I had 363 and a few kopecks; I buy 15 pairs of socks online, so what? Do you rarely change your socks, or do you want to blame all your misfortunes on Putin? In the USSR for 10 rubles. You wouldn't be fat either.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

Today the minimum wage is 12 rubles.

Allowance for caring for a disabled person - 1200 rubles. In the USSR, I earned about 300 rubles; by the collapse of the USSR, our family had three televisions, three tape recorders, a computer, and my dad was given an apartment 80 square meters from the factory. Yes, I can’t even dream about it now... At my last job I somehow calculated that I threw 26 bags of cement per hour. For a thousand rubles per shift. How is it?

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In the USSR I earned about 300 rubles

Curly. When I wanted to earn money, it was no less. Then I wanted to study (a scholarship + 60 rubles as a night watchman at school was enough). Have you tried looking for a part-time job for minimum wage?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin

Have you tried looking for a part-time job for minimum wage?

I haven't tried it. My mother is paralyzed after a stroke, I take care of her. They give me 1200 rubles a month out of the generosity of their souls. For that kind of money, you could try to jump up five times at night and change diapers 15 times a day for a person weighing under 90 kg, spoon-feed him five times a day, cook something softer...

[Alexander Tkachenko]

Gentle mode?
Is it cutting off the cat's tail piece by piece???

[fif21]

Quote: Boris55

I hope that we can do without “lace panties”

It is nostalgically pleasant to read the reasoning of a specialist in the conversational genre. How I attended a party meeting Maybe stop messing with people's ears?

[Doccor18]

Quote: fif21

Maybe stop messing with people's ears?

Just a man at work

[Old electrician]

It is nostalgically pleasant to read the reasoning of a specialist in the conversational genre. How I attended a party meeting. Maybe stop messing with people's ears?

- I’m just surprised how right you are! Just from a meeting where we were told that universities are currently 70% funded by the state. Universities must earn the remaining 30%. This is not order! It is now proposed to increase government funding to 40%. Universities must earn the remaining 60% themselves. Postgraduate studies in most universities have become paid. Why the hell do we even need the poor Lomonosovs from the provinces? Graduate school is only for the elite!

[P]

Since the increase in the conscription age, graduate school as a way to evade military service has ceased to be relevant; it is cheaper and easier to move to another country. and there is no other point in being there and there never was

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Old electrician

Currently, universities are 70% funded by the state. Universities must earn the remaining 30%. This is not order! It is now proposed to increase government funding to 40%. Universities must earn the remaining 60% themselves. Postgraduate studies in most universities have become paid

The Russian Federation inherited the Soviet legacy not only in material terms, the remnants of which also came through 30let theft exists, but also in the intellectual sense. This is probably the most difficult damage to repair.

[VasAndr]

Quote: Boris55

Are you a Nazi?

I’m not a Nazi, but I can’t help but pay attention to the fact that some of the migrant workers have anti-Russian sentiments.

[Stinging Nettle]

Many of us naively think: “I walk past them and I don’t care about them, which means they treat me that way.” Oh what a mistake this is.

[VasAndr]

Have you carefully read what I wrote?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

..... And for us - hardworking Tajiks and Uzbeks, who work 22 hours a day for a pack of doshirak.....

Now it’s correct (sarcasm) to talk about them

irreplaceable eastern specialists

This expression is becoming more and more common without explanation of sarcasm. It is likely that their ambassadors would not be angry

[Deon59]

Russia has a thousand-year history, Putin's history will not last a century. He was, he was not, but Russia was before him and will be without him. As in that joke, Putin was a politician during the time of Alla Pugacheva, during which she had to leave Russia

[Igor Polovodov]

This mothball is about Brezhnev...

[Deon59]

Relevant in today's times.

[tkoh]

Quote from Deon59

Russia has a thousand-year history, Putin's history will not last a century.

You underestimate the modern capabilities of private medicine. I think medicine will be able to provide for another 25 years in power

[Deon59]

Well, Beadon is 10 older, and there’s nothing to it, he’s just stumbling.

[Kwasar9000]

Biden has a difficult heredity. They have all the main ruling clans there (the Clintons, the Kennedys, etc.) for a very long time, to put it mildly, in an incestuous mixture. So they fell into the same trap as the European monarchs in their time.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Boris55

What kind of brains do we leak to our enemies if they are not able to do what we already have? The answer is obvious - worthless. Fair wind to them and all the best.

extremely stupid logic.. if they are worthless, no capitalist even needs them.. and if they accept them, it means they are still smart.. maybe the problem is, after all, why did they leave?

[Boris55]

Putin is my president!

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Maybe the problem is why they left?

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

25-30 years have already passed - really

Quote: Mordvin 3

The twenty-fifth year began to overcome the Susana swamp.

First we think, then we act. As we do, so we live. Our perception of the World is formed by media that do not belong to Russia - they are not dependent on us, but on whom? They don’t sow, they don’t plow, but they eat a sandwich with butter in the morning...

Not all at once and now. What has already been done:
- Russia did not collapse (Khasavyurt, the second Chechen);
- the treasury is filled with money (Khadarkovsky, Sakhalin 1-2);
- the people are fed (agriculture is financed at 3-5%);
- Our army is the strongest in the World (the defense industry is financed at 3-5%);
- The Russian economy is one of the strongest economies in the World, etc.

What we have to do in the next six years was announced by our president in his message to the people. The message says a lot about education, the formation of our brains. This is the most important issue of stopping brain drain, which will be resolved.

Only in this progressive sequence will we build a new, independent Russia.

[2 Level Advisor]

Boris, I never thought that I would talk to the TV, but I managed to do it

[Deon59]

How many national projects, decrees, messages and every time with new re-elections promises, promises everything.

[Sergei_Bely]

How many national projects, decrees, messages and every time with new re-elections promises, promises everything.

So to promise is one thing, to control timely execution is another, and to find and allocate money is a third!

[Deon59]

Well, yes, the Constitution is one thing for some and another for others. For some, the law is not written, for others, have time to be surprised. Some live in present Russia, others behind the Kremlin

[Gardamir]

Media that do not belong to Russia

Why such a president who could not force the media to serve Russia?

[P]

so worthless that the neighbors are dancing at the rise in GDP by percentage points. yeah.

[AA17]

What kind of brains do we leak to our enemies if they are not able to do what we already have? The answer is obvious - worthless. Fair wind to them and all the best.

Dear, you are just talking nonsense.

Although the answer is obvious - the “worthless” ones remain in Russia, the “worthless” ones migrate abroad.
Sometimes you need to read various sources of information, and not just watch central TV.

"...Losses from brain drain from Russia exceed the direct export of capital - Professor Valentin Katasonov estimates them at $4-5 trillion. Nowadays, those who left are mainly raising the potential of the United States - 100 thousand immigrants from Russia work there in the field of high technology. Some Russian professors there are more than 4 thousand in American universities. 70–80% of leading mathematicians and 50% of leading theoretical physicists left Russia...."
https://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/557824

".... In Russia, a massive outflow of scientific personnel began in the 1990s, after the collapse of the USSR (see Table 1). According to estimates by V. A. Sadovnichy, rector of Moscow State University named after M. V. Lomonosov, for 1990- es. Russia lost approximately a third of its intellectual potential. About 20% of all professors and teachers left this institution alone..."" [6]
https://naukaru.ru/ru/nauka/article/28467/view

"...Another interesting thing that turned out to be interesting was that at DSP Innovations these developments were carried out not just by guys from Russia - they were from Penza..."
https://topwar.ru/236450-sovetskie-i-post-sovetskie-nii-i-kb-kak-konvejer-unichtozhenija-resursov-razvitija.html

[Mazunga]

science - shmauka all this is penguins with their eggheads running around my neighbor Zaven, he’s already 32 years old and he’s a handsome guy who hasn’t worked for a day)) four children, benefits, then divorced his wife, they live together and his wife, as a single mother, receives benefits like what holiday the village council he carries kits for them and recently he was hanging out with him, he forms a group for himself at once and will live and outlive us, he says that they work - slaves and I’m a whitefish shooter))) in short, posony cola to drink - to the West to serve the chifir to drive Rus' - to revive

[P]

You should remove the flag from your avatar, you are illiterate. The working people of the Russian Federation do not yet (no longer) have a fatherland; they still have to get one.

[gsev]

Quote: Boris55

What kind of brains do we leak to our enemies if they are not able to do what we already have?

Quite recently in Switzerland, scientists who left Russia at a scientific symposium shared information on which path the technology for producing microcircuits will develop. If Putin had given them the opportunity to lead nanotechnology instead of Chubais, then perhaps now China would not need either Taiwan or Canadian equipment for the production of microcircuits, but Russian technology.

[Sergei_Bely]

Quite recently in Switzerland, scientists who left Russia at a scientific symposium shared information on which path the technology for producing microcircuits will develop. If Putin had given them the opportunity to lead nanotechnology instead of Chubais, then perhaps now China would not need either Taiwan or Canadian equipment for the production of microcircuits, but Russian technology.

Yes, at least put someone. Without sovereign Russian lithographers, these super specialists cannot produce anything other than theory.
And a modern hard ultraviolet lithograph has 2500 patents from global manufacturers from different countries.
So I can also tell you a lot of things, but I just don’t have the resources to do it.
And these specialists do not have the resources and tools. So they left. And they did the right thing for themselves as specialists.
Our country needs it, then they will be offered competitive conditions and they will decide to return or not. In the meantime, Miller, Pumpyansky and other raw materials oligarchs have the same conditions.

[gsev]

Quote: Sergey_Bely

Without sovereign Russian lithographers, these super specialists cannot produce anything other than theory.

Without a specialist who knows the prospects for the development of the industry, well-functioning production will inevitably degrade within 20 years if a person who is far from the profession is put at the head of the industry, be it Rogozin at Roscosmos, or Shoigu at the Ministry of Defense. Of course, provided that this person does not transfer part of his powers in difficult times, like Shakhurin to Lavochkin, Dementyev and Tupolev, and Ustinov to Grabin. In 1991, a Russian specialist turned to the government of Yeltsin and Gaidar with a proposal to waste resources on the production of televisions and monitors on liquid crystals, the theory of which was developed in the USSR around 1978. He was told that Russia was hopelessly behind the West and refused. The man left for China and now this country has a monopoly in the production of operator panels, displays and televisions. In the United States, the last television plant closed in 1998, and this country can hardly independently produce monitors only for highly important and secret defense projects.

[alexoff]

Quote: gsev

The man left for China and now this country has a monopoly in the production of operator panels, displays and televisions.

In general, the Koreans are the trendsetter in LCD displays; LG makes matrices for a huge number of customers.

[Ilya-spb]

Wonderful article!

Everything is clearly outlined. I am a scientist myself, I looked into the mirror of our science.

There are, of course, places in the article with which I disagree. For example, I do not believe that the Nobel Prize reflects the success of scientific development in a particular country. How many Nobel prizes were there in the USSR? But the USSR is precisely a country with a high level of scientific development. And now we largely stand on the shoulders of Soviet science.

And so - the picture is sad... I know the situation from patents firsthand. There are very few patents. And scientists complain about the lack of demand for developments by business.

As for the very status of a scientist. Being a scientist is....shameful! Not prestigious. Administrative staff at research institutes and universities (directors, accountants, even cleaners) receive more than a researcher. And I’m talking about the regular salary. Grants must be counted separately.

This problem was solved in the USSR. For example, a candidate of sciences, a senior researcher at a research institute, or an assistant professor at a university received an apartment for free from the state.

About young people...I will say that there are many talented guys. But they need to be grown. And the generation of 40-50 year old scientists simply fell into the 90s. Need a chain. We need “adult” scientists who will pass on their experience.

[Doctor]

Wonderful article!

Everything is clearly outlined. I am a scientist myself, I looked into the mirror of our science.

There are, of course, places in the article with which I disagree. For example, I do not believe that the Nobel Prize reflects the success of scientific development in a particular country. How many Nobel prizes were there in the USSR? But the USSR is precisely a country with a high level of scientific development. And now we largely stand on the shoulders of Soviet science.

And so - the picture is sad... I know the situation from patents firsthand. There are very few patents. And scientists complain about the lack of demand for developments by business.

As for the very status of a scientist. Being a scientist is....shameful! Not prestigious. Administrative staff at research institutes and universities (directors, accountants, even cleaners) receive more than a researcher. And I’m talking about the regular salary. Grants must be counted separately.

This problem was solved in the USSR. For example, a candidate of sciences, a senior researcher at a research institute, or an assistant professor at a university received an apartment for free from the state.

About young people...I will say that there are many talented guys. But they need to be grown. And the generation of 40-50 year old scientists simply fell into the 90s. Need a chain. We need “adult” scientists who will pass on their experience.

The Soviet system will save you, but not for long. You won’t last long at copywriting and, again, you’re still constantly lagging behind.

We need a radical reform to disperse the fattened former Stalinist sharashkas and transfer science itself to universities. How it works all over the world.

[Ilya-spb]

Nonsense! Neither universities nor research institutes on their own are capable of developing science without:
- demand by the country and business;
- the prestige of the scientist’s work;
- development programs;

[Doctor]

Nonsense! Neither universities nor research institutes on their own are capable of developing science without:
- demand by the country and business;
- the prestige of the scientist’s work;
- development programs;

All this is impossible in those family fiefdoms that have now formed.
Science must go to where it originated - to Universities. Then there will be demand and prestige and programs. And pilot production will be picked up by Elon Musk as soon as they smell the profit.

[Ilya-spb]

Elon Musk is impossible in Russia. We have a high refinancing rate on loans from the Central Bank.

[Doctor]

Elon Musk is impossible in Russia. We have a high refinancing rate on loans from the Central Bank.

Tolerant. It's not about her. The laws are stupid.

On the Hunting and Fishing TV channel there is a series “Weapon Houses of the World”. In Italy alone, there are several dozen family firms producing excellent hunting weapons. And for more than one century.

Try to organize the production of at least air balloons here.

[VasAndr]

Quote: Arzt

And pilot production will be picked up by Elon Musk as soon as they smell the profit.

That is, in your opinion, science should work not for society, but for the bourgeoisie? Help them fill their bottomless pockets?

[MiVi]

Science may well work for society and help it fill its bottomless pockets. But she cannot do this “on a voluntary basis.” Because scientists cannot feed only on the granite of science. But society does not pay for the work of scientists because it does not know how to line its pockets with the help of science. And there is no country in which society knows this. What about society, even our bourgeoisie don’t know it. Our bourgeoisie became bourgeois using completely different methods of enrichment and continue to remain within their competencies. So don't worry. Our science will not help anyone, neither society nor the damned bourgeoisie. Because neither one nor the other needs it. Science is to them what glasses are to a monkey. Who will help science? The only hope now is for the defense industry. As always. Let's hope. Although...

[Doctor]

Science may well work for society and help it fill its bottomless pockets. But she cannot do this “on a voluntary basis.” Because scientists cannot feed only on the granite of science. But society does not pay for the work of scientists because it does not know how to line its pockets with the help of science. And there is no country in which society knows this. What about society, even our bourgeoisie don’t know it. Our bourgeoisie became bourgeois using completely different methods of enrichment and continue to remain within their competencies. So don't worry. Our science will not help anyone, neither society nor the damned bourgeoisie. Because neither one nor the other needs it. Science is to them what glasses are to a monkey. Who will help science? The only hope now is for the defense industry. As always. Let's hope. Although...

Our society doesn't know this. Steve Jobs knew very well.

[Doctor]

That is, in your opinion, science should work not for society, but for the bourgeoisie? Help them fill their bottomless pockets?

Science is the same branch of the national economy as trade, for example. Invented a smart thing - received a patent - got rich. This is how it works all over the world. It was like that in the USSR too, academicians lived in chocolate. Well, after Stalin, of course. He has a slightly different system.

[alexoff]

Quote: Arzt

It was like that in the USSR too, academicians lived in chocolate.

They still live in chocolate. An academician gets 400k, a corresponding member gets 300k for nothing, they can even live in Thailand and not come to Russia. Well, they don’t care that everyone else’s salary is lower than that of security guards, although it is academicians who are the loudest in demanding money for science. And then they come to their institutes in Maseratis and S-Class Mercedes

[fif21]

Quote: VasAndr

That is, in your opinion, science should work not for society, but for the bourgeoisie? Help them fill their bottomless pockets?

Under state capitalism, as it was in the USSR, science worked for the state (for some reason you called it society)
Under private capitalism, only the science that will help the bourgeoisie, state corporations, and government agencies to “fill their pockets” will live well, then science will also benefit from something. Those who do not understand this can continue to deal with topics that have no practical implementation.

[VasAndr]

Quote: fif21

Under state capitalism, as it was in the USSR

What is this for? What is capitalism like in the USSR? You are repeating stupidity after someone.

Quote: fif21

Under private capitalism, only the science that will help the bourgeoisie, state corporations, and government agencies will live well

True, but provided that the bourgeoisie needs it and in the presence of developed industry. It seems very likely that in Russia the bourgeoisie has a different task.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: VasAndr

.....True, but provided that the bourgeoisie needs it and in the presence of developed industry. It seems very likely that in Russia the bourgeoisie have a different task.

The Russian bourgeoisie do not want to invest in long-term projects. It was under socialism that the USSR invested in something that would not immediately bring profit ---- in people, their education, medicine, development..... The bourgeoisie are not interested.

[fif21]

Quote: VasAndr

What is this for? What is capitalism like in the USSR? You are repeating stupidity after someone.

If a country has money, an economy, and movement of capital, it is a capitalist country! Communism - from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Remember? Therefore, workers in the conversational genre wormed their way into the brains of citizens, distorting the concepts of reality, creating the illusion that they live in a country different from other countries. If ownership of the means of production in the country belongs to the State, and the State appropriated all the labor, disposing of it at its own discretion, what would you call such a State?

[VasAndr]

Quote: fif21

If a country has money, an economy, and movement of capital, it is a capitalist country!

These are your fabrications. Under the monarchs there was also an economy with money and banks. All this was moving somewhere. Is monarchism also capitalism? Maybe pay attention to the ruling classes?

Quote: fif21

If the ownership of the means of production in the country belongs to the State, and the State appropriated all the labor, disposing of it at its own discretion, what would you call such a State?

If the state is headed by the Supreme Council of People's Deputies, then the state is people's or, in other words, Socialist. If only the deputies lived the life of the people and did not betray them, did not set themselves the task of stealing all the people's property into their private pockets.
And every worker must monitor this and prevent identified deviations through joint efforts.

[gsev]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Nonsense! Neither universities nor research institutes on their own are capable of developing science without:

The achievements of mathematics as a science become in demand approximately 30-50 years after their discovery. Around 1947, secretaries in the USSR dug up a claim for the invention of an atomic bomb in the USSR, dating back to the 1930s and rejected as charlatan. Industry must keep abreast of advances in science and technology and try to apply them quickly. Planning scientific discoveries is like reading tea leaves.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Ilya-spb

This problem was solved in the USSR. For example, a candidate of sciences, a senior researcher at a research institute, or an assistant professor at a university received an apartment for free from the state.

Cleaners and janitors also received free apartments from the state. Doesn't feel like incentive.

[MiVi]

Why doesn't it pull? It's very tempting. Only in the late USSR this was too much for scientists and engineers, almost unrealistic, but for janitors it was quite possible.

[Good Evil]

Quote: Ilya-spb

There are, of course, places in the article with which I disagree.

In my opinion, this is a very ambiguous method of calculating the “relative number” of scientists, invention patents, etc. per capita. Nothing depends on this parameter; absolute numbers play a role for the state.
In general, the article is very relevant. The situation in the country with science is simply catastrophic. I think that creating comfortable conditions for scientists (salary, housing, utilities, etc.) would pay off many times over in the not too distant future. But the state easily exchanged the brains of the nation for guest workers. It's a pity!

[P]

it will not happen. The old people who received apartments from the USSR will die, no one will replace them. because becoming a graduate student, candidate, doctor, and so on is an extremely expensive process that no one will ever pay for you. Any young man or girl who is able to pass the candidate minimum is able to assess their chances of buying a home and having children with the income of the Ministry of Taxation. These chances are zero, especially in the capitals. So, either those who are completely unfit for work are rushing into this adventure, or the sons and daughters of rectors and deans, who will be rectors and deans, they will not advance science, or those who work on a grant basis, which means they will move out in the near future, i.e. To. grants behind the tape are fatter.

[Sergei_Bely]

And the generation of 40-50 year old scientists simply fell into the 90s. Need a chain.

How right you are!..
I call my generation 35+ “unnecessary people.”
They were born just before the collapse of the country, then the shameful 90s, then a time of timelessness. It was only in 2004 that we took a little breath of air; I am writing from my own feelings. And the country went downhill somewhere in history.
The initiatives of the country's leader concerned either a generation younger than mine or much older.
In the end, we got what we have.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sergey_Bely

They were born just before the collapse of the country, then the shameful 90s, then a time of timelessness. It was only in 2004 that we took a little breath of air; I am writing from my own feelings.

And I worked at a factory, and no problems in the 90s. In the 2004s, the takeovers reached us, and in XNUMX I felt pressure on my neck. So it feels different.

[Monster_Fat]

"Stop the brain drain, one-two!" Go to “hh” and other employment sites and look at vacancies for “brains” and everything immediately becomes clear - “a bowl of stew” should seduce someone?

[knn54]

Thanks Roman, everything is correct. I just want to add a little.
Look at the schools. The current graduates are much weaker than the Soviet and even the Tsarist ones.
Without a calculator, simple calculations will no longer be possible. A few words about candidates/doctors of military sciences There is general darkness there.
I remember with bitterness the joke - Karl Marx is an economist, and Aunt Sarah is a SENIOR economist!
Capitalism is outside the window, and this explains a lot. The loss of brains after the collapse of the USSR is like after the revolution.
And this is also a loss of continuity - teachers were movers and traders.
This cannot be covered in one article.
By the way, in China, a professor (a real, not lawyer, economist) earns more than a governor.

[Sergei_Bely]

The current graduate is much weaker than the Soviet and even the Tsarist graduate.

A highly controversial statement.
For during the time of the king, the level of technology was 3 stages lower and only the financially secure could receive a decent education.
Regarding Soviet education - engineering, I agree. But the humanities only until 1970, and then the fundamentals began to deteriorate due to the introduction of educational programs and textbooks that do not stand up to criticism.

[Stinging Nettle]

In St. Petersburg, a lady astronomer from the Russian Academy of Sciences was fined 50 for talking in the subway following a denunciation by Vladimir Sukhinin, a student who came to St. Petersburg from the DPR. For what merits Sukhinin was allowed to go to St. Petersburg, while ours were mobilized there indefinitely, history is silent. Could it be that he must carry out the denunciation plan in order to be able to indulge in patriotism away from the front line?
This is me trying to somehow justify this young man. As for science, I think everyone understood everything.

[Ross xnumx]

The most important thing is that the correct conclusion was made.

Of course, we will flounder on the legacy of our ancestors for some time, but really not for long. And then that's it. And the most unpleasant thing is that everyone who is guilty of what is happening to Russian science will calmly and indifferently watch it from the side. From their villas and houses they are not in Russia at all. They did everything in their power. And someone in the West will be rubbing their hands with pleasure. And we even know who. However, this is of little use.

At best, we can hope for “our everything” for another 12 years. And this “our everything” pulls its devoted but mediocre people out of oblivion into science, nanotechnology, and defense production. Yes...And there is no need to bluff here by increasing the zeros and ones by four. and in some places even seven times. There is not a single high-tech project. brought to life exactly on time. An entire Higher School of Economics has been built to issue diplomas and certificates of existing knowledge. Hence the dominance of “lice” people from science...
Just look at the topics of dissertations of our pseudo doctors and candidates... Okay, some people are preparing these dissertations, but who is this scientific council that considers this heresy a necessary, relevant tinder, a scientific discovery?
* * *
As it turned out, you can create a large interest group, you can create a political party, but you cannot buy brains, you cannot suck out the know-how that will make advanced science, economics, and production.
Bitterly!

[Doccor18]

Quote: ROSS 42

At best we can hope

The possibility is that the United States will drag China into some serious conflict, and the avalanche of Chinese goods to Russia will seriously decrease, so we will have to do something ourselves... But there is little chance of this scenario. Otherwise, nothing will change, a long and confident path down...

It's simple. The old ones die and the new ones don't come.

I see this is in everything: in healthcare, in education, in science...

[Doctor]

It's simple. The old ones die and the new ones don't come.

I see this is in everything: in healthcare, in education, in science...

Yours is not true, there are plenty of doctors of science in medicine, especially representatives of the Caucasus who are drawn to science, in such areas as dentistry, urology, gynecology, it is already difficult to meet a Russian. I won’t say anything about plastic surgery at all.
All that remains is to teach them how to operate.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Arzt

there are plenty of doctors of science in medicine

Very funny...

[vadimtt]

Yes, there are doctors there, but not just sciences, but natural ones
And they have their own academy - it’s called RANS ...

[jdiver]

no matter which direction you take, the picture is the same. continuous jerks and breakthroughs. and who did all this...

[fif21]

Quote from jdiver

no matter which direction you take, the picture is the same. continuous jerks and breakthroughs. and who did all this...

The archives have been studied. We worked part time. And the wunderwaffle is ready.

[tsvetahaki]

Problem #4. Science is absolutely not needed by the authorities

The biggest problem is that science is not needed by ECONOMY!
We don't need science - plain and simple. Doesn't fit into our brand of capitalism.
In order for science to be needed, it is necessary
1. so that factories are modernized, and not cleared for shopping centers. The money was not exported, but went towards the constant modernization of production.
2. There was an industry for the production of means of production - the same thing that modernizes factories. We won’t buy everything abroad.
3. These means of production (the latest machines or lithographs) had at least a comparable international rating - and were not produced using technologies purchased overseas
4. In order to modernize the notorious production of means of production, our science was needed, as it was closer and no less developed. And for it to be no less developed than over the hill, all the previous points are needed
This is called a developmental spiral.
And from above comes fundamental science - as the foundation and basis for everything else.

In undeveloped countries, there is just a little fundamental science (paradoxically) in the form of a small decoration on the state in the form of several universities - a type of charity.

So all budget expenditures - in the absence of a science consumer - are like beautiful parades, a beautiful state capital - for decoration and compliance with the rules of good manners.
Scientists, the best, do not leave for a salary, believe me. They leave for the opportunity to realize their ideas and see the results.

[Shtrek]

Scientists, the best, do not leave for a salary, believe me. They leave for the opportunity to realize their ideas and see the results.

I will support. The scientist’s homeland is not where he was born, and where he studied, but there where there are conditions to apply his knowledge and reveal the talent of a scientist.... This apparently is the reason for the departure of gifted people from Russia...

[tsvetahaki]

Quote: Streck

Scientists, the best, do not leave for a salary, believe me. They leave for the opportunity to realize their ideas and see the results.

I will support. The scientist’s homeland is not where he was born, and where he studied, but there where there are conditions to apply his knowledge and reveal the talent of a scientist.... This apparently is the reason for the departure of gifted people from Russia...

Let me translate for YOU.
My engineer (talented) went to trade at the market in 1993. He stayed there.
Very patriotic, of course, but...
Not everyone is ready to become salesmen, bandits, taxi drivers, businessmen, or even bankers. Even great patriots.
And in 1992 there were many more engineers and scientists than there are now. Especially engineers. Especially the space industry that is familiar to me.

[fif21]

Quote: Streck

The homeland of a scientist is not where he was born, and where he studied, but where there are conditions for applying his knowledge and discovering the scientist’s talent.... This apparently is the reason for the departure of gifted people from Russia...

Okay, then why is the Motherland required to finance science? Lomonosov was offered conditions in the West, but did he really leave? They offered Sikorsky, he left, but Mil stayed. Conclusion, the state needs to finance only those people who think about the development of their homeland. And whoever thinks about his pocket and does not want to bind himself with long-term obligations on the territory of the Russian Federation should not even think about counting on “goodies”. Return to the state the funds spent on you, and good riddance.

[tkoh]

Quote: fif21

Conclusion, the state needs to finance only those people who think about the development of their homeland. And whoever thinks about his pocket and does not want to bind himself with long-term obligations on the territory of the Russian Federation should not even think about counting on “goodies”.

And who will determine these people who think about the development of the Motherland? There are two researchers at the research institute. How to determine what one thinks about the development of the Motherland, and the other does not?

[fif21]

Quote from tsvetahaki

The biggest problem is that science is not needed by ECONOMY!

Or maybe the economy doesn’t need most of the science in the Russian Federation. Science has turned into a craft, and is developing in those directions that are needed by the state and business. So, ladies and gentlemen, academicians, the fingering was removed, and on the half-bent, to the C and D students - the masters of industry in the Russian Federation, and the masters of the budget of the Russian Federation. Prove your necessity and value of your scientific research.

[Sergei_Bely]

So, ladies and gentlemen, academicians, the fingering was removed, and on the half-bent, to the C and D students - the masters of industry in the Russian Federation, and the masters of the budget of the Russian Federation. Prove your necessity and value of your scientific research.

They made fun ...
I imagine a specialist in theoretical physics or materials science comes to a C student who has only recently taken off his crimson jacket, and tries to explain to him about increasing the wear resistance of tractor tracks or even tanks when exposed to a laser on metal. It’s true that we need more money for equipment than this plant costs, but overall the technology is necessary!
What will this “master of life answer” to him?

[tkoh]

Quote: fif21

So, ladies and gentlemen, academicians, the fingering was removed, and on the half-bent, to the C and D students - the masters of industry in the Russian Federation, and the masters of the budget of the Russian Federation.

Or suitcase station science. And you won’t have to humiliate yourself much before the masters of life

[Ilya-spb]

I would rephrase your thesis.

Businesses in Russia, for the most part, do not need the scientific process, they do not need R&D.

But the R&D results that a business can get are needed.

I spoke with a major owner in the agro-industrial complex. After the sanctions, he began to receive an imported product, which he needed as an obligatory component of production, at 2 times the price and 2 times longer (logistics gap). He is ready to buy this product if the product appears on the market in Russia and is Russian even now.

But he is not ready to invest in R&D. And develop it yourself. Like this. We are ready to buy, but not to invest in development.

[fif21]

Quote: Ilya-spb

But he is not ready to invest in R&D. And develop it yourself. Like this. We are ready to buy, but not to invest in development.

His problem is that he wants to be bankrupt, let him be. There will be others who will buy the technologies for manufacturing the desired product, order their development and appropriate the patent, or order a domestic enterprise to build a production line. Competitive advantages always go to those who know how to reduce the cost of their products.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Ilya-spb

But he is not ready to invest in R&D. And develop it yourself. Like this. We are ready to buy, but not to invest in development.

The ability to invest in development in the West is a completely separate type of business on the verge of art, with a bunch of specialized companies, each of which is responsible for its own small part of the development life. All this is allocated to a completely separate area of ​​investment. Therefore, if the entrepreneur does not understand the limitations of his competencies, we actually give him 5+ from me. Other people should invest in developments

[fif21]

Quote: BlackMokona

Other people should invest in developments

These are the intermediaries between business and science. This is even worse than a lawyer, between a citizen and the law. Other people will invest, but the entrepreneur will not get the result for free, and if his competitors also get the result (not for free), then he will not gain competitive advantages, and then why should he invest? Roughly speaking, invest in development, register all the rights to yourself, and it will bring you income.

[tsvetahaki]

Quote: fif21

Quote: BlackMokona

Other people should invest in developments

These are the intermediaries between business and science. This is even worse than a lawyer, between a citizen and the law. Other people will invest, but the entrepreneur will not get the result for free, and if his competitors also get the result (not for free), then he will not gain competitive advantages, and then why should he invest? Roughly speaking, invest in development, register all the rights to yourself, and it will bring you income.

The TAM development support system is a separate topic. A system can generally appear if there is a steady demand for developments over a long period of time - the path from research to product is long. But the system may not appear...
As for the “free result” - well, you are very far from the people and reality. People there get paid quite well for science and engineering - read about startup investing and preferred shares...
By the way, Pfizer and BioTech are a recent example of this.

[fif21]

Quote from tsvetahaki

As for the “free result” - well, you are very far from the people and reality.

If you read correctly, it says “An entrepreneur will not get results for free.” That is, you will have to pay either for the development of the product or for the product itself. The vaccine is a good example. The task is to create a vaccine, created, patented and entered the international market and? And there are several such vaccines, and advertising, competition, marketing began, and far from market mechanisms began to work. Conclusion: There is demand, there will be supply.

[Sergei_Bely]

But he is not ready to invest in R&D. And develop it yourself. Like this. We are ready to buy, but not to invest in development.

I have been waiting for a long time for the “owners of industrial enterprises” in Russia to come up with the idea of ​​pooling resources and creating, to suit their needs, the production of industrial controllers based on processors of the same standard size that are already produced in Russia. In addition, they will pay programmers who can honestly “communize” software, for example TIA Portal from Siemens, and rewrite the source code for their controllers.
And then train engineers for your sovereign industrial automation systems.

And then they will do the same with the sensors.

[P]

In order to change the situation as you want, you will first have to ensure the transfer of control over power structures from exporters of raw materials and their banks to manufacturers and exporters of high value-added products and their banks. I'm afraid that during the transit you will die painfully many times, like everyone who supports you)))

[Dutchman Michel]

where do the people of science go?

In very serious technical universities in our country, starting from the fourth year, representatives of large companies begin to hang around students, and especially promising students, inviting future scientists and engineers to work for them. Of course, these are representatives of foreign companies. Why? Yes, because there are very, very few people who deeply understand mathematics and other exact sciences. People are born with it. Therefore, the hunt for them is serious. These are not historians, not philosophers and not sociologists

[Edward Vashchenko]

Representatives of large companies begin to circulate, inviting future scientists and engineers to work for them.

Well this is from the realm of fiction.
Those who have unique knowledge already know where to turn for work.
The other day I was stunned by a very, very young man, I almost fell into a snow puddle. He says, everyone understands, in Russia no one needs scientists, except Lomonosov they don’t tell us about anyone at school.
Why be surprised about science: at the head of the largest universities, yes, that there are universities, even schools, there are not scientists and teachers, but people who have nothing to do with this.

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

Well, this is from the realm of fantasy

This is not from the realm of fantasy, but from the story of my friend’s son, who in this way ended up “there” for a salary that in our country he would never have dreamed of.

Quote: Eduard Vaschenko

Those who have unique knowledge and know where to turn for work

Those who have unique knowledge are told where such a person will be better off and help him in every possible way with bureaucratic procedures for entry and registration of citizenship. Unfortunately, our government is not doing this.

[P]

What difference does it make what they tell someone? If a doctor of sciences on TV, the Internet or in person says anything, sitting in a patched jacket, young people will learn a simple message: the old man offers to study for ten years for a homeless person

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Pandemic

simple message: the old man offers to study for ten years as a homeless person

Please note, respected homeless person.

[P]

a homeless person who has long been no longer respected. In the world of capital, no scientific status will cover up the holes in your pants

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

These are not historians, not philosophers and not sociologists

And not even political scientists... And especially not politicians...

[Fedot]

I read it somewhere a long time ago and remembered it very well.
The wolf says: last year there were apparently no hares in the forest,
but in this case it’s like a ball.

[Wildcat]

Actually, reading Skomorokhov is sometimes interesting, sometimes not so much. Sometimes - like articles about the bankruptcy of repair factories - there are journalistic successes.
But lately, IMHO, even in his articles (usually very restrained) there has been an awareness that “something is going wrong.”...

By the way, it’s interesting how the author’s views evolve:
30.09.2022:"Today, all social networks are filled with materials about those who fled the country with wet pants. .... just cowards. Yes, they don’t read “Axe” (that’s our short name on the Internet) and don’t care about anything I say. The Ministry of Defense stated that it would not pursue or pursue them.
In general, to be honest, it is logical. Why is there such human filth there if there are enough of our own, normal people?.... There is no point in condemning and pitying those who escaped. These are people of their era. They were raised this way, and it is unlikely that it will be possible to somehow re-educate them, as well as improve the health of Russian society by depriving the refugees of citizenship.
It makes sense to regret, as terminally ill people often regret and ... to make money on their cowardice in full." https://topwar.ru/202504-poplach-o-nem-poka-onv-kazahstane.html
03.03.2024: “Putin alone will not stop the outflow of brains from Russia. .... A “brain drain” from the country begins, and, if you believe the RAS, the Russian Academy of Sciences, and I don’t know why they shouldn’t believe it, then the “brain drain” is currently taking the form and the volume of general flight. In 2012, 14 thousand people left the country, and in 2021 - 70 thousand. These, however, are not only scientists, but also applied science specialists and designers. Well, what began in 2022, with the beginning SVO, everyone knows: “young” brains rushed out of the country, who wanted to do science and not fight. In general, young scientists expressed their distrust of the authorities with their feet."
Well, what can I say - evolution, the development of the author’s views is good.

But all this is sad. It would seem that nothing foreshadowed...

PS “The state policy of the “market”, so elegantly voiced by Mr. Medvedev at one time, has done its job.” - Hmm, is that really possible, about Medvedev? We must blame everything on the “damned 90s”!

P.P.S “We will flounder on the legacy of our ancestors for some time, but really not for long” - well, of course, not everything is so tragic, in the sense that there will not be an instant collapse. I really hope for it.

PPPS "...the most unpleasant thing is that everyone who is guilty of what is happening to Russian science will calmly and indifferently watch it from the side. From their villas and houses not at all in Russia. They did everything that was in their forces" - it’s scary to even think about who is responsible for EVERYTHING, even science, and who the author means!

According to SABZh, the processes described by the author will be accelerated for several more reasons. For example: a question for scholars - where is the founder of Yandex now? What about the founder of VK or Telegram?
And who became the head of VK now?
After answering these questions, answer for yourself where the ambitious winners of various scientific Olympiads will go without a “hairy paw”. Yes, and Sergey Brin seems to be hinting....

Okay, enough about the sad stuff.
Here's a funny joke about children "You can easily imagine a schoolchild who dreams of growing up, learning and becoming like Elon Musk. It is impossible to imagine a child who dreams of becoming Dmitry Rogozin when he grows up." https://www.anekdotovmir.ru

[fif21]

Quote: Wildcat

Here's a funny joke about children

Sad joke. There are no schoolchildren in the Russian Federation who want to be Elon Musk. Girls dream of being bloggers, or getting married successfully. Boys want to be bandits or businessmen. And only Vovochka wants to be president!

[Blackmokona]

Quote: fif21

Sad joke. There are no schoolchildren in the Russian Federation who want to be Elon Musk. Girls dream of being bloggers, or getting married successfully. Boys want to be bandits or businessmen. And only Vovochka wants to be president!

There are many people who want it, some even try. And then OP.

“Russian Elon Musk” was tortured, raped and strangled in a pre-trial detention center. FSIN presented death as suicide

[fif21]

Quote: BlackMokona

There are many people who want it, some even try. And then OP.

In the class, no one can interfere with Vovochka’s dream, not even Marya Ivanovna!

[P]

Elon Musk is a blogger-businessman

[Skif3216]

The author is generally growing as a person. at the beginning of the SVO, he published an article where he complains that he wrote 5 denunciations against a lawyer who calls the SVO a war and defends people protesting against the war, but there was no reaction, and just a year later, another article where he writes that about a good person, Some bastard volunteer wrote a denunciation and he has problems, and the situation with denunciations in the country is somehow wrong. About scientists, it seemed that everything was done for them, the SVO started, communication with foreign colleagues was prohibited, you can’t receive foreign grants, they fire you for not doing what you need point of view, the opposition, both liberal and patriotic, have been placed in prisons, foreigners have been appointed, the search for enemies of the people is in full swing, and they still have little concern from the party and the government. Meanwhile, from real patriots there are proposals to ban travel abroad, to complete an education of 5 - 10 years, but the most promising ones will be sent to special institutions where good people will take care of them and they will be able to calmly invent, everything like their grandfathers. Young people look at this and naturally begin to figure out which, not yet closed, border to go and relax for a couple of days .

[P]

not even forty years have passed. Well, it’s okay, maybe he’ll wake up after all

[Stas157]

. The decree states that this year Russia should be in fifth place in the ranking of countries in terms of the level of scientific development.

The goal is not high compared to those who produced galoshes. But, nevertheless, I would like to ask:
Did our breadwinner give us money for this?

[Doccor18]

Quote: Stas157

Did our breadwinner give you money for this?

And that doesn't matter anymore. Gone are those blessed times when almost any issue could be solved by increasing funding. Rusnano did not lack finances. Have many significant discoveries been made under the patronage of this office?

[UA3QHP]

Rusnano did not lack finances. Have many significant discoveries been made under the patronage of this office?

I suspect that RUSNANO was not created for discoveries.

[Gardamir]

I suspect that ratings matter to him. and not achievements in science.

[P]

BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Stas157]

. it is clear that Japan, which has twice as many scientists for the same population, will be ahead of Russia

Well, it's simple here. All those countries where there are more scientists than in Russia trade in high value-added products and produce goods with high added value. It is vital for them to develop! And the pipe economy has its own priorities.

. The status of a scientist is so low that only a janitor can compete with him

But our security and police forces are paid! Let them go there. Or go into business!

. about “scientific and technological progress”. Officials and deputies speak frankly and tastefully on this topic. But I look at the numbers and I don’t see progress anywhere. Only regression.

You will recognize them by their fruits, says the Gospel of Matthew. Well, we can learn from deeds the true attitude of the authorities towards science.

. Problem #2. The miserable survival of scientists.

Are we smart? Finally, explain to these scientists that in our country low wages are quite consistent with low prices in stores! Especially for eggs and cars!! Well, how can they not understand that in that same stinking West, all wages are spent on housing?? Do they really not watch TV at all?

[Doccor18]

Quote: Stas157

But our security and police forces are paid! Let them go there

So I see, on every pole there are advertisements for recruitment into the ranks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs...

[AdAstra]

I don’t know about other “security forces”, but in police structures, at the grassroots level (chiefs not included) are not paid now either. I myself witnessed a conversation where one boss demanded from another boss, who was smaller, to look for people and he was told that it was impossible to find people, no one was coming. There, in terms of personnel, they are mainly engaged in internal cannibalism, when they try to lure smart people from one unit to another, and also try to bring back their former ones.

[P]

I heard out of the corner of my ear that the personnel issue has become aggravated due to the desire to send on business trips and a complete, active reluctance to go on them

[AdAstra]

And before that everything was exactly the same. They thought that after they started, people would leave, but no.

[P]

A scientist specializing in something usually cannot apply his skills anywhere; there are only a few places available for him, or even one in the whole country. From here he has no opportunity to get up and go to a better place, which means there is no point in increasing his salary. We conclude: obtaining in-depth education in graduate school and doctoral studies is the path to becoming homeless

[newtc7]

GDP in PPP terms is the same with Germany and not in absolute terms. In absolute terms, they have twice as much - the author, as always, measures warm with soft without even checking the numbers and without bothering to think a little with his head

[Ross xnumx]

Quote from: newtc7

GDP in PPP terms is the same with Germany and not in absolute terms.

Why do you always come up against this GDP? Neither GDP nor PPP provide precise measures of the state of the economy. If you want, the inflation rate is what you need to focus on when making comparisons.

Purchasing power parity is calculated based on the price of a common basket of goods and services in each member country and is a measure of what a country's local currency can buy from another country.

I don’t give a damn that some German has more income than me. If I can live better and happier on my income, I don’t care!!!
But we are led to believe that their prices in the West are the same, not to mention the fact that our incomes (not all of them, of course) are several times lower...

[Bolt cutter]

they have the same prices in the West

I remember we were sorting things out here with forum members somehow. Prices in England were approximately the same as in Russia. Some are more expensive, some are cheaper, but this clearly did not cover the difference in income.

[newtc7]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

they have the same prices in the West

I remember we were sorting things out here with forum members somehow. Prices in England were approximately the same as in Russia. Some are more expensive, some are cheaper, but this clearly did not cover the difference in income.

This cannot happen because it cannot. After you spend ONE day in London you will realize that this is not true and you will forget about comparing prices. Everything there costs an incredible amount of money; it’s impossible to go into a banal poppy store for less than 2.000 rubles. It feels like everything there is 4 times more expensive, and some things like a taxi are probably 6-7 times more expensive.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from: newtc7

This cannot happen because it cannot. After you spend ONE day in London you will realize that this is not true and you will forget about comparing prices.

So he's from London.

[newtc7]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from: newtc7

This cannot happen because it cannot. After you spend ONE day in London you will realize that this is not true and you will forget about comparing prices.

So he's from London.

Then you need to come to Russia for comparison)) well, I lived in Europe for 4 years, when the euro exchange rate was 30 rubles, it was still possible to compare something with the exchange rate as it is now, the difference is very big.
Man from London - how much did you pay for the communal apartment there last month?

[Mordvin 3]

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Man from London - how much did you pay for the communal apartment there last month?

The question is not for me. But he already wrote about the communal apartment. And more than once. The comparison is not in our favor, according to the minimum wage.

[newtc7]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from: newtc7

Man from London - how much did you pay for the communal apartment there last month?

The question is not for me. But he already wrote about the communal apartment. And more than once. The comparison is not in our favor, according to the minimum wage.

Well, in general. Everyone has their own story, I lived in Germany for 4 years and the rest of the time in Russia, worked both here and there, spent money both here and there.
I can say that for me personally, in Russia I not only breathe more pleasantly, but also earn much more. And the standard of living (mine personally - i.e. this is also related to career growth) is not comparable here and there. I personally feel much better here

[Bolt cutter]

How much did you pay for the communal apartment there last month?

OK. 80 pounds is less than the average salary per shift.

There’s no way you can go into a banal poppy store for less than 2.000 rubles.

Is this a business class Mac? Even now, after the collapse of the exchange rate, a set of there - 800 rubles costs on yours.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

OK. 80 pounds is less than the average salary per shift.

In winter, my apartment of 63 square meters costs more than three rubles. About a hundred pounds on yours. For heating alone, almost 7 thousand rubles last month.

[Bolt cutter]

About a hundred pounds on yours.

Now “winter” is warm - +12 outside. so usually it’s also somewhere around a hundred English tugriks. And the minimum wage here is 1700 pounds, by the way.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

And the minimum wage here is 1700 pounds, by the way.

We also have something to be proud of. With our minimum wage, you can save up for a coffin and put your hooves away. And you don’t have to pay for utilities at the cemetery.

[Bolt cutter]

We also have something to be proud of.

You have a bottle of vodka - 300 rubles, and for us it’s almost 2000. For some reason, local witnesses of English prices remind me of this fact

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

You have a bottle of vodka - 300 rubles, and for us - almost 2000.

Let them make moonshine. At least from caramels, if sugar is expensive. I don’t buy vodka, moonshine costs 150 rubles.

[Bolt cutter]

Let them make moonshine.

The bloody totalitarian regime here can send you to prison for moonshine. And usually a fine of a couple of thousand. Drinking less is easier (at least for me).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

The bloody totalitarian regime here can send you to prison for moonshine. And usually a fine of a couple of thousand.

You have to camouflage yourself like under Gorbach. They shoved devices into radios, for example. Your people are uninventive, so they buy brains.

[AdAstra]

And even better "" ""

[AdAstra]

Alcohol professionals apparently disagree.

[newtc7]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

How much did you pay for the communal apartment there last month?

OK. 80 pounds is less than the average salary per shift.

There’s no way you can go into a banal poppy store for less than 2.000 rubles.

Is this a business class Mac? Even now, after the collapse of the exchange rate, a set of there - 800 rubles costs on yours.

Bigtaste price 6.29 pounds is 727 rubles
Price in Moscow 299 rubles
The difference is 2.5 times.
Lunch that I sometimes take at poppy (delicious, period) here on average costs 700 rubles, so in Britain it will be around 2.000

[Bolt cutter]

The set here is about 800 of yours. It’s delicious and there’s no point here, so it’s difficult to compare. But for some reason you don’t bother to compare the minimum wage and average salary.

[newtc7]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

How much did you pay for the communal apartment there last month?

OK. 80 pounds is less than the average salary per shift.

There’s no way you can go into a banal poppy store for less than 2.000 rubles.

Is this a business class Mac? Even now, after the collapse of the exchange rate, a set of there - 800 rubles costs on yours.

What kind of apartment? Some kind of social housing?
And what is the temperature inside the apartment if it’s 14 outside?)

[Bolt cutter]

Apartment - new building, 2 rooms (1 bed flat). I’m not entitled to social housing; I earn normally. Inside, it’s somewhere around +22.

[gsev]

Quote from: newtc7

Once you spend ONE day in London you will understand

A relative of a friend shared her impressions of the arrival of a delegation of investors from a European country to Moscow with a reception at Lavrov and Zakharova. Russian diplomats sent the delegation for lunch at a recommended cafe. After reviewing the prices, members of the delegation decided to spend their time searching for a cafe with more affordable prices. They were under the impression that the cafe owners hired M. Zakharova as a model to advertise their establishment. The beautiful Masha was photographed with the head of the delegation with the consent of her boss S. Lavrov..

[fif21]

Quote: ROSS 42

But we are led to believe that their prices in the West are the same, not to mention the fact that our incomes (not all of them, of course) are several times lower...

I would say they are trying to make you believe. The main thing for the Ministry of Energy is to crow about development, and for this you need to calculate correctly and present it smartly. The guarantor is not strong in scientific terms, it is clear that he sometimes gets lost when he hears them and takes time out for consultation. Who is being fooled - the people or him? If the answer is people, then everything is fine.

[Doccor18]

Quote from: newtc7

The PPP GDP is the same as Germany

And exports vary by 4 times, salaries of teachers/doctors by 6-7 times... We can continue to please the electorate with economic mantras about GDP...

[samarin1969]

Flash mob rules the roost here. VDNKh shines with screens, futuristic pictures....
In fact, young dreamers, having watched and pressed all this, will go on to dream further... some about the career of Dani Milokhin, some about the Mask.
Formally, education is oversaturated with “project activities”. Universities have transferred teaching the basics of scientific activity to schools. In fact, it turned out that “academic formalism” kills the desire of even potential Lomonosovs. Links, fonts, folders, illustration formats, number of pages and other nonsense are the main criteria for these dummy “projects”. This is not science! This is a "science game".

[DrEng02]

Quote: samarin1969

VDNKh shines with screens, futuristic pictures....

which is not bad in itself...

Quote: samarin1969

This is a "science game".

but I agree with that ...

[FoBoss_VM]

I see only one way out of this situation: only a change in the current system and a return to the socialist matrix. Take all the best from the USSR, supplement it with Chinese experience and, by working on mistakes, make a breakthrough. Capitalism is a dead-end path for civilization leading to its destruction. But I understand that with the current leadership of the country we can’t even dream about this. And to tell the truth, I’m scared for the future of Russia and the Russian world. A lot of things are said on the screens for a long time, but very little is done and something completely different

[parusnik]

But I understand that with the current leadership of the country we can’t even dream about this.

Even the leadership will change, you can’t even dream about it. The same people will remain in place. “We will, of course, feed you, but to change your brains, 10 years is not enough here. Maybe 20 will not be enough.” (c)

[P]

the system reproduces itself, changing the rubber faces on the TV will not change anything at all

[DrEng02]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

I see only one way out of this situation: only a change in the current system and a return to the socialist matrix.

It's because you don't know how to think...

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

Capitalism is a dead-end path for civilization leading to its destruction.

in China this is exactly what it is...

[P]

To begin this process, I recommend studying the materiel in the form of Marxism. First, learn the definitions

[VasAndr]

Officials very actively pretend to be interested in the development of science, but in reality this is all nothing more than an imitation of vigorous activity and a complete disregard for the president’s signature on the next decree.

Well, presidential decrees are exactly the same imitation of activity.
You can rivet wonderful decrees every day, being sure that no one will carry them out. Therefore, the real activity is the one whose results we observe: the systematic plunder and destruction of Russia along with its citizens.

[Shtrek]

Putin alone will not stop the brain drain from Russia

presidential decrees are exactly the same imitation of activities

Everything is like a classic. "The one who bothers us, ..... will help us" K/f. "Prisoner of the Caucasus.

[P]

each process has a class nature and the expression of a specific interest, yes. Imitation for the occupation of workers by schizophrenic chewing of TV crap and concrete steps in the interests of the profits of the main owners

[Nikolay Malyugin]

Much depends on the funding of various sciences. If the exact sciences are financed in the same way as the humanities and natural sciences, then little progress will be made. Scientists in the exact sciences require experiments and experiments. And this is a big expense.

[VZEM100]

Are there at least some benefits and real support measures in Russia for small businesses and aspiring entrepreneurs in the field of industrial production? So far, I haven’t been able to find anything on this topic; I see only a merciless bureaucracy and the ripping off of those who are at least trying to create and promote something by an army of slackers.

[pavel.tipin]

We should look at science from the point of view of a young specialist. A person has come filled with new knowledge, will they let him work for his career, or will his bosses privatize all the results?

[DrEng02]

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Will they let him work for his career, or will his bosses privatize all the results?

It’s funny to hear that a young specialist will come and, according to you, he already knows what to do and has ideas... Are you confusing it with the stage? He needs to be taught for 3 years so that he at least understands. what is he instructed to do and why...

[pavel.tipin]

From personal experience 40 years ago. I was assigned to a laboratory where they were developing electronic control equipment
for airports. He immediately suggested how to improve the image quality in dispatch monitors on cathode ray tubes. The essence is simple for a radio engineer: it is necessary to replace interlaced scanning with progressive scanning, since this eliminates the so-called. strings sticking together. The answer is complete indifference. OK. After some time they ask: who wants to speak at a scientific and technical conference? I say: I want to speak on the topic of replacing the scan in a television monitor. The head of the lab with the dog name Nord says: no, everyone knows that. After some time, he conveyed this topic to a senior engineer from a nearby laboratory. OK. I then proposed another topic: replacing the graphecon electric vacuum device with a circuit based on hard logic. Here the boss assigned me a co-speaker in the person of another young engineer who had nothing to do with the topic. After the report, the section leader said: guys, this is an invention. A year later I passed the candidate exams in philosophy and foreign language, both with excellent marks, but it ended with my immediate supervisor telling me: Pasha, you’d better be a humanist. After working the required 3 years, I quit.

[pavel.tipin]

By the way, the head of the lab was a communist. Regarding inventions. If the state bought inventions, it would not have enough money in Russia. For example, I still have a couple of technical ideas that have defense significance, but no one needs them.

[DrEng02]

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

By the way, the head of the lab was a communist.

So what? Do you think there were no fools and scoundrels in the CPSU?

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

and now there are a couple of technical ideas that have defense significance, but no one needs it.

and you take a chance - file a patent... maybe they’ll buy it... though you’ll have to pay a fee and an annual payment... if you don’t want to, then don’t...

[DrEng02]

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

After the report, the section leader said: guys, this is an invention.

So why didn’t you issue a copyright certificate? also 50r...

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

my immediate supervisor told me

just like that or were there reasons? By the way, why didn’t you pass your specialty and computer science?

[pavel.tipin]

Firstly, my immediate supervisor himself decided to defend himself on this topic, as for the author’s certificate, the leading engineer of the neighboring group posed this problem to me, he simply said that it was necessary to develop it, but for this they would not take me as a co-author, I was morally uncomfortable . Regarding the topic of youth in science and technology, I think that young specialists should be given specific tasks, deadlines, and guaranteed, if the problem is solved, to receive the next steps in their career growth. Young people are capable of a lot.

[DrEng02]

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

but for this they don’t hire me as a co-author, I felt morally uncomfortable.

prone to reflection? You can always ask directly!

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

I think that young specialists should be given specific tasks, deadlines and guaranteed, if the problem is solved, that they will receive the next steps in their career growth.

and in case of failure, dismissal under the article? And who will pay its leader for this?

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

Young people are capable of a lot.

When they teach her, and they don’t pay for it...

[pavel.tipin]

I agree, not everyone is capable of working hard; someone is needed to draw up drawings. But young people must have a choice: take risks or live like everyone else. By the way, only good specialists would sign the contract; this is an excellent filter for identifying talent. Regarding inventions, why is it pointless to patent. An invention that is easy to manufacture is used, the author does not even know about it, complex ones are doubtful for implementation, and besides, implementation requires administrative resources. For example, I have an old patent for a device for saving the heating system of an apartment building in the event of a heat supply failure. A simple device, I put it up for sale, no one was interested. Therefore, I believe that the state should buy up inventions and implement urgently needed ones using administrative resources. By the way, there used to be an office in St. Petersburg for accepting applications for inventions, but now there is none; take it to Moscow or send it via the Internet. This means that the whole world can learn about applications, including those of defense significance.

[DrEng02]

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

Only good specialists would sign; this is an excellent filter for identifying talent.

even funny... you probably have no experience in managing people...

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

Therefore, I believe that the state should buy up inventions and implement urgently needed ones using administrative resources.

it was in the USSR - it doesn’t work...

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

For example, I have an old patent

I have a lot of them, only a few have been implemented...

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

A simple device, I put it up for sale, no one was interested.

You need to be able to sell, including getting the buyer interested...

Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com

and if desired, the whole world can know.

by no means...

[P]

We live under capital, of course they privatize profitable things. And naturally they will blame all the costs on the worker(s)

[tatra]

Yes, nothing will happen like what HE accepted from Yeltsin, a poor, backward raw material-importing State, and this is what HE will leave behind, only with a Chinese “accent.”
He deprived Russia of Western scientific and technological developments, and the enemies of the USSR did not grow their own “brains”.

[parusnik]

And someone in the West will be rubbing their hands with pleasure.

They are already doing this. Pay attention to the numerous sanctions packages, or better yet, to the prices in stores, for example, the prices for cucumbers. Cucumbers are more expensive than bananas. It’s so impressive that bananas are grown in Russia, and cucumbers in Ecuador. Why? The seeds are imported, in Russia, only one enterprise is engaged in the production of seeds. And this is also science. About my region, I will say, under the bloody totalitarian regime, in every state farm, millionaire collective farm, there was an experimental breeding station. Then, the land was distributed to the peasants, freed from collective farm serfdom. The stations were no longer needed. Those who later bought up the land did not need stations either. Why? We’ll buy it. It’s been a long time since the road signs in the area with the inscription “breeding experimental station” disappeared.

[AdAstra]

Yes, in the village where I spent my holidays, until 1991 there was a whole private enterprise.

[Fangaro]

Thanks to the author for the detailed thoughts!
Mentioning many Decrees, the parameters of achievement specified there are not given. After all, 5th place is simply too vague an indicator.
And it is not scientists who are engaged in the implementation of Decrees, but civil servants. Whatever parameter they are told to achieve, they will achieve at any cost. Probably, no one has yet come up with the idea of ​​increasing the salaries of scientists, reducing their number by a factor, but maintaining the budget and the amount of statistical data provided.

[tralflot1832]

Unfortunately, the FSB of the Russian Federation is not as omnipotent as the KGB of the USSR. The FSB can only control the military-industrial complex and related institutions. Under the USSR, an ordinary laboratory assistant from the Stroyzabory institute had a problem going abroad. We still need to figure out who is being trained and where private educational funds are training Let's wait for the results from Sirius and all sorts of Technopolises - so far they are not working badly. But the painful question is whether the West will lure them away; for some reason we do not install an “iron curtain”, unlike the West.

[bk0010]

Quote: tralflot1832

about the painful question - will the West lure them away? For some reason we do not install an “iron curtain”, unlike the West.

The fact that they will not be allowed to leave does not mean at all that potential scientists will advance science here, for the money that scientists are paid here.

[nepunamemuk]

Unfortunately, the FSB of the Russian Federation is not as omnipotent as the KGB of the USSR.

The KGB was so omnipotent that it destroyed not only the USSR but also itself

[tralflot1832]

We survived as a state only at the expense of the KGB/FSB. Yeltsin could. After the words I’m tired, I’m leaving, call anyone a successor, but not V.V. Putin - the same Chubais. But for some reason I didn’t appoint him?

[P]

The FSB does not live on Mars, but in the Russian Federation under capitalism. Where are the profits in science? There will be no profit from science. So, of course, they can prohibit a laboratory assistant from traveling, and they will even jail him without any problems. But there will be no more science in the Russian Federation due to this

[Million]

With such rulers of Russia, we don’t need external enemies, our own will all fall apart.
Either out of stupidity, or continuing the work of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Million

With such rulers of Russia, we don’t need external enemies, our own will all fall apart.

Almost a quote from the speech of L. I. Brezhnev: “With such people we will achieve any goal... We have everything!
Brezhnev himself probably didn’t know how right he was.After all, back in Soviet school we were taught that the people are the creator of their History. And then we found out that the Bible teaches the same thing

I remember Yeltsin in 1992 said about Russia: “We have everything, even kiwi!”..

And only Gorbach said: “Our resources have corrupted us”... And after these words he ruined “everything” for nothing. But I understood... you can’t say anything...

[VZEM100]

these comrades are from another system

[P]

The personality of the ruler matters absolutely nothing. Change everyone today to angels with wings, nothing will change except the maintenance of feathers in the soil next to institutions, when these angels blather against profits

[north 2]

So if no one interferes with the “growing” of new, young “brains” in the exact sciences and the materials and subjects taught are not controlled by “authorities,” then the “growing” of new, young “brains” in such sciences as history, philosophy, political science, etc. p is subject to control, well... so that these young and new brains do not prove here that the turn from socialism to such Russian capitalism is a disastrous path for Russia. And if you consider that talented young mathematicians, physicists, etc.
capitalist companies in Russia, not without the patronage of the CIA, are still being hunted by them while sitting in university classrooms, and for humanities students the programs are written under the supervision of also foreign capitalists supervised by the same CIA, then no one will allow Russia to turn to the just path of socialism...

[ivan2022]

Exactly. This is not a question of brains, but of morality and justice.

[P]

Weaving morality into politics is a pitiful lot. Politics has nothing to do with morality, just like optics or chemistry.

[P]

To any Russian capitalism. This capitalism in the Russian Federation is not special and does not differ in any way, for better or worse, from any other.

[Gardamir]

Conventionally, society is divided into several categories. People of work, people of money. all these economists and traders. People of knowledge are not only scientists, but also teachers. doctors. Security forces - army and police. Entertainers. singers and mouth talkers, actors.
So, under Soviet rule, all these categories were held in high esteem. except money people. Now it's the other way around. Only those who bring money are needed, the rest are optimized. Therefore, science is not needed. In the end, remember the recent speech, and they named a financial plan for six years. Just money and that's it...

[BorzRio]

Roman wrote a long but true article. Many points can be argued, supplemented, but not refuted. But the most important, or as V.I. Lenin once said, the most important problem, is false reports, lies, outright lies from a lower-ranking boss to a higher one throughout the vertical of power in... Laos. Everyone knows such a huge country. In which now any criticism is immediately declared discredited and you face a prison sentence. So what about Laos? It is very scary that the President of Laos receives such incorrect information about the real state of affairs in one or another area of ​​the country that when you then listen to him himself, you are amazed. As a result, the people of Laos live in one, not at all joyful, reality, and the President of Laos and his entourage live in another parallel reality. In which the president is doing well with scientists, with scientific achievements, with the economy, with production, with the quality of goods, with medicine, with clinics and hospitals, with the army, with the reports of the Ministry of Defense of Laos, which probably only the president himself believes in, the only one in the entire country, and no one else. Lies in reports, hushing up problems, hiding failures and exaggerating achievements is simply a huge problem for the country.

[ivan2022]

Lying is a matter of morality and it is the most important one. More important than the question of brains. Because everyone absolutely cannot be fools, but everyone can and does lie.
Sin is worse than a disease, because it can swallow a people entirely, so that the people themselves will not even notice.

[P]

I suggest you treat tumors and the same appendicitis with prayers, this will be a logical continuation of your aspirations. Once you are cured, come)))))))))))

[P]

it has begun, we need to open our eyes to the king-priest of Laos and then we will live. We won't live. It is not the individual who rules, but the class. And he rules in his own interests. Are structural changes, struggles, imprisonments and disappearances in the ruling circles visible? No? Well, that means the ruling class is happy with everything

[Unknown]

There is no need to refer to the decrees of the GDP; there are countless of them throughout his reign. Just for March 1, decree No. 149 ends with No. 162. 13 - decrees a day, not bad! How much per year, if you only count by numbers? The point is how they are executed. Well, let's not talk about the sad things. As for education, the following picture emerges. According to monitoring data from the Russian Technological University (MIREA), in 2022, 4 million people received higher education in Russia. At the same time, every year there are fewer students: according to statistics from the Higher School of Economics, over the past 15 years their number has decreased by 59% - from 7 million people in 2006 to 4 million in 2022. In total, according to the Higher School of Economics, today per 1000 Russians There are 25 people with higher education between the ages of 64 and 304. This is a little more than 26 million people.Yes, we should be on top of achievements in science and technology ahead of the rest of the planet. In which the author is right, in a country of little people, with all kinds of titles, degrees a dime a dozen, the president himself has some kind of degree, and achievements the cat cried. In the USSR, with 285,74 million people in the 80s, 25 percent of the population had higher education and there were successes. But the prestigious one now is the Higher School of Economics, with 2022 freshmen enrolled there in 6664. Graduate School??? It’s good that they didn’t call it an academy. Over there in the states there is a police force academy.In second place is the Russian Technological University (MIREA): 6622 people. In third place is the Ural Federal University named after Yeltsin: 6194 people. Well, if named after Yeltsin, then achievements in science wait a long time have to. The most difficult university to reach is the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology: the average Unified State Exam score for 2022 applicants was 97,1. , at least there is hope, there are still mathematicians, physicists, etc. in Rus'. And then there are other universities with high competition - HSE, MGIMO, ITMO and RANEPA, where the average score is from 93 to 95. Young people see where the best jobs are, and they gravitate there.

Problem #1. Complete discreditation of scientific work and the title of scientist.

Elon Mack

no one wants to become, but Rogozin easily.

Such is the time. Therefore, despite the large number of students in the field of engineering, technology and technical sciences: 868 thousand people, a third of all Russian students, want to be officials , closer to the feeder. Next are jurisprudence, sociology, history, philosophy: 764 thousand students are educated in this area. In third place are medical sciences: 322 thousand people. The most popular is “law.” In total, 332 thousand people study to become lawyers. In second place is the “economy”: 274 thousand people. The third most popular specialty is “management”: 179 thousand people. Without lawyers, we can’t even understand the decrees, resolutions, etc., which the authorities just has time scribble. The conclusion is simple - the state stamps officialdom of which there is already plenty. If there were ~2.31 million officials in the USSR, naturally with that population, then now there are 5,7 million officials in Russia. with a population of 146 million. A state with so many different bosses, not capable achievements in either science or technology.

[Vadim S]

Nobody wants to study science; you have to work there, think, and this is hard. It was easier to spend the rest of the day on social networks and go home, grabbing a beer along the way. And this is how half the country lives. someone works with their hands, but again, many doubt getting a higher education when the salary of vocational school students is the same as after college. So I would go to do “business”, but I just don’t know where?!

[Bolt cutter]

in 2022, with the beginning of the Northern Military District, everyone knows: “young” brains have rushed out of the country

I read their forums and face books There was not even a smell of science and intelligence there. Personality coaches, barbers, baristas, crypto traders Scientists who wanted and could(that is, he was in demand) left earlier.

[GRIGORIY76]

I don't understand. This is the 24th year of government, and the second year of the “examination” of the authorities called the SVO, and what we see: basically failure wherever we dive, and the supervision of elementary problems is presented as an achievement. There is zero responsibility (hello to the generals who love to build drugs). And what do you think, such a government that has cleared out any competition will be able to do something? Well, yes, it can: on TV our scientists will be the best, and their inventions will be analogous. And yes, when the next wave of mobilization occurs, shout louder at those who are leaving the country, call them useless traitors.
The Germans shouted the same thing in the 30s, only 10-15 years later an atomic bomb was developed in another country. Look, if the scientists had been saved, in 45 the world would have seen strategic jet bombers with atomic bombs over America...
Scientists, even if they don’t like the authorities and don’t want to throw up their hand in greeting, this is very important... the Germans won’t let you lie.

[Bolt cutter]

10-15 years later, an atomic bomb was developed in another country.

Warring Germany simply did not have the resources for a nuclear project (I read that there was no sugar to obtain pure graphite). There were scientists, but not all of them left, but less than half.

[GRIGORIY76]

I agree with the resource. Brain drain is one of the reasons for Germany’s defeat, the loss of its status as a great power for 80 years. But I still believe that people, their personalities, their ideas are the main thing. And somehow in the history of the United States, for example, there are a lot of great figures, scientists from Germany, take for example Nimitz, Oppenheimer, Einstein... Brain drain and the result in all its glory. I don’t want to think that the same thing awaits us. But it is obvious that the wave of emigration of 22 years will, after some time, give its results... in the West.

[Bolt cutter]

The wave of emigration of 22 years will, after some time, give its results... in the West.

Here everyone will be shaved, drunk with vegan raf and confident in themselves to the limit . I read the pearls of these runners - everyone was waiting for them, like Ukrainians before, to be allowed entry into the EU and the USA. One gem - “I’ll go to the States and open a business. I don’t know the American language, but I’ll learn it quickly.”
Really smart people either left earlier, without any fuss, or didn’t go.

take Nimitz for example

Admiral, perhaps? He was born in Texas when Queen Victoria was still on the throne.

[Outsider V.]

Yes, Nimitz is the greatest scientist of the 20th century...

[P]

There are two tasks in politics: seizing power, maintaining power. It is not a single individual who seizes and maintains power, but a class. The exponent of the will of the class is its vanguard, in the case of the Russian Federation - these are banking and industrial (raw materials extraction) groups. Within the framework of political tasks, everything is fine with them, the problems that are indicated are not their problems in the main

[Portos Portosjan]

The example of Andrei Sakharov greatly inspires young scientists that they are all eager to invent something like this for the Motherland. And then just sit and praise a well-known address

[Maks1995]

Of my classmates (guys, I’ll point out) the smartest - three - are abroad
one - became a doctor - left in the 90s.
two - business on CNC machines - last year.

Of the children I know, two live abroad. One - for a long time, Physics and Technology, graduate school, works at Google. Another - recently, 2 higher educations. The third is a graduate student, thinking about it. Showing off, they say..

But the authorities confidently declare every year (quoted words in the media) - they brought in even more Central Asians with higher education, Russia will not disappear...

Nothing can be changed...

[avia12005]

We must honestly admit that in science, as in production, the caste of “promisedkin” managers dominates, who are accustomed to proclaiming future successes without bearing any responsibility for it. “Shifting deadlines right” while receiving huge, unimaginable salaries is as commonplace for them as going to the toilet for an ordinary person.

There are great doubts that these scoundrels are capable of fulfilling the tasks set by the President in the Address, if before this they have valiantly failed everything many times.

[P]

I haven't seen large-scale plantings. This means that from the point of view of the owners of the assets, everything is fine. If you suffer from this, or even, for example, me, it does not matter for the decision-making of asset owners

[Dedok]

The article is definitely a +!

the problem arose/(was visible) back in the mid-80s: when the opportunity arose to go there on an exchange, what I saw was not at all pleasing: the basis for research was at a completely different level, and accordingly the results...
in the early 90s, many of my colleagues left...no one returned
I saw this example:
third year, one of the students is about to drop out: he’s not following the curriculum at all.
in his group there was, say, a friend who was an excellent student and had a single mother; So this second one sits down and tries to coach the first one on a small range of questions, while shouting at him, my colleague, unable to bear what he heard, calls him into the corridor and says something like this:
“Today you are an excellent student, but you have no one except your mother, and his father occupies a position not only in the neighboring district, but also in the region - and after university, you may have to turn to him - about your work, think about it before like screaming."
Years have passed and I am a witness of this, I can now say about the results: an ignoramus manages what his father left him, and an excellent student, having suffered, by chance, first found himself a part-time job in a branch of a design office from Germany, then became a manager there, at the moment ( three or four years ago) he was persuaded to move to Germany where he took up a position in the company...
remember when LADIES went to a meeting at Moscow State University - the first time, and then repeated another unsuccessful attempt, the students said to their faces that they would leave, and indicated the reasons for leaving!
More than 10 years have passed - but nothing has changed...
I haven’t worked for a long time, but what’s happening at the university where I worked for more than 30 years now not only scares me...

[awdrgy]

I don’t know this situation, if it’s true that they vote with their feet... Well, we need to figure it out. He can pay them a salary of 500 thousand a month at the current exchange rate (well, that would be more than what the rest had all the time). And in 15 years there will be many scientists again, and maybe some will return. Maybe they are afraid of something? Then we still need to do something so that they won’t be afraid on the street... I don’t know, settle there separately from the migrants or provide security for them and their families... In general, let them do their best and not worry about anything. In general, you need to ask them themselves what they need. I’m a Trudovik, ask me what I need so that I can produce results, I’ll answer, well, they can answer the same way. Are there any scientists here? They’ll probably sort this out and in 20 years our science will rise again.

[ivan2022]

Quote: awdrgy

I’m a Trudovik, ask me what I need so that I can produce results, I’ll answer, well, they can answer the same way. Are there any scientists here? They’ll probably sort this out and in 20 years our science will rise again.

No, neither science nor anything else will rise..... You don’t have to ask scientists, this won’t explain anything to the people... Why? I will answer.....

I read about an experiment carried out by scientists on chimpanzees. Chimpanzees have rank relationships in a herd. It's the same with people. So, if you show a low-ranking monkey how to get a banana, he will get the banana. And then a high-ranking one will take it away. And he will eat it. Working and studying means no use.

But the most important thing is different. No one in the herd will understand how the banana was obtained? Although everyone saw..... Strange?

But if the leader is trained to get a banana, all the chimpanzees will immediately understand everything and will respect him even more....

Now it’s clear... To prevent scientists from leaving, the word “authority” among the people should mean a scientist, and not the leader of an organized crime group.
So there is absolutely no doubt that the day will come when all scientists will leave Russia...... And no one will understand why?

[P]

there is such a thing that is very attractive to various smart guys, it’s called legality. In 1991, there was legislation without a statute of limitations; for example, you can begin to implement it

[BAI]

What is the highest recognition of a scientist's merits? That's right, the Nobel Prize.

No, that's not right. Only representatives of the golden billion receive the Nobel Prize. Even where Russian scientists have priority, they are not remembered.
And people from Russia can only receive the Peace and Literature Prize for anti-Soviet and Russophobic acts.
The last example is Alikseevich.
Even Sholokhov received a prize for Quiet Don, when the novel was banned in the USSR. I’m not even talking about such laureates as Gorbchev and Solzhenetsin

[Outsider V.]

Even Sholokhov received a prize for Quiet Don, when the novel was banned in the USSR.

When was “Quiet Don” banned? In 1965, when Sholokhov was given the Nobel Prize? Have you ever confused Pasternak's Doctor Zhivago with it?

[DrEng02]

Quote: By outsiders V.

When was “Quiet Don” banned?

This seems to be another victim of the Unified State Exam

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: By outsiders V.

When was “Quiet Don” banned? In 1965, when Sholokhov was given the Nobel Prize? Have you ever confused Pasternak's Doctor Zhivago with it?

Once at work I found the magazine “New World”, from 62, I think, but I don’t remember exactly, and there was Solzhenitsyn. "The calf butted with the oak tree."

[Engineer]

Heh, I'll play devil's advocate

Russian science is an amazing thing. Low salary rates and the low prestige of the status of a scientist have led to the fact that exactly those people who want to do science and research go into science and research.
Another aspect of poverty is that there is often no money for technicians and engineers for projects, so often candidates of science assemble, for example, vacuum systems themselves, cheerfully twist nuts, solder wires, some have even mastered CAD systems so as not to depend on anyone. Scientific autarky.
Some will call this situation abnormal, but the end result is good and excellent scientists who can literally do anything in the laboratory and at the same time manage to do actual research. This is the elite.

On financing. The decree linking the salaries of scientific workers to the average salary in the region was formally implemented. However, in general, salaries did not increase; people were simply transferred to 1/10th of the rate. Scientists survive due to government programs to create something. Sometimes the flow of money is large and stable enough to buy a car and take out a mortgage. Now, for example, the flow of money within the framework of “sovereign lithography” is gaining momentum. Although the result is known in advance, some scientists will honestly do their share of R&D. Without irony, at least good people will get decent money.

Science and SVO. From my environment (near and far) with the beginning of the operation, approximately 20 people with the rank of Candidate of Sciences left. All except two are physics and mathematics. In one case, an entire laboratory left. Everyone left with their families, and everyone, naturally, found work. Two work at ASML, one at MS, the rest at startups, only one went to his father’s business. Draw conclusions

[DrEng02]

Quote: Engineer

Scientific autarky.

To a certain extent this is good, but then it gets boring...

Quote: Engineer

and at the same time manage to engage in actual research. This is the elite.

in their youth, and then run away to feed their family, or become drunkards...

Quote: Engineer

Draw conclusions

You are right in many respects, but some have already returned... I’ll say the banal thing - they are tumbleweeds, brought up after the USSR... Those who are smarter will understand after a while that they are migrant workers over the hill and will know what the glass ceiling is ...

[Engineer]

The glass ceiling is not just over the hill and quite exists in the domestic academic environment.
None of those I wrote about have returned yet. This possibility cannot be excluded, but for now they have a job, and a permanent residence permit or even citizenship is ahead. There is something to strive for. At least two have already bought a home

[DrEng02]

Quote: Engineer

There is something to strive for.

I wrote earlier - the lost generation of the EBN era, tumbleweeds...

[Bolt cutter]

"We bought a house"
In 2 years you won’t even earn a permanent residence permit, not to mention a credit history suitable for a mortgage loan. The first payment - 10%, not counting the money for completing a package of documents - will also be a problem, because although they pay scientists here more than Russian kopecks, they do not shower them with gold. Something like this.
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[Engineer]

For the Netherlands, persons with skilled migrant status do not need a permanent residence permit. You don't need a credit history at all. There is an account in a Dutch bank into which salaries are credited and that is enough. The guarantee is the salary itself, as in Germany. And there is no down payment - everything that is not covered by the mortgage is paid, plus fees and payments for taking possession.

[Bolt cutter]

In England, Belgium, Finland, France they need it - I know for sure - but in the Netherlands they don’t. Well, of course that’s how it is.

[Engineer]

Everything I said is Googled once or twice. Apparently for Facebook experts this is an unnecessary procedure.

[Bolt cutter]

The usurpation of power on earth by lizards from the planet Nibiru is also googled once and twice. I’ll come to England, maybe I’ll take a look because I have nothing better to do, but knowing how difficult it was to buy a house for my friends who are native residents of Belgium and Finland, I’m willing to believe you .

[Engineer]

That awkward moment when there is nothing to say about a subject at all.

[Bolt cutter]

Who has nothing to say, engineer? I grew up where you are not allowed, so I know what is here and how .

[Engineer]

Who has nothing to say, engineer? I grew up where you are not allowed, so I know what is here and how to tongue

Nothing new (s)

[Bolt cutter]

An Englishman deflowered you in the toilet ?

[Engineer]

Wow, no subtle British humor with a Poltava accent.
You'd better ask about the need for a credit history for a mortgage in the Netherlands. And also a permanent residence permit and a down payment

[Bolt cutter]

Riga accent. I just checked the need on xpat.nl - and the first payment is required, and the credit history is checked.

[Engineer]

You should also ask the grandmother at the entrance

Credit history check = checking for other loans and mortgages. As in all countries of the world. All. This is not America with a credit rating that needs to be built up and maintained.
Here's what one of the three main Dutch banks writes:
https://www.abnamro.nl/en/personal/specially-for/expats/articles/debitcard-versus-creditcard.html#

No credit score system
If you were planning on taking out a Dutch credit card to get a credit score, there's no need, because the Netherlands doesn't have a credit score system. If you have a stable income and pay your debts on time, you will be considered creditworthy, but this is not expressed in terms of a score. However, if you fail to make your repayments or don't do so on time, you will be blacklisted for 5 years.

According to the down payment. He's gone. Absolutely not
https://www.abnamro.nl/en/personal/mortgages/index.html

A mortgage is a loan to buy a home. In the Netherlands, you can borrow up to 100% of the value of the property.

But the mortgage has a general limit - 5 annual salaries, the excess of which is covered from your own pocket. What I wrote about

[Bolt cutter]

The credit card you are talking about in the first quote is nothing at all - the amounts are not the same. Up to 100% is not the same as 100% - mortgage terms vary from person to person. Take the abnamro mortgage test yourself and find out. By the way, the question on what grounds are you in the Netherlands is there - so it’s still important. Finally, the average salary of an ASML employee is 70000 per year. A huge amount in Penza - but in the Netherlands it’s 950 euros a week, which won’t make you rich there - a cook has 500, and a Romanian builder has 600. You won’t become a VIP client of the bank and no one will offer you ideal terms of the deal .

[Engineer]

In all cases, the kennismigrant case was considered

The mortgage limit is calculated from Gross income
Calculator is still more fun
There is simply no down payment in the ABN calculator
The minimum period of work in the Netherlands for an ABN is 6 months. A migrant automatically receives a “credit history” if this criterion is met. All.

Taken the minimum salary kennesmigrant - 5008
Mortgage term - 30 years, 10 years review period

[Bolt cutter]

It is worth noting here that the calculator does not give out the final terms of the transaction - it is still the bank clerk who decides. Once, a bank also offered me a 95% mortgage in a letter, but I went into the office and the conditions had already changed.
Only those who believe in Santa Claus can believe that there is no need for at least some kind of credit history; even your quote mentions a “black list.”
The methods by which banks protect their money (banks do not like to take risks) are the same in all developed countries - I checked it myself. Something like this.

[Engineer]

The bargaining stage has begun.

It turns out that an expat can easily take out a mortgage in Holland without a down payment, any special requirements for a credit history (as long as there is no debt) and a permanent residence permit

In the case of my friends, one had the letters ASML in the contract - it removes many questions in Holland, the other had a permanent contract. The amounts were 300-400 thousand euros. Mortgage - in the bank where they receive salaries. Work experience for a year and a half. Housing, of course, is not in Amsterdam; scientists have nothing to do there. Banks ask how long tax refinance will be in effect - one of the advantages of kennismigrants. In both cases it was 4 years. This suited everyone quite well

[Bolt cutter]

I believe with a year and a half of experience on a bird's license - running for a mortgage In Holland they no longer know who else to sell it to. .

[Knell wardenheart]

We live in the 21st century, it seems, and quantity does not mean quality. To cover our scientific needs, perhaps 250 scientists would be enough if we give them modern equipment, free them from unnecessary paperwork, increase salaries and improve working conditions.
The fact that 500 thousand people will survive or engage in low-intensity activities with zero potential for commercialization will not make things much better.
And the second point is that any creation and its quality is directly related to freedom of activity. The more rigidly a person is bound by administrative frameworks and an abundance of “don’ts,” the less effective his scientific activity becomes. A breakthrough is always a violation of a number of rules or work “on the verge” of such violations. We have a problem with this - we have a ton of laws and rules that prohibit anything or are interpreted in a florid way. Research activities in our country are less convenient than abroad.
We do not have objective prerequisites for domestic science to begin to increase its competitive advantages.

[16112014nk]

And someone in the West will be rubbing their hands with pleasure. And we even know who

Why not publish the names of these enemies of the people if you know?

[gribanov.c]

Back in the early 10s, it became clear that we were implementing a typically imperial-feudal model of development. There is Moscow, the metropolis, where the “ruling elite” lives. Everything else is insofar as. What kind of science is there? Who needs it? The elite lives by selling resources from the entire vast territory, and the population here generally seems to be superfluous; the elite will bring in the labor force. This is how the royal empire was built over the centuries, everything returned to normal. There are no people in this system at all. The people here are not the recipients of benefits. The people here are TAX (there was such a word). Moreover, science, but no one needs it.
Science can develop in a fundamentally different system - under people's power.

[storm]

While Putin will produce not scientists, but officials, of whom there are almost two and a half million in today’s Russia, and their maintenance takes almost 8% of the Russian budget, there is no hope for the revival of science, education and medicine at all....

In the USSR, the number of officials was 1,4 million, and their maintenance took 0,61% of the country's budget.

To return to USSR standards, the number of current officials must be reduced three times to 800 thousand people, and their funding must be reduced to 1% of Russia’s annual budget.

[Reptiloid]

That's what we're talking about. The USSR had a larger area and population. There were no computers and programs, respectively, and there were fewer officials and they somehow managed

[V Rodichev]

We have a clear bias towards military developments. In this field, everything seems to be ok, and money is allocated, tasks are set, and people work (no thanks). We all see the results in action, so to speak. In other areas it is sour... Very. Many talented young people left 10-15 years ago for the states and China for good money and prospects (I personally knew two of them, programmers from God). The second wave of outflow occurred after the start of mobilization (I don’t know what the percentage of young scientists is out of the total number of those who left, but there is definitely some). In this regard, what kind of progress in science can we even talk about? If the state does not radically reconsider its policy in this area, then we are expecting a third wave of outflow...

[P]

In terms of wheeled chassis, ship weapons, tracked vehicles, the level of new developments is very so-so. In terms of wages before the war, Laos was at rock bottom

[Scientist_]

Science must go to where it originated - to Universities.

How do you imagine this in practice? There are many institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences that are never universities. And what to do with them? Move the buildings with all their contents to the university courtyards? Just close it and disperse everyone?

[bk0010]

In general, there should be a vertical in which a doctoral candidate working for the defense industry or progress in a government institution, or a designer like them, cannot receive less than 300 thousand rubles.

It won’t help: their places will be taken by the children of “respected” people for whom dad will buy dissertations. They will take up space, but will not do anything.

[Scientist_]

Quote: awdrgy

In general, you need to ask them themselves what they need. I’m a Trudovik, ask me what I need so that I can produce results, I’ll answer, well, they can answer the same way. Are there any scientists here?

For the development of science, we need an order from society (state, business) for a scientific product (technology, etc.). Now they order very little. In fact, there are now many more researchers than are needed to cover the demands of the state and business, so they are leaving.

[Alexander Ra]

Where do the brains go? Not to Afghanistan, not to Chad, but to the “civilized world”. To the world that is uniting with the goal of taking over Russia. The “brains” grown with our money fill the laboratories and factories that develop and produce weapons aimed at us, and work for the benefit of economies hostile to us. What is this? Question for the main candidate: are we preparing our own destruction?

[P]

There is no “we” between workers and decision makers. Death awaits only the workers; they will bear all the costs, the owners of the assets will take all the profits.

[bug120560]

It’s better not to say: “...We have finally arrived at what we were striving for - we have raised a country of idiots. If Russia continues to move along the same course, then in another ten years there will be no one left who today even occasionally takes hands a book. And we will get a country that will be easier to rule, from which it will be easier to suck out natural resources. But this country has no future!...Time passes, and no one even tries to understand and stop the processes that lead to the degradation of the nation ..."(From an interview with Sergei Kapitsa to the weekly "Arguments and Facts". No. 37 of 09.09.2009)

[Ivan Seversky]

Well, everyone knows what started in 2022, with the beginning of the Northern Military District: “young” brains rushed out of the country, who wanted to do science and not fight. In general, young scientists expressed their distrust of the authorities with their feet.

Thanks to the blockheads for the fact that those with an academic degree were also subject to mobilization. Many left emotionally after September, although I did not hear that any of the scientists or institute teachers were mobilized.

If the borders are opened on the other side, a lot of those who represent something will leave, and it’s not so much a matter of salary. Here, thanks to grants, you can earn quite a decent living and many universities pay well, but this is either a work of wear and tear or an imitation of work, because... a lot of bureaucracy and a very heavy teaching load.
In all countries of the post-Soviet space, universities place emphasis primarily on self-study of students (instead of 17-18 classes per week as in our country, there are 8-10), which is monitored throughout the entire academic year.
As a result, with the same proportion of teaching staff, the classroom load there is 2 times less and there is time left for scientific activity, there are also the necessary instruments, equipment and consumables

[Ixian]

>>> The authorities imprison scientists.
>>> Also, the authorities - where are the scientists?

[Andrey Andreev_2]

And I know who destroyed Russian military science, the officer training system, the army supply system, etc., but I won’t tell...

[Hariton]

The fifth column has collected facts; they need to be known and the country needs to be moved forward, based on the truth. It will grind, there will be flour. There was a time when science was banned, religion and entire industries were banned: aviation, for example.

[DrEng02]

The author said a lot of things correctly, but superficially!
The first 2 problems are stated correctly, but not entirely accurately
Not only prestige and salary are important, but also internal motivation!
Where does it come from if, having switched to programmers, which is quite easy for a graduate of a good technical university to do, he receives a salary at least twice as high (and this is at the very start), as well as the opportunity to get an IT mortgage... On the other hand, writing a software product and bringing scientific research to the implementation stage are very different things, both in terms of time and costs...
But the existing economy does not need this... The Russian economy has virtually no venture capital component, but when starting a project you must guarantee that it will be successful, otherwise they might imprison you...
Problem 3 is stated completely incorrectly - it is important to have the opportunity for researchers to influence the topic and the possibility of receiving money for research, purchasing equipment... In reality, the Russian Academy of Sciences is deprived of a material base - Institutes, they are in the Ministry of Education... The Russian Foundation for Basic Research has been destroyed, the Russian Science Foundation is thriving, the main goal of which is to get a link to it in articles and the successful bureaucratic implementation of the project - without risk! Although it would be completely boring without him...
There is a craze for megascience - i.e. gigantomania in its purest form, and the updating of scientific equipment has practically stopped - although it was in the 90s and 00s... It’s interesting, but now it’s easier to publish a book in Singapore or London...
Problem 4 - not formulated correctly - science should be needed by the economy (and the military-industrial complex), but, as already said, now scientific research should not have risk and be carried out retroactively - money at the end of November, and the results and report at the beginning of December... And no corruption - buy everything through competitions, 30% advance...

[P]

I don’t care about all this if the overmotivated scientist lives with his parents, or in rented corners.

[DrEng02]

Quote: Pandemic

I don’t care about all this if a hyper-motivated scientist lives with his parents, or in rented corners

who argues ... however, graduate students are not showing off anywhere...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Pandemic

I don’t care about all this if the overmotivated scientist lives with his parents, or in rented corners.

Corner---- part of a room in someone else's apartment. Such an area was rented a long time ago, not during my lifetime. I don't think there is that now. But apartments, rooms - yes.

[P]

a common expression about renting low-quality housing

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Pandemic

a common expression about renting low-quality housing

I seriously doubt it, this is some kind of archaic thing. There is now another expression - room for daily rent.

the scientist lives with his parents or in rented corners

These are two big differences. As far as a scientist's salary allows this... Although, sometimes there are cases when a company rents or provides an apartment.

[P]

Promising candidates are also given a company car. True, this is an office with headquarters in Western Europe.

[Rhino]

Good day. Just an FYI. Salary of a leading researcher in one medical-biological structure - 26500 before deduction of income tax

[P]

The author's whining can be understood if you accept his picture of the world. However, the situation is understandable from a Marxist point of view without the frustration of incompatibility with reality. 1 the state is an instrument in the hands of the ruling class, more precisely in the hands of the vanguard of the ruling class 2 science is a superstructural element, like the state, the base - in the main relations of production and profit-making 3 the vanguard of the ruling class in the Russian Federation are the owners of raw materials-exporting VICs (Gazproms and others) 4 science in production and profit-making for (3) is not necessary, it is a decorative element needed in a symbolic form. The author should not whine about dying science, because no one has ever set the task of preserving it in a living form as unnecessary, science has been dead for a long time and reliably.

[DrEng02]

Quote: Pandemic

science has been dead for a long time and reliably.

If it's not a secret, are you at least a professor to make such statements?

[P]

I worked at the department and in development centers, my relatives were engaged in science

[DrEng02]

Quote: Pandemic

I worked at the department

assistant? Usually they know everything...
I remember the phrase of the unforgettable professor Preobrazhensky - about global conclusions...

[P]

The associate professors and professors stuck close. The departure of candidates immediately after passing the test was just as important

[DrEng02]

Quote: Pandemic

stuck

won't you translate?

[P]

were in direct access and constantly shared their vision of the situation and attitude towards it.

[Gromovanton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gmcIQDAPXY Песня красноармейца
They will continue to talk about the importance of science... On the one hand, it will reach the point, mark my words, they will run around with a lot of money, attract everyone, and in response there will be a ringing silence... And this silence will be the silence of the cemetery that our country will become , or rather her future...

[P]

and she is theirs, you say “ours” as if you decide something in her, own something and have some privileges. And you have none of this

[Iris]

Great article. Neither subtract nor add. More precisely, you can add a lot of examples, but this will only emphasize the depth of the tragedy.

[WayKheThuo]

Another statement article from Captain Obvious.
To be honest, I'm tired of it.
“I’m fed up to my chin” with these endlessly right-wing empty talkers who write tons of letters on completely obvious topics that even a hedgehog like me can understand.
By the way, I was thinking here, in the framework of Pelevin’s “SNUFF”, dear Author, who is a ganjuboberserker or an impatient?
But that’s just it – light banter.
Our science, you see, is lagging behind, Yo-oo-oo!
With us, dear Author, it lags behind and has always lagged behind in the range from 500 to 10 years, depending on the degree of Big Daddy’s interest in it.
The principle is simple: there is a task - there is science, there is no task - everyone goes to the fields, collect potatoes or weed bananas.
Peter the Bloody needed to build up his fleet and army - they invested in science, the Leader needed to raise industry - they began to raise science and now it’s twenty-five again...
Don’t you understand, our obvious ones, - the state of science = the state of society. If there are mechanisms in society, primarily market mechanisms, that work for science, if there is a practical, commercial demand for scientific and technical progress, this process moves forward without stopping and regardless of the wishes of the powers that be.
I emphasize once again that society needs this, the mass of people who see potential, quite tangible and practically achievable commercial benefit in the development of science.
A society “tailored” for commercially profitable technological development cannot exist without science. Western society is exactly like this - they became the de facto rulers of the world precisely thanks to the Industrial Revolution, that is, science - it makes no sense for them to issue a Decree “On the announcement of ... the Decade of Science and Technology” - from their point of view, this is a wild game.
Our society relies on science with instruments. And not only for science - for all scientific and technological progress at once, despite the overwhelming, amazing number of talented, big-headed, handy fellow citizens.
Have you ever wondered why all the achievements of the USSR, from household appliances to space, turned out to be of no use to anyone in the 90s? Not in the sense of use, but in the sense of development, improvement?
As for me, one of the main reasons is “if it’s not yours, don’t mind.” That is, Tupolev, Mikoyan, Yakovlev, Korolev, Mishin, Aleksandrov... thousands of them are just hired employees in the “if you don’t like it, get out” style. Not one of them was the owner of their BUSINESS - the degree of their participation in the project was decided by functionaries of the relevant ministry - that is, representatives of the state, and therefore, by and large, there was no one to fight for Soviet planes, missiles, cars and refrigerators, because it was not theirs.
Now the “statists” have woken up - science is urgently needed, because in case of defeat they cannot blow their heads off, but the problem is that Decrees of varying degrees of severity and formidability cannot solve the issue.
Here the mechanisms are much deeper and more important - related to the reformatting of social consciousness, but these are processes that require long-term stationary development in a closed, more or less homogeneous civilizational environment. For example, it took the West about 300 years to reach the proper level of public understanding of the need for science. China is about several thousand years old, minus the last 50 years, if we take the imperial period.
How far do we have to go until we reach this understanding?
And most importantly, what is being done for this and who should do it?
But the authors of VO don’t even raise these questions - it’s much easier for them to state the Obviousness with an admixture of light criticism... impatient, as it is.
I think so.

[Alexander Ra]

The proposed argument has a vague foundation; it is too bold to assume that capitalism is the main road of humanity.

long-term processes stationary development in closed, more or less homogeneous civilizational environment. For example, it took the West about 300 years to reach the proper level of public understanding of the need for science

-a hypothesis with incorrect premises, which does not fit colonialism, enclosure, revolutions.

[WayKheThuo]

You are right, we need to clarify:
1. Stationary development - by this I meant the virtual absence of raids by nomads - the scourge of sedentary civilizations. Rus' closed itself, without wanting to, of course, the West from the Horde. Khorezm fell to Genghis Khan and was thrown back centuries. China too - there was a whole dynasty of Mongolian origin, which did not benefit him. That is, stationary development is development in a more or less homogeneous civilizational model.
2. Closedness. Europe was protected from hostile civilizations by the ocean and land countries, while the base of Europe was the truly great Roman Empire. All European peoples are barbarians of Rome and they took full advantage of the fruits of its greatness - from roads to law.
3. Revolutions and internecine wars - yes, but this is again in its own, stationary environment - a lot of blood, a lot of grief, but in a historical perspective - progress.
4. When Constantinople fell and the Muslims blocked access to the weasels of the West to the riches of the East, the cauldron began to overheat, and then the lid was blown off, so much so that the whole world had enough of the “I can’t” - the era of geographical discoveries, the birth of capitalism and, as a result, the first NTR and, as they say, “wrap it all up..”.
The West has matured, grown, and strengthened, taking advantage of a fantastic combination of circumstances, ranging from a comfortable climate to the possibility of quiet development.
There was enough not only for science and art, but also for understanding the need to develop them for world domination and monetization of the results of domination.
So it goes.

[Ig sura]

To leave the outflow, you just need to first conclude an agreement with your parents, but when a young man enters an institute or academy, then you need a double agreement with the parents and the young man about the return of all the funds that the state spent on him and all the problems are solved at once, otherwise they think they are solving don’t understand what

[P]

then the parents also benefit from the labor of their children. But for some reason no one is in a hurry to do this

[Ig sura]

And you probably immediately became an adult and probably didn’t shit in diapers or diapers and didn’t go to kindergarten and school and then didn’t graduate from college or higher and all for this you weren’t fed or given water at home by your parents who became gurus right from the womb, this is a miracle from miracles in the world

[Alexander Ra]

conclude an agreement... on the return of all funds that the state spent on it

If you calculate all the funds received, it turns out that it is impossible for anyone to reimburse them. The invoice will be correct and fair. But culture, as the result of the work of many generations, cannot be paid for by any genius. Therefore, “brain drain” is legalized theft, the harm of which is incalculable.

[Ig sura]

Well, if there is no money, he will have to show his genius in his homeland and thereby partially return to the state the funds that were invested in his genius, but I don’t want food and don’t owe anything to anyone, but he should if he calculates how much he will owe for education in the west, then you have to return this amount to your homeland, that’s all, and go to your west like a sausage

[storm]

Over the past two years, instead of the 1,5 million engineers, businessmen, and IT specialists who left Russia, millions of semi-literate jamshuts have entered Russia for which Putin’s ministers are going to use budget funds to build entire microdistricts and villages in the Moscow region..
But for young scientists, engineers and families with children, the initiative to build free housing has never been voiced; the authorities offer them only a enslaving extortionate mortgage.

[VZEM100]

And all because we haven’t celebrated the birthday of Russian science so quietly since the very day of its establishment, since 1999.

and along the road there are dead people with scythes... and silence.

[Oleg Plenkin]

The scientific environment in the USSR, in its consciousness, already from the 60s...70s, was petty-bourgeois. It needed its own culture and ethics, its own philosophical worldview, its own social political-economic theory of social development, and therefore its absolutely non-proletarian ideology that dominated the country. And these contradictions between the scientific, design, engineering environment and the party nomenklatura were evolutionarily insoluble even then. Literally: Who - whom! The result is known(.
Even then, scientists looked with quiet horror at the desire of the CPSU to uniformly industrialize and scientifically develop all regions and republics of the Soviet Union. Absolutely without taking into account the natural, biological and social inclinations and abilities of the various peoples and nationalities of our country. 30 years have passed since the destruction of the USSR, liberal-bourgeois freedoms have perfectly shown the interests, inclinations and abilities of various ethnic groups of the USSR to engage in scientific activities and productive, skilled labor in industry. Where is their fundamental and applied science? Where is their knowledge-intensive and high-tech production? Where is the advanced infrastructure for its provision and maintenance? And “Russian” science, “Russian” scientific, technological and engineering design schools are yesterday’s nomenklatura, which on the fly changed into today’s “liberals”
and the “imperials” were simply strangled. The survivors are not competitors to Western scientific and industrial corporations(. They simply do not need a systemic and strong competitor. Therefore, what was created in the USSR over decades of hard work of the entire country was destroyed by OUR murderers in a few years. And this is not only destruction advanced scientific industry, serving, first of all, modern production, but also real human tragedies of millions of families of educated and qualified specialists(. What is the damage to our country? We simply became Papuans, exchanging oil, gas, gold, diamonds and uranium for glass beads. Therefore the salvation of the Papuans is the work of the Papuans themselves... All other “interested parties” will only express opinions, write “programs”, announce wishes, gnaw and sting each other, even falling into the abyss of History.

PS THIEVES, SCAMMERS AND PARASITES WILL NEVER BECOME RESPONSIBLE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY.

[Moneron]

smart brains require silence, peace, comfort. There are only two ways to solve the problem of the drain of smart people from the country.
1. create comfortable conditions here... which is not feasible for many reasons.
2.close the borders for them....like in the USSR.

[S.Z.]

I don’t know about science, whether we have it or not, I only see it on TV. But the topic of IT brain drain, which is close to me, is clear to me, and here the situation is bad, those who could leave - left, those who could not - are looking for opportunities. Not necessarily abroad - they often go to Moscow, there is work there. Not because these are some kind of moral issues, but because in fact there are not many jobs for IT specialists in our city, where 5 or 6 universities graduate specialists.

I see only one reason - businesses don’t need so many specialists. This means that no one needs them - the state is not the main employer.

IMHO, the same applies to scientists - business simply does not need them.

If business doesn't need it, no one needs it.

[Aleprok]

An excellent example of science in the Russian way - Rusnano and its director ((they didn’t even slow him down in the country when he was flying away ((

Now we have what we should have gotten as a result of deindustrialization and the collapse of the country in the 90s. It’s even hard to say what to do((you need to start by admitting the fact, understanding the problem and... who the hell knows((slogans are not enough, we need a real strategic plan. In any case, it will take years. For now, copy as Japan once did , South Korea, China, then we'll see. And invest heavily in the future, and what has already been invented at the moment - just copy, study and implement existing technology. Don't care about rights and patents, our hands are now untied

[tank64rus]

About invention. There is another side to the coin. If behind the hill there is a mechanism for introducing inventions, which the author writes about, then with us the author, let it be a scientist, enters into an agreement with the institution under which he is paid a certain amount for obtaining a patent for an invention, usually 5 or seven tr, everything in the capital can be more. Well, this is one thing, recently some inventions have begun to be implemented, but if you look closely, these are only patents of manufacturing enterprises. That's all. A scientist I know once answered this like this. Under Stalin, an inventor could, in one case, break through the wall of officials, but he could also break his own head, but now it is soft and the head cannot be broken, but it is also impossible to break through. Like this.

[S.Z.]

“If there is a mechanism for introducing inventions over the hill, which the author writes about, then with us the author, let it be a scientist, enters into an agreement with the institution under which he is paid a certain amount for obtaining a patent for an invention, usually 5 or seven tr, everything in the capital can be more "

As far as I understand, patent law both here and overseas is approximately the same.

Businesses simply don’t really need it and they don’t pay, that’s the difference.

[AppoloDiomed]

Quote: Reptiloid

I wrote below that it is unnatural for individual bourgeois to invest

In the above list of countries, capitalism and money are invested in science by the bourgeoisie.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: AppoloDiomed

Quote: Reptiloid

I wrote below that it is unnatural for individual bourgeois to invest

In the above list of countries, capitalism and money are invested in science by the bourgeoisie.

So I'm talking about the Russian bourgeoisie. in one of the 2 comments it’s about the USSR’s investments in long-term goods for the population and the country long-term prospects
Right now I’ll think about it, finish reading what was written above and write another comment

[goose]

In the Russian Federation, the power of bankers, lawyers, accountants and traders. These castes are traditionally not nationally oriented, they tend to negotiate, bend and get into position. Any other economic activity that is not of interest to these castes is suppressed. Actually, science, production, agriculture and other things that could compete between capital centers have been destroyed. This structure is not capable of fighting for a place in the sun, but only following the owner of the herd - a club of multinational corporations. Until this structure of power changes under the threat of destruction from the outside, there will be no education, science and production, because... they will create competitive capital, and, secondarily, a political competitor.

[VZEM100]

all of the above serve the cops

[Stenolaz]

Putin alone, of course, will not stop. The brains must also want to stop. The owners of brains are too greedy for the Western.

[deathtiny]

wild mess... “there are few scientists” and “no matter who you spit at - a doctor of sciences”...
“you have to give a lot of money + prestige + voice”, but it doesn’t fit in with the real return...

where new developments are in demand, the very private RosAtom, SIBUR, Severstal, NLMK have opened their own corporate R&D centers, producing new polymers, improving processes and equipment in metallurgy. But yes, they are not called “research associates” there, they don’t write articles for journals, they don’t present themselves with pretentiousness at symposiums, but they just do something that pays off, mind you...
There are a lot of “garage kulibins”, as the last 2 years with the “drone revolution” have shown. Know, choose and put their helicopters into production.

Once again: where there is potential for profitable developments, be it in private corporations or on government orders, smart people come on board, and the work goes on. And where you don’t need it for nothing... then you don’t need it! ))

[Igor Rusa]

Thanks to the author for the article and the statistics provided. My nephew was involved in the science of art, and what the author writes, the nephew literally told him verbatim. Well, I thought that art, culture, the humanities were in the order of things, it had always been like this, but it turns out that science as a whole is in a deplorable state. And yet, in order to achieve something in science, you need to publish in scientific publications, again at your own expense, which not every young scientist can afford. And my son graduated with honors from the capital’s technical university, and doesn’t even think about science. Regarding statistics, the author cites. Russia spends 6 million US dollars on various research and development, occupying tenth place. But the question is, how many actually reach science? Let's start with this: 49. About 9% of the funding is immediately returned in the form of taxes. 1. 10% of the scientists’ salary is also returned to the state. 2. The salaries of effective top managers from science like A. Chubais are orders of magnitude higher than ordinary salaries, especially young ones. 13. Scientific congresses, forums, conferences, etc. , also probably comes from these 3 million dollars. 4. Using budget money from projects that cannot be implemented in advance, etc. Taking into account the above, about $49,9 million will be spent purely on science. If this data is available, then it would be nice if the author calculated how much actually goes to science. And the author asks, “Inventions and patents alone (an indicator of the success of scientific work) can be measured, right?” I will allow you to doubt. And what inventions and patents can science have in the field of art, culture, and the humanities, and is this also science? Although there must be some kind of efficiency from investments.

[P]

in order for the development to be registered, the author and assistants are numbered third and further in it, with corresponding financial consequences

[nordscout]

The topic raised by Mr. Skomorokhov is relevant and very “appropriate”... And the solution to THIS PROBLEM lies on the “surface of current existence” and can be expressed in one phrase from the once popular TV commercial, where the Emperor - Nicholas I is “involved” , a swan and a soldier clipping the swan's wings. When the Emperor asked why he was doing this, the answer was simple, in line with some comments on this topic: “So as not to fly away!” The Emperor’s answer to the soldier is brilliant and simple: “Feed better, then he won’t fly away!” If we interpret what has been said, then in the words of the Emperor the answer to the question regarding the role and place of science in Russia and its revival. And here, it is necessary to add the responsibility of managers at all levels for making decisions, especially personnel and financial ones, protecting academic and applied science from the “effective managers”, sons, daughters and mistresses of the new Russian “boyars”... And, of course, tightening the laws for embezzlement, bribery, nepotism and failure to fulfill the orders of the Supreme Commander on time and failure to comply with the state. orders...

[P]

laws of any quality do not make any sense, because are executed in the interests of the parasitic class. These interests are realized in the absence of laws and in direct contradiction to them. So we conclude: the interests of the ruling class have absolute priority over the law. This means that if you want to change the situation, you will have to change the ruling class

[ivan2022]

The ruling class makes laws for itself. There is no point in him being ashamed of them.

Laws were not enforced only in the USSR, because slaves do not care about all the laws, even if they are in their own interests. They are still waiting for the Master to arrive. There is a Master - why bother with laws?

[P]

“A slave whose mouth waters when he smugly describes the delights of slave life and admires his kind and good master is a slave, a boor.” Lenin PSS t16 s40
don't be rude

[Angry_Soviet_Zionist]

“...Well, everyone knows what started in 2022, with the beginning of the Northern Military District: “young” brains rushed out of the country, who wanted to do science and not fight. In general, young scientists expressed their distrust of the authorities with their feet...”

In the battles for Mariupol, the entire Donetsk Philharmonic was almost completely lost. (Mobilized.)
(If these are false rumors, please refute them.)

Well, which of the older musicians are warriors?!!..
Even during the Second World War, Comrade STALIN gave artists of this level reservations...
Or he used them in his specialty - in Agitation Brigades..., where the artists WAS A REAL AND HUGE BENEFIT.

Not quite “on topic”... but, nevertheless, there are analogies...

Well, why on earth are they young and talented (perhaps some are super-talented), especially since all their adult lives they HAVE BEEN DRAWN into their ears - vile oligarchic lies and nonsense that the Russian Federation and the Collective West have "everything way", "a world without borders", etc., etc... - must be driven into the trenches, where there is a very high probability that their brilliant brains will be knocked out at the very first clash...

No! I agree that if mobilized, they will be used “for their intended purpose,” that is, in the development of new weapons (say, in military research institutes), communication systems and combat organization, in the end, the most suitable ones will be sent to officer courses.. After all, INTELLIGENT and FAST-BREAKING officers are always needed in the army and are worth their weight in Gold! (Especially in the Artillery, Missile Forces and Aerospace Forces...)

But something tells me that this “number” is unlikely to work with our military...
That is, most likely future scientific luminaries will be easily pushed into the trenches or sent into some kind of frontal assault...

Therefore, personally, I have no desire to somehow condemn these guys...

[P]

the guys have learned capitalist relations firsthand and, like diligent students, send away everyone who offers something unprofitable

[Chack wessel]

Quote:"
Well, on April 25, 2022, the President signs the Decree “On the Declaration of the Decade of Science and Technology in the Russian Federation.”

First, let the Guarantor put the May Decrees into practice, otherwise everyone has long ago hammered the bolt on his decrees, and they even disdain to use these decrees for their intended purpose.