Extremist Navalny – time to live and time to die

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Extremist Navalny – time to live and time to die
The last lifetime photo of extremist Navalny


No time to die


Discrediting Russia in all areas has already become the norm for Western society. This was how it was before the start of the special operation, this is how it is now, and there is no reason to believe that anything will improve in the future.



The arsenal of the state’s opponents is extensive – from outright fakes about the Russian Army to the politicization of criminal trials. We are talking about Alexei Navalny, who is included in the list of extremists and terrorists.

The man openly called for rebellion and civil war, but he continues to be called a “prisoner of conscience.” A discussion of the nature of Navalny’s activities is not included in the scope of this material; the version of the death of the convict looks much more interesting.

The conditions in which the 47-year-old prisoner was kept cannot be called mild. After all, the correctional colony No. 3 of the Department of the Federal Penitentiary Service for the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, near Labytnangi, is a rather harsh place. The zone beyond the Arctic Circle, permafrost all around - even if the thought of escaping comes, the local frosts will instantly cool them down. Navalny was transferred to a special regime colony, better known as Polar Wolf, in December last year.

According to official information, the extremist died on February 16 of this year. It is too premature to talk about the true cause of death - even the announced diagnosis of thrombosis cannot be made without an autopsy. The unknown and a strange coincidence of circumstances lead to thoughts that at first glance seem fantastic. But this is only at first glance.


First of all, it is necessary to understand that “Polar Wolf,” although an unpleasant place, is not a death camp, as some people are trying to make the colony out to be. For example, another “prisoner of conscience,” Platon Lebedev, quite safely spent several years of his eight-year sentence in IK-3. They say that the former chairman of the board of directors of Menatep was even re-educated on local exotics.

Navalny's conditions of detention were not extraordinary. He appeared on video, and the prisoner's appearance did not arouse suspicion. A completely healthy man in a neat prison uniform. A few days before his death, the prisoner appeared in front of video cameras and even managed to address the judge:

“I will send you my personal account number so that you can use your huge salary as a federal judge to warm up my account. Because I'm running out of money. And thanks to your decision, they will end even faster. So send it."

Navalny was cheerful and even managed to joke. Therefore, there is no reason to talk about death due to detention conditions.

Paradoxically in stories The death of the prisoner "Polar Wolf" looks like an instant reaction from the Western media. It was as if they were keeping a magnifying glass on the situation in the distant village of Kharp in the vicinity of Labytnanga. As soon as the first news of Navalny’s death appeared, tabloids from young to old immediately burst into accusations against the Kremlin.

Did you wait and hope?

CNN, for example, commented:

"We don't know if the Kremlin had a hand in his death, but they certainly failed in their duty to care for their most famous prisoner."

Reporters abroad completely forgot that people are actually mortal and can die even at such a relatively young age. Navalny probably should have appeared on camera in a tailcoat, drinking champagne and snacking on crabs. Then the Western establishment would be satisfied.

Not just fantasy


Why not get creative?

Don’t play conspiracy theories, but consider all options, even if they are unlikely. For example, that Navalny’s death coincided with Zelensky’s visit to Munich for another theatrical production. It was called a security conference and could lead to some shifts in Western policy in Ukraine. For example, throwing several billion dollars into Kyiv coupled with joining NATO. Or at least becoming a candidate member of the alliance.

The interests of Bandera’s supporters are completely bad in Washington. The Republican-majority Senate does not intend to consider a $60 billion aid package for Ukraine.

A powerful reason was urgently needed to stir up intractable sponsors.

Everyone is already tired of the now classic provocations on the front line. Yes, some missile from the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ storage facilities could still hit its own residential building, but it would not have the desired effect in the West. First of all, I'm tired of it. Secondly, Bandera’s followers themselves are destroying the remnants of European self-pity by shelling civilians in Belgorod, not to mention the cities of Donbass.

Therefore, Zelensky urgently needed a sacred sacrifice. Macron was a good fit, intending to come to Kyiv in mid-February, but changed his mind in time. More precisely, he refused the visit for “security reasons.” They say that Ukrainian diplomats spectacularly “fell off their chairs.”

And then Navalny dies. Someone tell me where is the polar Kharp and where is Zelensky? And he will be right, no doubt.

But two days before February 16, his lawyer Leonid Solovyov came to the prisoner. It seems to be a completely routine event, but it seems to be a visit from a person capable of bringing the necessary means to finally resolve the issue.

Whatever one may say, the West did not need a living Navalny. We know from the case of the Skripals in 2018 that we know what provocations and sacrifices they are willing to make abroad to discredit the Russian leadership. The murder of Navalny in a maximum security colony is incomparably more difficult, but not impossible.

The very fact of the extremist’s quick transfer to Polar Owl also cannot be discounted. It’s a seditious thought, but what if the security agencies knew about Navalny’s impending death at the hands of Western intelligence services and hid the criminal away? They didn’t protect us from imported adversaries, it turns out.


Now Navalny’s widow, Yulia, surprisingly arrived at the Munich conference on time, and later decided to continue the work of the deceased.

A lively and vigorous Navalny was beneficial to Russia. This is a great unit for exchange.

The first reasons for such thoughts came from Germany. Bild writes about the upcoming exchange of Navalny for Russian Vadim Krasikov. Our man is now in a German prison on charges of murdering Zelimkhan Khangoshvili. The latter is notorious for numerous war crimes during the first Chechen campaign.

It is impossible to say how true Bild's version of the failed exchange is. But it surprisingly contrasts with the total accusations of the Kremlin in the West.
Despite all of the above, fantastic versions provide only food for thought.

A strict scientific approach forces us to turn to Occam’s razor, which rightly states that “one should not multiply existing things unnecessarily.” Since it so happened that Alexei Navalny died in a colony, then we should look for the simplest explanation for what happened.

But it is on the surface and has nothing to do with politics.

This is from the field of medicine - for every person on Earth the time comes to die. For some it is earlier, for others it is later. Navalny's sentence came to 47 years. Albeit too timely for Western opponents.
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  1. +19
    23 February 2024 04: 26
    What prevents the authorities from promptly conducting an autopsy and releasing the mother’s body for burial?
    1. -17
      23 February 2024 04: 51
      Why should someone quickly fuss, who is Navalny anyway!? Too much attention to his person!
      1. +12
        23 February 2024 04: 57
        Usually the examination takes place in one day, on the second, third they are buried. And delaying the deadlines is just giving the enemies a reason for an information war.
        1. -13
          23 February 2024 05: 40
          And why be surprised, knowing our bureaucracy. Listen, usually all these matters are dealt with by relatives, relatives or friends... And here a man died in the middle of nowhere, Who in this zone will fuss to take the body of the deceased somewhere and, most importantly, at whose expense. The mother, due to her age, apparently cannot do it for her wife... she is promoting herself, but it seems like she had no friends. Personally, this is how I see it all!
          1. +16
            23 February 2024 11: 51
            Quote: Mussashi
            "Polar Wolf", although an unpleasant place, is not a death camp

            This is where I disagree. Penitentiary institutions are a walk-through yard where anyone can enter and do anything. The case of Kadyrov, who came to the bullpen with impunity and unhindered, accompanied by his underage son and a cameraman to beat the stupid Zhuravel, clearly showed this. Has anyone at least reprimanded these scoundrels? No. Did the authorities condemn the beating? No. On the contrary, persecution of journalists and human rights activists began, and they were immediately labeled.
            Navalny was cheerful and even managed to joke
            What kind of jokes are there? This is a bitter irony.
            Generally speaking, there are plenty of strange deaths in our recent history. Military personnel caught stealing prefer to fall out of barred windows into the courtyard of the pre-trial detention center, and civilians are killed by criminals who happen to be nearby - and everything happens before the surrender of their accomplices. Governors (say, Lebed and Evdokimov) prefer helicopters. Among helicopter pilots, it is already considered a bad omen to transport governors. Doctor Fedorov also gasped with a helicopter - and, what a coincidence, just when he got into big politics. Against this background, the case with the management of Wagner also seems to fit into the overall picture, but it is impossible to say anything for sure; This is the plan for everyone who goes beyond the boundaries of general approval: in statistics, fluctuations are a common thing.
            But what’s strange: Chubais can steal with impunity for decades - and no one will touch him, and the President will be perplexed: why did Anatoly Borisovich disappear, no one will touch him... No one will touch Abramovich, and many others. As well as Kasyanov and Koch, who happily disappeared... By the way, in 2022, more than 220 billion dollars were withdrawn from Russia abroad, almost 2000 for each resident of Russia. Well, we won’t fight corruption, judicial arbitrariness, lies and cynicism. This is the foundation on which power stands. Of course, these phenomena will be given a decent appearance, at the worst moments a noise curtain will be created (dancing around private parties of all sorts of Kirkorovs, angry cries about Pugacheva-Galkin, the most shameful trials like the trial of Strelkov and Platoshkin). I don’t expect anything good ahead – neither for myself nor for Russia. I feel sorry for the children.
            1. +7
              23 February 2024 12: 13
              Quote: astepanov
              Governors (say, Lebed and Evdokimov) prefer helicopters.

              Actually, Evdokimov died in a car accident.
              1. 0
                23 February 2024 15: 09
                Yes, I lost my mind here, I admit.
              2. 0
                25 February 2024 18: 18
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Actually, Evdokimov died in a car accident.

                like the strimous on the eve of difficult decisions
            2. -7
              23 February 2024 15: 20
              Quote: astepanov
              to beat up the stupid Zhuravel

              Why was this SBU agent beaten up?
              1. Msi
                -12
                23 February 2024 15: 39
                This SBU agent was beaten for no reason

                You might think he was “waffled” there... They gave him bream, oh, what a horror... lol
                1. +11
                  23 February 2024 17: 55
                  Quote from Msi
                  Why was this SBU agent beaten up?
                  So you think that you can spit on the law, whoever wanted it came, beat you, filmed the torture? And that torture in prisons is normal? Probably, when our prisoners in Ukraine are shot in the legs, you are indifferent to this: just think, there are international standards for the treatment of prisoners of war, you can spit on them - is that what you think? What do you prefer: a country where law and order are respected, or a zone governed by concepts?
                  1. -9
                    23 February 2024 21: 41
                    You successfully avoided the essence of my question and even blamed it on a healthy one.
                    1. +5
                      24 February 2024 12: 55
                      You were asked substantive questions. But by what right do you call Zhuravel, no matter how you relate to his idiotic act, an SBU agent? Was this fact established by the investigation? Any evidence? Or is this just for you to blurt out?
                      1. -4
                        24 February 2024 15: 40
                        Quote: UAZ 452
                        But by what right do you call Zhuravel, no matter how you relate to his idiotic act, an SBU agent?

                        There was even an article about it somewhere.
                        https://smotrim.ru/article/3364073
                      2. +4
                        24 February 2024 15: 44
                        Also tell me - they read it on the fence. Yes, our list of foreign agents will soon be larger than the population - some will be listed twice by mistake.
                      3. 0
                        3 March 2024 00: 01
                        Quote: UAZ 452
                        But by what right do you call Zhuravel, no matter how you relate to his idiotic act, an SBU agent?

                        That's why.
                        https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2024/02/12/nikita-zhuravel-rasskazal-kak-sotrudnichal-s-ukrainskimi-specsluzhbami
              2. +3
                23 February 2024 17: 22
                And tomorrow you will be appointed as an agent. By the way, right now the film “Stormy Gates” is showing on Ren-TV. remember Anatoly Pashinin. Navalny probably released this film before his death.? Well, or tell me that this is different.
            3. ANB
              0
              23 February 2024 23: 23
              . prefer helicopters


              Peter Kellner also died in a plane crash. And it was definitely not Russia who arranged this.
        2. -2
          23 February 2024 22: 19
          Quote: ASAD
          Usually the examination takes place in one day, on the second, third they are buried. And delaying the deadlines is just giving the enemies a reason for an information war.

          To begin with, no one will believe us anyway, so there is no point in posting anything. Ignoring is the best solution. But I admit, given Navalny’s impudence and desire to escalate with the authorities, caused a conflict with the rest of the prisoners. It is quite possible that the administration turned a blind eye to this so that the “training” would be more effective. They overdid it. With this option, it turns out to be an ambush; an ordinary everyday conflict in the zone will still be blamed on the authorities. In general, agent Navalny completed his task - he did something nasty before the presidential elections. Will receive some kind of Order of Britain posthumously.
      2. -9
        23 February 2024 12: 58
        And that out of fright they planted him right up to his tonsils
      3. -7
        23 February 2024 15: 17
        Quote: Mussashi
        Who is Navalny anyway!?

        The rules about swearing do not allow me to answer this question.
        1. 0
          24 February 2024 16: 49
          Don’t pretend that you don’t know that Navalny was the leader of the opposition to this government during his lifetime.
          1. -1
            24 February 2024 22: 10
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            During his lifetime, Navalny was the leader of the opposition to this government.

            Was Vlasov also the leader of the opposition?

            If I don’t get at least 100 minuses from Tsipso, I’ll be offended. laughing
    2. +11
      23 February 2024 11: 32
      Quote: ASAD
      What prevents the authorities from promptly conducting an autopsy and releasing the mother’s body for burial?

      Power gets in the way. Limitless and all-permissive: if we want, we’ll be thrown into a toilet or a prison; if we want, we won’t give up the body; we want to be buried quietly in an unknown place or in the cemetery that we indicate.
      All this is called intimidation of the people. And the author of this pro-Putin article is (cut out by censorship).
      1. -15
        23 February 2024 11: 45
        Have you already cried today due to the death of Alyosha?
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          1. -14
            23 February 2024 11: 58
            Putinism)) What an interesting word. As for the “pigs,” this is the Internet, baby, here they can contact you and f... send and describe how they went to the movies with your mother in Cheburashka. It’s time to get used to this, sensitive boy Tommy) You, the overthrowers of home-grown regimes, and those who sympathize with the liberals, must be trampled and pinched and humiliated in every possible way.
            1. +7
              23 February 2024 12: 40
              Quote: Bledar
              You, the overthrowers of home-grown regimes, and those who sympathize with the liberals, must be trampled and pinched and humiliated in every possible way.

              Is Strelkov also a liberal? What about Prigozhin and Utkin?
              1. -13
                23 February 2024 12: 42
                don't compare your butt to your finger
                1. +9
                  23 February 2024 12: 43
                  Quote: Bledar
                  don't compare your butt to your finger

                  But I don't compare. I am asking you.
                  1. -12
                    23 February 2024 12: 55
                    Well, you’ve already decided everything for yourself, who is right and who is wrong, everything is simple for you) from some authority you decided that the elimination of Navalny and the top Wagner was under the leadership of one customer and you even clearly indicate what kind of customer this is .
                    1. +13
                      23 February 2024 12: 57
                      Quote: Bledar
                      everything is simple for you

                      Everything is not easy for me. And you hide from the answer behind a stone.
                      1. -16
                        23 February 2024 13: 00
                        Well, if everything is not easy for you, then why did you even get to me with questions? Do you want to bring it to light, do you want me to bury myself in my own contradictions and finally recognize Putin as an enemy, or what? Is this what you're getting at?
            2. -2
              23 February 2024 15: 23
              Quote: Bledar
              and fuck... send

              The rules do not allow this, although some deserve it.
    3. 0
      23 February 2024 21: 25
      What's stopping you? The West is in the way. Putin gives the oval carcass of the corpse and this carcass is instantly pumped into Germany and there experts find a bottle of poison with Putin’s prints inside the corpse. All. A curtain
      1. +3
        24 February 2024 16: 52
        This has already happened, but there was no curtain.
  2. +31
    23 February 2024 04: 44
    About Navalny
    1) About ideology. For me personally, it is infinitely far from me (I am for socialism, he is for globalized capitalism). He is very close to the authorities of the Russian Federation, or rather even identical in the ideological and economic spheres. But it has two differences from the authorities, one positive, one extremely negative. The positive is that he is a representative of the new generation and does not bear the stigma of being a Judah from socialism, the negative is that he is no longer politically subject, his Russia is not only part of the capital world, but a country whose source of legitimacy for the authorities is already located outside the country itself, conditionally in Washington. Well, he and his team also have a dispute about who should sit in the Kremlin and be the government within the framework of the same bourgeois dictatorship, that is, a dispute for a place.
    Therefore, despite all the leaden abomination of the existing regime, a regime destructive for Russia, “people with beautiful faces” even worse .
    2) About personality. In himself, he was a good Russian guy, of average talent and intelligence, but very ambitious and active (which is rare in Russia now). Actually, he himself did not have any ideology, he was not a “liberal,” but he knew perfectly well what needed to be done and who needed to be supported in order to advance. Information was, of course, leaked to him and he of course muddied the schemes, but in modern times this can be called honesty. After returning to Russia, he behaved morally ideally, we must give him his due.
    3) About ethics. A Russian man, a citizen of Russia, died. I cannot be sad because, as I already said, his activities for Russia are even worse than Putin’s, but there is nothing to be happy about. Condolences to the family.
    4) About politics. He and his team did not have any coherent set of ideas on “how to develop Russia,” or rather, all their ideas were “do it like in the West” and a set of manipulative slogans. These ideas enjoy the support of 15-20% of the population maximum. And this is only because the authorities themselves advertise this and teach young people exactly this. That is, no danger emanated from Navalny at all if the authorities themselves, by their insane actions towards him, had not turned a middle-of-the-road liberal politician into a new saint. With sadness, we can once again state that the authorities have lost contact with reality. His death will not have any direct political consequences within the country, but the long-term consequences will be extremely negative. The basic idea of ​​the Russian authorities remains the same - to reach an agreement with the West, now the terms of such an agreement will become even tougher and will include, among other things, an agreement with its people. With them, too, everything is clear - they will group around Yulia Navalnaya (this was clear immediately after her gloomy- impressive performance in Munich), and now it is already a fact. And then the government again flogged itself. Yulia Navalnaya as an opponent will be much more dangerous than her husband. In fact, in the West she is already perceived as the shadow president of Russia. And she will also take revenge, with all the breadth of the Russian soul.
    5) About the sad thing. The saddest thing in all this (besides the fact that the authorities themselves made a new saint out of Navalny) is the moral state of our society that was shown by the reaction to his death. This is some kind of infernal explosion of hatred from everyone to everyone. Actually, with the “liberals” everything was clear for a long time, but here the “Putinists” have reached their heights. I would like to say, gentlemen and comrades, don’t be brutes. Be human.
    1. +13
      23 February 2024 05: 01
      Thanks for the comment! Brief and to the point. You need to be a regular author on this resource.
    2. +1
      23 February 2024 06: 23
      , from the entire breadth of the Russian soul

      From the breadth of the soul they do not take revenge, and there are no Russians in this story (mental slaves of the Western comfortable lifestyle are mentioned, one is the other).
      Dancing on bones is inappropriate, although they have become our everyday reality even without recent events.
      The authorities themselves made Navalny a new saint

      These are the “lights of the last times”, like George Floyd, humanity is losing the ability to distinguish between good and evil.
      1. +11
        23 February 2024 07: 15
        Quote: Vladimir80
        From the breadth of the soul one does not take revenge,

        You are partly right; the ideology of revenge itself does not exist in Russian culture. But here's an idea fair retribution present in full height. And the government itself did everything possible and impossible (and continues to do, mocking the body) so that everything that follows is perceived as fair retribution. But it won’t rust, and it would be fine if it concerned only the “patriotic elites of the Russian Federation” (it will fly to them today or tomorrow), in the end it will affect every citizen of the Russian Federation.
        Quote: Vladimir80
        These are the "lights of the last times", like George Floyd,

        Not a bad example, Floyd had absolutely all the contraindications for becoming a saint, but in the modern post-truth world he successfully became one (albeit for a short time and for a specific purpose). Yulia Navalnaya, in contrast to him, has all the testimony in one bottle to become our new Joan of Arc and Princess Olga. She did not participate in politics and big business (that is, she is pure), Russian, they had a wonderful family , mother of two children, wife of a martyr tortured by “absolute evil” for the idea of ​​“free Russia”. An ideal biography.
        Once again, one question remains -why, why the hell did the Russian authorities do all this with their own hands?
        1. +6
          23 February 2024 10: 57
          Julia Navalnaya, in contrast, has to become our new Joan of Arc and Princess Olga
          No princess will come out of her - her none does not know. She will not be able to take the helm of the party - there are too many people who want to.
          1. +2
            23 February 2024 11: 46
            I liked Shevchenko’s statement on this topic: 12.10

            https://www.youtube.com/live/LhxdlTwvmZg?si=IcpodpK2G60UapGH
          2. -3
            23 February 2024 15: 26
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            No princess will come out of her - no one knows her. She will not be able to take the helm of the party - there are too many people who want to.

            He knows, he doesn’t know, if the State Department appoints her to a position, then so be it.
        2. 0
          23 February 2024 13: 20
          that there are too many pompous epithets towards Navalny’s wife, who is handling a can, thereby clearly emphasizing on whose side she is fighting. Although she might gain some support among the city's crazy people.
          1. +2
            23 February 2024 22: 39
            Quote: Bledar
            that there are too many pompous epithets towards Navalny’s wife

            It's irony.
            who handles the can

            The “high-level” meeting between US President Biden and Yulia Navalnaya only emphasized what I wrote in the original message. The West perceives her as the shadow president of Russia. These are the facts.
            Quote: Bledar
            Although she might gain some support among the city's crazy people.

            You see, you can practice your wit as much as you want and fall into hysterics by distorting people’s names or talking about the city’s crazy people. But this is not constructive and has no effect on reality.
            Briefly and simplifiedly, the scheme is as follows: the Russian Federation is part of the capitalist world (if you actively disagree, you can start trying on the fate of Navalny, only without any publicity), the owners of money and meaning in the capitalist world are in the West, the Russian authorities want to be part of this world and save your money, now there is a family quarrel between the Russian authorities and the West due to the fact that the owners of the money no longer need the Russian authorities.
            Any attempt reaching an agreement with the bosses in the West (and they cannot help but agree) will now include the “Navalny case”. We will find out what kind of agreements there will be after the war. But if they include the return of Yulia Navalnaya and guarantees of “fair elections,” then she will become the president of the Russian Federation with the same ease as citizen Putin will become one in March of this year. And only the city crazy will be concerned with the question: who actually supports it?
            1. +1
              24 February 2024 13: 12
              Yulia Navalnaya will be able to become the leader of the opposition only if she is assigned (I would say imposed) a personal political strategist with the right to a decisive vote, who will rein in this overly ambitious person. Today I read how she sharply responded to Nadezhdin on Twitter, who dared, calling on the authorities to hand over Navalny’s body to relatives, to use the phrase “no matter how anyone treats Alexei Navalny himself.” Yulia got turned on half a turn even from this. A woman who recently lost her mother can be forgiven for this, but a politician who aspires to the role of leader will not be forgiven for a long time. So she is even less suitable for the role of a unifier of opposition forces than Valeria Novodvorskaya, the deceased, and either they can force her to behave according to the instructions of smarter people, while stopping her bucking in time, or the maximum she will be useful for is another victim." newbie."
            2. 0
              28 February 2024 08: 17
              Quote: Belisarius
              Quote: Bledar
              that there are too many pompous epithets towards Navalny’s wife

              It's irony.
              who handles the can

              The “high-level” meeting between US President Biden and Yulia Navalnaya only emphasized what I wrote in the original message. The West perceives her as the shadow president of Russia. These are the facts.
              Quote: Bledar
              Although she might gain some support among the city's crazy people.

              You see, you can practice your wit as much as you want and fall into hysterics by distorting people’s names or talking about the city’s crazy people. But this is not constructive and has no effect on reality.
              Briefly and simplifiedly, the scheme is as follows: the Russian Federation is part of the capitalist world (if you actively disagree, you can start trying on the fate of Navalny, only without any publicity), the owners of money and meaning in the capitalist world are in the West, the Russian authorities want to be part of this world and save your money, now there is a family quarrel between the Russian authorities and the West due to the fact that the owners of the money no longer need the Russian authorities.
              Any attempt reaching an agreement with the bosses in the West (and they cannot help but agree) will now include the “Navalny case”. We will find out what kind of agreements there will be after the war. But if they include the return of Yulia Navalnaya and guarantees of “fair elections,” then she will become the president of the Russian Federation with the same ease as citizen Putin will become one in March of this year. And only the city crazy will be concerned with the question: who actually supports it?

              It’s not that the Russian authorities and the owners of the money don’t need it, it’s just that our bourgeoisie, having accumulated fat, decided that they had the right and began to demand an increase in their share of the pie. So to speak, dizziness from success.
    3. +15
      23 February 2024 07: 07
      About Navalny
      They took it out of the tongue, I would like to add that we have a lot of “extremists”, Strelkov, Udaltsov, both support the SVO, but have different political views..
      1. +18
        23 February 2024 07: 56
        Quote: parusnik
        They took it out of the tongue, I would like to add that we have a lot of “extremists”, Strelkov, Udaltsov, both support the SVO, but have different political views..

        Yes, the list there is very large, in the widest range, from Murza, who was driven to suicide (who actually fought), to the completely harmless European socialist Kagarlitsky. In political technology terms, this can somehow be understood. Sandwiched between the West and their own people, as if between a rock and a hard place, the “elites” of the Russian Federation are increasingly using fear as the only method of control, and in anticipation of the transfer, the authorities are trying to clean up everything that moves (the essence of the transfer, of course, is not the reappointment of Putin in March, but subsequent reformatting of power with the removal of toxic figures). But in the absence of any idea (except for the idea of ​​maintaining power and property), the result is some kind of parody of universal evil. Scary and comical at the same time.
        The problem with Navalny (as opposed to Strelkov or Udaltsov), is that for our authorities the entrance is a ruble, and the exit will be twenty. Now the leaders of the Russian Federation complain every other day that even Zelensky does not speak to them, at the same magical moment (already after the removal of toxic figures) when the West deigns to talk to them, the question of “liberalizing the regime” and ensuring the political future of his wife will definitely arise.
        1. +21
          23 February 2024 08: 04
          Unfortunately, this is so... Here sometimes slogans were heard: “Give me 37!” It seems that it will be 37, it won’t seem a little... Denunciations are already being written about books, one distinguished himself here, he wrote a denunciation about the book “Puss in Boots”, they say the pictures there are not appropriate. Another one demands to cover his chest, at the monument to the Mother Motherland in Volgograd and I think this is just the beginning.
    4. -23
      23 February 2024 08: 08
      About Navalny.. Point one - Maxim died, and to hell with him.. Point two.. If I’m wrong, see point one.. And yes, how long can you remember this?
      1. +15
        23 February 2024 08: 49
        And if Strelkov dies or a new sentence is added to him, will you also say that Maxim is dead, and to hell with him..?
        1. -3
          23 February 2024 10: 09
          Why on earth? I understand Strelkov. He is a well-deserved man. But here the authorities will have to make sure that not a single hair falls from his head. By the way, his comrade, “Murza,” was hunted down. I personally support Strelkov’s position. You have not noticed the main thing - there is characters who have fully “worked” for a long time. And there are people whom the authorities are afraid of, Strelkov, an example of this. And because of the cowardice of the Kremlin rulers, he is in the zone
          1. +2
            23 February 2024 11: 16
            [B]
            You haven’t noticed the main thing - there are characters who have “worked” for a long time[
            /b] Those who have served time, lick their heels... And with such happiness and in freedom. And those who do not lick, of different political views, sit “behind bars in a damp dungeon” (c)
            1. -10
              23 February 2024 12: 33
              And, yes. Also.. If you consider THIS a person (Navalny, then), then I don’t. You can accuse me of Nazism. Yes
              1. +5
                23 February 2024 12: 40
                I assumed that you would answer this way. Yes, Navalny is not a human being, Friedman is better and people like him, they are human beings. We discussed Navalny a long time ago, and wrote then that Navalny is the foster child of the political system that exists now, flesh and blood. But alas, few people agree with this agreed, they will disagree now, including you. hi
          2. -4
            23 February 2024 13: 05
            So you are negative towards Navalny, so that your negative attitude towards the cowards of the Kremlin rulers will be forgiven
            1. -1
              23 February 2024 14: 25
              belay belay What? Negativity from the Kremlin? These are the enemies of the Russian people. And what kind of forgiveness do I need from them? From you, especially fool
          3. +4
            23 February 2024 17: 50
            Kvachkov, Udaltsov, Platoshkin, Navalny are imprisoned by those who briefly detained Zhenechka Vasilyeva and did not detain Serdyukov and Chubais. And he didn’t pay any attention to Nabiullina at all.
        2. -10
          23 February 2024 12: 24
          Those. By bringing in here the possibility of eliminating Strelkov, are you thereby indicating the involvement of Putin’s government in the death of Navalny? Yeah? I would like to ask, whose will you be? Strelkov is not sponsored by Western intelligence services, he is a patriot, but a little loud-mouthed and disturbing the population. He was excommunicated from the telegram in such an unconventional way so that he would not write too much, so Putin will not wet him in the toilet
          1. +7
            23 February 2024 12: 33
            And he’s under the article of extremism
            patriotic, but a little loud-mouthed and disturbing the population.
            ,those. in your words, should such patriots be declared extremists? Should those who financed the Armed Forces of Ukraine-Friedman be understood and forgiven? Strelkov, not the owner of "newspapers, factories, ships", he is an extremist, but Friedman, the owner of the property on the means of production, is on his board? A Patriot of the Fatherland?
            1. -8
              23 February 2024 12: 39
              Friedman is apparently not so easy to eliminate. Rich people are not just rich, but they also have some kind of leverage. For example, having eliminated Frdiman, all his factories and factories go into Western hands without the ability to track it, this is the simplest thing I can assume. There is no need to rabidly judge what is going on in politics, there is a lot of feces that they can feed, saying that this is necessary, that it is so useful, it’s good that at least these feces exist, otherwise there would be nothing to eat at all, and unexpectedly, they will be right
              1. +10
                23 February 2024 12: 44
                laughing They remarkably avoided answering, adding words about feces and so on... Let Strelkov sit, under the article of extremism. Since he is like that, and where capital is involved, there is no need to go there, their own... breadwinners laughing hi
                1. -10
                  23 February 2024 12: 50
                  Yes that's right. In general, based on the information that comes down to the plebs, it is very difficult to unbiasedly make out who is right, who is wrong, which side to drown for, but here you need to remember what country you are a citizen of, and you need to drown for this country and remember that overseas partners will never They won’t wish us well, although they pretend to, but for the sake of world domination we can sprinkle gingerbread on the Papuans and call them brothers
                  1. +2
                    24 February 2024 13: 24
                    Domestic occupation can be more brutal than foreign occupation. The year 1917 became possible precisely because the Bolsheviks convinced the citizens of Russia that their own power was a greater enemy to them than any Germans. Another thing is that no propaganda can do this out of nowhere. And the fact that what was happening in the government offices reached the plebs of that time even less than in modern times did not save the government. Rather - this is what finally buried it - it is difficult to expect the people to “drown”, as you put it, for their state, if with your own hands you took away from them the feeling of belonging to this state, completely excluding them from all decision-making mechanisms, even the most insignificant ones.
              2. +1
                23 February 2024 13: 09
                In a wonderful country, with a wonderful President who has been raising Russia from its knees for 20 years, but this is not enough, the factories do not belong to Russia. And what is it called?
                1. +2
                  23 February 2024 17: 12
                  Quote from Deon59
                  And what is it called?

                  Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors.
              3. +3
                23 February 2024 18: 01
                Friedman is apparently not so easy to eliminate
                What is this naivety? Or just an inability to think? When it was necessary to remove Ulyukaev, who was interfering, they found a way to imprison him. We were able to squeeze out the magnet.
                1. +1
                  24 February 2024 13: 26
                  Well, that means Friedman knows who should bring in how much and with whom to share. Well, that is, he is his own. Patriot, and keep your hands off patriots! No one will let you cut chickens that lay eggs from Faberge.
                2. +1
                  28 February 2024 08: 24
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Friedman is apparently not so easy to eliminate
                  What is this naivety? Or just an inability to think? When it was necessary to remove Ulyukaev, who was interfering, they found a way to imprison him. We were able to squeeze out the magnet.

                  Or the same Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky and squeeze out YUKOS.
          2. +5
            23 February 2024 15: 12
            Quote: Bledar
            Strelkov is not sponsored by Western intelligence services, he is a patriot, but a little loud-mouthed and disturbing the population.

            Your description is also suitable for Prigozhin. Remind me what suddenly happened to him.
      2. -6
        23 February 2024 15: 29
        There are so many sissies here, they gave as many as 20 minuses.
      3. +7
        23 February 2024 23: 27
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        About Navalny.. Point one - Maxim died, and to hell with him.. Point two.. If I’m wrong, see point one..

        As far as I understand your logic (correct me if I’m wrong), you think like this: Strelkov is our man, which means he was imprisoned unfairly, we are protecting him, Navalny is not ours, well, let him be shot 10 times. This is excellent, purely class logic. Overall, I even sympathize with her. But there are a couple of problems here
        1) This logic works when our good guys (conditional Bolsheviks) are in power and these guys know who the enemy is and what needs to be done (although there are questions here, but we will leave them for simplicity). But the problem is that there are very bad guys in power, and they are guided by class logic in which the enemy is you (you just don’t have any political significance, so you’re still free), but Navalny is a business partner, and they only imprisoned him because he encroached on the entire business. How reasonable is it to see your solidarity with these bad guys? And the question immediately arises: why are you defending Strelkov, because he is an enemy, or do you know better than the authorities who is the enemy here and who is not? And if so, then it turns out that you are encroaching on the very opportunity to determine who the enemy is, that is, on the power itself. Do you understand what kind of article is emerging here?
        2) Comrade Major, who actually carries out the landings, is also not guided by class logic. Everything is simple for him.
        a) The boss said who should be imprisoned, we imprisoned him, the article is selected according to the situation and for the required period. Whether the person is guilty there or not, that doesn’t matter to me, that’s what the boss is responsible for. He has a big head - let him think. And if anything happens, I am not guilty of anything, I was simply following the orders of my superiors.
        b) If the boss says nothing. and I need to prove that it’s not in vain that I receive a salary, then I have to create enemies myself (otherwise I’ll be fired, and the mortgage won’t pay itself). And then I create a community of “extremists or terrorists.” Someone said something wrong, or put on the wrong earring, well, that’s all in the bag. But again, it’s not my fault, it’s just how life is.
        It is easy to understand that with this logic, today our neighbor Vasya was imprisoned, and tomorrow you and I were imprisoned. Will you apply the principle “Maxim is dead, and to hell with him” to yourself?
    5. +1
      23 February 2024 08: 32
      At a lecture on political science:
      - Go to the pigsty. Those pigs that are at the trough are quietly slurping, and those that have been wiped off and trying to break through are screaming frantically.
      That, in fact, is all you need to know about the opposition in Russia. (c)
      1. +21
        23 February 2024 08: 52
        Rogozin somehow made his way to the trough. And when he started, he was a defender of the humiliated and insulted, but they warmed him up, cleaned him of potato peelings, and gave him a trough with the inscription Roscosmos...
      2. +11
        23 February 2024 10: 29
        - Go to the pigsty. Those pigs who are at the trough are calmly slurping, and those who were wiped out and who are trying to fight their way back scream desperately.
        That, in fact, is all you need to know about the opposition in Russia.

        No, this is what you need to know about power in Russia.
        1. +5
          23 February 2024 11: 12
          Do you manage to somehow separate them?? Like the opposition is exactly the same, they just didn’t have enough room at the trough... Well, explain to me, if you can, why Navalny was supposedly better than Putin? The same liberal bourgeois, only hungry...
          1. +1
            23 February 2024 11: 26
            why Navalny was supposedly better than Putin

            Look at it from the other side - why is Putin better than Navalny in the light of your reasoning?
          2. -3
            23 February 2024 15: 32
            Quote: paul3390
            Why was Navalny supposedly better than Putin?

            Better for whom? For our enemies, Navalny was, of course, better because he was their puppet.
        2. 0
          23 February 2024 18: 02
          It’s just that this Pavel called Russia a pigsty.
          1. +1
            24 February 2024 13: 32
            And what country, its political system, does this not apply to? But, as they say, the Lord has no other world for us, so we live in the one that was provided to us. If you manage to make it even a little better during your life, then it means you didn’t live in vain; if it didn’t work out, well, it means you just enjoyed life. What's the point of exposing the world to imperfection? Well, look for another one then.
        3. 0
          23 February 2024 20: 08
          Wise words, couldn't be more precise
      3. -1
        24 February 2024 09: 08
        Well, if you consider yourself a pig, then you should be slaughtered. But I don’t consider myself a pig and like many others, I and others don’t push around the government’s snack. I am interested in one thing, power does not touch me, I do not touch it.
    6. +14
      23 February 2024 08: 36
      I would like to say, gentlemen and comrades, don’t be brutes. Be human.

      What personally scares me the most in the last couple of years is that in a pseudo-patriotic frenzy we are somehow slowly but surely turning into Tsegabonia... Without noticing it ourselves..
      1. +15
        23 February 2024 08: 48
        somehow we are slowly but surely turning into Tsegabonia... Without noticing it ourselves...
        Most likely we don’t want to notice, we are not Tsegabon people, right? They wear pots on their heads, but we don’t. This distinguishes us from them. smile
      2. +2
        23 February 2024 13: 55
        Quote: paul3390
        then slowly but surely we turn into Tsegabonia..

        I didn’t understand about Gabon. This is a relatively rich African country, approximately on the same level as the Russian Federation. Before famous events. Now, accordingly, it is higher.

        Moreover, it is a country with a relatively stable democracy. When their beloved national leader suddenly ran for a third term, the military said that this was not agreed upon and arrested him. One bald guy there did it last summer.
        1. -1
          24 February 2024 13: 35
          Well, that means Russia will have something to strive for - the level of Gabon will not reach itself. But we have already jumped over the level of Ukraine - the definition of “country 404” now suits us more.
          1. 0
            29 February 2024 20: 48
            Quote: UAZ 452
            Gabon’s level will not reach itself.

            I don’t see any way to catch up and overtake Gabon in the foreseeable future.
            Quote: UAZ 452
            We have already skipped the level of Ukraine - the definition of “country 404”

            Ukraine has its own problems. However, these are fundamentally different problems: until recently, Russia and Ukraine were developing in different directions. Here it is better to focus on Belarus and Turkmenistan.
        2. 0
          26 February 2024 00: 10
          3 presidents since 1960. Democracy is even somehow too stable. And even such democracy is the merit of the French, who did not let the leftist Obama run wild.
          1. +1
            29 February 2024 20: 30
            Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
            3 presidents since 1960. Democracy is somehow too stable

            Well, you know. Look who's Talking.
    7. -7
      23 February 2024 12: 19
      Well, I don’t agree with the fact that the authorities recklessly arrested Alyosha. Firstly, he went straight out and engaged in outright populist slander, although I was also indignant at the authorities, watching his videos about Putin’s palaces and Medved’s green sneakers. I even got into it and poked my parents with these videos, look who you’re drowning for, a thief. Impulsively, frantically, as the creators of the videos wanted. But then, as it all started at the beginning of 2022, I began to think that the government was actually protecting and defending the country, and not handing it over to the Western hegemon. And who knows how long Alyosha would have lived in freedom during the SVO and how his sacrifice could have been organized on a much larger scale?
      1. +5
        23 February 2024 15: 29
        Quote: Bledar
        engaged in outright populist slander

        Quote: Bledar
        the government generally protects and defends the country,

        You didn't understand anything. The main result of the confrontation between Navalny and the authorities is the latter’s enormous reluctance to investigate his statements. In good faith, the Investigative Committee should have opened a case and investigated the facts provided. If they are not confirmed, punish Navalny.
      2. +1
        23 February 2024 20: 12
        Western hegemon. Who owns Sberbank, where are Gazprom shares located, who owns the factories. 300 billion flew away, for whom Nord Stream 2 was built.
  3. +1
    23 February 2024 06: 12
    I watched discussions with Navalny several times and each time I was amazed at how simply absolute emptiness in terms of ideas and concepts can go into politics. Even Javier Miley looks like a “conceptualist” against his background. In no way and in no way, even if we come up with an alternative version of history and think about the fact that we assume a version of history where Navalny was not funded by Russophobic Western institutions, then it is impossible to imagine him as the leader of a political movement. This is a politician without a political platform. It was and remained essentially until the finale.

    Later, when his team of “young degenerates” started a wave of dragging children into protests, it became clear that the character not only had no political platform, was not only associated with Western money, but was also rotten in his own right. This is the line that an adequate person does not cross. Navalny’s team and he himself had no inhibitions.

    Well, actually, tell me who your friend and ally is and let’s look at you. Navalny’s team hangs out on YouTube for days, recording videos and broadcasts. Both past and present, will you find anything adequate there? The fight against corruption... Well, now let them fight European corruption. Like, there will be no corruption, we’ll give everyone a billion and move to the Canary Islands. This is the Shirley-Myrley film for teenagers. Corruption is bad and bad everywhere, although it also exists everywhere. But minimizing it and fighting it does not mean either a development plan, or its execution, or the ability to administer it. However, for that flock these are already prohibitive heights.

    The team is on the fool, schizoid on schizoid. Based on their comments on social networks among themselves, one can quite conclude that they are as smart as mouse peas, human qualities are below the plinth. Who were the future “minds of democracy”? Naki, Sobol, Pevchikh, and there was also Lyusya Stein and others (I’ll write foreign agents and extremists in parentheses) God forgive me, even mentioning these names makes me sick. Listen to whoever you want, you have to do it on an empty stomach and place the basin in front of you. This is their team of the future. .

    This could not happen in real politics, no one would ever seriously vote for all this empty shamelessness, except purely on a wave, just to show our elites nothing.

    So my attitude towards him was extremely negative, his activities were meaningless at the beginning, harmful later, and in the end simply harmful. I don’t feel any joy from his death, but I won’t light a candle either. There are many worthy people who would like to live, but they are not.
    1. +14
      23 February 2024 07: 25
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      I several times watched discussions with Navalny's participation

      I didn't even look. Nothing interesting there!
      As a politician he is zero. His rating was low too.
      But as an investigator of corruption in high corridors, he was very successful. The views went through the roof.
      And it seems that this unpleasant circumstance was very difficult for someone.
      1. +4
        23 February 2024 10: 28
        His rating was low too.

        Yes, this is natural.
        As soon as Grudinin decided to run for president, his rating immediately went down.
        1. +1
          24 February 2024 17: 12
          If his rating was low, then why were the authorities afraid to allow him to participate in the elections?
    2. +21
      23 February 2024 09: 16
      Mikhail, can you tell me what happened to the wonderful complex near Gelendzhik, was it given to an orphanage? and if Navalny is a terrorist, reveal to us the essence of his terror
      1. +8
        23 February 2024 10: 24
        Quote: Ryaruav
        reveal to us the essence of his terror

        He launched a quadcopter over the “Rotenberg hotel”, and then uploaded the video to YouTube. Much could have been endured, but such impudence was not forgiven!
        And the end of these enemies is the same. Some on a plane, some on a bridge... and even in a prison cell under reliable guard!
    3. +4
      23 February 2024 12: 16
      Navalny’s team hangs out on YouTube for days, recording videos and broadcasts. Both past and present, will you find anything adequate there?

      Nikolay, you must understand that combination is not always appropriate. This is the same as angrily denouncing communism based on the actions of some Pol Pot or Mao. The leader was imprisoned and the team began to act without his actual leadership - is he responsible for this, given that he was deprived of the tools to actually influence what was happening? Well, if he is responsible, then it turns out that Lenin or Stalin are also responsible for any actions of any “type of socialist-communist”, even after their death. Well, according to that logic. They say he stuck to the ideas - and the blame goes to the designer of the ideas, even in the absence of actual leadership.
      It’s funny that you follow their activities now - even two years ago there was such a degree of game and agricultural nonsense that it was absolutely unbearable to listen to. I'm surprised they're still alive as an organization. When people (rather diverse and, I would say, many of them were not very public, and were effective niche functions at best) of whom were, in general, quite effective investigators, begin to engage in political matters “in isolation from the Folder” , even oppositional politics in exile - they produce enchanting nonsense.
      They would have come up with approximately the same nonsense if they had engaged in multi-story construction, or if they had needed to establish defenses in some part of the Northern Military District, or if their team had been faced with the task of breeding a breed of giant carnivorous mice.
      All this would NOT be their area of ​​activity, not even close, and there is no leader to whom all this is focused, so it is incorrect to combine it or even talk about it seriously in any way.
      From the moment he landed, he was separate, his team was separate - and it is incorrect to attribute the full bouquet of its jambs to him, just as, in general, it is incorrect to brand them with his name.
      1. -5
        23 February 2024 15: 37
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        The leader was imprisoned and the team began to act without his actual leadership - is he responsible for this, given that he was deprived of the tools to actually influence what was happening?

        There is no need to lie, Navalny, even from prison, somehow managed to record videos in such a way that until the moment of his death, all responsibility for the actions of his sect was on him.
        1. +3
          23 February 2024 16: 08
          Dear guest, I highly advise you to manage something through, as you put it, “videos” and generally remotely. A couple of years, without the ability to solve anything on the spot.
          Perhaps after a week of such guidance you would understand how unrealistic this is.
          The quality of management of this type drops exponentially and soon any such leader becomes a nominal leader, a kind of phallic symbol.
          And about “responsibility for the actions of his sect” - since he was imprisoned, he could no longer bear any responsibility for anything) This is the meaning of imprisonment - to isolate a person from activity, at least from a legal point of view (besides punishment, etc.) .d) . Otherwise, a paradox arises - here is a guy, for example, sitting - and someone will do a dirty deed in the wild and write in blood “For (such and such)!” And in your logic, the one who is imprisoned for this should be added, like, he is responsible, he inspired this. But that would be sheer insanity!)
        2. +3
          23 February 2024 18: 26
          One of the conclusions of the video is recorded, the other, being the president, cannot influence anything.
          And everything is logical for you.
        3. +1
          23 February 2024 20: 16
          They caught an underground cop with billions, it turns out that the entire leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is stealing. Bastrykin was visiting the killer senator, so he protected him
      2. +2
        23 February 2024 21: 17
        Well, you know quite well my views on what is happening in general and my assessments. But despite all the critical attitude THIS is, it has never been the opposition, is not and will not be. Navalnism was born in the depths of the inquisitive minds of individuals like Belkovsky, Pavlovsky and others like them, born as another simulacrum. As a simulacrum, it came under the West and received direct funding from there. Remaining a simulacrum. Well, about the team... He selected them, he chose them, nurtured them, and so on. Oranges will not be born from aspen trees.
        1. +1
          23 February 2024 22: 10
          Mikhail, you, like many here, are making a big mistake by considering Nava as a politician.
          You are trying to evaluate him with an unsuccessful measure, making, in general, a similar mistake that he himself made regularly. All these terms like “Navalnism” - this contradicts much that is immediately postulated - they say, there was no idea. There was no idea, but there was “Navalnism”, so it turns out?
          It doesn’t happen like that - either the object exists or it doesn’t. It’s not so important who stood behind it and whose project it was - history very paradoxical thing. At one time, in the stinking 90s, it was very fashionable to suck at Parvus and the fact that Lenin was a “German spy”. They rolled it this way and that, savored every detail and were indignant - well, how could it be, how could it be that way! They excited narrow-minded ordinary people who either do not understand how “real politics” works, or do not want to understand this, engaging in childish capricious denial. Not every taker is a tool, in real life there are temporary symbiotic connections, they happen, break up, they are mutually beneficial, or someone uses someone else in unequal shares. The fact that he could receive some money or support does not mean at all that he was a completely dependent figure (I didn’t use the analogy with Lenin in vain, there are a lot of such analogies in real life).
          We take the same Yanuca - it was fashionable for us to say that he is “pro-Russian”, just like on the other side. We allocated him a huge tranche, that is, we gave him money. The question is - did he pursue a policy that was beneficial to us? NeD. He took the matter to the extreme, and although we paid him, he played into the hands of the West.
          The conclusion is that not every salaried figure in real politics is a puppet; this is a thesis that greatly simplifies the real state of affairs for collective farmers.
          How things really stood there with his political program, I have no idea - I didn’t hold a candle, and I wasn’t particularly interested. I will only note that in our society, in principle, the bipolar (two-stranded) picture of the division of everything into “holy leftists” and “sold out liberda” has been popular for a very long time. In one motif or another, this is present everywhere, and interpreters of intestines or the flight of birds on absolutely every figure will justify and guide you, based on one or another preference. Even the occasional extremely principled people who are absolutely impossible to classify here or there do not cause dissonance from such “schematics” - they solemnly announce that these “blessed” are simply playing in the dark (either leftists or liberals).

          But I started with the thought of the mistake of perceiving the subject as a politician - he probably considered himself one. This ruined him - because he was not a politician, we have NO politicians here at all. The whole trick of authoritarianism is that there are very few figures and a lot of scenery. Including scenery depicting figures. Nav inside all this could be an influencer, an opinion leader, a millionaire blogger - anyone, but NOT a politician. You cannot be a driver if you DO NOT have a car that you drive, and never have had one. Also, a person who does not have real power cannot be considered a “politician”. Reaching out to excited kids (speaking of those - I remember that the pro-EdRov “Nashi” and “Young Guard” did not at all disdain either involving children or attracting them to political movements - but this is apparently DIFFERENT) was not a path to real power, it was a game of nonsense fuss, as well as all these dances with a tambourine around the “Beautiful Russia of the Future”. Nav was a good and dangerous investigator, a tasty and evil blogger, he was charismatic and he knew how to be an opinion leader - but within our society all this gave him a meager reach, beyond the boundaries of which he could not go. So to consider him as a politician is incorrect, he WANTED to be one, but he was not one in this system. In principle, he could not be one. It is correct to consider it precisely as a tossing entity that groped, but ultimately did not find its calling.
        2. +4
          23 February 2024 22: 31
          And a little more about “politicians”. Now, in a month we have elections - there are only 4 candidates. And two of them are very, very curious people - specifically in the area of ​​"politics". What do we mean when we say "politician"? The guy who pushes for politics in the zombie box? Just a famous person voicing certain sets of theses? I now believe that a “politician” is a figure who has a PART OF REAL POWER and/or has a significant credit of popularity among the masses in societies in which it is more or less possible to use this popularity to possess a PART OF REAL POWER. Here we have Mr. Slutsky - does he have some of the real power? No. Is he popular among the people? No again - he recently replaced VVZh (which, it must be admitted, was popular) and besides the fact that he is a “replacement” he has not yet become famous for anything. What is his real power? What will really change if tomorrow, for example, a giant black hole sucks in the LDPR and specifically him without a trace? Nothing will change! Exactly the same laws will be adopted by the majority in the State Duma, ministries will rustle papers in exactly the same way - everything will be the same. What stands behind it is not power or “politics” - it is an imitation of power and politics. The second candidate is Mr. Davankov. Who the hell is this anyway? :)
          Really, if you shove me into a zombie box for two weeks and periodically turn around there, will I become a politician? And here is exactly this scheme - a certain person is taken, the pro-government media begin to casually buzz about him. Hop-hop! And now we have a new politician, wearing a red tie, a sort of Anatoly Wasserman or Mr. Bazhenov, whatever his name is.
          Well, what kind of politician is this?! Is there really any power behind him? No - he’s just a familiar face from TV who blurts out “something about politics.” The fact that a red tie was put on a person and he ended up on TV does NOT make him a politician. Have you perhaps watched "Battle of Psychics"? Such a yum for collective farmers over 40. Very good. a good analogy - as soon as you run up there dressed like a sorcerer and frantically learn to rattle a rattle and roll your eyes and that’s it - YOU ARE ALREADY A psychic.
          And no one cares about you REALLY or you are just a mummer with a stuffed owl on your shoulder.

          In our case, this significant difference has long ceased to exist in society, both between freaks on such shows, and between “experts” on other shows, and between real “politicians” and mummers, behind whom there is nothing real.
          1. +2
            23 February 2024 22: 56
            With all your observation, you somehow missed the fact that I did not consider him a politician and did not call him. Exactly the opposite. In this regard, I just agree that he is anyone: an adventurous blogger, a sect leader, a frontman of some “movement,” but not a politician and a person who did not have a political platform. Such a peculiar type like “False Dmitry-light version”.

            But your second part is generally logical - where are our politicians? And the logical answer is that there are none. There are certain speaking parts of the system, broadcasting from different spectrums of public sentiment. They are in the system of political administration, but not politics. And all for the same reason - there is no political platform. None of them will show a book of works, articles with a system of views, or even the “April theses”; no one raises the question of power.

            The irony is that if you look at the deceased character among all the others, then he met the criterion of a politician more than they did, simply because he raised the question of power. That without a political platform didn’t really make him a politician, but at least he had one of the signs, the rest didn’t even have that. But the character could not have a social base.

            And so the report answers the question, where are the politicians? I would like to say that until a leader, leaders, ideologists, etc. appear who formulate a political platform, a system of views on social development, then I would not want to see any of the active characters in the struggle for influence - because it is nonsense, the struggle for different financial flows and movement for the sake of movement, at least for the sake of advertising on platforms. There’s no need for this, it’s better to let the functionaries sit. In a good system, it would be nice to think about your real Think Tanks, but alas, this is unrealistic.
            1. +2
              23 February 2024 23: 13
              Quote: nikolaevskiy78
              And so the report answers the question, where are the politicians?

              We have already discussed this issue. Under our political system, new politicians can appear only after the revolution. Where can they come from if anyone who publicly voices disagreement with the current state of affairs is either imprisoned, killed, hounded to suicide, or simply deprived of any opportunity for any political activity, cut off from money, the media, and even the Internet?
            2. +1
              23 February 2024 23: 29
              It’s not some program that makes a politician a politician - I’ll lock myself up at the dacha with coffee and sandwiches for a couple of days and I can scribble out such a program if possible cover with information about this - at least a couple of million people will immediately beat in ecstasy.
              The program is a technical issue - a bunch of effective and popular leaders (not necessarily good people) came to power with a bunch of systemic ideas and, even more so, a detailed program. Often they excited the average person with a list of 4-10 dishes and sweet, fiery speeches that skillfully concealed it.

              BUT this all concerns at least democratic states or long-standing odious tyrannies on their last legs, which have been preparing the ground for many years for any breakthrough anywhere from this.
              In our system, “real power” is not a certain percentage of trust delegated by society, but a hybrid of the ability to actually order actors vertically, pay them (or distribute benefits, let’s call it that) and punish them with the help of other actors.
              In other words, this is a monopoly on violence, force and tools of summing up and justification, putting it in a ruminant form, which can be used to “use” people down vertically.
              “Conditionally independent” figures, “formally recognizing the supremacy of public opinion and society as a source of power,” are even more formal here than in the West.
              Even in the old, much-desired 90s, there was a little more “conditional democracy”, then in order to push out the Prosecutor General you needed a whole spectacle with “a person similar to the Prosecutor General”, but now they would simply call him into the offices and say “sign your resignation !" and “or it turns out that you were connected with an extensive network of international pedonecrozoophiles.” And he wouldn’t even think for long, of course.

              No, even in authoritarian systems you can THEORETICALLY become a politician from below - but to do this you need to become a powerful and inclusive opinion leader. Not some kind of niche, but inter-niche. And yes, you will have to double-deal - because without access to the udder of the zombie killer, the matter will be ruined. You will have to communicate with various reptiles and ghouls, shake crab at them, look for compromises, build bridges between them, make acquaintances, etc.
              In a word, you will have to GAIN influence, in addition to the coverage of opinions. “You can’t just go and enter Mordor,” as in that meme. Now, you can’t just go and become a politician even with popularity and opinion leadership behind you. There are planes, and if we talk about our case, the lowest of them is the most insignificant.
            3. +1
              23 February 2024 23: 46
              And in answer to the question, where are the politicians?

              I see the problem this way, but this is my personal “specific” opinion. Our society is sick with an array of chronic, rigid illusions about things. A kind of spoiled hybrid of chronic abusive relationships to things, infantilism, principle, perverted dogmatic constructions on a wide range of issues. In short, enchanting wildness reigns in the minds of our people, giving a wave of absolutely incorrect (but within this cyclopean system quite logical) answers to the most important and common questions.
              The USSR was ultimately (one of) destroyed by the fact that it refused to see the world as it is - it preferred to see it through the prism of dogma and ideology. Maybe you remember the analogy with the “invisible stone” from our discussion - the USSR had mountains of such invisible stones, and the unfortunate people, forced to try to work effectively inside it, were forced to walk winding between virtual paths where more- less direct. And these are all labor costs and not the best solutions, even if they are not outright dead and specific.

              We have driven ourselves into paradigms of thinking in which we see no way out. If a conventional Jesus appeared from heaven tomorrow, if he began to perform miracles, resurrect corpses and turn water into wine - and then, it seems to me, a significant part of the population would be split, believing that this has a selfish bottom, that he is an alien, a Western agent, " crypto-Banderist" or simply taking an openly negative, disdainful position regarding his most ardent adherents. Because we DO NOT have some general criteria for the Good, the image of this Good. For many here in the discussion, judging by what they write, fortunately this is Comrade Stalin, lashing the backsides of as many people as possible for their obvious and hidden sins. They crave hardcore and will be ready to drown for it - but for others it will be a demon from hell, and to prevent this from happening, they will be ready to kill the first. And still others will say “burn it all in hell fire” and run. And the list of these forms of reaction is damn long - there is NO compromise in it at the moment. And no one is looking for it here. Nobody really needs him.

              There are no politicians.
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      1. +1
        23 February 2024 17: 29
        I have not seen “Ksenia Sobchak’s Programs,” except for some advertising newspaper in 2018. These are not programs, these are simulacra and comics. However, like all these characters. I wouldn't want comic book characters to go into politics. It is enough for us that the Russian economy was already successfully built according to the book “Dunno on the Moon.”
    5. +2
      23 February 2024 21: 33
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      Later, when his team of “young degenerates” started a wave of dragging children into protests, it became clear that the character not only had no political platform, was not only associated with Western money, but was also rotten in his own right.

      Children are also citizens. And they also have the right to protest. Adults, based on experience, are afraid to protest - who will pay the mortgage? And children differ from adults in their heightened perception of lies, remember Andersen’s Naked King.
      1. +1
        23 February 2024 21: 38
        Well, yes, “Holiday of Disobedience”, “Dunno in the Sunny City” and in the same spirit. The level is like this. Impressive.
        1. +2
          23 February 2024 21: 44
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          Well, yes, “Holiday of Disobedience”, “Dunno in the Sunny City” and in the same spirit. The level is like this. Impressive.

          "Gelsomino in the land of liars", again.
  4. Msi
    -16
    23 February 2024 06: 24
    They didn’t save us from imported adversaries, it turns out

    It is quite possible that this is the case...
    And if on the merits of the matter. “Efim” died and to hell with him...
  5. -7
    23 February 2024 06: 27
    The dust raised around Navalny's death will settle down. The question is, do we need such dust?
  6. +21
    23 February 2024 06: 49
    How the people of Russia have sunk! They even assign him enemies. Why are Navalny, Galkin, and other clowns enemies? And the Chubais-2 are almost considered heroes. See why there is silence about Fridman and Abramovich, about Nabiullina and Khusnullina. It was not Navalny who closed the Center of Russian Culture and Urgant did not bring in Tajiks and Kyrgyz.
    In the end, it’s not even funny, a dog bites you, and you trample on ants.
    1. +22
      23 February 2024 07: 11
      Quote: Gardamir
      Why are they enemies? Navalny, Galkin, other clowns?

      And what is characteristic. These characters, in principle, cannot do anything bad to the country, no matter how much they want to. They have neither power nor opportunity. But at the same time they are accepted as the main evil!
      Evil itself is probably in the shadows. And chuckles quietly.
      1. +10
        23 February 2024 10: 11
        Quote: Stas157
        They have neither power nor opportunity. But at the same time they are accepted as the main evil!
        However, the author of the article mentioned at the beginning that Navalny even called for a civil war. These are kids who ran screaming from the riot police, and even from the costumed Cossacks - what a damn war, complete absurdity! There was no power behind him
      2. -1
        23 February 2024 15: 39
        Quote: Stas157
        These characters, in principle, cannot do anything bad to the country, no matter how much they want to.

        Is it good to transfer money to kill Russians?
        1. +2
          23 February 2024 20: 18
          And what is it called trading with those who kill Russians?
          1. -2
            23 February 2024 21: 30
            The answer is in the style of “himself with the letter D.”
            1. +2
              24 February 2024 08: 51
              How can I answer you? And where am I wrong? Aven, Friedman, how many beans were distilled by Ukrainians
              1. -2
                24 February 2024 11: 43
                And how are the crimes of the oligarchs justified, the crimes committed by Navalny’s sect?
                1. +4
                  24 February 2024 13: 19
                  Vasilyeva stole 700 million, but was released on parole, Ulyukaev was imprisoned for a bribe, but was released on parole. Why does Kadyrov’s 16-year-old son have the right to carry firearms, and what achievements does he have that would put a bunch of awards on his heroic chest? I can list a bunch more examples. The list is very long. Know how much money is stolen at the tender. And the authorities are scared when they conduct such investigations about corruption. When they say they steal, it’s not scary, it’s scary when they show it.
    2. -4
      24 February 2024 01: 46
      Because they bring no less evil than these Friedmans and Abramovichs. Those cause material damage, and these destroy the younger generation, corrupting them. It is no secret that support from young people came from the promise of payment for going to protests. Young people got married for 1000 rubles or 10 $ - he taught how to sell the country. He was not an oppositionist, he was a provocateur. And in general, the scheme of the modern structure of the country looks like this: these Abramovichs use the country’s resources to strengthen enemies and weaken the economy of the Russian Federation, they are followed by a group serving their interests, which includes those who lobby their interests in the authorities, who instill the ideology of consumerism, and this is how once again the above-mentioned figures of pseudo-culture, and the third category - servants - those who make their life comfortable, starting with numerous security guards, lawyers, etc. And the people are relegated to the category of resources.
  7. +16
    23 February 2024 06: 53
    Death is beneficial, it is not beneficial... This is all talk. But the life and freedom of the oppositionist was entirely the responsibility of the authorities who imprisoned him.
    Those who really did not benefit from death should take care of it. And everyone knows how they “took care of” it. What happened during the campaign was beneficial to everyone!
  8. +2
    23 February 2024 06: 55
    Was Sechin’s son also murdered by Western or Ukrainian special services? He died two days after Navalny died, the diagnosis was the same, the blood clot came off, but he died at home...
    1. +2
      23 February 2024 07: 04
      A friend’s son died at the age of 21. He looked healthy, went in for sports. Also had a blood clot.
      1. +1
        23 February 2024 07: 14
        Here, here... Based on the opinion of the author of the article, it turns out that the Ukrainian and Western intelligence services have launched a special program to destroy Russians, regardless of political views. smile
    2. +2
      23 February 2024 10: 34
      Quote: parusnik
      Was Sechin’s son also murdered by Western or Ukrainian special services? He died two days after Navalny died, the diagnosis was the same, the blood clot came off, but he died at home...
      The official date is February 5. This was only recently reported. hi
      1. +1
        23 February 2024 11: 20
        The official date is February 5.
        Oh, that’s it, what was the point of hiding it? Looking for someone to blame? hi
  9. -4
    23 February 2024 07: 13
    It’s a pity that we didn’t have time to exchange with Germany.
    That would be a trick. But again, there would be a reason to say that “Putin” killed him already in Germany, and experts would have found confirmation and found suitable poisons there.
  10. -19
    23 February 2024 07: 38
    Navalny's death happened “on time.” I think that behind Navalny’s death the ears of the “Europeople” are sticking out. It’s a little annoying that the little hands of Euro-people can even reach a maximum security colony; there’s no way around this without “Jews.” So the Kremlin should look for “Jews”, if only for the sake of a sense of self-preservation.
    1. +9
      23 February 2024 07: 56
      behind the death of Navalny, the ears of the “Europeople” are sticking out.
      Do you think the Federal Penitentiary Service is overcrowded with agents of “Europeople”?
      1. -13
        23 February 2024 08: 00
        Well, not so much that it’s absolutely overflowing with agents of “Europeople” - but they exist, and not only in the Federal Penitentiary Service.
      2. -2
        23 February 2024 20: 56
        Quote: parusnik
        Do you think the Federal Penitentiary Service is overcrowded with agents of “Europeople”?

        You can do without the Federal Penitentiary Service. Two days before his death, he was visited by a lawyer. He might not even know that he was carrying a virus, to which he already had immunity, but his ward did not.
    2. -5
      23 February 2024 12: 50
      Vladimir M
      What raises questions? Criminals have established communication with the will and other zones through corrupt employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service. And they will hand over what is needed, and kill “whoever is needed.”
      Western intelligence services have always actively “worked” with the criminal world. And there is no need for any “Europeople” in the zones. I went out onto the street in Moscow, approached the nearest suspicious character... and then the “executors” themselves would get in touch with the question: “What do you need, elder?”
      1. 0
        26 February 2024 00: 34
        You are describing a completely decomposed system. Try killing someone in Guantanamo.
        1. 0
          26 February 2024 09: 25
          Yaroslav Tekkel
          Why, should we send someone to Guantanamo? Give me more money and everything will be fine!
          Corruption, especially in the penitentiary system, is unfortunately ineradicable. You would be ashamed to cite the example of the United States, one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And the American army is openly involved in drug trafficking.
          So forgive me for being rude, but don't be stupid.
  11. +11
    23 February 2024 09: 34
    He hasn’t been out of isolation wards or drills, and that doesn’t improve his health. For the military in the comments for comparison. Three years without leaving the guardhouse, how do you like that? Maybe they didn’t kill him, but due to hardships and deprivations of health, the authorities brought him to death.
    1. +3
      23 February 2024 11: 56
      We have such living conditions in Russia and in civilian life that God forbid you get sick, relatives of PGT don’t have half of the doctors there, something hurts, order a taxi, go to the nearest city 30 km away. Yes, and in Moscow you will be left without trousers, recently it turned out that there were problems with the policy, I had to go to a paid one while I was re-registering everything there, if in May the therapist there took me for 1700, now he takes me for 2200, even the cheapest medications also jumped up normally. And what’s behind the thorn, only God knows, plus the constant bullying, even a bear would give an oak tree, let alone a human.
      1. +1
        24 February 2024 17: 27
        In Polar Wolf they did not beat prisoners, they tortured them in the cold. They handcuffed the person and put him in an iron box in temperatures of -20 or -30. And if they accidentally forgot a prisoner there, then the next day they took out the ice mummy.
  12. +6
    23 February 2024 10: 16
    Even the announced diagnosis of thrombosis cannot be made without an autopsy.

    How long does it take to open an autopsy, according to the author? The body should have been done and given away for burial a long time ago.
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 17: 28
      What they are now doing with Alexei’s body is a mockery of his mother.
  13. 0
    23 February 2024 11: 32
    For the Munich conference, a gift just happened, and the widow was at hand. Coincidence? More likely. Poisoning in 2018 undermined Navalny’s health, but he still returned home. Didn't calculate the risks. Or I could now live peacefully somewhere in Bavaria, with my family. People have different attitudes, but, of course, after the poisoning in 2018 and several years in prison, my health couldn’t stand it. Probably history will put everything in its place over time.
  14. +11
    23 February 2024 11: 53
    How biased your article was, Evgeniy... So much so that I don’t even want to comment too much.
    We have a country of paradoxes - you can organize a real military rebellion and remain without legal consequences, and even still in the favorites of the perception of a certain part of the population, you can fucking destroy the empire and bring the country to the brink and a state of starving idiocy - and for this you will receive a nominal center, a monument and lack of legal or even simple official condemnation. Well, at the same time you can say “a couple of affectionate ones” (I’m not even talking about the subject now, I’m still talking about the same temporary detention center) and within the same system you can get quite a long sentence and a bunch of wasted paper sucked out of your finger.
    As for the subject, I personally am surprised in our time by these new “terrorists” who have not set off a single firecracker and have not killed a single person. Maybe because at one time I had the opportunity to see the consequences of “terrorism” in Moscow time, with blood, corpses, and wounded. For me, a “terrorist” is not some speaker with his mouth and a juggler of letters - it’s a specific person who has not only a cannibalistic ideology (a lot of people have a cannibalistic ideology now, here are the comments to read people - very many would happily kill and burn someone - thread. In words), but also a bunch of vepon, which he uses without hesitation to realize his gloomy ideas. "Terror" is actually a word translated as "Fear".
    My imagination cannot draw a person who would be afraid of a subject or someone Kagarlitsky until his pants are wet. Who are these people capable of, so to speak, terrifying en masse?
    I’m specifically getting to the bottom of the word “terrorist” - nowadays people love to flaunt someone with something, without giving much thought to what these terms mean. All these “Nazis”, “terrorists”, “fascists”, “genocide”, “unparalleled”, “nanotechnology” - shout at us from every iron, having long ago lost the lion’s share of the original meaning, and sometimes even the semantic load.
    For example, Breivik is a classic terror. There were cannibalistic ideas, so he went and let’s chop them up.
    And now we don’t even always call some bearded slipper men that way; now they can be called “opposition” or “rebels,” although their actual goals and actions may constitute pure terror.

    I read how the author rejoices that “another person died in prison” and I try to understand what are the roots of this loyal joy? Maybe we have begun to live a little better because of this? Maybe the subject stole the author’s toy in childhood when they were playing in the sandbox? Where does this kind of animal latent xenophobia come from?
    Despite the entire array of activities for your kind, Nav is remembered only for some feverish political madness - and you and your kind have already forgotten who enriched your vocabulary with the word “aqua disco”, and the Internet with memes about “golden toilet brushes”.
    As a politician, Nav was “that kind of guy,” but in the golden days of his activity, he brought to light a lot of the game that journalists should pull out in a good way when they are not busy licking someone’s sphincter. And I remember him primarily for this reason - the fact that he managed to lift the corner of the carpet and show what was under it. No one has done this before and on such a scale, and it is unlikely that anyone will do this again.
    There is little joy in such a death - and although yes, he loved to get into trouble and he definitely should have stayed behind the hill, he was a talented, bright and convinced man. In another, better system, this could have been better used - in ours, he just sat down, sat and died, and the rednecks, as they had become accustomed to for thousands of years, roared with the rage of hatred and splashed with saliva of delight.
  15. +8
    23 February 2024 11: 53
    Why is all the news about Navalny, but what about Murz? A real hero in all respects and such silence... And the people who persecuted him today will “broadcast” from the screens all day, live, and those who gave themselves entirely to the Motherland are already in the ground and their memory is being erased...
    1. +5
      23 February 2024 13: 22
      Nevertheless, Murz himself decided to take his own life. And so - he was a man loyal to the cause, worried about people, human lives and caring for the success of the Armed Forces. Volunteer, organizer, brilliant publicist.
      The imprisonment of Strelkov, the passing of Murza, the rotten position of Gubarev - all these are wounds on the body of patriots who tried to raise their heads and organize - but the circumstances turned out to be stronger than the depth of their ideas about the rabbit hole.
      In my opinion (I admit that I am wrong, because I did not study Murza’s activities with a magnifying glass, unlike the work of the PKK), his death is a good illustration of the fact that an excess of conscience is destructive.
      There are certain ideas (including those inspired by romantic literature and films), to which, judging by his suicide note, Murz was also very susceptible (a kind of romanticization of reality), and although these are beautiful and inspiring ideas, and although in some places they help bring closer somewhat reality to them - you still need to understand that the rabbit hole very sponge And it is very different from legends and myths “based on”, one’s own excrement in the field of pathos and glorification of everything, ideas of people compiled from the fruits and ideas of different eras.
      Reality is rough, hard and cruel - experiencing it too involved and strong can't achieve its changes. Sometimes things don't happen because they shouldn't happen -no matter how much we want it. No matter how logic and romanticism itself scream in our ears that this is inevitable, we just need to put in a little more, and another half a snot and another third of a hair of effort.
      And vice versa - sometimes things happen by themselves, the way they happen. Whether we like it or not, in many ways we are simply observers of what is happening, and the fact that we can change something with our participation or words, move something - doesn't mean at all that we can completely control something important, spending an equivalent amount of energy.
      Some things are within our power, some things are beyond us. Murz burned out trying to jump above his own strength - he was ruined by his inability to abstract himself in time where he could not change anything.
      A hernia is never important and is not the goal - the goal is life and the result. If you can and want to achieve a result, achieve it; if not, just live, because everything that happens is endless variations of what has already happened and will happen.
      1. -9
        23 February 2024 15: 45
        Knell wardenheart
        What’s curious is that you are trying with all your might to convey one meaning, but voluntarily or unwittingly you SPEAK, and the TRUE meaning simply comes through from your messages, contrary to your intentions.
        But first, let’s separate the concepts of terrorism and not extremism. Your hero was given a hard landing due to extremism. Terrorism is one of the methods of extremism, but not the only one.
        Trucks are cars, but cars include more than just trucks.
        Further, you write that he was a worthless politician, with no political program. You don't have to write anything else after this.
        This is an ORDINARY ADVENTURER, of which there have been many in history. And almost all of them are practically forgotten. This is their fate - he himself chose this path.
        He was only interested in MONEY AND FAME, perhaps he was not interested in anything else.
        And who did not disdain either dirty money, or dirty people, or dirty lies.
        He did not expose anyone (except himself). All his revelations are from the category of yellow pages of the Internet about “planet Nibiru”, or “a maniac raped the entire train along with an electric locomotive.” Just as he himself was an absolutely immoral and unprincipled person, he assembled a team of equally unprincipled people who cheated and set each other up at the first opportunity.
        An ideal figure for Western intelligence services, who needed someone who would sell his own mother.
        Here is another scenario that can already cause alarm.
        In fact, with the help of overseas puppeteers, this zasranets organized a sect into which he actively attracted young people.
        Both his imprisonment and his death fit perfectly into the sectarian scenario with a sacred sacrifice.
        Just like a missing body. The only surprise is that he did not resurrect after 3 days.
        Christ had apostles, and among them was Judas. But here, were there any non-Judas among the apostles?
        1. +5
          23 February 2024 16: 02
          Quote: futurohunter
          In fact, with the help of overseas puppeteers, this zasranets organized a sect into which he actively attracted young people.

          Yes. Trying to awaken in young people any motivation other than biological is a grave crime, from the point of view of our ruling class.
          1. -1
            23 February 2024 20: 31
            DenVB
            What’s interesting is that all the defenders of Mister Navalny let it slip. That's right, he didn't awaken any motivation other than biological ones
        2. +6
          23 February 2024 16: 35
          What a clever Jesuit you are, dear) At another time, I would even appreciate this, but now your brother has multiplied too much.
          Your hero got a hard landing due to extremism

          Don’t think for me!) I didn’t write that this is “my hirou”, and since earlier you were so kind to find fault with my spelling, in response I will allow myself to find fault with yours - “hiro”. Without U. The fact that I appreciated Nav's work in a certain niche, that I recognize his strong qualities, does not mean that he is a hero or an icon for me. “Don’t make an idol for yourself,” various spiritual books say, I try to be guided by this, because people tend to change, and unlike wine, not always for the better over time. You cannot be sure that the same person will be “good and better”, simply because it is “he”. So I segment activities into useful and not useful, successful and not successful.
          And by the way, yes - he was imprisoned not for extremism but for “violations of a suspended sentence related to the Yves Rocher case.” But only later, in retrospect, they added a lot of other things to it - fun and tasty.
          your messages simply convey the TRUE meaning, contrary to your intentions

          People who are religious or strongly committed are often champions of searching for hidden "true" meanings, so I'm curious what you make of this.
          He was only interested in MONEY AND FAME, perhaps he was not interested in anything else

          Very primitive logic - how can a dead man be interested in money? Maybe you don’t know, but Nav was not a poor man even before he “got into politics.” And even more so, I have doubts that his family has become much richer as a result of all this. More famous - yes, but in our time there are much more effective ways to gain fame. You could download and download the investigative theme - it was quite successful. And with this he would have achieved much more, if he were simply interested in fame, because the record-breaking views spoke for themselves.
          And who did not disdain either dirty money, or dirty people, or dirty lies

          All politics is structured this way) When it comes to money, many people in our country believe that there is big money only where people steal. Well, it’s, as you put it, “dirty people” who steal. Any story is based on “dirty lies”, because in any story there is enough inappropriate and ugly truth.
          When his team decided to switch to donates for the sake of an experiment - as opposed to this “dirty money”, they were immediately brought under provocation with theft of funds and “foreign sponsorship”. If you are an honest player and come to play with cheaters, you are either a saint or a cheater yourself.
          All his revelations are from the category of yellow pages of the Internet about “planet Nibiru”, or “a maniac raped the entire train along with an electric locomotive”

          So, I’ve called people bots a couple of times during my time here, because it’s a terrible cliché - but after this phrase of yours, I definitely identify you as a bot, sir. Poker is not worth the candle and time to discuss with you is not worth it hi
          1. -2
            23 February 2024 21: 15
            Knell wardenheart
            now your brother has multiplied too much
            Which brother? I am writing personally for myself. Believe it or not, I have nothing to do with the Russian state.

            I recognize his strengths
            Any adventurer a priori has strong qualities, otherwise he is just a petty swindler.

            he was imprisoned not for extremism, but for “violations of a suspended sentence related to the Yves Rocher case”
            If you find fault with words, and I deliberately wrote “hirou”, then it is written “extremism". Spell checking is a help. Oh, you shouldn't have raised this topic! A swindler is a swindler. And not the biggest one - and that's why he's offended. They weren't allowed to go to the feeding trough. They don't put you in prison for a suspended sentence. And to get them in prison - he had to try hard. They gave him an extra charge for extremism. He worked hard. And he did a lot.

            Very primitive logic - how can a dead man be interested in money?
            Why are you confused? Was he always dead? And, being a dead man, he shouted: “Come to me, sheep?”

            Nav was not a poor man even before he “got into politics”
            Very primitive logic - how can a dead man be interested in money?
            Why are you confused? Was he always dead? And, being a dead man, he shouted: “Come to me, sheep?”

            Nav was not a poor man even before he “got into politics”
            Already in your message you are striking in your naivety...
            1. There is always little money (no matter how much there is)
            2. Money tends to run out (no matter how much there is)

            champions in the search for hidden “true” meanings
            Why look for them if you regularly have “Freudian slips”?

            I have doubts that his family has become much richer
            Look how his wife smiled in Munich after his death

            And who did not disdain either dirty money, or dirty people, or dirty lies

            All politics is like that)
            Well, he seems to have taken it upon himself to expose the deception. Doesn't it seem strange to you when a thief tries to expose thieves, and a liar tries to expose liars?
            the team decided to switch to donates for the sake of experiment
            The naivety of some people is simply amazing! Do you seriously believe that with some donations you can launch such a vigorous activity and wander around the world?

            they were immediately brought under provocation with theft of funds and “foreign sponsorship”
            Have you ever heard of Rosfinmonitoring? And you take an interest! You will learn a lot of interesting things! The “foreign agent” drive still needs to be earned!

            called people bots
            And who is it?

            It's not worth the time to discuss with you
            No one is forcing you))) Or do you no longer have anything to respond to inconvenient information? Does it really hurt your eyes? Well, she's uncomfortable! This is just a comfortable and smooth lie!
  16. -9
    23 February 2024 12: 45
    What is Navalny known for in history? - Inscriptions on the asphalt!
    Previously, they used to write a three-letter word on the fences, then they started writing “Navalny.”
    ...for downvoters and fanatics - is this not true? Try to refute it!
    1. +2
      23 February 2024 14: 25
      Quote: futurohunter
      Previously, they used to write a three-letter word on the fences, then they started writing “Navalny.”

      I have never seen.
      1. -3
        23 February 2024 15: 27
        They looked bad. And on the fence, and on the asphalt, and wherever they wrote
    2. -3
      23 February 2024 15: 49
      Quote: futurohunter
      Try to refute it!

      In order to refute they must have at least 1 gyrus of the brain, but these cypsos don’t even have that.
      1. +1
        23 February 2024 17: 33
        Quote: guest
        In order to refute they must have at least 1 gyrus of the brain,

        Do you have two whole convolutions? Refute my words that I have never seen the word Navalny either on the asphalt or on the fence.
        1. +2
          23 February 2024 17: 44
          I don’t know where you live, I’m in Moscow. If I had known that such a dispute would happen, I would have taken photographs at the time. Open the image search - there are thousands of them!
          1. +1
            23 February 2024 17: 47
            Quote: futurohunter
            I don't know where you live,

            I have written here more than a dozen times that I am from the Tula region. Novomoskovsk. So who's looking bad here?
            1. 0
              23 February 2024 17: 49
              I didn't look. I’m not a private detective, I don’t spy on people, and I don’t do investigations. And these inscriptions were an eyesore and raised questions: “What kind of curse word is this new? And why is it so long?”
              1. +1
                23 February 2024 17: 50
                Quote: futurohunter
                And how these inscriptions were an eyesore,

                We didn’t have such inscriptions.
                1. 0
                  23 February 2024 17: 50
                  Maybe you just don't remember? A lot of time has passed
                  1. +1
                    23 February 2024 17: 54
                    Quote: futurohunter
                    Maybe you just don't remember? A lot of time has passed

                    I'm not complaining about my memory. I saw all sorts of advertisements on the asphalt, congratulations on Valentine’s Day, three-letter inscriptions on fences, a portrait of Tsoi on a transformer box, but I didn’t see Navalny
                    1. -2
                      23 February 2024 17: 55
                      If you haven’t seen it, it doesn’t mean that they don’t exist)) One person is too small a sample for statistics)) I gave photo examples))
                      1. +1
                        23 February 2024 17: 58
                        Quote: futurohunter
                        One person is too small a sample for statistics

                        Behind MKAD there is no life?
                      2. 0
                        23 February 2024 17: 59
                        How should I know? )))) Perhaps there is no Navalny outside the Moscow Ring Road? Not his target audience?
                    2. 0
                      23 February 2024 17: 58
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                      1. 0
                        23 February 2024 18: 01
                        Yeah, and I remember my grandmother’s sign in the village: “Vaska, give me my firewood!”
        2. -2
          23 February 2024 21: 35
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I have never seen the word Navalny either on the asphalt or on the fence.

          It might be worth contacting an optician then.
          1. +1
            23 February 2024 21: 43
            Quote: guest
            It might be worth contacting an optician then.

            Are you also from Moscow, so far-sighted?
            1. -1
              23 February 2024 21: 48
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Are you also from Moscow, so far-sighted?

              Where I'm from doesn't matter.
              1. +2
                23 February 2024 21: 52
                Quote: guest
                Where I'm from doesn't matter.

                Apparently, it very much does. Where, other than Moscow, did they support rallies of Navalny or like Bolotnaya?
                1. -1
                  24 February 2024 10: 52
                  I was in Togliatti at that time, there was a weak rally there. And there were inscriptions on the fences, then they painted them over
                  1. 0
                    24 February 2024 17: 40
                    How else can the people express their attitude towards the officials who cheated, just by writing the name of Alexei. After all, it’s so scary for the authorities to see his name, the authorities immediately rush to erase and cover it up and it looks comical and creepy.
                    1. -1
                      24 February 2024 18: 55
                      How do these inscriptions essentially differ from graffiti? The same graffiti, only even uglier. Normal authorities, monitoring the cleanliness and order in Shoroda, will paint over an ugly inscription, even something like “Putin is great.” There's no need to be an idiot. And consider others idiots too
  17. +12
    23 February 2024 13: 37
    I was wondering which of the VO authors would write this article. Fedorov, that is.

    I opened his story for August-September last year, expecting to see the article “Snorted cocaine and blew up his own plane with a grenade.” I didn't find such an article. Strange.
  18. -7
    23 February 2024 14: 04
    By the way, the article proposes a very cruel punishment option. They had to have a personal camera, be forced to wear a tailcoat around the clock, and be served only champagne and crayfish as food. And install an online camera with round-the-clock broadcast.
    I wonder how long he would last in this regime, and what would be the reaction of the Western “media”?
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 17: 45
      Here you are trying to joke and don’t even suspect that everything happened like that, only without champagne and crayfish. Alexey was under total video control, there were always decoy people around him, except for the punishment cell, of course, there was only video surveillance there.
      1. -1
        24 February 2024 19: 53
        Not sure. I can't check it at all. As for decoys, this is nonsense - feeding and maintaining such a horde is too expensive. Then it would have been easier to keep him in some closed prison.
        Another question is that, as far as I understand, the contingent is selected by zone - rapists and murderers will not be kept in a group with "intellectuals" - officials, thieves, such as Naval, etc. Video surveillance in such places is carried out simply for security reasons. Another question is that in the most secure prisons, assassination attempts and unauthorized communications between prisoners, etc., are possible. Although, personally, I am inclined towards natural causes of death
  19. -2
    23 February 2024 15: 01
    I don’t think that Naval was transferred to a remote colony to “hide.” I think the intelligence services have better places (for example, places where captured spies and high-value criminals are kept, such as the FSB prison - I don’t know about those, I think there should be such places).
    The cause of death is still unclear. It is not a fact that someone “killed” him. The coordination of the disinformation howl only speaks of its organization, but not at all of the fact that everything was planned. The whole system just works. Some people sit “on the invoice” - constantly monitor the news, catching informational occasions. These may not be people - according to fashionable trends, “information feeds” can also be caught by a neural network. But then the go-ahead is given, and the disinformation machine immediately comes into action. In fact, she never stops. Messages and articles, by the way, can also be generated by neural networks. But now, numerous purchased “bloggers” and “bots” receive fresh food, which at least slightly enlivens their well-fed, but worthless life
  20. +8
    23 February 2024 15: 05
    Regardless of Navalny. The country's leaders are overwhelmed by calculating cynicism. This is clearly an echo of the 90s. I have been hearing interpretations of the famous phrase “she drowned” for over 20 years. The icing on the cake is the reason for our negative demographics, announced 2 days ago. As a matter of fact, this reason was declared to be Covid. Covid, Karl! Covid, and not tens of thousands of our men who died with orphans and unborn children. Where does this cynicism come from? And then I listened to a recent high-profile interview and understood. Double cave knowledge of history gives rise to the creation of its own parallel universe.
    1. +3
      24 February 2024 01: 06
      You still have enough strength.
      As soon as Solntseliky took up the story, I moved away from the topic - mental health is more important.
      The coolest thing will be, and I won’t be surprised, that the history of Rus', in the interpretation of the Chief, may well be rolled into textbooks once or twice.
      1. -2
        26 February 2024 09: 47
        WayKheThuo
        Mmm. When I read comments like this, I'm always surprised. This is written either by professional disinformers, or by people living in a delusional reality, perhaps not in Russia.
        It’s high time we took up the history books. I remember how my daughter came home from school and told me that in history class they said that things were bad in the USSR because they persecuted Sakharov and Solzhenitsyn. AT SCHOOL! CHILDREN! SUCH BULLSHIT!
        And the revision of history textbooks is not Putin’s initiative at all. He just brushed this off for a long time - he had enough other worries. But sensible, adequate people ensured that he gave instructions
  21. -12
    23 February 2024 15: 29
    Died p#zdun
    Slave lies
    He fell, forgotten by rumor,
    With a blood clot in the chest
    And thirsty for vodka
    He hung his shameless head
    The soul couldn't stand the lie
    Shame for not taking the Kremlin
    He fought for the money with inspiration, but was worn out and forgotten at the same time,
    One remained and died
    And then suddenly a whole choir howls,
    All NATO members and liberals,
    They shot up in voluptuousness, savoring the generally ordinary misfortune.
    Weren't you the ones who longed for his demise, transgender people, childless people, neither women nor men?
    Fate cruelly punished the liar, adventurer and foreign agent.
    There are no such things in presidents.
    1. 0
      26 February 2024 00: 44
      Oh, who doesn’t serve as president...
  22. -4
    23 February 2024 15: 36
    Most likely, he was killed by Illuminati Masons using cosmic rays using a flying saucer rented from the lizards. Why don't they give the body back and hide it? That's it, because the data is classified as secret! If I had died myself, this wouldn’t have happened. It is obvious.
  23. -8
    23 February 2024 15: 46
    Naval is an ORDINARY ADVENTURIST, of which there have been many in history. And almost all of them are practically forgotten. This is their fate - he himself chose this path.
    He was only interested in MONEY AND FAME, perhaps he was not interested in anything else.
    And who did not disdain either dirty money, or dirty people, or dirty lies.
    He did not expose anyone (except himself). All his revelations are from the category of yellow pages of the Internet about “planet Nibiru”, or “a maniac raped the entire train along with an electric locomotive.” Just as he himself was an absolutely immoral and unprincipled person, he assembled a team of equally unprincipled people who cheated and set each other up at the first opportunity.
    An ideal figure for Western intelligence services, who needed someone who would sell his own mother.
    Here is another scenario that can already cause alarm.
    In fact, with the help of overseas puppeteers, this zasranets organized a sect into which he actively attracted young people.
    Both his imprisonment and his death fit perfectly into the sectarian scenario with a sacred sacrifice.
    Just like a missing body. The only surprise is that he did not resurrect after 3 days.
    Christ had apostles, and among them was Judas. But here, were there any non-Judas among the apostles?
  24. +6
    23 February 2024 20: 57
    In general, again a series of notes - excuses and explanations. As always.
    No matter how you treat him, he lived and lived, was attacked, etc., returned to Russia, knowing that he would be seriously imprisoned, and then he died.
    Suspiciously quickly after the imprisonment of three more well-known figures - Strelkov, the Coordinator of the Left and a human rights activist. Hint? Maybe.
    In any case, no matter how you relate, he purposefully ascended to his Golgotha...

    (but somehow the famous oligarchs who left, and even allegedly donated to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are not imprisoned, and Chubais too, and the children...
  25. +1
    23 February 2024 22: 12
    I remembered how Putin relatively recently unveiled a monument to the victims of political repression.

    It turns out that the monument was built in advance? So that later there will be no need for a monument to the victims of Putin’s repressions?

    And he also unveiled a monument to Solzhenitsyn. Solzhenitsyn is a cult figure among our kleptocrats. Only for some reason he came out alive from the dungeons of the bloody regime.
  26. -2
    23 February 2024 23: 32
    This is from the field of medicine - for every person on Earth the time comes to die. For some it is earlier, for others it is later. Navalny's sentence came to 47 years. Albeit too timely for Western opponents.


    Death doesn't make anyone happy. All that remains is to sympathize with the family.
    However, and this is absolutely clear, Navalny’s death was planned by Angela Merkel many years ago when he was expelled from Germany. Putin clearly and obviously did not invite him. An interview with Navalny was posted on YouTube, in which he directly stated that he was returning to Russia not of his own free will. Apparently, all his further activities, an incomparable hero, corresponded to the scenario developed in the West, a sacrificial lamb from which they would then make a symbol. This is a long game. Navalny, apparently, was given no alternatives; he was forced to agree to the role for the sake of his family. Navalny understood perfectly well that he would most likely die at the right moment, like Nemtsov, as well as Saakashvili, but he could no longer change his fate. Either a dead hero, or a beggar, useless to anyone, unemployed in the West.
  27. +3
    24 February 2024 00: 59
    I really liked how Ruslan Usachev commented on the situation in his video: “It’s rotten in my soul.”
    I never had a positive attitude towards Navalny - I didn’t like him either by his type, or by his political views, or by his emphasis on the fight against corruption. From my point of view, this was a discoursemonger on the suction side of one of the towers - like Solovyov, only younger, more active, smarter and not disdaining real street movement.
    But, surprise!, this is a real political struggle - when different forces strive for power and hire mercenaries for an information war - this is normal.
    When Navalny was imprisoned and they began to force him into prison term after term, it became clear that the real political struggle in our country was over.
    Is this bad?
    As for me, yes, because any stagnation, the gluttony of the top leadership and the steadfastness of the System lead the country to the finals of the USSR, which is not what we would like.
    And Navalny was, of course, a rare thorn, and even with his death he spoiled the authorities considerably, without wanting it himself, of course.
    But the most wonderful thing awaits us ahead, when after 20 years it “suddenly” turns out that a good part of the materials and charges brought against N., to put it mildly, were sucked out of thin air by such a big pump - knowing our history, this is quite an acceptable thing.
    This will be a turn!
    And the article, by the way, is complete trash.
    Just like the author.
    I think so.
    1. -1
      24 February 2024 19: 57
      He wasn't any kind of pain. But they could have used the sacrificial lamb. In principle, the personality is not even important here - ritual murder, and then howl. Well, we see another package of sanctions
  28. -4
    24 February 2024 01: 12
    No matter how you look at it, the West did not need Navalny alive, only his dead body to accuse the Russian Federation of reprisals. The use of Navalny for provocation was predicted last year; of course, it is possible to reduce contacts by sending him beyond the Arctic Circle, but when the world hegemon is interested in the outcome, it is no longer possible to guarantee life anywhere. From the position of an ordinary citizen who has become familiar with Navalny’s case in Kirovles, there is no place for him on Russian soil even after death, let those he served bury him.
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 15: 47
      So they don’t refuse! But how to bury if the body is not given away?
  29. -3
    24 February 2024 01: 19
    No matter how you look at it, the West did not need Navalny alive, only his dead body to accuse the Russian Federation of reprisals. The use of Navalny for provocation was predicted last year; of course, it is possible to reduce contacts by sending him beyond the Arctic Circle, but when the world hegemon is interested in the outcome, it is no longer possible to guarantee life anywhere. From the position of an ordinary citizen who has become familiar with Navalny’s case in Kirovles, there is no place for him on Russian soil even after death, let him be buried by those whom he served on their own land, and not on Russian soil. He was not an oppositionist. He was an ideological corrupt official, he defined his position on fraud as “everyone did it that way”, not fitting into the corrupt system, he decided to become a traitor. He agreed to be used, and therefore was doomed: the money invested in him had to pay off.
  30. -2
    24 February 2024 05: 39
    Navalny’s wife needs to be investigated for involvement in the death of the Berlin patient.
  31. -1
    24 February 2024 14: 31
    Navalny is a politician who got involved with the wrong people.
    It was a mistake that he came back. He didn't have to come back here. I don’t understand why he was going back to Russia? Eating would still be banned like Yashin.
    In Russia there have been connections and nepotism since time immemorial, was there any point in changing this system?
    1. -5
      24 February 2024 14: 37
      Everything would be fine if it weren’t for his work for the enemies of our country. The United States always interferes with the collapse of the country. The USA was involved in the collapse of the USSR.
      In the 90s, I wanted whoever had power to remain in power.
    2. -6
      24 February 2024 14: 44
      They can ask military factories carte blanche for money and produce whatever they want, as much as they want. You can't even jump above your head. Throwing money into certain sectors does not solve the issue. We will not live better.
      I still think there is a mess in Russia at private enterprises.
      Putin came when the war was in Chechnya, apparently he will also leave when the war ends in Ukraine
      This conflict will raise the Russian economy to a new level
    3. -2
      24 February 2024 14: 50
      The USSR lived for 70 years under sanctions, and in most cases people lived well
      In order for people in power to change, like in the USSR, the system must be changed. So that parties rule the country.
      The USSR collapsed when pensioners began to rule the country.
  32. -3
    24 February 2024 15: 13
    I won't argue with anyone. tired of reading. so many thoughts, ideas, conjectures and assumptions. Navalny died.. Well, let the earth be for him (fluff, glassy, ​​etc., etc.), choose according to the state of your soul. But we need to fight... and beat the West, beat the West.... so forgive me for my English)) For those who are especially stubborn, I’ll say right away that I was there from 2014.... until 2022. The army came, we left. I saw many, both crucified, and disemboweled, and others. Therefore, I don’t always understand your arguments... Do you want to talk about this? Get up, put on your uniform and go into the trench - under drones, mortars, bullets.... Come back and you can talk. I will not hold a debate. Good luck to you, health and happiness...
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  34. -1
    24 February 2024 15: 20
    https://yandex.ru/video/preview/2358589148147167829
  35. 0
    24 February 2024 19: 07
    Such a prisoner needs an eye and an eye. If they didn’t save it, then the perpetrators need to be punished.
  36. +1
    24 February 2024 20: 52
    We didn’t forget his “poisoning” when he neutralized the “super series” in the most miraculous way. And his “miraculous recovery” in a Berlin clinic. Anyone who has connections with MI6 or the CIA, however, this is almost the same thing, should know that as they are no longer needed, they are always likely to become a “sacred victim.” It’s nothing personal, it’s just a method of intelligence services that is used for those released into circulation. In the 60s, a novel by a former CIA employee, Operation Condor, was published, which tells how, in order to achieve the goals of the operation, the CIA killed several of its staff members. And here is some former “Russian”. Moreover, his wife has already taken the empty seat. Belarusian version in Russian version. They didn’t even come up with anything else.
  37. -3
    26 February 2024 08: 00
    And to hell with it! No matter what causes this character to go crazy, Russia will be damned to blame!
    Personally, my version: the man was persistently looking for adventure, and finally adventure got tired of running from him.
  38. 0
    26 February 2024 15: 14
    If it is not in the interest of the authorities for him to die, give the body to his relatives, let it be announced that he himself died... and the fact that they don’t give it away makes me think, this is the first... second... I see a very clever manipulation going on, that they say who killed him anything (Ukraine, USA) but not the current government...however, they did not deprive him of his freedom, and in general, what questions might there be for them?
  39. 0
    27 February 2024 23: 30
    Profound article!
  40. +2
    1 March 2024 10: 40
    nothing is white or black. And Navalny had a lot of interesting things to say. But he finally fell under those who saw Russia in a coffin in white slippers = became an enemy.
    He is still being seriously promoted in the West as Putin’s number 1 opponent. And everyone knows perfectly well that he would never have received more than 5% of the votes, even in the best scenarios for him...