The victory we've been waiting for ten years

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The victory we've been waiting for ten years

Have you ever wondered why in “The Tale of the Golden Key” the only freak was Pinocchio? Why, no matter how hard Papa Carlo tried to cut off his long nose, this nasty growth on his face still grew long and long? All the other heroes of the fairy tale have completely normal human or animal appearance. Yes, with different characters, but without any physical flaws.

But the answer is quite simple. Pinocchio is the only hero who saw “beyond his own nose.” More precisely, he, like everyone else, saw only what was in front of his nose. But due to the length of this very nose, it turned out that he saw further than the others. This is such fabulous geometry. That's why this long-nosed, naive hooligan got the key.



I remembered this fairy-tale character in connection with other memories, or rather, comments on one material about the possible development of the spring-summer campaign of the Russian army. How many defeatists and traitors were revealed then.

How disgusting it was to read “specialists who have been through fire, water and copper pipes” who assured readers that there would be no victory, that Avdiivka was too tough for us at the moment, and so on. And the other named settlements are actually dreams, ghosts of the author’s fevered imagination...

This is a petty position, more typical of Ukrainian tzipsochniks than of Russian soldiers and officers. So “grow your noses” to see further. To argue with them is to humiliate yourself and your readers. And there is nothing to argue about. Arguments like “he’s a fool” don’t work. But there are no other “opposite” (precisely in the sense you were thinking about) sides.

And today we will talk, as you probably understand, about a soldier’s feat, about human happiness, about children and adults, for whom the capture of Avdiivka became a real holiday, which many had been waiting for for many years, and the kids almost their entire lives. This weekend became a holiday for me too. Thanks to the phone and computer. When a person shares his happiness with you, you become happy too.

Almost ten years of daily real threat


Yes, for almost ten years the wives did not know whether they would see their husbands alive when they left for work in the morning. Not for war, but for simple, peaceful work. For almost ten years, children could not safely walk in the courtyards. But they knew very well where to fall in the event of Ukrainian assassins shelling a yard or street.

Everyone has heard about the “Alley of Angels” in Donetsk, but there are also other angels. Those who were lucky enough to remain alive. These are children whose childhood was stolen. Children who forgot or did not know at all what the world was. But they know very well what war is, what it means to bury friends, relatives, acquaintances...

Children, parents, grandparents who know how to survive under conditions of state terrorism, but who will now have to learn to live in a peaceful city. After Marinka and Avdeevka, Donetsk from the city of a hero-martyr becomes simply a hero city.

I don’t know if you noticed another detail of the war, which was revived by the capture of the Avdeevka fortified area. For the first time, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Putin expressed gratitude to all the soldiers who took part in the assault. I am sure that many families keep such documents from the times of the Patriotic War.

Those who had the opportunity to live next to veterans of the Great Patriotic War remember how carefully they treated these thanks from the Supreme - Joseph Stalin. And they were no less proud of these thanks than they were of orders and medals. Now gratitude to grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be added to the documents of grandfathers and great-grandfathers. I just can’t help but quote the full text of this document:

"TELEGRAM
Supreme Commander
Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
Colonel General A. N. MORDVICHEV

Today, the “Center” group of troops, developing an offensive, completely captured the city of Avdeevka of the Donetsk People’s Republic.

The following formations and military units distinguished themselves in the battles for Avdeevka:
30th separate motorized rifle brigade of the 2nd Army;
35th separate motorized rifle brigade,
55th separate motorized rifle brigade (mountain),
74th separate motorized rifle brigade of the 41nd Army;
1th separate motorized rifle brigade,
9th separate motorized rifle brigade,
114th separate motorized rifle brigade,
1454th motorized rifle regiment,
10th Tank Regiment of the 1st Army Corps;
6th Tank Regiment,
80th Tank Regiment,
239th Tank Regiment
90-th tank division.

For excellent military operations, I express my gratitude to all the troops led by you who took part in the battles for Avdeevka.

Eternal glory to the heroes who fell in battle while solving the problems of a special military operation!

Supreme Commander-in-Chief
Armed Forces of the Russian Federation V. Putin.”


Winning a battle is not winning a war


But there is again another “but”.

The capture of Avdiivka is not a defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, not a “radical change” or anything like that. This is a won battle, but not a won war. I’m almost sure that someone will definitely write something like “everything always goes according to plan with him.” Alas, war is not waged “expecting miracles.” Any “miracle” is carefully prepared at the headquarters and heads of commanders and superiors. Indeed, victories come to those who have “everything according to plan”...

Let's return to Donetsk.

Yes, the most important fortified area, thanks to which the artillery of the Ukrainian Armed Forces almost constantly terrorized the city. And now, after some time, after clearing out the greenery and all those small villages and industrial zones that surround Donetsk, this will stop. Alas, not now and not even tomorrow. The time and work of our fighters to clear the territory... And the saboteurs and “sleepers” have not disappeared anywhere...

Even without wanting it, in the information space I constantly come across thoughts about how easy it will be to crush the Armed Forces of Ukraine now. “There are almost no trained units left,” “The West has abandoned Ukraine and will no longer help,” “weapons and ammunition are sorely lacking,” and so on, in the same spirit. And seemingly thinking people talk about it.

Without even wondering why their thoughts began to sound the same as the statements of Kyiv politicians and our most ardent enemies in the West. They are trying to convince us that soon, oh, this favorite word of Ukrainian propagandists, Russia will win. That the United States and its pack of mongrels are asleep and see negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv about peace. At the same time, carefully forgetting about Zelensky’s decree on the illegality of negotiations with the Kremlin.

I’ll ask the readers a simple question to the point of naivety. Does anyone believe that aid to Ukraine will stop? Honestly, are there such people or not?

Yes, the West is now in some confusion. Beginning of the year. It is necessary to distribute the funds allocated from the budget to those who are entitled to it. It is necessary to wait for the start of their development and the appearance of products. Businessmen who work with government agencies in any country in the world understood me perfectly.

In a couple of weeks everything will get better, and in March everything will work according to a completely familiar pattern. By May we will see planes in the Ukrainian skies. We will also see supplies of ammunition from completely “unexpected” countries. Not direct, but deliveries. By the way, our soldiers are already encountering such weapons today. Manufacturer tags from completely different countries, far from Russia and Ukraine, are found on rocket debris.

And ideas that today look like wild nonsense to some will turn into reality. For example, the idea of ​​a “Ukrainian counter-offensive”. Not global, in a narrow area, but a “counter-offensive”. And we know this very well. And “getting ready for the meeting.” Unfortunately, these conclusions are not only mine.

For the “noseless Pinocchio”, I will cite just a couple of hours ago the published statement of the first deputy chief of the General Staff, Colonel General Sergei Rudsky:

“The Ukrainian Armed Forces still retain their combat capability to conduct active operations. In the future, in the event of large-scale military assistance from the West, another attempt at a counter-offensive cannot be ruled out.”

A few thoughts about nothing


I will express a few thoughts about the fate of Ukraine.

These are not even conclusions, but just thoughts for thought. Perhaps beyond the scope of the topic, but, from my point of view, important and requiring voice-over. Such thoughts do not arise from specific statements by politicians and officials. This is an analysis of “not high-profile cases,” but something that usually does not cause a stir among readers.

It seems to me that the idea of ​​the disintegration of Ukraine into several states is increasingly finding supporters all over the world. Oddly enough, but also in Ukraine itself. Not many people know that for Ukrainians from the eastern and central regions it has now become a problem not only to leave the country, but also to simply move to the western regions.

Checkpoints on roads and train stations turn away such people and send them back. The fairy tale about the unity of the nation never came true.

We are no longer even discussing options for some kind of return of “Ukrainian” lands. According to our Constitution, two republics and two regions of the former Ukraine are regions of the Russian Federation. No matter what they say or write in the West, the issue has been removed and is not subject to discussion.

For the West, a united Ukraine is also a headache. A lot of money has been invested. It is not possible to return this investment in the foreseeable future. And voters are already asking. Especially considering the falling standard of living in most Western countries. The idea of ​​fighting the “monster from Moscow” is no longer popular. The “monster” is doing much better than the “fighters” against him.

Military victory over Russia did not work out. The West had to change the main goal of this war during the course of the Northern Military District. Not victory, but the disposal of obsolete weapons and “expired” ammunition. It seemed to work out, but... Money for disposal again had to be given to the West. A loan that will never be repaid...

The Yugoslav option suits Western politicians quite well in this situation. No country, no debt. No country - no obligations. This means there are no costs for restoring what was destroyed. Each individual Western country can choose a piece of the former Ukraine for itself and pump resources from there independently...

And how can we remember the words of the Russian President that the escalation of the conflict will be the end of a united Ukraine?

These are thoughts about nothing...

Life goes on


I will return to the victory of our troops in Avdeevka.

Many people were waiting for the victory and “bringing it closer as best they could.” Those who once stood up to defend Donbass. Then, when there was no talk of the collapse of Ukraine. Those same “miners and drivers”, ordinary Russian citizens of Ukraine who did not betray their ancestors. Those Russians and citizens of other countries who stood shoulder to shoulder with local heroes...

The North Military District and everything that is happening today is a continuation of the war that began almost ten years ago. Wars against death. Wars for life. Quite often at zero you can meet fighters who are “from those, from the first.” Thirty-to-forty-year-old men with wise eyes and faces battered by gunpowder... This is their victory, even if the unit was not even near Avdeevka.

We learned to fight in new conditions. We have learned to win. We want to win. And this is the main thing today.

Many thanks to all the soldiers and commanders for this victory. I think the Moscow Region and the Supreme Commander will not skimp on awards and encouragement. I understand, “we are not fighting for rewards,” but as Terkin put it:

- No, guys, I'm not proud.
Without making a distance
So I say: why do I need an order?
I agree to the medal.

And another stanza:

Provide, since I am worthy.
And you must all understand:
The simplest thing is -
The man came from the war.
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  1. +24
    22 February 2024 04: 16
    The kingdom of heaven to the dead, condolences to the families, recovery to the wounded! And the most important thing is that the next ruler does not waste everything achieved in 50 years! How it happened quite recently, literally yesterday, by the standards of history.
    1. -27
      22 February 2024 10: 12
      By analogy with the Second World War, the capture of Avdeevka is equivalent to winning the Battle of Kursk.
      1. +8
        22 February 2024 10: 33
        Why is this scared? The capture of Avdeevka is an insignificant operational gain that does not carry far-reaching consequences. For any more significant consequences for establishing “peace” it is necessary to take control of at least the entire left bank... But there is no strength for this and, most likely, there will not be...
        1. -7
          22 February 2024 11: 37
          - insignificant operational gain,
          Do you consider the capture of a fortress that was designed and then built for SEVEN years by Western specialists, and for the capture of which several thousand lost their lives (according to some Russian sources, up to 16000)?
          First, they did not give the opportunity to build the so-called “Zaluzhny line”.
          Secondly, the number of attacks on the DPR, which lasted ten years, will significantly decrease.
          Third, the moral value for Russia is undeniable. As is the image blow to Ukraine and the West.
          The conversation is about the meaning, because it is pointless to compare the situation, equipment, methods and methods of conducting combat operations, including Vasilevsky and Gerasimov.
          1. +9
            22 February 2024 16: 30
            The capture of a fortress that was designed and then built by Western specialists for SEVEN years.

            Well then, show me these fortifications that Western specialists created in Avdeevka
      2. +1
        22 February 2024 14: 24
        By analogy with the Second World War, the capture of Avdeevka is equivalent to winning the Battle of Kursk.

        I would like to, but I'm afraid not.
        I don’t even hesitate to suggest that there will be an analogue - the liberation of Kharkov.
        When this happens, the days of the Kyiv regime will be numbered.
        And Avdeevka is something like lifting the blockade from Leningrad.
        1. 0
          24 February 2024 10: 34
          Partial lifting of the blockade - Operation Iskra. But no more.
      3. 0
        22 February 2024 16: 35
        You should at least try to draw analogies correctly, or something... Although thinking with analogies is still disastrous.
    2. +4
      22 February 2024 22: 36
      Quote: ASAD
      The kingdom of heaven to the dead, condolences to the families, recovery to the wounded!

      how smooth everything is with you.. I said a mantra and everything seems to be fine and then there are a bunch of pluses on the topic.. and my friend came.. we’ll go and learn again.. well, it’s the same for me, not for you..
      1. -2
        23 February 2024 03: 49
        What else can you say after the shots at the training ground? What I really think will be banned immediately. This is how it is, both in life and online, with caution.
  2. -11
    22 February 2024 05: 23
    This is a petty position, more typical of Ukrainian tzipsochniks than of Russian soldiers and officers.

    So maybe it was the Ukrainians in disguise who were making Avdeevka homesick for a plate of stew? It’s unlikely that anyone will argue with the fact that there are a lot of them here.
    1. -5
      22 February 2024 13: 14
      Comrade, it looks like it’s here. and there are enough “Vlasovites”.
  3. -4
    22 February 2024 05: 33
    thanks to Pindo-sam who stopped supplying shells
    1. +10
      22 February 2024 08: 04
      No, not am, but thanks to those Russian people: soldiers, officers and privates, participants in battles, citizens supporting their own, residents of Donetsk and Lugansk.
      1. -4
        22 February 2024 08: 11
        don't offend pin-dos, a fact is a fact
  4. +10
    22 February 2024 05: 45
    Pinocchio in the fairy tale did not particularly shine with intelligence, he was simply fabulously lucky and the characters nearby always helped. It seems that the article is good, sober, without hats flying in all directions, but some phrases are knocked out. This is not a victory, this is a won battle for a populated area, victory is still far away, and with vague goals, victory can be either very close or very far away. Regarding the fact that we have learned to fight in a new way, just a few days ago there was an article where it was said that Avdiivka was stormed head-on, perhaps this is really the only correct tactic, but unfortunately it is usually associated with losses, then ours manage to storm fortified positions with fantastic indicators in the ratio of enemy losses to our own, speaks of the high professionalism of our troops, which I do not doubt at all, because we are taking truly fortified objects with a well-armed enemy equipped with satellite reconnaissance. Therefore, the battle for Avdeevka is a serious blow to the enemy, but one thing I’m afraid of is that Pinocchio turns out to be Pinnochio, he also had a long nose......
    1. +9
      22 February 2024 06: 04
      Just as Alice and Basilio deceived Pinocchio, so Merkel and Hollande deceived you know who.
      1. +5
        22 February 2024 06: 26
        Pinocchio, according to the fairy tale, saw beyond his own nose, but he did not have a “cunning plan.”
        1. 0
          26 February 2024 12: 06
          Pinocchio in the fairy tale had neither a cunning plan nor brains. There was only one nose.
    2. +18
      22 February 2024 07: 44
      The late Murz, of blessed memory, speaks of 16 thousand killed during the assault on Avdeevka. So the indicators announced by the command are truly fantastic. The reality is much worse...
      1. -12
        22 February 2024 09: 35
        How can an ordinary sergeant know about irrevocable losses a couple of days after the end of a long operation? That's right - out of nowhere.
        1. +2
          22 February 2024 10: 03
          Quote: Kolin
          How can an ordinary sergeant know about irrevocable losses a couple of days after the end of a long operation? That's right - out of nowhere.

          You can see better from the sofa that he was wrong
          1. +1
            22 February 2024 14: 33
            You can see better from the sofa that he was wrong

            Mack and he haven’t been in the trenches for a long time, unfortunately.
            Before you write, you should at least read his channel.
        2. 0
          24 February 2024 10: 36
          From there. That he is a participant in these events.
        3. 0
          26 February 2024 12: 08
          Most likely, he exaggerated the total losses. But I certainly saw with my own eyes how column after column was burned during numerous assaults. And, most likely, he saw off his comrades a lot, and the last journey...
      2. -3
        22 February 2024 14: 32
        The late Murz, of blessed memory, speaks of 16 thousand killed during the assault on Avdeevka.

        And some here at VO hanging out about 50000.
        It is important to understand that these are all estimates.
        Either honest, or deliberately false, but in any case dubious.
        Information is not enough.
        MO of course knows...
        1. 0
          26 February 2024 12: 13
          On all government platforms they shout that the ratio of losses is 1 to 10 in our favor. Official statements are full of figures of 400 killed Armed Forces officers. Can you calculate the losses of the Russian army for 000 years? In Vietnam in the 2s and 1960s, the United States lost from 70 to 45 thousand soldiers killed. In 60 years. Here in 10 years there are already 2. Anyone who comes to rule after EdRa simply has to ask the previous “geniuses” for the “effective” policies and wars of the last 40000 years.
  5. +9
    22 February 2024 06: 03
    the author went somewhere, calling Pinocchio a freak. Pinocchio is a curious but exemplarily honest Soviet boy with a constant nose length, as a counterbalance to Pinocchio, since Pinocchio often lied and this changed the length of his nose. And his long and sharp nose allowed Pinocchio to make random discoveries - for example, when he wanted to eat, he accidentally pierced the canvas with his nose on which a fireplace with a hot pot was painted.... Well, there is a closet behind this canvas. "Fairytale geometry" about the length of the nose Pinocchio is somehow tactless towards a Russian soldier or militia, since they find, destroy and defeat not an abstract enemy drawn on a canvas, but destroy specific Nazi followers of Bandera.
  6. +20
    22 February 2024 06: 21
    The victory we've been waiting for ten years

    It sounds like an election slogan, apparently “everything is according to plan,” and any negative news from the front should simply be banned...
  7. +12
    22 February 2024 06: 58
    These are thoughts about nothing...
    Exactly, what thoughts, such an article that pretends to be analytical.
    1. +11
      22 February 2024 08: 01
      Exactly, what thoughts, such an article that pretends to be analytical.

      To paraphrase Kipling as translated by Filatov
      Oh, the Author is the Author, Analytics is Analytics, they will never meet...
      1. +10
        22 February 2024 08: 03
        Oh, the Author is the Author, Analytics is Analytics, they will never meet...
        laughing good hi
  8. +1
    22 February 2024 07: 57
    I don’t understand the arrogance of some who shout that we won’t give anything to anyone. We need to restore everything there, feed all these sleeping people and so on. Let them take whatever they want, it’s easier for us.
    1. -6
      22 February 2024 09: 01
      Quote: Vadim S
      Let them take whatever they want, it’s easier for us.

      Eh no!! Let them take the memory. The rest (main) is Russia
  9. 0
    22 February 2024 08: 17
    The future will show how, after the victory at Stalingrad, there may still be a long way to go. The most valuable thing is the officers and soldiers who have learned to fight - this is a certain gold reserve that almost no one in the world has now.
    1. +7
      22 February 2024 08: 48
      Quote: Igor1915
      The future will show, as after the victory at Stalingrad

      How's Stalingrad? Stalingrad again? Artyomovsk seems to have been written down as Stalingrad, this was almost a year ago.

      By the way. According to the timing of the Second World War, it is now the summer of 43, Kursk.
      1. 0
        22 February 2024 19: 22
        Stalingrad was more or less the first military victory.
        1. -2
          23 February 2024 01: 43
          Stalingrad (or rather the failure of Blau as a whole) is nothing more than a series of accidents on the German side. At Kursk, the falling (albeit still high) German quality was no longer enough to overcome the growing Soviet quantity. There, perhaps, a turning point can be recorded - then this trend continued.

          I don’t remember any “commander’s” victories at all.

          Well, Artyomovsk - Avdeevka have nothing to do with the mentioned events. New PCV against a stronger enemy.
  10. +5
    22 February 2024 08: 52
    That's interesting.

    The author cannot help but understand that he is writing on a “military-patriotic” resource. That is, a considerable part of readers know about the circumstances of Murzik’s death - in fact, it has already surfaced in the comments, 9 am Moscow time. This means that you need to either close comments immediately (which in itself will cause a stir among regular participants), or somehow postpone the Avdeevka topic for now.

    But no.
    1. +2
      22 February 2024 09: 09
      Quote: Negro
      That's interesting.

      ...

      But no.

      The article was being moderated. This is an editorial miscalculation (or not what ).
      1. +7
        22 February 2024 09: 28
        I recall the previous famous article by the same author on the defense of the Russian city of Kherson. It also came out in an extremely timely manner.

        By the way. For a year and a half, two Russian regional centers were under Nazi occupation.
        1. +10
          22 February 2024 09: 30
          Quote: Negro
          I remember the previous famous article by the same author

          The work of a political instructor is like that, you know... difficult and dangerous request
  11. +20
    22 February 2024 09: 21
    I couldn't finish reading the author's vocabulary diarrhea.
    Joy, as from the capture of Washington.
    Tens of thousands of fighters were killed in frontal attacks.
    We learned to fight in new conditions. We have learned to win. We want to win. And this is the main thing today.
    - sounds like a mockery.

    We didn't learn.
    1. -8
      22 February 2024 14: 27
      This is a petty position, more typical of Ukrainian tzipsochniks than of Russian soldiers and officers.

      This is about you.
      1. +6
        22 February 2024 15: 24
        If you consider any opinion different from the opinion of the jingoistic media (which are usually traitors like Solovyov, Kadyrov and others and narrow-minded people like the Simonians) to be the opinion of tsipso, then it’s time for you to stop watching TV
  12. +9
    22 February 2024 09: 43
    How disgusting it was to read “specialists who have been through fire, water and copper pipes” who assured readers that there would be no victory, that Avdiivka was too tough for us at the moment, and so on.
    Who could possibly write something like this in VO, examples?! Or again, the author is having a conversation with himself. Like he was the only one who believed in victory wassat
  13. +12
    22 February 2024 09: 49
    Compared to the cauldrons that the Donbass militias created for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Avdeevka is not impressive.
    Izvarin cauldron - up to 8000 surrounded
    Ilovaisk cauldron - 5 surrounded
    Debaltsevo boiler - 8000
    Ambrosievsky cauldron - 8000
    Elenivsky cauldron - 2000
    Environment at Lugansk airport - 2000
    That’s when it was possible to go to Kyiv, Odessa, or Lviv.
    But we have a super-naive Putin, who is deceived by everyone.
    1. +1
      22 February 2024 18: 14
      It turns out that the junta was defeated by military means, the junta capitulated, but instead of finishing off the junta, the Minsk agreements were concluded with it, thereby giving time to strengthen. Tough.
    2. -3
      22 February 2024 22: 51
      Is there really a boiler in Avdeevka? The enemy, for the most part, fled, leaving scattered resistance groups, some of which were surrounded. If the few Avdeevka prisoners are handed over to the residents of Donetsk for trial, then I will not envy them - they will simply be lynched (without the right of reinstatement among those living in this world).
  14. +19
    22 February 2024 09: 54
    the author is a man from the past.... serenely believing in the inevitable bright future..... in communism by 1980, in perestroika, in solving the housing problem for every Russian family by the year 2000, in the 500 days program, in capitalism with a human face , at the end of sanctions against Russia within 2 years by 2016, the joyful anticipation of the citizens of Ukraine for the arrival of Russia...... and the forum specialists are realists - skeptics. life in our country teaches us not to trust anyone or anything... only our own eyes. one former president of our country assured: “there is no money, but you hold on...” damn it lied.....money is now flowing like a river for national housing construction, and for war, and for confiscation by Western partners
    about the war in Ukraine. judging by the two-year butting almost on the spot, there is no point in expecting a quick end to the war. It is impossible to win an unconditional victory with such forces... only tactical successes.
    so an inevitable agreement awaits us.
    Having not achieved what we wanted, we will be assured that we wanted what was achieved. Well, we are skeptics, once again we will pretend that we believe in it.
    1. +9
      22 February 2024 10: 16
      But they don’t need our faith. They didn’t care about our skepticism and ability to analyze. They wrote off a long time ago, a deleted generation, not a core asset. The main thing is to create a beautiful picture for bloggers, gamers and managers and in no case interfere with their carefree, peaceful life.
    2. +14
      22 February 2024 10: 21
      Quote from moneron
      so an inevitable agreement awaits us.
      Your forecast is sad, but, unfortunately, the most realistic to reality.
      Who and what is stopping us? If we remember here South Ossetia, 2008, why the troops were stopped, the road to Tbilisi was open, it was possible to finish what had been started, and Georgia would have become at least neutral, and at most with a pro-Russian regime.
      Who stopped the militia in Donbass when the road to empty Mariupol was also open? Who did not recognize Donbass for 8 years, allowed the Nazis to grow stronger and purge pro-Russian forces in Ukraine? Finally, why, without recognizing the referendums in Lugansk and Donetsk, did they recognize the Nazi elections, allowing those who carried out the anti-constitutional coup in Kyiv to be legalized?
      Why were no significant steps taken for the crime in Odessa, moreover, how did they drive raw materials and pay for transit, it continued?
      It took almost 1943 years and 44 military operations to liberate Ukraine from the Nazis in 2-15. Our loud “denazification” and “demilitarization” seem to be impossible from the start; for this we need the USSR and Soviet power, and not Russian oligarchs henpecked by the West.
      As for the author, he is far from a naive person, but I think there is such a thing as ordering an article on the right topic and with the right conclusions. The author here is only a performer.
      1. +1
        22 February 2024 10: 36
        Everything that happened since 2014, because it was recently, who wants to read the news on the Internet about how everything happened. And now they don’t say what happened and what controversial decisions were made that will later play a negative role.
      2. +4
        22 February 2024 12: 25
        So Georgia is now neutral and trying to distance itself as much as possible from all this.
        1. +1
          22 February 2024 17: 25
          In order for Georgia to become neutral, it abandoned Mishiko and his party
      3. -4
        22 February 2024 18: 19
        Who stopped the militia in Donbass

        The Azov people were recently released, but Abramovich could not order the military to do this, it seems that the order was given by Shoigu or the guarantor.
      4. 0
        24 February 2024 13: 44
        I agree with everything except one.
        As for the author, he is far from a naive person, but I think there is such a thing as ordering an article on the right topic and with the right conclusions. The author here is only a performer.

        Not a performer, but a direct accomplice. Because understands everything perfectly well, but continues to shower gold on the heads of inexperienced readers.
  15. +7
    22 February 2024 10: 24
    The article is interesting, the author apparently believes in what he writes. It is not clear why this article ended up in “Analytics” - there is no smell of analysis here, it is just a set of thoughts of the Author, very controversial thoughts.
    1. -1
      22 February 2024 10: 42
      Quote: S.Z.
      It is not clear why this article ended up in Analytics - there is no smell of analysis here,

      Who told you this? You have several one-sided understanding of analytics is visible. Maybe it’s just a question of analysis, not in the situation as the author sees it, but in the content of the comments? laughing
      1. +4
        22 February 2024 12: 13
        Quote: Adrey
        Who told you this? You apparently have a somewhat one-sided understanding of analytics.


        Maybe it’s one-sided, but dissuade me.
        Where are the facts, where is the method of analysis, at least the course of evidence or thoughts? Only emotions.
        It sounds like this - we took Avdeevka, so we learned to fight, and we want to win.

        The text between the first and second are the emotional thoughts of the Author, which do not lead the reader to this conclusion (“we want to win” is not a conclusion at all, so, did we get into a fight without wanting to win?).

        Before that we took Mariupol, Soledar, Artemovsk. Did we take them somehow wrong? Was the loss ratio worse?

        In general, this is not an analysis.
        1. 0
          22 February 2024 12: 33
          Quote: S.Z.
          Maybe it’s one-sided, but dissuade me.

          You just didn’t understand me, dear Sergey. Re-read my post again. After the last comma, insert: "uh...maybe..." hi
          1. +2
            22 February 2024 13: 01
            I put it in and understood even less. :)
            1. 0
              22 February 2024 13: 03
              Quote: S.Z.
              I put it in and understood even less. :)

              Fine. Why do you think that the author is trying to analyze something in the situation at LBS? Maybe they are analyzing us? That's clearer?
              1. 0
                22 February 2024 14: 34
                More clear. But why?

                By the way, the complaint is not against the Author, but against those who post it - as I understand it, the editor chooses the section.
                1. +1
                  22 February 2024 14: 39
                  Quote: S.Z.
                  More clear. But why?

                  request "the paths are not confessed...". Who knows what's on the mind. I’m not confirming anything, but we can’t rule it out either.
                  Quote: S.Z.
                  As I understand it, the column is chosen by the editor
                  request
                  I know, I know about the “shadow government” and “persecution mania” laughing
                  1. +1
                    22 February 2024 15: 33
                    Quote: Adrey
                    I know, I know about the “shadow government” and “persecution mania”


                    Not about that at all. There have already been several comments about other materials that they are not in the right categories. The authors themselves claim that they do not choose the section, but the editors, that’s all. Shadow government is not my nonsense.
                    1. ada
                      -1
                      23 February 2024 05: 21
                      Quote: S.Z.
                      Not about that at all.

                      Quote: S.Z.
                      More clear. But why?

                      Quote: S.Z.
                      I put it in and understood even less. :)

                      Quote: S.Z.
                      In general, this is not an analysis.

                      good
  16. +8
    22 February 2024 10: 29
    It's good to be a member of the VO administration. Any set of letters can be pushed into “Analytics”
  17. -6
    22 February 2024 10: 45
    Quote: VZEM100
    don't offend pin-dos, a fact is a fact

    So they stopped, because they saw that even with their prodigies, the Ukrainians were raking to the fullest. Well, they don’t steal like children, what would we do without it.
  18. +8
    22 February 2024 10: 56
    It’s probably still not good that you begin to recognize the author of an article by its first lines and immediately lose interest in reading it... request
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  20. 0
    22 February 2024 11: 29
    The Avdeevsky fortified area has fallen! But what next?
    1. +1
      22 February 2024 13: 46
      Quote: Rand-76
      The Avdeevsky fortified area has fallen! But what next?

      Well, what can I tell you? There aren't a lot of Wangs and Nostradamus here, so stay tuned for the news... Yes
    2. +2
      22 February 2024 15: 11
      As Lyusya Arrestovich once said: Well, the Russians will take Bakhmut, and what will change from this? We still have a couple hundred of these bakhmuts...
    3. 0
      22 February 2024 23: 14
      What's next? And this is how you look at it. From the “hurray” side - the patriots: now the enemy will flee to the English Channel, or even to Gibraltar (or even to the Panama Canal). On the part of the supreme power, the enemy is demoralized to the extreme and new ones can be concluded “to which there is no alternative” (until a new SVO). On the part of those who think pragmatically and realistically, the Northern Military District cauldron is still boiling and boiling, because beyond Avdeevka there is also Krasnoarmeyskoe (from where rockets still fly across Donetsk with enviable frequency), Krasny Liman and a host of other settlements for which they will have to pay and pay with soldiers’ lives . But the mortal enemy, it seems, does not intend to give up and he is still far from defeat.
  21. BAI
    -7
    22 February 2024 11: 35
    For the first time, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Putin expressed gratitude to all the soldiers who took part in the assault. I am sure that many families keep such documents from the times of the Patriotic War.

    It's time to revive the practice of fireworks on the occasion of the capture of important objects.
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    2. 0
      22 February 2024 12: 22
      It's time to revive the practice of fireworks on the occasion of the capture of important objects.

      In fact, your comparison with WWII is still not correct.
  22. +7
    22 February 2024 11: 52
    The article is very long and creates a painful feeling. It is absolutely clear that in 2014 our leadership missed the only possible option for a relatively bloodless solution to the issue of the outskirts. In 2024, it is already clear to everyone that we have got involved in an ill-calculated adventure with an incomprehensible outcome, in which there is no end in sight. In this situation, as usual, they will rely on the courage and self-sacrifice of the RUSSIAN OFFICER AND SOLDIER.
    1. +6
      22 February 2024 15: 35
      And the most unpleasant thing is that they also ridiculed those numerous people who explained almost on their fingers that such an ideal moment would no longer happen.
      I remember how captivating the mood was. That if we want, we can reach Washington at least tomorrow! But the “leaven” intoxication ended, a severe hangover came and suddenly it turned out that reality was much more complicated and terrible...
  23. 0
    22 February 2024 14: 25
    This is a petty position, more typical of Ukrainian tzipsochniks than of Russian soldiers and officers.

    Well, it finally came out....
  24. -3
    22 February 2024 14: 57
    How many Ukrainian prisoners were taken?
  25. +2
    22 February 2024 16: 27
    But in 2014 it was possible to nip everything in the bud. Interesting, will anyone bear responsibility for the Minsk agreements? How many more similar Avdeevkas are there ahead?
    1. -1
      22 February 2024 23: 22
      Don't worry, they will find the "extreme"! laughing I suspect they have already found it. They found it and “posted it” (soldered in for 4 years). There is no point in hesitating and the truth - cutting the uterus! First he is guilty that he prophesied inappropriately, now he is guilty that the prophecies come true.
  26. +2
    22 February 2024 17: 01
    Without a correct political decision on the fate of the Bandera regime and its functionaries, all military victories are fruitless.
  27. -1
    22 February 2024 18: 16
    Wasn’t the victory associated with the capture of Avdeevka overly inflated? Yes, this malignant abscess was eliminated. At least they won’t fire from mortars at Donetsk, and that’s good, but they shoot from 155. Strategically, from the couch it is not clear what this will give. What propagandists say about the prospects is unconvincing. Until they advance at least 10-20 km. For 4 days the movement is very low. Maybe Avdeevka is not the place where it was necessary to break through? Everything is unclear, everything is shaky? The losses are big. Kingdom of heaven to the dead and glory to the stormtroopers.
    1. 0
      23 February 2024 11: 11
      There are simply no more reasons to inform. That’s why they’re running around with this Avdeevka. Recently there was a lackluster interview with the tsar, it’s no longer interesting, it’s not easy to discuss a dying economy and galloping inflation with exchange rates before theatrical elections.
  28. Uno
    -1
    22 February 2024 20: 52
    Well, in a certain context, I take my hat off to the author, for so many years he has been writing “uplifting” articles, from which all users are already shivering and not to be shy, you have to be able to do this
  29. -1
    22 February 2024 23: 28
    Comrade, believe: she will rise,
    Star of captivating happiness... (A. S., Pushkin “To Chaadaev”)

    But I would (personally) hold off on this very belief. Until the circumstances are clarified? sad
  30. 0
    23 February 2024 01: 03
    What will happen when deliveries of missiles with a range of 500 km begin?
  31. -3
    23 February 2024 07: 05
    It came flooding in. As a child, everything was imbued with respect and memory of the Great Patriotic War. We watched and re-watched films, “fought” as children, no one wanted to be a fascist. If you met an elderly person without medal bars, respect for him was a couple of hundred points lower than for a veteran. And almost all of them were veterans over 60. Reading about Marat Kazei, Valya Kotik, and the Young Guards, I wanted to take revenge! Now there is an opportunity to take revenge, but the armored vehicle with a machine gun and unloading is heavy.
    1. +1
      23 February 2024 17: 58
      Somehow I didn’t evaluate the elderly based on their medal standards...
      And you - yes?
    2. +1
      23 February 2024 19: 15
      "It's surging."
      We are leaving slowly. I ask my 12-year-old granddaughter: “Who is Valya Kotik?” He doesn’t know. “What is Shepetivka famous for?” I suggest: "Ostrovsky". Does not know. Which Soviet schoolchildren didn’t know? This is about the state's attitude towards patriotism.
      "Stalingrad (or rather the failure of Blau as a whole) is nothing more than a series of accidents on the German side."
      This is no more a mistake than the Russian soldiers. My father is among them. He fought at a tractor factory.
      "Oh no!! Let them take the memory. The rest (the main thing) is for Russia"
      I don’t know what should happen to Ukraine after our Victory. I know one thing - fascism must be destroyed. And - "Kiev is the mother of Russian cities." I'm afraid of a "negotiation." There will be a “negotiation” - the grandchildren of the current soldiers will have to decide on “denafification”.
  32. +1
    23 February 2024 15: 19
    Something here is reminiscent of last year’s odes and panegyrics for Bakhmut... But I wish I could find numbers or at least sober estimates of losses or the ratio of losses of the parties. So no!
  33. -1
    23 February 2024 17: 57
    Have you ever wondered why in “The Tale of the Golden Key” the only freak was Pinocchio?

    I never thought that Pinocchio is a freak. Then these are freaks.... Let me count.... Kolobok, Emelya-, Chippolino, Ivanushka-, etc. etc... Maybe the freak is the author of the comment?
  34. 0
    24 February 2024 23: 49
    This makes me happy. What next?