Soviet and post-Soviet research institutes and design bureaus as a conveyor belt for the destruction of development resources

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Soviet and post-Soviet research institutes and design bureaus as a conveyor belt for the destruction of development resources

In the field of public discussion of the problems of our country, issues such as the insufficient pace of technological progress, the lack of specialists and ordinary labor force, and much more, constantly come up, and in this style.

Discussing all this in general is somewhat problematic for an ordinary person, but you can use the approach “the sea is reflected in a small drop” and see how the same problems exist in a medium-sized research institute.



In 2008, I got a job as a leading engineer at the Research Institute of Physical Measurements, Penza.

For me, working at this research institute was more than familiar; I worked there from the mid-80s to the mid-90s. Since its inception, NIIFI has been focused on creating sensors and specialized measuring equipment for the space industry.

The beginning of the 2000s was characterized by the fact that oil prices began to rise, some money appeared in the state, but at the same time a series of bright and colorful failures began to occur with our missiles. And the question - what is happening there with our missiles - created a focus of tangible financial flow at NIIFI.

Since this organization employs a bunch of people who are related to each other, then, in addition to official silence on all sensitive issues, the organization was riddled with rumors that our total research institute budget first reached 0,7 (approximately 2008–2009), then 0,9. 1,3; then 2,1; 2,7 and 2012 (XNUMX) billion rubles.

Here you can ask a very simple question - who will do the intellectual content of projects for these generally huge financial flows.

Here it is worth looking at the main caliber battleship Institute - Doctors of Technical Sciences.

Here, in the first place, naturally, is the “Red Tie” - the general director, who is also the chief designer, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Honored Mechanical Engineer of the Russian Federation, professor, corresponding member of the Space Academy, author of a huge number of articles and inventions (in any documents all of these Positions should never be abbreviated or written in small letters).

There is only one problem here: “Red Tie” did not write either these articles, or inventions (at least since the mid-80s), or his dissertations. In the past, he simply worked as deputy director for scientific work. In the 80s, communication at an average and higher level sometimes resembled the communication of packs of mongrels during the rutting season, and “Red Tie” worked as a “wall of cotton wool” into which waves of squabbles escaped.

Another doctor of science at the research institute was a figure nicknamed “White Fang”. He can most correctly be described as a champion of Penza and, perhaps, the entire Penza region in writing and receiving copyright applications for inventions.

We common people often misunderstand what inventions are.

Just imagine, really smart specialists are thinking and working on some complicated project. When they reach a practically valuable result, it will take many stages and a lot of time. Although already approximately in the middle of the work it becomes clear where the project should be headed. And at this time the White Fang is circling around and around. He doesn't need the final result, he needs to grab and cling to the fog in the form of which ideas exist at this stage of the project.

Actually, the best form of registration of an invention is this fog - a form ideally convenient for trolling (the actual real purpose of patent activity), and which can be capitalized even before any practical result. The explanation for why “White Fang” was not regularly given a nickel for his “inventions” somewhere in the toilet is very simple: his dad was an important leader in the penitentiary system.

Grandmother Tonya was the third Doctor of Science at the research institute.

She headed the accelerometer division. Somewhere in the fall of 2008, she ran into our laboratory and began to explain that her accelerometers were taken for testing somewhere in Moscow, put into centrifuges... and they all died successfully.

She tried to apply the popular method of solving problems, which consists in running around everywhere and cackling: “Here is the problem!.. Here is the problem!.. What to do?.. What to do?”

The young people in our laboratory dealt with such problems much easier - they simply falsified test results. I don’t have exact information whose accelerometer was used on the Luna-24 device, but if it was the development of Tony’s grandmother (or her protégé), then the result obtained is quite natural: she was always trying to sit on someone’s tail in creating developments , but there have been terrible tensions with this since the beginning of the 90s.

In addition to the above-mentioned high-status scientific figures, the NIIFI had a thinner audience - all sorts of candidates of science. Some of them made a discovery in their dissertation - they simply took and discovered a cubic spline, someone increased the sensor signal from 5 millivolts to about 4,5 volts, for others, their dad simply ordered a dissertation from the local polytechnic.

I don’t know anything about the dissertations of some of them, but judging by what they wrote in scientific reports, their dissertations could contain the most terrible obscurantism.

It is worth emphasizing that the actual organization of work at NIIFI was directed and mostly carried out by two “gray cardinals”. Both of them had suffered from alcoholism in the past, but by that time they had already managed to either quit or become coded.

It was they who knew better than anyone how to correctly design and organize all the work according to all the canons, what tests follow what tests, where, what kind of letter should be placed and in what corner. And when any difficult question arose regarding military acceptance from a particularly complex bureaucratic scholasticism, it was these two who could set the movement in the right direction.

When I got a job at NIIFI in 2008, the research institute seemed to me like a terribly overripe fruit. They were completely shut down, absolutely everywhere. I assumed that it was possible to come to an agreement with them and rectify the situation.

Let's start with the simplest


It was I who, at the turn of the 90s, obtained, mastered PCAD 4.5 (CAD for electronics development) and put it into work, first for my laboratory, and then transferred this knowledge to the designers of NIIFI.

But when in 2008 I looked at the current state of the designers of that at that time already prehistoric PCAD, I discovered that out of the entire set of commands they used a rare sadomasia - Draw/Line (draw/line), Draw/Circ (draw/circle) , Draw/Rect (draw/rectangle). PCAD 4.5, although old, was a very serious system in which almost all work should be done in terms of Comp (component) and Wire (connection).

In 2010, the Altium Designer electronics development system was purchased for NIIFI. Training was provided on this system.

And based on this simplest case, we can see a typical method for destroying development resources.

Girls with zero tracing experience and near-zero desire to delve into the complexities of the system were sent to study at Altium Designer.

After training, one of them put the parts in the form of squares in one pile, rectangles in another pile, and turned on auto-routing.

The parts were connected by conductors, and the “100%” flag was displayed. For anyone who knows anything about tracing, this kind of work will make the hair on end stand on end.

For comparison: our tracer will not only complete the entire annual NIIFI program in the company where I work now in one or two weeks, but will also do it with a full understanding of all aspects of electrodynamics, printed circuit board technology and subsequent production on the assembly line.

When I tried to explain to Gena K., this girl’s boss, the essence of the complaints, he first began to smile, then laugh. He had reinforced concrete excuses - wherever possible, he would do everything according to the regulations from the 80s. Automatically, regulatory control will not make any claims against him. And the entire remaining research institute does not have enough brains to understand where the mystical effects come from.

Somewhere around this time, the general director of Red Tie held a meeting on the implementation of CAD systems. According to the stories, he rubbed something with inspiration for a whole hour and a half.

Purely theoretically, one could approach him and try to offer and explain something. At that time, I had good experience in the development of printed circuit boards, electronics modeling, finite element analysis, mathematical packages, embedded software development, and initial experience in the DSP field.

But here it all comes down to the fact that “Red Tie” by this time was an openly psychotic grandfather, and the objective essence of the proposals boils down to the fact that you not only do something yourself, but also the rules of a large mass of people change, for example, PCB design is moving from industry standards to IPC standards, for example, 7351 packaging is changing from lead components to surface mount counterparts. Any such movement creates a colossal range of issues.

Does anyone need it? At that time, the flow of space money had already stopped.

Around 2011, NIIFI installed two automatic soldering lines. The Israeli who set them up suggested soldering a board from real projects upon completion of the work.

And then the women from the design department brought their packs of paper waste paper documentation and looked questioningly - “where should I put them?” It is logical to assume that there was no such place there. In the next 5 years (this is only what I know for sure), these lines were turned on only upon the arrival of inspection commissions.

This story for NIIFI it is standard.

Since the mid-80s, there have been a lot of waves in the organization, the tasks of which were “development”, “implementation”, “application”... The stated goals were different: from the development of large and small computer equipment to extremely ambitious ones, such as the development of their own microcircuits, systems with built-in microprocessors. The money and resources allocated there were quite decent. Now, in retrospect, it is very clearly visible and understandable what results could have been achieved and what was actually achieved.

In most cases, a standard technique was used: relying on a group of random people with minimal self-motivation and interest in the task at hand.

There was also great meaningfulness in this type of activity. Here we can develop the presentation in the direction that a number of heads of research institutes already in Soviet times had connections to the shadow economy. There are other thoughts in this direction. However, the chief power engineer of the Penza Diesel Plant, Yura E. (2006–2008), formulated them most frankly:

– Listen, let’s step aside so that they don’t hear us... As a senior and as a boss, I have to explain something... I see our task as being to ensure that we grab all the money allocated for development... And the development itself?.. And the development itself must be carefully failed... But it must be done in such a way that it looks like it’s not us... That others are to blame for this...

The history of the attempt to create the Hyperbar system in Russia

At NIIFI, something similar looked a little more modest, for example, like a conversation between two laughing people:

- Listen, how are you here? Have you started developing the technology for soldering lithium niobate crystals for surface acoustic wave sensors? Haha.

- Yes Yes! They really got involved. Haha.

It is clear that funding for this work was received, but the result was supposed to be quietly leaked.

The “quiet drain” option can be called more of an option for amateurs.

The option had a much greater sadistic potential when a professional took on the task, who, for example, tried to cram into the project the maximum possible amount of all kinds of “good” ideas and wishes.

At NIIFI we had a laboratory of Mikhail Fedorovich, who created simply monstrous projects. Before achieving any clear result, he always lacked resources. Although they were given to him in the first place, it was still impossible to get the result... And then... The resources and budgets of neighboring laboratories suffered. Mikhail Fedorovich acted in this style from 1968 to 2010.

It should be understood that the space research institute is a very rich collection of technological and design capabilities. The research institute had the opportunity to order intellectual development of projects from professors and graduate students of MVTU, KhAI, LETI...

Definitely, NIIFI had results, especially if we are talking about the 80s.

But when in 2009 I asked the “gray cardinals” why not restore the best developments from the turn of the 90s on capacitive sensors - really the most outstanding direction of NIIFI, I received the answer that there are projects themselves, but they do not have the letter “ O” (and Nikolai Georgievich, a very intelligent person who developed all this, was given a kick in the ass in the 2000s).

The actual reason for the excuse was that even the “gray eminence” in electronics did not have the qualifications to understand and calculate multi-loop dynamic feedbacks of continuous and discrete time. Later I became convinced that the “cardinal” did not understand analysis even using a Bode diagram.

In 2009, while climbing the stairs of the main building, I several times met a couple animatedly talking. One of the talkers was the Deputy General for Science and Design Activities, but who the other was was unclear to me for some time.

It later turned out that the second was the head of Roscosmos.

The very liveliness and duration of their discussion gave rise to bewilderment.

Somewhere around this time, Red Tie resigns from the directors. In his place was put a new, elite, young one, who came with a bunch of even younger entourage.

The young director and deputy for scientific work formed a very interesting couple.

The new director expresses a desire to renew the team, to see significantly more young people, including in management. The deputy takes the visor code and begins to push out pensioners and push out those “no longer promising by age.”

Meetings are held in the assembly hall “only for young people,” where the deputy for science passionately talks about how they are beginning to rely on young people and what tasks will be set for them. Well, for example...

...Until now, NIIFI has made very little progress in the field of nanotechnology. Here we are already behind. I see our task is for you to step over this stage and immediately start working at the femtotechnology level...

For reference: the distance between the centers of carbon atoms in a benzene molecule is 0,139 nanometers; 1 nano-m = 1 femto-m.

Then, in 2011–2003, an imported piezoceramics production line was installed at NIIFI (cost: 1,5 billion rubles). And at meetings with young people, the deputy for science said that This will, among other things, make Penza a Russian center for the development and production of ultrasonic medical equipment (2011).

Young people looked at such ideas with cheerful optimism (whatever, they would soon learn how to re-stick nameplates, and in the field of falsifying tests, for example, for electromagnetic compatibility, they had already advanced quite far).

Around this time, a fashion was introduced that all significant figures in research institutes should wear shiny gray suits and ties to work. For some time they looked askance at the only stubborn one, the head of the stand farm, who still wore worn blue jeans. But when he came to an important meeting with the director himself, still wearing “provocative” red leather sneakers, they explained to him that he did not fit into the existing “etiquette of the court of Louis the Magnificent”, and he needed to look for another place of work.

And here we can go on and on...

But in 2012 I left for a large private company.

When, at the turn of the 2020s, I asked completely different people about the current situation at NIIFI, they uniformly characterized the research institute as a dying enterprise.

Back in 2016–2017, I suggested that the chief technologist of NIIFI come to our company and see how the design cycles are organized and how the conveyors work. Maybe borrow something. We have almost the entire fleet of their equipment, including climate chambers and vibration stands.

But NIIFI is NIIFI. Figures from this sect usually roll their eyes effectively and, after a sustained theatrical pause, say something like:

...You just don’t understand... That’s what we do space technique!..

PS


I. It took me about six years in a private firm to rise to a significant level in the DSP (Digital Signal Processing) field. It is this area that could provide 80–90% of new ideas and projects in the development of NIIFI. In a private company in 2022, from the beginning of the SVO, I was able to develop a replacement for the products of DSP Innovations, a world leader in its field. My option for the conditions “as in tank"works even better. Another interesting thing that turned out to be interesting was that at DSP Innovations these developments were carried out not just by guys from Russia - they were from Penza.

II. The problem with organizations like NIIFI (and others where I worked) is that local high-status people have real educational potential, frankly, “not in the arc.” They exhibit completely different qualities than technical ones: duplicity, intrigue, sick pride with a virtual inability for serious self-education, gathering into clan packs, and a desire for manipulation. This completely distorts the technical logic of production. Over many years, I have seen only one example of a clear, logical organization of work, when in the second half of the 80s, the director of NIIFI V.A. Volkov was given a “face on the table” because his bunglers failed to develop the ALE-033 sensor for testing penetrating warheads . Then we completed the entire redevelopment complex in a couple of weeks.

III. And here we return to the basic question with which the article began: who will do the intellectual content of projects?

1. The institute obviously no longer has access to the LETI professor, whose graduate students made prototypes of electronics for capacitive sensors - a direction with the best parameters in the 80s and early 90s. The freebie is over.

2. The scanty possibilities for prototyping and creating some kind of initiative developments were cut. Developments began to be done immediately, followed by a quiet shock for all involved at the peculiarities of the result obtained.

3. If we take the network diagram, for example, for DHS-24 (2012), then its logic is very simple: the governing public divided the money of the project budget without any special problems. The problem here is that the technical logic of working to achieve the result should have been completely different. Not to mention the fact that the start of some work and the submission of the report upon completion were swapped.

4. The stated goals for the “Diagnostics” and “Sandwich” programs (...those same billions) are in fact the most complex mathematics. Only guys with training close to the level of Mechanics and Mathematics at Moscow State University take on something like this. The entire flow of young people into NIIFI at that time came from the local polytechnic, where they didn’t even really explain how to count in complex numbers.
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  1. +14
    21 February 2024 04: 56
    Using the word “Soviet” here is pure PR. Soviet research institutes were only under Soviet laws. And then only for the time being. Like all the people.

    Why don't people like to work?
    Because in life they simply never had the skill or even the desire to understand what it is to defend justice, but without justice, all labor is only slave labor and therefore disgusting to everyone, no matter what power there is. They will only work in Stalin's sharashka.
    1. +16
      21 February 2024 05: 12
      I wonder how the work process works for the same Elon Musk? Thanks to the author for the article, I hope I don’t get bullied by my former colleagues.
      1. +8
        21 February 2024 05: 30
        Quote: ASAD
        I wonder how the work process works for the same Elon Musk?

        I'm sure you're interested. I worked hard and got a bonus. The more the head works, the greater this bonus. The recipe is simple
        1. +8
          21 February 2024 07: 26
          I'm sure you're interested. Worked hard, got a bonus

          Of course, the material component is present at the individual level, but moreover, it DEPENDS ON THE RESULT OF THE ORGANIZATION OR PROJECT. No one devalues ​​individual results, but the OUTPUT DEPENDS ON THE GROUP, THE COLLECTIVE.

          And the most important thing is that working for SPACE X or NEUROLINK is damn, extremely prestigious and interesting...

          Just the description of the catastrophic crash of rockets to Earth as “unscheduled total disassembly” speaks volumes about the style and humor of the SPACE X management!

          It’s amazing, excitingly interesting there... on the cutting edge of science, engineering, organization and philosophy of testing...

          The product is tested as close as possible to the intermediate or final result, with MANY VARIABLES changed in each test. This means AMAZING RECORDING, RECORDING VARIABLES BASED ON SIMULATION OF THE EXPECTED TEST RESULT!
        2. +8
          21 February 2024 07: 55
          So the author writes that they work with their heads! Only in the other direction! And they get paid well! There is no bet on the result. There is a rate for obtaining financing. Where is the fork, or the bunk, or the Canary? Well, you can’t do that with smart heads, go straight to the bunk! Well, you can work with your head on a plank! Sharashki to the rescue! It is forbidden? Look at Comrade Xi! I rewinded seven years of my sentence! The result of China is obvious! And how much did comrades Lenin and Stalin rewind!? The result is visible! On the topic of space, this is Korolev. He was also sitting! Tupolev sat under both the Tsar and the Soviets! Maybe we should use the experience of the past and before appointing a candidate to high positions, we should familiarize him with the bunks!? Does China generously finance all crooks? Or does he pay for the results of his work? That's how they steal! So people get sick despite medicine! Shall we not treat? Although the optimization of medicine in this direction is in full swing! Soon everyone's teeth will be healthy, there will be no infections, no age-related diseases!?
          1. +5
            21 February 2024 07: 57
            Quote: North Caucasus
            ! There is no bet on the result

            That's the whole squiggle wink
      2. +17
        21 February 2024 05: 54
        Quote: ASAD
        I wonder how the work process works for the same Elon Musk? Thanks to the author for the article, I hope I don’t get bullied by my former colleagues.

        I don’t know about Elon, but having worked in very different, including leading, US and Canadian companies in the late 90s and early 2000s, I can tell you a little...
        The first shock was when, despite all the difference, when I arrived for the first time, I saw their native Soviet Research Institute - both in good and bad senses... Somehow in those days I thought that I wouldn’t see anything bad or stupid there. I expected everything to be extremely effective.
        What the author writes has nothing to do with the USSR, except the late 80s and early 90s (the same people).
        But the fact that many familiar and unfamiliar Soviet specialists sat well at all levels in all leading Western companies - yes. True, their age - now they are at least 65 and they are all (and often for a long time) retired (in the sense that they do not need to earn a living) and you won’t see many of our kind anymore - the education is different - that’s also a fact.
        And, believe me, the mess there was quite comparable to the Soviet Research Institute (well, not the least peripheral research institute, of course)...
        1. +13
          21 February 2024 09: 04
          I saw their native Soviet Research Institute

          My personal experience of working with several large Western corporations has once and for all discouraged any desire to deal with them. Although they called me outside the cordon a couple of times. The bureaucracy is epic, all the delights of our research institutes, and the cherry on top is the obligation to snitch on everyone around you and eat them up if you want to make the slightest bit of a career... Moreover, you’ve come across different companies in your life - German, mattress, Finnish...

          And they rub in glasses and do all kinds of counterfeiting. Avon - look how their last passenger Boeing, for example, was created! Or how they build nuclear power plants... Even on a bald head the hair stands on end...

          And how they steal there, as soon as they understand that they can!! Uuuuuu... No match for us..

          So I don’t have any illusions about the Western type of efficiency and any practices different from ours..
          1. -1
            27 February 2024 23: 23
            paul3390. (Paul). February 21, 2024. New. YOURE - "...I saw their native Soviet Research Institute. So I have no illusions about the Western type of efficiency and some kind of order different from ours..."

            Don't offend your "dear" partners". I'm sorry, what. and EFFECTIVELY and EFFICIENTLY buy for “five kopecks” bully from poor and often unemployed scientists. designers, Soviet developments and technologies during the “heyday” of democracy in the Russian Federation (at least since 1991 and ...) with yawning peaks in science. industry and economy... How many scientists and promising students “find themselves” behind the cordon!? And not easy. but with knowledge. developments and developments...These are just millions of grown ones. trained and gained good experience BRAINS....USSR then RF. a country that gave away GOLD not even for glass beads... belay fool bully
      3. +6
        21 February 2024 11: 14
        Quote: ASAD
        I wonder how the work process works for the same Elon Musk? Thanks to the author for the article, I hope I don’t get bullied by my former colleagues.

        I have studied this issue a lot and I can tell you if you specify your request.
        If you just catch the basics of its control technology.
        Everyone has a specific task.
        Everyone has the right to do almost anything to accomplish this task.
        Everyone can contact everyone to complete their task.
        Everyone bears full responsibility for completing their task.
        If you are 50% sure, then go for it.
        Etc
      4. +2
        21 February 2024 22: 22
        Here, ask how Musk works, there are many such articles: https://prosto.rabota.ru/post/rabota-v-tesla/
      5. +1
        22 February 2024 17: 55
        For them, it’s not enough for a dishwasher to just wash dishes with a mournful face; they need to attract customers so that customers want to visit the cafe. You can't live in a box. Market.
        Musk sets a goal, then they recruit a team of interested workers to meet this goal, then develop technologies and achieve the final result.
        Roscosmos essentially has no goal; they rush between different projects without completing them. Unless you consider the goal of Roscosmos to provide jobs and salaries to the bureaucratic apparatus.
    2. AAK
      +6
      21 February 2024 07: 01
      Such an article should not be posted on VO, but sent to the FSB and the Investigative Committee several years ago
      1. +8
        21 February 2024 08: 50
        What's the point? The author described not a special case, but an existing and existing practice in industrial science. We went through all this. Our PKTI became the lead developer, but the problem was that it was not located in two capital cities or even in the regional center. The institute was dispersed, and the developments were obliged to be handed over to “sub-chiefs” from the capitals and regional centers. Look what is happening now, at least in the same engine industry. As they say, everything about the same. Gentlemen, human “being” does not change regardless of the social system and form of ownership. Now the government has decided to rely on student KBs. What does this mean? This says only one thing, gentlemen, we have “sailed”. The stagnation of the period of rule of the late CPSU and the “great criminal revolution, that is, involution” did their job. The economy and science in Russia have deteriorated greatly. For the country to survive, it is necessary to carry out a general cleansing of the “Augean stables.” But who will do this? The interests of those in power and the common people are diametrically opposed. So the main “fun” is still ahead.
        1. -1
          21 February 2024 09: 22
          But who will do this?
          Serdyukov!!! Or his double, clone, whatever you want to call him.
          About Korolev. Why was he imprisoned? For the lack of a final result, for the fact that people's money was spent and there was no final result.
          1. 0
            22 February 2024 06: 52
            About Korolev. Why was he imprisoned? For the lack of a final result, for the fact that people's money was spent and there was no final result.

            Korolev was imprisoned for the fact that in the 30s Tukhachevsky oversaw the missile issue. And when Tukhachevsky became an “enemy of the people,” those who were “on his team” also came under attack.
            For reference: Tukhachevsky introduced many dead-end directions in the development of technology, but rocket science, as it became obvious a few years after his execution, just changed the entire technical basis of military affairs.
            1. +1
              22 February 2024 10: 30
              Well, from what I saw somewhere. Korolev needed to make a missile with image homing, that is, before launching, the operator indicates the target, and then “it itself.”
              But when Korolev began to work on this topic, he saw that the homing head would not be made (and it was not he who made the head, but subcontractors, it seems, from Leningrad), the technical level was not the same then. Yes, this was another deceitful idea of ​​Tukhachy, “weapons based on new physical principles.” Then Korolev invested all the allocated funds into a jet engine, and really “licked” it. At the end of the work, he was asked about the results, and he could only produce the engine. Then “misuse of funds”, and what a deadline.
      2. +4
        21 February 2024 11: 24
        Yeah, otherwise “men don’t even know,” but by God, you’re like a child. laughing hi
    3. +13
      21 February 2024 07: 02
      Wonderful, professional article by an Engineer! Thank you, I forgot when I read something like this on Military Review. Future successes and interesting and useful projects -
    4. +22
      21 February 2024 12: 22
      I suggest looking at things from a different angle. I started working at NIIHIT (Saratov) in 1978. At that time, NIIHIT was developing a lot of interesting primary and secondary HIT: thermal batteries with lithium anodes (with vanadium bronzes, sulfides and other cathodes), primary batteries with lithium and thionyl chloride, with sulfuryl chloride, sulfur-sodium batteries with solid electrolyte, lithium-iodine primary products for pacemakers, with chemotronics (integrators, resistors), with ampoule batteries... The research institute employed approximately 2000 people. But by 1980, problems had already emerged: there was money, but it was extremely difficult to buy anything with it. By the nineties, it had reached the point where the most necessary things - even chemical dishes - were gone, and handicrafts from improvised means were piled up. Sometimes milk bottles were used instead of flasks. There was no need to dream about new devices. One after another, the programs were folded, and not through the fault of the management: an industry research institute cannot exist without a request from industry or related research institutes. All processes in industrial science during perestroika and the collapse of the USSR occurred in line with general processes. Poor research institutes became prey to raiders. At VNIAI in St. Petersburg, two directors were killed one after another; leading specialists who could, fled abroad from poverty and hopelessness. Salaries were not paid; young engineers wandered from corner to corner during the day at their main jobs, and in the evening and at night they worked as salesmen in commercial stalls. The same thing happened in academic science. By the beginning of the century, science in Russia had completely died out - and it was not the directors and doctors who were to blame for this, but the general greedy and criminal policy of the state. Managers like Rogozin, Kindersurprise, Kovalchuk and Chubais replaced managers who grew up as engineers and knew the business.
      Now there is a hysterical campaign supposedly in support of science and its “successes,” but in reality science in Russia has died and its corpse has rotted in 30 years. For the most part, research institutes do not develop new equipment, but exist at the expense of small-scale experimental factories at the research institute, producing all sorts of junk. Can anyone boast of a computer or mobile phone made from domestic components, or a mobile phone using native components, or a lithium-ion battery made from Russian materials? Maybe someone has a new Russian TV?
      Let me remind you of a well-known fact: in Germany before World War II there was the most powerful school of physicists. I won’t list names, there are dozens of them. After the war, despite generous funding, no great physicists appeared in Germany. Scientific schools are created over decades, or even centuries, and destroyed overnight. Our education system has also been destroyed - and there is success only in church construction. Soon even the Saudis will reproach us for clericalism...
      1. +11
        21 February 2024 13: 27
        Elegantly described, I completely agree with every word of the man from the old school! They succeeded only in church construction and this is now being presented as the greatest achievement. This descent back into the dark Middle Ages is sad and sad.
      2. 0
        21 February 2024 23: 40
        By the beginning of the century, science in Russia had completely died

        Remind me, in what years did the explanation of complex technical disciplines in the language of higher mathematics in Soviet technical schools stop? This is a question with a big hint. Because when the managers..., she was already drained of blood. They got not a corpse, but a mummy.
  2. +12
    21 February 2024 04: 59
    An article about the prosperity of bureaucracy and how to show appearances instead of the result itself. As far as I know, at VTB Bank (the second most important bank) the picture is approximately the same.

    . I see our task as being to grab all the money allocated for development... And the development itself?.. And the development itself must be carefully failed...

    Reasoning of a qualified consumer. That's what they wanted.
    1. +9
      21 February 2024 07: 08
      Yura Eremin is a friend of the Head of Government of the Penza region.
      One day he called me in the spring of 2019 and said:
      "Here's an opportunity to get some money..."
      In short, let's continue working.. I sent him..
      1. +4
        21 February 2024 09: 23
        Dear author. What you described does not apply to either post-Soviet or Soviet science. This is current Russian “science”. And there is no need to say that its legs grow from there, from Soviet times. We swam, we know...
        1. +5
          21 February 2024 09: 45
          I had a friend - Adolf Vasilyevich Kasyanov. He was considered one of the best specialists in the USSR in the field of diesel engine operating processes. Testing the combustion chamber profile - Maly Gesselman - on Kolomna diesel engines - this is his work. He managed to establish himself as a specialist by the mid-60s. I saw a lot of very talented people who came to technology a little later. They could show very decent results, but I didn’t really see implementation of such a level and such a breadth of application.
          It is worth recalling that at the CPSU congresses in the 70s, five-year plans were adopted with pomp, later they were adjusted downwards, then again, but then they still failed.
          In my opinion, the country's development progressed dynamically only until the mid-60s. Then there was imitation.
          1. +4
            21 February 2024 09: 58
            You can come to terms with this. Only partially. Not always and not in all areas of Soviet science (and we are talking about it) there was imitation. And I worked in production, starting in 1981, precisely the one created after the mid-60s. None I didn’t see any stagnation or imitation there. There was a lot of extra (social) work - secretary of the Komsomol organization of the workshop. But it was everywhere.
            1. +7
              21 February 2024 10: 05
              The aviation workers made a very strong impression on me when I visited Engels near Saratov in the late 80s. A small group but a very high level of qualifications and everything is to the point. Then, meetings with aviation specialists always meant that they would be highly competent people.
          2. +3
            21 February 2024 10: 11
            Quote: JustMe
            In my opinion, the country’s development progressed dynamically only until the mid-60s
            My interest in science awoke after I accidentally witnessed a real scientific discussion between two researchers in a small psychophysiology laboratory at the Research Institute of Neurocybernetics in the early 80s. Although, I would not generalize my personal experience and project it onto all research institutes.
        2. +1
          22 February 2024 00: 05
          What you described does not apply to either post-Soviet or Soviet science
          Once, one equally ambitious person developed in your unforgettable Soviet years a system for asynchronous charging of a lead battery, working at the department of power plants of a departmental university. Designed, implemented and started promoting. The technology of asynchronous charging in that department, which essentially represents a state within a state, saved a lot of time, money and human labor. Only savings in one thing, as practice shows, means a reduction in funding in another. More precisely, others. The persecution of this man began so that he would go away with his ideas and not stick his head out. They got it so well, they baked it well for all and sundry. We have never had any problems with bullying of unwanted people. True, this inventor had a front-line friend with whom he went through a lot in WWII. I called and told him the situation, asked him to help or assist, because there was no way to live. And when Rokosovsky called the rector of that university and explained in detail that all this cattle could end up at the same logging sites where he had been, then they abruptly got off the inventor.
          There were also stories when a person from the Northern Sea Route came to get the inventions of this Soviet departmental university. He offered money. Because those inventions made it possible to save almost millions during the summer navigation season. But Soviet developers are not for sale, and so the man was kindly asked.
      2. -2
        21 February 2024 11: 26
        And they did it right. hi "" "" "
  3. -1
    21 February 2024 05: 16
    The bulk of the effort is usually spent on clarifying the question “who is in charge here and who will have whom?”

    Therefore, the main motivation for the advice was: “to achieve a promotion to a level where you don’t have to work among these fools.”

    And with anti-advice: “make so much money that you can go over the hill or live on bank interest. And again, free yourself from these fools.”
    No one has ever had respect for the work and simple love for the profession.
    1. +1
      21 February 2024 09: 05
      Quote: ivan2022
      No one has ever had respect for the work and simple love for the profession.
      You cannot know about “never from anyone”, “with advice” and “with anti-advice”; one thing is certain: you definitely did not have this, unless, of course, you are throwing a blizzard intentionally and with respect for your job as a propagandist.
      1. +1
        22 February 2024 12: 28
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        You cannot know about “never from anyone”, “with advice” and “with anti-advice”; one thing is certain: you definitely did not have this, unless, of course, you are throwing a blizzard intentionally and with respect for your job as a propagandist.

        No personal attacks please. I'm talking about the result. They screwed up their country, and now they are beating each other up... And each individually is a saint......
        Like “the bosses are to blame, and we do what we ordered”... Psychology of serfs of the 18th century. If they order, they will build an Empire, if they order, they will destroy “their own”.... There is something inhuman about this.
        1. 0
          22 February 2024 12: 48
          Quote: ivan2022
          I'm talking about the result. They screwed up their country, and now they are beating each other up.
          No need to wiggle:
          Quote: ivan2022
          No one has ever had respect for the work and simple love for the profession.
          This is definitely not the result. And the reason for this result, not even taken from the bullshit: this is an attempt to blame the mistakes, stupidity and crimes of the secretaries - the leaders of the Communist Party - on the “worthless people”.
    2. +9
      21 February 2024 16: 03
      Quote: ivan2022
      No one has ever had respect for the work and simple love for the profession.
      It's true. And there were never Nobel laureates Landau, Semenov, Kapitsa, Alferov, Prokhorov, Basov in the USSR and Russia, Sakharov, Korolev, Glushko, Ivanenko, Zeldovich, Ginzburg did not work, there were no chemists Lebedev, Nesmeyanov and Sladkov... That’s just it is not clear who and how created atomic weapons and delivery vehicles, armored vehicles, submarine fleet, aviation, chemical industry, metallurgy, explored minerals and established their processing...
      Do you judge everyone by yourself?
  4. +13
    21 February 2024 05: 47
    And what is the recipe for this disease? And the disease has started, judging by the article. And such a disease is not only in this institute, but in many that still exist.
    1. +3
      21 February 2024 07: 47
      Quote: parusnik
      And what is the recipe for this disease?

      Drive everyone to hell and reassemble them on “new physical principles.”
      1. +2
        22 February 2024 00: 13
        Will not work. The people there are distinguished by exceptional vitality, adaptability and a total reluctance to work and develop. If you disperse them, they will simply spread their infection to other places. And their ability to penetrate, consolidate, continue to do the same and involve others is incredible. Therefore, you should not touch them under any circumstances. Slowly reduce funding, gradually remove them from projects and not let them go anywhere from their current place. Over time, they will devour each other, but at the same time they will not charge others, much less destroy bright heads.
      2. Qas
        -1
        24 February 2024 13: 17
        And who will do this? Our irreplaceable, who will soon go to the next 6-year school with his team?
        1. +1
          24 February 2024 14: 33
          That's another question. And what does “irremovable” have to do with it, does he directly rule science?
    2. +3
      21 February 2024 08: 03
      Quote: parusnik
      And what is the recipe for this disease?

      The article is interesting, so to speak, the author is boiling up to the “red tie”, and perhaps to the red flag of socialism.
      As for the recipe, the author said how everything became good, wonderful, in a private company.
      We must understand that we need total privatization of Russia. But, is everything so clear?
      1. +1
        21 February 2024 20: 32
        A private company has adequate management and adequate employees. No laws of nature prohibit these comrades from being placed in state research institutes; no laws of nature will spoil them.
        In general, it helps a lot when they ask for the result, and not for the report. A good result - bonuses for everyone, a bad result - the director starts having problems. In our country, a screwed-up job usually means money to management and no responsibility, and completed work means money to management and a lot of work for subordinates. I know how the news published articles about how the head of one honey hired all his friends, how he made purchases through his company, how dead souls worked for him, an audit is being carried out. And what? But nothing, the rector is in place, and no one sued the journalists for libel.
        1. 0
          5 March 2024 18: 13
          Quote from alexoff
          In general, it helps a lot when they ask for the result, and not for the report.

          The Stalinist personnel system was different in this way, and responsibility was proportional to the position. If the cleaning lady behaved, she was in no danger, but if the director did this, he would face prison. At the same time, there was no equalization. The salary could easily differ by 50 times if the person produced results. At the same time, the designer could receive more than the director. In the late USSR and beyond the Russian Federation, a caste system was formed, where the director and chief accountant received exactly 50% of the entire salary fund of an enterprise or institute, regardless of the result. The era of unaccountability has arrived.
          1. 0
            5 March 2024 19: 17
            Quote: goose
            At the same time, the designer could receive more than the director.

            I heard that Khrushchev found out in 1955 that academicians received more than he did, and cut scientists’ salaries significantly. In general, demand also decreased, but the smartest people began to go to science less often.
    3. +2
      21 February 2024 08: 06
      Quote: parusnik
      And what is the recipe for this disease? And the disease has started, judging by the article. And such a disease is not only in this institute, but in many that still exist.

      But there is no recipe...
      In Dubna, in the courtyard of one of the JINR laboratories, in 1992 there was still an installation from the 1970s - one of the then leaders developed it, defended it and implemented it. After which the installation was stupidly unable to be dragged into the building due to its dimensions belay .
      And he protected something else on this type of “active” installation...
    4. +12
      21 February 2024 08: 22
      Well, in production there is another infection. Lean production! Save on everything! Dear moles, we have calculated all expenses with mathematical accuracy! Salary is not higher than 1-2 minimum wages. Extra devices for work are unnecessary. We don't need templates. These are unnecessary expenses. There is no need for controllers for every operation. These are unnecessary expenses. Improvement proposals are harmful and are not encouraged. As a result, we have a job where they cannot drill two holes at the same distance. We won’t say anything about the larger number of holes. Those who do not match will be drilled! We’ll finalize something with a file and a grinder. Let's forget about ergonomics. About geometry too. And instead of quick work, we have to work to correct the defects of the previous operation at each stage. We can’t even make a socket for a car lamp with high quality. A strip of metal with two notches cannot be rolled into a cylinder without distortions. What space!? Look at Granta and the Iranian passenger car. Iran has been under sanctions for 40 years, we have been introduced into the world economy for 30 years! The filling and price of an Iranian car and the filling and price of our Grants! But we are the first economy in Europe! Is technology really worse than ours in Europe!? There's a queue for our Lada Grants in the EU!?
      1. +1
        5 March 2024 18: 17
        Iran does not count loans, taxes, insurance and information services in its GDP. If we subtract all this, we will not be the 1st economy in Europe.
    5. +1
      26 February 2024 15: 40
      In my opinion, the only recipe is the introduction of project management in applied science at the legislative level. And the application of capitalization of intellectual property in the country's economy.
  5. Msi
    +7
    21 February 2024 06: 11
    And at meetings with young people, the deputy for science said that this would, among other things, turn Penza into a Russian center for the development and production of ultrasonic medical equipment (2011).

    Something reminded me... "...Intergalactic chess tournament..." New - Vasyuki. Well, in the article about New Penza. lol
    This is where the “successful” launches come from (incorrectly installed angular velocity sensors) and equally “successful” lunar landings...
  6. +10
    21 February 2024 06: 15
    Amazing. There are similar problems everywhere. "Game of science", reports and intrigues instead of real BUSINESS. Many thanks to the author for the qualified article. Someday there will be their own Ilfs and Petrovs, or Bulgakovs, who will become classics, describing this whole universal mess in “institutions.”
    1. +2
      21 February 2024 09: 25
      Someday there will be their own Ilfs and Petrovs, or Bulgakovs, who will become classics, describing this whole universal mess in “institutions.”

      Everything has already been written before us. ABC, "Monday Begins on Saturday"
    2. +7
      21 February 2024 10: 07
      Now the struggle has also begun for the installation of domestic software, which still needs to be found somewhere, and even so that it works, without glitches... They are suffering with Unix-Linux distributions... At the same time, they also ran into CAD. AutoCad, like, already fse, switched to Compass... Then it turns out that Compass is also partially foreign and also, like, fse. And about different application programs...-- request That's a bad thing, that's a bad thing....
      1. +1
        21 February 2024 12: 16
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        They suffer with Unix-Linux distributions
        It was originally created and exists as an engineering OS, in contrast to commercial Windows. Why bother with it: you need to work, not play games through the emulator.
        1. 0
          21 February 2024 18: 13
          Stanislav_Shishkin
          What does this have to do with the toy? To “do” something on Linux, you need to understand it.
          And here, too, there are plenty of software packages and imitators, when they take a ready-made Linux distro, screw on bells and whistles and pass it off as a “unique domestic OS”
          1. +3
            21 February 2024 18: 58
            Quote: futurohunter
            And here, too, there are enough sawing tools and imitators
            Such people can only make cuts and imitations on Windows, but it’s not a matter of the OS.
  7. +2
    21 February 2024 07: 43
    If this whole mess is dispersed, then the problem with windshield wipers in Penza will disappear for many years. And if you do the same throughout Russia, the problem of attracting migrants to the national economy will disappear.
    1. +4
      21 February 2024 16: 14
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      If we disperse all this bullshit

      ...then what will remain are mostly janitors, priests, security guards, bloggers, entertainers and propagandists of all stripes.
      “When asked what he thought about what he read, Sharikov said:
      “Yes, I do not agree.
      - With whom? Engels or Kautsky?
      “With both,” answered Sharikov.
      - This is wonderful, I swear to God. To everyone who says that the other ... And what could you offer?
      - What is there to offer?.. And then they write, write... Congress, some Germans... My head is swelling. Take everything and share it..."
      1. +2
        21 February 2024 17: 16
        Quote: astepanov
        ..then they will remain mostly...

        ...responsible employees who are ready to work for results.
  8. +5
    21 February 2024 08: 25
    How do you get such fantastic results? We just think wrong!
  9. +10
    21 February 2024 08: 32
    I worked in the design bureau at the plant in the 80s. There were different engineers there, some were enthusiastic and talented, some were not engineers at all, they were just registered. The director was a Doctor of Science, deservedly so in my opinion, he was a man passionate about computers, he often visited the workshops (I first worked in the workshop, then moved to the design bureau).

    Of course, the main direction of the design bureau's work was copying imported analogues. However, this work also required professionalism and the policy in this direction was dictated from above; the plant and design bureau were not to blame. The programs were also “Russified”, but they also began to write their own application ones, they also knew how to write system ones, although there was no Internet and no documentation either. There was also an outright falsehood when imported works were translated and published under their own names.

    One engineer, a friend of mine, for example, on his vacation took home an imported printed circuit board (by the way, eight-layer, 160 microcircuits, including a dozen LSIs) and, using a pencil and paper tester, drew its circuit diagram. He was an enthusiast and a professional. He wouldn't be lost anywhere with his knowledge. There were other specialists whom I knew and who, swearing at the management, did their job.

    At the end of the 80s, the director was replaced and the whole thing fell apart.

    That is, the efficiency of an enterprise is a matter of chance; if the right person is in charge, there will be good results; if it doesn’t, there will be nanotechnology that cannot be seen.

    IMHO, the difference between design bureaus and enterprises in general in the USSR (and in modern Russia too) is that there is no mechanism for removing ineffective enterprises and distorted motivation, aimed not at results, but at reporting to superiors, who are often incompetent or also incorrectly motivated.

    IMHO, the only working mechanism in modern conditions is a competitive market and a competitive political system, which makes it possible to organize the interdependence of government and society.
    1. +3
      21 February 2024 10: 22
      Quote: S.Z.
      IMHO, the only working mechanism in modern conditions is a competitive market and a competitive political system, which makes it possible to organize the interdependence of government and society.

      Little things left - find country where it works......
      1. +4
        21 February 2024 12: 53
        "The only little thing left is to find a country where it works......."

        Taking into account our backwardness in advanced technologies, we can safely say where exactly this works.
  10. +4
    21 February 2024 09: 58
    Western corporations are also far from being role models. Procedures for the sake of procedures, regulations for the sake of regulations. It is impossible without this “procedural moment,” but balance is important everywhere. In this regard, we and they have taken a lot from each other. Therefore, they have done something a little more cunningly, when the giants sit “in procedures”, and young innovative firms that serve them scurry around them. But here’s the problem: they have money for their maintenance and training, but somehow we don’t have much. Well, it’s clear that smart people, enthusiasts and talents are being bought up, not without this.
  11. +3
    21 February 2024 10: 23
    “Red tie” is Urlichich, right? winked
    1. +6
      21 February 2024 11: 27
      Mokrov.
      He was Volkov’s deputy for science for a long time. It was different in that when the question arose that the local mongrels needed to be besieged or there was a real worthy result - what next? He always stuck his tongue into his butt.
  12. +4
    21 February 2024 11: 20
    Ha-ha-ha, here's a joke for you. Someone there complained about stupid lawyers and managers and that there are a lot of them, that of course under certain conditions there is no buzz, but you won’t deny that it is better to communicate with a guard who knows jurisprudence than not, but here is a vivid example for you all of “smart "technical" specialists. Many thanks to the author and plus for the article. Although I don’t belong to this field, I always suspected that this research institute is a complete “f.” laughing
  13. +5
    21 February 2024 11: 39
    I haven’t worked in scientific organizations, so I can’t say anything. Judging by rare samples of domestic equipment, this is the case, as described in the article. Often in a place, during editing you have to “finish it with a file”, I can’t understand one thing, if it’s so bad there, and because of this it’s bad for the author, why work there? Although what am I talking about, loot, as was said in the article, budgets in the billions..., sorry, it’s just painful, as they say. We ordered a reactor for a propane dehydration plant, it arrived, the output diameter is larger than the docked pipe! And in the passport the diameter is what you need! lol
    The price of the product is more than forty million in 2019 prices, I don’t even know how much now.
  14. +1
    21 February 2024 11: 43
    The most productive form of joint scientific and engineering activity was called "sharashka".
    There are practically no left-wing temptations, the urgent ones are fully satisfied, everything is subordinated to the solution of a specific task, even the security is imbued with and acquires some competencies, sometimes decent ones.
    True, there is no place for White Fang and the other mentioned Runaways in these laboratory-clean conditions, not only for management, but also for the rank and file, they would have to be transferred to the appropriate level of activity - some to cut wood and heat the stove, some to cook borscht, only the very first from the boiler "taste"
    1. 0
      21 February 2024 15: 27
      Quote: faterdom
      The most productive form of joint scientific and engineering activity was called "sharashka".
      There are practically no left-wing temptations, the urgent ones are fully satisfied, everything is subordinated to the solution of a specific task, even the security is imbued with and acquires some competencies, sometimes decent ones.

      The problem is that for some reason no one wants to go there.....
  15. +6
    21 February 2024 11: 49
    Lord, how many texts like this have I read from offended authors.

    Moreover, the author gets so carried away that he stops noticing obvious inconsistencies in neighboring paragraphs. For example, only a person suffering from a severe form of ambivalence could write:

    Then we completed the entire redevelopment complex in a couple of weeks.

    despite the fact that the rest of the text is devoted to the fact that it is impossible in principle to do anything useful in a couple of weeks in this organization, due to the banal lack of necessary qualifications and skills.
    1. 0
      22 February 2024 09: 30
      ...Clans of relatives are sitting and making money. Life is in chocolate... The head of the department, for example, has enough money for luxury apartments for each family member, and for good cars for each family member, and for a vacation in Turkey, then in the Maldives...
      And then some “black sheep” comes and even demonstrates something from the results..
      What can I say ...

      Lord, how many texts like this have I read from offended authors....
      1. 0
        22 February 2024 16: 05
        It's immediately obvious that you're on topic.
  16. +4
    21 February 2024 12: 10
    It is clear that the work of post-Soviet research institutes is subject to the heavy legacy of the Soviet regime... and what is noteworthy is that for 30 years now it has been imposed and imposed...
    1. +3
      21 February 2024 12: 18
      Yeah, “heritage” adds up and adds up, but for them it adds up and adds up. hi
      1. +5
        21 February 2024 12: 20
        and they put it and put it.
        And who is to blame, of course? USSR smile hi
        1. +6
          21 February 2024 12: 21
          And then - all he is, a “bloody scoop” with his “galoshes”. laughing
          1. +5
            21 February 2024 12: 23
            And then - all he is, the “bloody scoop” with his “galoshes”
            30 years have passed, and the “galoshes” are stuttering... It’s hard to remove the “birthmarks” of socialism laughing
        2. 0
          21 February 2024 20: 48
          Well, why did it fall apart? It didn't fall apart, it would have been normal.
    2. +4
      21 February 2024 12: 26
      It is clear that the work of post-Soviet research institutes is subject to the heavy legacy of the Soviet regime... and what is noteworthy is that for 30 years now it has been imposed and imposed...

      This article was not supposed to focus on how the transfer of financial flows is done, who the new young director is, the topic of the “favorites” of the “gray cardinal,” corruption patterns at all levels, how the drain of the money was organized at a high level, etc.
      1. -2
        21 February 2024 12: 53
        Quote: JustMe
        This article was not intended to focus on how the transfer of financial flows is done
        Here, as in the joke about the student who prepared only one ticket for the biology exam about a flea: any hint of the imperfection of any government institutions in the USSR is fraught with receiving a response with a full list of accusations of anti-Sovietism and serving world imperialism.
        1. +4
          21 February 2024 13: 03
          Any typical article has some entertaining and educational aspects.
          It should not be particularly large and generally correspond to its purpose - the name.
          The volumes of information that the investigator collected for the prosecutor's office are unlikely to be very readable for the general public.
          But if you want to try, you can link to my significantly earlier article in this style
          Our space industry. A look at industry problems from the perspective of an ordinary developer
          https://habr.com/ru/articles/442846/
          1. 0
            21 February 2024 13: 30
            Quote: JustMe
            But if you want to try
            Better give a link to opponents accusing you of bias. I just mentioned in the commentary my positive impressions of what I saw at a particular Soviet research institute and doubted the legitimacy of their extrapolation to others. Although, in the institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the early 90s, I saw women of pre-retirement age knitting sweaters and hats and felt the depth of degradation of the scientific sector. But, I’m afraid, opponents who guard the greatness of the USSR are not interested in getting closer to the truth and are ready to consider regression only after its collapse.
            1. +3
              21 February 2024 15: 19
              The link won't help here
              In fact, with this article I encroached on the sacred.
              Some opponents believe that his function is to put an important signature on an important document. Some people just want to share the money in a stress-free way. Someone demands that he be recognized as a genius on a global scale and not notice that all his genius is based on the fact that he robbed someone, on those who open his mouth - he will bark
              We've been through all this, we know...
              Although it is quite possible to admit that for some such realities are a novelty and they circulate among decent professionals.
  17. +2
    21 February 2024 12: 18
    For the effective functioning of such scientific and technological structures, an appropriate environment of accounting, control and competitive motivation is necessary. This environment can only be created by a social state that is capable, through its Customer structures, of competently setting the task, objectively and qualifiedly assessing the capabilities of applicants for its implementation, and also conducting CONSTANT CONTROL of the progress of R&D. And ruthlessly get rid of parasites and liars! And, of course, holding constant competitions among several development organizations. And, by the way, only a social state will build a serious infrastructure for providing and servicing ANY production. After all, if graduates of a local university DO NOT OR CANNOT COUNT even in complex numbers, this means that we do not have such an infrastructure today. This means there is no social state(. And this is just a disaster...
    1. 0
      21 February 2024 21: 32
      Not necessarily social. At least a kingdom with nobles, at least with pharaohs, which will be interested in having some kind of technical innovations. In theory, any state should be interested in this. Well, except for a state without an owner, where there are only petty bosses, tearing apart the treasury for their small principalities.
      1. -2
        21 February 2024 23: 08
        In kingdoms with nobles and, especially, in the Egyptian priesthood, there was no such multi-level infrastructure, complex social connections, and an ever-increasingly complex division of labor, as after the industrial revolutions in the twentieth century, which led to total interdependence and interaction of all specialists in the process of developing technical assignments, carrying out R&D, manufacturing tooling and equipment, producing prototypes, prototypes, and establishing mass production. There was no such level of mass education of the population, such cooperation of organizations and enterprises that had developed by the 80s, and there was no urgent need for a responsible social culture, without which even one very bad person in a certain position could destroy the work of many, many teams (. Therefore, the role of the SOCIAL state and the quality of management has increased many times over. Therefore, the MAIN PROBLEM of the USSR, in my opinion, was the critical discrepancy in the quality of management relative to the increasingly complex scientific and production structures. That is, the object of management, systemically and structurally, turned out to be more complex than the subject, than the management system itself. And the “subjects” of management, in the 80s, were already preparing for the privatization and corporatization of state property and they no longer needed the “feedback” system. Which means there was no need for a social state , which was also privatized.
        1. +1
          21 February 2024 23: 35
          The structures are not that complicated these days. Do you think the pyramids were easy to build and design? The power structure has not changed. I think if some smart young pharaoh is sent here in a time machine and placed on the throne in the Kremlin after a couple of years of explaining what is here and how, he will quickly solve a bunch of problems without any social states. Are the missiles not reaching? So, I pay from my treasury for them to fly, but let all sorts of bosses tell me on the carpet! Oh, and then your subordinates say that you built a palace for yourself instead of paying them salaries. This is my money, and I gave it for other purposes! Stole from Pharaoh! Head off the shoulders!
          The point is not that if a person is given the title of count, he will immediately become stupid, but if he is the director of a research institute, he will immediately become smart and responsible. If the entire vertical of power does not care about the result, then it is not necessary to remake the state, but to drive away the parasites with a filthy broom. The Supreme Commander probably allocates money for missiles from the treasury not so that a few ghouls in Penza will steal it and then disgrace him. But in our military district they worry about space, aviation and much, much more, but not in the Kremlin, they don’t worry about anything there.
          1. +1
            22 February 2024 00: 18
            How is that? Put them on a keg of gunpowder and let them fly? And who to work with? Again, like Peter I, “discharge” specialists from Holland? I don't agree with you. People can be controlled using two of the most effective levers: Through fear or through interests. If only through fear, then this is the end of everything. Because, of course, you can take power with bayonets and violence, but it is impossible to hold on and, especially, to develop effectively when the surrounding countries are moving far ahead. Russia has already gone through this many times (. People can be managed effectively only through the implementation of their social production, scientific, corporate or class economic and political interests. And based on these political economic interests, manage them. This is the main role and purpose of the Social State, raising not slaves or serfs, but educated and qualified citizen-persons capable of public self-government, self-control and self-development. And if you just cut off heads, then this is NOT FOR ME (.
            1. 0
              22 February 2024 02: 34
              Where did I write that only heads should be chopped off? Without any social states and red flags, without lofty words about the Great Destiny, even in imperial Japan, what society needs should be rewarded, and harm punished. If the bosses are pocketing money instead of paying those who are busy with real work, then you know, some people need to have their heads cut off with a barrel of gunpowder, and start paying others this money. I think the pharaoh-president-great socialist, if they wanted to give the Penza bosses just a bag of money for the fact that they are so beautiful and cool, they would simply put the money into their personal account. And if the money went to parts for missiles, but ended up in the pockets of swindlers, then this should be stopped in absolutely any state. You know, its production was advanced in Venice, and in Milan in the Middle Ages, there were monopolists in the ship and weapons industries, because there was a clear model of positive incentives for good work. They needed weapons and ships, they got them. But we have no choice. We worry about specialists who falsify characteristics and cut money
              1. 0
                22 February 2024 12: 22
                Do I worry about “specialists” who commit systematic official and criminal crimes? No, I'm not worried. I'm talking about the system, structures and subjects of management of complex knowledge-intensive and high-tech production. If this system is controlled by your “social” pharaoh, then he will simply take, without really understanding who is right and who is wrong, and wall up all the “right and wrong”, an entire institution, at the base of the pyramid. That's all! Do you want that? Today, production and the applied science that supports it have become so complex that one, even a very talented person, CANNOT manage them effectively! And if we talk about management as a system, then EVERY element of this system and operational “feedback” between ALL elements and the decision-making center become very important. In short, the management system of modern multi-level production, engineering and infrastructure organizations must be more complex than the objects it manages. Only a real social state can build and control it. Industry and government-related mafias do not need all this. They just need to steal. At least under the pharaohs, even under the Venetian doges, even under the Tsar-Father.
                1. 0
                  22 February 2024 12: 53
                  Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                  If this system is controlled by your “social” pharaoh, then he will simply take, without really understanding who is right and who is wrong, and wall up all the “right and wrong”, an entire institution, at the base of the pyramid.

                  Why did you decide that? If the pharaohs were so stupid, then there would be no pyramids at all - during the construction of the first one, the engineers and foremen would have stolen all the money, after which the pharaoh would have walled them up at the base of the pyramid along with all the hard workers. But for some reason the pyramids became more and more complex and taller, transporting stones over hundreds of kilometers worked like clockwork.
                  Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                  Today, production and the applied science that supports it have become so complex that one, even a very talented person, CANNOT manage them effectively!

                  Well, that is, if the pharaoh doesn’t know how to cut a block exactly, then that’s it, he won’t be able to control it? I have a hard time understanding how a computer processor works, but that doesn’t stop me from controlling it
                  Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                  Only a real social state can build and control it.

                  This is able to build an adequate leadership, not a social state. Such production chains have been built for centuries; if humanity could not build production without a social state, then they would still be sitting in caves.
                  1. 0
                    22 February 2024 14: 08
                    I am tormented by vague doubts... If individual phrases are taken out of the context of the comment, then, by and large, you have nothing to say. OK then. Bash on bash. So.
                    1. To build a pyramid as a giant tomb-coffin, I admit that the fear of engineers and foremen is enough, since in case of theft they will simply be walled up along with their “dearest.” But for the development of technical specifications, design, testing, production and operation of complex engineering systems, this is VERY VERY LITTLE. Therefore, the example is, as they say, “far-fetched.”
                    2. If you managed at least three or four educated and qualified technical specialists, set tasks for them, controlled the progress, timing and quality of work, you would understand that analogies “about a computer” are not suitable here. A person is not a computer, and he is involved in the labor process with the help of social social-production relations in work collectives, societies and social states. And these relationships either develop to be consistent with the level of development of the productive forces, or degrade when adequate “leadership,” apart from their pocket or their personal career, no longer wants to see anything and do nothing else.
                    3. Continuing the theme of “adequate leadership,” I can use your own historical analogies, when, 200 years ago, our Russian aristocracy, its own population, which fed them, processed them and fought for their interests, simply held them for slaves and exchanged them for greyhounds puppies! These were the “production chains” of our “adequate leadership” (. By the way, over the past 30 years, “adequate leadership” has ruined the entire system of Russian centuries-old university education, fundamental and applied science, industrial and scientific cooperation, the system of training technical specialists and qualified personnel. Which means we don’t have a social state that organizes, interconnects and controls all these processes, and which, for some reason, you don’t need. Well, that’s the end of the pot(...
                    1. -1
                      22 February 2024 14: 36
                      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                      I am tormented by vague doubts... If individual phrases are taken out of the context of the comment, then, by and large, you have nothing to say.

                      Your doubts are wrong; I have more to say in response to your slogans.
                      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                      To build a pyramid as a giant tomb-coffin, I admit that the fear of engineers and foremen is enough, since in case of theft they will simply be walled up along with their “dearest.”

                      All the senior pyramid builders were respected, intelligent people. They received the great honor of receiving their tomb near the pharaoh's.
                      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                      But for the development of technical specifications, design, testing, production and operation of complex engineering systems, this is VERY VERY LITTLE.

                      Why is it SO MUCH MUCH???!!! At what point does it become too difficult? Is it easy to organize the delivery of large blocks from quarries using the means available at that time? Feed a crowd of workers? Call artists for decoration and drawings?
                      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                      If you managed at least three or four educated and qualified technical specialists, set tasks for them, monitored the progress, timing and quality of work, you would understand that analogies “about a computer” are not suitable here.

                      This is exactly what I'm doing, so pass it on
                      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                      A person is not a computer, and he is involved in the labor process with the help of social social-production relations in work collectives, societies and social states.

                      Has man changed much since the time of the pharaohs? What was it like with welfare states then? Probably they didn’t even know such words.
                      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                      And these relationships either develop to be consistent with the level of development of the productive forces, or degrade when adequate “leadership,” apart from their pocket or their personal career, no longer wants to see anything and do nothing else.

                      These relationships are formed by specific people with specific names in specific positions, and not by some abstract state that cannot be seen or touched.
                      Quote: Oleg Plenkin
                      200 years ago, our Russian aristocracy, its own population, which fed them, processed them and fought for their interests, simply held them as slaves and exchanged them for greyhound puppies!

                      The same people as now in the leadership are exchanging Kupyansk for Medvedchuk. They are simply parasites and impotents, playing the role of a colonizer in the absence of the colonizer himself. Catherine the Second, without any education, surrounded herself with smart men who knew how to turn yesterday’s village boys into an army that reached Switzerland. Without any social state, she just wanted to rule a cool country and behaved reasonably. When someone just wants to be the most important and that’s it, then only butt lickers remain around, and since nothing else is required of them, they won’t do anything else.
                      1. 0
                        22 February 2024 14: 57
                        ABOUT! You are simply a magician! Well then, good luck with your magic! But without me!) Capture your Switzerland, “materialize” specialists at a distance and earn money for your personal tomb). Good luck.
                      2. -2
                        22 February 2024 15: 58
                        So, by and large, you have nothing to say? Your social state with a capital “S” quickly ended
            2. -1
              22 February 2024 18: 30
              Quote: Oleg Plenkin
              People can be controlled using two of the most effective levers:

              In science, the most difficult thing is to develop a young specialist into a scientist and engineer. In scharazhkas, you can exploit kings and even curchatovs, but Kurchatov became a professional while studying at Tauride University at a time when power in Crimea belonged not to the Reds but to Baron Wrangel, or when the Reds were not engaged in leading science in the style of the Lysenko-Beria tandem, but were chasing Makhno and other greens atamans. With the sharashka method in science, science degenerates into Lysenkoism.
              1. -1
                5 March 2024 18: 26
                Quote: gsev
                Kurchatov became a professional while studying at Taurida University

                Are you sure you can stop posting misinformation? in 1940, when he headed the atomic project, he was 27 years old. When the tsar ended, he was only 3 years old. Kurchatov is a typical product of the USSR that one can be proud of. I can say the same about all the academicians I saw in person - everyone was over 70, everyone had the living brain of a student. And all Jewish scientists are also a product of the USSR, because... Jews had restrictions on receiving education in tsarist times.
                1. +1
                  6 March 2024 19: 53
                  Quote: goose
                  Are you sure you can stop posting misinformation? in 1940, when he headed the atomic project, he was 27 years old. When the tsar ended, he was only 3 years old.

                  Open Wiki. Let's read. "In some sources, December 30 (January 12) is listed as the birthday of Igor Kurchatov. Thus, the academician’s younger brother, Boris Vasilyevich, recalled: “Igor was born on December 30, 1902 according to the old style. He is recorded as born on January 8, 1903, because , that the parish had run out of forms."[11]. In November 2015, information appeared that in the funds of the Chelyabinsk archive, the South Ural local historian and historian Nikolai Aleksandrovich Antipin found a metric book of the Simsk plant of the Ufa district of the Ufa province for 1903. It contained a record of the birth of a son, Igor, from “a private land surveyor Vasily Alekseev Kurchatov and his legal wife Maria Vasilyeva, both Orthodox.” She confirms the official date of birth - January 8 (21), 1903, and also gives the date of his baptism - January 12 (25)[12] "In September 1920, Kurchatov entered the Faculty of Physics and Mathematics at Tauride University. By the summer of 1923, despite hunger and poverty, he graduated from the university ahead of schedule and with excellent success." If you subtract 1940 from 1903, you get 37 and not 27. If you subtract 1918 from 1917 (the death of the royal family) or from 1903, you get 14 or 13, but not 3. If you don’t know how to count in your head or in a column, use a calculator before accusing your opponents of misinformation.
                2. 0
                  6 March 2024 20: 12
                  Quote: goose
                  And all Jewish scientists are the same product of the USSR,

                  The influence of the external environment (public education, traditional values, family upbringing) can be quite bizarre. In one institute during the Soviet era, a respected scientist from a Jewish family died. Colleagues came to the funeral wanting to show respect for the deceased and his family. According to Russian traditions, people come to funerals with their heads uncovered; according to Jewish traditions, they wear a cap. Some of the people were from mixed families and they were in doubt about whether or not to wear a headdress. Most half-breeds came in accordance with the Orthodox tradition. But one purely Russian man put on a Jewish kippah, read a Jewish prayer, and politely spoke with the parents of the deceased, who were religious Jews. What was it - a product of Russian or Jewish culture. It seems to me that it was Russian, but certainly not Soviet-communist. In addition, it seems to me that if Soviet national culture had won in the USSR immediately after the revolution, the USSR would have collapsed already in 1941.
          2. 0
            26 February 2024 15: 03
            in the Kremlin, there is something they are not worried about.

            So everything is fine there.
            And we don’t have a pharaoh who would ask, who, for not doing “the head off his shoulders” with someone, in the worst case, transfers him to another place of bread, he “does not abandon his own”...
            1. 0
              26 February 2024 19: 18
              That's what I'm talking about. Such garbage does not happen under a normal pharaoh, nor under a normal doge, prince, general secretary, president or any other sane leadership. It’s not a matter of some piece of paper whether a social state is there or not, but whether there’s a bolt on everything
    2. +1
      24 February 2024 21: 07
      For the effective functioning of such scientific and technological structures, an appropriate environment of accounting, control and competitive motivation is necessary.
      The fact is that any large bureaucratic structure is so keen on “accounting and control” that this becomes almost the end in itself of its existence. Moreover, they forget about development engineers; they begin to interfere with regulation and control. The only place where large structures are not surpassed is in working with officials; a small private owner simply does not have such resources, not only material ones.
      1. 0
        25 February 2024 00: 21
        So, as in the joke, we have only “two paths”. Or join the army, or get married!) Either you control it, or they control you. Who is the subject, in whose interests and for what purposes. Scientists will NOT set themselves a technical task for R&D, financing and technological equipment, that is, they will not set a task for themselves(. Only a social state or oligarchic domination can do this. Personally, I am for a social state and petty-bourgeois self-government of the producing middle class, which is its foundation and the "social base". Scientists will OWN petty-bourgeois manufacturing, engineering and infrastructure corporations, which means there will be self-government, self-control and self-development of the scientific and industrial economy, within the framework of the social state and in the interests of the public good. It will not be the way it is now or will be "social" pharaohs and wizards.
        1. 0
          6 March 2024 20: 26
          Quote: Oleg Plenkin
          Scientists will NOT set themselves a technical task for R&D, financing and technological equipment, that is, they will not set a task for themselves

          What is the point of giving resources not to a scientist but to an intermediary? And entrust R&D planning not to a professional scientist or designer, but to an intermediary without specialized education and without experience in conducting scientific and design work. At one time, Tukhachevsky took it upon himself and his team to write technical specifications for the development of artillery. The USSR was marking time with the development of medium-caliber artillery until the execution of Tukhachevsky. Stalin transferred great powers to Grabin. As a result, the USSR was able to score German infantry, artillery and armored forces with shells fired from the ZIS-3, ZIS-2 and BS-3. After 1945, Ustinov again took away all powers and Grabin could no longer do anything outstanding for the armed forces.
          1. 0
            6 March 2024 21: 56
            Who writes about intermediaries? I wrote about the Customer-Contractor relationship. If you go up the discussion thread, you will see that I wrote, first of all, about the qualified structure of the Customer, who is able to assess the state and prospects for the global development of weapons and military equipment, is able to set a task, assess the scientific and production capabilities of potential performers, conclude contracts, allocate financing, and monitor the overall progress, quality and effectiveness of work. And the issues of conducting R&D, organizing subcontracts, industry cooperation and personnel policy are resolved by the Contractor, linking the resolution of issues that he himself cannot resolve with government agencies. Intermediaries appear when the social state is destroyed, as in the 90s and 2000s, and near-government and industry mafias appear, which, like the tail of a dog, begin to set their own goals and objectives for EVERYONE. And the output is what we have today(.
  18. +2
    21 February 2024 14: 29
    It's sad to read all this. Very sad. It’s high time to shoot effective managers......
    1. +1
      21 February 2024 15: 41
      Don’t worry, most of this audience had to go on to be interrogated by the FSB..
      There is a positive effect from comments on TOPWAR.RU. Excerpts from this site actually end up on the table of the country's leadership - I noticed this back in 2011.
      The main problem is who will fill the projects with their brains... Here everything is more complicated.
      1. 0
        21 February 2024 18: 06
        Justme
        Is it really possible that any of the “serious people” read this sofa site?
        1. 0
          21 February 2024 18: 35
          At least before on this site there was a lively discussion of opinions, a lot of texture...
          It was clear that the British were invisibly present here (they picked up some of what was said and sensitive...)
          But there is a feeling that later our people got tired of it...
          I had an interesting story when it was unclear who came to me with offers...
          But at that moment I was under psychological pressure that my former colleagues would soon go for interrogations and this could somehow affect me too. This prevented the story from playing out.
          The essence of the contact was that I was given information about a group of Russian hackers in London.
          (small text in .pdf format) It was necessary to reproduce something on hacking cryptographic equipment for banking systems. But!!.. the contact was via GMail!!..
          All this mail is controlled by the NSA and this was clear before Snowden.
          Later, the content of the letters was changed (to neutral nonsense). The letters are still on this mailbox of mine. Such a trick was only possible when performed by the special services. The PDF file with the description of the task disappeared from me.
      2. 0
        22 February 2024 02: 36
        What's the point? At best, they exchange such people for the same deputies. Or they don’t change, so they demote him and again into an important chair
      3. ANB
        0
        22 February 2024 21: 45
        . The main problem is who will fill the projects with their brains... Here everything is more complicated.

        There's a problem with this. There are people. But how can you select a team of specialists among the mass of people with diplomas?
        A friend of mine has been collecting teams for about 15 years only from those he knows personally. And then neither petty control nor a mountain of reports are needed. A task is set and the team solves it. The progress of work and intermediate results are checked. And the boss works together with everyone.
  19. BAI
    -3
    21 February 2024 17: 02
    And I always said - if you want to fail the job, entrust its execution to a state enterprise
  20. 0
    21 February 2024 18: 04
    Squabbles, show-offs and intrigues in the “states” are no secret to anyone. I have a question for the author: judging by your article, they don’t do a damn thing in the office, they just “make money.”
    But something appears? Even if it appears a little bit at a time. Who does all this? Aren't they private companies?
    1. -1
      21 February 2024 18: 48
      I do not pretend to fully cover all research institutes and design bureaus.
      Aviation workers have always made a strong impression on me. I have seen strong specialists in many places. In Soviet times, there were inclusions of bright people almost everywhere, and they usually pulled out the situation.
      1. 0
        21 February 2024 20: 10
        Have you ever thought that research institutes and design bureaus are not mushrooms in the forest that grow on their own, and even with “interspersed…”?

        And that in Soviet times all scientific organizations existed solely because they were funded in accordance with Soviet laws?

        Maybe THIS “pulled out the situation”, and also gave the opportunity to “bright people” not to sell panties and jeans on the market in order to survive, but to study and do science?
  21. 0
    21 February 2024 20: 14
    I have respect for professional designers, but I cannot agree with this terminology -
    writing and receiving copyright applications for inventions
    Taking into account the fact that the patent law of the Russian Federation was adopted in 1992, what was written refers to the era of copyright certificates for inventions. It should be noted that an application for an invention was filed, and then, if the technical solution was recognized by the examination as an invention, an author's certificate was issued.
  22. 0
    21 February 2024 20: 28
    Thanks for the interesting article!
    Because The successes and failures of an organization, as a rule, are associated with the “upper echelon”, and the publication is about them.
    But there were mid-level specialists. There were also those who translated what was stated on paper into physical samples.
    Was everything “sad” there too?
    The assembler and installer can also screw things up. Or was everything fine at the level of ordinary employees? Or is it unnoticeable for the scale of the institute as a whole?
    1. 0
      21 February 2024 21: 41
      In 2008, a man “got a job as a leading engineer” and suddenly saw that everything was bad.... And he decided that everything was because these were “Soviet research institutes” (!!!).... It was a serious case and there was very little chance of recovery .
      What “development resources” are remains behind the scenes...
      ..
    2. -1
      21 February 2024 21: 50
      There were certainly talented specialists at NIIFI. Among them, I would single out Nikolai Georgievich Zhegalin. He was my head lab from 1987 to the mid-90s. He was an intelligent man. I was always amazed by the reversals of his communication with the surrounding public - in fact, packs of mongrels.
      He was eventually framed there in the early 2000s and killed.
      The common people at the research institute were different - from outright informers, moral deviants to completely decent ones.
      The problem of research institutes is that someone must have qualifications, such as in Baumanka we had doctors of technical sciences. In the 80s, contracts with universities were saved. The common public, of course, could dig up something, for example, using the method of many iterations, by trying and borrowing wherever possible. And the top of NIIFI has always been a sham. Well, here we are...
      But this description fits that century - up to the year 2000.

      I need to write a separate article about the realities of what I saw in 2008-2012. It was simply terrifying - for example, how defects were built into military equipment
      Our space industry. A look at industry problems from the perspective of an ordinary developer
      https://habr.com/ru/articles/442846/
      1. 0
        22 February 2024 11: 10
        Quote: JustMe
        I was always amazed by the reversals of his communication with the surrounding public - in fact, by packs of mongrels.... And the top of NIIFI was always a sham. Well, here we are...

        You present undoubted facts, but the description of the “top” is not the reason why they “sailed”.

        The real reason is that Russia's fabulous wealth has corrupted its society like no other. Have you noticed that in the West a leader is called “master, chief, boss..”, etc., but in our country Chief- the God without whom nothing can begin? This is the complete impotence of society.... As Dostoevsky’s hero said: “if there is no God, then anything is possible.”
  23. 0
    21 February 2024 21: 51
    Quote: ivan2022
    In 2008, a man “got a job as a leading engineer” and suddenly saw that everything was bad.... And he decided that everything was because these were “Soviet research institutes” (!!!).... It was a serious case and there was very little chance of recovery .
    What “development resources” are remains behind the scenes...
    ..


    Well, he still looked from the inside.
    I didn't work at the institute, that's why I'm asking.
  24. +1
    21 February 2024 22: 11
    I believe that the author was unlucky with the research institute.
    Around 1990, I came from outside to the laboratory of theoretical physics of the Russian Academy of Sciences and became the head of the laboratory. took me to correspondence graduate school despite my non-specialized education. And he spent several years of his time on me without receiving a penny for it. In 1995, I left without defending myself for personal reasons.
    But I will always be grateful to this man and many other people from the Russian Academy of Sciences for the time they spent on me.
    I defended myself only in 2013.
  25. 0
    21 February 2024 22: 15
    I need to write a separate article about the realities of what I saw in 2008-2012. It was simply terrifying - for example, how defects were built into military equipment

    Interesting you wrote...
    Is this going to cause any harm? Or to ensure repeat orders after the resource specified in the task has been exhausted?

    I can’t argue with you, because... Neither education, nor knowledge, nor age provide such an opportunity, but I will cling to this phrase...
    Is it possible to construct a product that has a reliability of 1 percent within the required period, say 99 year, and yet has a probability of failure of more than 50 percent after a year and a half? Are you talking about such defects?
    1. +2
      22 February 2024 09: 00
      Let's give an example of such a built-in defect in military equipment

      Around 2009..2010 I was asked to go to the workshop and work on setting up a pressure control sensor for the landing gear of a military aircraft. This whole development was some kind of horror in terms of the number of clearly visible design defects and fraudulent tricks in the workshop for pushing sensors through military acceptance. The best thing would be to write a research report on all this and submit the report, for example, to the FSB. The scope of this report would be substantially the scope of this article. But in my experience at that time, the FSB is a toothless organization.

      Let's look at just one defect.
      In this development, a microcontroller was used (something from Silabs). This microcontroller must have capacitors for power supply. According to the recommendation from the company, it should be 0.22 microfarads X7R (high frequency ceramics). The microcontroller rumbles at the clock frequency and these pulses go into the capacitors. In reality, they set 47 nanofarads (5 times less) and 10 nanofarads (22 times less).. And most importantly, ceramics - H90 (extremely low-frequency). As a result, the microcontroller seems to work... but when, for example, an electric motor contactor is turned on in the workshop, the sensor freezes. To get out of coma, you just need to turn off and turn on the power, but who will do this on a flying plane.
      These kinds of defects are caught by electromagnetic compatibility tests, but they have been falsified.
      1. 0
        24 February 2024 21: 16
        And most importantly, ceramics - H90 (extremely low frequency)
        The temperature coefficient of capacitance has nothing to do with high frequency. The domestic analogue of X7R ceramics is H20 or H30. And the fact that the blocking capacitors have a smaller capacity than required is a problem. But it was entirely possible to improve the product.
        1. 0
          24 February 2024 21: 46
          Not so simple. This is just one mistake. And there were a lot of them there.
          H90 and X7R have quite a difference in ESR. There is a suspicion that the picture on a vector network analyzer in the upper part of the frequency range will be interestingly different. In the full temperature range, H90 flies extremely far from the nominal value.

          If we talk about the design as a whole, then it would take me almost a whole working day to write an expert opinion on this design (this is if all the materials are available). There was a lot to be said there.
          1. 0
            24 February 2024 22: 03
            And here you can add
            But the product could have been improved...

            Hello, we've arrived..
            I was invited to work as a tuner.. and pusher.. Tuners do not change the design. Of course, I expressed my opinion to the “gray eminence” on such a quarrelsome issue, but the “gray eminence” is a retired alcoholic. His reaction was typical of this type of person when the complexity of the problem exceeds their level.
  26. -2
    21 February 2024 23: 29
    Since stagnant times, all sorts of research institutes, design bureaus and other government shops have been a cabal for drinking or wasting budget funds. Even the Strugatsky brothers noticed this in their “Monday begins on Saturday.” Apart from being impressive, they didn’t produce anything special.
    1. +2
      22 February 2024 10: 01
      The SS-20 RSD appeared in the “Soviet get-together.”
      Now they can’t restore it because the technology has been lost.
      1. +1
        22 February 2024 21: 51
        RSD SS-20
        It was done by people of a completely different background, a different school, different views. It’s like with Moskvich cars, the quality of which was personally controlled by Comrade Stalin; we still cannot repeat the quality of manufacturing and assembly. Maybe only the Auros can be observed, but this is not a machine for the mass user.
        I have a linen wardrobe from those times, carpenters say they can reproduce it only on expensive machines. True, they won’t try to make the wood fiber structures coincide and form a pattern. Like this is the concern of the molars.
  27. 0
    22 February 2024 01: 33
    I fully share concerns about the work style of scientific organizations; I have encountered them first-hand. Endless teas, empty conversations, racing about personal matters during working hours, intrigues, scandals, the fight for a warm place next to an eminent scientist, fawning, and so on. You may not hear a single word on the topic of work in a day; sellers’ websites and other unscientific garbage are open on computers. Working computer programs may not even start for weeks. It's hard to understand what they're all doing. But the bustle of individuals is like that of the local committee in “Office Romance.”
    1. 0
      22 February 2024 10: 33
      Quote: AlexisT
      I fully share concerns about the work style of scientific organizations; I have encountered them first-hand. Endless teas, empty conversations,

      A state that doesn’t need industry doesn’t care about science at all. A suitcase without a handle cannot be thrown away - the neighbors will laugh and call it a savage, and it’s not clear where to put it. The natural resources of fabulously rich Russia have corrupted its society. If the stupidity of the bosses in the West would have long ago led their countries to destruction, then here the stupidity is a hundred times worse only leads to thoughtful grimaces, “signals”, “messages” and “instructions” of the bosses to each other.
      1. +1
        22 February 2024 10: 49
        Quote: AlexisT; Endless teas, empty conversations

        Although I will add, there is another side to the matter.... I observe in a car service that if good and experienced mechanics are going to drink tea and discuss how to solve the next “plug” with assembling or disassembling a unit that cannot be assembled “without a bottle”....then suddenly the boss comes and starts tearing everyone to pieces. You see, he believes that a worker should only work and also tie a lantern to his eggs, but should not think.
        As in the joke about Rutherford: "...if you work all the time, then when do you think?"
  28. +1
    22 February 2024 04: 20
    Crap. I work at a similar institute that deals with the subject of the Strategic Missile Forces. The same. Just one on one. There is also such a topic as the so-called. "military science" All sorts of numbered military institutes that are involved in the development of requirements, acceptance, maintenance, etc. So it’s even worse there than in organizations that are involved in development... They are generally not able to control anything due to complete degradation. I hope this is not the case everywhere.
  29. 0
    22 February 2024 06: 44
    Quote: Asper_Daffy
    Moreover, the author gets so carried away that he stops noticing obvious inconsistencies in neighboring paragraphs.

    The author may also be a neural network, BML - "Large Language Model" :)
  30. +2
    22 February 2024 07: 29
    He worked in a Soviet design bureau, now in an American one - the same position and work. Here everything is much worse, only they pay more money.
  31. +2
    22 February 2024 08: 03
    This is all, alas, the way it is in the absence of a Goal, a Leader and, excuse me, the system of a fat Gingerbread and a sick Whip. And not only here, it was not in vain that NASA switched interest from large contractors to young companies, because it was smart enough. And here is the result - just an unfortunate 109 launches in 2023 (for example, in 2010 there were 15). Russia is also ahead of the planet in total - 19 (in 2010 there were 31), although China is hanging somewhere behind with 67 launches (in 2010 there were also 15). So we are going the right way, to one or two launches a year, and even then military satellites, without which -no way. And we will spend the entire 21st century criticizing the vile, poorly put together data of falsified, of course, Western supposed research on extraterrestrial planets, on extraterrestrial life, on research on Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, supposedly the planet Pluto, the Kuiper belt, adjacent areas of the Solar system. And the first supposedly Martian president, a certain Musk, falsifies everything, filming his beloved on a ranch in Texas (well, the Amers can’t do this, because we can’t, and they fabricated the entire Lunar program in the 60s) But our everything is “Cyber ​​Village”, unlike they are absolutely true! And even in the 22nd century we will fly..on super rockets Soyuz, Proton-200, on superships Soyuz-300, and by the end of the 21st century we will end up in..Luuunuuu superstation Luna -500 (but she still, the bastard, deserts from estimated landing site) At the space superfactories we will have super robots from the same “Cyber ​​Village” who (if they are sober from rubbing alcohol) will use a sledgehammer to drive the sensors with a rotation of 180 degrees from the nominal value, so that the Soyuz-200 rockets are not all completely they forgot their native Earth near Baikonur. And when in the 23rd century the Amers and the Kitai begin to ride around the surrounding star systems on trachomas with the engines of some uh... what's his name, the Mexican Alcubierre (God forgive me), Russia will finally roll out its Wunderwaffe - Super-super trampoline to them . Comrade Ragozin himself will make unnecessary all sorts of stupid and extremely expensive Orbital Elevators of the Chinese (they will switch to them after they cover their entire territory with high-speed lines, there will be no more room left), and will finally finish off his long-suffering “Zeus” (aka “Nuklon” ", he is...), and go ahead, let’s check whether Musk’s heirs live on Mars, and.. we will expose the deceitful West and no less deceitful Chinese. And if by the 24th-25th century we make Leonov’s jerk, then the whole Galakhtikha will be ours !(true, If) And all this will obviously be looked at with approval by the Faces of our First - Korolev, Glushko, Keldysh, Ryazansky, Pilyugin (enemies, however, will slander that they are constantly tossing and turning in their graves, but these are enemies..) .And then the branch space institutes will simply flourish, among the thickets of emerald plants there will be pure gold Kulmans, beauty. it is, Happiness!
  32. +3
    22 February 2024 11: 47
    what they wrote in scientific reports, their dissertations could contain the most terrible obscurantism.
    At one time I became interested in the question - why the Runet is not full of interesting articles, but of dreary, illiterate chewing, which kills flies. I discovered the first reason quickly - more than 90% of articles are not written, but copied, that is, copied from one original.
    Further searches led me to the website text.ru, and then I already understood everything) But to the topic. On this same site, people order their dissertations. There is practically one method for writing them - an old dissertation “from a Union republic” is taken (Ukraine is very trendy; usually the customer himself obtains this dissertation), and specialists called rewriters transform it in their own words in order to deceive computer filters.
    There are tons of these “scientists”. Their protection is provided by relatives, acquaintances and money. So they are the ones who “move science forward” in our country. No wonder its movement is so clumsy and crooked...
  33. +1
    22 February 2024 17: 18
    Author, with all due respect, but there is literally one simple question. Why can’t you organize a business if you are such a specialist? I have some acquaintances who are relatively successful scientists, and in the 90s this did not stop them from promoting science and organizing a tent with vegetables that fed them when science was in one place.
    1. -1
      22 February 2024 17: 46
      Good question.
      In the 90s, I proposed my version of the development of controlled turbocharging
      And there were positive results.
      "The history of the attempt to create the Hyperbar system in Russia"
      https://topwar.ru/222170-istorija-popytki-sozdanija-sistemy-giperbar-v-rossii.html
      I offered director Potanin an option - we bring the system to a sellable level and I will receive money from the replication of the electronic part.
      I poured out a lot of negative opinions in this article, but I was embarrassed to say that in my opinion, the mass of Soviet managers are maniacs fixated on two things - failing everything or stealing everything.
      As a specialist, I incur huge labor costs on self-education (now I’m mastering abstract algebra, for example..), and I have no talent, no time, no strong desire for business..
      1. +1
        22 February 2024 18: 24
        Well, if there is no desire, then eternal dependence on the will of “fools” installed by cronyism.
        1. -1
          22 February 2024 18: 27
          I now work in a private company, here I was able to quickly get a good status..
  34. +3
    22 February 2024 17: 22
    There were different research institutes. And those too. And those who made Buran. But in the 90s, the “shitcrats” cut almost all of those like the latter, and Scientists (with a capital “S”) began to import counterfeit jeans from Turkey to feed their families.
    1. 0
      22 February 2024 17: 47
      My best friend since college worked as a designer in the Buran group. He spoke well about the work.
  35. 0
    22 February 2024 20: 12
    Quote: JustMe
    Let's give an example of such a built-in defect in military equipment

    Around 2009..2010 I was asked to go to the workshop and work on setting up a pressure control sensor for the landing gear of a military aircraft. This whole development was some kind of horror in terms of the number of clearly visible design defects and fraudulent tricks in the workshop for pushing sensors through military acceptance. The best thing would be to write a research report on all this and submit the report, for example, to the FSB. The scope of this report would be substantially the scope of this article. But in my experience at that time, the FSB is a toothless organization.

    Let's look at just one defect.
    In this development, a microcontroller was used (something from Silabs). This microcontroller must have capacitors for power supply. According to the recommendation from the company, it should be 0.22 microfarads X7R (high frequency ceramics). The microcontroller rumbles at the clock frequency and these pulses go into the capacitors. In reality, they set 47 nanofarads (5 times less) and 10 nanofarads (22 times less).. And most importantly, ceramics - H90 (extremely low-frequency). As a result, the microcontroller seems to work... but when, for example, an electric motor contactor is turned on in the workshop, the sensor freezes. To get out of coma, you just need to turn off and turn on the power, but who will do this on a flying plane.
    These kinds of defects are caught by electromagnetic compatibility tests, but they have been falsified.


    Sorry! Have you been asked to walk around the workshop, or check the compliance of the components used with what is indicated in the documentation, which is marked with “date, signature, decoding”?
    I’ll write as a layman and someone passing by...
    You had a circuit diagram, component layout and parameters of the components that you want to use. Was this circuit diagram different from that recommended by the manufacturer of the main component?
    But did not differ from a physically manufactured sample of the approved product. So?
    Then what stopped you from writing a proposal to make changes to achieve higher parameters, justifying this with the recommendation of the manufacturer of the main component?
    I don’t know what X7R is. Or I don't remember. H90, if anything else remains in memory, the change in capacity depending on the temperature. It seems like the increase is a percentage of the nominal, but the decrease... I don’t remember. (
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 21: 22
      It seems like the increase is a percentage of the nominal, but the decrease... I don’t remember. (
      N - This is an unstandardized change in percentage, let's say H30 - a thirty percent change in temperature, but the law of this change is not defined. Unlike the TKE M and P groups, there is a negative or positive linear change in capacitance indicated in the PPM.
  36. 0
    22 February 2024 20: 24
    Quote: ivan2022
    Quote: AlexisT; Endless teas, empty conversations

    Although I will add, there is another side to the matter.... I observe in a car service that if good and experienced mechanics are going to drink tea and discuss how to solve the next “plug” with assembling or disassembling a unit that cannot be assembled “without a bottle”....then suddenly the boss comes and starts tearing everyone to pieces. You see, he believes that a worker should only work and also tie a lantern to his eggs, but should not think.
    As in the joke about Rutherford: "...if you work all the time, then when do you think?"


    Are you in a car service as a client or as an employee? If you are an employee, then remember how many units of unproductive personnel there are per unit of productive one. And how many steps are there from a car mechanic to a manager?
    1. 0
      23 February 2024 09: 29
      In Western service centers it was not enough to graduate from a mechanic to an engineer; then you had to have a VO and work for 5 years as a “mechanic” servicing complex components such as automatic transmissions.
  37. +1
    22 February 2024 23: 43
    That’s how it was, I’ll add about my research institute.
    1. Of the 5 dissertations, one is sensible, the rest are just pulling science by the ears somewhere.
    2. In most doctoral dissertations, at least one chapter is a paraphrased dissertation from a doctoral student
    3. Both general directors are fake doctors: one was given a total of merits (in administration, apparently), the second was dragged through his own council at the institute after adding himself to all the articles published by the institute’s employees over the previous year.
    4. In one of the candidate's dissertations sent from Moscow, there was a direct deception with the data, canceling out the entire work. Nevertheless, a positive conclusion was given, because it is impossible to quarrel with Moscow.
    1. +1
      23 February 2024 09: 30
      Nowadays it’s also not much better, it has become, and even worse, many have “purchased” dissertations and are not even embarrassed about it, although for me, as a specialist, self-education eats up a significant part of my time, but management in the state. offices and often studies at the expense of the company and also writes dissertations and succeeds everywhere... Another form of class society.
    2. +1
      24 February 2024 22: 01
      Scientific capital is acquired.
  38. +1
    23 February 2024 11: 31
    Quote: Amateur
    There were different research institutes. And those too. And those who made Buran. But in the 90s, the “shitcrats” cut almost all of those like the latter, and Scientists (with a capital “S”) began to import counterfeit jeans from Turkey to feed their families.


    That's right!
    What can we say if, glorified by modern effective managers, Gaidar spoke:
    "Why do we need science and industry? We will sell oil and gas, and buy what we need from the West."

    Words about what "in the USSR they could only give galoshes" you know who they belong to.

    In 1982, the USSR aviation industry produced more than 542 civil aircraft!
    This number does not include agricultural aircraft and military aircraft.

    At the peak of its development, the Russian Federation was able to produce only 16, partially Russian planes!

    We know whose relative destroyed the aviation industry of our Motherland, who headed Aeroflot, and began to purchase only Boeings and Barsiks.
    These undertakers are still in the "clip".
  39. 0
    23 February 2024 14: 35
    Quote: Patriot228
    In Western service centers it was not enough to graduate from a mechanic to an engineer; then you had to have a VO and work for 5 years as a “mechanic” servicing complex components such as automatic transmissions.


    In Germany? Or where is it?
  40. 0
    25 February 2024 12: 18
    All these stories and reasoning are for history. Conclusions and further action plans are needed. I understand the topic of digitalization of the pulse, or as I say, a multipolar transistor based on the direct transformation of the value of the Number to an electromagnetic pulse. But this is also mathematics using not a variable value of Number, but a constant one. But I'm smart enough not to play your games. How many years have I been positioning?
  41. +1
    26 February 2024 01: 01
    Potemkin village in action. It's sad though. I wonder if our Mace will fly at the right moment or HOW? The question of the functionality of the Friend-Alien identification system on the two lost A-50 aircraft (January 14 and February 23) disappeared by itself. Perhaps it was made by the same research institute, where the process is more important than the result. Or maybe it seems to me
  42. 0
    26 February 2024 08: 33
    Judging by what appeared in the discussion "honored" professional Ukrainian debate trashers in the comments, the article was noticed even in Ukraine.
  43. 0
    27 February 2024 18: 25
    In private offices they work for profit, in public offices they work for grants from the budget.
  44. 0
    5 March 2024 18: 46
    ...Alas! Much was reminiscent of the not-so-best “traditions” from Soviet times...