Sanctions and pitfalls of settlements in national currencies

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Sanctions and pitfalls of settlements in national currencies

On February 8, Pakistan held early elections to the country's National Assembly, the lower house of Parliament. The election of a new, now “permanent” prime minister and, accordingly, the formation of the government of this country will depend on their results and negotiations between the main parties.

Pakistan in the Russian expert segment is usually perceived as a poor country, squeezed within the framework of military-political, or rather, even geopolitical connections, such as: “India-Pakistan” (enemies), “China-Pakistan” (pro-Chinese former Prime Minister I. Khan against “Westerners” "Sharifov) and others in a similar vein.



There are many connections, but the problem with these constructions is that the real feature of Pakistan’s political system allows Chinese, Western, and Russian companies to work closely with it. And as will be shown in the material on the results of the past elections, most of these speculative analytical connections have little to do with reality.

Their constant broadcasting only discourages those who would like to work there, and allows those who should work there but don’t really want to do anything in this country.

There are quite a few countries like Pakistan in the world, but since Russia practically includes in its official doctrine theses about the need to work with the “Global South,” then while votes are being counted (this is a process of several days) and the contours of the political configuration are being determined, one can not think only on particular bundles of narratives regarding a particular country in the Global South, but also on some fundamental issues and conditions of work in the region as a whole.

And one of the central problematic issues that is on the agenda, and every quarter is getting tougher and tougher, is the issue of settlements in national currencies.

In 2022, the author was somewhat surprised by the kind of “ease” with which we looked at payments in national currencies under sanctions. On the one hand, the Russian media and those who ordered such narratives in the ruling elite can also be understood - well, really, don’t throw ashes on your head. It is also necessary to create positivity.

Creating positivity is also part of the struggle for a place in the sun. But the creation of positive meanings should not become a “thing in itself”, replacing reality and those rather serious problems and contradictions that need to be solved and “unraveled”.

From the point of view of even economic theory, the question of such calculations in the context of the dominance of two reserve currencies (dollar-Euro) and a reserve measure of value (gold) is one of the most difficult. And why, exactly, should it be easy in this case from the point of view of real practical implementation?

You can remember how many expectations there were from past BRICS summits (now BRICS+), they say, now BRICS will issue an alternative currency and show it to the “greedy globalists.” BRICS did not show anything to the globalists, since it is impossible to issue a reserve currency outside the very “global financial system”. We must first create the system itself.

But it is indeed possible to make payments in national currencies even within the framework of sanctions and even within the framework of the current global financial model. The question is how to solve the mass of problems associated with this, and some of these problems are purely our own in nature and originality.

Solving them means that Russia can retain the opportunity to work with different countries, including the Global South, or simply the South, or the South-East; the absence of a solution will mean that we will not be able to fully work anywhere under the current conditions. Neither with friendly countries, nor with neutral ones, like Pakistan.

Recently in the material “Chinese banks and anti-Russian sanctions. Some Aspects of the Problem” examined the problem of blocking mutual settlements of Chinese financial institutions. Our countries are pursuing a friendly, and emphatically friendly, policy. However, blocks appear more and more often. Although it seems that Russia and China are already almost fully operating in national currencies.

In that material, the emphasis was placed more on the specifics of the sanctions regime within the framework of the WTO regulatory framework, but other issues cannot be written off.

In particular, we can think about the benefits for China in becoming our “hub” for parallel imports. For the Chinese manufacturer (from Beijing’s point of view), there is no particular reason for this. Yes, you can buy everything with yuan, just with a nameplate and a “Made in China” certificate, but what is the point of Beijing issuing its foreign trade currency into the financial system for resale and re-export of goods, for example, “Made in USA”?

If it were Beijing, it would be reasonable to generally send out something like an unspoken order, to formalize transactions only for Chinese goods to Russia and for Russian goods to China, reducing re-exports from the United States and Western European countries as much as possible. Even without any WTO norms. There is no question here whether it is friendly or unfriendly, it is simply rational and reasonable for one’s own economy.

Let’s assume that we are going to “purchase” parallel imports to another country, which will kindly turn a blind eye to such things. In what currencies will we complete the transaction?

All local currencies, except for a couple of examples in the world, are quoted below the pool of reserve currencies (some by several times), and of the main reserve instruments de facto, only the Chinese yuan is available to Russia. Using local currencies, you can only buy something purely on the local market and sell it purely on the local market.

You can buy parallel imports on a noticeable scale with only one of the reserve currencies. This means that when launching parallel import schemes, taking into account the current parameters of our imports in general, it will be necessary to take the Chinese yuan again and conduct transactions with it in third countries.

But, firstly, who said that Beijing is generally interested in promoting the yuan on a large scale to the international market through Russia? Yes, Moscow’s imports on the scale of China’s foreign trade transactions are small, but even just signals about the development of such trade will strengthen the yuan where and when China may not be interested in this.

Is China interested in Russia trading in yuan in Central Asia, Iran, Pakistan, Thailand, and Africa? If you read our domestic analytics, Beijing is only thinking about how to “overthrow the hegemony of the dollar from its pedestal,” but everything usually turns out similar to the situation with BRICS.

So far, the invoice of real decisions shows that China is not going to leave the corridor of 5% of world payments in the yuan. Other weight parameters work there. It cannot be ruled out that this position will not change in the future, but this will not happen before the United States and China agree on a real division of regions into cost macro-clusters and fix the rules for such work.

In San Francisco at the APEC summit last year, the parties only discussed the most basic issues and general principles, but nothing more. This is still a matter of lengthy negotiations and very intense tensions. And we, Russia, need to import and export here and now.

Yes, China, probably more than any other country, has developed the topic of new foreign trade payment instruments, as well as digital payment systems, but none of them has yet gained sufficient weight - for this it is necessary to pump up the domestic Chinese business, and it is not yet ready to “vote” for these decisions.

And secondly, who said that a particular country in the Global South has a vital need to increase the share of the yuan in its own system? Pakistan or the UAE look at this with certain concerns; the yuan is fundamentally not suitable for India at all, but this applies not only to India, for example, Algeria or Indonesia will also have difficulty making such calculations.

However, there is a third aspect to the problem. Saying that trading in national currencies is profitable, promising and safe, we lose sight of the fact that a particular economy may, by its structure, simply not be designed for additional foreign trade emission even of its own national currency.

How happy they were in the second half of 2022 that Dubai had become a whole “financial hub” for Russia, but it turned out that Dubai was not ready to issue so many of its dirhams, despite the fact that relations between our countries are at a really high level in matters of foreign policy.

So, in fact, it turns out that “settlements in national currencies” with the current structure of our foreign trade have two directions of development.

First, sooner or later the overwhelming range of our imports of goods that are at least somehow related to the attribute of “technology” will be “made in China”: from an electron microscope to a household switch. We are already moving towards this by leaps and bounds, and there is no reason for Beijing to interfere with this. On the contrary, through friendly and neighborly “help in solving problems with payments” this situation can only be consolidated.

Secondly, work with each specific country that is not China will take place only on the basis of special and even exceptional conditions. Our exports are based on oil, natural gas, fuel and some types of agricultural raw materials. Since here, too, trade will ultimately be tied to the yuan, work will be done with countries relatively close to China and with the permission of the Chinese financial authorities.

Third, when trading in purely local currencies, trade turnover will tend to a minimum value. Not because the participants are “bad partners,” but because with such calculations you are unlikely to significantly advance beyond the borders of the market of a particular country. Many trade connections simply will not be used.

And this is not alarmism, not pessimism, but realism. Because we can write a lot about how in ten years we, for example, with Iran have reached an unprecedented level of trade interaction and increased foreign trade turnover. From $1,4 billion to 4,5-5,0. The percentage is undoubtedly significant. What if not only as a percentage?

But even with Iran, with which we have finally achieved synergy in terms of payment systems, it should be understood that Iranian trade relations are again Pakistan and Iraq, and other payment and pricing mechanisms operate there.

You can, of course, for some time leave the funds received for our raw materials in national currencies in the accounts of companies abroad, through additional legal entities. persons purchase the necessary goods and send them through offsets to Russia, but even here we will be waiting for the same WTO norms, which, as was described in the previous material, bureaucratically compress space, perhaps slowly, but without stopping.

All these issues are just the tip of the problem called the global financial and trading system. For some reason, we call it “Bretton Woods,” “dollar hegemony,” although “Bretton Woods” has already changed several times, and the WTO is already much more complex than the original system of the mid-twentieth century.

Of course, we can debate for a long time about why we are still so dependent on imports, but in reality Russia needs to quickly put into circulation such an instrument that will allow for relatively unhindered transactions worth the equivalent of $180-200 billion. , and in such a way as not to completely depend on the realities and goodwill of its eastern neighbor, and to pass “between the streams” of sanctions restrictions.

And it is unlikely that we will be able to come up with anything other than introducing a second currency circuit for international payments. The Chinese practice of internal and external yuan is often taken as an example, but the catch is that with the offshore yuan you can work in different markets if you wish, but with the ruble in the current conditions this is practically exclusive. To the offshore ruble, even if it were created today according to the Chinese principle, you can try to transfer part of the exports, but not the imports.

One of the most popular topics is the golden basis. The problem is what to do, as in the past historical periods, an analogue, like the “golden ruble”, “golden chervonets”, etc., will no longer work.

This was also a temporary extraordinary measure in the 1920s, since payments in gold and payments in tickets that can be exchanged for monetary gold when financing imports would simply mean an outflow of metal from the country. In order to maintain such a system, it will be necessary to ensure a counter flow of metal from exports.

Nowadays, the Soviet transferable ruble, which had a gold peg, is often remembered with kind words (and deservedly so). However, it should still be taken into account that the transferable ruble was based on large-scale commodity offsets between participants. One way or another, the transferable ruble was precisely a clearing instrument, the functioning of which required a general system for the formation and accounting of value.

Both features of the gold basis are usually the stumbling blocks over which all recent ideas about “trading in gold” or creating a “gold currency” stumble. But it’s impossible to bypass these stones in the current conditions, otherwise sooner or later we will simply import everything from China or switch to banal direct barter on a principle like “oil in exchange for electronics.”

The gold basis looks really convincing to foreign trade operators and financiers. After all, gold has been and will be a kind of stock exchange anchor. And interest in such an instrument will definitely arise.

There is a systemic advantage to this. But if it is introduced, then its form (albeit a modern digital one) should no longer resemble a traditional currency, but rather a security like a coupon bond with a par value discounted to the weighted average exchange price for monetary gold for a certain period. This is one of those rare products that allows such operations.

Payment for deliveries in securities is not uncommon. On the plus side, this instrument, in theory, can have its value in regional markets, including financial markets; on the downside, sooner or later, you will have to pay in metal, even if it is extended over time.

All of the above is intended to show that, as with the restrictions associated with the peculiarities of WTO rules, the problem of calculations does not have simple solutions. If a simple solution is translated as a way out of a deadlock, then in one hundred percent of cases it is either short-term or an element of a “positive news agenda." And our natural Achilles heel is that in the first and second cases complacency sets in, and in vain, since we have no analogues or ready-made recipes to rely on.

Most likely, we will end up with approximately a similar hybrid tool when the situation with parallel import really starts to back us up, but it’s still better not to follow this habit and start development a little earlier.
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  1. +2
    13 February 2024 05: 09
    the problem of calculations has no simple solutions
    Whatever one may say, they couldn’t move away from the dollar...
    1. +2
      13 February 2024 05: 24
      I think that it is no longer worth considering the dollar in terms like “dollar hegemony”, etc. There has been no hegemony there for a long time. Now there is a complex mechanism for issuing reserve currencies, where the dollar occupies the main place only because of the US domestic market, the share of the dollar in international payments is +-42%. Periodically, the Euro takes a large share. The problem is that the dollar and the euro must be considered in conjunction with each other.
    2. +5
      13 February 2024 06: 23
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Whatever one may say, they couldn’t move away from the dollar...

      And there is nowhere to go. There is no alternative to the dollar-euro. And it’s not even expected. BRICS does not create (and does not plan) its own currency. The yuan does not and does not strive to be a global freely convertible currency. Gold is too scarce (physically) to become a substitute for the dollar.

      Payment in local currencies is an imperfect and dead-end path. In essence, this is a limited barter. We learned in the dashing 90s why barter is bad for the economy.

      Forecast. If there is no alternative to the dollar, and there won’t be one in the near foreseeable future, then our country will simply be forced to return to dollar payments. However, they never left.
      1. +4
        13 February 2024 08: 34
        Quote: Stas157
        There is no alternative to the dollar-euro

        Remember, in the era of the USSR, the “adjusted ruble” was used to pay with socialist countries?
        1. +5
          13 February 2024 08: 53
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Remember, in the era of the USSR, the “adjusted ruble” was used to pay with socialist countries?

          Even the countries of the socialist camp needed their own unit of account and a means of accumulation. And such a collective currency was the transferable ruble for the CMEA countries. Which, by the way, was harder than the dollar and had a gold content.
          They didn't live with even a single pair of galoshes!
          And they didn’t slurp cabbage soup with bast shoes, unlike...
        2. +2
          13 February 2024 14: 00
          Transferable ruble hi
          But even though it had gold content, it was still a clearing instrument.
          1. +1
            15 February 2024 17: 45
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            But even though it had gold content, it was still a clearing instrument.

            The Russian Federation needs a financial instrument for international trade. And your naive reasoning about the impossibility of linking a new means of payment to gold is incorrect. Why ? A means of payment that is not backed by anything is of no interest to anyone. The gold reserve of the Russian Federation is 2350 tons. By issuing a banknote (let's call it Brix) backed by gold, we will receive an international means of payment, which can only be purchased for gold, and only this banknote can be exchanged back for gold. This will not interfere with trade for national money. If you have foreign money, say in India, buy Indian gold with it, and use it to buy a Brix banknote to use in payments with other countries. There is no need to invent anything new. See how the US Federal Reserve and the Fort Knox gold storage facility worked. The dollar's problems began when the US Federal Reserve untied it from the backing of gold and began uncontrolled printing of it hi
            1. 0
              15 February 2024 18: 09
              What "Indian gold". You will also buy Yemenite or Egyptian. Monetary gold is concrete gold, and not something chemically “gold”. By God, you’re already volunteering to be clever when talking about “naivety,” so at least do it sensibly. Moreover, we are talking about linking the payment instrument specifically to monetary gold.
              1. 0
                15 February 2024 18: 29
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                What "Indian gold".

                And here it is!
                India has about 23.000 tons of gold ($3,1 trillion) in its private reserves, which is the largest reserve in the world. Leaders in physical gold reserves in the world. There are many major gold trading centers in India. The main ones are located in Delhi, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Chennai, Jaipur, Kolkata and Hyderabad. India's gold production is relatively limited, so gold imports are an important component of meeting domestic demand. India has a special culture among the population, which causes such a high demand for physical gold. Indians don't trust their banking system, so they buy gold.
                Before you write anything, take the trouble to understand the essence of the issue. hi
                1. 0
                  15 February 2024 18: 35
                  The monetary gold of India is 700 tons.
                  What you say about 23 tons is just gold. If you take Yemen and collect gold there, you will collect 000 thousand tons, collect pawn shops in Iraq or Lebanon - another 6 thousand. This is not gold that can be taken into account in foreign exchange calculations, this is local market gold. It seriously affects local trade and dollar transactions, but it is not applicable to the concept of an international payment instrument. Take your “Indian gold” to a pawnshop to find out its real price relative to 6-998 monetary.
                  1. 0
                    15 February 2024 18: 49
                    Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                    The monetary gold of India is 700 tons.
                    What you say about 23 tons is just gold.

                    The main thing is that there is monetary gold. 700 tone. Is that enough rupees to at least buy a ton? lol And there is such a thing - a refinery, where the “fineness” of gold is brought to 999. Is there no such plant in India? There is one in the Russian Federation. And there is no point in talking about “pawnshop” (jewelry gold) here, it is cheaper but low-grade. hi
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                      15 February 2024 18: 57
                      So what is the problem. Tell the Indians to turn their 23000 tons into 10000 and become the richest and happiest in the world. But if I were you, I would put a plant in Yemen. If you dig around there, the tonnage may turn out to be more. May be.
                      You are talking about gold, which cannot be used as an international payment basis.
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                        15 February 2024 19: 05
                        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                        So what is the problem. Tell the Indians to turn their 23000 tons into 10000

                        Do they need it? And to be honest, I don’t need to say that either! wink The problem arose with our companies that sold their goods for Indian Rupees. And I have written only one option out of a thousand on how to get out of this situation. hi
                      2. 0
                        15 February 2024 19: 11
                        There’s no point in swearing at you, even though you were the first to start with your “naivety of the author.”
                        Regarding India, look at the thoughts in the article at the link
                        https://topwar.ru/230691-specifika-i-chudesa-indijskoj-jekonomicheskoj-modeli.html
                        This topic also interested me, because I had considerable experience working with Indians and wanted to somehow accumulate my thoughts. Why we and India are not very compatible economically.
                      3. 0
                        15 February 2024 19: 20
                        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                        There’s no point in swearing at you, even though you were the first to start with your “naivety of the author.”

                        Of course it's my fault feel But then, it’s unlikely we would have had such an interesting discussion hi By the way, in 78 I went to serve as a conscript in the SA. hi
                      4. 0
                        15 February 2024 19: 23
                        Me too, I got wound up. Look at the material about India, there is something to think about. This will definitely fit into the outline of our discussion.
                      5. 0
                        15 February 2024 19: 32
                        In 1978, I looked at the light of God for the first time. I'm 45 hi
                      6. 0
                        15 February 2024 19: 37
                        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                        I 45

                        I 63 hi
                  2. 0
                    21 February 2024 19: 07
                    From any pawnshop, warehouse, sand, nugget, jewelry gold, you can print any monetary value, but so far there is only talk and calculations about who can, just like in the joke, they will take it for bucks and buy it all, so all this must be taken into account, that’s for now silence
      2. 0
        13 February 2024 10: 13
        Gold is too scarce (physically) to become a substitute for the dollar.

        The problem is not that there is not enough of it, but that, thanks to the efforts of the arrogant Saxons, it is artificially too cheap. Why they did it is clear, just to remove a competitor to the buck. But so, logically - if we say in the world for a million conventional units of goods, and a hundred tons of gold, then the stump is clear - if gold costs 10 USD, then of course it will not be enough for everything. Why should it cost so much? What if it's not enough? But if its price is ten thousand, then it’s just enough for the entire trade turnover, isn’t it?

        Then, is it possible to trade with a basket of precious metals? The main thing is to come to an agreement.

        Why don’t you like barter? The example of the 90s was not successful, because the barter market was too small and the needs of enterprises were too small. In fact, why would a boiler room need tires? But are they needed on a national scale?
        Each country generally knows what and how much it needs. Especially in our computer age.
        So we come to an agreement - within the framework of the agreement, we give you a million tons of oil, and you give us a million tons of cotton, a hundred thousand tons of bananas and a thousand durians. And who sells it at what price and to whom within the country is a private matter for each country. Seems logical, no?

        So - there would be a desire. Another thing is that intergovernmental barter will not be able to profit from the numerous current transnational leeches-intermediaries, yes. There will be a howl... Well, why do they exist on the planet in general? And for those who turn out to be truly necessary, they can, in the end, pay for their services in gold; it won’t be that much. And when they, in turn, buy something, let them also give away the gold...
        1. +2
          13 February 2024 10: 44
          Quote: paul3390
          Why don’t you like barter?

          Limits the buyer. As a result, the seller becomes impudent and raises prices. The buyer will not go anywhere! And the Indians became so insolent that they refused to sell with their own rupees. If the example from the 90s doesn’t suit you, then the latest incident with Indian rupees doesn’t teach anything?

          Barter, exchange, exchange in kind... as a method of trade and exchange of some goods for others, became obsolete in ancient times. Because it is ineffective and inconvenient. And starting from the period of antiquity, it evolved to commodity-money relations. Let's not degrade, but try to create a normal modern means of payment - money. Money, and not this, which is subject to constant inflation, devaluation and, from time to time, denomination.
          1. +1
            13 February 2024 10: 50
            What does this have to do with India? The problem there is that there was no barter, but a sale for rupees... Without any obligation to sell something for them later..

            To create money - what is this if not the equivalent of a commodity according to Marx? Why, in our computer age, create equivalents? I understand in the 19th century - you can’t figure out who needs what and how much, but now?

            Another thing is that the Westerners have practically removed the goods from the money-product-money chain. Money can be made directly from money. Or even out of thin air. But do we understand that this is not really money? Since they are no longer the equivalent of a commodity, and in general there are already much more of them than the goods themselves on the planet? Why continue to play their game, which only benefits the West?
            1. +2
              13 February 2024 11: 10
              Quote: paul3390
              What does this have to do with India? The problem there is that there was no barter, but a sale for rupees..

              Formally yes. But in reality, trading for local currencies is not much different from banal barter. This is what the article says:
              Using local currencies, you can only buy something purely on the local market and sell it purely on the local market.

              when trading in purely local currencies, trade turnover will tend to a minimum value. Not because the participants are “bad partners,” but because with such calculations you are unlikely to significantly advance beyond the borders of the market of a particular country.

              sooner or later we will simply import everything from China or switch to banal direct barter according to a principle like “oil in exchange for electronics”


              Quote: paul3390
              Why continue to play their game, which beneficial only to the West?

              This is true. But everyone will be forced to play their (Western) game. Until there is an alternative to the dollar-euro. And such a powerful group of countries as in BRICS may try to create this alternative. But apparently the time has not yet come for this. Since BRICS is not even trying to compete with the West, as it officially announced.
              1. +1
                13 February 2024 12: 24
                The problem with the Indians is that they do not want to sell everything that they can sell for currency, that is, high-quality and liquid, for rupees. And this is understandable - they need currency. But we also don’t seem to have any reason for all sorts of junk in exchange for oil and weapons?

                Still, I don’t think it’s necessary to create an alternative currency. Because with her there are always temptations to follow the path of the buck and start bullshit pumping up the planet with her.. The exhaust is too big. Why step on the rake again, when in modern conditions you can trade either directly under intergovernmental agreements or in precious metals?
            2. 0
              15 February 2024 17: 50
              Quote: paul3390
              What does this have to do with India? The problem there is that there was no barter, but a sale for rupees... Without any obligation to sell something for them later..

              Here ! Therefore, with their money, you need to buy gold, and there are enough exchanges in the world that buy and sell gold. hi
        2. 0
          15 February 2024 18: 37
          Quote: paul3390
          Then, is it possible to trade with a basket of precious metals? The main thing is to come to an agreement.

          That's it - AGREE! But the dollar became inaccessible to the Russian Federation, Iran, and North Korea. Therefore, you should not expect any action from China, Brazil... they will be FOR, but they will not refuse the dollar either. Why ? The US has not yet harshly punished them for disobedience. hi
          1. 0
            15 February 2024 18: 48
            In the sense of “the dollar has become inaccessible to Iran”? In fact, Iran accumulates approximately 1/6 of the dollar supply from the Middle East. You will also say that you cannot buy in dollars in Iran. And you will purchase it, send it to Jordan, and receive the goods in Lebanon.
            1. 0
              15 February 2024 18: 57
              Quote: nikolaevskiy78
              In the sense of “the dollar has become inaccessible to Iran”?

              Iran under US sanctions. Either their holdings will be “frozen,” or some will be unfrozen. The Russian Federation and the DPRK also have dollars and other Western currencies, but it is difficult to use them, which is why the question arose about creating an instrument (currency) for settlements between countries. Why do we need unnecessary problems in such an important issue as buying or selling something? hi
              1. 0
                15 February 2024 19: 02
                Iran simply takes dollars and, if anyone needs them, sends them either through SWIFT or simply without SWIFT. Iran has already made a technological breakthrough in this regard. What the article shows is just access to a quoted international instrument, without intermediate transactions with different countries
                1. 0
                  15 February 2024 19: 14
                  Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                  What the article shows is just access to a quoted international instrument, without intermediate transactions with different countries

                  With different people, but not with everyone. You offer a payment system limited to friendly countries. And I propose to introduce a currency that makes it possible to trade with the whole world. To do this, it must be provided with gold, for example. This is a clear advantage over unbacked currencies, which are still trusted. hi
                  1. 0
                    15 February 2024 19: 16
                    No, not limited, but an instrument that will be listed on stock exchanges. This is something between a banknote and a bond. It can even be made into a coupon, although this will complicate the work and evaluation.
                    1. 0
                      15 February 2024 19: 36
                      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                      This is something between a banknote and a bond.

                      In matters of finance, I am on the side of the conservatives. Why reinvent the wheel if it has already been invented a long time ago? There are many financial instruments, including exchange-traded ones. But try paying with a bond or a stock. In serious companies they will not understand you. The circulation of financial assets is important to them, but here only digital money on the “Block Chain” platform can compete with fiat money, which translated into Russian is an account book. hi
                      1. 0
                        15 February 2024 19: 45
                        And in general, you are wrong to think so. Payments are made with derivative instruments, but here the bond is based on a gold basis. We also paid with bills of exchange, which are much more difficult to sell against government bonds. These are working living instruments. It’s a question of adjusting them to the international system. We need to find a path between the jets. And this is one of the working options.
                      2. 0
                        15 February 2024 20: 06
                        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                        We also paid with bills of exchange, which are much more difficult to sell against government bonds. These are working living instruments. It’s a question of adjusting them to the international system.

                        I know what bills are, barter, first-hand, what a discount is, and the repayment period is 180 days. But these are surrogate instruments from the 90s. We were FORCED to look for payment methods within the country. Global financial institutions and businesses are unlikely to agree to this. Why would they be scared to change something? My opinion is that it is necessary to integrate into the existing system, offering a means of calculation that is understandable and attractive to everyone. But the reality is that reserve currencies (in which most world trade now takes place) are not very accessible to us, which is why the Russian Federation needs its own currency, “its own dollar (call it whatever you want).” Well, financiers in other countries will not change anything , for the sake of trade with the Russian Federation. And so, the fact that we switch to settlements in national currencies is already a success. hi
                      3. +1
                        15 February 2024 20: 13
                        In any case, you need a base, a basis. In the current world there is nothing in the form of a solid equivalent except monetary gold. Everything else is fiat, which can be placed in the center between the commodity and the commodity. But you can only trade gold for a limited period. You give away metal, but do not acquire it. You are wasting it. The bond allows you to stretch this out over time, giving you time to assemble your production. If there is potential for this. There is no potency, and bonds will not save you - gold will go away. This is not an absolute, but an intermediate tool, simply of very high quality, but it is temporary. Gold cannot only be given away, even if it is extended over time, it is to gain time to produce your own
                      4. 0
                        15 February 2024 21: 01
                        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                        But you can only trade gold for a limited period. You give away metal, but do not acquire it. You are wasting it. The bond allows you to stretch this out over time, giving you time to assemble your production. If there is potential for this. There is no potency, and bonds will not save you - gold will go away.

                        I understand your idea. Questions about investments: To stocks, you add bonds like OFZ, but on which exchanges can you place them? With what discount and profitability? I agree that our securities market is not yet developed. Gold-backed bonds will be of interest on the securities market, but will suppliers of goods and services want to accept them as payment? hi
                      5. 0
                        15 February 2024 21: 15
                        They will accommodate themselves. That's why the gold base is good. How at one time Lenin's chervonets were used in the accounts of the City of London. They do not need to be “listed” and passed through exchanges A, B, C, etc. That's what's good about the tool. It has its own cost. Well, I described the minus, the metal will have to be given away. Take a conditional authorized bank in Dubai and change the bond obligation to monetary metal there. The trick is deferred payment and discount.
                      6. 0
                        16 February 2024 08: 37
                        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                        Well, I described the minus, the metal will have to be given away.

                        Let's dwell on this issue. What did the USA do with the dollar, and how did they turn it into a world currency.
                        Stage 1 - we agreed with economically developed countries to recognize the dollar as an international payment currency.
                        Stage 2 - they tied it to gold, and other countries began to bring gold to Fort Knox, receiving dollars in return.
                        Stage 3 - The United States untied the dollar from gold and made it a currency based on trust.
                        Everyone realized that they had been cheated, to put it mildly, but the global financial market continued and continues to work.
                        A dollar that is not backed by gold can only compete with a currency backed by something in order to gain trust in global financial markets. But it also has vulnerabilities, so protective mechanisms must also be developed - say, if it gets into unfriendly countries, it ceases to be backed by gold. And no matter how much the United States buys for its dollars, euros, pounds..... Brix currency, they will not be able to exchange it for gold. hi
    3. +4
      13 February 2024 07: 00
      Whatever one may say, they couldn’t move away from the dollar...

      Nobody tried, as it turned out. It is the United States that is cutting us off from the dollar, and we are not turning it off. wink
      1. 0
        15 February 2024 17: 57
        Quote: Arzt
        Whatever one may say, they couldn’t move away from the dollar...

        Nobody tried, as it turned out. It is the United States that is cutting us off from the dollar, and we are not turning it off. wink

        If you want a multi-polar world, be prepared for a multi-polar financial system and for various currencies for trading. Well, the “owner” said, “let’s go out,” and what, “Is everything gone?” hi
    4. +2
      13 February 2024 11: 17
      Money is a universal equivalent, serving as a measure of the value of goods or services, easily exchanged for them (having maximum liquidity).
      For this reason, there is no need to look for a black cat in a dark room.. You cannot escape the dollar and the Euro... because this money is guaranteed:
      -human resource 1,2 billion total population (USA and Europe)
      -Technology
      -Goods and services...

      Whatever one may say, this combination will dominate for a very long time... accordingly, none of the less developed countries will be able to shake their dominance... And our managers cannot but understand this... which means it’s just blablabla..
      Personally, I often have a thought... from a series of worldwide conspiracy... where Russia is simply carrying out someone’s will... in general... otherwise the whole absurdity is difficult to explain... such wild trash... Just see who benefits from all this trash and it is clear that only the United States... which means Russia carries out the will of the United States...
      1. -2
        13 February 2024 11: 54
        Quote: Svarog
        Russia is simply carrying out someone’s will.. known in general... otherwise the whole absurdity is difficult to explain.. such wild trash.. Just look at who benefits from all this trash and it is clear that only the United States.. which means Russia is carrying out the will of the United States

        good laughing good
        Quote: Anecdote
        - Yes, you are my fish!
        - (thinks: A fish is a pike. A pike is teeth. Teeth are a dog. A dog is (aka, feminine)) People! He called me a slut!!!

        Find three differences from your, so to speak, logic. Svarokh Yes laughing
      2. +1
        13 February 2024 14: 14
        Quote: Svarog
        a thought arises.. from a series of worldwide conspiracy.. where Russia is simply carrying out someone’s will.. known in general... otherwise the whole absurdity is difficult to explain.. such wild trash.. .

        In active confrontation, situations often arise when one of the opponents has the initiative. Simply put, with its proactive actions it forces the opponent to act in a certain way. From an observer not privy to the mechanics of confrontation, this may seem like a conspiracy. It is important for us now to seize the initiative, and to do this we need to create threats to the enemy for which he is not yet ready. At the same time, it is important to be able to carry them out faster than the opponent finds a way out of the situation. Then the search for this exit itself can be calculated in advance, and countermeasures to it can be planned ahead of time. And from the outside it will seem that we are forcing the opponent to bang his forehead against the closing doors. Why is he hurting himself like that? Well, exactly - a conspiracy.
        1. 0
          13 February 2024 16: 18
          Simply put, with its proactive actions it forces the opponent to act in a certain way.

          I agree on this part..
          But in general, there are moments, and significant ones... which cannot be discussed now... otherwise they will imprison you and take everything away... so these moments indicate that... we were perfectly prepared for anything... well, or had the opportunity to do so... but despite this we got stuck... and there are too many moments like this... hi
  2. +2
    13 February 2024 05: 29
    All this struggle with foreign currency is only exhausting our strength. Only building up enterprises ready to produce their own products will help the country overcome a lot. Europe cannot even produce its own products. It is poor in natural resources. We hold different competitions for various nonsense. There are no competitions on design ideas with high pay for competitors. Politics should not be divorced from the economy. The internal economy.
    1. +10
      13 February 2024 07: 25
      The industrial potential of Europe is several times higher than that of Russia. And he didn’t go anywhere there. Don't listen to Solovyov's fairy tales. Everything about domestic production is logical. But for this to happen there must be two key things:
      1- internal investments of the state (preferential loans for industry, subsidies, etc.), and not a rate of 16%, where the output loan is all 18-20%.
      2- guaranteed state order for industry. This is in addition to the defense industry.
      Enough for the first years.
      And the third is conquering markets.
      All sanctions and restrictions against us will last for decades. Therefore, to believe that Europe and America are about to be screwed.... Except for grandmothers. They love to watch talk shows. They don’t understand Nikera, but they love him very much.
      1. +2
        13 February 2024 10: 19
        Everything about domestic production is logical. But for this to happen there must be two key things:

        The most important thing for him should be the customers. First of all, within the country. And for this you need a relatively rich population. What's the point of producing something if, thanks to the efforts of our type of economic bloc and the Central Bank, the whole country is poor?? What to buy goods with?

        Avon with real estate - as soon as the preferential mortgage was removed, everything immediately stopped. How many people have 8-10 lyams in cash on hand? That's the same...
        1. +2
          13 February 2024 12: 53
          For the time being, it is enough to stimulate demand within the country for government orders. The electronics industry alone, or the automotive industry, machine tool industry, aircraft manufacturing is through the roof.
          If the first one is more or less normal, then the rest is a complete mess.
          Although only the domestic market will be loaded and loaded with its production for 5-7 years.
          If
        2. -1
          14 February 2024 12: 48
          Quote: paul3390
          as soon as the preferential mortgage was removed

          preferential mortgage = *X price of apartments... miracles don't happen...

          similarly, lowering loan rates for “real industry” = accelerating inflation and “burning debt for losing industrialists” (which is what the billionaire comrade who actively finances a cloud of “experts” really dreams of)

          again, miracles don’t happen... stop repeating the nonsense about the “anti-people Central Bank” until it has kept the ruble from diving into the dust...
          1. +1
            14 February 2024 12: 59
            An acceleration of inflation can only happen if credit money is used to buy foreign currency and take it abroad. Well - or to import all sorts of junk from abroad for foreign currency. Well, how long can you repeat liberal nonsense???
          2. +1
            14 February 2024 13: 16
            If inflation goes along with the activation of the domestic industrial sector, then let it go. This process can at least be really controlled, unlike the current situation, where prices are affected not only by the exchange rate, but also by the constant rise in cost of logistics and the cost of third-party financial services.
    2. 0
      13 February 2024 13: 00
      We hold competitions for research and development and are very active. One of the most effective money laundering topics. A lot of people are parasitizing on this, they are using up their budgets. There is practically no responsibility. This is science, search. Well, it didn’t work out, let’s go another way for your money :)
  3. +6
    13 February 2024 05: 42
    There was so much talk about a single currency...When the CIS was created, this was discussed, but “I couldn’t, I couldn’t,” the EAEU, the same thing, they even got to the point of discussing the name “Altyn,” it seems... and the single currency of the Union State of Russia and Belarus? They haven’t reached an agreement, and payments are made in euros and dollars. And in BRICS, even less so, they won’t agree.. And payments in national currencies? India is not eager to sell its goods for rupees, give us dollars, but it buys oil for rupees.. Meanwhile, the dollar exchange rate is already growing at $91,08 and rapidly, and with it the prices of goods, especially food.
    1. +7
      13 February 2024 06: 20
      Quote: parusnik
      How much have they talked about a single currency?

      That's when the dollar collapses... wassat
      1. +6
        13 February 2024 06: 23
        Yes, there is a daily collapse, “every day, 100 grams” (c)
    2. +2
      13 February 2024 10: 22
      We didn’t agree for a simple reason - our type of elite, and not only ours, only needs what can be brought to the West and what is valued there. Vulgaris - that you can steal liquid. Rupees or rubles and yuan cannot buy a villa in Miami, just like a football club in England..

      Well, they are not interested in their country, no matter what. And while this is so, they will trade exclusively in dollars with euros..
  4. +3
    13 February 2024 08: 07
    Sanctions and pitfalls of settlements in national currencies
    There are a lot of pitfalls... you have to maneuver, but no matter how it turns out, in national currencies they maneuvered and maneuvered, but never managed.
  5. +2
    13 February 2024 08: 34
    Quote: Arzt
    Nobody tried, as it turned out

    + 1000!!!
  6. +2
    13 February 2024 11: 36
    A double-edged sword and calculations in national signs have their pros and cons, more for some and less for others.
    The only Brix national currency included in the basket of reserve banknotes is the Renminbi, whose share in world trade is increasing, incl. and due to settlements in national banknotes, and at the same time increases the dependence of partners for settlements in national banknotes.
    The sanctions and restrictions imposed on the Russian Federation forced the transition from freely convertible banknotes to payments in national candy wrappers, the purchasing power of which on the world market tends to zero, but makes it possible to bypass sanctions with the help of partners through the so-called. parallel import.
    Strengthening control and the threat of secondary sanctions reduced the activity of intermediaries, and this led to an overstocking of national candy wrappers. The rupee fell to 120 per dollar, and there was a threat of hyperinflation. This forced the main bank to raise its key rate to 1%. In order not to strangle the economy, the government got into the National Welfare Fund, and the main bank issued preferential loans to systemically important industries. To compensate for these costs, they couldn’t come up with anything better than supplying raw materials to the enemy during the war.
    The Global South cannot offer anything other than natural resources and crowds at various international events. The PRC is vitally interested in the resources of the global south, and the Russian Federation is in the political crowd, and this is one of the unifying factors in their opposition to the so-called. collective West.
    The confrontation will be effective only under the condition of scientific, technological, financial, raw materials and other independence from the West. This is the purpose that Brix, Shos, EaS, Silk Roads, etc. serve. associations that will be the more reliable the more tightly they are tied with a single banknote and a system of bank transfers independent of Swift. National pride and patriotism do not allow us to accept the Chinese renminbi and the Russian bank transfer system as a basis. Therefore, the Russian Federation is preparing its proposals for the next Brix meeting. With a high degree of probability, the basis will be the experience of the CMEA countries, which does not infringe on anyone’s national pride, does not abolish national banknotes and poses an insurmountable barrier to the expansion of the dollar and euro. The problem is only weak mutual economic ties, but perhaps a single unit of account will strengthen them.
    1. 0
      15 February 2024 20: 25
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      With a high degree of probability, the basis will be the experience of the CMEA countries, which does not infringe on anyone’s national pride, does not abolish national banknotes and poses an insurmountable barrier to the expansion of the dollar and euro. The problem is only weak mutual economic ties, but perhaps a single unit of account will strengthen them.

      But this will limit the trade of the Russian Federation with countries outside the BRICS, and will require a transfer in trade with Turkey to national currencies. This is not a solution to the main task - ensuring trade with all countries. hi
  7. -2
    13 February 2024 12: 00
    All that remains is cryptocurrency.....
    1. 0
      15 February 2024 20: 34
      Quote: Portos Portosjan
      All that remains is cryptocurrency.....

      Crypto currency cannot be controlled by the Central Bank or the tax authorities of countries. This is rather a criminal way of moving finances. And states do not yet touch these capital movements, since they ensure the outflow of money from the capital market. hi
  8. +1
    13 February 2024 15: 35
    A country like the Russian Federation with the basis of exports - raw materials and products from them, needs to sell goods - get money and with this money buy something that is not produced in the country. Today the Euro does not allow us to buy everything we need...why is the Euro a hard currency for us? There are much fewer hemorrhoids with supplies from Asia.....We need an alternative hard currency.....as option No. 2 we need a hard currency for which the energy resource will be traded.
    1. 0
      22 February 2024 13: 58
      I think at this stage it’s going like this, here’s a tanker with oil and gas - bring back three bulk carriers with bananas, apples, etc.
  9. 0
    13 February 2024 20: 40
    I propose to take a broader view - there is no alternative to the existing financial system, global financial institutions, organizations built on the basis of the dollar and for the dominant position of the dollar.
    1. 0
      15 February 2024 20: 38
      Quote: Oleg Barchev
      I propose to take a broader view - there is no alternative to the existing financial system, global financial institutions, organizations built on the basis of the dollar and for the dominant position of the dollar.

      I disagree only on one thing, that it is impossible to build into this system. hi