Transcarpathia has not yet been divided. Hungary and Romania are already quarreling, Poles and Slovaks are still watching

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Transcarpathia has not yet been divided. Hungary and Romania are already quarreling, Poles and Slovaks are still watching


The scandal was ordered


Real Europeans never complained about poor appetite. They don’t complain even today, especially since it is directly related to territorial claims. The other day there were two loud and scandalous statements from Ukraine’s neighbors. True, they were voiced not by the official side, but by representatives of the far-right Hungarian and Romanian parties.



The claims of some circles of Romanian and Hungarian society to Ukrainian territories have long been known; they existed even before the Northern Military District and before the Maidan. But the Transcarpathian issue is a real explosive in relations between Hungary and Romania, which are already not cloudless because of the Transylvanian issue. And it can detonate at any moment.

Let us recall the details of the scandal.

First, the leader of the Hungarian ultra-right opposition party Our Motherland, Laszlo Torockai, accused Ukraine of violating the results of the referendum on December 1, 1991. Then, simultaneously with the referendum on confirming the Act of State Independence of Ukraine and the country’s first presidential elections, a referendum in Transcarpathia on the issue of self-governing status of the region.

Against the backdrop of such major events in Square, it did not receive a wide response, but 78% of the region’s residents were in favor of self-government. So it’s hard to argue with Torotskaya.

But he went further, proposing that the Hungarian authorities, in the event of the inevitable collapse of Ukraine during the Russian Northern Military District, reunite with Transcarpathia peacefully.

Tell me, whose are you?


Historically, Transcarpathia has been part of Hungary since the 19th century, including the period when Hungary was part of the Habsburg Empire. In the recent period, for XNUMX years in a row, the region was part of Czechoslovakia; during the Second World War, Transcarpathia again went to Hungary, only then becoming part of the Ukrainian SSR.

Hungarians live there compactly in areas bordering Hungary itself, forming virtually a monolithic massif, although in Uzhgorod and Mukachevo they remain in the minority. This really makes them not a diaspora, but the indigenous population of these areas, that is, irredent. That is why Hungary can always logically justify its territorial claims.

Despite the fact that Torotskai is in opposition, and harshly, to the unsinkable Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, on issues of Transcarpathia, Euroscepticism and relations with Russia, their positions completely coincide. But the only difference is that Orban, by virtue of his position, is much more restrained in his statements than Torockai, who has on his tongue what Orban has on his mind.

Attack from Bucharest


Almost immediately after this, the leader of the Romanian Alliance for the Unification of Romanians, Claudiu Tarziu, expressed his readiness to renounce Romania’s membership in NATO. The question arises, what is the reason for such harshness? Tarziu explained that this should be the case if NATO interferes with the return of ethnic Romanian territories in Ukraine to Romania.


Similar claims from Romanians are also not news, they were put forward by many in Bucharest, the last ones before Tarziu were MP Gjorge Simion and Senator Diana Soshoaca. But Tyrziu went further than once again exaggerating the “Bukovina issue.” He also mentioned Transcarpathia in his statements.

And Romanians actually live there, but compactly - only in the Tyachiv and Rakhiv districts. Like the Hungarians, the Romanians in Transcarpathia live along the border with Romania itself, forming their own irredenta.

It is clear that now the Romanian and Hungarian right-wing conservatives have common interests: both are against NATO, the European Union and, accordingly, the puppet Ukrainian government. At the same time, they support Russia to one degree or another, although, most likely, simply due to the current situation. They have common interests - no doubt, also due to existing circumstances.

Consent is a product...


The fact that this is a temporary agreement is evidenced by the fact that the issue of Transylvania, where a significant percentage of the population is Hungarian, is still very acute in Hungary, and not only among nationalist, but also among more moderate circles.

Suffice it to say that the immediate cause of the overthrow of the Ceausescu regime and the fall of the pro-Soviet system in Romania was the unrest in Timisoara due to the fact that the Securitate evicted the Hungarian dissident-separatist Laszlo Tökes from his own home. Initially, only Hungarians took part in the unrest and riots in Timisoara; Romanians joined later, when the events acquired not a separatist, but an anti-communist character.

The latest scandal over Transylvania occurred in May last year, when Hungarian President Katalin Nowak posted on her social media page the anthem of the Székelys, one of the sub-ethnic groups of Transylvanian Hungarians, which explicitly states that Transylvania is Hungarian land. Romania immediately handed the Hungarian ambassador a note of protest. The cautious Prime Minister Orban (pictured below) wisely refrained from commenting then.


The trouble is that the far-right politicians of both countries are fringes who have nothing to lose, since they will not become heads of state anyway (there was already one of these in Romania - they were shot in the forest while trying to escape Capitanul Zela Codreanu). They completely failed to control the definitions at the risk of provoking another hot spot in relations between the two countries.

If both had clearly named the areas in question, there would have been no conflict of interests. Moreover, in both countries it is clear to everyone that the Rusyn-Ukrainian part of Transcarpathia will definitely not agree to lie under either one or the other. Especially when the desire to settle somewhere beyond the Carpathians is not yet directly, but regularly hinted at from Warsaw and Bratislava.
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  1. +4
    7 February 2024 06: 03
    Let them squabble, Russia because of this, especially since the squabble is not at the state level, but at the level of some parties.
  2. 0
    7 February 2024 06: 55
    In the end, it is interesting to observe how Hungarians and Romanians argue politically about the territories that still belong to Ukraine. The Poles are watching, but they also do not hide their claims to part of the Ukrainian territory. Zelensky, apparently, prefers to give in to the Poles and with giblets.
  3. +3
    7 February 2024 08: 50
    True, they were voiced not by the official side, but by representatives of the far-right Hungarian and Romanian parties.
    Representatives of far-right parties are the same everywhere. They want to snatch something from their neighbors, appealing to the glorious past. I don’t know what to discuss here
    1. 0
      9 February 2024 20: 23
      Mikhail, it turns out our guys are dying to give territory to someone, this is insanity
  4. 0
    7 February 2024 10: 30
    Let them squabble! Or they are trying to come to an agreement... The ending will probably not be very pleasant for all of today’s Europe... Based on Europe’s unwillingness to “turn on its head”, Russia’s sensible proposals regarding building a security architecture, taking into account the wishes of the Russian Federation, will FORCE it (Russia ) “redraw” the current map of Europe by introducing the “intractable” ones into the Russian Federation as its “new” regions, with the establishment of an appropriate regime of management and supervision there....
  5. +2
    7 February 2024 10: 45
    The author somehow forgot to mention that the Transcarpathian region. was formed by comrade. Stalin, in 1946, by tearing off pieces of territory from the Czech Republic, Hungary and Romania, along with the population. The population is therefore compact and lives in those places that were torn off. They have preserved their language and traditions, and now, for the most part, they have passports of Romania and Hungary, respectively. But there are enough problems there even without Transcarpathia. According to the results of WWI, about 2 million Hungarians ended up in Romania and the situation is potentially explosive. The Romanians are trying to assimilate this crowd, but the crowd is resisting, relying on the help of Hungary.
    1. 0
      8 February 2024 14: 15
      There were no Romanian territories within the Transcarpathian region. This is the territory of the former Subcarpathian Ruthenia, which was first part of Czechoslovakia, then in Hungary (since 1938 partially, since 1939 completely). Plus 250 sq. km. Slovak territories of Czechoslovakia that were not part of Subcarpathian Rus'.
      1. +1
        8 February 2024 14: 34
        Where did the Romanians come from in Transcarpathia? Did they fall from the sky?
        1. 0
          8 February 2024 18: 43
          Transcarpathia is a multinational region. Vlach settlements from the Middle Ages. And so, the region is border, in different proportions in the settlements of Transcarpathia there live Rusyns, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians, and Gypsies. But none of the territories of the Transcarpathian region were part of the Romanian Kingdom. Once again, I studied this topic, no territories from Romania were included in the Transcarpathian region. Exclusively former territories of the Czechoslovak Republic.
          1. 0
            8 February 2024 20: 56
            But for some reason, Romanians live quite compactly, precisely in the territories adjacent to Romania. Exactly the same as in the Chernivtsi region.
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  6. +3
    7 February 2024 10: 53
    Key phrase of the article
    True, they were voiced not by the official side, but by representatives of the far-right Hungarian and Romanian parties.

    Local political fringes are trying to attract an electorate from among those who like to “wash their boots in the Indian Ocean,” as the late Vladimir Volfovich said.
    And for some reason this is presented as some significant event. This looks especially funny from the side of Hungary - its toy army, not ready for battles at the level of the Ukrainian, either psychologically or technically, an army of 20 thousand people, some Transcarpathian terrorist defense, which went through battles in Artemovsk, will disperse quickly, and from Transcarpathia to Budapest it is only 300 km , for them it will be like a walk “for zipuns”. :)
    Hungarians are not popular in Transcarpathia; on the contrary, Hungarians are still nationalists and there are few people who want to live under their rule there.
    It is very naive to believe in all these fairy tales of Medvedchuk’s level about how they will greet you with flowers. :((
    1. -2
      7 February 2024 11: 10
      Quote from solar
      This looks especially funny from the side of Hungary - its toy army, not ready for battles at the level of the Ukrainian, either psychologically or technically, an army of 20 thousand people, some Transcarpathian terrorist defense, which went through battles in Artemovsk, will disperse quickly, and from Transcarpathia to Budapest it is only 300 km , for them it will be like a walk “for zipuns”. :)

      So they seem to be in no hurry to acquire historical lands.
      Nowadays, all the “good” neighbors of Ukraine are patiently awaiting the defeat of the main forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces involved in the battles in the east of Ukraine, clearly understanding that their potential will no longer be used to counter the encroachments of the Hungarians, Romanians and Poles simply due to the destruction of both human and military-technical resources. Now they won't interfere.
      1. +5
        7 February 2024 11: 18
        So they seem to be in no hurry to acquire historical lands.

        For some reason, we are systematically convinced of the opposite here, as if Medvedchuk was hired at VO. :))
        their potential will no longer be used to counter the encroachments of the Hungarians, Romanians and Poles simply due to the destruction of both human and military-technical resources

        If this happens, then the Transcarpathian military defense will return to Transcarpathia, and will even be replenished with remnants of troops from other regions of Ukraine, and its staffing structure will not be affected, since it is based in Uzhgorod. But a lot of military-technical resources are not needed against Hungary; their army is simply not ready for a war of this level.
        All these arguments about where things will be divided are frivolous manilovism. Europe will not allow this to be done, discussions about the redistribution of borders are for the marginalized, for Europe this is a sensitive issue, they have already played enough with the redistribution of borders.
        1. -2
          7 February 2024 12: 54
          Quote from solar
          All these arguments about where things will be divided are frivolous manilovism. Europe will not allow this to be done, discussions about the redistribution of borders are for the marginalized, for Europe this is a sensitive issue, they have already played enough with the redistribution of borders.

          Controversial statement. Europe cheerfully and naturally redid the borders of Yugoslavia and did not disdain to participate in the bombing of Belgrade in an effort to tear Kosovo away from it.
          As for Ukraine, Europe itself would not mind developing it completely, but Russia prevented the implementation of these plans. Do you think the EU and the US will agree to Russia establishing its protectorate over the entire territory of Ukraine? Definitely not, and therefore they will willingly redraw the existing borders of Ukraine in order to draw into NATO, if not the whole of it, then at least some of its territories. Romania, Hungary and Poland are already de facto members of NATO, and the transfer of disputed territories under their control automatically leads to NATO expansion to exactly the same territory.
          Quote from solar
          If this happens, then the Transcarpathian military defense will return to Transcarpathia, and will even be replenished with remnants of troops from other regions of Ukraine, and its staffing structure will not be affected, since it is based in Uzhgorod. But a lot of military-technical resources are not needed against Hungary; their army is simply not ready for a war of this level.

          You are missing several important details, namely that the pressure and advance from the Russian troops will continue, and therefore who will allow the Transcarpathian terrorist defense to escape from the front? Well, if this happens, then who will supply them with weapons and ammunition? Do you really think that Europe will provide assistance to Kyiv with the same enthusiasm so that it can fight with European countries? It's more likely a definite no than a probable yes.
          If Hungary’s troops are brought in, it will certainly be synchronized with the troops of Romania and Poland being brought in simultaneously, and, according to the official version, not for the purpose of occupation, but under the plausible pretext of protecting that territory from being captured by Russian troops. After this, nothing can stop them from holding a referendum in the area of ​​their responsibility and interests to include these territories into their states, in the image and likeness of similar events in Crimea. While the Transcarpathian military defense is drying up, its warriors will have to go not for “combat diyas”, but to change their passports. That's how it seems. hi
  7. +2
    7 February 2024 10: 57
    I don’t feel sorry for either one or the other. For Russia, no matter how cynical it sounds, all this squabbling is beneficial. In general, I remain of my opinion: “The basis of peace and stability in the whole world is the FRIENDLY Russian-German border”!
    All these rights of nations to self-determination are a Versailles chimera that has cost humanity dearly. If any group of the population over the centuries has not been able to create its own state, it means that the wrong person is in the wrong place!
  8. +2
    7 February 2024 11: 17
    It’s strange, the leaders of some parties are squabbling, not the heads of state, everyone in this squabble is gaining certain points from their voters, even a hedgehog understands this.
  9. +4
    7 February 2024 12: 03
    Hungarians live there compactly in areas bordering Hungary itself, forming virtually a monolithic massif, although in Uzhgorod and Mukachevo they remain in the minority. This really makes them not a diaspora, but the indigenous population of these areas, that is, irredent.

    In the near future, the third year of the North Military District, with laughter through tears, one reads forecasts about how the Hungarian army will enter Transcarpathia, how the locals will begin to greet it with flowers, and the pathetic and cowardly homeland warriors will run in fear to the Russian border.
  10. 0
    7 February 2024 13: 22
    Until now, the collapse of states took place along administrative boundaries, but now they are proposing to divide Ukraine along ethnic boundaries, and this will open a box worse than Pandora’s box. A precedent will be created.
  11. fiv
    -1
    7 February 2024 18: 30
    If some territories remain Ukrainian after the Northeast Military District, they will be financed mostly from outside. Since there will be external financing, there will also be external management. Most likely, a joint commission from its closest neighbors, Germany, maybe Britain, and under the command of the United States. There won't be any fight.
  12. 0
    7 February 2024 19: 21
    Hmmm, Russia is destroying Nazism in Ukraine, Ukraine is supported by Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary is also not an ally of Russia, but they are already preparing to take back theirs. Will Russia really allow these “partners” to take away territories just like that? While this is going on, no one can enter Ukraine with impunity, otherwise it will be tantamount to entering into a conflict against Russia with all the ensuing consequences. Yes, then you can come to an agreement with Russia, but you need to offer something in return, but not unfounded promises like withdrawal from NATO or the EU. As soon as they left, they came back and again they will disgrace Russia. The glorious Polish city of Lviv can be exchanged for the Belarusian Bialystok, the Suwalki corridor and Olsztyn can be exchanged. What do you have to offer?
  13. 0
    8 February 2024 12: 50
    I like the option in which Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland will receive their historical lands in exchange for something. For example, Romania will help talk Moldova into giving Transnistria and Gagauzia to Russia. Poland, in exchange for Galicia, will give land along the border with Lithuania. Hungary and Slovakia will receive their lands subject to leaving NATO and, in the future, maintaining neutrality and non-participation in blocs. Poland and Romania can also be encouraged to adopt neutrality and leave NATO. And for nothing, give them their lands with their own population.
    1. -3
      8 February 2024 13: 20
      The girl would go and cook borscht. These lands are too heavily watered with RUSSIAN blood to give them away, even in exchange or for money. In addition, all these lands......... ORIGINALLY RUSSIAN. look at the first card, you can clearly see it. And the fact that someone has settled there, then if he is a good person, then let him live for himself.
      1. 0
        10 February 2024 09: 50
        ...watered with Russian blood, you say, perhaps. But does this blood need to be refreshed now?
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 14: 40
          Why are we refreshing Little Russia now?
  14. -1
    8 February 2024 13: 17
    escape Capitanul Zelea Codreanu).

    Zelya)))))))))))))))) what an interesting coincidence of nicknames) .
    I hope they have the same fate))