Memories vs Statistics

365
Memories vs Statistics
Highland. Anapa. The place is wild (especially in 1979), but cute! Modern photo anapastar.ru


"Railway transport system of the USSR
transported 2–3 times more cargo than in the USA,
and passenger turnover was tens of times higher.”
A. B. Petrov

People and story. Today we continue the theme of memories of the past. It is clear that, like all particular examples, they are subjective, but to a certain extent they are indicative, since they really reflect what happened. Which, by the way, is not difficult to verify after reading this material.



However, I would like to start it with a number of comments from readers of our site. I liked them because of their logic and clarity of formulation, and these are not mantras that are usually found in the comments of their ideological opponents. Some are downright worthy of good scientific work. But, as I already warned above, my material will contain only my personal life experience.

The leadership has clearly become disconnected from the people


From which it follows that in the USSR there was a negative selection of power: at the top there were disproportionately more people with proprietary interests than those who care about the interests of Soviet society and the working people of the whole world (Stanislav Shishkin).

Paradoxically, growth and development were combined in the USSR with serious illnesses - then, when growth was significant and significantly outstripped the factor of degradation, there was a feeling that it was not there, but it was always there. A sort of “complex decline” VS “focal high-intensity growth” (Knell Wardenheart).

Instead, the approach has degenerated into a “cult of spells” through which they are trying to shake up the average person, for some reason in their frozen ideas this is a practically unchanged every person since the time of the King of the Peas, and accordingly they are trying to use “on him” the same methods as and in those days. This problem of perceiving things was visible back in the days of the “middle USSR”, when in agitprop the bourgeoisie from the cartoons was still wearing a top hat, a monocle and white gloves, whereas by that time he had not been like that for 100 years (N.Z).

In my opinion, “Stalinism” can be formulated as “a dogmatic and authoritarian left-wing policy that uses aggressive radical populism, as well as practices of legal alienation and extra-legal actions to achieve or approach stated goals.” (Knell Wardenheart).

It so happened that in 1978, my wife and I went on vacation after a year of work in the village to Anapa. We boarded the plane, arrived, immediately found an apartment and had a very good rest. The owners invited us next year as well. And a year later, we again took plane tickets (for the train there was just a terrible line at the ticket office!), flew to Anapa, settled in the old place and immediately went to buy a ticket for the return journey.

It turned out that even at the Aeroflot ticket office you need to sign up for a queue and go to roll call at 5 am for about a week. “But that’s nothing,” they warned us in line, “you need to register at the railway ticket office two weeks in advance, so a week here is nonsense!”

We signed up, I went to roll call for a week, and when it was my turn, they told me that there were no tickets for the number of tickets I needed. And the same thing happened the next day, and the third... It turns out that we were stuck in Anapa! And most importantly, there was no guarantee that there would be tickets for this flight at all - that’s what they told me at the ticket office.

What to do?

There is only one way out - go to the railway ticket office and buy train tickets. Let's go, sign up... And time flies! And you have to pay rent and eat three times a day. And it turns out that the two weeks that we have already lived through, plus two more roll calls, plus the time before departure...

And in the end it turned out that we simply did not have enough money to stay in Anapa. Or we'll have to starve! Of course, you could give a telegram to your parents. But we lived with them according to the principle of the Indians, who said: “Respect the old people, but don’t trust them!”

It is clear that our “ancestors” did not like such independence too much, and every now and then they tried to punish us with at least a ruble. Only we didn’t give in painfully and never asked anyone for money. So this path was also closed for us.

My wife almost went into hysterics, but I convinced her that with me she had nothing to fear, that “we’ll steal the money, but we’ll get it.” And they got it!

We went to the High Bank, where at that distant time there was a bottle warehouse, and all the rejected bottles were thrown off the cliff into the sea. Therefore, the entire shore was strewn with beautiful multi-colored pebbles made of green bottle glass, but there were also red and yellow pieces of glass. They sent my daughter to collect them (for a five-year-old child this is the perfect activity), and we started catching small “stone crabs.” We caught about a hundred, no less. AND…

I buried them all in an ant heap nearby in the park. I bought a jar of epoxy glue and, when the crabs turned into dried mummies, I got busy with “creativity”: I put glass pellets greased with epoxy (this was necessary so that they would shine as if wet with water!) into piles, and also placed a crab covered with epoxy resin on top. The result was small, easy to transport in a suitcase, and even a souvenir shimmering with all the colors of the rainbow.

I also made several vases of simply wondrous beauty by pouring glass, smeared with resin, between two cylinders of paper wrapped in plastic film - epoxy does not stick to it.

And then with all this I went to the path leading to the beach, where local entrepreneurs usually sold boiled corn, Marlboro bags (the gypsies demanded from 6 to 10 rubles for them) and... large crabs on varnished plywood. But their makers had no taste, so their “product” looked very poor compared to mine. And how can you transport such a healthy crab in a suitcase? It will break, because it is fragile...

I settled down... It was then that the “beach-goers” walking past me pounced on my shiny souvenirs and started buying them, so that there was even a queue!

In general, by the time my wife and daughter showed up on this path, I only had one vase unsold! Expensive, they say 6 rubles.

Then my wife realized everything and began to buy it from me, and it turned out that “she came up second, and I was the first... And why are you, girl, bothering me, I’m already buying. I’ll buy it for ten... No, I’ll buy it for ten...”

In the end, the vase went for 10 rubles. And we celebrated our earnings of 326 rubles in the restaurant. Now we already had enough money, but I repeated this “action” one more time, so that we went to roll calls at the cash desk now in complete confidence in our fate. We bought tickets and returned home, having stayed in Anapa instead of the two planned weeks for a whole month and a half! Wonderful, isn't it?

But during all this time I almost never had a chance to get a good night’s sleep, since I had to get up at 4:30 and run to roll call at 5 o’clock!

And the question is, if our trains ran so well, why were there always not enough tickets for them? Moreover, that year it was reported that 1,5 million people came to Anapa. But last year, when we again vacationed in the Krasnodar Territory, and the year before, 1,5 million people also vacationed in Anapa. That is, since 1979, the number of vacationers in this city has not decreased, but for some reason there are now enough train tickets there.

There were no tickets for the next year, 1980, but here we had already calculated everything in advance and were ready for any eventuality. But more about that next time...

PS


It is possible that one of the readers of our site was vacationing in Anapa just at this time. Let me remind you that the railway “beach” ticket office then stood on a vacant lot in the place where the “Aquapark” is now located.

Or maybe some of you even bought such a “shiny crab”?

It would be great if he kept this souvenir. Although you can hardly count on it. A lot of time has passed.

By the way, I subsequently wrote about making souvenirs from Anapa glass pebbles in the book “From everything at hand,” published by the Minsk publishing house “Polymya” in 1987.
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

365 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +20
    February 11 2024
    I don’t know who S. Shishkin and Knell Wardenheart are, maybe they are some kind of authorities for the author.
    But the article is not about how Shpakovsky cleverly got out of the situation when he was left without money. Let's forget about the fact that he was a member of the CPSU.
    And about the fact that it was difficult to buy tickets. Yes, it happened. Now everything is a little simpler. But the point is, under Soviet rule, almost anyone could afford to relax on the seashore. So the people went to the seas.
    Now they also travel, but not nearly as en masse as during the USSR.
    1. -9
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ee2100
      was a member of the CPSU

      I wasn't there yet. It's 1979. But there will be a continuation when there already was!
      1. +9
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        I wasn't there yet. It's 1979. But there will be a continuation when there already was!

        I remember, I remember, but you were lucky that the “cops” didn’t arrest you. At the Liselidze DO, the Georgian cops had their business on this.
        1. -1
          February 11 2024
          Quote: tihonmarine
          that the “cops” didn’t arrest him.

          There will be an interesting continuation of this...
          1. 0
            February 11 2024
            There will be an interesting continuation of this...

            Look forward to. So far everything is very true.
            Holidays on the Black Sea coast during the Soviet era were an extreme experience for a mere mortal.
            And not for the simple ones either.

            Due to the nature of his service, he had the opportunity to relax in almost all sanatoriums and pre-meds of the Moscow Region, except for the generals Voroshilov and Fabritius. It’s always stressful with accommodation, food and organization in general. On the other hand, what else can you expect when the price is practically free.

            Now maybe what has changed, I don’t know, I haven’t ridden for 15 years and can’t handle it. There are better options. soldier
            1. Des
              +5
              February 11 2024
              Holidays on the Black Sea coast during the Soviet era were an extreme experience for a mere mortal.
              It is not true. In printed words. Perhaps you are a former V.S.L. (but “I had the opportunity to relax in almost all sanatoriums and DOs of the Moscow Region, except for the generals Voroshilov and Fabritius.”) and you understand the meaning of the expression “not true.”
              1. 0
                February 11 2024
                It is not true. In printed words. Perhaps you are a former V.S.L. (but “I had the opportunity to relax in almost all sanatoriums and DOs of the Moscow Region, except for the generals Voroshilov and Fabritius.”) and you understand the meaning of the expression “not true.”

                I mean vacation as a “savage”. I don’t argue, many were happy with it until capitalism arrived and they saw how it could be. wink
            2. AMG
              0
              February 12 2024
              Should they have laid out the red carpet for you? Or did you watch enough of Vasily Shukshin’s film “Stoves and Benches” before this?
          2. +8
            February 11 2024
            And the question is, if our trains ran so well, why were there always not enough tickets for them?

            In 1980, the whole family vacationed in Anapa... BUT, my father bought round-trip tickets in advance at the railway ticket office in our city... so there were no problems with returning back. The only negative from that holiday was the stuffiness and heat on the train...
      2. +10
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ee2100
        was a member of the CPSU

        I wasn't there yet. It's 1979. But there will be a continuation when there already was!

        I apologize, of course, but how did the residents of Penza at that time have such “northern” vacations, so that instead of the required 18 days, they could steam on the beach for a whole month and a half and at the same time the employer kept the workplace for the “missing” employee? winked
        We bought tickets and returned home, having stayed in Anapa instead of the two planned weeks for a whole month and a half!
        1. +5
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          I apologize, of course, but where did the residents of Penza get such “northern” vacations at that time?

          Teachers then had and now have two months of leave.
      3. +13
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        I wasn't there yet. It's 1979.

        Vyacheslav Olegovich, by the way, what do you think, can a communist be a former? Why are there so many renegades now who betrayed the party, and at the same time accuse socialism of depravity, after it was also perverted by their careerism, idleness and sabotage?
        Your article is crafty, it’s not immediately clear what statistics the facts are against, but judging by the colorful description of problems with recreation, the Soviet government is again to blame. Now it’s a different matter, not life, but a fairy tale, thanks to capitalism. It was possible to lie more, the “damned commies” did not have the Internet and cell phones, LCD panels, foreign cars, and much more from the bourgeois paradise.
        Where would we be now if it weren’t for the chatterbox Gorbachev and Judas Yeltsin...
        1. -6
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Per se.
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, by the way, what do you think, can a communist be a former? Why are there so many renegades now who betrayed the party, and at the same time accuse socialism of depravity, after it was also perverted by their careerism, idleness and sabotage?
          Your article is crafty, it’s not immediately clear what statistics the facts are against, but judging by the colorful description of problems with recreation, the Soviet government is again to blame. Now it’s a different matter, not life, but a fairy tale, thanks to capitalism. It was possible to lie more, the “damned commies” did not have the Internet and cell phones, LCD panels, foreign cars, and much more from the bourgeois paradise.
          Where would we be now if it weren’t for the chatterbox Gorbachev and Judas Yeltsin...

          Great question, though. And I would like to answer it exhaustively and briefly. But I can not. Or I'll try...
          It will be like this: in a peasant country, where 92% of the people were peasants, descendants of yesterday’s slaves, only after three generations would slavery be eliminated in their minds. To 1961! Under the condition of a calm, peaceful life... But was this life? As a result, the most vile features of the patriarchal past were not eliminated, but... received nourishment. During the Second World War, young people who grew up with a new life died in droves, and a lot of people received genetic injuries. Plus external pressure, which Bogdanov warned about in his 1908 book Red Star. Could conditions for the development of high self-awareness and culture be created under these conditions? No! A change of generations is needed so that changes in consciousness lead to changes in society. I look at myself, my daughter and my granddaughter. We are three generations and we are all very different. Different levels of perception of the environment and attitude towards it, although I know a lot more. Hence, by the way, the difficulties in society. “Cats” don’t understand “dogs,” and dogs don’t understand cats. Some love a warm kennel, others love a tall tree. You read the comments. It's obvious. That's it... And I'll write about former communists someday.
        2. +1
          February 11 2024
          can a communist be a former?
          Remembered Yes , as one friend told me that there are no former drug addicts and former homosexuals laughing .
          1. +7
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            There are no former drug addicts and former homosexuals

            Many people confuse the Communist and the opportunist with scabs in his left chest pocket. Being a Communist is not at all the same thing as being a member of the CPSU. It’s enough to remember the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, because such a critical mass of communists gathered there...
            By the way, I have seen former drug addicts more than once, both sexes, they found work, started a family, had children, everything is fine with them now.
            1. 0
              February 11 2024
              everything is fine with them now
              The needle can wait, they say narcologists. As for the communists, there are probably those who are disillusioned with ideology, who were previously truly devoted to it.
              1. +6
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                say narcologists

                I worked closely with them at the same time, so I know for sure that about one percent quit forever, which cannot be said about people who trade all their principles, their faith.

                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                disillusioned with ideology

                It is impossible to be disappointed in ideology, only in the implementers of these ideas. However, some “follow the convoy” temporarily, so that it would be easier, and sometimes they get used to the role so much that for a second they even begin to believe... But does this mean that ideology has become a guiding star, the meaning of life? Not at all. I often remember the words from the t/s “Eternal Call”, where Subbotin said to Polipov: “Or maybe you never had this partisanship in you, you stuck and ride like a fly on a cart”... The same can be said about all the “former” ones. There were and are no “former communists” or “degenerates,” because they, the flies, were never what they are mistakenly believed to be.
                1. 0
                  February 11 2024
                  about one percent quit forever
                  I studied at the medical faculty, and I know that in principle they don’t talk about cure for drug addiction; they use the term “stable remission,” which is not quite the same thing.
                  It is impossible to be disappointed in ideology
                  There were those who were sincerely disillusioned with the National Socialist ideology, even before the 45th.
                  1. +4
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    use the term "sustained remission"

                    Some experts believe that persistent remission for ten or more years can be called a cure.
                    1. -1
                      February 11 2024
                      Some experts believe that
                      Drug addiction is not a disease at all, but a lifestyle, a habit. Experts generally have a lot of opinions, and all of them are correct. Yes .
                  2. +7
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    .
                    It is impossible to be disappointed in ideology
                    There were those who were sincerely disillusioned with the National Socialist ideology, even before the 45th.

                    The topic you touched on is very slippery. There cannot be a short and simple answer.
                    Here you first need to understand what it means to be “disillusioned with ideology.” If some illiterate person was “fooled” about the “absolute superiority of the Aryan race” and forced to burn the books of German philosophers, given a rifle in his hands, and then, having seen the burning of villages along with their inhabitants and concentration camps, he experienced a terrible shock, suddenly “he saw the light”... Can we say at the same time that he abandoned ideology? Hardly. Because he didn’t have any ideology in his head. After all, I mean the ideology that I came to myself after reading a lot of literature, talking with many literate people, and “growing” it in myself. This is almost impossible to “quit”, “get disappointed” or “change/degenerate”. There are a lot of examples of this in history, when people, because of their idea, went through terrible torment and hardship, erected the unthinkable, performed feats...
                2. -3
                  February 12 2024
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  It is impossible to be disappointed in ideology, only in the implementers of these ideas.

                  As much as possible!
                3. -3
                  February 12 2024
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  for they - flies - have never been what they are mistakenly believed to be.

                  18 million "flies". How much.
        3. -4
          February 11 2024
          Where would we be now if it weren’t for the chatterbox Gorbachev and Judas Yeltsin...

          They would have been there. What prevented us from creating an affordable resort paradise along the entire Black Sea coast instead of the stupid Buran with Energy? Nothing.
          Apart from thinking that the people of this country are a resource, such as coal or ammunition, necessary for building a world communist paradise. Yes
          1. +9
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Arzt
            They would have been there. What prevented us from creating an affordable resort paradise along the entire Black Sea coast instead of the stupid Buran with Energy? Nothing.

            Nothing, after more than thirty years with bad boys, Russia is alive due to the Soviet safety margin, space and nuclear superpower. If Yeltsin had gotten the Russia of 1917, with tsarist debts, devastation, technological dependence on the West and a semi-literate population, we would have been left with only “Muscovy”, after reforms and optimizations under the leadership of Western “partners”.
            The communists saved and raised Russia, and it was thanks to the new pole of power, socialism, that they were able to carry out the dynamics of the country's development, independent of all the ghouls of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. The West does not need a strong Russia, neither with a tsar, nor even with henpecked oligarchs, especially with communists.
            That is why the West gave birth to Hitler, making Germany anti-USSR, just as they are now making anti-Russia out of Ukraine, since we still have Soviet potential, dangerous for the Anglo-Saxons and inconvenient for the outright capitulation of their six, who robbed their people and siphoned off resources from the country.
            If you understand everything from the abundance of beer and the availability of foreign cars, why do we need Buran... Here, only, a new, capitalist paradise, not for the whole people, but for a small percentage of them; the rest are not even a resource, but a consumable.
            1. -4
              February 11 2024
              Nothing, after more than thirty years with bad boys, Russia is alive due to the Soviet safety margin, space and nuclear superpower. If Yeltsin had gotten the Russia of 1917, with tsarist debts, devastation, technological dependence on the West and a semi-literate population, we would have been left with only “Muscovy”, after reforms and optimizations under the leadership of Western “partners”.
              The communists saved and raised Russia, and it was thanks to the new pole of power, socialism, that they were able to carry out the dynamics of the country's development, independent of all the ghouls of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. The West does not need a strong Russia, neither with a tsar, nor even with henpecked oligarchs, especially with communists.
              That is why the West gave birth to Hitler, making Germany anti-USSR, just as they are now making anti-Russia out of Ukraine, since we still have Soviet potential, dangerous for the Anglo-Saxons and inconvenient for the outright capitulation of their six, who robbed their people and siphoned off resources from the country.
              If you understand everything from the abundance of beer and the availability of foreign cars, why do we need Buran... Here, only, a new, capitalist paradise, not for the whole people, but for a small percentage of them; the rest are not even a resource, but a consumable.

              I don’t know how they saved it there; I didn’t live in those days. I lived in the USSR and have the opportunity to compare. I was unlucky to be born the son of a party boss, so I didn’t even dream of a trip to Anapa and, especially, to Artek. In 10 years of studying at school, I don’t remember anyone who visited there.
              And now - no problem. Hotels for every taste and budget; for those who are nostalgic, you can rent a corner for 3 kopecks with an hour-long trip to the sea. lol
              1. +3
                February 12 2024
                In our class we went to Artek. 3 times. But for some reason two of them are the same child. Moreover, I only learned about the second time in passing. The girl was, well, not an excellent student after all.
            2. 0
              February 12 2024
              If they had saved a little on tanks and invested in transport, resorts, and just everyday life, they would never have had to bury the USSR. As if the development of construction and transport does not develop the country....
              1. 0
                February 13 2024
                The problem is not just military spending. Remember the quality of Soviet goods in comparison even with those of the GDR or Czech ones. There was a shortage of goods in stores, but they were of poor quality. The better ones quickly sold out. And low quality leads to money being wasted. A good proverb is “Third class is not a waste.” The same thing happened with industrial goods. There were a lot of marriages. The second issue is with innovation. It was difficult for good inventions to make their way into life. Especially in the consumer goods sector. And the USSR gradually lagged behind in technical terms. Maybe only in the military-technical complex it was a little better.
      4. -2
        February 11 2024
        Bravo!
        You found an original way to get out of the situation.
        And the fact that some “wives of political officers” are trying to sting you is in the Soviet spirit.
    2. -5
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ee2100
      Now they also travel, but not nearly as en masse as during the USSR.

      You didn't read the article carefully. For the last two years, at least 1,5 million people have been coming to Anapa. That is the same as in 1979. Although the population of the country of the USSR and the Russian Federation is incomparable in size. In addition, at that time people could not travel abroad en masse on vacation. “Mikhailov Svetlovs” could be counted on one hand, and the price is 1200 rubles. for the cruise it was unaffordable for most. Now, say, until 2022, an average of 4 million people vacationed abroad and their number was growing continuously. Moreover, many did not go not because of a lack of money, but because of the fear that “they would be deceived there” and lack of knowledge of the language. All this data is available on the Internet, so this is not my unfounded statement. Personally, my family: wife, daughter and granddaughter have been to Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Austria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Hungary, and Cyprus since 2012. Somewhere not for long, somewhere three days, somewhere a week, two weeks, but I visited. And my daughter and her husband traveled separately... Before, I couldn’t even dream of this. Although, yes, I vacationed in Bulgaria back in 1968.
      1. +4
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        visited Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Austria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Hungary, Cyprus

        Wow! Why weren’t there any left??

        I haven’t been to any of the countries listed and I don’t even plan to. All countries seem to be Russophobic. Nevertheless, one feels that the author speaks with pride about trips there.
        1. +3
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Stas157
          Nevertheless, one feels that the author speaks with pride about trips there.

          Thanks to this, you have read a lot of interesting materials here on VO, right? Citizens of the Russian Federation have already received two interesting books. What does Russophobia have to do with it? I didn’t go to Russophobes, but to museums. Which, again, you read about here, increasing your intellectual level. And to boast that you can learn something, but don’t want to, is not very good. I personally prefer to find out everything myself and see with my own eyes. But how to understand the world around us, of course, everyone chooses for themselves.
          1. -1
            February 11 2024
            Quote: kalibr
            Thanks to this, you have read a lot of interesting materials here on VO, right?

            It's like that. But now the war is with the collective West. They are using their weapons to kill our guys... Writing about how good it is there is not very correct at this historical moment.
            1. -3
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Stas157
              Writing about how good it is there is not very correct at this historical moment.

              Show me in which article it says “how good it is there”? On the contrary, I have written more than once that having been there, I was convinced from my personal experience that many things here are not worse, but better, than there. And we are getting better every year. But the fact that there are good museums there... what does this have to do with the war?
              1. Msi
                +3
                February 11 2024
                And we get better every year

                laughing Yeah...
                1. +4
                  February 11 2024
                  Hm. Memory is such a thing... I would say unreliable. She remembers everything, but in a very peculiar way - emphasizing the good, what brought pleasure, happiness, convenience, achievements and hides in the dark corners the inconvenient, unsightly, skeletons in the closet... Well, there is also such an interesting and mysterious thing as - "Mandela effect".....
              2. AMG
                0
                February 11 2024
                It just does, even if it doesn’t relate to real events. And to that last, great war, after which almost the entire European part of the country lay in ruins. Somehow this is now gradually forgotten when all sorts of comparisons begin.
            2. -7
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: kalibr
              Thanks to this, you have read a lot of interesting materials here on VO, right?

              It's like that. But now the war is with the collective West. They are using their weapons to kill our guys... Writing about how good it is there is not very correct at this historical moment.

              Stas, one more time. Knowledge belongs to God, not to people. And distributing it among people is a benefit for those who distribute it and those who receive it. Now, for example, these books have come out and they will bring knowledge, joy, and pleasure to someone! By the way, the first one costs only 844 rubles on one of the sites, and in the Labyrinth 1200 rubles. It's better not to go there!
          2. +13
            February 11 2024
            Quote: kalibr
            I personally prefer to find out everything myself and see with my own eyes. But how to understand the world around us, of course, everyone chooses for themselves.

            Who would doubt it... Not everyone is lucky enough to be born into a family where the family doctor went. Some, if they had not been born boys, would have spent their childhood without toys...
            And one more thing... Sometimes the desire to eat prevailed over the desire to see the light. And I also remember the disgusted faces of the “Europeans” who came to the city to study from their “European regions” only because it was here that my father’s and mother’s friends were facilitating their admission...
            For me, traveling with my father on a boat once a year was a cruise into the unknown. And the summer holidays spent in the village with my grandmother were both the best rest and introduction to village work.
            1. 0
              February 11 2024
              Quote: ROSS 42
              home doctor

              Our family doctor visited all the children on our street and did not give any particular preference to anyone. I considered it my duty!
              1. +2
                February 11 2024
                Quote: kalibr
                Our family doctor visited all the children on our street and did not give any particular preference to anyone.

                But our doctors didn’t go everywhere in the winter and the ambulance didn’t come everywhere... These were the living conditions... And in the spring, water flooded all five Zarechnaya...
                And children's clinic No. 7 was on January 9th Street, to which you had to walk more than 2 km...
                1. -2
                  February 11 2024
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  walk more than 2 km...

                  Yuri Vasilievich! Although Penza was a city saved by God, it was still a regional center...
                  1. +4
                    February 11 2024
                    Vyacheslav Olegovich! Kemerovo, although the capital of Kuzbass, was a village in the 50-60s... Solid wooden buildings.
                    Even today there are nooks and crannies where no one wants to set foot... In the dark...
          3. +3
            February 11 2024
            I didn’t go to Russophobes, but to museums.

            By the way, the Anapa archaeological site is very good. True, as with enthusiasts everywhere.
            1. 0
              February 12 2024
              Quote: Arzt
              By the way, the Anapa archaeological site is very good. True, as with enthusiasts everywhere.

              I’ve been there more than once and even wrote an article about it here on VO.
        2. +5
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: kalibr
          visited Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Austria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Hungary, Cyprus

          Wow! Why weren’t there any left??

          I haven’t been to any of the countries listed and I don’t even plan to. All countries seem to be Russophobic. Nevertheless, one feels that the author speaks with pride about trips there.

          That’s why I didn’t stay, because I visited. A week is enough for you to get tired and want to go home. “The West is only good for a week, and then it’s time to burp.”
          1. +3
            February 11 2024
            Quote: tihonmarine
            “The West is only good for a week, and then it’s time to burp.”

            How well you said it! Exactly! Wander through museums, old castles, eat in a good restaurant. But no more. How about living there permanently? Not for any price! And fools, by the way, are the same everywhere, here and there, only there are even more of them, and here they are also our own. It's easier with them...
            1. 0
              February 11 2024
              Quote: kalibr
              How about living there permanently? Not for any price!

              We are not the people who can adapt to the West.
            2. +2
              February 11 2024
              How about living there permanently? Not for any price!
              What, did they really offer?
          2. +5
            February 11 2024
            Quote: tihonmarine
            A week is enough for you to get tired and want to go home.
            An acquaintance who traveled with her sister to Paris in the mid-90s told how she and her sister almost ran to the plane, so they wanted to quickly return to Russia from this dirty and inhospitable city. The expression “see Paris and die” began to play for her with other - darker - colors. My own impression of being in Germany and Holland at about the same time was disappointment and boredom. And this takes into account the fact that the Russian Federation, after the USSR in the 90s, already looked like a path to nowhere.
            1. -1
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              Quote: tihonmarine
              A week is enough for you to get tired and want to go home.
              An acquaintance who traveled with her sister to Paris in the mid-90s told how she and her sister almost ran to the plane, so they wanted to quickly return to Russia from this dirty and inhospitable city. The expression “see Paris and die” began to play for her with other - darker - colors. My own impression of being in Germany and Holland at about the same time was disappointment and boredom. And this takes into account the fact that the Russian Federation, after the USSR in the 90s, already looked like a path to nowhere.

              Well, here I posted photos of blacks sleeping in hammocks on the street in 2019... And I told how they pester tourists and get offended when they are sent..."asked to move away." They understand Russian, however!
              1. 0
                February 11 2024
                Quote: kalibr
                They understand Russian, however!
                There is hope that in 10 years they will begin to introduce Russian as a foreign language in secondary schools in order to understand us better, and not just when they are sent.
                1. 0
                  February 18 2024
                  There is hope that in 10 years they will begin to introduce Russian as a foreign language in secondary schools in order to understand us better, and not just when they are sent.

                  This is possible only under one condition. If on the remaining monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators we change the T-34 to the T-90... They won’t get it any other way. Question: is it necessary?
        3. 0
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Stas157
          I haven’t been to any of the countries listed and I don’t even plan to.
          But in vain. Perhaps, having visited the West, you would begin to feel at least a little better about Russia.
          1. -1
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
            But in vain. Perhaps, having visited the West, you would begin to feel at least a little better about Russia.

            Decided to troll? Don’t confuse the bourgeoisie with your Motherland. Although the Kremlinbots do this on purpose!
            1. +4
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Stas157
              Have you decided to troll? Don’t confuse the bourgeoisie with your Motherland!
              No, I say this sincerely. It is you who confuse the bourgeoisie and the Motherland. The communists left, the bourgeoisie came, you lost your homeland, but I had it and still have it even after the collapse of the USSR.
              1. +1
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                The bourgeoisie have arrived, you lost your homeland, but I had it and still have it.

                What if the Nazis came? Would you serve?? We had a lot of policemen! And I keep thinking how was this possible?
                1. +3
                  February 11 2024
                  Quote: Stas157
                  What if the Nazis came? Would you serve?
                  No. They would be served by those who do not have a homeland, or, if they did have one, it would remain in the memories of the distant past: you have nothing to lose.
                  1. 0
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Stas157
                    What if the Nazis came?
                    I'll get better. By fascists I mean foreign fascists. Our bourgeoisie are still closer, so the change of power did not deprive me of my homeland. I don’t know how I would feel under the Russian fascists, but I think I would like them much less than the Soviet communists and Russian bourgeoisie.
                    1. 0
                      February 11 2024
                      PS Yes, and then only a small part of the Russian Federation would remain.
        4. 0
          February 14 2024
          I wonder why you have to stay right away? Europe is very old. There's a lot of interesting stuff there. Some places are just like a fairy tale. We must understand that we belong to European culture. And we know a lot. And interesting. And there is nothing wrong if people travel for knowledge. You can fry your belly at sea. Or you can just walk along the streets. Having read something sensible beforehand. Or wander into a museum.
          In China, India or anywhere else, it’s not the same for us. We don't know anything there. And we don’t understand their names and inscriptions.
      2. +5
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        You read the article inattentively.

        Sorry, but is it okay that 30-40 years have passed?
        How many went on vacation in 1979 and - minus 30-40 years - in 1939...1949?
        Don’t you think the dynamics are somehow strange for the achievements over the years?
      3. +2
        February 11 2024
        You didn't read the article carefully. For the last two years, at least 1,5 million people have been coming to Anapa. That is the same as in 1979. Although the population of the country of the USSR and the Russian Federation is incomparable in size. In addition, at that time people could not travel abroad en masse on vacation. “Mikhailov Svetlovs” could be counted on one hand, and the price is 1200 rubles. for the cruise it was unaffordable for most. Now, say, until 2022, an average of 4 million people vacationed abroad and their number was growing continuously. Moreover, many did not go not because of a lack of money, but because of the fear that “they would be deceived there” and lack of knowledge of the language. All this data is available on the Internet, so this is not my unfounded statement. Personally, my family: wife, daughter and granddaughter have been to Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Austria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Hungary, and Cyprus since 2012. Somewhere not for long, somewhere three days, somewhere a week, two weeks, but I visited. And my daughter and her husband traveled separately... Before, I couldn’t even dream of this. Although, yes, I vacationed in Bulgaria back in 1968.

        Anapa IMHO is the best place to relax on our Black Sea coast. I traveled all over it, from western Crimea to Abkhazia. Now it’s absolutely gorgeous, I was there last year and I’ll go this year.
        The main advantage is the sandy beach. Just you need to go not to Anapa itself, but to Dzhemete, a sandy strip between Anapa and Vityazevo, there is less algae.

        The wise leadership of the Moscow Region knew where to build the Era technopolis for the “scientific companies”. Science is just buzzing there, especially in the summer season. laughing
      4. +3
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        For the last two years, at least 1,5 million people have been coming to Anapa. That is the same as in 1979. Although the population of the country of the USSR and the Russian Federation is incomparable in size.

        There are more cars in personal ownership.
      5. 0
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        For the last two years, at least 1,5 million people have been coming to Anapa.

        In the 80s, every fifth person in the RSFSR vacationed on the Black Sea coast. And these are only the statistics of official trips, based on vouchers.

        Quote: kalibr
        In addition, at that time people could not travel abroad en masse on vacation.

        In 1985, 4,5 million people left the USSR to go abroad. These figures shatter the myth that “they almost didn’t travel.” Of course, less than now, but taking into account the mass recreation on its own territory, it is quite enough.
        Quote: kalibr
        I couldn’t even dream of this before.

        What's so? Quietly, your fellow teachers visited the GDR and Poland, Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Hungary, visited Finland and Vietnam, China and the DPRK...
        1. -3
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Doccor18
          Quietly, your fellow teachers visited the GDR and Poland, Bulgaria and Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Hungary

          It was possible to go through Sputnik and through Oblsofprof. I don't know about other countries. But I was in Bulgaria in 1968, and after that the above-mentioned countries did not particularly appeal to me. And it was allowed to go to Egypt only if you were 25 years old and change... 28 rubles. And my wife and I always didn’t have enough money for such a trip. We had to choose our south also because it was necessary to improve my daughter’s health. My wife had a negative Rh factor, you know what this can entail. To go somewhere leaving the girl without the sea and hot sand would be great disgrace on our part. And in 1986, she also got caught in some bad rain and started having problems with her thyroid gland. Therefore, there was no talk of any foreign countries at that time.
          1. +4
            February 11 2024
            Quote: kalibr
            But I was in Bulgaria in 1968, and after that the above-mentioned countries did not particularly appeal to me.

            So “they didn’t seduce” and “it was impossible to leave” - these, you see, are different concepts.
        2. -3
          February 11 2024
          In 1985, 4,5 million people left the USSR to go abroad. These figures shatter the myth that “they almost didn’t travel.” Of course, less than now, but taking into account the mass recreation on its own territory, it is quite enough.

          I counted. This is 1,63% of the total population. We almost didn’t go out, that’s right.
        3. +1
          February 11 2024
          In the 80s, every fifth person in the RSFSR vacationed on the Black Sea coast. And these are only the statistics of official trips, based on vouchers.

          Fairy tales. There are official statistics. The record is 1988, 8,3 million came to Crimea. Everyone, not just those with vouchers. A little more on the Black Sea coast. Even if it’s 25 million, that’s 10% of the population. Mainly, of course, Moscow and St. Petersburg, but not every 5th RSFSR.
    3. +11
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ee2100
      Let's forget about the fact that he was a member of the CPSU

      A werewolf with a party card.

      I have never heard Shpakovsky Chubais criticize such werewolves and traitors to the communists.
      1. +14
        February 11 2024
        I have never heard Shpakovsky criticize Chubais
        Werewolves, werewolves, don't touch
      2. -11
        February 11 2024
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: ee2100
        Let's forget about the fact that he was a member of the CPSU

        A werewolf with a party card.

        I have never heard Shpakovsky Chubais criticize such werewolves and traitors to the communists.

        Why don’t communists drink, don’t eat, don’t live off their salaries? They never fed on the Holy Spirit. A member of the RSDLP, and then the RCP (b), Larisa Reisner, for example, after the revolution, took a champagne bath, dressed in expensive furs and kept a servant. And when her party comrades blamed her for her immodesty, she answered: “Didn’t we make the revolution for ourselves?”
        1. +9
          February 11 2024
          Quote: kalibr
          Larisa Reisner, for example, after the revolution, took a champagne bath, dressed in expensive furs and kept a servant.

          In order to have the full effect of the luxury that Larisa Reisner enjoyed, list: how many factories, planes, yachts and foreign real estate did she have (like today’s “patriots”)? By the way, I just looked at Reisner’s biography. I didn't see anything like that. Can you give me a link?
          1. -7
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Stas157
            Can you give a link?

            There were articles about this in the magazine RODINA and Secrets of the 20th Century. But I won’t say in what numbers and for what years. I didn't think I would need this. But the material seemed so interesting to me that I inserted it into my novel “Three from Ensk.” And since it is there, it means the source is solid. You understand that there can always be an idiot who can sue for insulting his “favorite revolutionary.” So the source had to be official. As for the factories, it is clear that they could not exist. But we must compare not with the factories and yachts of today's oligarchs, but with the cloth skirt of N.K. Krupskaya.
            1. +11
              February 11 2024
              Quote: kalibr
              in the magazine RODINA

              The magazine appeared in 1989 in the wake of perestroika... Then they poured dirt from all pots onto the USSR and Solzhenitsyn was held in high esteem.

              Quote: kalibr
              But we must compare not with the factories and yachts of today's oligarchs, but with the cloth skirt of N.K. Krupskaya.

              You can compare it with Krupskaya! How do the first ladies live in Russia now? Nadezhda Konstantinovna never dreamed of such luxury! But her contribution to the good of the country was greater than all of them combined.
              1. 0
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Stas157
                The magazine appeared in 1989 in the wake of perestroika... Then they poured dirt from all pots onto the USSR and Solzhenitsyn was held in high esteem.

                Stas! Don't write about what you don't know. "Rodina" - magazine of the Higher Attestation Commission. It has very strict requirements for articles. We need links to archival documents. There is a staff of reviewers... Should I write to you what the Higher Attestation Commission is and what requirements apply to the Higher Attestation Commission's publications?
                1. +8
                  February 11 2024
                  "Stas! Don't write about what you don't know. Rodina - VAK magazine"
                  I see you also know a little. homeland (modern), was-
                  From 1989 to 1990 - printed edition of the newspaper Pravda.
                  From 1990 to 1991 - publication of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR and the Government of the RSFSR.
                  From 1992 to 1993 - publication of the Supreme Council of Russia and the Government of Russia.
                  In 1993, the magazine was published by the labor collective.
                  Since 1993, the founders of the magazine are the Government of the Russian Federation and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. He had a sideways attitude towards VAC. I read this magazine at one time, sometimes I came across interesting articles, historical and journalism, there were very high-quality photographs. If my sclerosis serves me right, somewhere in the depths of the garage a dozen copies still rest
                  1. -5
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: ZloyKot
                    "Stas! Don't write about what you don't know. Rodina - VAK magazine"
                    I see you also know a little. homeland (modern), was-
                    From 1989 to 1990 - printed edition of the newspaper Pravda.
                    From 1990 to 1991 - publication of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR and the Government of the RSFSR.
                    From 1992 to 1993 - publication of the Supreme Council of Russia and the Government of Russia.
                    In 1993, the magazine was published by the labor collective.
                    Since 1993, the founders of the magazine are the Government of the Russian Federation and the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. He had a sideways attitude towards VAC. I read this magazine at one time, sometimes I came across interesting articles, historical and journalism, there were very high-quality photographs. If my sclerosis serves me right, somewhere in the depths of the garage a dozen copies still rest

                    That’s all true, but for a very long time this journal has been one of the journals of the Higher Attestation Commission and publications in it meet the most stringent requirements of the Higher Attestation Commission.
                    1. +6
                      February 11 2024
                      “That’s all true, but for a very long time this magazine has been one of the journals of the Higher Attestation Commission and the public”
                      it was never a vac magazine! learn materiel laughing
                      1. -4
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: ZloyKot
                        it was never a vac magazine! learn materiel

                        Open the list of VAK journals and look...
                      2. +5
                        February 11 2024
                        "Open the list of VAK journals and look..."
                        does such a list exist? and you claim that it was Vac who founded, funded and reviewed this journal?
                      3. -4
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: ZloyKot
                        does such a list exist?

                        Yes, and it is known to all candidates and doctors of science, and applicants. I didn’t say that it was established by the Higher Attestation Commission. It’s just that his publications are accepted by the Higher Attestation Commission as printed works for the dissertation defense. And it is on the list of journals that are accepted by the Higher Attestation Commission for protection. The articles are reviewed not by VA specialists, that would be ridiculous, but by the magazine’s staff. And fulfilling their requirements is quite difficult. Is it more reputable than the journal “Questions of History”...
                      4. -3
                        February 11 2024
                        I just opened this list. Here it is: Rodina 0235-7089 07.00.00 Historical sciences and archeology. It's not my fault that you don't know how to use the Internet.
                      5. +4
                        February 11 2024
                        “Yes, and it is known to all candidates and doctors of sciences, and applicants. I did not say that the Higher Attestation Commission established it.”
                        Well, bring him, it’s not difficult. yes, and you said that Rodina is a VAC magazine. How can this statement be understood differently?
                        “It’s just that his publications are accepted by the Higher Attestation Commission as printed works for dissertation defense.”
                        As far as I remember, any publications in the press were accepted in this capacity, especially for candidates of all kinds of sciences laughing .
                        homeland is no exception here
                      6. -3
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: ZloyKot
                        As far as I remember, any publications in the press were accepted in this capacity, especially for candidates of all kinds of sciences.
                        homeland is no exception here

                        The list is ABOVE, right above your comment. And ANY publications were not accepted even in 1985-1988. They could be inserted, but then at least two articles were required in journals from the Higher Attestation Commission list. And they were indicated in dissertations. If you don't believe me, ask Eduard Vashchenko. He defended himself on history. There are many of his articles on VO.
              2. +1
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Stas157
                You can compare it with Krupskaya!

                So let's compare with Krupskaya, and not with the current first ladies. Comparability of facts must be correct, primarily in terms of time. This is the basis of historical research, Stas.
                1. +4
                  February 11 2024
                  Quote: kalibr
                  So let's compare with Krupskaya, and not with the current first ladies. Comparability of facts must be correct

                  I think it is quite correct to compare the first lady with the first ladies? Who else can you compare her with!

                  Quote: kalibr
                  Comparability of facts must be correct, primarily in terms of time.

                  We're not late for anything! Why do you think that it is impossible to compare rulers and elites who lived at different times?
                  Without comparing, we will not know which king was bad and which was good. After all, they all lived at different times!
                  1. -4
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Stas157
                    We're not late for anything!

                    According to the time of the scene, Stas. Something I see is that I have to do some educational work here... Better go to the library, Stas, look at the Rodina magazines, order back issues. Today is just Sunday, it is quite possible to do this. But I’m tired of explaining banal truths to you, sorry.
              3. -1
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Stas157
                in 1989, in the wake of perestroika... Then they poured dirt on the USSR from all pots
                Why did the CPSU stand aside? No, all this dirt poured through her in the center and locally. Although, many ordinary and not very communists were shocked by this then. Today you are continuing this dirty business against the Russian Federation. You destroy the “world of violence” with your loud lies, you won’t calm down
                1. 0
                  February 12 2024
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  Today you continue this dirty business against the Russian Federation. You destroy the “world of violence” with your loud lies, you won’t calm down

                  This only happens in your inflamed mind. Look at your rating. He speaks eloquently about your adequacy.
            2. +5
              February 11 2024
              But the material seemed so interesting to me that I inserted it into my novel “Three from Ensk.” And since it is there, it means the source is solid.
              laughing laughing laughing
              1. +4
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Aviator_
                But the material seemed so interesting to me that I inserted it into my novel “Three from Ensk.” And since it is there, it means the source is solid.
                laughing laughing laughing

                Greetings Sergey hi For so many years, at least one of the comrades would boast that he read it! Nobody! For example, when I came to the site, I read 2 books by the author --- INDIANS and CRUSADS. I never saw a message that anyone else had read anything. Either on paper or online. Books about Indians and Crusaders are inexpensive; you can still buy them on some websites for 200 rubles. But another edition ---- 5-6 -7 years ago (I don’t remember exactly) was offered for some thousands ~~ 20 -40 recourse
                1. +3
                  February 11 2024
                  Hello, Dmitry! The author himself writes that the main thing for him is to receive a fee. He got it. It is unlikely that his books had an additional circulation.
                  1. +3
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Hello, Dmitry! The author himself writes that the main thing for him is to receive a fee. He got it. It is unlikely that his books had an additional circulation.

                    I could go see how it is now, but I don’t have time for those sites recourse I've been busy lately and haven't visited VO request
                    1. +2
                      February 11 2024
                      A lot of work? My spring semester begins next week, and I’ll have to again drill into the distance learning victims electricity and magnetism and quantum mechanics (1st and 2nd courses, respectively). Well, the main job is also fun.
                      1. +2
                        February 11 2024
                        Not that much recourse But it’s cold again, and there was a promise of a whole month of +3°C-3°C, everything went wrong....
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ...... again to hammer into the victims of remote control electricity and magnetism and quantum mechanics ....

                        I envy your jellies with white envy. laughing where are my 18?
                        I missed various good articles....it's a pity. I'll try to read it today hi
                      2. +1
                        February 11 2024
                        In each group (15-18 organisms) there are 2-3 people who are interested in this. Surprisingly, 1-2 of them are girls.
                  2. -2
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    It is unlikely that his books had an additional circulation.

                    Paradoxical Tanks alone were published three times. “We’ll Die Near Moscow” - two, and the book “For Those Who Love to Craft” three times, 100 thousand and 150 thousand copies each. "Knights of the Middle Ages", however, there is only one. But the circulation for 1998 was 70 thousand. And some textbook on advertising was exactly three times. I don't remember its name. It’s about sampling... It’s all there on the Internet, posted, and at the end, on the very last page, the circulation numbers and publication numbers are indicated. So there’s no need to guess. You open the Internet and look... But if you’re busy, don’t write then. Otherwise it turns out stupid. Somehow childish...
            3. +1
              February 11 2024
              Quote: kalibr
              I inserted it into my novel "Three from Ensk". And since it is there, it means the source is solid.
              laughing
              I also read “top secret” in the newspaper that Trotsky and Lenin were gay and the same thing with each other.
              1. -4
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                I also read “top secret” in the newspaper that Trotsky and Lenin were gay and the same thing with each other.

                The Rodina magazine and the Top Secret newspaper are two different things. You can refer to the first one. The second one is not possible.
            4. 0
              February 12 2024
              And since it is there, it means the source is solid.

              Manipulation based on the logical fallacy "appeal to authority"
              But I won’t say in what numbers and for what years.

              It won’t be like in one of the previous conversations, when I checked your link to your own book and it turned out that there was no confirmation of your words?
              1. -1
                February 12 2024
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                It won’t be like in one of the previous conversations, when I checked your link to your own book and it turned out that there was no confirmation of your words?

                Timur, I really don’t give a damn about all your checks. I wrote a serious novel, not for fools, and I tried to insert as much accessible and interesting materials as possible, including from the Motherland. For example, there is something about the Jew Pukhovich, who is also from the Motherland. But the trouble is that in 2005 she did not post articles on the Internet. And I wrote the novel in 2005. It’s clear that I forgot where I got what from, and these magazines are already in storage. In general, Timur, there is no point in deceiving the mentally poor, to whom I include a certain part of the local audience. This is beneath my dignity. It's like hitting a child...
          2. +7
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Stas157
            By the way, I just looked at Reisner’s biography.

            Her surname is appropriate, they thought that the revolution would allow them to rob Russia, but Comrade Stalin knew this and rolled it into asphalt.
        2. +10
          February 11 2024
          For some reason, I immediately remembered one of the videos from 2014 in Crimea, when the owners of private cafes and hotels began to transfer to Russian legislation. They declared, “We didn’t support the Crimean spring to pay taxes.” Yes
      3. -5
        February 11 2024
        Quote: Stas157
        Shpakovsky Chubais criticized similar werewolves and traitors to the communists.

        Would that make them feel worse? And... on what basis would I write about him? I didn’t work for him, I don’t know him personally. Would you like me to repeat someone else's articles? Did you rewrite them using anti-plagiarism to make them new? And where would I put them then? Which book? That is, it is unproductive work. That is, unprofitable in all respects. Write at least one article, then you will know that this is not an easy task at all. And if so, then the journalist should strive for maximum demand for his materials.
    4. 0
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ee2100
      who are S. Shishkin and Knell Wardenheart, maybe they are some kind of authorities for the author.

      These are the readers of our site. They left their comments on it. And I brought them up because I completely agree with them. And why rewrite? But if you want to see your nickname and your words, which I also agree with, you will certainly see them. Am I against it? And you are unlikely to object? I completely agree with this phrase: “And about the fact that it was difficult to buy tickets. Yes, that happened.” I would insert it into the next article about the 1980 holiday.
    5. +4
      February 11 2024
      But the point is, under Soviet rule, almost anyone could afford to relax on the seashore. So the people went to the seas.
      Now they also travel, but not nearly as en masse as during the USSR.

      Could. The question is - how? Like in Sportloto-82, in the chicken coop?

      At the same time, the party bosses really valued themselves.
      I still remember the shock of the student fraternity at the canteen in the building of the former methodological center for party workers, which was suddenly opened to all mortals in 1991. Soft armchairs, porcelain dishes, 6 types of first courses only with the obligatory milk... All this with the extreme politeness of the staff and ridiculous prices.
      but the music did not play for long. First, we replaced the dishes with metal Zonovsk bowls... laughing
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. +2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: Arzt
        suddenly opened to all mortals in 1991.

        In those years, people were allowed into the Moscow Kremlin for free.
        1. +2
          February 11 2024
          In those years, people were allowed into the Moscow Kremlin for free.

          Yes, Khrushchev allowed it in 1955. But not for free, but for 3 rubles, after denomination - 30 kopecks.
          1. +2
            February 11 2024
            In 1992 I was there absolutely free.
    6. +1
      February 12 2024
      Nowadays the purchasing power of people on average is much higher; per person there is twice as much m2 of housing; many times greater variety of goods.
    7. +1
      February 15 2024
      And about the fact that it was difficult to buy tickets. Yes, it happened. Now everything is a little simpler. But the point is, under Soviet rule, almost anyone could afford to relax on the seashore. So the people went to the seas.
      In 1979, we went to the railway for 3 days. box office to buy tickets to Anapa. Roundtrip! And they bought it. The ticket office on Bulak opened at 8, closed for lunch at 12. While my mother was at work, I stood in her place. And the funny thing is that they bought it, and many of them needed 4 seats in front of me, but I only had 2 and they pushed me through almost halfway through the line. Mother comes during lunch, and I stand with tickets and eat eshpechmyak. Happy as an elephant. Therefore, I don’t understand how to go on vacation and not take a return ticket?! Even then, as a schoolboy, I understood this. But the author is apparently smarter. hi
  2. +15
    February 11 2024
    There was a similar queue for train tickets under the bourgeoisie after the USSR, even to the point of purchasing it on the Internet. That is, there is no difference, except for the price raised to the ceiling.

    And train tickets to Crimea are now completely sold out for the entire summer. It is impossible to buy in summer! And they all blame the USSR. They say that then there was a terrible shortage, but now, they say, there is none... Yes, at least you could move around there for pennies!
    1. +2
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Stas157
      . Yes, at least you could get around there for pennies!

      And accommodation with meals too. Only if on a voucher. My parents vacationed in a sanatorium in Crimea, in my opinion, for 170 rubles, that’s how much the ticket cost. Money is just funny
      1. -4
        February 11 2024
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        My parents vacationed in a sanatorium in Crimea, in my opinion, for 170 rubles, that’s how much the ticket cost.

        I wouldn’t refuse it either, but for rural teachers in 1977-1980. (at least to those I knew and in my village, where my wife and I worked) they didn’t give it to anyone. But the prices for wild holidays were already different. So in 1981, my daughter and I vacationed in Gurzuf. Ten days - 500 rub. We barely made it, but it was the sea... And in 1982 it was the same - 550 rubles.
        1. +15
          February 11 2024
          Quote: kalibr
          So in 1981, my daughter and I vacationed in Gurzuf. Ten days - 500 rub. We barely made it

          Something expensive. Didn't you come out of the restaurants? A trip to a sanatorium would be cheaper! What did you spend it on? It cost 5 rubles a day for a savage to rent a room - 50 rubles for ten days. Food is cheap in canteens, and so is travel.
          1. -1
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Stas157
            Didn't you come out of the restaurants?

            A room for three is already 15 rubles + travel (tickets) + meals. There was no time for restaurants. And buy a ticket... Ha! But there were none! In Oblsovprof everything was for workers and collective farmers. You think I didn't try. I wasn’t stupid... but I couldn’t do it.
          2. +3
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Stas157
            It cost 5 rubles a day for a savage to rent a room - 50 rubles for ten days.

            In Gandiadi and Leselidze, in the summer of 1982 I rented a room for 2 rubles, and in the fall I paid two rubles for two meals a day from an Armenian woman. The restaurant cost 10 rubles for me alone. 500 rubles per month. Well, and also 500 rubles “for excesses”.
            1. -3
              February 11 2024
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Well and more

              Well, there were three of us... So 500 rubles. It was enough for us. But in Crimea in Gurzuf then prices were higher than in Gandiadi.
              1. +2
                February 11 2024
                Quote: kalibr
                So 500 rub. it was enough for us.

                For three people there are 500 rudders, this is normal. Those who were poorer came in September, at the end of the “velvet season”, it was cheaper
                1. -4
                  February 11 2024
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  at the end of the “velvet season”, it was cheaper

                  We had a “working season” from September 1 to July 5.
        2. +10
          February 11 2024
          This is HOW you had to rest in order to make 10 in 500 days!!! rubles???
          Either a lie, or a “real holiday” with gypsies and bears
      2. +2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        My parents vacationed in a sanatorium in Crimea, in my opinion, for 170 rubles, that’s how much the ticket cost. Money is just funny

        And they gave it to me for free.
    2. -4
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Stas157
      And train tickets to Crimea are now sold out for the entire summer

      I don’t know about Crimea. But how can they be sold out if sales open 90 days before the date you need? And you can always get tickets. We've been traveling to the South since 2021.
      1. +3
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        And you can always get tickets.

        In the summer it was impossible to buy train tickets to Crimea. Have you tried this? I tried. It was sold out for the whole summer.
        1. -3
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Stas157
          In the summer it was impossible to buy train tickets to Crimea. Have you tried this? I tried. It was sold out for the whole summer.

          I can’t say anything to this, Stas. But I never had any problems towards the Krasnodar Territory.
    3. +7
      February 11 2024
      There was a similar queue for train tickets under the bourgeoisie
      When I was already under the bourgeoisie, I lived in St. Petersburg for a long time, worked in the police, I had a vacation in the summer, I bought tickets home to the Taman Peninsula a month in advance. At the military ticket office, with an ID.
      1. -2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: parusnik
        At the military treasury, with identification.

        + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
        1. +7
          February 11 2024
          For a month and in the military, not in the ordinary one. You give me pluses, for something else, I traveled for free on public transport, as in the USSR, you can’t run into the salary of a police officer on public transport in the new bright times. Moreover, according to in the course of their work, after the divorce, they got to the place on their own. Only those who were in the city court, I emphasize in the city court, not in the regional or in the military, were delivered by special transport. By the way, regarding delivery, and now the boys get there in the same way, with their own on the move. They don’t deliver them to district courts.
    4. +4
      February 11 2024
      There are tickets to Crimea, there were tickets last year, and you could buy them in the summer. Even officially, local authorities spoke about the failure of the holiday season. Last year I was in Sudak at the beginning of September. In our sanatorium, several buildings were completely empty.
      1. 0
        February 11 2024
        Quote: Sergey Valov
        There are tickets to Crimea, there were tickets last year, and you could buy them in the summer.

        For two summers in a row, I tried to get train tickets to Crimea. And he never took it.

        Moreover, there were a lot of articles and evidence about the shortage of tickets to Crimea.
        Tickets sell out as soon as sales open

        https://www.tourdom.ru/news/uekhat-vsey-semey-v-krym-na-poezde-na-kakie-daty-est-mesta.html
        Why are there no tickets to Crimea?

        https://dzen.ru/a/Yo-TWRkShCfB-l7Q
        1. +4
          February 11 2024
          Apparently we live in different countries and at different times. I didn't have any problems.
          1. +2
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Sergey Valov
            Apparently we live in different countries and at different times.

            I have the same feeling!
        2. +2
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Stas157
          For two summers in a row, I tried to get train tickets to Crimea. And he never took it.

          From Krasnodar you can go to Crimea at any time by bus or minibus at an affordable price. In the region, taxi drivers now recruit several clients for cars (up to a full car) - it’s also not that expensive.
          1. +1
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Vasia
            From Krasnodar you can go to Crimea at any time by bus or minibus at an affordable price.

            No no. I passed. I don’t want to run around with suitcases, look for buses and taxis in an unfamiliar city, and then be stuck there for another six or seven hours (Sevastopol). What a pleasure!

            Whatever one may say, it turns out cheaper and more comfortable by plane to foreign resorts! Which is what I do every year. I wanted to go to Crimea (twice). It didn't work out! And during the Soviet era, we regularly flew there with our parents.
            1. 0
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Stas157
              Whatever one may say, it turns out cheaper and more comfortable by plane to foreign resorts! That's what I do every year

              This is all you need to know about the local “patriot of Russia”.
              1. 0
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Repellent
                This is all you need to know about the local “patriot of Russia”.

                Golovan, I still drive a foreign car, just think!

                Why don’t you go abroad on principle, even on vacation at sea? I didn't know you were so closed-minded! I wouldn’t be surprised if for you squabbles on the forum are the best rest for your soul. A proven fact (judging by your Bans and numerous reincarnations)!
                1. 0
                  February 11 2024
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Golovan, I still drive a foreign car, just think

                  Well, the enemy - definitely laughing

                  What I’m saying is that you are a patriot, Stasik, only here and in words. But in reality - an ordinary opportunist, well, like Shpakovsky wink

                  Quote: Stas157
                  What are you doing

                  What about you? What do you mean? In line, pikes, in line! laughing

                  Quote: Stas157
                  Do you generally not travel abroad, even for a holiday at sea?

                  Abroad, Stasik - written separately. The only thing worse is “to go abroad”, just think, I’ve already seen this laughing

                  No, I'm not leaving. The last time I vacationed abroad was in 2007. But before that I had a lot of work to do - wow... you never even dreamed of it. Buddies Yes
            2. +4
              February 11 2024
              by plane to foreign resorts!
              Go to a NATO country on a plane built by an adversary?
              1. -1
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Go to a NATO country on a plane built by an adversary?

                Flew in 2011 on a Tu-204. I liked it better this way than on cramped Boeings and Airbuses.
                1. -1
                  February 11 2024
                  Flew in 2011 on Tu-204
                  And where was such a rarity going? I like Boeing better - they even sound more serious.
    5. +3
      February 11 2024
      Yes, at least you could get around there for pennies!
      Absolutely right. There was such a unique case in the mid-70s, during my student years. My friend Vovka Butakov got home for the summer holidays to Novy Svet, near Sudak, for 5 kopecks, and he paid it at the final stage of the route, on bus No. 1 (Dachnoye-Uyutnoye). He managed to travel on the train for free, the appearance of a poor student contributed to this.
  3. +8
    February 11 2024
    Are you talking about tickets?
    I'll tell you two cases from my life. In 1984 we had to go south. And I headed to Moscow, deciding that I would definitely leave from there. And he left. Yes, I stood in line. Yes, I sat at the station for almost a day. However, in order not to sit, I went to a randomly chosen cinema. But I didn’t know Moscow at all.
    So I left without any problems. The train was extra, but it delivered as expected. Return back in the evening. Obviously, since it was the month of June, tickets to the north were free. In addition, I found out that it is not necessary to go through Moscow. Sochi-Vorkuta runs through my region.
    Second case. Late 80s. I flew often then. Flight Murmansk-Krasnodar, season again. And again we flew away on the extra one. A cargo plane of the kind that transport paratroopers. The passengers sat on the sides and flew on. Several men from the sailors settled down on the transport hatch, took out a bottle and quietly, without making any noise, celebrated their flight on vacation.
  4. +13
    February 11 2024
    One thing I don’t understand is that if articles of this kind receive more negative responses, why continue to write with the tenacity of a maniac? Or, as they say, have you bitten the bit?
    1. -5
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      One thing I don’t understand is that if articles of this kind receive more negative responses, why continue to write with the tenacity of a maniac? Or, as they say, have you bitten the bit?

      Alexei! Well, you can’t be so simple-minded. Firstly, if negative responses scare you so much, I’ll tell you that my rating, as an indicator of + and - responses, despite them, is constantly growing! Yes, at first it drops a little, but then it grows again. Secondly, you need to know and understand that our people are not used to giving thanks, but are very inclined to criticize. And those who criticize put -, but... then those who LIKE these materials come. And there are many more of them! And they put +. But they don’t write responses, so as not to engage in stupid polemics with whom it’s clear. And lastly, Alexey, in online journalism it is not the “bits” that matter, but only the number of clicks plays a role. Because... advertising is sold “per click”. The more there are, the higher the investment attractiveness of the site. A + they or - does not play any role. Is it clear, Alexey? I have a textbook for universities “Online journalism and online advertising” - all this is described there in great detail. And it is freely available. You can find and read. It is not dryly written, but simple, clear and interesting.
    2. +9
      February 11 2024
      One thing I don’t understand is that if articles of this kind receive more negative responses, why continue to write with the tenacity of a maniac? Or, as they say, have you bitten the bit?

      So they pay money for it.. so he scribbles.. he found his way, so to speak..
      1. +7
        February 11 2024
        So they pay for normal money, or is it easier to throw shit at them, but the money doesn’t smell? So who is the person who writes them? Although he himself gave the answer in the comment above. It is about these people that they say “no flag, no homeland, nothing sacred.” The main thing is money and it doesn’t matter who and how to write about. So it turns out that the person is like in the song at this link https://rus.hitmotop.com/song/48206844#
        1. +4
          February 11 2024
          So they pay for normal money, or is it easier to throw shit at them, but the money doesn’t smell? So who is the person who writes them? Although he himself gave the answer in the comment above. It is about these people that they say “no flag, no homeland, nothing sacred”
          1. -5
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Svarog
            nothing holy

            Not true. We believe in God, and the rest is cash!
        2. +9
          February 11 2024
          So they pay for normal money, or is it easier to throw shit at them, but the money doesn’t smell? So who is the person who writes them? Although he himself gave the answer in the comment above. It is about these people that they say “no flag, no homeland, nothing sacred”
          [Quote] [/ quote]
          All that remains is to sympathize with Shpakovsky.. what a terrible youth he had.. In general, it is human nature to leave all the good things in memory.. and forget the bad.. especially such little things.. this is how the normal psyche works.. for Shpakovsky this mechanism is broken.. this is where it is needed look for a problem.. in his youth.. someone apparently caused Shpakovsky trauma.. which he brought with him and is pouring out..
          1. 0
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Svarog
            at Shpakovskoye this mechanism is broken..

            On the contrary, Vladimir. Professionally honed to perfection. What about the injury? I do not like being fooled. 10 years of professional activity and all in vain? Unpleasant. But on the other hand, I learned a lot of things that I would never have known. Worked in the party archives, with unique documents. And my youth was excellent. I just remember both the good and the bad well. But the bad in this case is more important, for some reason the USSR ended. So we need to look at why so that it doesn’t happen again. I think everything is very logical?
            1. +8
              February 11 2024
              I do not like being fooled.

              Who deceived you? The consignment?
              But the bad in this case is more important, for some reason the USSR ended. So we need to look at why so that it doesn’t happen again.

              So the USSR ended...how will it happen again?
              I have a different view, everything can be learned in comparison, of course.. Let's look at the pros and cons in comparison with today's Russia.. write an objective article and start with the pros... only honestly.. and then your article will be logical. When, time after time, it’s just slop.. it offends everyone.. you insult many people by throwing mud at the past.. The great past.. modern Russia is not even close to the greatness of the USSR.. Analyze this topic objectively and impartially and perhaps you yourself will be surprised, how much good there was then and how it is missing now.. I approach this issue objectively and believe that yes.. there were also negative aspects and quite a few, but the task, if the agenda in the head is positive, is to take all the best from the past and adapt in the present.. Even if only in our heads for now.. but thought gives birth to action, and action forms a new reality..
              1. -3
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Svarog
                I approach this issue objectively and believe that yes... there were also negative moments, and quite a few, but the task, if the agenda in your head is positive, is to take all the best from the past and adapt it in the present..

                So you write objectively. And I’ll see how much dirt they’ll throw at you.
                1. +9
                  February 11 2024
                  So you write objectively. And I’ll see how much dirt they’ll throw at you.

                  So this is people’s response to injustice, and I suggest you, in addition to the dirt on the USSR, write about the positive... and then the picture will be more objective..
                  Now it looks like the notes of an offended child... you are an adult, already of advanced years... everything cannot be bad in a state that had everything good with demographics, where there was the best education in the world, where there was the best scientific school, where there were real achievements and discoveries .. where, in the end, children walked in the courtyards, without parental supervision and the doors were not locked.. Well, or now.. they shoot in schools almost every month, people are in credit bondage, absolutely powerless.. the country is dying out.. there is no positive agenda or even a hint that something will change for the better.. old people are looking for expired items in garbage dumps.. the quality of products is such that oncology is “blooming”.. people are imprisoned for their opinions, and now property will be take away.. the industry is busy sticking nameplates on Chinese cars.. this can be listed endlessly..
                  1. -5
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Svarog
                    where was the best education in the world

                    There is no need to make such a difference between a school teacher and a higher education worker with 32 years of experience.
                    1. +2
                      February 11 2024
                      where was the best education in the world

                      There is no need to make such a difference between a school teacher and a higher education worker with 32 years of experience.

                      So the fact that the USSR had the best education was confirmed by the “West”, which, in some places, and in some places completely adopted and adapted Soviet education.. also a fact confirmed by scientific discoveries and a whole galaxy of names that are known all over the world. .Do you know a lot of great discoveries or world-famous Russian scientists?
                      And you probably confuse the education system with the individual within the system, where your personality was not noticed (obviously) and your ambitions were not realized... in other words, you were pushed... which, in my opinion, was done correctly..
                      1. -2
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Svarog
                        your personality was not noticed (obviously) and your ambitions were not realized... in other words, you were pushed... which in my opinion they did right..

                        Don't write nonsense. The children of the entire Union grew up on my books on children's creativity from 1987 to 91 and beyond. There is no SUT or children's library where they do not exist. They were published in copies of hundreds of thousands and sold out like hot cakes. Where can we go higher? Some books are still in libraries, worn to holes. But great discoveries and an average level of education are two different things. Lomonosov was also there and what was the level in his time? Focusing on individual geniuses is stupid. And about “pushed” and “obviously” stupid... “Put on your glasses”... Those who are pushed are not sent to graduate school in the history of the CPSU, the level of secrecy there is very high. Partarchives are the holy of holies. On the contrary, this is a sign of trust, and not “pushed”...
                      2. 0
                        February 11 2024
                        Do not write nonsense.
                        Focusing on individual geniuses is stupid.
                        The children of the entire Union grew up on my books on children's creativity from 1987 to 91 and beyond.

                        You have extremely inflated self-esteem, and I don’t see evidence or grounds for such a high opinion of yourself, you absolutely do not notice the facts and sound arguments and move away from understandable and well-founded questions/arguments...into defensiveness, hiding behind some achievements known to you alone ..
                        But great discoveries and an average level of education are two different things. Lomonosov was also there and what was the level in his time? Focusing on individual geniuses is stupid.

                        There are statistics... and you can easily see the fallacy of your judgments if you compare how many geniuses the USSR produced and how many tsarist Russia... and post-Soviet Russia... taken together.. It is logical to ask the question, why did the USSR produce so many great scientific figures? When everything was so bad...
                      3. -5
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Svarog
                        everything was so bad.

                        Not all. Not at all. There was quite a lot of good stuff. But if EVERYTHING was so good, why did he cease to exist?
                      4. 0
                        February 11 2024
                        Not all. Not at all. There was quite a lot of good stuff.

                        Finally, a constructive dialogue has begun... Actually, I suggest you write an article about the good that happened in the USSR... and the bad... to draw from this a conclusion what you would take from the USSR into the future and what you would leave forever in the past.. This requires really good thinking.. I would like, purely for myself, to finally form in my head the image of the state that a person should strive for.. I have my own conclusions, but I like to hear different opinions and debate.. When the dialogue is constructive, interesting ideas are often born.
                        But if EVERYTHING was so good, why did he cease to exist?

                        In my opinion, because of human vices.. greed, envy.. and others.. that’s the point.. it is necessary to define some kind of development concept, where the best from the past can be taken into the future.. Until now, the state lives without an idea.. More precisely, she is obscene and ugly..
                      5. +1
                        February 11 2024
                        because of human vices... greed, envy... and others
                        And also because of the queues when bluebirds (chickens) were thrown out Yes .
                      6. +1
                        February 11 2024
                        because of human vices... greed, envy... and others
                        And also because of the queues when blue birds (chickens) were thrown out yes

                        It was already at sunset..and according to many sources, the shortage was often artificial.. But if we compare it with today..then things are even worse..I won’t talk about the quality of today’s poultry..it’s already clear..but here regarding food security.. there’s a problem here.. I don’t know why the head of state is deceiving.. either out of ignorance or deliberately.. but the reason for the rise in price of eggs is not at all the sharply increased demand.. but because the royal egg is almost all from abroad..(we buy from the enemy) we have only one enterprise near Moscow which has recently started producing royal eggs.. And due to the sanctions, purchasing eggs has become problematic.. no, they are still selling it to us.. but logistics have become much more expensive because they have to transport now we have to go through third countries.. So if the West decides not to sell eggs tomorrow... then we won’t see chicken and eggs at all..
                      7. +1
                        February 11 2024
                        It was already sunset
                        I personally learned in a conversation that when my mother was trying to “get” the Yugoslav wall, my mother-in-law in France changed the car every 3-5 years. And my father-in-law, an engineer, flew not to Anapa, but to Rio. So the standard of living was not comparable.
                        due to sanctions, purchasing eggs has become problematic

                        Don’t China and Belarus have their own chicken caviar? Chinese chicken breeds generally move like a machine gun.
                      8. 0
                        February 11 2024
                        So the standard of living was not comparable.

                        Incomparable with the West? So it is still incomparable.. and then, there was something to work on.. the fact that a person changed jeans and cars more often is not an indicator of happiness at all.. Confidence in the future, guarantees of your rights.. is a big indicator.. Perhaps someone in France and changed cars, and someone closed their mortgage all their lives... and someone slept in a box...
                        The USSR had enormous potential...it was just a military economy that needed to be turned into consumer goods...and now we would be China...only even more powerful.
                        Don’t China and Belarus have their own chicken caviar?

                        In Belarus, definitely not...they buy from the Poles..I don’t know about China..it’s very difficult to negotiate with the Chinese..and there are a lot of subtle points in this issue..
                        There are a lot of different breeds of chickens... and each lays eggs differently, each has its own service life... this is a separate big topic... I know the owner in this business and he never talked about CHINA... mostly Poland, Holland...
                      9. 0
                        February 11 2024
                        someone was sleeping in the box
                        To sleep in a box in France, you need to turn your free social housing into a den and lose it because of it. At least twice. So it’s over here.
                        someone closed their mortgage their whole life
                        A free Soviet-style apartment in the West is social housing and at least not prestigious smile , and a mortgage isn’t such a terrible thing if you don’t be lazy all your life.
                        Definitely not in Belarus
                        I didn’t expect it from my father - his agricultural work is already in order. But there are no royal eggs in Israel?
                      10. 0
                        February 11 2024
                        I didn’t expect it from my father - his agricultural work is already in order. But there are no royal eggs in Israel?

                        The uterine egg is a product of “high technology” genetic engineering... the egg is programmed for a certain service life... when a chick emerges from it, its life is limited to 1,5-2 years... as a rule, after a year it begins to get sick and the bird dies like this that the royal egg needs to be renewed every year..
                        To sleep in a box in France, you need to turn your free social housing into a den and lose it because of it. At least twice. So it’s over here.

                        I’m not trying to prove that in France the standard of living is lower than in the USSR or Russia.. I just want to say that the USSR was significantly closer to the level of France and the USSR had greater potential.. than today’s Russia..
                      11. +1
                        February 11 2024
                        The USSR was significantly closer to the level of France
                        I don’t know, but it was difficult to get hold of a car in the USSR, just like a washing machine. Now in Russia there seem to be no problems of this kind.
                      12. 0
                        February 11 2024
                        I don’t know, but it was difficult to get hold of a car in the USSR, just like a washing machine. Now in Russia there seem to be no problems of this kind.

                        The most budget car now costs under 2 lemmas.. with an average salary of 60 tons.. it’s no problem.. in my opinion it’s a problem.. moreover, the average age of a car in 2018 was 14 years.. now it will be 20 years..
                        And most importantly... for the USSR this was not a major task, it was a political decision... Brezhnev, when he was approached with a proposal to focus the USSR economy on consumer goods... refused, said that security was more important than chewing gum... because he himself was a front-line soldier... psychology. .and could make the USSR a mega state..
                      13. +4
                        February 11 2024
                        with an average salary of 60 tons.
                        Less than a third of the minimum wage in England belay .
                      14. +1
                        February 11 2024
                        Less than a third of the minimum wage in England belay.

                        That's what we're talking about...with comparable prices for everything...even a lot of things are cheaper in England...
                      15. +4
                        February 11 2024
                        many things are cheaper in England..
                        Things, electronics, the same cars, airline tickets.
                      16. +1
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        tried to “get” the Yugoslav wall-

                        My wife and I, working in the village, were just saving up for a Yugoslav bedroom set - it cost 2800. We came from the village - but, fuck you, “only for war veterans.” Well, I posted an ad outside the store: “We need a veteran with orders to buy furniture, 100 rubles for the service.” So a queue formed on the stairs. And a wild cry arose when I chose not the first, but the oldest and most unfortunate looking old man. So we bought it. In a country of universal equality and brotherhood.
                      17. -3
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Svarog
                        .I have my own conclusions

                        Here's how to start by laying them out. In the meantime, I'll think about it. Because I'm currently working on another topic. Complex. Memories are written without much difficulty - the words themselves fall on paper.
                      18. -2
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Svarog
                        some achievements known to you...

                        Haha, look on the Internet... type your name and look...
                      19. -3
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I don’t see any evidence or reason

                        Glasses and Internet...
              2. -3
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Svarog
                Who deceived you? The consignment?

                But you yourself don’t understand?
                1. +6
                  February 11 2024
                  But you yourself don’t understand?

                  No, of course... I would understand and wouldn’t ask the question..
                  1. -4
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: Svarog
                    No, of course... I would understand and wouldn’t ask the question..

                    Of course, the party is native, which created the “naked king” and forced a huge number of people to worship him and work for him. Has it come now?
                    1. +3
                      February 11 2024
                      Of course, the party is native, which created the “naked king” and forced a huge number of people to worship him and work for him. Has it come now?

                      No.. who do you consider the “naked” king and who were you forced to bow to? If you are talking about the leaders of states... then I don’t remember anything that people would bow to them... jokes - yes... there was a lot going on about them... but this is not worship, but on the contrary... As a rule, small party leaders expected worship.. on the ground... to get into the “team” you had to engage in ass-licking... it was and is now... this is a property of some individuals, opportunists... definitely disgusting... and of course it had a negative impact on all spheres of life.. But we don’t we are looking at human vices..we are talking about education and the state of the USSR..and everyone on the planet has the same vices..
                      1. -3
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Svarog
                        and of course it had a negative impact on all spheres of life..

                        Yes, yes, Brezhnev even had his chest embroidered for stars...
                      2. +4
                        February 11 2024
                        Yes, yes, Brezhnev even had his chest embroidered for stars...

                        Well, this is ass-licking.. I don’t argue here.. it was, is and is now.. and this is certainly a vile vice.. Which ruined.. buried a lot of talents and exalted mediocrity..
                      3. -1
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: Svarog
                        extolled the mediocrity...

                        Well, at least we agree on something...
          2. +7
            February 11 2024
            Quote: Svarog
            ..... his youth was terrible...... we need to look for the problem... in his youth... someone apparently caused Shpakovsky trauma... which he brought with him and is pouring out..

            wink Poorly, you have studied the biography, dear! Childhood was terrifying! It was there, as it is written in one of the memoirs-comments, that this terrible injury occurred. Which? I'm embarrassed to repeat request
            1. +6
              February 11 2024
              wink bad You studied the biography, dear! Childhood was terrifying! It was there, as it is written in one of the memoirs-comments, that this terrible injury occurred. Which? I'm embarrassed to repeat

              After your mysterious comment, now I don’t even know... I’m even embarrassed to ask laughing But they were intrigued... it was clear that there was something completely out of the ordinary... belay
              1. -1
                February 11 2024
                Quote: Svarog
                I was even embarrassed to ask

                Our Dmitry is so shy that even I myself don’t know what he means. But if I were him, I wouldn’t be embarrassed... Besides, how can he know this? Only from my own articles, and since I wrote about it, then everything is fine!
        3. -4
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Alexey 1970
          or it’s easier to throw shit at me,

          Alexey, you are impenetrable. Can memories of the past be crap? This is our history, which we need to know so that the negativity from it does not repeat itself.
    3. +10
      February 11 2024
      hi I don’t understand anything else, if the author, life was so bad in the USSR and he, in his soul, fiercely protested against such disgrace, left the CPSU, emigrated to the West, “he knew English,” got a job at Radio Liberty and broadcast from there about the impossible life in the USSR, about tickets and so on. After the overthrow of the “regime”, he would have returned, they would have given him an order..
      1. +10
        February 11 2024
        would leave the CPSU and emigrate to the West hi What for? This is connected with risk, suddenly they go to prison, but he can’t, it’s uncomfortable there. laughing
        1. +10
          February 11 2024
          but he can’t, it’s uncomfortable there
          And now, you can, even need to kick the USSR. I read the news, there was one similar figure, he offered to cover up the breasts of Mother Motherland in Volgograd, they say he is corrupting the younger generation.. This has already happened somewhere, it’s true that they didn’t cover the breasts, but the coat of arms changed. Why? The seeds of anti-Sovietism are sown in different ways, this article is proof of that.
          1. +12
            February 11 2024
            From the article, especially from the author’s responses to the comments, I was left with the impression of some kind of dirt, as if I had talked with Judushka Golovlev.
            1. +7
              February 11 2024
              as if he was talking to Judushka Golovlev.
              At my work, you know how many of them there are. I even keep one of my party cards, and not in memory of “troubled youth,” but just in case, you never know.. And here I am with my party card... Yeah..
            2. -7
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Alexey 1970
              From the article, especially from the author’s responses to the comments, I was left with the impression of some kind of dirt, as if I had talked with Judushka Golovlev.

              I can only sympathize with you. Apparently, you have reached the limit of your intellectual development.
        2. -4
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Alexey 1970
          But why?

          Instead, Alexey, I wrote a Ph.D. dissertation on ways to improve the party leadership of university science and defended it. He made, so to speak, a contribution to the development of the theory and practice of Marxism-Leninism... But it was of no use to anyone except myself. By the way, I will need to give excerpts from it here. To show what it was - a dissertation on historical and party topics, otherwise some and, probably, the majority have no idea what it is or what it looks like. And there are a lot of interesting things there. It’s just a pity that I threw away my copy in the 90s, I thought that was it, the end of the nonsense had come. But I see they are tenacious. So you will need to get it through GBL.
          1. +6
            February 11 2024
            Quote: kalibr
            ...... I threw away my copy in the 90s, I thought that was it, the end of the nonsense had come. But I see they are tenacious. So you will need to get it through GBL.

            If you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, are going to do this, then please, try to get your mother’s dissertation, which you destroyed (or threw away), as you yourself wrote! You also said in one of your comments that your mother brought home a document signed by Joseph Vissarionovich and showed it to you! But you didn't get it. And your mother was a Stalinist (???) I have great respect for her!
            1. -2
              February 11 2024
              Quote: Reptiloid
              And your mother was a Stalinist (???) I have great respect for her!

              Because she was holding a document signed by Stalin on the topic of research in her hands, did she become a Stalinist? Yes, you are crazy, Dima. And getting her dissertation is not bad, yes, but will it work? She defended herself in 1967 and I don’t yet know whether her work has been digitized or not. Mine seems to be digitized...
              1. +5
                February 11 2024
                Quote: kalibr
                ..... Because she was holding a document signed by Stalin on the topic of research in her hands, she became a Stalinist? Yes you ...

                Oh how ugly you wrote sad But this is exactly the opinion that was created. You never know what you wanted, but it turned out this way. Find this comment. I remember what else was there. It was no coincidence that she showed you the document.
                And if you can’t find out about the dissertation, it’s a big loss
                1. -3
                  February 11 2024
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  It was no coincidence that she showed you the document.

                  Of course not by chance. This is such a rarity. You can find out about the dissertation, but if it is not digitized, it cannot be obtained in electronic form.
                  1. +5
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: kalibr
                    ..... You can find out about the dissertation, but if it is not digitized, then it cannot be obtained in electronic form.

                    Various Soviet authors, not the most famous, but quite readable, turned out to be lost. True, sometimes, after many years, it somehow appeared recourse Someone digitized request
      2. -6
        February 11 2024
        Quote: parusnik
        I don’t understand anything else, if the author, life was so bad in the USSR and he, in his soul, fiercely protested against such disgrace, left the CPSU, emigrated to the West, “he knew English,” got a job at Radio Liberty and broadcast from there about the impossible life in the USSR, about tickets and so on.

        Alexei! I didn’t expect this from you. You seem to have been on the site for a long time, read all my articles, right? Yes! Which one said that “life was so bad for me in the USSR”? I had nothing to compare it to! Is this available to you or not? He believed that these were “costs”, “relics” and “enemies around”. When I saw shortcomings within my capabilities, I wrote articles about them in the newspaper. Why did I have to leave? When I was one of the active defenders. Until the end I believed that everything would work out. And then it turned out that he served the “naked king” and 10 years of life were down the drain. After! Is it possible for you to figure this out? And then... then everything is simple. A historian must study the mistakes of the past so that they are not repeated.
        1. +6
          February 11 2024
          Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich, leave it... don’t do it...
          When I was one of the active defenders. Until the end I believed that everything would work out.
          Don't lie to yourself.
          And then it turned out that he served the “naked king” and 10 years of life were down the drain.
          And then it turned out that you were deceived, somewhere, someone, already talked about this. That he was also deceived. I read your articles very carefully and came to the conclusion about you, like the hero of the film "Republic of SHKID", about Kostya Fedotov -Mommy. That’s what he told him......
          1. -7
            February 11 2024
            Quote: parusnik
            Don't lie to yourself.

            Alexei! How shoud I understand this? Can a lecturer at the Department of History of the CPSU and the Republic of Kazakhstan CPSU and OK Komsomol not believe in the triumph of Lenin’s ideas? He carries them with his words to the masses! And people sense in such cases very subtly falsehood or empty demagoguery.
            1. +8
              February 11 2024
              And people sense in such cases very subtly falsehood or empty demagoguery.
              People didn’t feel, people didn’t feel... And those who felt didn’t show it. You are still false... There is no need to spawn in front of me. Vyacheslav Olegovich, my opinion about you has formed. Thank you for your articles, thanks to which I, in the end, formed a negative opinion about you.
              1. -4
                February 11 2024
                Quote: parusnik
                There is no need to spawn in front of me. Vyacheslav Olegovich, my opinion about you has formed.

                What I don’t need is to spawn in front of someone. If you were the editor of EKSMO, this would still make some sense, but as it is... your opinion makes absolutely no sense to me.
                1. +6
                  February 11 2024
                  And I like yours to me like a star... You lay eggs well... Very... Toads will grow. The same as in the neighboring state.
                  1. -5
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: parusnik
                    The toads will grow

                    I hope, however, and I do a lot for this. But I don’t express my opinion about you, it would be too much honor. So let’s not talk about the stars.
                    1. +1
                      February 11 2024
                      Here, that’s...what we’re talking about..And then they started here, but I lost an eye for you in the attack.. laughing Yes, people listened to me, yes I, yes I.. In Ukraine, there are many like you.. And now we have what we have.. I’m tired of communicating with you, you’ll go back to insults.. You won’t be banned for them.. and me yes... Sow, good and eternal. laughing
                      1. -2
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: parusnik
                        Sow what is good and eternal.

                        There will be an article about that too, Alexey!
                      2. +6
                        February 11 2024
                        Who would doubt it, you have a lot of dirt. Well, then I say goodbye because thanks to me you have collected additional comments for the rating of your article. Write, the last one to mine. laughing
                      3. -9
                        February 11 2024
                        Quote: parusnik
                        Write, the last one is to mine.

                        There will also be “ratingists” after you. The little man must be heard - the motto of today's information society!
                  2. -9
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: parusnik
                    And to me yours is up to the stars...

                    I chased you for three days to tell you how indifferent you are to me (c) smile
                    You lay eggs well..Very well..Toads will grow.The same as in the neighboring state.

                    So Vyacheslav’s opponents are full of these toads, no caviar is needed.
                    1. +4
                      February 11 2024
                      So the opponents here are full of these toads
                      Are you talking about me?.. laughing It’s very nice to know that Vyacheslav Olegovich hatched from eggs. laughing
              2. +8
                February 11 2024
                Alexey, there is no need to throw pearls in front of this author. He’s here to earn money, he can’t live without trashing the USSR, he’s a PR man.
                1. +6
                  February 11 2024
                  Sergey, oh, I wouldn’t want to, but a person is brainwashed, as they did and are doing in the post-Soviet space. He wrote me the last comment, he is already a small man pretending to be Akaki Akakievich, from whom the Soviet government took his Overcoat laughing
                  1. +5
                    February 11 2024
                    Alexey, this loser tries to convince himself everywhere that life is good, that he is very lucky, that money doesn’t smell, that now it’s much better than under the USSR. And what has he achieved by the age of 70? I've adapted, it's there. He flawlessly followed every instruction of the district committee (as he wrote to me in response to a comment), without even realizing that any instruction from higher management can be carried out either with excess or with a lack of enthusiasm. but for this you need to be able to think, but he is not trained. drinks
                    1. +2
                      February 11 2024
                      you have to be able to think, but he is not trained.
                      That's for sure.. And to me in the previous comments,
                      a few years ago, I said so much about myself, my hair stood on end laughing
                    2. -8
                      February 11 2024
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      He flawlessly followed every instruction of the district committee (as he wrote to me in response to a comment), without even realizing that any instruction from higher management can be carried out either with excess or with a lack of enthusiasm. but for this you need to be able to think, but he is not trained.

                      You didn’t have any sense of party discipline, that’s why you say so.
                  2. -8
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: parusnik
                    He wrote me the last comment, already a small man pretending to be Akaki Akakievich, from whom the Soviet government took his Overcoat

                    Are you out of your mind? It’s pretending... they’re descending on you, but you don’t even understand it. Have you already forgotten how you screwed yourself up from just threatening to sue for unauthorized posting of photos and asking the editor to delete your comments?
    4. +7
      February 11 2024
      "Why continue to write with the tenacity of a maniac? Or, as they say, have you got the bit between your teeth?"
      money, money..." people are dying for metal." Apparently, they stopped publishing seamless works, but you have to live. here comes the chicken, grain by grain, as one character said
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. -1
        February 12 2024
        Quote: ZloyKot
        apparently they stopped publishing seamless essays

        You can't see any...
  5. +8
    February 11 2024
    The leadership has clearly become disconnected from the people
    And now the top people are closely connected with the people... Just now, the president was surprised at the high prices for air tickets, apparently he began to use the services of Russian airlines, he was unable to get a business class ticket.
  6. +11
    February 11 2024
    Those. in one day Shpakovsky earned four months' salary of my father at that time sad
    1. -5
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Burer
      earned four months' salary of my father at the time

      This, I see, is the most offensive thing. What will happen if I write about the fee for my first book? Is your health enough to survive?
      1. +6
        February 11 2024
        I’m not aware of your fees, and they don’t affect my health) I wanted to get likes by commenting. But in general, your articles perfectly illustrate that society in the USSR, except for a small external gloss of ideology, was no different from modernity or the Western world of that time.
        Now I’ll work on the cons
        1. -2
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Burer
          I wanted to get likes by commenting. But in general, your articles perfectly illustrate that society in the USSR, except for a small external gloss of ideology, was no different from modernity or the Western world of that time.

          Here you are absolutely right. People are people everywhere and adapt to any system, and there are always those to whom it is closer and to whom it is further. And when the gloss from external pressure subsides, everything that was “underneath” comes out. But I don’t want to look in the mirror. And from me to you + And don’t think that the disadvantages assigned to you will affect anything. They definitely won’t take your mind away.
    2. +5
      February 11 2024
      Engaging in a criminal offense, that is, speculation. Article 154 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR.
      1. -2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: Gardamir
        Engaging in a criminal offense, that is, speculation. Article 154 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR.

        "Article 154. Speculation. Speculation, that is, the buying and resale of goods or other items for the purpose of profit,...." - and where is the buying and resale for the purpose of profit?
    3. +6
      February 11 2024
      “That is, in one day Shpakovsky earned four months’ salary of my father at that time.”
      composes as usual. I visited Anapa in those same times more than once, I had never heard of such a place where bottles were beaten and thrown into the sea. and it takes dozens of years to turn bottle fragments into pebbles. On the beach, on any beach, you can find such pellets, but there are very few of them, and they are dull and matte. they need to be polished. and epoxy is dull and matte, it also needs to be polished. but this is a question of real technology, which has nothing to do with Shpakovsky’s opuses
      1. -1
        February 12 2024
        Quote: ZloyKot
        but this is a question of real technology,

        You don't know how to work! All this is described in the book FROM EVERYTHING AT YOUR HANDS, 1987 edition. Nobody wrote that this is not so. Perhaps your arms grow out of your seat? By the way, have you looked at the list of publications of the Higher Attestation Commission, are you convinced that it exists and MOTHERLAND is there?
        1. +1
          February 12 2024
          By the way, have you looked at the list of publications of the Higher Attestation Commission, are you convinced that it exists and MOTHERLAND is there?

          Should this change anything in the matter of confirming the statement about Reisner bathing in champagne?
          Here is an example of material in the magazine "Rodina".
          1. 0
            February 12 2024
            Quote: A vile skeptic
            By the way, have you looked at the list of publications of the Higher Attestation Commission, are you convinced that it exists and MOTHERLAND is there?

            Should this change anything in the matter of confirming the statement about Reisner bathing in champagne?
            Here is an example of material in the magazine "Rodina".

            Timur! What are you trying to prove to me? What did I come up with? No, I'm too lazy for that. There is no point in confirming anything to you. Who are you? Editor of AST, Eksmo? I wish I could try harder for them, but even then... it’s unlikely. And you... why the hell do I need this. Think and write what you want - more comments, higher site rating!
            1. +1
              February 13 2024
              Timur! What are you trying to prove to me? What did I come up with?

              God forbid, everything has already been invented before you.
              I’m not touching on how you handle information, I’m just surprised why a person who claims to be 20% is so selectively indiscriminate in choosing sources.
              Well, why else, you decided to mislead people by referring to the “seriousness” of the source ("Rodina is a journal of the Higher Attestation Commission. Very strict requirements are imposed on articles in it. Links to archival documents are needed. There is a staff of reviewers..."). Don't you know that he has been on the VAK list since 2007, and you could have used numbers before 2005? I gave an example of material from such an issue. But only. We won’t talk about the “seriousness” of the magazine “Secrets of the XNUMXth Century”. And your overly violent reaction at least illustrates the Russian proverb about a burning hat.
              1. -1
                February 13 2024
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                Don't you know that he has been on the VAK list since 2007, and you could have used numbers before 2005?

                Timur! That's because it was a serious magazine. He ended up on this list. Secondly, in “Secrets of the 150th century” there are also authors working with archival documents. I will prove this in one of the articles. As for the “violent reaction”, the one about the hat and the thief does not apply. I'm generally an emotional person. Moreover, I, Timur, would generally advise you to read this novel - “Three from Ensk”. XNUMX rub. They will neither ruin you nor enrich me. But it is interesting, and it is not for nothing that it was published in Germany and Singapore. There are people at VO who also read it. They are no worse than you and... they really liked him. So take my advice.
  7. +6
    February 11 2024
    Heh... heh... "Negative selection" existed not only in the USSR. And it’s strange to read about this as a discovery made by the great philosopher Wardenheart or whatever his name is....... You never know what else some local “genius in panties” will blurt out....

    Nowadays you have to sign up for a ship cruise in the summer in the winter, but so what?
    Of course, America gave Russia the Internet and there is no need to run to roll call at three o’clock in the morning.....
    1. -6
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ivan2022
      There’s no need to run to roll call at three o’clock in the morning.

      Already an achievement, isn't it? Many great journeys began with one small step!
    2. -6
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ivan2022
      “Negative selection” existed not only in the USSR.

      But only in the USSR did he ruin it!
      1. +4
        February 11 2024
        But only in the USSR did he ruin it!


        From which it follows that in the USSR there was a negative selection of power: at the top there were disproportionately more people with proprietary interests than those who care about the interests of Soviet society and the working people of the whole world


        The vast majority of caring and ideological ones remained on the battlefields; the main task of the First and Second World Wars was precisely the destruction of our best gene pool. And in the end, they surfaced to the top with proprietary interests, and people like you - opportunistic careerists, without a sense of the Motherland and the flag. In society, as in nature, there is no emptiness. In the absence of lions, rams reign.
        People were given an ideology, and “those who came to the top” distorted it. They twisted it and mutilated it. As a result, everything was done in a clumsy way. Nothing developed. After the shift, they didn’t go to development and training centers, but to a pub. And only a small part of the people were drawn to space and the army, education and medicine. And even then, they were respected only in words. And so they spat in the back and were fiercely jealous of the benefits that motivated them to work. Intellectual became a dirty word. But storekeeper became synonymous with wealth. Did external enemies do this? Or in the nineties, did they slaughter each other at their behest? No, people grabbed the freebie. And they were ready to kill for it.
        The Union was destroyed by “those who came to the top” because in the Union no one could have privately owned planes, yachts, villas, and even pass them on by inheritance, and the townsfolk who supported them, because the concepts of selfishness and private property are in our blood. Well, he won’t give it up Vasya Petya owns his car. He would rather want to press someone else’s. It’s human nature.

        1. -3
          February 11 2024
          Quote: kreck
          Intellectual has become a dirty word. But the storekeeper has become synonymous with wealth.

          Did I do all this?
          1. +7
            February 11 2024
            Did I do all this?

            I didn’t say anything about you specifically, the phrase was “People like you are opportunistic careerists.” You, I think, did not rise to the occasion, you did not rise to the occasion, so to speak, most likely hence your hatred of the USSR and the desire to prove to everyone your exclusivity. the whole article is imbued with this spirit. But if you had the opportunity... it’s called making up your mind. In general, I apologize, this is already a flood and getting personal, I succumbed to your provocation. :)
            1. -5
              February 11 2024
              Quote: kreck
              In general, I apologize, this is already a flood and getting personal,

              It's good that you understand this!
      2. +1
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ivan2022
        “Negative selection” existed not only in the USSR.

        But only in the USSR did he ruin it!
        Not “in the USSR”, but in our blessed society of the times of the USSR.
        So he “ditched” Christ, who was betrayed... ....
        Who benefits from this?
  8. +7
    February 11 2024
    Well, yes, there were problems with tickets, especially at the end of the summer season, so what? I also found myself in situations where I couldn’t leave, but I don’t think that because of this, life was worse then than now. In general, the author has an interesting topic, first a series of articles about PR, then about the negative of socialist reality, and all this, purely by chance, on the eve of the elections. You might think that the idea is being pushed: let the people better think that they themselves elected someone there, because he was in black and stood on pink linoleum and in no case looked to the left and did not stutter about voting fraud. And by the way, where are the statistics? The article is called “Memoirs against Statistics,” there are memories of what a cool “businessman” the author of this opus was in Soviet times, but there are no statistics. And the lack of tickets, this is true, is a reason, because the memories are not about tickets, but mainly about a successful “business” and restaurant.
    1. -2
      February 11 2024
      Quote: kreck
      but there are no statistics.

      And the statistics were in the article of the author, with whom there is a correspondence dispute here. He had more than enough of it.
    2. -1
      February 11 2024
      Quote: kreck
      In no case did they look to the left and did not mention voting fraud.

      Did you read between the lines too? No need! I have never written about people not looking to the left. Let them look. The voice of the people is the voice of God. Let them look and vote for whoever they want.
      1. +9
        February 11 2024
        Why couldn’t it be possible to get from Anapa in a few hours by bus (train) to Stavropol or Rostov and calmly move from there, instead of sitting in Anapa for weeks? There weren’t really any seasonal holidaymakers there..
        1. -4
          February 11 2024
          Quote: 2 level advisor
          Why couldn’t it be possible to get from Anapa in a few hours by bus (train) to Stavropol or Rostov and calmly move from there, instead of sitting in Anapa for weeks? There weren’t really any seasonal holidaymakers there..

          I didn’t want to travel around on buses and trains with a small child.
  9. +7
    February 11 2024
    I have no idea who A.B. Petrov is, to whom the author refers in the epigraph.
    But there is a reference book "Dynamics of railway development..." ed. if I'm not mistaken, Tereshova et al from 1992.

    So, there is the so-called. empty run ratio, which was higher in the USA than in the USSR. Which is in favor of the USSR.

    And it is concluded that in market conditions this is permissible if higher train speeds, rhythm of transportation and train load-carrying capacity are ensured.
    (Even in the 60s, trains of the “formula 100*100” were running in the USA - one hundred cars of 100 tons each.)

    And in the times of the USSR, it was concluded that even in the conditions of a less developed railway fleet, due to unified planning, high efficiency of transportation can be ensured....

    As you can see, the main thing is which side to look at. Whoever has a megaphone in his hands is right.
  10. +8
    February 11 2024
    I want to protect V.O. Shpakovsky (nee Shevchenko). He was born a bourgeois and it was difficult for him to live under the Soviet system, and he had to mimic the surrounding reality, he even had to join the party. And now he is in his capitalist element, a prolific writer, a respected member of the VO editorial board. What's bad about it? Both Chubais and Gaidar, liberals, oligarchs all went through difficult Soviet times for them. But now they live like in paradise. hi
    1. -3
      February 11 2024
      Quote: V.
      He was born a bourgeois

      In the family of a communist grandfather and a communist mother and teacher of the history of the CPSU. I had to try!
      1. +6
        February 11 2024
        In the family of a communist grandfather and a communist mother and teacher of the history of the CPSU.
        Well, there are communists and there are communists. In a recent article by the author, it was said that those who shouted loudest about loyalty to Marxism-Leninism joined the party. He probably had his closest relatives in front of him, otherwise I don’t understand this thesis. This has nothing to do with my father at all, as well as with millions of other front-line communists.
        1. -6
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Aviator_
          Probably,

          “Probably” again, Sergey. If he had, he would have said so. Where could my retired grandfather shout loudly for communism? On the bench at the gate? But I wasn’t in my mother’s classes. This is a figurative expression based on... the content of the charter of a member of the CPSU, what is there not to understand?
    2. +5
      February 11 2024
      He was born a bourgeois and it was hard for him to live under the Soviet system, and he had to mimic the surrounding reality,


      In the film “Eternal Call” there is a character Fyodor Savelyev, who fits the type.
    3. -2
      February 11 2024
      Quote: V.
      (nee Shevchenko)

      First there were hints about Jewry, now about Ukrainians. Well, how much is possible?
    4. +6
      February 11 2024
      Quote: V.
      I want to protect V.O. Shpakovsky (nee Shevchenko). He was born a bourgeois and it was hard for him to live under...:

      This may or may not be the case. I believe that the author is simply a very active, energetic person whose main joy is the activity itself. And he absolutely doesn’t care whose side he’s on. This is a representative of the happy human type.

      Personally, when I reach a point and rest, I can only go crazy and do nothing at all..... but for Shpakovsky, rest is a change of activity.
      1. -4
        February 11 2024
        Quote: ivan2022
        and for Shpakovsky, rest is a change of activity.

        The most wonderful comment today! Sincere thanks!
  11. +8
    February 11 2024
    Shpakovsky's next article will be about the fact that in Soviet times he did not have a mobile phone, plasma TV or microwave. But now he has everything.
    1. -4
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Million
      Million
      (Vlad)

      Usually such wit is usually shown in the NEWS section. Did you happen to have the wrong door?
  12. +7
    February 11 2024
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    in a sanatorium in Crimea, in my opinion, for 170 rubles, that’s exactly how much the ticket cost. Money is just funny

    This is a whole average salary!
    1. +10
      February 11 2024
      I propose to go to Crimea, on the current average salary, even according to official data))
      Yes, go to the sanatorium))
      1. -6
        February 11 2024
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        I propose to go to Crimea, on the current average salary, even according to official data))

        Not in Crimea, but in the Krasnodar Territory, on the sea, 25 km from Anapa, there is a "resting place." Tourist base. Eco-houses made of pine timber, hot and cold water, air conditioning, internet, TV, swimming pool... three meals a day and very healthy and tasty. 3,5 thousand per day per person. A holiday there for me, my wife and granddaughter cost 120 thousand for three of us. True, no road. But since we took the tickets 90 days in advance, this does not count. So if your salary is 30 thousand then... you can. My daughter has exactly this one. True, the upper threshold is not limited... And seamstresses in Penza receive 75 thousand each, as do painters who paint with powder. I gave a photo of an advertisement for a clothing industry here.
        1. +1
          February 12 2024
          Not in Crimea, but in the Krasnodar Territory, on the sea, 25 km from Anapa, there is a "resting place." Tourist base. Eco-houses made of pine timber, hot and cold water, air conditioning, internet, TV, swimming pool... three meals a day and very healthy and tasty. 3,5 thousand per day per person. A holiday there for me, my wife and granddaughter cost 120 thousand for three of us. True, no road. But since we took the tickets 90 days in advance, this does not count. So if your salary is 30 thousand then... you can. My daughter has exactly this one. True, the upper threshold is not limited... And seamstresses in Penza receive 75 thousand each, as do painters who paint with powder. I gave a photo of an advertisement for a clothing industry here.

          Are you talking about the “wild beach” in the Blagoveshchenskaya area? Yes, it is very democratic there. Right up to camping.
          The analogue in Crimea is the Belyaus spit.
  13. +1
    February 11 2024
    Quote: kreck
    In general, the author has an interesting topic, first a series of articles about PR, then about the negative of socialist reality

    What do you think was one positive thing about the USSR? It was because of such primitive dogmatic statements (which do not correspond to reality) that it fell apart.
  14. +2
    February 11 2024
    Quote: kalibr
    A historian must study the mistakes of the past so that they are not repeated.

    Golden words!
  15. +6
    February 11 2024
    There’s one thing I can’t understand - what’s the problem with buying round-trip tickets straight away? bully
    1. -1
      February 11 2024
      Quote: faiver
      There’s one thing I can’t understand - what’s the problem with buying round-trip tickets straight away?

      You see, Andrey, how life has changed. You don't understand this, right? And then they didn’t sell back and forth. Only there, and from there - back! The only way!
    2. 0
      February 11 2024
      Quote: faiver
      There’s one thing I can’t understand - what’s the problem with buying round-trip tickets straight away? bully
      The fact is that they don't exist. Tickets start selling 45 days in advance and are sold out within half an hour. And then and now. Few people need to return the same day.
  16. +5
    February 11 2024
    Thank you!
    It's always interesting to read you. Even when you don’t like the plot.
    How did you solve the problem with work? We went on vacation for 2 weeks and returned after a month and a half. Did you have to write explanatory notes?
    1. +3
      February 11 2024
      [quote=Fangaro]
      No Roman, everything was simpler. Teachers had a vacation of TWO calendar months. We managed to arrive on the morning of August 28 and immediately caught the bus and the school teachers' council in the district center. And then home, and again to the village. On September 1st we were at school on the line like two bayonets!
  17. +2
    February 11 2024
    From the first lines I realized that this was the opportunist Shpakovsky, he brought another barrel of crap and started the fan
    It’s somewhat strange: when you go on vacation, especially with your family, you buy round-trip tickets)))
    1. -3
      February 11 2024
      Quote: The Siberian Barber
      It’s somewhat strange: when you go on vacation, especially with your family, you buy round-trip tickets)

      This is how it is now. In 1979 it was different.
      1. +6
        February 11 2024
        What's different? Clarify please)
        1. -1
          February 11 2024
          Quote: Siberian barber
          What's different? Clarify please)

          It was impossible to buy round trip tickets! It's clear?
          1. +8
            February 11 2024
            Well, I don’t know what it was like in 79, but in the 80s, quite realistically, by plane
            1. -5
              February 11 2024
              Quote: The Siberian Barber
              but in the 80s, quite realistically, by plane

              My daughter was very sick on the plane. That's why we didn't fly with her.
  18. +4
    February 11 2024
    If it weren’t for the Internet, even now the queues at the railway ticket offices would be kilometre-long.
    Now I don’t accept my memories of the Soviet past objectively, because then, compared to today, the sky was bluer and the grass was greener and the trees were bigger. We were young then...
    Therefore, when nine years ago they began to prove to me that in Russia the last hedgehogs were being eaten up and everything was falling apart and collapsing, we decided to see for ourselves and went not to Anapa, but to Sochi to the Rus sanatorium, which in Soviet times was known to us under the name of Lenin. I will say that I no longer remember about the sky, grass and trees in Soviet times, it was a long time ago, but for my wife and I from that trip to Sochi in Russia, bluer than the sky, greener grass and taller than the trees could not be found. Since then, only vacation in Russia! It’s true that it’s hot for us in Sochi, so we remembered the Gorko sanatorium, from Soviet times, in Kislovodsk. And now it will be the fourth summer - only there. From St. Petersburg to Kislovodsk itself and in Kislovodsk itself, the sky in Russia is getting bluer every year, the grass is getting greener and the trees are getting bigger and bigger. Whoever is unable to see, feel and appreciate this is unlucky in life if he is unable to see how every year Russia becomes more and more beautiful and comfortable, and the service will soon be envied and studied in the West!
    1. -4
      February 11 2024
      Quote: north 2
      how every year Russia becomes more beautiful and cozy

      Exactly! After 2020 we are vacationing in different places in the Krasnodar region. The rooms are no worse than in Spain and France, the service is at the highest level. You don't need anything more to relax.
      1. -4
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: north 2
        how every year Russia becomes more beautiful and cozy

        Exactly! After 2020 we are vacationing in different places in the Krasnodar region. The rooms are no worse than in Spain and France, the service is at the highest level. You don't need anything more to relax.

        Here are two minuses, I won’t say where. But I wanted... There’s no point... opening fishing spots!
  19. Msi
    +3
    February 11 2024
    Mr. Shpakovsky, you wrote a nonsense article. But again they collected a lot of views and comments. lol I read it one of the first, but did not comment. There have been no comments yet. I think it's nonsense. Now I'm looking at 80+ comments. I had to come in. Oh, these psychological things of yours... lol
    1. -2
      February 11 2024
      Quote from Msi
      I had to come in.

      I bet with a friend that it will be more than 100... Let's help!
      1. Msi
        +4
        February 11 2024
        I bet with a friend that it will be more than 100... Let's help

        There will be much more. You are a competent manipulator and know how to make money... There are already 3 comments and 2 views from me. It's time for me to finish, I helped you as much as I could... laughing
        1. -5
          February 11 2024
          Quote from Msi
          It's time for me to finish, I helped you as much as I could.

          Thank you! The bird pecks a grain at a time, but is full!
      2. -1
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        I bet with a friend that it will be more than 100... Let's help!

        But I think that the author is catching negativity from inadequate adherents of the USSR sect... bully
        There is a lot to be said about buying train tickets in the USSR - especially for passing trains...
        Tickets for them were given when the train left the nearest large station - so you stood at the ticket office, waiting... and there was another person nearby... waiting... and the conductor would indicate the seats... request
        1. -5
          February 11 2024
          Quote: DrEng02
          and there is another person nearby... waiting... and the guide will indicate the place..

          My wife and daughter went this way, I don’t remember where from. We only managed to get tickets to Liski station. And there I persuaded the conductor to seat us “this way.” This “so” turned into ten from the nose and at first we stood in the vestibule. Then they sat my daughter down, then my wife managed to sit down, and finally I sat down on the side shelf.
          1. 0
            February 11 2024
            Quote: kalibr
            there I persuaded the conductor to seat us “this way”.

            I know girls who went to the Blue Arrow MTR - I know all the tricks bully
            1) add soda to tea - to make it stronger...
            2) for the “hares”, pay a share to the head of the train (he gave a telegram with places), they also transported conductors in the compartment, slept with neighbors for a share...
            3) sale of alcohol and return of empty bottles,
            4) delivery of parcels, etc. and so on.
            1. -4
              February 11 2024
              Quote: DrEng02
              I know all the tricks

              +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
              1. 0
                February 11 2024
                Quote: kalibr
                +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                will not help - I have -2400 hi adherents of the USSR instructed - they are funny in this regard... request
                1. -6
                  February 11 2024
                  Quote: DrEng02
                  funny

                  But the topics for future articles are simply excellent! My wife says to me: “You’ve been collaborating with VO for eight years, you’ve written 2100 articles. What else is there to write about?” If only she knew how much space is open here. One writes - “write objectively about + the USSR”, another wants excerpts from the dissertation of my mother (a “Stalinist”), who was holding a document signed by Stalin in her hands (now I’m bursting into tears with emotion), the third is burning with the desire to read the continuation of the holiday in the 1980s.. . And this is only part of the wishes." The smartest people go to PM and there is something to think about. Oh, and why there are only 24 hours in a day and 8 of them you need to sleep.
                  1. -1
                    February 11 2024
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Oh, and why there are only 24 hours in a day and 8 of them need to be slept.

                    that's why I'm just relaxing here... request
          2. 0
            February 12 2024
            My wife and daughter went this way, I don’t remember where from. We only managed to get tickets to Liski station. And there I persuaded the conductor to seat us “this way.” This “so” turned into ten from the nose and at first we stood in the vestibule. Then they sat my daughter down, then my wife managed to sit down, and finally I sat down on the side shelf.

            Vyacheslav, finish this matter. Only autotourism! With a mandatory stop in Kamensk-Shakhtinsk. At the hotel-museum "Legends of the USSR".

            Hotel-Museum "USSR": a pioneer salute to every guest!

            I really prefer the nearby Bike Hotel. drinks
      3. +1
        February 12 2024
        I bet with a friend that it will be more than 100... Let's help!

        They got the theme right. Got snow! And today it's freezing rain. am
        It's time to go south!
  20. +3
    February 11 2024
    My family had a similar story with train tickets in 1975, but in Novorossiysk.
    But my friend and I, whose family we were vacationing with, got out of it “more intellectually.” After going to roll calls for 3-4 days, we found out that there is a waiting list and a person, about 20-25 in line, who shouts out the names of the next person on the waiting list. When it was his turn, he gave the list to the 20th person and further around the circle. My friend, an intelligent-looking man, hovered around the woman who at that moment was “reading out the entire list” and when her turn came he managed to intercept him. After a couple of people in the queue, he shouted out my name, which naturally wasn’t on the list, I bought tickets for myself and for him, after a couple more people he loudly announced that it was hot and we needed to drink beer urgently, handed over the list of 20 in line and we quickly disappeared ". drinks
  21. +6
    February 11 2024
    Modern Rosstat admits that in the Russian Federation in the 90s and noughties, meat production was one and a half times less than in the RSFSR in 1989. It reached the Soviet level only by 2015. It couldn't be any other way. It is impossible to ruin a farm and increase production at the same time

    But memories tell a different story... The fact is that our personal memories reflect only what we see, but they are also formed and edited constantly.....
    And such things as “look”, “see” and “understand” - - can vary very much.
    1. +3
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ivan2022

      But the memories tell a different story...

      So they gobbled up imported goods - bush legs, etc. They took our fishing rod away and filled it with cheap dried fish, so that the fishermen would die out too.
  22. +6
    February 11 2024
    Not without oddities.

    For example, it is absolutely unclear what relation a quote from the great classic Wardenheart about Stalinism has to a trip to Anapa in the 70s?

    And how does a professional PR man manage to antagonize commentators like this? Maybe there is a connection between some benefit to the author and the number of comments on his article?.... but who knows... laughing
    1. -6
      February 11 2024
      Quote: ivan2022
      And how does a professional PR man manage to antagonize commentators like this?

      Ivan! 80% of people are stupid, although in different ways. Moreover, the percentage for VO is even less. And yet there are enough of them. However, I am not reinstating anyone... Just look at the rating... It has grown by 2500 points compared to what it was at 5 am, with all the minuses. That is, for every minus there are... 2-3 pluses. What kind of restoration is this? And I also wrote about the connection with quantity many (!) times. The more comments, the greater the investment attractiveness of the site. How many times should I repeat this before it gets ingrained in my brain?
      1. +2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        Just look at the rating... It has grown by 2500 points compared to what it was at 5 am, despite all the negatives. That is, for every minus there are... 2-3 pluses. What kind of restoration is this?..... And I also wrote about the connection with quantity. How many times should I repeat this to get it drilled into my brain?

        I look and see that I was not mistaken in judging by eye. In this article, the sum of all your minuses and pluses is minus 10! Where are two or three pluses for one minus?
        Check......
        1. -5
          February 11 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          Check......

          Ivan! And I spent so much time chatting today. But today is my St. Lazy Day. I’ve already written another article on VO... And to tinker with the numbers.... I also estimated it by eye and... everything grew. Why should I deceive you? Next time you will be able to specifically calculate and make sure.
        2. -4
          February 11 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          Where are two or three pluses for one minus?

          Ivan! Rejoice! Now I saw a decrease of 1000 units! But still higher than at 5 am.
        3. -3
          February 11 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          ivan2022
          (Ivan)

          Ivan! Aww! Now watched: 16.16. The growth, after some fall, rebounded upward by 4 thousand units. Here it is, the silent majority, which the “minusers” prefer not to think about. And this same growth speaks of the interest of the majority of those who read this topic and... their trust, doesn’t it? In a word, everything is according to the Pareto law. The majority decides, that is, 80% in one direction or another. The opinion of 20% can, tolerantly speaking, be ignored. Speaking rudely and intolerantly, you can’t give a damn about him.
          1. 0
            February 11 2024
            Quote: kalibr
            The majority decides, that is, 80% in one direction or another

            Yes. And what they say is true - even if you live a century, you will still die a fool... a good proverb, correct.

            Quote: kalibr
            you don't care about him

            There is another proverb: don’t spit in the well; if it flies out, you won’t catch it. request laughing
  23. +5
    February 11 2024
    Have you ever thought about it? You and your wife were on vacation in Yalta. It’s the same story with tickets. We boarded the comet to Novorossiysk. Then to Rostov. And from Rostov in any direction. Or even better, you get to Tikhoretsk and go wherever your little one wants. Tickets are always available were
  24. +1
    February 11 2024
    And the question is, if our trains ran so well, why were there always not enough tickets for them?
    Because the tickets were cheap, everyone could afford them, and the railway was completely uninterested in increasing the number of trains at such a price for tickets. Both then and now, even with subsidies.
    1. +2
      February 11 2024
      It's a little different here. The point of the railway is that it is the cheapest form of transport at cost, or so it turned out. But even under socialism or capitalism, we need transport with cheap tickets for the movement of labor both for work and for vacations, for students on vacation and back, tourists, seasonal workers. That is why under the Soviet regime they kept cheap train tickets and, to some extent, in aviation and the river fleet, especially if there was no railway to the destination. Everything was subsidized by freight transportation.
      But now wild or oligarchic capitalism is swelling everywhere, including on the railway
      prices, up to aviation levels. I’m not against SV or compartment cars, but there should be a reserved seat and the cheapest general (like seats on a bus) car with the cheapest tickets
      (for students and pensioners it’s generally free, if we cannot pay pensioners and students decent pensions and scholarships). soldier
  25. +4
    February 11 2024
    And the question is, if our trains ran so well, why were there always not enough tickets for them?

    It seems Polyakov wrote that the USSR collapsed precisely because of such stupid and ill-thought-out “little things”...
  26. -2
    February 11 2024
    hi
    Nostalgia, nostalgia) There was good, there was bad..
    It’s so interesting for me sometimes to read comments in the style of “It’s as if everything in the Russian Federation is better now than it was in the USSR.” A sort of binary view of things - as if for some people there is nothing other than 0 and 1.
    Such reasoning is as if nothing other than the Russian Federation-USSR existed, does not exist and CANNOT exist even in theory. And therefore you need to choose which chocolate bar is “the sweetest”, and the second one automatically becomes a poop disguised as chocolate.

    The USSR spent a lot of energy on endlessly remaking people and trying to change their essence, whereas it would have been easier to direct this essence for good, benefiting from its movement, rather than trying to row against the tide. The same mistake is repeated by the modern Russian Federation - only then freedom of activity and creation was drowned by party dogmas and ideology, and now simply by layers of ideas, rules and legislative lobbying.
    The Union spent a lot of effort “outside”, still having a lot of work and unsolved questions within itself.
    The old party generations simply did not catch up with where to grow next - in comparison with their youth, life was simply gorgeous. The youngsters saw everything somewhat more broadly and compared not what was spherical in a vacuum, but where they lived with what was outside, with the front side of it. The concept of “competition” was very difficult to understand within this system, because there was no competition, neither commodity nor political. They didn’t understand that they needed to compete with “outside”, that everything doesn’t stand still, everything is in motion - they didn’t understand then and they don’t understand now either. With issues of law and privacy, there were bigger problems then and now. As with issues of humanism - on paper, everything could be gorgeous, but in the minds of the little man he was “part of the ship”, and not some kind of independent unit existing in the system.
    Both the USSR and the modern Russian Federation are not perfect. The trouble is that our society seems to have forgotten that perfection requires move, it doesn’t come on its own. You need to think about how something could be organized better, more conveniently, think about whether everything was convenient, ergonomic, adequate, or whether everything was organized earlier? Instead of this living mental activity, we observe endless rides of reflection along the route “it was-was-it was,” as in that miniature about crayfish, which yesterday were large, but for 7 rubles, and today they are small, but for 5. In addition to “was” and “became” there is also “will be” and “outside”.
    Our philosophical search goes in circles instead, we want to lick and tune our past to shine, instead of noting its imperfections with the eye of an artist and trying to correct them with the hand of an engineer in the present-future.
    1. -3
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      corrected by the hand of an engineer in the present-future.

      + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
    2. +1
      February 11 2024
      Our philosophical search goes in circles instead, we want to lick and tune our past to shine, instead of noting its imperfections with the eye of an artist and trying to correct them with the hand of an engineer in the present-future

      Once again I note a very good comment..
      Both the USSR and the modern Russian Federation are not perfect. The trouble is that our society seems to have forgotten that we need to move towards perfection

      That's right...and at the beginning of any movement, there must be a thought...a goal...and a philosophy or understanding of the direction..
      What would you take from the past (USSR) today? In modern Russia I don’t see any advantages at all... those that existed are already excluded... and judging by the vector, movement towards North Korea, only with a feudal overtone...
      1. -2
        February 11 2024
        What would you take from the past (USSR) today?

        At one time I had a series of articles on this subject here. In short, I would take the system of social guarantees and the Strong State model as the main customer and monopolist in a number of areas. I am impressed by the supranational design of the state - I think that we need “Union 2.0” as a territorial entity, however, not on the basis of any ideology, but on the basis of the idea of ​​mutual benefit of the participants and their adequate group representation in international affairs. Something rather reminiscent of a hybrid of the EU and the USSR on a confederal basis (with the exception of the so-called “fraternal peoples”, which definitely need to be included in the Russian Federation). Ideally, future integration within such an association would facilitate its transition from a confederation to a federation and a unitary state, but without haste and over a very long lag.
        But I stepped aside.
        I believe that our state should make significant efforts to stimulate the birth rate through the institutions of lifelong low-interest annuity for young families and “children’s accounts”, to which, from birth to the 20th birthday, everyone born from two citizens of the Russian Federation and in the Russian Federation would receive funds that would cover from 1 /3 to 1/2 of the cost of housing (a certain abstract amount depending on the average market markup, construction costs, etc. in the country).
        You could say this is an analogue of the USSR practice of issuing public housing, but much more modernized. The issue of housing in our country with its climate is key, both for the economy and for the birth rate and moral state of society.

        I am very impressed by “free medicine,” but this model needs to be significantly reworked, dividing it into policy, free and paid parts. Someone always pays for everything, and everything needs to be organized so that this “someone” does not have the opportunity to lobby for these expenses to the detriment of people’s real health. Ideally, of course, as the state grows economically, simply expand the list of “free” services covered by the state or compensate them to the level of symbolic costs for the citizen. But it won’t come out of thin air, like any resources - you have to go for it.

        I am impressed by “free education”, but it, of course, is also never free. Some money from the taxes of your ancestors and you (in the future) covers this “free” to a large extent, so perhaps it would be better to just pull these schemes out from under the hood and give people the opportunity to somehow influence it, including through voluntary contributions, participation in any movements useful for the state, etc. In short, we need to somehow hybridize this scheme, making it more commercially interoperable - for example, I want 2 educations, so now, should the state pay for everything for me? And if I want three, and if I give up one in the 2nd year, and if I want an education overseas, is it possible for me to extract the funds accumulated for my education and use it for this, and so on. The world has changed since the time of the union and the principle itself cannot be returned unchanged.
        Definitely, the state should compensate teenage children for sections, clubs and electives - by a large percentage. At the same time, if it were frankly “free”, I think that would not be beneficial. Economic laws also help people make better choices; without them, everyone would want to skydive and dive.

        The very idea of ​​a state that covers its own needs and creates exceptional conditions for its people is attractive to me. At the same time, in the USSR these were often words or half measures. I believe that THIS specifically should be the purpose of the country’s existence.
        1. +1
          February 11 2024
          At one time I had a series of articles on this subject here

          Have you published under the same nickname?
          Thank you for your answer... in short, you are essentially for socialism... and I agree with you here.
          As well as the fact that it is necessary to focus on internal problems and in the future create USSR 2.0 but on a more solid foundation... and on your own example of success...
          As for education... it is clear that it should be free. As well as medicine, science and, of course, in every possible way to stimulate the birth rate..
          A very interesting and extensive topic... I would read your articles with interest, if you have any, please send me the links hi
          1. -1
            February 11 2024
            Yes, here. Everything is in the profile. You can say that yes, I am for socialism, but I don’t care how canonically we achieve it and what methods we use to get there. The result would be important to me and that in the process of achieving it we would not go through 7 circles of hell. You need to understand how the mechanisms work and choose the best ones without dividing them into “canonical and non-canonical”. Capitalism is a tool and it can and should be used to get closer to something better.
            1. 0
              February 11 2024
              You can say that yes, I am for socialism, but I don’t care how canonically we achieve it and what methods we use to get there.

              Like me.. dogmatism does not work.. history shows this.. the world is plastic and the main goal is man.. the state for man.. and nothing else.. The power of capitalism is in competition.. and until capitalism turns into a monopoly , there is benefit from it .. but when a monopoly is already a disaster .. For this reason, the largest enterprises in the field of natural resources should belong to the state, and small and medium-sized ones can serve large ones and compete .. of course .. again, here a judicial and legislative question arises.. all this should be under the control of the state.. and clearly regulated..
      2. -1
        February 11 2024
        The main disadvantage of the modern model, I see, is that many here confuse it with the “lack of ideology.”
        No, this is not a lack of ideology, gentlemen and ladies - it is simply a stagnant, archaic perception of the “state”. Like some kind of system with gilded sides, existing spherically in a vacuum in order to “show someone something”, surprise, impress, I don’t know, with ballet, #nuclearweapons, some kind of shitty pathos, some style tricks "Chinese circus" Well, everything else in such a model is just that, a “troupe” that gilds domes, tears up TV screens, paints facades and writes long, promising speeches that should make the world shudder over and over again.

        The state should be for the people and not for someone’s “Kuzka’s mother”. Your house is not a battering ram that will shake the gates of Babylon, it should be your cozy house, in which it is pleasant and convenient to live, in which it is clean, beautiful, free and successful. For some reason, we don’t understand such a simple thing. Now we are moving away from this even more, plunging into some kind of toxic slurry and losing faith in tomorrow. They either want to destroy Babylon with our house, or to impress some third-party people, or to slowly sell it brick by brick, we are increasingly being told how we should behave in it and what to do, what to think about, what to say - so often that they already arise doubts, is this our house? Or are we just sitting in it like custodians in the museum halls.
        We should probably think about this, because a house is a house - it is not a moldy museum or a barracks with foot wraps. We need a country for people, focused on people, their needs, their convenience in everything. Until we achieve this, we will not achieve real greatness, even if the gilded sides rub 100500 fixies every day and the copper pipes tear off our eardrums.
        1. 0
          February 12 2024
          “The state should be for the people and not for someone’s “Kuzka’s mother.”

          And why is that? This is just people's opinion, but it doesn't matter.

          The state is for those in power. If ordinary people can somehow influence the government, then their interests will be taken into account somehow, if not, then not.
  27. +6
    February 11 2024
    I started reading the article. The selection of statements from my colleagues included in it is not sufficient, but I always upvote the comments of these people, especially Shishkin, who was downvoted by his colleagues. Without leaving my own comments (typing is very difficult, reading is much easier), but reading a lot of what is on the site, as well as listening to a lot of the opposition on YouTube, I came to the conclusion:
    The trend in modern public space is that no one is campaigning for anything. Society is divided into loosely connected groups of people, united around the leaders of public opinion - LOMs, and each of the groups independently squeezes out those who disagree through a ban. To paraphrase a famous quote, we can say this:
    reasoners and doubters are no longer needed, but the faithful are needed.
    As a result, the disunity of public consciousness reaches a critical mass, and we are blamed, they say, why are you so ununited, unconsolidated... A ban is a sign of weakness, lack of confidence in the strength of your idea. For example, the epigraph to the article is taken from the works of a certain Petrov. But once upon a time we had a certain Petrov here, in the debate, who, according to my estimates, was an intelligence officer on duty. He was respected by me, he said interesting things that would now go off with a bang, but on someone’s tip he was banned. It’s bad, because it doesn’t train the ability to object, to debate competently...
    Vyacheslav Olegovich seems to be going against the flow, constantly running into trouble, and that’s wonderful! Because it presupposes a diversity of opinions.
    For example, for the same train tickets I will note the following. In the 70s and 80s, I came to the station in Moscow two hours before the departure of the Moscow - Sukhumi train and took a ticket for a reserved seat (from childhood my parents taught me to be careful; a compartment was dangerous). And she also took a return ticket from her city to Moscow. And all this - at the height of the holiday season, and also taking into account the fact that my town, in terms of the local population, was smaller than the population of the village near Moscow in which I live now, and the number of vacationers was such that the locals sometimes rented out not only houses , but also outbuildings, and they themselves slept under a canopy in the yard. Many millions of vacationers came to little Abkhazia, with a population then barely reaching half a million. And there were no problems with tickets! Two or three days before departure, a 100% ticket could be taken without registering in any queue. Sometimes those who were especially restless and preoccupied would come to the box office and buy tickets a week in advance...
    So maybe it's all about the organization of train traffic? Number of trains during the holiday season? And also in the local cashiers who didn’t think of making a feeder out of ticket sales? In Crimea, apparently, they guessed it.
    1. +3
      February 11 2024
      In general, we have always had a problem with organizing a competent and useful discussion, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I even wrote an article about this here - that children need to instill these skills from an early age, because this is a real problem. In our country, it’s easier for people to punch each other in the face or end up with obscenities and rottenness than to approach the truth from both ends of it, let alone creating something useful out of it, this is generally excluded.
      This is our problem, it prevents us from growing above ourselves, drawing the right conclusions and choosing the best paths. The discussion around the USSR is a litmus test showing how our society is approaching an understanding of the complex nature of things and its own role in what was yesterday, is today and will be tomorrow. The long-term course of this discussion shows me personally that it is not moving anywhere - either at all or practically. Our society is absolutely philosophically inert, in addition to the fact that it is also very divided ideologically and aesthetically, as you noted. I don’t see any progress in this direction - for me these are clear signals of regression and stagnation, and in the long term this is generally what destroys civilizations.
      1. +4
        February 11 2024
        10000 +..
        The discussion around the USSR is a litmus test showing how our society is approaching an understanding of the complex nature of things and its own role in what was yesterday, is today and will be tomorrow. The long-term course of this discussion shows me personally that it is not moving anywhere - either at all or practically

        You are absolutely right..instead of drawing conclusions and moving forward..everyone is walking in circles..living in the past, or avoiding living in the present..I think this situation has been created...the idea of ​​communism has been fragmented into dozens of parties..thereby introducing internal discord...at the same time they created the United Russia...which is monolithic, but defends personal interests...although it would be reasonable to leave the socialist party and the democratic one...
        I don’t see any progress in this direction - for me these are clear signals of regression and stagnation, and in the long term this is generally what destroys civilizations.

        So it is.. there is no positive agenda.. society is divided and the gap is only widening.. hi
        1. +1
          February 11 2024
          ...created United Russia... which is monolithic, but defends personal interests... although it would be reasonable to leave the socialist party and the democratic one...


          Voooot!
          This is what I talked about either in ’19 or ’20. But in a slightly different way.
          I suggested the following.
          Since we have capitalism, and even oligarchs have appeared, well, split in half, oligarchs, using a certain selection criterion, and create two parties. One is conditional conservatives, the second is conditional progressors, visionaries (democrats, for example). Create programs that are attractive to all segments of the population, nominate decent leaders - let them fight among themselves for the presidency of the country. Due to the need to fulfill at least something of what was promised in the election program, the party that comes to power will give at least something to the people. I remember that we even discussed candidates then, in particular Dyumin. But no, the hypertrophied all-consuming “United Russia”, suppressing everything around itself with endless prohibitions, is a visual image of one part of the oligarchs, and this despite the fact that the other part has not gone away!
          And now, instead of a competitive electoral process, we are witnessing a battle of bulldogs under the carpet, one that hits the squares, rather than targeting the enemy. Do you know what people say?
          They say that the recent Internet shutdowns are not FSB exercises at all, but the actions of that very party of oligarchs, which is incognito, fighting United Russia under the carpet and showing its capabilities. And it turns out that he is fighting with United Russia, but everyone who works remotely via the Internet got it. Banks, again, etc. This is called "by area". And if we had a normal electoral process, there would be no harm from it at all, only benefit.
          1. +2
            February 11 2024
            They say that the recent Internet shutdowns are not FSB exercises at all,

            There was a riot in Bashkiria... which the security forces had to suppress, since a lot of people gathered with protest sentiments... then there was a shutdown and slowdown of the Internet...
            Since we have capitalism, and even oligarchs have appeared, well, split in half, oligarchs, using a certain selection criterion, and create two parties.

            This is essentially how it is now, all the oligarchs in the Duma make laws for themselves... I propose leaving two parties 50/50... where there will be democrats (oligarchs) and socialists who should defend the interests of the common people... another question, how to make them work for the good.. hi
            1. +2
              February 11 2024
              ..I propose leaving two parties 50/50..where there will be democrats (oligarchs) and socialists who should defend the interests of the common people..another question is how to make them work for the good..

              Vladimir, the oligarchs will not unite into one party! Those who are near the president can barely tolerate each other, and those who stand on the sidelines not only hate each other, but also those close to the throne. They only have momentary associations on the occasion...

              Well, okay, let’s say they go and create a party, start nominating their own speaker, who should run for president, and suddenly they discover that they won’t find someone kinder to them, more responsive and loyal to their weaknesses than Putin.
              And the people? You try to unite this broad mass within the boundaries of a general condition so that the leader put forward by it is capable of meeting a huge range of opposing wishes, is incorruptible, strong, energetic, eloquent, loyal to the voter and is not killed by one of the voters. Even if we assume that the people will raise money for his election campaign. For example, I would never vote for Duntsova, Navalny, Strelkov, and especially for Nadezhdin - these are shadows of the past, outdated and helpless political material, trash. And choosing them only because someone has an urgent need for a new face is ridiculous.
              And again, if we accept your concept. Well, here it is, the party of oligarchs - United Russia. And there is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, “New People”, who nominated the rather young and handsome Davankov as a candidate with a completely social program - a “populist”, so to speak. Well, please, vote, choose! Still there! Why don’t people vote and get elected, huh?
              1. +2
                February 11 2024
                And there is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, “New People”, who nominated the rather young and handsome Davankov as a candidate with a completely social program - a “populist”, so to speak. Well, please, vote, choose! Still there! Why don’t people vote and get elected, huh?

                Because these are pocket parties.. and there is no election.. lawns are painted all around.. that’s why people don’t choose.. And this, of course, is a big problem.. only the people began to think that they can influence something.. how very quickly the gates of opportunity have been closed.. that’s why I say that we are moving towards S. Korea.. just not towards communism but feudalism..
                For example, I would never vote for Duntsova, Navalny, Strelkov, and especially for Nadezhdin

                They did this on purpose...they created elections without choice...They got scared of Nadezhdin and removed him...and for the sake of protest I would vote for anyone...just not for the one who has been in power for 30 years and is making people’s lives worse and worse...
                1. +3
                  February 11 2024
                  These words are:
                  Because these are pocket parties... and there is no election... they paint lawns all around... that’s why people don’t choose...

                  Hence the conclusion.
                  Since we have oligarchic capitalism, therefore repressive and unfriendly towards the population, the organization of at least two parties fighting each other for power is possible only from above.
                  But our capitalism cannot even do this, since its stability will be undermined. And he, meanwhile, wanting to catch up with history, is feverishly busy with several things that are most important to him:

                  1. redistribution of large property in favor of a group of oligarchs close to the throne;

                  2. the establishment of a social system in which the inheritance by descendants of the power powers inherited by the family in one form or another will finally be, if not legally formalized, then at least take the form of a stable, generally recognized tradition that does not cause resistance from the Shirnarmass. That is, the complete detachment of the top of the power pyramid in the form of a set of “noble families” from the lower part of its stone body;

                  3. recognition of established Russian “noble families” by many closed international clubs such as Bilderberg, which is an extremely difficult task;

                  4. preservation of Russia in one piece due to the uneven distribution of feeding territories over its area. There is oil here, and coal there, gas somewhere else, there is no such thing as it being together.

                  Perhaps I missed something. In any case, until these four points are fulfilled in any order, the power pyramid will perceive the ordinary population as an inevitable evil, from which it is necessary, if possible, to get rid of one way or another, or by other means depriving them of activity.
                  Our task is to preserve ourselves.
                  1. +1
                    February 12 2024
                    “Perhaps I missed something. In any case, until these four points are fulfilled in any order, the power pyramid will perceive the ordinary population as an inevitable evil, from which it is necessary, if possible, to get rid of it in one way or another, or by depriving it in other ways activity."

                    It doesn’t matter whether you missed something or not - what has been stated is quite enough.

                    The current situation, IMHO, can develop in two directions.

                    1. There is a certain leader who is supported by the population, and he arranges a “redistribution” or “perestroika”. The leader can be either from the ranks of power or from the plow, depending on your luck. What ideas he will implement and what result “perestroika” will lead to is unknown; it is known that the situation will change radically. The result can be different - from the disintegration of the country to general prosperity.

                    2. Everything goes on as it goes and comes to the complete loss of the already weak connection between the government and the people, who are also decreasing quantitatively (which cannot be said about the government). There is only one option - disintegration.
                  2. -1
                    February 12 2024
                    In any case, until these four points are fulfilled in any order, the power pyramid will perceive the ordinary population as an inevitable evil,

                    I agree... the indigenous population poses a danger... but at the same time they also represent a food supply... at the moment the danger is to a lesser extent, but the situation can change at any moment. hi
                    1. 0
                      February 12 2024
                      . I agree... the indigenous population poses a danger... but at the same time they also represent a food supply...

                      The food supply can be created from migrants - be it yellow or black - not a problem, we can solve the problem, there is a successful world practice.
                      But!... Russians as a food source for power are excluded on their own territory. Precisely because she is theirs.
                      Oh, if you only knew how tired everything is! Hypocrisy and lies on all sides. And everything that is now happening in Russia, initiated either by the authorities or by the liberal opposition - “at home” and abroad, is intended to cover up with the help of verbal fluff and exaggerated sensational revelations the main crime of the liberal Russian authorities against the Russian people, I emphasize this - Russian! According to my calculations, the tragedy will begin in 2028, when large masses of people begin to retire and discover that there is no pension. Because the pension reform has come to its end. Russians have gone through the disintegration of the large family, we are urbanized, few of us know our closest relatives due to the spread of our nation over a vast territory, we do not have clans of a hundred or more people who will not let a pensioner legally deprived of a pension go to waste. As a result, left without a livelihood, old people will begin to sell apartments in order to move to smaller ones and live on the remaining money, secondary housing will sharply fall in price - I don’t even want to imagine what will happen next. Taking into account the fact that the adult children of pensioners, having come to their senses, will begin to save for their old age and claim a share in the pre-retirement apartment, the fate of the majority of elderly people retiring in the absence of this very pension will be terrible. It is in India and the USA that you can live on the street, eat from a garbage can, and even often receive help from volunteers - they have such a culture, customs and most importantly - the climate! Try being homeless in our conditions, when an army of beggars attacks garbage cans, train stations, store lobbies... This is what awaits the Russians. This is intended to veil any high-profile events and discussions. I’m talking about the bleak background for us, ordinary citizens, against which the four points I listed will be implemented.
                      1. -1
                        February 12 2024
                        This is what awaits the Russians.

                        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, unfortunately... but your forecasts will most likely come true... I think that for the best, you should go to the village... have your own farm... and rent out an apartment... perhaps this is the only way out... hi
                      2. 0
                        February 12 2024
                        . I think that the best thing to do would be to go to the village... have your own farm... and rent out an apartment... perhaps this is the only way out...


                        So, someone who disagrees came and downvoted.
                        And he does this not because you and I are telling lies, but because we have stepped on his optimism. The bitter truth always hurts, no one loves it.
                        You are right about the village. Let's postpone the discussion until next time when the audience is larger.
                      3. 0
                        February 12 2024
                        So, someone who disagrees came and downvoted.

                        It’s not always those who disagree who are downvoted...there are those who are very touchy...and show their feelings in this way)
                        You are right about the village. Let's postpone the discussion until next time when the audience is larger.


                        With great pleasure! hi
          2. +1
            February 13 2024
            “Since we have capitalism, and even oligarchs have appeared, well, split in half, oligarchs, using a certain selection criterion, and create two parties.”

            Why do they need this? They may well agree, divide and cut.
  28. +2
    February 11 2024
    And the question is, if our trains ran so well, why were there always not enough tickets for them? Moreover, that year it was reported that 1,5 million people came to Anapa. But last year, when we again vacationed in the Krasnodar Territory, and the year before, 1,5 million people also vacationed in Anapa. That is, since 1979, the number of vacationers in this city has not decreased, but for some reason there are now enough train tickets there.

    I would venture to assume that due to the redirection of transport flows to profitable routes by reducing or eliminating transportation to low-demand regions. Russia is shrinking around large cities, and Russian Railways is predictably focusing on revenue-generating areas. In the USSR, the approach was different - maximum coverage by the transport network of all regions of the country, including remote and hard-to-reach ones, was put at the forefront. Then it was considered more important that an engineer could get or even fly to some Vilyuisk or, say, Sevsk without problems, and today - that a writer could relax in Anapa without problems.
    So there is nothing paradoxical or surprising in the discrepancy between statistics and someone’s personal memories.
  29. +1
    February 11 2024
    “In 1989, a large group of young reformers went to Chile to learn from Pinochet’s experience; there were Naishul, Chubais, Lvin, Vasiliev, Boldyrev and many others. Everyone returned in complete delight. In the fall of 1989, we had very difficult discussions on this topic. After the trip, they thought this way: to make the population poor in order to depreciate the value of labor, and our not very good goods would become competitive due to their cheapness. Concentrate resources in the hands of a few so that those few can compete in the international market.
    I told them: these methods will lead to strikes and the collapse of the country. They replied that they understand this, because the main task is to first destroy the trade unions. I objected that it is possible to negotiate with trade unions, but without them there will be radicals and “wild” protests. Their response to my remark was stunned: “What, we don’t have machine guns?”
    People from Gaidar’s team generally talked about the destruction of the state: “The more we destroy, the harder it will be to restore what was before.” When I heard this, I realized that we were not on the same path. Their idea of ​​strong power is not the idea of ​​a state, but of a dictator who breaks the people over his knees and carries out reforms. The phrase “breaking through the knee” appeared quite early in this environment.”
    .

    Vyacheslav Igrunov, former dissident, from memories of the 90s.
  30. +1
    February 11 2024
    From 1978 to 1985 Almost every summer we went with our parents to Crimea by train. The “horrors” described by the author never happened with tickets.
    They bought round-trip tickets at home and there were no “multi-week night vigils” near the ticket office, there were queues, sometimes several hours, but nothing more...
    And this despite the fact that train tickets were many times cheaper and, accordingly, demand was higher...
    1. -3
      February 11 2024
      Quote: vitls
      From 1978 to 1985 Almost every summer we went with our parents to Crimea by train. The “horrors” described by the author never happened with tickets.
      They bought round-trip tickets at home and there were no “multi-week night vigils” near the ticket office, there were queues, sometimes several hours, but nothing more...
      And this despite the fact that train tickets were many times cheaper and, accordingly, demand was higher...

      Each one had their own experience, their own story. Mine does not cancel yours, yours does not cancel mine...
    2. 0
      February 12 2024
      Quote: vitls
      We bought round-trip tickets at home

      This simple life skill - buying round-trip tickets at once - is not given to everyone from birth.laughing
  31. BAI
    +1
    February 11 2024
    In 1982 I flew to Sukhumi and back. I bought tickets right away in Moscow. There were no problems. The trip, by the way, was free. I only paid for the plane - 24 rubles (round trip).
  32. +1
    February 11 2024
    Quote: kalibr
    And we are getting better every year.

    Well, of course, “life has become better, life has become more fun.” ©
    Within the boundaries of the Moscow Ring Road.
    1. -3
      February 11 2024
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Within the boundaries of the Moscow Ring Road.

      And in Penza!
      1. +2
        February 11 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        And in Penza!

        I’m glad for you that in Penza it’s no worse than in Moscow. My sister lives in Rzhev, 230 km from Moscow, wants to sell her apartment and move closer to Moscow, at least to Volokolamsk.
  33. +3
    February 11 2024
    Warm greetings from Anapa)))
    1. -2
      February 11 2024
      Quote: Garri
      Warm greetings from Anapa

      Thank you! I love this city. I was in Anapa in 1969,78,79,80, 85, 91, 92, then a break until 2005 (Taman), then... 2021,2022...near Anapa, but I visited there too. You can say the city, like my Penza, is changing before my eyes!
  34. +1
    February 12 2024
    Perhaps a very realistic picture of holidays during the Soviet era. To this we can add dirty toilets on trains, tired, exhausted, nervous and often rude conductors, scandalous and rude cashiers at stations, probably from overload. By the way, from my own experience, if you came with a voucher, even from a serious enterprise, you could be stuck in a room behind the screen of a summer cinema, without a toilet or water, and your number probably went to the left. Perhaps here, too, a scandal was needed, or a bribe, or a call from a good, authoritative person. I have no desire to discredit the times of the USSR, I simply call things by their proper names. Disadvantages, they are also shortcomings in Africa, either they exist or they don’t. Is it worth denying what happened and what became the catalyst for the collapse of the USSR. Holiday conditions with such adventures created a feeling of inferiority, dissatisfaction, and formed an unfair imbalance in the income of the population of the southern regions of the USSR and the central ones. All that was necessary to create was reasonable competition between recreational areas for the population, which exists today, and to maintain redundancy of supply to ensure quality service. Today, when vacationers can change their destination abroad, it stimulates the southern regions to improve the level of service provided to the population. If you serve poorly, there will be no vacationers next season. This is right.
  35. +1
    February 12 2024
    Quote: kalibr
    a lot of people have suffered genetic injuries

    What would that mean? Which parts of the genome were damaged?
    1. -4
      February 12 2024
      Quote: acetophenon
      What would that mean? Which parts of the genome were damaged?

      I read that bullet wounds spoil genetics for about a year. Then it is restored. Faster if you have lemon, oranges, black caviar. After 45 there were many wounded. They returned and...started making children. Plus booze. What would it be like without her? We got used to 100 grams. As a result, many children were born with defects in mental and physical development. Not so obvious, but... enough. And then the consequences of nuclear tests were added to them. And the radiation received in childhood makes people stupid.
  36. 0
    February 12 2024
    “It is possible that one of the readers of our site was vacationing in Anapa just at that time. Let me remind you that the railway “beach” ticket office then stood in a vacant lot in the place where the “Aquapark” is now located.”

    No, then I didn’t have to.

    I was on vacation in Gelendzhik in 1980. I immediately bought tickets to and from there - and I always do this.

    One day, around 2010, I was on the verge of a foul when we got stuck in a traffic jam in Sochi and barely managed to get on the train (10 minutes before departure we flew into the carriage). There was no money, and for 3-4 days I would have to hang around in an unknown place and explain something at work - mine and my wife's. Buying tickets from the south on the same day is still a problem today.
  37. +1
    February 12 2024
    Everything is great, but a purchased can of epoxy is beyond the bounds. The resin had to be obtained. Steal from production, from some special workshops. I went and bought it, haha, and in Anapa.
    1. -1
      February 12 2024
      Quote: vladimych
      Steal from production, from some special workshops.

      Alexei! What production? Sea, beach, relaxation... And I also have to run around the “workshops”. I went to the hardware store and bought some EDP glue. That's what he coated with it. Rounded glass pebbles do not shine, only wet ones do. But after coating, the EAFs became shiny like... precious stones. Then, by the way, I inserted a description of working with this material into my book “From everything at hand” (1987, Minsk. “Polymya”)
      1. +1
        February 12 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        But after coating, the EAFs became shiny like... precious stones. Then, by the way, I inserted a description of working with this material into my book “From everything at hand” (1987, Minsk. “Polymya”)


        :) Are you stuck in Central Asia? I have a keychain on my car keys - a scorpion in resin, my daughter gave it to me... Bought, however, in Voronezh, but we don’t have scorpions.
        1. 0
          February 12 2024
          Quote: S.Z.
          Are you stuck in Central Asia? I have a keychain on my car keys - a scorpion in resin, my daughter gave it to me...

          No. But I've seen these. I wanted to do it, but EAF is not very transparent, and I didn’t have the actual resin.
  38. +1
    February 12 2024
    Quote: MCmaximus
    If they had saved a little on tanks and invested in transport, resorts, and just everyday life, they would never have had to bury the USSR. As if the development of construction and transport does not develop the country....
    There would be no need to save on tanks. It was possible to save money by helping “socialist-oriented countries”, in which every leader who climbed down from the tree yesterday could put on a badge with Lenin’s profile on his loincloth, and, having learned to pronounce “I am malksizya-leninizya,” fly to Moscow to “dear Nikita Sergeevich,” and then to no less “dear Leonid Ilyich” for money.
    It would have been possible to save a lot of money if Transcaucasia and Central Asia were placed under the conditions of the RSFSR and the BSSR.
    There was no need to disperse the sector of industrial cooperation and handicrafts, which under Joseph Vissarionovich solved a lot of problems, which then fell on various ministries.
    1. +1
      February 12 2024
      Quote: Seal
      There was no need to disperse the sector of industrial cooperation and handicrafts, which under Joseph Vissarionovich solved a lot of problems, which then fell on various ministries.


      Probably it was the liquidation of the NEP that was the main mistake of the Bolsheviks, or Stalin personally. Small enterprises in the form of cafes, restaurants, small hotels and the production of a variety of clothing and household appliances would add variety to the life of the population and increase incomes. There would be no need to create so many control structures, in the form of OBKhSS, etc., as unnecessary. And it would hardly be necessary to engage in terrorism either. But apparently the Bolsheviks are designed this way, at the genetic level, they cannot do without intimidation...
  39. +3
    February 12 2024
    “The railway transport system of the USSR transported 2–3 times more cargo than in the USA,
    and passenger turnover was tens of times higher.” A. B. Petrov

    First of all, in the USA people had their own cars. And some even have two or more pieces.
    Secondly, in the United States, passengers used aviation more widely.
    As for freight transportation, alas, in the USSR there was a huge percentage of oncoming traffic. So coal from Donbass was transported to Siberia and the Far East, and coal from Kuzbass was transported to the Baltic states.
    1. 0
      February 13 2024
      If you still commit a great sin against Shpakovsky and read the statistical data “Dynamics of Railway Transportation...” for 1992, then the coefficient of empty transportation in the USA was higher than in the USSR. This is natural because in the USSR transportation was planned centrally. That is, the result is in favor of the USSR.

      But it doesn’t matter... It turns out that this was compensated by “high speed and rhythm”.... laughing

      The situation is like this: when they remember “Soviet”, it means that “the girls were young,” and when they remember “anti-Soviet,” it means that you don’t need to trust reference books.
  40. +1
    February 12 2024
    Quote: Des
    except for the generals Voroshilov and Fabritius."
    No, okay, they are. Fabricius is the general. But to them. Voroshilov why “general”? Yes, one could meet lieutenants in Voroshilov. Seniors. laughing
    The bulk, of course, from captain to colonel inclusive.
    Yes, the generals probably also rested in the suites. But they were definitely an absolute minority.
  41. 0
    February 12 2024
    “The railway transport system of the USSR transported 2–3 times more cargo than in the USA,
    and passenger turnover was tens of times higher.” A. B. Petrov
    Oh, what a shame. To me !!! I completely forgot that the USSR was probably the only country in the world in which subways were on the balance sheet of the Ministry of Railways. And, accordingly, all passengers transported by the USSR subways were counted as passengers transported by the USSR Ministry of Railways. That is, this very railway transport system of the USSR, the passenger turnover of which was tens of times higher crying
    1. -1
      February 13 2024
      And who is A. B. Petrov? Try to find a source for this last name... Who is the classic of Marxism Wardenheart?
      While the link is not given in full, I will note to you that heh.... heh.... they spit in the faces of fools, and they replicate this spit.....
    2. +1
      February 13 2024
      I understand Shpakovsky and even Nevzorov perfectly well........ The impression from the "historical process" can be such that a normal person will feel sick... IT'S LIKE A NEWBY IN THE MORGUE OR IN THE OPERATING ROOM
    3. +1
      February 13 2024
      “System” is, of course, solid.... But according to modern reference books, cargo turnover in Russia in the 10 years after 1991 decreased by two and a half times.... And what is the reason? Did there become more order in the 90s?
      Here's the "system" for you......
    4. +1
      February 13 2024
      Someone decided not to believe that subways in the USSR were part of the USSR Ministry of Railways?
      In vain!!!!
  42. 0
    February 13 2024
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: acetophenon
    What would that mean? Which parts of the genome were damaged?

    I read that bullet wounds spoil genetics for about a year.

    Advice from a Soviet chemist: NEVER read anything these authors write again. They are inveterate liars and charlatans.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. 0
        February 13 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: acetophenon
        Advice from a Soviet chemist: NEVER read anything these authors write again. They are inveterate liars and charlatans.

        What are you doing? Are you crazy? /.....You offend all the owl wankers. This is not good.

        It's much worse. Politics is not your strong point at all... just emotions.
        You can give a general assessment of the article. The bottom line is that her plan is objectively the following: “If she remembers the “scoop”, it’s because “the girls were young in the USSR,” and if she remembers the “anti-soviet,” then you don’t even have to believe the statistical tables.”
        It's not that it's "not good". It is not right.
        1. +1
          February 13 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          It is not right.

          Ivan! Have you looked at how many views and comments there are? So everything is correct! Even more than that. And the rating for today is 13.30 - Rating: 2. And you will still tell me “not my strong point.” Ha! The voice of the people is the voice of God!
          1. +1
            February 13 2024
            Now I understand that politics is emotions.
  43. ANB
    0
    February 13 2024
    . That is, since 1979, the number of vacationers in this city has not decreased, but for some reason there are now enough train tickets there.

    Everything is simpler.
    Train tickets are now so expensive that people travel to Anapa by car. Buying a car now is no problem, the trip is much cheaper.
  44. +1
    February 14 2024
    This was the norm in the USSR. I'm talking about train and air tickets. Why is not at all clear. It was a planned economy, where it was known how many people would go in what period and where. The USSR produced a ton of aircraft every year, Tu-154/134, Yak-40/42, Il-62/86, etc. Cars, locomotives. Plus the socialist countries supplied. And here’s the question: If you understand that from Simferopol to Moscow you need 10 flights a day in the high season, and you have 9 planned, why ..... you don’t put a tenth flight and talk about a shortage? I remember well that my father bought us return tickets from Sukhumi to Moscow in August through the reservation of his ministry. And this despite the fact that 350 local Il-86s were flying.
    1. 0
      February 19 2024
      And then “Gaidar saved the country” in a couple of weeks at the beginning of 1992 and you still still don’t understand where it all suddenly came from, what “didn’t exist in the USSR” .... Yes....
      The case is serious and widespread. I believe that there is no longer any chance of recovery.
  45. 0
    February 21 2024
    Quote: kalibr
    ...only after three
    generations, slavery would have been abolished in their minds.

    belay
    There was no slavery in Russia (Rus), unlike in Europe or, for example, the USA.
    But the former communists who changed their shoes in flight with a deflection (teachers of the history of Marxism-Leninism, with the hereditary flexibility of a corrugated hose) do not know this)))
    Let's read, for starters, Spitsin's story.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"