How can a prosperous state be destroyed? The results of Israel's 4-month war with Hamas terrorists

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How can a prosperous state be destroyed? The results of Israel's 4-month war with Hamas terrorists

Have you noticed how quietly, practically without bravura articles and interviews with heroes of large and small victories over terrorists, Israel greets the end of the first 4 months of the blitzkrieg, which Prime Minister Netanyahu promised on October 7 last year? Do you remember how almost the whole world was amazed by his statement?

The Gaza Strip must be destroyed, and the entire population, as supporters of terrorists, must be driven out to other countries or regions. Those who remain in the city are automatically equated to terrorists and destroyed. Hamas as an organization must disappear completely.



Remember how then, in October, the famous Western formula “this is different” worked. Bombing of civilian objects, destruction of entire neighborhoods along with their residents, attacks on hospitals, schools, mosques and churches, etc. They tried to pass off thousands of dead Palestinian civilians as terrorists and their accomplices.

And at the same time, any Ukrainian who died during attacks on military targets was presented as a victim of fanatics from the Russian army. How again we remembered the fakes with Bucha and so on. But after, despite Israel’s strict prohibitions, objective materials from Western journalists and Hamas terrorists began leaking from Gaza, the West suddenly “forgot” everything again and fell silent.

What do we have for today? What are the results of the war of the most high-tech army in the world against terrorists with Kalashnikovs and missiles made from water pipes? Probably, some of our readers from Israel will be offended, but... in the world the state of Israel has always been perceived as a Jewish state. State of the people - victims of genocide, victims of the Holocaust.

Alas, in my opinion, with its stupid, even criminal policies, and especially the war to exterminate the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip, Israel has become an executioner state in the eyes of a huge number of the world's population. Alas, the stupidity of the Jewish state will come back to haunt Jews all over the world. For those who have nothing to do with Israel...

And quite difficult times are coming for the Jewish state itself. If you look at the political map of the world today, it becomes clear that this country is surrounded by enemies on all sides except the sea. Whether this country will be able to survive in this situation or disappear in the near future is still unclear to me. Some kind of foreign body in the Middle East. Rogue state...

Alas, the Jews themselves will have to rethink a lot. As it turned out, the majority of those who received passports from this state and shouted at all corners about their patriotism successfully scurried out of there at the first danger. It turns out that Israel was used as the very “state meter”. borders" for trips to the West. Does Israel need such patriotic citizens?

The most technologically advanced and most powerful in the region?


Speaking about the war in the Gaza Strip, one cannot ignore the topic of the most publicized army in the world - the IDF. After all, it was this army that was supposed to show the terrorists “Kuzka’s mother.” Moreover, the majority of Israelis are directly related to the army structures. The majority are both men and women. Remember how actively they promoted this army in the press and on the Internet. How Jews from different countries specially came to Israel to serve in this army.

The IDF received its first “click on the nose” on October 7, when the missile-impenetrable “iron dome” turned out to be full of holes. Few people write about this, but most of the Hamas rockets hit where they were aimed! The first couple of months I asked the Israelis about this and received the same answer: “Yes, our army shit its pants and missed the attack. But now is not the time to figure it out. We’ll leave everything for “after the war”...

So, the high-tech, almost half-million-strong Israeli army entered into confrontation with a 30-strong terrorist organization. The number of terrorists was named by the Israelis themselves. Despite the victorious reports that poured in from a cornucopia from the first days of the war, about a third of them were destroyed in four months. 10 thousand! At the same time, the losses of the IDF itself are hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded.

As a result? Zero point zero! After what the Israeli army did and is doing in Gaza, Hamas’s losses are more than covered by those who want to avenge their dead relatives and friends. For those officially confirmed 27 thousand dead, of which 11 thousand Palestinian children, 8 thousand Palestinian women. For 65 thousand wounded and 8 thousand missing. Aren't there too many civilians for 10 thousand terrorists?

But there are another 350 thousand chronically ill people and 60 thousand pregnant women who today cannot receive medical care due to the lack of doctors. The IDF is not particularly concerned with such trifles as international law or any moral norms and traditions of war. In four months, the death of 337 doctors has been officially confirmed! Let's add 119 journalists...

The army turned out to be more of a pretty picture than a real army. The soldiers, judging by the losses, are far from “Rambo”. Tanks They burn beautifully, judging by the videos from Internet channels. The conscripts are openly cowardly and do not engage in battle with terrorists. This is probably why today we see the IDF withdrawing its ground units from Gaza.

And what a kick the Israeli army received from the Lebanese Hezbollah. For how many decades it was believed that Israel could, without much effort, destroy this organization. More recently, the Israelis, having convinced themselves of their invincibility, provoked Hezbollah with their shelling of Lebanese territory. Tel Aviv probably thought that everything would be as usual. The Americans will get involved, and Lebanon will pretend that nothing serious happened. But…

The United States now itself does not know how to get out of the situation it created. I'm talking about the Houthis of Yemen. For some reason they were not afraid of the Americans and continue to block the Red Sea. Traditional bombing of populated areas inside Yemen does not bring results. Only missiles in response. Washington doesn’t yet know how to stop all this.

Things got to the point where completely incomprehensible people began to come from Washington. news. We are being offended. I mean us, Russia. Americans exclude us from the list of world monsters. Even somewhere inside it’s offensive. Now the monsters are Iran and China, and we are on the sidelines. And this is also the result of the “successful actions” of the IDF...

I cannot help but recall another result of the actions of the Israeli army over the past four months. This result is more for internal use. Israeli society does a good job of educating its own citizens. Not those who have passports and live somewhere far away, but those who are truly Israeli. That’s why everyone serves in the army.

Including famous people, children of politicians and other elite. And there are enough women in uniform. There are no discounts for these categories. And they are at the front. Including among the dead and missing. And this is perceived very negatively by society. Dissatisfaction with the prime minister and the government is growing. Protests against the war began. The population is beginning to understand that the myth of the invincibility of the IDF is just a fake...

Is there a way out without image losses for Israel?


Alas, war does not always end in victory. Moreover, a war aimed at the complete destruction of an entire people in some region. Israel will not be able to even partially restore its image. Too many failed operations have been carried out, too much hatred has accumulated on both sides.

Let me remind you of one widely publicized IDF operation. The beautiful name “Iron Swords” hid a punitive operation, the goal of which was the complete destruction of the tunnel system created by Hamas. It is no secret that this is where hospitals, warehouses and other infrastructure facilities necessary for war are located. It is the tunnels that allow terrorists to launch unexpected attacks on Israeli units.

How many videos were then posted on the Internet, where Israeli soldiers were mining and blowing up these same tunnels. How much talk has there been about flooding the entire system with sea water, and what was the outcome? I will quote data from the American edition of The Wall Street Journal. Israel managed to destroy about 20% of the tunnels! The remaining 80% are still in operation today. The actual failure of the operation...

Naturally, Tel Aviv is looking for ways to get out of this war. Netanyahu is looking for ways to maintain power. And without negotiations with Hamas, nothing can be done here. And such negotiations are already taking place. True, at the level of advisers and consultants. Simply put, preparations are underway for peace negotiations, in which top officials from both sides will take part.

What is known from open sources about the results of the negotiations. It is clear that there is no official confirmation of this information. Therefore, you need to treat them with caution. So, The Jerusalem Post newspaper of January 30. Hamas links the hostage agreement to a permanent ceasefire.

“Hamas and the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) believe that an exchange of people should take place after Israeli troops withdraw from Gaza.”

Interesting message. Quite a blow to Israel's reputation. But at the same time, it fits perfectly into the measures already being carried out by the Israelis to withdraw units from the Gaza Strip. In addition, if you believe Arab publications, in particular the Al Arabiya TV channel, this issue was raised a little earlier and was resolved positively.

Israel began to withdraw troops to border points, liberating the sector. The liberated areas are occupied by Hamas fighters. After this point is fulfilled, negotiations will begin on the exchange of Israelis for Palestinians. The exchange will not be immediate, but within six weeks. During these weeks, both sides undertake not to engage in hostilities.

As I understand it, both sides will try to reach some compromises with this truce and stop the war for a longer period. Of course, I would like everything to work out. But the question arises of “who will pay for the banquet.” With the dead, everything is more or less clear. Some money will be paid to shut up.

What about the destroyed infrastructure? With the destroyed neighborhoods of Gaza? With destroyed hospitals, universities, schools and other destruction? The IDF destroyed up to 70 thousand residential buildings, and about 300 thousand more are in need of major repairs. Can you imagine the amount needed for this?

This is the “congratulations” I got on my “anniversary”... How quickly everything can change if you put the wrong person at the head of the state. One wrong decision when choosing a leader - and millions of people pay for it with their well-being, and even their lives... You can’t help but think about the role of the individual in stories...And about the fragility of the state, as a system of relationships between people and nations...
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  1. +15
    February 6 2024
    And on February 24 there will be an anniversary of the Northern Military District, we’ll see how the “comrades” from Israel comment on it!
    1. +37
      February 6 2024
      Quote: andrewkor
      How will “comrades” from Israel comment on him?

      After it started, they commented a lot... But in the last 4 months they suddenly stopped.
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        1. +18
          February 6 2024
          Quote from AUL
          And if someone asks what is false in the article, I will answer

          Nothing. Does it really hurt your eyes?
          1. +1
            February 6 2024
            With the dead, everything is more or less clear. Some money will be paid to shut your mouth

            What is this Author talking about?
            Nobody will pay the Palestinians anything.
            Maximum - relatives of dead Israelis will receive compensation
          2. UAT
            -8
            February 6 2024
            Not really about the lies in the article. The author talks about Hamas' losses: "in four months, about a third of them were destroyed. 10 thousand!" and about the IDF: “At the same time, the losses of the IDF itself are hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded.” Wow, an inconclusive war, if against 10 thousand - several hundred. The ratio is much better than what our authorities report about our losses against the Ukrainians.
            1. +4
              February 7 2024
              Quote: UAT
              Wow, an inconclusive war, if against 10 thousand - several hundred

              Especially if you take into account the 15-30 times superiority in manpower and the enemy’s lack of aviation and heavy weapons as such.
              1. +3
                February 7 2024
                and the fact that they are bombing everything, not counting civilians, is of course technically simpler. All that remains is to use napalm and chemical weapons.
            2. +1
              February 9 2024
              This is according to the Tsakhal, 10 thousand killed by Hamas. This is like a statement by ZELENSKY about the losses of the parties 8 to 1. in favor of Ukraine. In Israel itself, they claim that there are 3000 mental patients being treated in hospitals.
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        4. +11
          February 6 2024
          Did they break through the iron dome? Have the tunnels been destroyed? Maybe the loss numbers are wrong? Hamas destroyed? Where is the wrong?
          1. AUL
            -9
            February 6 2024
            Quote: MinskFox
            Did they break through the iron dome?

            No, they didn't. Those who write about the “rusty colander” are passing off their fervently wished for reality, or are simply singing from someone else’s voice. I have to disappoint - the reliability of the “dome” is really 97...98%. Believe me, this is a VERY high figure!
            Quote: MinskFox
            Have the tunnels been destroyed?

            Not all at once. Some are flooded, some are undermined, some are blocked with foam... In any case, “the process has begun,” and quite successfully.
            Quote: MinskFox
            Maybe the loss numbers are wrong?

            And no one hides losses! There is no war without losses. But at the same time, the IDF’s tactics are aimed at preserving the lives of soldiers as much as possible. Unlike.
            Quote: MinskFox
            Hamas destroyed?
            Not completely yet. But the brave warriors of Allah are already scattering in all directions. The leaders have already left Gaza over the hill. And, if at the beginning of this war the sirens in the cities howled 4-5 times a day, now they are already once every 10-12 days. Not a bad result?
            If something is still not clear - ask! laughing
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            2. +5
              February 6 2024
              Quote from AUL
              I have to disappoint - the reliability of the “dome” is really 97...98%. Believe me, this is a VERY high figure!

              Even Kedmi said that reliability there is lower. Is he now an evil anti-Semite?
              1. AUL
                -3
                February 6 2024
                He said - ask him! He probably lied so that his enemies wouldn’t guess.
            3. +11
              February 6 2024
              Listen, you misanthrope, I’m not talking about the loss of your soldier. I'm talking about the murder of children, women, doctors, journalists and people not related to Hamas. As opposed to - what is this a hint? Russians? The Russians do not fight with civilians, unlike Israel. Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
            4. +3
              February 7 2024
              The best way to call for jihad is from the Netherlands or Sweden while drinking juice in your neighborhood.
        5. +7
          February 6 2024
          What exactly is not true? The fact that the Israeli army was unable to produce results in 4 months? So this is true, the Israeli military and leadership themselves officially recognized this.
          Are the tunnels and military infrastructure still operational? This is also true, since the fighting is still going on officially, which both sides recognized.
          Initially, the leadership and the military did not determine what exactly should be done with the Gaza Strip? Destroy and resettle people? Not done yet. Just Destroy Hamas without civilians? It hasn't been done yet either. Just Destroy Hamas and everyone who resists the military? That hasn't been done yet either.
          The question arises: what have you been doing there for 4 months?
        6. +2
          February 6 2024
          An army of half a million with tanks and aircraft against 30 thousand slippers with Kalash rifles, isn’t it?
        7. +9
          February 6 2024
          Could you explain in detail, point by point, where the author lied? Otherwise you are blaming too loudly. It may turn out that you are the liar and slanderer.
          1. AUL
            -9
            February 6 2024
            Quote: Vyacheslav D.
            Could you explain in detail, point by point, where the author lied?

            Could. But I will not repeat once again what I already answered further in the comments. In addition, some participants have a habit of asking what has already been written here several times. I hope you are not one of those?
            1. +2
              February 7 2024
              He can’t really explain anything, the Israeli Armed Forces as a result are nothing of themselves, then what bravura speeches were
          2. +5
            February 6 2024
            The Israeli lobby has started working)) They’ll explain everything to us in a minute laughing
            1. AUL
              -12
              February 6 2024
              Quote: nikolaevskiy78
              They'll explain everything to us in a minute.

              It is difficult to explain something to someone who does not want to understand anything in advance.
              1. +8
                February 6 2024
                Well, now you will tell us the whole “scorching truth” about the evil Palestinians and the good you, who for decades fed them jam, cookies and candies. You have a marriage there, it seems, so in a divorce both are usually to blame.
      2. 0
        February 15 2024
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: andrewkor
        How will “comrades” from Israel comment on him?

        After it started, they commented a lot... But in the last 4 months they suddenly stopped.

        So Comrade Major is surprised: “Where have the Rabinoviches gone?”
  2. +14
    February 6 2024
    Typical political officer blah, blah, blah...
    The only thing the author is definitely right about is:
    How quickly everything can change if you put the wrong person at the head of the state. One wrong decision when choosing a leader - and millions of people pay for it with their well-being, and even their lives...

    However, it is extremely important that such a “leader” can be gotten rid of in a legitimate way. Unfortunately, this feature is not available in all countries. sad
    1. +12
      February 6 2024
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      This feature is not available in all countries.

      Or rather inaccessible!
    2. +46
      February 6 2024
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      The only thing the author is definitely right about is:
      How quickly everything can change if you put the wrong person at the head of the state. One wrong decision when choosing a leader and...

      How funny it is that to this day quite intelligent adults believe that one person, based on his own concepts, is capable of making politics... It is always the ruling class, not the individual, who rules. And for those who don’t believe, you can remember those rulers who tried to decide something themselves (Paul I, Kennedy.....).
      1. +3
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Doccor18
        The ruling class always rules

        A representative of the ruling class, the Duke, who owned an entire province, did not give a damn about some baron who only had a collapsed castle and a dozen peasants. People rule, not alone, but not in entire classes.
        1. +15
          February 6 2024
          Quote: Dart2027
          A representative of the ruling class, the Duke, in whose possession an entire province

          It is class, these are the “dukes” who rule, and if they don’t like something, then I wouldn’t bet on the “king”.

          Quote: Dart2027
          for some baron who had only a collapsed castle and a dozen peasants

          This is just a member of the ruling class who “doesn’t fit into the market”, nothing more.
          1. -2
            February 6 2024
            Quote: Doccor18
            It’s class, it’s these “dukes” who rule

            So class or specific people?
            Quote: Doccor18
            This is just a member of the ruling class who “does not fit into the market”

            A class consists of tens of thousands or millions, and a few dozen rule.
            1. +10
              February 6 2024
              Quote: Dart2027
              So class or specific people?

              By "strange" chance, these people belong to a specific class. Coincidence? wink
              1. 0
                February 6 2024
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                these people belong to a specific class.

                There are quite a lot of examples of how people, having managed to get money and/or power, became representatives of the most prestigious class at that time.
                1. +13
                  February 6 2024
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Examples of this

                  In our country, capital for the most part is not earned from scratch by labor, but is mainly obtained as a result of fraudulent actions. They became a class divided into clans. And these people, although they compete with each other, first of all defend the right to the legality of the acquired goods. Although it is missing.
                  1. -8
                    February 6 2024
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    In our state

                    That is, there is nothing to say on the subject of discussion? Here we are talking about something a little different.
              2. +2
                February 6 2024
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                By "strange" chance, these people belong to a specific class. Coincidence?
                Not at all necessary. A. Hitler's parents, for example, belonged to the peasant class. And he came to power without any peasant revolution, except for the “beer hall putsch”.
        2. +14
          February 6 2024
          There are hundreds of barons under the duke and all his well-being is based on the strength of their swords and their loyalty. If the Duke begins to neglect one Baron, others may perceive this as a personal insult to them all. And now the Duke is already hanging on the crossbar. And this happened more than once
          1. -3
            February 6 2024
            Quote: Ovsigovets
            There are hundreds of barons under the duke and all his well-being is based on the strength of their swords and their loyalty.

            And under the barons are commoners, who, gathered together, can hang them.
            1. +4
              February 6 2024
              They can. But barons are a warrior caste. And therefore the barons were equally good at cutting down both peasants and negligent dukes
              1. -2
                February 6 2024
                Quote: Ovsigovets
                They can. But barons are a warrior caste.

                And their servants are quite like peasants.
                1. GGV
                  +3
                  February 6 2024
                  If you were in that time and called the war baron a peasant, I don’t think you would have lived even a couple of seconds after that. The fact of the matter is that any peasant who became a warrior automatically moved to another class.
                  1. -1
                    February 6 2024
                    Quote: GGV
                    The fact of the matter is that any peasant who became a warrior automatically moved to another class.

                    Became a baron? Seriously?
                    1. GGV
                      +1
                      February 6 2024
                      He wrote: “becoming a warrior (serving with the baron).” Where did you see: “became a baron”? Although after bloody wars and great losses or after conquests and wars they became barons, but that’s a different story.
                      1. +1
                        February 6 2024
                        Quote: GGV
                        becoming a warrior (serving the baron)

                        did not move into the class of nobles and remained the same commoner, just closer to the owner
                      2. GGV
                        0
                        February 6 2024
                        If you equate a military man with a peasant, then I have nothing better to communicate with you. Don’t confuse the militia with professional military men; that’s why they became nobles, by the way.
                      3. 0
                        February 6 2024
                        Quote: GGV
                        with professional military men, they made nobles by the way

                        This could also happen. But it might not have been. In the Middle Ages there were three classes - nobles, commoners and the church. The transition from commoner to nobleman was possible, but simply entering the service was not enough.
                      4. 0
                        February 6 2024
                        Why warriors and not warriors?)
                      5. 0
                        February 7 2024
                        What's the minus for? If a person wrote “warriors” once, it would be clear that this was a typo. But many times he wrote not “warriors”, but “voinov”. This means he thinks it’s correct to write this way. I corrected him in a gentle, good-natured manner.)
                    2. 0
                      February 6 2024
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Became a baron? Seriously?

                      What's amazing?
                      For example, Ursula von der Leyen's great-great-great-grandfather became a baron. In Russia.

                      Ludwig Knoop worked most of his life in Russia, starting with the organization of the first machine textile factory together with Savva Morozov and reaching the point of receiving a baronial title from Emperor Alexander II.
                      1. 0
                        February 6 2024
                        Quote: Alex777
                        What's amazing?
                        Nothing. Just
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This could also happen. But it might not have been. In the Middle Ages there were three classes - nobles, commoners and the church. The transition from commoner to nobleman was possible, but simply entering the service was not enough.
          2. +2
            February 6 2024
            Quote: Ovsigovets
            There are hundreds of barons under the duke and all his well-being is based on the strength of their swords and their loyalty. If the Duke begins to neglect one Baron, others may perceive this as a personal insult to them all. And now the Duke is already hanging on the crossbar. And this happened more than once


            And it also happened that the duke hanged the baron just as something went wrong, and the others kept quiet for fear that they would suffer the same fate.
            Depends on the individual. Did Peter 1 depend on the boyars? And Ivan the Terrible? And Nevsky? And what about Stalin in the end? There was dependence, of course, but these people had the power to make their own decisions and could deal with unwanted boyars at their own discretion. So it’s definitely impossible to say that only the class rules and the head is just a puppet, it depends on the person. Batsden is nominal, Trump is not. And so on
            1. +1
              February 6 2024
              funny...that Peter (emperor), that Ivan4 (tsar) surrounded themselves with a “new military nobility” in order to break the “old barons”....not with their own hands, but with the hands of personally devoted ones....this is about personality )))) the individual must have strong support
        3. +5
          February 6 2024
          Quote: Dart2027
          A representative of the ruling class, the Duke, who owned an entire province, did not give a damn about some baron

          1) Both the Duke and the Baron are representatives of the same class (or rather estate)!
          2) If the Duke is unhappy all his barons there is a good chance that he will soon cease to be a duke.
          1. +1
            February 6 2024
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Both the Duke and the Baron are representatives of the same class (or rather estate)

            This is what we are talking about. It is not classes that rule, but specific people.
            1. +6
              February 6 2024
              Quote: Dart2027
              It is not classes that rule, but specific people.

              But at the same time, a specific person, as if, excuse the tautology “concrete,” he was not, cannot ignore the interests of the ruling class.
              For example, Frederick the Great once tried to abolish serfdom in one of the provinces, and the Junkers tactfully hinted to their king that he was not entirely right. And the king backed down, despite the fact that the Prussian nobles are among the most powerless in Europe. They even paid taxes.
              But the Russian Tsar Alexander the Blessed could, but only in the Baltic states. But if you try to do this throughout the entire empire, the Russian nobles would easily give him hemorrhoids with a snuff box for such a trick on his ears. And only his nephew was able to abolish the Communist Party, but in such a way that the interests of the ruling class were not harmed.
              However, the only exception was FDR's policies during the Great Depression. So he was really able to squeeze the financial elite, despite the fact that the flesh of this very ruling class. (The Van Roosevelts are no poorer than the Vanderbilts))
              1. -1
                February 6 2024
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                But at the same time, a specific person, as if, excuse the tautology “concrete,” he was not, cannot ignore the interests of the ruling class.

                Just like everyone else. Not to mention the fact that representatives of one class are enthusiastically ready to slaughter their fellows.
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                However, the only exception was FDR's policies during the Great Depression. So he was really able to squeeze the financial elite, despite the fact that the flesh of this very ruling class.

                All this depression was organized to rob their people in general and their classmates in particular.
          2. +2
            February 6 2024
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Quote: Dart2027
            A representative of the ruling class, the Duke, who owned an entire province, did not give a damn about some baron

            1) Both the Duke and the Baron are representatives of the same class (or rather estate)!
            2) If the Duke is unhappy all his barons there is a good chance that he will soon cease to be a duke.


            Yes, if the Duke is dissatisfied with one baron, there is a considerable chance that the baron will soon cease to be a living person.
            Divide and conquer - everyone has always been ruled by this principle
            1. -1
              February 7 2024
              Quote from: newtc7
              Yes, if the Duke is dissatisfied with one baron, there is a considerable chance that the baron will soon cease to be a living person.

              And then the other barons will have a thought: - what if I’m next? belay
              And then the Duke’s health may deteriorate sharply...
        4. +1
          February 6 2024
          Quote: Dart2027
          People rule, not alone, but not in entire classes.

          Well, there was a war between France and Britain.
          And then BAM!
          The peasants have rebelled in France; they don’t want kings.
          It's called the Jacquerie now.
          So what would you think?
          The nobles abruptly make peace and, well, trample those peasants with horses.
          When it is NECESSARY, the ruling class unites, oh how.
          1. 0
            February 7 2024
            Quote: pettabyte
            The nobles abruptly make peace and, well, trample those peasants with horses.

            The uprising was suppressed by the French, so no one made peace with anyone.
      2. +6
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Doccor18
        How funny it is that quite intelligent adults still believe that one person, relying on his own concepts, is capable of making politics...

        In the USA, even if you make a monkey president, the press secretary will explain its grimaces; the country’s politics there are made by its true masters, behind-the-scenes puppeteers. If the president wants to rule himself, there will be either impeachment or his destruction.
        Another thing is Russia, Peter I, Stalin... What would have happened without them, what would have happened if a true leader had been in Gorbachev’s place? Now, however, Russia has also become dependent on behind-the-scenes puppeteers (“thanks” to Gorbachev and the traitor Yeltsin, they formatted the country under the global capitalism of the Anglo-Saxons).
        As for Israel, its leader, of course, he could have been less categorical in his statements, but it is unlikely that the essence of his attitude towards the Palestinians would have changed. If you believe in the space program, or fate, if you simply look for cause-and-effect relationships, what was supposed to happen happened.
        Probably, the continued prosperous existence of Israel now seems problematic, this is also, if not fate, then a cause-and-effect relationship of changes in the world that affect everyone, both the US “roof” of Israel, and Russia with its oligarchs - the bad guys in the bourgeoisie.
        1. -2
          February 6 2024
          exactly what it should. Israeli policy has led to this result.
      3. -2
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Doccor18
        It is always the ruling class that rules, not the individual.

        the doctrine of class struggle is somewhat outdated. The state rules. The conversation is about Israel, probably the most nationalistic state in the world. The main thing for them is the nation. Therefore, there is no need to blame their leader. I guess people are like that.
        1. +3
          February 6 2024
          Quote: aybolyt678
          the doctrine of class struggle is somewhat outdated.

          How can I say... The approaches have changed somewhat, but the basis is still the same.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          The state rules.

          People rule, and not just any...
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Therefore, there is no need to blame their leader.

          What's the point? He only expresses the opinion of certain circles.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I guess people are like that.

          Yes yes, but how? laughing People everywhere and always are “guilty/not like that”...
          1. -4
            February 6 2024
            Quote: Doccor18
            Yes, yes, but how can the People everywhere and always be “guilty/not like that”...

            Some vague statements you make... you could organize a whole discussion on each of the points. I assume that you will not argue that the Jewish people have features that allowed them to maintain their identity despite the absence of their own state for more than a thousand years?
            1. +3
              February 6 2024
              Quote: aybolyt678
              I think you won't argue

              I won't. But what does this have to do with presidential power and the decision to launch an operation? You won’t argue that no referendums were held, and not everyone was delighted with this (many people went abroad).
              1. 0
                February 7 2024
                The discussion was about how bad the president of Israel is. I think it's more of a biological process. The Israelis felt a bit cramped
      4. +3
        February 6 2024
        The king is played by his retinue. This has been the case for a long time, and it will remain so in the future.
      5. +1
        February 6 2024
        Great answer, bravo.
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  3. +2
    February 6 2024
    They are all accomplices there. nepotism and mutual responsibility, what can we talk about if there are entrances to tunnels in schools and hospitals.
    Jews have no illusions about them
  4. +21
    February 6 2024
    How can a prosperous state be destroyed?
    What about Israel, has it already been destroyed? Has it disappeared from the political map? Has there been an exodus of the Israelis from the Promised Land? For now, we can talk about the failure of the military operation against Hamas and the fact that a local war in the Middle East, with the participation of many states, did not break out.
    1. ada
      +3
      February 6 2024
      Quote: parusnik
      ...For now we can talk about...and the fact that a local war has not broken out in the Middle East, with the participation of many states.

      Well, there is no need to rush here, everything should go according to plan with control over the achievement of the indicators of each LC to the required level and compliance with the order of their circulation around the E-AK, which will maintain sustainable management of escalation and the gradual involvement of the parties in them while maintaining the necessary potential to the level of a large regional conflict. Well, sir, but for now it’s impossible, sir - no way, only in short dashes of two canisters per snout, so that it doesn’t fade, and for impressions on a long memory. Columns of fuel tankers will arrive later. Then the thing is, it’s not simple, and the originals themselves, according to the author, are in some kind of shame:
      ... Washington doesn’t yet know how to stop all this. ...
      . True, for me this is just negligence, some acquired sloppiness of the “Akella syndrome”. Well, judge for yourself how not to “ackelite” here: the coast of the bridgehead is “polluted”, the cleaning is not very good, the Turetsk region is in no way ready for the joint exploitation of the strait zone, the Gretskys are neither this nor that, the Arabs are finally... . Here it is, tell me - how to build the first land corridor to the BV and AfK hegemon, when no one wants to appreciate the depth and breadth of his plan on the path to a bright and individual one? How to reach the stage of readiness for WWII when there is a dense misunderstanding of the historical path around? How? There are some other Houthis and God sent allies...
    2. +4
      February 6 2024
      This was Israel's Tsushima.
      Next, Nitanyaka has no good moves, electing someone else - it takes time and the population’s willingness to compromise, but I’m afraid that many layers love each other much like the Palestinians.
      American aid will get stuck in American irreconcilable political graters.
      Under such conditions, the Israeli economy will decline, perhaps steeply.
      The image is completely spoiled, both by cruelty and by the results of the battles.
      What could save Israel?
      Suddenly become pro-Russian/pro-Chinese, and accordingly, within the framework of the axis, also pro-Iranian, while still giving the Palestinians the opportunity for statehood (that is, to shit themselves on their own, which should have been done long ago).
      But...Israel is pro-American, and is ready to outshine those very neocon hawks, and even for the States themselves - one of the ballast sandbags. Moreover, for Biden, for example, the order of this and the Ukrainian bag, as we see, is not happy for Israel.
      1. ada
        0
        February 6 2024
        Quote: faterdom
        ...But...Israel is pro-American, and is ready to outdo those very neocon hawks, and even for the States themselves - one of the ballast sandbags. ...

        Well, the costs, yes, as without it, but the “bag of sand” - that’s enough, rather, “some burden”, then this, too, will not last forever. And there is no one there, besides them, to help the United States in the complex nuclear missile destruction of Russian Federation targets, inflicting high-tech weapons strikes on them with air and naval weapons, and even simple bombs have not gone away. And who will cook the chemicals for all sorts of things? The British? What about making a fuss in the region? No, they won’t let them go anywhere... . I owe you! bully
    3. AUL
      0
      February 6 2024
      Quote: parusnik
      For now we can talk about the failure of the military operation against Hamas

      Yes, and it’s a little premature to talk about this!
      1. 0
        February 6 2024
        and what - the goals have been achieved? Can you list which goals of the operation were achieved and which were not?
        1. AUL
          -1
          February 6 2024
          Quote: Foxmara
          and what - the goals have been achieved? Can you list which goals of the operation were achieved and which were not?

          Can. The main achievement, in my opinion, is that rocket attacks from Gaza have practically stopped. Now alarms have begun to be announced once every 10-12 days, but at the beginning there were 4-5 per day. This is already a great achievement. The goal has not yet been fully achieved, but the further development of the situation can be seen quite clearly.
          In addition, after seeing how Hamaz was screwing up, other brothers and fellow believers sharply slowed down in their desire to join in the distribution of elephants. The instinct of self-preservation kicked in.
          This is MY vision of the situation.
          1. 0
            February 26 2024
            Yeah, the Arabs switched to destroying targets “allied” with Israel - ships.
            Besides everything, Hamas is leaking
            Hezbollah has achieved its goal: pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel sentiments have intensified in the world, enormous material and moral damage has been inflicted on Israel, and reconciliation between Israel and Arab countries has, if not been disrupted, then been delayed for a long time. So Hamas did its job.
            Israel, even having won the conflict, will forever remain a symbol of Nazism and genocide. There's no way to wash yourself off here. No matter how much you deposit money into the UN and other organizations, everyone remembers everything. The disproportionate use of force against civilians (well, this must be done in an era of struggle for human rights) takes Israel beyond the boundaries of civilized states. Even the intercession of the United States will not give the desired effect. I hope for Israel this will be the beginning of the end in international relations. no one except terrorists will deal with them.
            Like eventually leads to like.
            Well, as for Hamas - no matter how you kill the Arabs, there remain people from whom Israel has taken everything, and they will join the ranks of suicide bombers who are ready to give life for life, a broken psyche, hatred - this is what Israel leaves as a legacy for its citizens.
  5. +8
    February 6 2024
    In the world, the State of Israel has always been perceived as a Jewish state. State of the people-victims of genocide.

    Who is now engaged in genocide himself.
    If the Jews gave the go-ahead for the creation of a Palestinian state, there would be no problem. But Israel needs Palestinian lands, so this struggle will continue for a very long time.
    1. ada
      +1
      February 6 2024
      Quote: Comrade
      ... ...and there wouldn't be a problem.

      Right now! Yeah. That's not what we were raised for...
    2. -7
      February 6 2024
      If the Jews gave the go-ahead for the creation of a Palestinian state, there would be no problem. But Israel needs Palestinian lands, so this struggle will continue for a very long time.

      According to this logic, Russia had to be given to Hitler up to the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line.
      Only what is conquered is lasting. Well, Israel is counting on the territories of the remnants of Palestine, Jordan, and Lebanon. Syria is supposed to be divided with Turkey. But without the Suez Canal, this whole undertaking is unprofitable.
      1. +3
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        According to this logic, Russia had to be given to Hitler up to the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line.

        Some kind of twisted logic you have, there is no basis for such parallels, where you sucked them out from.
      2. +3
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        According to this logic, Russia had to be given to Hitler up to the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line.

        Well, firstly, it is Israel that behaves like the Reich now.
        Secondly, at the time of the creation of Israel in the 20th century, Palestinians already lived there. It’s logical that they got burned (but try saying something to England, especially at that time).
        In view of this, it is logical to create a national liberation movement.
    3. +4
      February 6 2024
      Quote: Comrade
      But Israel needs Palestinian lands,

      I heard about a large gas field on the shelf owned by the Palestinians. And that this whole show was organized precisely with the aim of eliminating Palestinian autonomy and taking possession of this shelf. But something went wrong... And the author is right, at whose expense will the destroyed city of Gaza be restored? Otherwise, the war will not stop.
      1. 0
        February 6 2024
        There is another version: we want to build an alternative to the Suez Canal, passing through Gaza. For this they need to expel all the local residents
        1. +1
          February 6 2024
          Then it’s easier to connect with the Dead Sea and at least get out through Tel Aviv.
          No.
          Gas, oil, resources. Grabbing it all is the essence of the Western world. And Israel is part of it, created by the West, it serves the West.
          1. +1
            February 7 2024
            pettabyte
            Regarding the essence of the Western world, I agree.
            Regarding resources, this place is rather poor in resources. I don’t know about offshore oil - that’s the first time I heard about it. And finally, there seems to be oil at a fair distance from there, but there is nothing there except the sea and sand.
            Canal across the Dead Sea... - look at the map - You are proposing a route that is too long. And the Israelis will not spoil their densely populated territory.
            But from the port of Eilat, which even already has some kind of infrastructure, it is possible to build an alternative route almost next to the Suez Canal, and it will pass through Gaza. Mattresses, and six-pointers need a safe path. They don’t need aggressive poor people, much less bearded men with faust cartridges, to be there. That is why it is necessary to expel the local population.
            Considering that Hamas was made by Israel itself, it is clear who started all this
    4. +9
      February 6 2024
      Hmm..An interesting thesis. However, it is correct. There is only a BUT. This truth is different for everyone. For Jews there is their own truth (they claim that their lands), for Palestinians it is the same Truth.. And, by the way, this also applies to ours situations. Everyone rows for themselves.
    5. +1
      February 7 2024
      [quote]If the Jews gave the go-ahead for the creation of a Palestinian state[/quSo the go-ahead was given, back in 1993, significant territories on the West Bank were transferred to full Arab self-government; in September 2000, Barak and Arafat were sitting in Cape David and were about to sign the final agreement, but Yasser got tired of it and decided to fight some more, despite this, Israel continued to transfer additional territories to Palestinian control, and in 2005 completely withdrew the military and all Jewish settlements from Gaza and some other parts of the West Bank, and what happened? Hamas decided to fire rockets at Israel. but even here the matter did not end, in 2009 Olmert, almost agreeing to the Saudi initiative, began significant unilateral concessions, but Hamas intensified the shelling, well, they don’t want their own state next to Israel, they want it instead, but the Israelis, including Israeli Arabs, don’t want it instead, stupidity
  6. +4
    February 6 2024
    When religious and nationalist feelings are brought into play, such wars are difficult to stop. Neither side puts forward a secular agenda. On the one hand, the United States and Israel, on the other hand, proxies. The fact that this war is difficult to stop can be judged by everyday cries. Everyone demands the destruction of one side or another. At the same time, considering that children on whose side the forces act are more important than the children of the opposite ones. In general, simple cannibalism.
  7. +6
    February 6 2024
    So, from the very beginning, Hamas terrorists say that it is necessary to kill all Jews and destroy Israel, so what?, in response, Israel should raise its paws and allow itself to be killed?
  8. 0
    February 6 2024

    I'm talking about the Houthis of Yemen. For some reason they were not afraid of the Americans and continue to block the Red Sea

    It would also be nice for us, in the light of the Northern Military District, if some more guys with thick beards, wearing turbans and slippers on their bare feet, also blocked the Strait of Hormuz wink
    1. +12
      February 6 2024
      It would also be nice for us, in the light of the Northern Military District, if some more guys with thick beards, wearing turbans and slippers on their bare feet, also blocked the Strait of Hormuz

      Judging by your statement, you have no idea about these guys at all. We must pray to God that they do not begin to liberate Moscow from infidels for the “true believers.” For them, we are not people, but either enemies or cattle. If, under the general leadership of the diasporas (OCG), they begin jihad, October 7, 1923 will be remembered as a matinee with a national flavor.
      1. -6
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        We must pray to God that they do not begin to liberate Moscow for the “true believers.”

        Why will they liberate Moscow if Moscow helps them? But they will spoil the nerves of our enemies, and if you give them weapons, then not only nerves
        1. +8
          February 6 2024
          Because they are cramped in their homeland, and housing, food and women must be taken from the enemy. If he resists, he is an enemy, kill him! Don't resist - brute, kill him!
        2. 0
          February 10 2024
          Because you don’t understand how Islam looks at the world. According to Islamic doctrine, the world is divided into 2 parts - 1. Dar el Salam (or Islam) - Land of Peace (Islam) part of the world ruled by Muslims, 2. Dar el Harb - Land of War - part of the world ruled by non-Muslims that needs to be captured and turn it into Dar el salaam. In addition, all your agreements with them, which you will consider as a contract, then since you do not profess Islam, it will not be binding for a Muslim. Read what takyya is. Moreover, if for you this is an agreement, then for a Muslim it is just a truce.
          With respect.
          1. +1
            February 10 2024
            Quote: Orakul2000
            Because you don't understand how Islam looks at the world

            I understand very well. I was born and lived for a long time in one such republic. I even know their language wink
      2. +2
        February 6 2024
        Victor Leningradets
        You apparently don’t know that all this pro-American ISIS and all our abreks are Sunnis. And the nightmare of mattresses and hexagonal ones in the Red Sea are the Shiites, who do not go to Moscow and St. Petersburg)) And the Shiites and Sunnis are historically at odds. So, roughly speaking, there are “our” and “not our” Muslims
    2. 0
      February 7 2024
      The Amers at one time supported the Afghan Islamists, and what did they get in the end? These are dangerous games, oh dangerous. We are all friends to them, don’t forget.
      1. +1
        February 7 2024
        Quote: YAHU
        Amers at one time supported Afghan Islamists

        They never supported the Taliban. And the Afghan Mujahideen who fought with the USSR are not Taliban
        1. +1
          February 7 2024
          The same Islamists, only more radical. After the gray ones come the black ones - there is such a pattern.
          1. +1
            February 7 2024
            Quote: YAHU
            The same Islamists, only more radical

            You have some strange idea about Islam wink

            Quote: YAHU
            After the gray ones come the black ones - there is such a pattern

            I think the Strugatsky quote is inappropriate here. Different times and different weight categories
            1. 0
              February 7 2024
              I have a cool attitude towards any religion. And I avoid fanatics, not just religious ones.
      2. 0
        February 8 2024
        YEHU
        Shuravi is a corruption of "Russian" in the Afghan Pashto-Dari languages. In Arabic - Ar-Rus. Syria, by the way, suddenly... Suriya, the same letters as ar-Rusiya (Russia in Arabic).
        I had a chance to talk with Arabs in Egypt. Everyone unanimously told me that they understand that Russia is not at war with Ukraine, but with the United States and NATO. And they are enemies for the Arabs too. The enemy of your enemy is...
        Also, the Houthis are Iranian proxies. And Iran now benefits from cooperating with Russia.
        Moreover, the USSR provided military assistance to the Houthi predecessors in Yemen. But Russia abandoned them... But they remember everything... And they are far away, too far away
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  10. -1
    February 6 2024
    The results of Israel's 4-month war with Hamas terrorists

    Why terrorists? With fighters for freedom and independence.
    1. +8
      February 6 2024
      Why terrorists? With fighters for freedom and independence.

      Maybe you'll be lucky and have time to greet them if you find yourself in their way.
      1. +1
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        if you get in their way
    2. -7
      February 6 2024
      Quote: Dart2027
      Why terrorists?

      The terrorist is Israel! This is what Hamas is fighting against
      1. -4
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        The terrorist is Israel! This is what Hamas is fighting against

        So I'm talking about that.
    3. +5
      February 6 2024
      It all depends on the point of view: when Hamas takes hostages and dozens of civilians are killed under its flag, this is terrorism; when Israel fills prisons with Palestinian women and children, killing civilians in the thousands, this is humane self-defense...
      It’s the same with us: we suffered an oil refinery operation - an operation to enforce peace; we suffered a terrorist attack; We have intelligence officers, they have spies; We have saboteurs and parasites, they have terrorists.
      This is just part of the information war, the imposition of templates, which the author also fell into (unless, of course, he is one of the parties to the conflict, deliberately promoting the position of his own).
      Accordingly, definitions that do not correspond to objective meanings are only an expression of the personal side-position of the speaker.
  11. +5
    February 6 2024
    Israel has been on the verge of destruction since about 1947, he is probably already used to it. Only the number of his enemies during this time has greatly decreased; the “war” against Gaza is being waged by his overwhelming advantage, although not with a final result. Probably, the goals were initially inflated on a wave of emotions.

    IMHO, Israel's position after these events will be better than before them, since Hamas is already badly battered and it is unlikely that Hamas will ever be as strong as before the events.
    1. -2
      February 6 2024
      Quote: S.Z.
      Israel has been on the verge of destruction since about 1947, he is probably already used to it. Only
      If earlier he was opposed by warriors who were a crowd of savages with modern weapons, now the level of training has increased greatly.
      Quote: S.Z.
      The “war” against Gaza is going on with an overwhelming advantage, although not with a final result. Probably, the goals were initially inflated on a wave of emotions
      So with an advantage or are the goals too high?
      1. +4
        February 6 2024
        "If earlier he was opposed by warriors who were a crowd of savages with modern weapons, now the level of training has increased greatly."

        On the contrary, he was opposed by the regular armies of Egypt, Syria and other countries with tanks, planes and other equipment in superior numbers, and today by a few militias in slippers.

        “So with an advantage or are the goals too high?”

        Both. It's unlikely that you don't understand.
        1. 0
          February 6 2024
          Quote: S.Z.
          On the contrary, he was opposed by the regular armies of Egypt, Syria and other countries with tanks, planes and other equipment
          that's what they were
          Quote: Dart2027
          warriors who were a crowd of savages with modern weapons

          A couple of years ago I came across the memoirs of a Marine who fought in Iraq during Desert Storm. He writes that before he himself found himself in a war with the Arabs, he considered the IDF to be a great army that defeats formidable enemies. But after he himself fought with them, he had no admiration left. Our advisers wrote the same thing - the level of the Arab armies is extremely low. And different things have been written about Syria too - there are normal parts, and there are those that are of zero use. But over time, the Arabs gradually began to learn and it is no longer possible to disperse them with half a kick.
          1. +3
            February 6 2024
            “But over time, the Arabs gradually began to learn and it’s no longer possible to disperse them with half a kick.”

            Yes, the Arabs learned.

            And now not a single Arab country openly declares war with Israel, and even Iran denies the “pro-Iranian” forces that the coalition is bombing. Only the Houthis are shelling ships in the Gulf, but this is not a war with Israel.

            The former opponents of Israel themselves - Egypt and Syria - are in a very pitiful state after internal upheavals, others - Jordan - are even allies of the United States.

            Those wars were incomparably more dangerous for Israel, and then there were normal soldiers and units among the Arabs, and there is nothing to say about weapons. The Arabs had quantitative superiority - many times over.

            Today, 300 thousand Israeli mobs alone are chasing 10 or 20 thousand partisans in slippers through the ruins - no more than 2 thousand took part in the attack.
            1. 0
              February 6 2024
              Quote: S.Z.
              Yes, the Arabs learned. And now
              They perfectly show the vaunted soldiers from the IDF what a war with a serious enemy is like.
              Quote: S.Z.
              Only the Houthis are shelling ships in the Gulf, but this is not a war with Israel.
              Well, this is a war with both Israel and the United States.
              Quote: S.Z.
              The former opponents of Israel themselves - Egypt and Syria
              They survived after there were coup attempts organized by the CIA.
              Quote: S.Z.
              Those wars were far more dangerous for Israel, and then there were normal soldiers and units among the Arabs
              the number of which was insignificant.
              Quote: S.Z.
              Today, 300 thousand Israeli mobs alone are chasing 10 or 20 thousand partisans in slippers through the ruins
              and there is no way they can win with a 15 or 30 times superiority. Warriors though.
              1. +2
                February 6 2024
                "they perfectly show the vaunted IDF soldiers what war with a serious enemy is like."

                The IDF is leading rather WHO, they have recovered from the blow.

                “Only the Houthis are shelling ships in the Gulf, but this is not a war with Israel.
                Well, this is a war with both Israel and the United States."

                This is not a war at all, but sabotage. IMHO, we are talking about attempts to increase oil prices.

                "They survived after there were CIA-organized coup attempts."

                These two countries survived, but what happened to them? And what happened to those who did not resist? The CIA only helped there, and this is not certain, and the riots themselves have internal causes.

                “Those wars were far more dangerous for Israel, and then there were normal soldiers and units among the Arabs.”
                the number of which was insignificant.

                Judging by the losses, quite significant. But I am not a supporter of racial theories, unlike you, and I do not believe that Arabs are worse than Jews, and Arab soldiers are worse than Israelis because “they are Arabs.”

                "and they can’t win in any way, having a superiority of 15 or 30 times. Warriors, however."

                The goals were set unrealistic, see above. Clearing an entire city without killing all the inhabitants and wiping it out is an unrealistic goal.
                1. +1
                  February 6 2024
                  Quote: S.Z.
                  The IDF is leading rather WHO, they have recovered from the blow.
                  Yes, so they forgot about all the original plans.
                  Quote: S.Z.
                  This is not a war at all, but sabotage. IMHO, we are talking about attempts to increase oil prices.
                  Such sabotage that the whole West howled.
                  Quote: S.Z.
                  The CIA only helped there, and this is not certain
                  Tales about some spontaneous actions are 20 years out of date.
                  Quote: S.Z.
                  Judging by the losses, quite significant.
                  With significant losses, there would be nothing left of the IDF. Actually, if you remember what some commentators from Israel wrote about 10 years ago, then I noticed even then that they, in principle, do not understand what a war with a serious enemy is. As for the quality of the Arab armies, there is a fact - everyone who dealt with them wrote about their ineffectiveness.
                  Quote: S.Z.
                  The goals were set unrealistic, see above. Clearing an entire city without killing all the inhabitants and wiping it out is an unrealistic goal.
                  Do they care? And, by the way, ours coped with this quite well without 30-fold superiority.
                  1. +2
                    February 7 2024
                    “Yes, so we forgot about all the original plans.”

                    The plan is too high - that's what I started with. By the way, Hamas also did not achieve its goals.

                    "Such sabotage that the whole West howled."

                    He did not howl, but sent armed forces.

                    “Tales about some spontaneous performances are 20 years out of date.”

                    Tales of the almighty hand behind the scenes are even older.

                    “Israel about 10 years ago, then I noticed even then that they, in principle, do not understand what a war with a serious enemy is.”

                    :) This means that Israel was smart enough to choose a weaker enemy. Idiots fight the strong, smart ones fight the weak.

                    “Do they care about this? And, by the way, ours completely coped with this without 30-fold superiority.”

                    They cannot afford to lose 20 killed during the capture of one regional center.
                    1. -1
                      February 7 2024
                      Quote: S.Z.
                      The plan is too high - that's what I started with. By the way, Hamas also did not achieve its goals.
                      A super-hyped army against an enemy immeasurably inferior in all respects? Yes, overpriced.
                      Quote: S.Z.
                      By the way, Hamas also did not achieve its goals.
                      He did not plan to conquer Israel.
                      Quote: S.Z.
                      Tales of the almighty hand behind the scenes are even older.
                      So there are no objections? The organizers of all these “revolutions” are no longer trying to hide their participation.
                      Quote: S.Z.
                      They can't afford to lose 20 dead

                      Quote: S.Z.
                      So Israel has
                      there were no serious opponents in the neighborhood. Smart people look at the map. However, you can’t argue with the fact that the IDF doesn’t care about civilians.
                      1. +2
                        February 7 2024
                        "He did not plan to conquer Israel."

                        He planned to receive support - and did not receive it. Hamas lost in any case - the question is by what score.

                        “The organizers of all these “revolutions” are no longer trying to hide their participation.”

                        Accomplices. Revolutions are a natural process, read Lenin.

                        “there were no serious opponents in the neighborhood. The smart ones look at the map. However, you can’t argue with the fact that the IDF doesn’t care about the civilian population.”

                        The ability to choose opponents is half the battle. I don’t argue - all military personnel of all countries usually don’t give a damn.
                      2. -1
                        February 7 2024
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        He planned to receive support - and did not receive it.

                        Are the Houthis aware? And the database is far from complete.
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        Revolutions are a natural process, read Lenin.

                        Lenin's theories did not stand the test of life. Well, Gene Sharp also wrote that to start the revolution process, you need to use existing difficulties.
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        The ability to choose opponents is half the battle.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Smart people look at the map.
                        So which of the great powers does Israel border with?
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        all military personnel of all countries usually “don’t care” equally.

                        Well, even the Americans said about ours that if they were in their place, they would act differently.
                      3. +1
                        February 7 2024
                        “Are the Houthis aware? And the database is far from complete.”

                        The Houthis’ actions do not in any way affect the situation in Gaza; they are solving their own problems. Or rather, the problems of those who benefit from high oil prices.

                        "So which of the great powers does Israel border with?"

                        Israel itself is not a great power, but it borders on much larger and more powerful powers. And he beat them all in the wars of the last century, which is why he himself is intact.

                        “Well, even the Americans said about ours that if they were in their place, they would act differently.”

                        Of course, they would not put 20 of their own soldiers behind the regional center.
                      4. -1
                        February 7 2024
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        The Houthis’ actions do not in any way affect the situation in Gaza; they are solving their own problems.
                        Considering that they cannot physically get there, they do what they can.
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        but it borders on much larger and more powerful powers
                        And which of them is the great power? (hint: great and large are two different things)
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        Of course, put 20 of your own soldiers behind the regional center

                        Don’t we remember how many opponents they put in it? However, we agree with the fact that the RF Armed Forces are trying not to kill the civilian population.
                      5. +2
                        February 7 2024
                        “Given that they cannot physically get there, they do what they can.”

                        Is that why they shoot at everyone who swims by? :) And does anyone believe that Gaza can be helped in this way? To oil sellers - yes, but not to the population of Gaza.

                        “And which of them is a great power? (hint: great and large are different things)”

                        Nobody. Why fight a great power? But Israel does not claim to be a great power. It is a small country with a small population that has defeated much stronger neighbors. At least today, its military power is sufficient.

                        “We don’t remember how many opponents they put in it? However, we agree with the fact that the RF Armed Forces are trying not to kill the civilian population.”

                        Does it matter how much you put in? This isn't hockey. We'll find out in 100 years, probably sooner.

                        Of course, no one shoots specifically at civilians, except criminals. I can’t say who has more of them. The Arabs shot at civilians on purpose, by the way, it seems they did it more than anyone else.
                      6. -1
                        February 7 2024
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        Is that why they shoot at everyone who swims by? :)
                        Is it for everyone?
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        And does anyone believe that Gaza can be helped in this way?
                        Economic damage is caused to the enemy, all according to the classics.
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        Nobody. Why fight a great power?
                        That is, his arcia never had to fight a serious enemy.
                        Quote: S.Z.
                        Does it matter how much you put in? This isn't hockey.
                        So why don't you mention this?
      2. AUL
        +1
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Dart2027
        If earlier he was opposed by warriors who were a crowd of savages with modern weapons, now the level of training has increased greatly.

        Well, Israel is not the same as it was in 1948. It also developed a little taking into account its kind neighbors!
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      1. 0
        February 15 2024
        NG inform
        Russia, and even the USSR, never created Israel. Israel was created by Zionist Jews, with the active assistance of Britain, the USA and ... Nazi Germany. Yes, yes, Hitler also took part in this.
        The USSR, rather, “had designs” on Israel, threw in some weapons, and brought together some violent Zionists. But these are figures who can bite the “hand of the giver.”
        Don’t listen to Zionist propagandists, all sorts of milky people and their ilk
  12. Des
    +4
    February 6 2024
    On VO there are three “main”) authors whom you equally want to read and not read at the same time. They are different, but one is always ahead in the news, the other is a specialist (it turns out)) in many non-related fields, but the third is a blast (a joke of humor).
    With R.K. everything is clear from the articles of R.S. sometimes it’s fun or sad, but it’s exciting and interesting (sometimes). And again here is A.S. admires - “old school” (joke) from a propagandist of the past. But you can read it like a rarity.
    These are emotions).
    From the author’s article (and this is a huge + in VO and in life):
    ..."And quite difficult times are coming for the Jewish state itself. If you look at the political map of the world today, it becomes clear that this country is surrounded by enemies on all sides except the sea. Will this country be able to survive in this situation or will it disappear in the near future? perspective, it’s still unclear to me. Some kind of foreign body in the Middle East. A rogue state..."
    Israel has never had simple times. And not even today, but always Israel has been surrounded by enemies (not well-wishers). It is “not yet clear” to you “whether this country can survive in this situation or disappear in the near future” and this recognition does you honor and, of course, elevates you as a global thinker. But, most likely, this state will always exist. Or not, but then many “non-outcasts” will also cease to be around.
    Everyone feels sorry for the children, women, journalists and doctors killed in the Gaza Strip.
  13. +6
    February 6 2024
    We need peace, not war. Insist that Arabs and Jews are brotherly peoples. Or better - that they are one people, but artificially divided. After all, Sholom Aleichem and Salam Aleikum are “both consonant and unambiguous”!
    1. 0
      February 6 2024
      Portos Portosjan
      Alas, the Serbs and the Croats are practically one people with the same language, but no one slaughtered each other with such enthusiasm as they did. And there are a lot of similar examples.
      The division into the children of Ismail and Israel was first written down by the Jews in their holy books, and then the Arabs copied and pasted them
  14. +9
    February 6 2024
    "How can you destroy a prosperous state..."
    Was the USSR, like, not a prosperous state? They destroyed without war! Is Russia a prosperous state after 20 years of Putin’s rule? We walk around the world with an outstretched hand, asking for shells and fighting with Soviet “galoshes.” Thanks to the communist, otherwise there would be nothing to fight with.
    How was the USSR destroyed? The authorities themselves created problems and did not solve them. This is, like, the system is to blame. 96% of Russia is against migrants, and the government is importing millions of them! In general, the author focused on the Jewish state, forgetting about our past. What about us, what about us? The longer the SVO goes on, the more problems there are within Russia. And our government, now, does not create the preconditions for the destruction of the state? There are too many problems created by the government itself that are not being solved!
    1. +3
      February 6 2024
      [B]
      “How can you destroy a prosperous state...”[
      /b] Yes, it seems that Israel did not disintegrate into small kingdoms of Judah, live... laughing
      1. 0
        February 6 2024
        kor1vet1974
        However, in Israel, among the Jews (!), there are ethnic contradictions!
    2. 0
      February 6 2024
      Quote: steel maker
      And our government, now, does not create the preconditions for the destruction of the state?

      The article about Israel seems to be about the conflict in Gaza, why are your cheap political slogans here - they will not help the IDF fool
  15. 0
    February 6 2024
    What about the destroyed infrastructure? With the destroyed neighborhoods of Gaza? With destroyed hospitals, universities, schools and other destruction? The IDF destroyed up to 70 thousand residential buildings, and about 300 thousand more are in need of major repairs. Can you imagine the amount needed for this?

    Pay and repent, pay and repent.
    For Israelis this is completely unusual, they are used to it the other way around, but what to do?
  16. +5
    February 6 2024
    A ceasefire is a good thing, but with whom are they negotiating?
    I have already written here that there are at least two forces there: the organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, and “a crowd in sneakers with Kalashnikovs.” It is still possible to reach an agreement with the former, and most importantly, they will most likely fulfill the agreements, but what to do with poorly organized small groups?
    I remember it was mentioned in the news that during the partial exchange of hostages, Hamas had to “get” them from other groups.
  17. +6
    February 6 2024
    And quite difficult times are coming for the Jewish state itself. If you look at the political map of the world today, it becomes clear that this country is surrounded by enemies on all sides except the sea. Whether this country will be able to survive in this situation or disappear in the near future is still unclear to me. Some kind of foreign body in the Middle East. Rogue state...


    When was it different? When was Israel not surrounded by enemies?
    The Islamic brothers simply abandoned Palestine and Hamas. Even if Israel irons out the Gas Strip with nuclear bombs, the Islamic world will limit itself only to chatter. Because they're pissers.
    The Gaza Strip is doomed.
    1. 0
      February 6 2024
      Russian Patriot
      There will be no nuclear bombs. Radioactive fallout will fall on nearby kibbutzim
  18. +3
    February 6 2024
    The author somehow missed the tactics of urban combat by IDF fighters.
    For the assault, there are specially trained units; reservists entered Gaza. It is they who are hiding in a group behind tanks and walking single file through the streets. It is clear that, having military training, people are not trained for urban battles. The actions of units equipped with tanks and heavy MRAPs are scattered, people lag behind the equipment. The management of units does not cover all the fighters. The tactics to destroy Hamas have changed to the complete destruction of buildings. While declaring the same goals, the IDF leadership is doing completely different things. And this is visible even to non-military The Jews surpassed their American teachers in crimes and hypocrisy......
  19. +3
    February 6 2024
    Yes, yes, yes - a failure, but after two years we won the next three hundred meters - an unprecedented success. Donetsk hasn't been shelled for a long time, otherwise I somehow missed this moment? Only the Jews, unlike us, don’t chew snot and don’t fight in white, and Heil Ha’Avir, when necessary, gives them away for nuts even against targets on the territory of other states, but our planes don’t fly for a “ribbon” and even over our territory knocked down. So let's first deal with our own log, and then we'll look for the specks from the Jews.
    1. -1
      February 7 2024
      Quote from AdAstra
      Yes, yes, yes - a failure, but after two years we won the next three hundred meters - an unprecedented success. Donetsk hasn't been shelled for a long time, otherwise I somehow missed this moment?

      Such an empty space will not suit anyone, your efforts are in vain. I understand that it’s a shame that the slippers harshly let down the ultra-modern IDF, but this is not a reason to put an owl on the globe and try to compare the events in Ukraine and Gaza. Gaza is the scale of Mariupol, only the latter was incomparably better protected by the most motivated and well-equipped Ukrainian formations, and the Russian Federation did not equate the neighborhoods with civilians, the Ukrainian Nazis were hiding behind them. And the advantage was not 20-fold. Despite everything, within three months the city was taken by our troops. So it’s in vain that you’re trying to push this bullshit, you’ll just embarrass yourself.
      1. 0
        February 7 2024
        But the IDF did not declare that it was the “second army of the world,” and the local “shapiros” did not shout about cues... in the sense of Gaza in three days. As for the rest, I’ll be happy to read your refutations that they don’t fire or shoot down.
    2. +1
      February 7 2024
      Fascist? The Nazis of Israel are committing genocide, and this entity must be destroyed, which is what the fighters of Palestine (the indigenous people of this area) are working for. It is incredible that anyone can have any positive assessment of Israeli animals.
      Zionism is pure absolute evil.
      1. -1
        February 7 2024
        How about showing me a certificate? And next time the “fighters of Palestine”, or more simply put, the terrorists, may not like the Russian Federation in some way.
        1. +2
          February 7 2024
          The only internationally recognized terrorist in the region is Nazi Israel. Palestinians are defending their land.
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  21. -1
    February 6 2024
    Quote: Comrade
    In the world, the State of Israel has always been perceived as a Jewish state. State of the people-victims of genocide.

    Who is now engaged in genocide himself.
    If the Jews gave the go-ahead for the creation of a Palestinian state, there would be no problem. But Israel needs Palestinian lands, so this struggle will continue for a very long time.

    Zionists are no better than fascists, and Israel is a Zionist state.
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  23. -1
    February 6 2024
    Everything is correct except the name of the Palestinian resistance "terrorists".
    And simple calculus. In a thousand separate small tunnels, each 500 meters long and 2 square meters. meter cross section can cover 20 thousand fighters. This is one thousand cubic meters. 20 people, 1 cubic meter per day, will excavate such a tunnel in 50 days, less than 2 months, using hand tools. They cannot be flooded at the same time since they are not connected to each other. But connections and new exits can always be added if necessary.
    How many new tunnels can be built in just 4 months is not difficult to estimate.
    1. +4
      February 6 2024
      Quote: Kostadinov
      How many new tunnels can be built in just 4 months is not difficult to estimate.

      In Gaza, approximately 60% of housing has been destroyed and damaged. In fact, the entire country needs to be rebuilt instead of digging tunnels. And this is just for the right of a dozen sadistic Hamas to brutally rape Shanni Luk to death?
      1. -2
        February 7 2024
        What's the point in rebuilding Gaza until the Israeli terrorists are destroyed? The fighters for the freedom of Palestine will have to fight a lot more.
        And Shanni Look is entirely to blame - she shouldn’t have gone to Nazi Israel.
        1. +2
          February 7 2024
          Quote: NG inform

          And Shanni Look is entirely to blame - she shouldn’t have gone to Nazi Israel.

          During the war in Afghanistan, dushmans often refrained from capturing Soviet doctors, much less raping and killing them. When in Afghanistan, in the village of Chamkani, two families are fighting a war of complete mutual destruction, the family that runs out of ammunition often sends its girlfriend or woman through the battle formations to a friendly clan for help. The lady passes through the front line without fearing for her life or her honor, although the shooters trying to kill her brothers or husband and sons know that an hour after her march the relationship on the battlefield will change catastrophically for them. The killing of non-combatant women and children is contrary to human nature, and such killers in a patriarchal traditional society are themselves exterminated. Gaza and Hamas fit the term Nazi better than Israel. Israelis do not execute prisoners, much less rape Muslim women to death during military operations on live television.
          1. -3
            February 8 2024
            _Soviet doctors and even more so rape and kill_
            It's a lie.
            _Killing non-combatant women and children is contrary to human nature_
            Well, yes, that’s why Israel is fascist - it is the leader in this matter.
            _Nazi Bolle fits Gaza and Hamas_
            Definitely not. Israel is literally the standard of Nazism, the starting point by definition.
            _Israelis do not execute prisoners_
            Executed. And hostages are taken. And they commit genocide. Occupation. They support the Nazis.
            Why are you such a liar? Zionist or something? So you need to go to jail.
            1. +1
              February 9 2024
              Quote: NG inform
              _Soviet doctors and even more so rape and kill_
              It's a lie.

              My friend’s sister, as part of a medical group, along with the wounded, was captured by dushmans while transporting the wounded. Perhaps they were saved by the fact that there was a wounded captive dushman in the car. The enemy only carried away his wounded man and his medical supplies.
            2. 0
              February 9 2024
              Quote: NG inform
              Israel is literally the standard of Nazism, the starting point by definition.

              In the 20th century, borders in Europe were very often redrawn when states were created. The formation of Finland, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Croatia, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, South Ossetia, Abkhazia comes to mind. In all cases, the largest nationality after the state-forming nation from the very moment of its formation was subjected to greater oppression than the Palestinian Arabs in Israel. The Croats massacred a million Serbs, the Czechs and Poles drove out the Germans without exception. The Palestinians have actually been in a state of war with the Jews since 1949, but Israel has not carried out a wholesale deportation of them. At least nothing similar to the deportations of Germans, Chinese and Koreans during the Soviet era is observed in Israel.
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  24. -3
    February 6 2024
    Further proof of the inability of Western armies, including the IDF, to win victories. They are only capable of destruction. Since WWII, the superiority of the Third Reich over other countries, including the Soviet Union, has been confirmed. The international community has not yet come up with anything new. This is the result of recent events, including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
  25. +3
    February 6 2024
    At the same time, the losses of the IDF itself are hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded.

    Israel's losses on the first day of the war, October 7, were approximately 1500 killed and subsequently died in captivity. The first 3 weeks of the war, when Israel adhered to a defensive strategy, 300 killed, 4 months of active offensive operations, 200 killed. So, conducting active military operations against Hamas is the most effective tactic and the most resource-saving for Israel. By the way, Egypt and the Arab countries are playing along with Israel by refusing to accept Palestinians from Gaza and are actually offering Israel to finish off Hamas at once by completely clearing Gaza of Hamas. The fact that the Israeli General Staff underestimated the military structure of Hamas and overestimated the capabilities of the Israeli Defense Forces, promising Netanyahu to destroy Hamas within six months, is a problem for the military. The Palestinians also thought on October 7 that the entire united military machine of Muslim countries from Afghanistan would stand up for them
    until Algeria and Israel will not decide on a military operation lasting more than a week.
    1. 0
      February 6 2024
      Quote: gsev
      By the way, Egypt and the Arab countries are playing along with Israel by refusing to accept Palestinians from Gaza and are actually offering Israel to finish off Hamas at once by completely clearing Gaza of Hamas.


      No one is playing along with Israel. The meaning of the neighbors' actions is to force Israel to leave the Gaza Strip, or to grant citizenship to more than 2 million Arabs.
      1. 0
        February 10 2024
        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
        No one is playing along with Israel.

        All the fuss of the PLO and then Hamaz with terrorism is, by and large, playing along with Israel. The Arabs have orders of magnitude more resources and people than Israel. All actions of Palestinian, Iranian, Egyptian, or Syrian terrorist groups or intelligence services have so far always been successfully stopped by Israel. On the other hand, the quiet work on the development of military equipment and science in Muslim countries, as was the case in Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia, made these countries resistant to attempts to destroy them. It is Iranian science and not the leadership of the IRGC that makes a military invasion of Iran difficult not only by Israel, but also by NATO. Government spending per capita in Gaza is no lower than in Moscow. If Hamas spent money on science and industry and not on war, then Jews would have long since gone from Israel to Gaza for a long ruble.
        1. 0
          February 11 2024
          Quote: gsev
          All the fuss of the PLO and then Hamaz with terrorism is, by and large, playing along with Israel. The Arabs have orders of magnitude more resources and people than Israel. All actions of Palestinian, Iranian, Egyptian, or Syrian terrorist groups or intelligence services have so far always been successfully stopped by Israel.


          The key words here are "so far". Previously, the Arab states immediately rushed into battle to support Palestine and lost, but now they get away with statements of support for Palestine and the Gaza Strip and are in no hurry to attack. Pro-Israel commentators claim a quick, easy victory. Is it so? More than two million residents of the Gaza Strip have not gone anywhere and the Arab states refuse to accept them. Has Israel won, in this situation, and what will happen next if anti-Israel sentiments are growing in the world. Apparently, the Arab states are determined to play a long game without compromise. Every year, the US government finds it increasingly difficult to obtain approval to provide assistance to Israel, and without this assistance, Israel will not survive.
  26. 0
    February 6 2024
    Unfortunately, even against the background of significant losses of Jews in the first days of the war, all this is not critical for Israel, but the suffering and losses of the Palestinians are terrible. Incommensurable damage to the parties. Some are rich and well-fed and the damage from the war is well 3% of GDP, while others are poor and hungry and they were also bombed to death.
  27. 0
    February 6 2024
    Quote: Per se.
    Another thing is Russia, Peter I, Stalin... What would happen without them

    But on the other hand we have Paul 1...
    "Not everything is so simple"
  28. +1
    February 6 2024
    But somehow I missed it: during these 4 months, did Hamaz still have captured Israeli hostages?
    Are the remnants still sitting somewhere in shelters near Gaza, under the supervision of militants or not?

    Because If there are no hostages - one conversation. And if there is, another one.
    1. +1
      February 6 2024
      Both sides say there are hostages. There have already been more than one protests about this in Israel. Like, solve this issue first of all and in this spirit. Negotiations are ongoing.
      I think that in the end Israel will wind down the operation in the Gaza Strip, but there is a high probability that it will begin along the border with Lebanon. A lot of strength has already been accumulated there.
  29. +2
    February 6 2024
    stop the war for a longer period. Of course, I would like everything to work out


    Well, as if it would be very profitable for Russia that it doesn’t stop there and doesn’t calm down.
    and diverted attention, and especially resources, from Ukraine...
  30. +1
    February 6 2024
    Naturally, Tel Aviv is looking for ways to get out of this war. Netanyahu is looking for ways to maintain power. And without negotiations with Hamas, nothing can be done here. And such negotiations are already taking place. True, at the level of advisers and consultants. Simply put, preparations are underway for peace negotiations, in which top officials from both sides will take part.


    Maybe I’m a pessimist, but there are no good ways out of this Feast victory, not only for Netanyahu, but for all of Israel. The Israelis managed to turn everyone against themselves, both the Arab world and the European population, namely ordinary citizens. It will only get worse, and it will all end in another outcome. Only now will the Jews be perceived as a nation that committed genocide against the civilian population and was rightly expelled. An unpleasant prospect.
  31. +2
    February 6 2024
    “The soldiers, judging by the losses, are far from “Rambo.” The tanks burn beautifully, judging by the videos from Internet channels. The conscripts are openly cowardly and do not engage in battle with terrorists.”///
    ---
    Everything is exactly the opposite.
    Human losses are small.
    There is also little equipment lost irretrievably.
    Tanks and armored personnel carriers are repaired and returned to service.

    Young soldiers, on the contrary, have to be pulled out by force
    from close combat. There is too much zeal.

    In general, the analysis in the article is incorrect.
    This is not the first time for Israel to have such wars. There were dozens of them.
    Life in Israel is going on completely normally, the economy has hardly suffered.
    1. +2
      February 6 2024
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Everything is exactly the opposite.
      Human losses are small.
      There is also little equipment lost irretrievably.
      Tanks and armored personnel carriers are repaired and returned to service.

      Young soldiers, on the contrary, have to be pulled out by force
      from close combat. There is too much zeal.

      In general, the analysis in the article is incorrect.
      This is not the first time for Israel to have such wars. There were dozens of them.
      Life in Israel is going on completely normally, the economy has hardly suffered.


      If everything is so wonderful, why did you stop and prepare negotiations? Negotiations begin when there is no point in fighting.
      1. 0
        February 6 2024
        There is no stop for one hour.
        Continuous close fighting is taking place in the south of Gaza. In the city of Khan Yunis
        This is Hamas's main stronghold.
        There remains the city of Rafah, adjacent to the Egyptian border. The Hamas military leadership moved there, into the tunnels.
        Negotiations are ongoing regarding hostages. But the fighting did not stop. Aviation is being used less, since all the refugees from the cities of the north and center of Gaza have flocked to this area.
        1. -1
          February 6 2024
          Quote: voyaka uh
          There is no stop for one hour.
          Continuous close fighting is taking place in the south of Gaza. In the city of Khan Yunis
          This is Hamas's main stronghold.


          And what's next - Victory? Apparently, this is just the beginning.
          1. +1
            February 6 2024
            In the Middle East there are no such concepts as “surrender” or “victory”.
            This is not Europe.
            We need to finish off the military forces of Hamas, finish off the military leadership. And then “Allah is Great” laughing as our neighbors say.
            (ISIS also did not sign the surrender and no one extolled “victory”.
            But ISIS is no more)
            1. +1
              February 6 2024
              Quote: voyaka uh
              In the Middle East there are no such concepts as “surrender” or “victory”.
              This is not Europe.
              We need to finish off the military forces of Hamas, finish off the military leadership. And then “Allah is great,” as our neighbors say.
              (ISIS also did not sign the surrender and no one extolled “victory”.
              But ISIS is no more)


              You have more than 5% of the population called up for war, the working population, mostly men. Whose money will you use to finish off Hamas if the United States refuses financial and military assistance? Your problems today can be seen precisely in the loss of desire of the population of the USA and the EU to support Israel’s aggressive policies, and now also genocide. You don’t notice the genocide, but it’s obvious to others. I don’t know a single foreigner I know who would approve of your actions in the Gaza Strip.
              1. 0
                February 6 2024
                "support Israel's aggressive policies," ///
                ---
                I recognize the usual Soviet rhetoric from 50 years ago.
                "The Israeli military is known to the whole world. As a mother I speak, and as a woman, I demand them to answer!..." laughing
                Don’t get sick, be calm and confident, like the Israelis.
                And you will be happy. drinks
                1. +2
                  February 6 2024
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Don’t get sick, be calm and confident, like the Israelis.
                  And you will be happy.


                  How long will your happiness last if even Biden, without swearing, does not remember Netanyahu? Your problems are in your near future. Good luck in resolving them in the UN, Europe and the USA; it is unlikely that you will receive a warm welcome there. Most likely you will have to make room and go for the creation of a Palestinian state. Why did they fight?
            2. +1
              February 9 2024
              Quote: voyaka uh
              But ISIS is no more)

              In Russia, the structures of terrorism seem to have been more effectively destroyed than ISIS in the Middle East, but after communicating with D. Dudayev’s secretary, I came to the conclusion that the editorial policy of Novaya Gazeta before the murder of A. Politkovskaya was carried out precisely by the terrorist underground.
        2. +4
          February 6 2024
          Warrior, you made the main mistake in that now all the talk about the incalculable suffering of the Jews in the 20th century, for which you were actually written off quite a lot, is no longer of systematic interest to anyone in the West. Please note that I am not talking about Russia, but about the West and even your support - the USA.
          All these stories Israel suffered a lot of losses, not enough, this is for online discussions. Israel's GDP fell and by how much. It's all empty. And in full, this is what I wrote about.
          And it all started with the fact that they not only did not condemn, but also flirted with fascism in Ukraine.
          And you lost this war, because now a Palestinian state will be created in any case, no matter how much Netanyahu struggles. You will still shake everyone’s nerves pretty much, but perhaps we should not nod at the bad world, but keep an eye on Hamas, which obviously did not even count on this result from the beginning.
          1. -1
            February 6 2024
            The Palestinians could proclaim a state in any moment is already 20 years old. No one can stop them. But the trick is that they don’t want their own state.
            The state is its income and expenses, its taxes, its budget.
            And they will stop helping them as soon as it is proclaimed.
            There are 22 independent Arab states. Somehow they live if there is no oil. smile
            1. +4
              February 6 2024
              It’s all “nothing”, they could, they couldn’t. In fact, it was already proclaimed 80 years ago. You just didn't like it. The result of this disgrace is simple - there will be two states. For politics in the macro dimension, this is the outcome and the result. But tactically, you in the region and in the media can measure everything any way you like. Did you want "two states"? No. They will? They will. Well, this is the result. History will evaluate our epic with Kiev according to exactly the same principle, by the way. This applies to everyone, whether China, the USA, etc.
            2. +2
              February 6 2024
              The United States as a system, of course, made a colossal mistake by allowing the Jewish lobby to bind its policies. In fact, transnational banking, although based on Jewish surnames, is not pro-Israel at all. And politics is thoroughly saturated with your insurgents in the USA. The press traditionally goes crazy, foaming about what's going on in Israel, as if the US has no other topics at all. And there are topics and there are problems, but your Israeli madness really drowns everything. Some schizos are drowning for Israel “from sea to sea like in the days of David,” other Jews are yelling that the state of Israel should not exist at all, they say this abolishes the provisions of the Law and Predestination. Some and others form a wild agenda of nerves, madness, and foam. Old man Kissinger could not clean it all up, although he himself was actually a Jew. It was necessary to divide you and Palestine, give money for a concrete wall 50 meters high, and a significant part of the problem would be solved. How to recognize the Golan as yours based on the results of the war, so that this issue can be removed. Lebanon would traditionally be easier for everyone to deal with. But all this Israeli madness in American politics has only been a disadvantage for you, and it has played and continues to play. The United States cannot think and work rationally, and you will continue to hang between the feeling of being “chosen by God” and “a small state of a small people.” This alone should lead to a madhouse, which is what happens.
              1. ada
                0
                February 7 2024
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                The USA as a system certainly made a colossal mistake...

                How to say? Rather, these are their costs or “special” conditions for maintaining their “self-reproducing military base” in the right place on the BV from the S-ZM side and so far there is nothing to replace it with. For this reason they will take care.
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                ... It was necessary to divide you and Palestine, give money for a concrete wall 50 meters high, and a significant part of the problem would be solved. ...
                What about sport mode? No, everyone should be in good shape, but there’s no point in planning any good, these pacifist fantasies are useless. The country is an army and they can’t relax, they still have to die in the struggle for the happiness of the hegemon, but for now let them be bombarded with nuclear weapons and chemical smoke, and rackets with bonbons stored in caves.
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                ... The United States cannot think and work rationally, ...
                I’m not sure, I’m more inclined to think that they have it now, some, in striped swimsuits, simply don’t feel the need for this and allow such a stage. Then, you can wait it out where, let’s say in Australia, there is an ocean and a reef, a blue sky, the expanse of savannahs and bushes, all sorts of kangaroos jumping, koalas and platypuses, nature in a word and already old - you can allow yourself to relax.
  32. 0
    February 6 2024
    Hmmm...! Malbrouk (that is, Netanyahu!) is going on a campaign! He ate matzah...on the לְחַרְבֵּן campaign and asked for negotiations! Now for a long time, Israelis will hear every morning on the news (and tell each other) that Netanyahu is an asshole (מודאג)! And this is understandable! How many Israeli-Soldatens have already left their TOOTH in the Gaza tunnels and received couscous from Hamas! wink
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    1. 0
      February 6 2024
      Perhaps you missed it, but the winner was determined by the new year and it is Hamas. They achieved their goals, unlike the IDF. In addition, Israel is already forced to withdraw troops from the north of Gaza, where the Palestinians are returning, negating the chances of a 0 result.
      As for peace in the region, it is unlikely until Israel liberates the occupied territories, which is difficult to imagine if the current apartheid policy continues. Moreover, with each successive defeat, Israel's likelihood of survival decreases, leaving less room for bargaining over its future.
      1. Des
        +1
        February 6 2024
        Quote: Dima68
        there is less room for bargaining over their future.
        Israel does not bargain about survival.
        1. -1
          February 7 2024
          Whoever asks him will bargain or not bargain. Everything is heading towards the fact that the United States will return to its continent, and Israel will disappear from the world map. Either the Jews will negotiate, return to the 1947 option, or at best 1967, or they will be thrown into the sea.
      2. ada
        0
        February 7 2024
        Quote: Dima68
        ...Israel's likelihood of survival will decrease, leaving less room for bargaining over its future.

        Quote: Des
        Israel does not bargain about survival.

        These are the tasks of the owner of the state apparatus and military infrastructure of the coastal bridgehead with a number of universal solutions for the region and further to E-AK, and he will not hand them over to some local Jews to solve.
  34. +1
    February 6 2024
    “Including famous people, children of politicians and other elite... There are no discounts for these categories. And at the front they are. Including among the dead and missing. And this is perceived very negatively by society.” How’s that? Can't we send politicians and their children? A very interesting conclusion. Here we are clearly ahead of Israel and do not make such mistakes
  35. -1
    February 6 2024
    It is incorrect to call Hamas terrorists. Firstly, they are fighting on their territory, with the same success one can call the Ukrainian Armed Forces a terrorist organization.
    And secondly, in Russia Hamas is not recognized as a terrorist organization; accordingly, in world practice it is correct to call them partisans.
    1. +2
      February 7 2024
      Dima68
      In Russia, those that conduct terrorist activities against Russia are recognized as terrorist organizations. Hamas, not only did not conduct such activities, but it abandoned it.
      I wouldn’t call Hamas partisans either. This is an armed group created with the help of Israel and seized power in a certain territory. It practices various methods of struggle against a neighboring state, including terrorist attacks.
      In general, THIS IS A RIOT IN A PRISON, AGAINST JAILERS.
      The Ukrainian Armed Forces is a terrorist organization because it practices terror against civilians. Territory - “our own or someone else’s” - is not important - Islamists also carry out terrorist attacks on “their” territory
      1. +1
        February 7 2024
        “Territory - “one’s own or someone else’s” - is not important” - oh, how important. It is not for nothing that the Chechens were not recognized as terrorists in the world, despite Budennovsk and others. Guerrillas differ from terrorists in that they carry out terrorist attacks in the context of military operations to protect their own borders. And therefore the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not recognized as terrorists, despite all the attempts of our diplomacy. But ISIS and the Taliban are terrorists because they committed terrorist attacks against the legitimate government.
        1. +3
          February 7 2024
          Quote: Dima68
          It’s not for nothing that the world has not recognized Chechens as terrorists,

          In principle, the reaction of Russian society to the actions of Hamas is identical to the reaction of Western society to the actions of Dudayev and Basayev in Chechnya and Zelensky-Kolomoisky in Ukraine regarding the genocide of Russians.
        2. +1
          February 8 2024
          Dima68
          This is how partisans differ from terrorists

          Somehow you are confused in your reasoning. Whether they are recognized or not, terrorists do not cease to be terrorists. Most terrorists have masters. The owners of the Chechen militants, who then played first fiddle in the world, influenced them not to be recognized as terrorists.
          Terrorist attacks are never a defense of anything. It's always an attack. And it would be okay to attack Israeli troops, but there were also attacks on civilians and hostage-taking. Such actions are terrorism and nothing else, and those who committed them are terrorists. In my opinion, Hamas protects no one and nothing, but plays his own game. Moreover, there is evidence that Israel itself had a hand in the creation and support of Hamas. There were similar stories with the Taliban, ISIS and al-Qaeda - the Americans raised them, and they began to fight with the Americans. It seems that the story with Hamas is not all pure either.
          On the other hand, Israel also carries out terror against the residents of Gaza, and there is no justification for this. Israel was attacked by Hamas, and Israel is attacking Gaza indiscriminately, destroying, first of all, the civilian population. Very reminiscent of the motto of the crusaders who destroyed heretics in medieval France: “Kill them all, and God will sort it out!” In essence, the Nazi policy of exterminating a people declared superfluous on their own soil. And the Nazi essence of the Zionist state has never been a secret to anyone.
          1. 0
            February 9 2024
            Why do you think I'm confused in my reasoning? Terrorism has two dimensions, perception within the country and on a global scale. Inside Israel, Hamas, Basayev, Budanov can be considered anyone, but in global practice they are not terrorists.

            As for Russia, Israel and Hamas, my personal opinion is that for our country the leaders of Hamas are no more terrorists than Mr. Netanyahu and the leadership of Israel. Some and others are engaged in terror inside and outside their borders. Yes, on October 7, Hamas killed many civilians and took hostages, but Israel regularly kills civilians and imprisons Palestinians without trial. How are murdered Jews different from murdered Palestinians?

            Taking into account Israel’s unfriendly position on Ukraine for the Russian Federation, I do not understand the hypocrisy in the Russian-speaking segment, where many support Israel. To me, both sides of the Palestinian conflict are engaged in brutal murders and I personally adhere to the idea that citizenship should be prohibited in Russia for residents of both Israel and Palestine as a whole.
            1. 0
              February 10 2024
              Dima68
              You are arguing inconsistently and contradicting yourself.
              There are no shortcuts to terror and terrorism. These are crimes that are unjustified. There are no “our” and “not our” terrorists. In Russia, those organizations that conduct terrorist activities against Russia are declared criminal and terrorist. But if someone was not announced, this does not mean that this group has somehow changed because of this.
              Global practice concerns Russia only to the extent that it is acceptable for Russia. If you don’t already know, in Russia, Russian law has priority over international law. Now we don’t have “our own sons of bitches” like the United States.
              If you haven’t noticed yet, I’m not making excuses for anyone. The terror of the Israeli Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe, as well as the Zionist state as a whole, is no less immoral and criminal than the terror of militants.
              Regarding support for Israel in RuNet. You don’t take into account that a significant share of the RuNet is made up of Jews. This is, firstly. Secondly, if you haven’t noticed, a certain part of the RuNet, not necessarily Jewish, opposes the North Military District and supports the country 404. It is this part that supports Israel. There is no contradiction here, ordinary Western liberals. Israel is an integral part of the Western world, and it receives corresponding support.
              As for citizenship. I don’t see the point in any bans and restrictions for people who are not guilty of anything. The bans apply only to those who pose a danger to Russia. Any barriers are only incitement to hatred and xenophobia.
              And even if some Israeli in words (but not in deeds!!!) supports the Zionist Luftwaffe, but did not throw bombs himself, and some Palestinian supports Hamas, but did not shoot at people, this does not mean that they can deprive the right to obtain Russian citizenship. By the way, it’s not so easy to get it. Another question is that people with dual or more citizenship should not hold any important government positions, just as they should not be elected to deputies
              1. 0
                February 10 2024
                That’s what I’m talking about, in Russia Hamas is not considered terrorists, so for us, they are partisans.
                As for the second citizenship, my position is that it’s time to end these liberal games. A citizen is someone who permanently lives in a country, pays taxes in it and works for its prosperity. What is the use of residents of Gaza or Israel, who left Russia a long time ago, but at the same time influence government elections, demand that the state help and protect them in difficult situations, have preferential taxation and often receive Russian pensions.
  36. +1
    February 6 2024
    In Gaza, approximately 60% of housing has been destroyed and damaged. In fact, the entire country needs to be rebuilt instead of digging tunnels.

    You have a wonderful idea - when they bomb, you don’t have to dig tunnels and build dachas. How I haven't thought of it until now.
    And this is just for the right of a dozen sadistic Hamas to brutally rape Shanni Luk to death?

    I didn’t realize that Hamas’s goal was rape onion. Thanks for the enlightenment.
    1. 0
      February 7 2024
      Quote: Kostadinov
      I didn’t realize that Hamas’s goal was rape onion. Thanks for the enlightenment.

      I meant that by their actions on October 7, Hamas really only achieved the opportunity to kill and rape several hundred Jewish women at the cost of destroying the infrastructure of their country. In the same way, Bulgaria, fighting on the side of Hitler, only achieved the destruction of half a million Serbs in Jasinovets and several million Jews in Majdanek, Buchenwald and Auschwitz.
      1. +1
        February 10 2024
        You are mistaken, with its action on October 7, Hamas achieved the breakdown of separate negotiations between Israel and the Saudis and the extradition of Palestinians languishing in Israeli prisons.
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  38. +2
    February 7 2024
    A simple statistic that few people know about, much less think about.
    The Moscow budget at the exchange rate as of June 11.06, 2022 in dollars is 57 billion 700 million.
    The Gaza Strip's annual budget is about $15 billion.
    Compare Moscow with its territory and population and a piece of land in the Sector, the size of a Moscow region and the same amount of population.
    Money in Moscow is visible to the naked eye.
    Where is all this money in the Sector?
    Does anyone see? So every year.
    Here is the answer to many questions.
    1. 0
      February 7 2024
      Sanktperburg1812
      Incorrect comparison. Something like “big tomatoes are tasty, but small ones are not.” What shishi in Gaza were used to build houses, hospitals, and even a university and an Internet provider?
      1. +1
        February 7 2024
        Autumn is even correct. This is all to say that with this money it was possible to establish a good life in Gaza. But in reality there is semi-poverty there.
        They steal from themselves
        1. 0
          February 8 2024
          Sanktperburg1812
          "To me autumn Are you sorry, civilians? (((What kind of good life can there be in the conditions of the largest concentration camp in the world, from where you cannot leave, and everything you need is brought there exclusively by smuggling? Key question: Would you want to live in such conditions?
          Yes, and who is to blame for such a “good life”? Has Hamas surrounded this piece of land with walls on all sides and banned the import of even light bulbs and animal feed?
          Only the bosses and their henchmen live well in prisons. Well, it’s about the same here.
          And these conditions were created, first of all, by the surrounding countries, and not only Israel, but also Egypt fenced itself off with a wall and ditches with water.
          By the way, in the photo of pre-war Gaza there are many multi-storey buildings, clean and green streets. Just don’t repeat the Zionist tales that Gazans are fattening. People, despite everything, even in the conditions of the reservation, tried to establish a normal life.
          1. +1
            February 9 2024
            Have pity on yourself autumn autumn. I also recommend finding out how Gaza was supplied, where they pumped everything from and where they worked. You will definitely begin to feel sorry for yourself and burst into tears when you find out the realities.
            And block Wikipedia.
            1. -1
              February 10 2024
              Sanktperburg1812
              About autumn You wrote yourself bully
              Wikipedia is for young iPhone fanatics.
              Why do you think that I don’t know how Gaza was supplied? I believe that the current situation in Gaza is very beneficial to all surrounding countries, and not only Israel, but Egypt and Jordan. Nobody is interested in solving this problem. And don’t tell me that people lived in luxury there, that there was a high level of literacy there. Yes, they swam... a small elite of Hamas and close businessmen. And the large number of literate and unemployed people only led to highly motivated Hamas militants.
              How does it work out here? The bar fights, and the slaves' forelocks crack. The civilians of Gaza have become extreme and cannot even leave their concentration camp.
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              2. -1
                February 15 2024
                Have you already run and complained?
                1. -1
                  February 15 2024
                  I promised. Do you want a ban? It's also possible. You can continue like this. There will be no more answers. It is not interesting to conduct research due to the low level of culture and intelligence of individual users. Dot
                  1. -1
                    February 15 2024
                    Don't cry. This is a military site, not a chat for ladies. Run and complain quickly.
                    1. -1
                      February 15 2024
                      Such “military” (????) in our company did nothing but crawl around the parade ground and did not get out of the “seating areas” cleaning outfits.
                      1. -1
                        February 15 2024
                        You promised not to answer anymore, clown? A crybaby served on a subsidiary farm?))) Noticeably offended by life. Run and complain
                      2. -1
                        February 15 2024
                        It's always funny when someone writes to themselves. He honestly admits what he did in the army and what role he played in life.
                      3. 0
                        February 16 2024
                        Have you already written a denunciation, crybaby? Or will you threaten not to answer 101 times? Noticeable and typical behavior in life. It’s obvious that you’re not pulling it out, but you’re trying to move the arrows. As I say, a clown.))) typical behavior of an Internet fleacher from the back room)
                      4. 0
                        February 16 2024
                        Has Shlemik Solomonovich Mamzershtein woke up? How are you, shaggy? Do anti-Semites offend everyone? Why are playful little hands reaching for the keyboard? Maybe use them differently?
                      5. 0
                        February 16 2024
                        What, clown, don’t you give up? The utility room has signed up for life in the half-brain cortex. When there is nothing left to say)))))
                      6. 0
                        February 16 2024
                        Hmmm, the anti-Semites really offended me - the memories of how they mocked me in the back room still haunt me. This is how schizophrenics are treated now - the psychiatrists are good and the antipsychotics are strong. One injection - and no flashbacks for six months. I strongly recommend it. If hallucinations are tormenting, I will write in the next message the name of the hospital and medications
                      7. 0
                        February 16 2024
                        Well, what about the clown? Are there not enough arguments anymore? Did you run to the admins to cry?
                        I saw so many of these during my service. All sorts of things passed through my hands. I can even tell you who you were during the emergency. And I will guess with 90% probability. First, you show off in front of a person you don’t know, showing off with half-assed stuff about iPhones. And then you deliver drool and run to write denunciations.
                        Clown. This is the most harmless thing that suits you.
                      8. -1
                        February 16 2024
                        I recommend contacting Psychiatric Clinical Hospital No. 1, named after Alekseev (aka Kanatchikova Dacha, also known as Kashchenko Hospital). Address: Moscow, Zagorodnoye Shosse, building 2. They will help you there. I asked colleagues who work in this clinic, they say that such repeated delusions are very similar to schizoaffective psychosis. But there are good modern foreign medicines - rispolept, iprasidone, quetiapine. Powerful and effective! Will allow you to quickly return to normal life. Just don’t delay it, otherwise such psychosis is dangerous for the patient himself.
                        And after treatment it is necessary to be examined to exclude the possibility of dementia. It is better to prevent it at an early stage, then antipsychotic drugs will not help.
                      9. 0
                        February 16 2024
                        O. Got it. Touched a nerve )))
                        You promised, you swore, you squeezed your buns, that’s all))
                        You write directly according to a familiar template. Did you reprint the doctor’s prescriptions for yourself, clown?
                        Well, let's wait for the next issue from you. Don't let me down already!)
                        Now what's the score? 102 or 110th non-Chinese?))))
                        Ask the club for help! Did you make up the denunciation as a cover?)))
                      10. 0
                        February 16 2024
                        I'm a surgeon. If you need to cut off any excess, please contact us. I'll take you to the operation without waiting. I can do it without anesthesia if I really need it. And the psychiatrist is waiting for your visit. There are many of them, there are also heavier ones. Everyone is being treated
                      11. 0
                        February 17 2024
                        So, I set the task - xEp-urg.
                        So that no earlier than 10:00 this day there will be the following hysterical message. You don't have to worry about too many lines. But at least five at a minimum. Let's evaluate the excitement and level of s... zma.
                        Execute! )))
                        106th))))
                      12. 0
                        February 17 2024
                        If “IT” hurts, then you need to see a venereologist. In our department they can only amputate and stitch up. Low social responsibility will not bring you any good! Get treatment! And send your contact “friends” for examination before it’s too late! Venereal diseases also affect the brain!
                      13. 0
                        February 19 2024
                        107 clown?))))
                        I've been waiting for something for a long time. The outfit is out of turn for you.
                      14. 0
                        February 19 2024
                        Sidorov pianists woke up from heavy antipsychotic medications? Or antibiotics from "bad" diseases helped? Or "boyfriend" behind suddenly cheered you up?
                      15. 0
                        February 19 2024
                        Clown - xEr-urg. Be consistent. ))
                        You can’t pull out the 108th anymore)))))
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  39. -3
    February 7 2024
    Terrorists are the Israeli terrorist herd of the IDF or Mossad.
    1. +2
      February 9 2024
      And in Hamas there are simply angels. Cats right
      1. 0
        February 10 2024
        Sanktperburg1812
        This does not mean that the actions of the Israeli Luftwaffe can be justified. Hamas fought with the Israeli state, and it found scapegoats in the form of civilians in Gaza. Who is better, Hamas or the Zionist state?
        1. -2
          February 12 2024
          When Hamas went to kill civilian women and children (they shot them in their cribs, my friends from Israel sent me photos and videos), what did they hope for? They didn’t understand that Israel would respond just as harshly and fly to their families and everyone else?
          1. +1
            February 13 2024
            Sanktperburg1812
            They won’t send you something like this from Israel; they have a long-standing tradition of squeezing out tears from other countries.
            If you walk past a fence and a three-letter word is written on it, do you immediately see the object described by this word?
            Didn’t Israel understand that by dropping bombs, it was not killing Hamas, but civilian women and children? What kind of double standards?
            By the way, would you like a rocket or drone to fly from behind the Northern Military District “from there”? No? Well, how can that be! It's your fault!
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      2. -1
        February 10 2024
        They act legally and legitimately. They fight against some of the most brutal invaders.
  40. +1
    February 7 2024
    I don’t want to run into local anti-Semites, but I will say in defense of Israel:
    1) Hamas has hostages, this greatly complicates everything (from military operations to pressure from the population from within). Especially considering Tel Aviv's "zero tolerance" for losses.
    2) The Israeli army is larger, more technologically advanced and stronger, but Hamas went underground and generally chose the tactics of guerrilla rebels. It is difficult to fight paramilitary formations. The only thing that comes to mind is Ermolov’s success in the Caucasus, but then there were no reporters (and it didn’t take 4 months).
    3) The commentator above was right: Israel is being shelled less often, some of the hostages were returned home, Hamas has objectively become very weak.

    At the same time, I do not deny the fact that Israel’s methods of “ironizing” the Palestinians are sometimes unnecessary. And intelligence overslept them, which means it is not as omnipotent as they said. Well, the hypocrisy of the West is obvious.

    Just let’s not, as part of the fight against propaganda alone, hang all the dogs on Israel and thus sculpt exactly the same propaganda (but in different colors). War is a complex matter, any army is impeccable only on paper, and any General Staff is not mistaken only as long as it draws arrows.
    1. 0
      February 7 2024
      Israel also has hostages.
      "sometimes too much." Hitler was more humane than Benny, but that’s normal.
      1. 0
        February 11 2024
        You are apparently writing from somewhere in Europe, since you are not so afraid of the Russian article about the justification of Nazism.
        1. 0
          February 11 2024
          I do not justify him, on the contrary, I calmly and publicly declare that Israel is an ultra-Nazi state that must be destroyed, and its inhabitants must be denazified and deported to Germany.
    2. 0
      February 8 2024
      Enverych
      I don’t want to run into local anti-Semites

      It is Israel's policies that are anti-Semitic. I will enlighten the inexperienced: Arabs, like Jews, are Semitic peoples. Therefore, any destruction of Arabs is an act of anti-Semitism.
      And the Israeli state, which itself has tied the knot from which its citizens suffer, also exhibits anti-Semitism towards Israelis.
      Although, I assume that this boil in the Middle East was created artificially and deliberately, by international Jewish oligarchs
      1. -1
        February 8 2024
        Yeah, we're tired of confusing anti-Zionists and anti-Semites. I am not an anti-Semite, I just believe that the destruction of Israel and the punishment of all who support it are necessary.
        1. +1
          February 8 2024
          NG inform
          There is no particular need for the destruction of Israel. Please note that I am not a supporter of either Israel or Hamas, I am for reasonable solutions.
          But it is necessary to disgrace its leaders, bring Israel to peace, and integration into the community of Middle Eastern states, but how to do this? I think it is no coincidence that there is not a single country where there were Jews and the population of these countries, at a minimum, did not like them. I do not specifically use the term “anti-Semitism” due to its deceitfulness.
          On the other hand, the community of Jews is very heterogeneous, there are anti-Zionist and anti-fascist forces there, but the first violin is played by the Zionists, who have never been to Israel
          1. 0
            February 8 2024
            Israel is fighting against us and the UN, it is not needed. Hamas is like the locals, they can do it.
          2. 0
            February 9 2024
            Quote: futurohunter
            I think it is no coincidence that there is not a single country where there were Jews and the population of these countries, at a minimum, did not like them.

            Jews until the 20th century lived separately in their own environment. The lack of live contacts causes wariness, misunderstanding, and alienation. For example, I remember the first appearance of an ethnic Chinese in Stankin. He was very uncomfortable with the prickly looks of the students. Apparently he was sent to see how the educational process was going in Stankin, but after 2 visits to lectures and a seminar, he no longer appeared after talking with the teacher. The students, in turn, were surprised by the friendly and attentive and cordial attitude of the department head towards the Chinese. It turned out that as students they studied together and time did not destroy their friendship. Anti-Semitism is absent where Jews have integrated into the local culture. An interesting example is Afghanistan, where the majority of Jews converted to Islam.
            1. +1
              February 10 2024
              gsev
              Regarding anti-Semitism. In my life, here in Russia, I have had the opportunity to encounter a lot of Jews. And everyone was different. There was a guy at the institute who was the life of the party, he even told jokes about Jews.
              And there were those who emphasized their Jewishness, contrasted themselves with others, and stirred up something (engaged in intrigue, fraud, snitching, etc. immorality). It is obvious what attitude was towards them. I still have many Jewish friends, including in Israel - they support the position of their government. But I have completely normal relations with them, although I just think the actions of their government are wrong.
              We had a poignant moment in communication when I was asked to send out invitations to a concert by Makarevich, Grebenshchikov and other traitors to Russia in defense of Israel. To which I replied: don’t send me more of these, they are an empty place for me.
              Personally, I believe that ordinary, ordinary people are not to blame for anything
            2. 0
              February 10 2024
              Yeah, re-read Taras Bulba. There is a reason why Jews were slaughtered by everyone they could - because of the brutal ideology and constant attempts to destroy the local population.
              1. 0
                February 10 2024
                Quote: NG inform
                Re-read Taras Bulba.

                I don’t remember that Jews killed anyone in Taras Bulba. Gogol wrote with humor how Taras was either going to execute a Jewish businessman, then he borrowed money from him until the next robbery (hiking for zipuns), or he hired himself into his service to collect debts.
              2. +1
                February 13 2024
                NG inform
                That's right, in Little Russia the Jews deceived the local population and mocked them. For which they were raked... The pogroms are still remembered (in my opinion, the pogroms in Little Russia are even included in Jewish history).
                All anti-Semitic (anti-Semitism is an incorrect expression) companies, as in medieval Spain, Germany and other countries and other times, had very specific reasons. And the Jews themselves were to blame for this. There is a Hebrew word, chutzpah, which means impudence.
                But, I’ll emphasize once again, you shouldn’t hang all the blame on other representatives of a given people because of the actions of very specific scoundrels
  41. -1
    February 7 2024
    The Jews became quiet in the comments of the North Military District. And have you thought about your chosenness of God?
    1. +2
      February 7 2024
      they were simply banned and their mouths shut, well, in general, everything is as you like
      1. -2
        February 7 2024
        Do you support Nazism and terrorism? Do you like it when our people are killed?
        1. +2
          February 8 2024
          Where is the connection between supporting terrorism and banning and silencing those who tell the truth and do not violate the laws of the Russian Federation? Did the banned people like it when your guys were killed? I didn't notice something like that,
          The meaning of your comment remains unclear to me
          1. -2
            February 8 2024
            Please confirm that Israel's policies are deeply criminal, and that Zionism is a form of Nazism?
            1. +2
              February 8 2024
              Why would I confirm some of your nonsense? you think so, you confirm it
              1. -1
                February 8 2024
                This is not nonsense, these are facts. The fact that you are unable to admit the facts is a sign that you are inadequate. Like Natsik.
  42. 0
    February 7 2024
    For some reason, NATO suddenly stopped offering Russia and Ukraine the Israeli option
    1. 0
      February 8 2024
      Totor5
      What is the Israeli version for Russia and 404? Surround 404 with a fence, destroy the entire infrastructure, and supply gas, water, electricity and other resources from Russia? Ban the import of everything possible into 404, deprive 404 citizens of work, and replace gasters from Central Asia with gasters from 404?

      By the way, guys from Western Ukraine once worked in my office. They worked well, clearly and responsibly. It was always possible to reach an agreement. They did not express any special political sentiments, but they did not like their power. And there were never any problems with them, unlike the same Central Asians
  43. +1
    February 7 2024
    Quote: Enverych
    I don’t want to run into local anti-Semites, but I will say in defense of Israel:
    1) Hamas has hostages, this greatly complicates everything (from military operations to pressure from the population from within). Especially considering Tel Aviv's "zero tolerance" for losses.
    2) The Israeli army is larger, more technologically advanced and stronger, but Hamas went underground and generally chose the tactics of guerrilla rebels. It is difficult to fight paramilitary formations. The only thing that comes to mind is Ermolov’s success in the Caucasus, but then there were no reporters (and it didn’t take 4 months).
    3) The commentator above was right: Israel is being shelled less often, some of the hostages were returned home, Hamas has objectively become very weak.

    At the same time, I do not deny the fact that Israel’s methods of “ironizing” the Palestinians are sometimes unnecessary. And intelligence overslept them, which means it is not as omnipotent as they said. Well, the hypocrisy of the West is obvious.

    Just let’s not, as part of the fight against propaganda alone, hang all the dogs on Israel and thus sculpt exactly the same propaganda (but in different colors). War is a complex matter, any army is impeccable only on paper, and any General Staff is not mistaken only as long as it draws arrows.


    If you don't want to, don't bother. For you, an anti-Semite is someone who is not for Israel?
    Where was Israel when the Nazis cut off the heads of our military? Why should I care about this country?
    1. +1
      February 7 2024
      No, I am a supporter of the classical interpretation of the concept of “anti-Semitism”. There are simply more and less popular points of view on VO. Consideration of the latter usually leads to disadvantages.

      Specifically, you or anyone else may not care about Israel or anything else. What to fill your head with (and occupy your soul) is everyone’s personal choice.
      But if we want to analyze military actions around the world (Military Review, as it were), then it makes sense to look at other conflicts. At a minimum, to learn from other people’s mistakes and/or learn from experience. And in order to learn, and not just mock, you need to try to be more objective.

      Where was Israel? Well, from the global West, he is practically the “most pro-Russian”. Now this is measured in the absence of serious Russophobia (which in itself is bad), but Tel Aviv is certainly not the worst of partners. And there are a lot of Russians there, it’s hard for them to go against Russia at all.
      1. 0
        February 8 2024
        Enverych
        Israel is not pro-Russian, but the most pro-American - the 51st US state. And the Israeli economy is integrated with the American one. And the opinion of Russian-speaking people... let's just say, no one really cares, even in Israel. I have Israeli friends who don’t have a very good attitude towards Russia because of the NWO. And they claim that the majority of Israelis support the country 404. So, if you don't know, don't wave the flag.
        And to learn... What to learn from them? How to fight against illegal armed groups, destroying all life around them? Because they don’t know any other way and don’t want to fight
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          February 8 2024
          Pro-Russian was put in quotation marks for a reason. You are all right about ties with America, but if you make a list of assistance provided to Ukraine by various countries, then Israel will be much closer to the end of the list. Sorry, these are the times - we choose “friends” from would-be enemies (quotes again, please note).
          There are almost 20% Russians in Israel - slightly less than Arabs. No one disputes that Israel is a Jewish state, but the presence of such a large diaspora is difficult to ignore. And there are even more Russian speakers there.
          What to study? Well, they mobilized quickly. And they have an institute of reservists. And military service is prestigious.
          And I’m not waving flags, it’s just that the stereotypical manner of hanging all the dogs on Israel has already set the teeth on edge. We ourselves have a difficult path ahead of us in solving all current problems. And it seems to me that there are more significant things on this path than the habit of badmouthing Tel Aviv.
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            February 8 2024
            Enverych
            Somehow your judgments do not at all correspond to your nickname)))
            if you make a list of assistance provided to Ukraine by various countries, then Israel will be much closer to the end of the list
            Apparently, you do not know that Israel, at the request of the United States, itself supplies Ukraine with weapons, ammunition and instructors. The Americans just pay for everything. Then, you take only the last time. But, again, you don’t seem to know that Israelis fly only on American planes (even licensed ones, but that doesn’t stop them from being American). And in general, by and large, everything they have is American. Or, something military is being produced on Israeli territory by order of the United States and in the interests of the United States.

            choosing “friends” from would-be enemies
            What kind of friends are enemies? In the USSR-Russia, sober-minded politicians since the 50s have always had an attitude towards Israel as a French-American proxy. However, they split off from the French a long time ago.

            There are almost 20% Russians in Israel - slightly less than Arabs
            Again, who do you consider Russians there? They identify themselves as Jews, only Russian speakers. They call each other “Germans”, “Russians”, “Moroccans”, “Ethiopians”, according to the country from which they came, or their ancestors came from. There are just Russians there who do not have Jewish blood and do not consider themselves Jews - only relatives who came with the Jews. But there are few of them, hardly 20% - there is a fairly strict migration policy there. I repeat, initially, Israel was conceived and created as a state specifically for Jews. And, since you don’t know history, the most notorious Zionists and creators of Israel were precisely those from Russia and the USSR. And they are not at all friendly to Russia. The USA is much closer to them. Believe me, I know, I communicate personally.

            What to learn?
            And really, why? How can you, together with one terrorist, kill a thousand civilians and destroy an entire neighborhood? Or how to create the heaviest tank in the world out of shit and sticks, which can be knocked out with an old grenade launcher? You've heard enough fairy tales about Israel. This is a small country, an extremely bureaucratic totalitarian Nazi state, with a lot of internal problems.
            As for the prestige of conscript service, the most Orthodox Jews do not serve. Although, it would seem, they should be in the forefront... Moreover, many Orthodox do not support Israel's Palestinian policy.
            It is easier to mobilize people into a small army in a very small country than into the largest one in the world.
            And we learned everything we need to learn from Israel when we bought drones from them, which we call “Outpost.” They themselves are now learning from us. For example, they have “barbecues” on their tanks, which are only available in the armies of Russia and Ukraine. There is nothing to learn from them.

            Well, they mobilized quickly. And they have an institute of reservists. And military service is prestigious.
            we ourselves have a difficult path ahead in solving all current problems

            ...and future ones too. There are no and cannot be foreign recipes for the largest country in the world. Once we already chased foreign recipes. As a result... we have what we have now.

            out of habit to reproach Tel Aviv
            Nobody criticizes him, but it is impossible to deny objective reality. And I previously wrote, also, about the guilt of Arab countries. Moreover, I will say that the Palestinian problem is beneficial to many - both neighboring Arab countries and, oddly enough, Israel itself. Otherwise it would have been resolved long ago.
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              February 9 2024
              Thank you for your detailed answer on all points. I can’t quite agree completely, but there’s nothing to deny either.
              But why didn’t my nickname please you?
              Somehow your judgments do not at all correspond to your nickname)))
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                February 10 2024
                Enverych
                The nickname is pro-Turkish, the position is pro-Israeli. Doesn't fit
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                  February 10 2024
                  My position is exclusively pro-Russian.
                  But this does not prevent me from assessing surrounding events as objectively as my competence allows (whether it is sufficient or not, I cannot judge objectively). I advise everyone not to let personal likes (and dislikes) blind their eyes. It's hard, but you have to strive.

                  The story with the nickname is quite old (and hardly interesting to anyone). Your knowledge of Turkic onomastics is commendable, although specifically in my case Turkey has nothing to do with it.
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                    February 11 2024
                    Enverych
                    Thank you for your positive and polite answer))) Someone might have been offended)
                    It's not about liking. As far as I understand, you are judging by this site, perhaps by similar sites.
                    But what do you think, no one here studies foreign experience? For example, at TsAGI, there is an entire department of scientific and technical information on aviation. There are similar units in other defense and government organizations and departments. Enormous research work is being carried out. A lot of literature is published. Much of it can be found in the public domain. For example, the journal Foreign Military Review has been published for more than 60 years. Read, after all, the magazines “Aviation and Cosmonautics” and “Technology and Armament”. They are sold in stalls, but the articles in them are written by military professionals.
                    As for the Israeli experience. I believe that it was studied here back in the 70s and 80s. Since then, nothing new has appeared in the activities and weapons of the IDF. Rather, their negative experience of how not to fight might be of interest.
                    The most advanced war is now taking place on the Northern Military District front, in all respects. Both Russia and Ukraine demonstrate the latest innovations in technology, tactics and strategy. Even homemade Ukrainian equipment is worthy of attention, not to mention new Western equipment.
                    Now the two most powerful armies in the world are fighting on the Northern Military District front. And the Israeli army, just like Western armies, has never fought against a worthy and strong enemy. The wars of the past have shown that if really motivated and well-trained fighters came out against the start, the IDF ALWAYS SUFFERED DEFEAT. It's a pity that this didn't happen so often. The IDF, like any punitive military army, knows how to fight well only against the weak
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            February 8 2024
            A little educational program for armchair experts.
            From the very beginning, Israel was created not even as a Nazi state, but as a national socialist state, similar to fascist Germany. Only the lazy will not notice the analogy.
            The ideology of national exclusivity, with the destruction of those who were declared “subhuman” (Arabs), the cult of leaders. There were even elements of socialism - the Israeli economy began with state farms-kibbutzim. Just like Nazi Germany, Israel came into existence thanks to Britain and the USA. And just like Germany, Israel repaid its British benefactors with black ingratitude. Historians are well aware of the cooperation between German Nazis and Zionists, up to the surrender of Jewish militants in Europe to the Nazis. Read, for example, the book “The Curtain Rises.”

            About terminology. Anti-Semitism, as I wrote, is a false term. For the group of Semites is very large - these are all Arabs, and Bedouin Berbers (not Arabs), and Ethiopians, and Assyrians living in the Middle East, in Armenia, and even in Moscow. There is an older, but more accurate term - Judeophobia - hatred of Jews.

            And the term “anti-Semitism” is rather used by ideologized semi-criminal groups to cover up business gambles (also a Hebrew word).
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        February 8 2024
        Enverych
        And, in general, there are few Russians in Israel. Most of the population are Jews - this is a state of Jews, and for Jews, if you didn’t know. They can be “Russian” there only from the point of view of other Jews. Well, there are quite a few Russian spouses and spouses of Jews and Jewish women. And they are very different in mentality from Russian Russians. As for where to go - where the United States says - that's where they will go
  44. 0
    February 8 2024
    Quote: Enverych
    No, I am a supporter of the classical interpretation of the concept of “anti-Semitism”. There are simply more and less popular points of view on VO. Consideration of the latter usually leads to disadvantages.

    Specifically, you or anyone else may not care about Israel or anything else. What to fill your head with (and occupy your soul) is everyone’s personal choice.
    But if we want to analyze military actions around the world (Military Review, as it were), then it makes sense to look at other conflicts. At a minimum, to learn from other people’s mistakes and/or learn from experience. And in order to learn, and not just mock, you need to try to be more objective.

    Where was Israel? Well, from the global West, he is practically the “most pro-Russian”. Now this is measured in the absence of serious Russophobia (which in itself is bad), but Tel Aviv is certainly not the worst of partners. And there are a lot of Russians there, it’s hard for them to go against Russia at all.


    Yes, there are a lot of Russians there - Galkin, Chubais, Sobchak...
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      February 8 2024
      Totor5
      Sobchak has not disappeared from Russia... And it’s clear why...
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    February 8 2024
    Quote: futurohunter
    Totor5
    Sobchak has not disappeared from Russia... And it’s clear why...


    It’s not gone... She’s a person of the World... of the Western World, she moves here and there, with an Israeli passport in her pocket.
    Our people should have one passport, not an armful for all occasions!
    Well, the state of Israel has long lost its moral authority and the beloved world community (America) should impose sanctions on Israel due to the Jews’ violation of the process of creating a Palestinian state, as required by the UN.
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      February 8 2024
      Totor5
      Sobachak is not a “man of the world” at all, but an ordinary representative of the “fifth column”. And no one likes traitors, even those in whose favor they betrayed. Our traitors will never be “our own” there, but will always be “subhumans” who are simply convenient for certain tasks. But, when necessary, they are mercilessly drained. It’s like they started taking everything away from the Russian (I can’t call them “our”) oligarchs.
      And her Israeli passport is trivial because there are so few people in Israel that they drag everyone there who has at least some Jewish blood.
      Israel has never had much authority. Well, what kind of authority can an arrogant beggar have, who all the time with a plaintive look and an outstretched hand, while all the time robbing in the gateways? Israel is an American semi-proxy. Why semi? Because he is trying to pursue an independent policy, which is exactly as independent as the international Zionist oligarchs allow. And the United States will not impose sanctions on its proxy. Moreover, for the USA "The sheriff doesn't care about blacks' problems".
      Not to mention the fact that the UN has long been a pocket company of the United States
  46. 0
    February 8 2024
    The Israeli army is striking at Syria and Lebanon, and it doesn’t care about the opinions of other countries. Israel has drawn red lines against Arab countries, they won’t even make a peep, except for the Houthis. But those are Shiites. And that the Russian army is striking at Poland and England. The red lines, which are no longer known what color they are, have been discussed many times. As Jews, our army was supposed to demolish the entire western part of Ukraine, but we are different. That is, the leadership is different.
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      February 8 2024
      Deon59
      Israel is not drawing any red lines. It’s just that the authorities of most Arab countries are deeply corrupt and cowardly. What power doesn't do, money does.
      In essence, the rulers of Israel act like ordinary bandits, only at the state level. And bandits respect only strength...
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        February 8 2024
        Why should the Saudis fight for the Palestinians? Jordan has not yet forgotten about Black Friday. It makes no sense for Egypt to support Muslim brothers, if they demolished their own
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          February 8 2024
          Deon59
          I would say that no one is fighting for anyone there. There are many Arabs, they are very different, and Moroccans and Algerians are so different from the same Saudis that it’s time to talk about different peoples. Traditionally, Arab states have been ruled by the most powerful clan families, who have no interest in harnessing the power of other clans or other countries. "Just business” and nothing extra)) »
          About Jordan. Considering that once the territory of present-day Jordan was part of British Palestine, this “Black Friday” of yours is a civil war, a showdown between clans. By the way, the Queen of Jordan is Palestinian. Egypt controlled this very Gaza, and lost it ineptly. Arabs, for the most part, are mediocre warriors.
          And I said that the “Palestinian problem” and the 4 boils on this land - Israel, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and Jerusalem - are very beneficial to Israel, Britain and the United States, and the surrounding Arab countries. For the Arabs, there is someone to fight with; any local politician with an anti-Israel agenda becomes immediately popular, no matter how bad he is. In short, a sluggish constant war is beneficial to everyone, as the Americans say - a low-intensity conflict.
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    February 8 2024
    Yes, the title here is “prosperous state”. This is a deeply erroneous opinion, a myth painstakingly created by the Israeli authorities
  48. 0
    February 8 2024
    A little educational program for armchair experts.
    From the very beginning, Israel was created not even as a Nazi state, but as a national socialist state, similar to fascist Germany. Only the lazy will not notice the analogy.

    The ideology of national exclusivity, with the destruction of those who were declared “subhuman” (Arabs), the cult of leaders. There were even elements of socialism - the Israeli economy began with state farms-kibbutzim. Just like Nazi Germany, Israel came into existence thanks to Britain and the USA. And just like Germany, Israel repaid its British benefactors with black ingratitude. Historians are well aware of the cooperation between German Nazis and Zionists, up to the surrender of Jewish militants in Europe to the Nazis. Read, for example, the book “The Curtain Rises.”
    About terminology. Anti-Semitism, as I wrote, is a false term. For the group of Semites is very large - these are all Arabs, and Bedouin Berbers (not Arabs), and Ethiopians, and Assyrians living in the Middle East, in Armenia, and even in Moscow. There is an older, but more accurate term - Judeophobia - hatred of Jews.

    And the term “anti-Semitism” is rather used by ideologized semi-criminal groups to cover up business gambles (also a Hebrew word).
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      February 8 2024
      I really like characters like you, so I suggest we discuss
      Ideology of national exclusivity

      What does it mean? Are there any laws that support this?
      with the destruction of those who were declared “subhuman” (Arabs)

      how are they (the Arabs) destroyed? Why has the Arab population of Israel grown almost 10 times since its founding? How is the “subhumanity” of the arbs of Israel expressed? Are they somehow discriminated against based on their nationality?
      cult of leaders
      what kind of leaders is the cult? what does it consist of?
      There were even elements of socialism - the Israeli economy began with state farms-kibbutzim

      The Israeli economy is still quite socialist and socially oriented, but such economies are a dime a dozen, and the USSR also had a socialist economy, and the cult of leaders mentioned above, what does this mean?
      Just like Nazi Germany, Israel appeared thanks to Britain and the USA

      Nazi Germany appeared thanks to Britain and the USA? This is something new, can you be more specific?
      Israel appeared thanks to the USA? Britain yes, but what does the USA have to do with it?
      Read, for example, the book “The Curtain Rises.”

      citing bilitrists as evidence of something, is this some kind of new technique of rhetoric?
      Anti-Semitism, as I wrote,
      Here I completely agree with you, but what can you do if this is the self-name of the “anti-Semitism League” of Wilhelm Mar, the popularizer of this idea in Europe at the end of the 19th century, he promoted this idea along with the term, and the term became generally accepted, although Judeophobia is better
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        February 8 2024
        Heel
        Ideology of national exclusivity

        What does it mean? Are there any laws that support this?
        Well, the Basic Law: Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people (Hebrew: חוק יסוד: ישראל – מדינת הלאום של העם היהודי‎), adopted on July 19, 2018 (see Wikipedia). Well, of course, there are no laws there like the German racial law, and, formally, it is even a democratic state. But, in fact...

        with the destruction of those who were declared “subhuman” (Arabs)
        1.See the history of Israel's endless wars with the same Palestinians
        2.See the status of workers from the same Gaza in Israel, and the attitude of Israelis towards them
        3.After the start of another war, what did the Israeli Defense Minister call the Palestinians?

        Why has the Arab population of Israel grown almost 10 times since its founding?
        1. Do they have Israeli citizenship?
        2.What kind of Arabs are these? They have “correct Arabs” - and these are Christian Arabs, but not Muslims, and especially not Palestinians.

        Are they somehow discriminated against based on their nationality?
        Definitely. There is a lot of evidence of this.

        what kind of leaders is the cult?
        “Founding Fathers” of Israel (Herzl, Golda Meir, etc.). Now it is no longer so relevant, but in the early years of Israel it was.

        the USSR also had a socialist economy, and the above-mentioned cult of leaders
        In the USSR there was no ideology of the superiority of one nation over others, and nationalism was considered a serious crime. It was no coincidence that Hitler called his party NATIONAL SOCIALIST

        Nazi Germany appeared thanks to Britain and the USA? This is something new, can you be more specific?
        Read the story. Who financed Hitler and the NSDAP, and what role did American companies play in the German economy before 1945? It got to the point of absurdity - in 1943, the same model was launched at Ford factories in the USA and Germany. And our soldiers, having met German trucks at the front, so similar to our lorries, were surprised for some time. Our GAZ cars are descendants of American Ford AA. If you dig into the history of Nazism, then all the main ideas were invented in Great Britain, at the end of the XNUMXth century (see “Brave New World”, etc.).

        Israel appeared thanks to the USA?The flow of Zionist settlers into Palestine since the end of the 19th century was generously financed by American financiers with Jewish surnames. Again, see history, you can write more than one article here.

        cite bilitrists as evidence of something
        Firstly, “something” and “fiction” - even the VO editor offers the correct spelling options.
        And secondly, have you read this book yourself? And in general, the history of the Middle East of the 20th century, but not in the deceitful Israeli version? By the way, I read it in the Israeli version and was very surprised.
        By the way, among the Jewish authors there is a very good one - Israel Shamir. Read it - you will learn a lot
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          February 8 2024
          But, in fact...

          But what about the fact? not democratic? And it is still not clear what in the basic law of Israel says about the exclusivity of the Jews, that Israel is a country where Jews exercise their right to self-determination? There are plenty of such countries where the people exercise their right to...., in short, nothing unusual, much less exceptional
          1.See the history of Israel's endless wars with the same Palestinians
          2.See the status of workers from the same Gaza in Israel, and the attitude of Israelis towards them
          3.After the start of another war, what did the Israeli Defense Minister call the Palestinians?

          1. It would be nice to know who the Palestinians are? Are Jordanians Palestinians? Israel fought with Jordan, but clearly not with the goal of destroying the Palestinians there, and so on around the perimeter.
          2. Gaza is not part of Israel, and workers from Gaza are guest workers, but they are subject to all the social obligations of employers, like other workers
          3. I don’t remember what he called them, please remind me
          1. Do they have Israeli citizenship?
          2.What kind of Arabs are these? They have “correct Arabs” - and these are Christian Arabs, but not Muslims, and especially not Palestinians.

          Yes, they have Israeli citizenship, except for the 200K residents of East Jerusalem, who do not want to receive it for ideological reasons, but they have the status of permanent residents of Israel, and they are subject to all the rights of citizens, including being elected and elected to local councils, only to be elected to the Knesset and you can't choose.
          2. this is not true at all, out of 2 million Arab citizens of Israel only about 300K are Christians
          Herzl, Golda Meir and others

          Herzl is the founder of the idea of ​​Zionism (i.e. the creation of a Jewish state) and he is revered, but a cult? in short, if you add horns to your portrait and walk through the streets with it, you won’t get anything for it (and they do), Golda is simply one of the prime ministers of Israel, many, especially her political opponents, couldn’t stand her, and they showered her with the last words, so that there was and is no cult, the Israelis generally do not express any special reverence for their former and current rulers, and it is rare that a government lasts at least half of the allotted 4-year term
          In the USSR there was no ideology of the superiority of one nation over others
          it wasn’t on the show, but some peoples were repressed precisely according to nationality. attribute

          Read the story. Who financed Hitler and the NSDAP, and what role did American companies play in the German economy until 1945?
          Henry Ford really was a Judeophobe and an admirer of the Nazis, for which he had serious problems in his homeland, and even publicly apologized for it, but Ford is not all of the USA, but just one genius ok, well, a couple of others in addition to him
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            February 8 2024
            Heel
            not democratic?
            No more democratic than Ukraine. A rigid authoritarian state with an imitation of democracy. Read Israel Shamir - he is a Jew, he will show you how it really is

            And it's still not clear
            I don’t remember in which countries’ laws something like this would be written... only in German racial laws.

            Who are the Palestinians?
            It's simple - residents of the territories of a failed Arab state on the territory of British Palestine, according to the UN declaration. They have such a national self-identification. As for the Jordanian and other Qatari and Canadian Palestinians, these are people who remember where the land of their ancestors is. Why, exactly, did they have to leave their land? Would you like it if they came to your home and told you to get out of there, because someone else once lived in these areas a long time ago?

            Gaza workers are guest workers, but they are subject to the social obligations of employers
            And what type of work are they hired for? And are they paid the same as Israelis?

            I don’t remember what he called them, please remind me
            As it got to the point, forgetfulness appeared (((( “Animals that must be destroyed,” Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Galant called the Palestinians

            they have the status of permanent residents of Israel and are entitled to all the rights of citizens
            That's just the point, it's purely formal

            You can only be elected to the Knesset and you can’t choose
            Isn't restricting voting rights an infringement of rights? You yourself confirmed that they are second class citizens

            2 million Arab citizens of Israel, only about 300K are Christians
            The question is who should be considered Christians. Christians are also very different. And also Druze, Yezidis, etc. The religious picture of the Arabs has been varied since ancient times. I wouldn’t be surprised if I learn that there are Jewish Arabs – once there were such people. This does not invalidate the thesis that there are “right” and “wrong” Arabs in Israel.

            Israelis generally do not express much reverence for their former and current rulers
            This is now, but in the first years of Israel there was leadership

            In the USSR there was no ideology of the superiority of one nation over others

            was not on display, but some peoples were repressed precisely on the basis of their nationality
            Again, you show ignorance of history. Such repressions were completely justified, and were even the least evil. If during the war there was widespread betrayal among the Crimean Tatars, so it was necessary to shoot the whole people? Therefore, a more lenient punishment was chosen, in the form of deportation - uprooting and relocation to another area. Moreover, after the war, Western intelligence services continued to use the Nazi agent base among these peoples. Deportations also solved another problem - possible mass riots among these peoples. So they were justified, unlike the repression of the Palestinians.

            Henry Ford was a Judeophobe and a Nazi admirer, for which he had serious problems in his homelandWhat problems? Was his business taken away? So he also made money from military supplies. Ford is not just Henry Ford. And the list of American companies (General Motors, ITT, etc.) that successfully made money with the help of the Nazi regime is easy to find on the Internet. By the way, at the Nuremberg Tribunal, German Finance Minister Hjalmar Schacht was acquitted after he said that he could burn down all foreign sponsors
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              February 8 2024
              A rigid authoritarian state with an imitation of democracy
              Well, who is the authoritarian in it? governments change approximately every two years, from the extreme left with Arabs inside two years ago, to the extreme right today with Ben Gvir and Smotrich inside (very odious personalities on the verge of fascism), but in Israel there is a parliamentary republic, the president is generally a ceremonial position, and The prime minister is highly dependent on his own coalition and parliament, so who is the authoritarian?
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                February 8 2024
                "Democracy" does not cancel authoritarianism and a harsh police regime within the country
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                  February 8 2024
                  what kind of police regime? do what you want, protest wherever and whenever you want, don’t coordinate your protests with anyone, vote for whoever you want, send the police in three letters, and you can even spit at them, the main thing is don’t touch them with your hands, file lawsuits against the state and the police and win them, no, this is the strangest police state
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              February 8 2024
              And what type of work are they hired for? And are they paid the same as Israelis?
              accordingly, qualifications, mainly for construction and agricultural work, but they also run for construction as operators of high-rise tower cranes with a salary of $3000 net (this is of course less than that of an Israeli with citizenship, but more than the minimum wage of $1541 , but this is understandable, a migrant worker should always be cheaper, otherwise why is he needed
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              February 8 2024
              "Animals that must be destroyed"
              he didn't say that, he said that Hamas 7/10 behaved like animals, and Hamas must be destroyed
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                February 8 2024
                Heel
                In general, what is important is not what the official said, but what the IDF and the Israeli Luftwaffe do. And they simply massively destroy civilians instead of terrorists, and erase an entire agglomeration into dust. Despite the fact that the stated goals were achieved a little more than nothing
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            February 8 2024
            What you describe as citizenship, but without voting rights, in all countries is called "residence"and is not considered citizenship. So don’t need something that doesn’t exist
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              February 8 2024
              Only residents of East Jerusalem have a “residence permit”, and it is permanent, it does not need to be renewed, it cannot be taken away, and 2000000 Arabs have the same exact Israeli citizenship as all its other citizens, sit in parliament and from time to time enter to the government, well, you can’t just not know anything at all about the problem that, apparently, worries you, and read some dumb conspiracy theorists, after all, it’s in the public domain
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                February 8 2024
                In general, I don't really care. I don’t live in Israel, and I don’t even plan to visit there yet. I only care from the point of view that the collective West will pay more attention to Israel and not to Ukraine. And the details of the Israeli political system do not interest me at all.
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                  February 8 2024
                  it just seems so to you, the West does not pay too much attention to Israel, and attention to Ukraine has weakened slightly, the European Union has allocated 50 billion, soon the Amers will catch up, of course this is not their main agenda, but it won’t make it any easier for now
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                    February 8 2024
                    As far as I see, a lot of attention is now being paid not only to Israel, but also to the region in general, including the Houthis and Iran. That's the hope
  49. 0
    February 8 2024
    It is difficult for Israel to comment, at the moment, on the progress of the military operation against Hamas.... Israel “fell” into a well-thought-out British trap, where Britain will be the “winner”, and Israel will probably be “nullified” in every sense of this definition.. It seems that the Israeli leadership already understood this, but hoped for full support from the United States... However, the United States was also put by Britain, in this political and economic “multi-move”, into a position of “splits” (worse than Volochkova’s ) and be afraid to get out of it, for fear of getting hit in the “casual place”... So Israel has no time for comments...
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      February 8 2024
      Israel has "fallen" into a well-thought-out British trap, where Britain will be the "winner" and Israel will likely be "nullified" in every sense of the term

      What actually happened? What is the British trap? What will Britain get? Why is Israel's situation today worse than 6/10?
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      February 8 2024
      Such is the fate of proxies... Moreover, the Jewish people themselves are a proxy in the hands of their richest elite... For the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, ordinary, poor Jews weigh no more than the same Arabs
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        February 8 2024
        okay, the Rothschilds, but the Rockefellers have nothing to do with it, they are not Jews
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          February 8 2024
          You just made a discovery)) Are you a Rockefeller? laughing
          See, at least, the cyclopedia:
          https://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8B
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            February 8 2024
            yes, I already understood that you are a supporter of conspiracy theories, but even conspiracy theorists could not confirm the Jewish origin of the Rockefellers
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              February 8 2024
              The Jews themselves confirm the Jewish origin of the Rockefellers
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                February 8 2024
                No, that's not true at all. .
        2. +1
          February 8 2024
          Yes, by the way, look at the Lebanese Kataib party - these are just the “correct Arabs” (from the point of view of Israel and the West). You will learn a lot of new things
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          February 8 2024
          Heel
          Yes, I forgot... You asked about Britain as a sponsor of Nazi Germany... Have you heard about the Munich Agreement?
          1. 0
            February 8 2024
            Do you really think that I just don’t know the answer to the questions I asked? I just wanted you to publicly demonstrate your denseness
            1. +1
              February 8 2024
              I see that you have certain problems with literacy. This is the first thing. And secondly, apparently, you not only adhere to a biased point of view, but also deny what contradicts it. They definitely haven’t read Shamir))
              I wrote somewhere that I am not against Israel, and I don’t even have anything against the fact that it is a Jewish state. I have many friends in Israel itself. But I absolutely don't like his foreign policy. There are other ways to solve such problems, but, as far as I remember, all sober politicians in Israel, such as Yitzhak Rabin, came to a very bad end
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                February 8 2024
                I have problems with literacy due to the fact that I haven’t written much in Russian for more than 33 years, except for VO and a couple of other resources, probably not at all, and I just read Shamir, but a long time ago, he is often read as funny chatter , some people are annoyed by this, and some even accuse him of anti-simitism (self-hater), but he’s just a hypester, that’s how books sell better
  50. +1
    February 9 2024
    Quote: andrewkor
    We’ll see how the “comrades” from Israel comment on him!

    Splashing poison and drool.
    How else.

    IDF vacationers take an active part in hostilities against Russia.
    Zionist Israel is the enemy of Russia.
    The entire population of Israel wants Russia to defeat.
    Huge plots of land in Ukraine have already been purchased by Israeli agricultural holdings and private investors.

    But it’s not enough for them to kill Russians and seize Ukrainian lands.
    The Zionists are even counting on the lands of the Belgorod region.

    A huge number of officials who fled from Russia to Israel had Israeli citizenship before being accepted into the civil service.
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      February 11 2024
      Comrade Kim
      I slightly disagree with you, although I gave you a plus. Mister Heel answers quite soberly. I would not lump together the entire population of Israel. Although, I can say that my friends in Israel think exactly as you write, and we have to carry out educational work. But this is not all Israelis. And not even all Israelis support Israel's aggression against Gaza. Israel cannot be an enemy of Russia for two reasons. First, compare the size of Israel and the size of Russia. Secondly, Israel is a proxy, “trying to have an opinion.” Therefore, the enemy here is not Israel, but certain politicians, and not necessarily Israeli ones, who control its policies.
      What you write are hucksters who, by and large, have no nationality. Where their money is, there is their homeland.
      Here, rather, the question is for Israel - why, with such a powerful police state and intelligence services, all sorts of dubious persons, and even outright criminals, can easily hide in Israel? How many cases have there been when someone whom even Jews do not consider one of their own suddenly took refuge in Israel and received its citizenship? Maybe it's time to talk about the crime of this state?
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    February 16 2024
    A guerrilla war, supported in every possible way by appropriate sponsors, can hardly be won. It can only be temporarily turned into a smoldering conflict, and there are more than enough examples of this.

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