The power of Russia will grow in Donbass

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The power of Russia will grow in Donbass
Alchevsk Metallurgical Plant. Source: info.ygmk.ru


Western Klondike


The regions liberated during the special operation are among the most highly developed in the entire post-Soviet space. Historically, the Ukrainian SSR received only the best from the common table. Here, from the very beginning, there were unique conditions for the development of literally all spheres of human activity.



Natural and climatic factors and access to the sea made it possible to engage in agriculture and make good money from tourists. The high intellectual potential of the population and traditionally decent education in Soviet times created a powerful industrial complex. With abundant material support from the Union center, of course.

In the defense sector, the Ukrainian SSR has always been among the leaders. Suffice it to recall the design bureau "Luch", "Motor Sich" and the world-famous Kharkov school of tank building. In the automotive sector, Soviet-era Ukraine was generally completely self-sufficient - it produced both passenger cars (ZAZ) and heavy trucks (KrAZ) with buses (LAZ). It was even possible to build our own engines for small cars in Melitopol, which not all republics of the Union could afford.

Kyiv aircraft manufacturers from the Antonov company knew how to surprise not only their country, but the whole world. Let’s remember how many records there are for super-heavy vehicles with the proud name “An”.

Why all these praises?

Moreover, over the years of “sovereign” Ukraine, local managers miraculously managed to ruin everything. From a scientific point of view, this is called deindustrialization, but in simple terms, it is a betrayal of one’s own people.

An indirect but very characteristic evidence of the rapid decline that Ukraine faces is the forced export of electricity. It is forced, since the cascade of Dnieper hydroelectric power stations generates so much energy that the impoverished industrial complex is simply not able to absorb it. Electricity exports stopped only during Russian attacks on infrastructure, but then resumed again. In Soviet times, the balance of generation and consumption was more or less maintained, but with the era of “independence” everything evaporated.


Alchevsk Metallurgical Plant. Source: info.ygmk.ru

Donbass stood out especially against this background, which even in post-Soviet times produced a fifth of industrial production, while only 10 percent of the population lived in the territory. A sign of the highest labor productivity, which was unattainable in other regions of the country.

Therefore, when they talk about the integration of new regions of Russia, it is necessary to remember that our fighters brought home some of the leading industrial centers, if not all of Eastern Europe, then certainly the post-Soviet space. The specifics of Russia's conduct of hostilities make it possible to preserve production capacity for further operation. With few exceptions (Azovstal and the Ilyich plant), enterprises in the liberated territories are actively working for the benefit of Russia.

Despite all of the above, there is still an opinion in the country about new regions as consumers who only know how to ask for help. From the state in the form of direct subsidies and from society in the form of donations and humanitarian aid. It takes a lot of time and effort to destroy this myth.

Donbass industrial and SVO


The industry of Donbass and the southern territories, which form a land corridor to Crimea, is already actively supplying products to the east.

Let's look at the example of the Southern Mining and Metallurgical Complex, which includes 7 branches: Alchevsk Metallurgical Plant (LPR), Enakievo Metallurgical Plant (DPR), Makeevka Metallurgical Plant (DPR), Makeevkoks (DPR), Yasinovsky coke plant" (DPR), "Komsomolsk Mining Administration" (DPR) and "Stakhanov Ferroalloy Plant" (LPR).

In total, the company employs more than 21 thousand highly qualified specialists, and they really work. For obvious reasons, it is very difficult to export products, so everything goes to the east. The product range includes cast iron billets and steel structural elements, complex chemistry from coal and scarce ferroalloys. Heavy industry at its most typical.

The Southern Mining and Metallurgical Complex began actively supplying products to the east of the country in mid-2022, when Russian business invested more than 40 billion rubles in modernizing production.

The Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works, part of the complex, supplies sheet metal to Uralvagonzavod - in 2022 they sold products worth 2 billion rubles. As stated on the official website, “the products of the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works are used in a variety of industrial sectors for the manufacture of metal structures, where the necessary requirements for rolled sheets are high quality, strength and rolling accuracy.”

At the end of 2023, the company launched a thick-sheet shop. The company not only resumed production, but also expanded its range and modernized its lines. It seems, even without unnecessary decoding, it is clear for what purposes Uralvagonzavod uses rolled products from Alchevsk. “Everything for the front! Everything for Victory! – in the new territories of Russia, the legendary call takes on special significance.


Dneprorudnensky iron ore plant

The Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are still forced to do without their former administrative centers, where most of the industrial potential was previously concentrated. Of course, this applies to a greater extent to Zaporozhye - the Kherson region is predominantly focused on agriculture. The famous watermelons are worth it.

There are doubts that the damaged land reclamation due to the destruction of the Kherson hydroelectric station by the nationalists will be able to be restored to its previous volume, but there are some chances. The economic sector of the Zaporozhye region is less dependent on natural conditions, and things are going well here.

The Dneprorudnensky Iron Ore Plant is now actively recruiting staff and increasing production. In 2023, the plan was to produce from 3 to 5 million tons of raw materials - it will soon become known how successful the installation was. Ore from Zaporozhye goes to Donbass, where, after the next redistribution in the form of metal structures and blanks, it is sent to enterprises in Central Russia and the Urals.

The Kiev regime is well aware of the work of former Ukrainian enterprises for the Russian military-industrial complex. If they reach out with long-range guns, they try to disrupt production processes. Thus, the Dneprorudnensky iron ore plant was shelled more than a hundred times. They mainly targeted the enterprise's infrastructure. In an interview with TASS, the director of the plant’s company, Gleb Terskikh, complained to reporters in May last year:

“They primarily fire at energy supply facilities. Our enterprise has a water influx of up to 2,5 thousand cubic meters. m per hour. Stopping to pump water for up to four hours, the plant is stopped in emergency mode, and evacuation begins. There have been more than 100 such accidents over the past six months.”

The general activation of industry in the new regions of Russia cannot but irritate Kyiv. Especially when it comes to direct inclusion in the country's defense industry.

The understanding that the territories are lost forever may provoke nationalists to another round of sabotage work. Whatever they cannot reach with artillery and missiles, they will try to destroy with terrorist attacks. Such a prospect, on the one hand, forces all officials to tense up and avoid sabotage, and on the other hand, it signals the correctness of the chosen path.
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  1. +22
    4 February 2024 04: 04
    What about "Siberia"? Will it no longer “grow”? winked
    1. +11
      4 February 2024 04: 28
      "Grow"....T9... feel
    2. +17
      4 February 2024 04: 31
      Siberia is in place. Tajik on Tajik, and drives Tajik.
      1. -8
        4 February 2024 05: 51
        It’s a lie, I simply don’t have any Tajiks.
        1. +21
          4 February 2024 05: 53
          I don’t know where you are, but in Tyumen they are like uncut dogs. And watch your language.
          1. +11
            4 February 2024 06: 01
            Krasnoyarsk Territory, North Yenisei district, village. Thea. Maybe you have them like dogs, but we simply don’t have them. Maybe because it’s a village and not a big city? Quite possibly.
            1. +17
              4 February 2024 06: 04
              Clear. What should they do in the villages? They want to go to richer centers. For example, not everything here is already 3 tr. on the DAY they agree.
              1. -8
                4 February 2024 06: 09
                We mine gold, much richer... And let me introduce myself - a drilling master for mineral exploration. 3 thousand a day? Don’t tell me, my salary was 160, now they promise to increase it.
                1. +21
                  4 February 2024 06: 30
                  Who will let the woman mine gold? Their destiny is construction and communal services. I'm an ordinary builder. I know what I am writing, you are our incredulous one. hi
                  1. +7
                    4 February 2024 07: 54
                    You are right, they are not allowed there at all. And you know, I constantly go to Krasnoyarsk, there aren’t very many of them either... Of course there are, but not in a way that would warrant shouting guard. Maybe you react somewhat nervously to their presence?
                    1. +12
                      4 February 2024 08: 10
                      Masons, plasterers, painters - just all of them. I have already written about this. The foreman is a Russian-understanding and a bunch of helpers. It's on a low-rise building. On high monoliths - yes, Russians. Everything outside the city is mine, don’t understand.
                      1. -11
                        4 February 2024 08: 34
                        Well, what do you say, it’s interesting, would you go sweep the streets yourself? I think no. And why? After all, we hold any work in high esteem. Although what am I talking about... it was in the USSR. Now it is not held in high esteem. But I have no clue, just trust me. Absent as a species.
                      2. +18
                        4 February 2024 09: 05
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Well, what do you say, it’s interesting, and you yourself let's go sweep the streets? I think no.

                        And you would go! It's a question of price.

                        But our tight-knit capitalists don’t want to raise the price for a janitor’s work. It’s easier for them to get migrants! Would you like to know how much a janitor’s work costs in Israel? For their wages, our queue would grow to the moon!
                      3. -19
                        4 February 2024 09: 07
                        So are you a patriot of your country or is it a matter of price? Sorry.
                      4. +24
                        4 February 2024 09: 11
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        So you are a patriot your country or a question of price?

                        How does the salary of a janitor correlate with patriotism? In your opinion, not paying a janitor (and hiring migrants) is patriotic or something? I don't understand you!
                      5. -18
                        4 February 2024 09: 21
                        I basically don’t know, I’ve never worked as a janitor, but I think there are some nuances there. But actually, that’s not what I’m talking about... my parents took me to the far north when I was 4 months old. And then listen carefully - they went to a Komsomol construction site. Will anyone go somewhere now? And don’t lie to me - no one will go anywhere. What about the wipers? What about the wipers, I clean my own yard. You are the relaxed ones who for some reason decided that someone else should clean up after you. God be with you.
                      6. +18
                        4 February 2024 10: 15
                        You are a comedian, in a village with fifteen hundred inhabitants, what kind of yard do you have?
                        Here is Moscow. House of 250 apartments. It is necessary to remove garbage from four entrances, sweep or remove snow. Clean the hallways at least once a week. The salary is good, but two-thirds must be given to officials.
                        On the one hand, the Russians themselves are coming, but on the other hand, if they hire Russians, they will begin to demand the entire salary.
                        By the way, about construction sites and janitors. In Moscow, it is profitable to work as a taxi driver or food delivery person. Of course you have to work hard, but you don’t have to share everything that’s yours with officials.
                        This is the kind of migrant population in Russia. They are brought in to work on construction sites, but they run away. where they pay.
                      7. -7
                        4 February 2024 10: 19
                        You tell me - well, here’s Moscow, but I’m just a stone’s throw from Moscow and Beijing.
                      8. +14
                        4 February 2024 10: 43
                        You are four hundred kilometers closer to Beijing. I just wanted to say that if you don’t have migrants in the taiga, this doesn’t mean it’s the same throughout Russia
                      9. -19
                        4 February 2024 11: 05
                        Probably doesn't mean that. But you know what I want to say? If it weren’t for the Siberian divisions, then you wouldn’t exist, and they wouldn’t tell me about what would have happened... and about the migrants.
                      10. +10
                        4 February 2024 13: 10
                        The outskirts of the capital have long turned into Moscow. Yes, and we have a lot of them.
                      11. -6
                        4 February 2024 16: 10
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Would you like to know how much a janitor’s work costs in Israel? For their wages, our queue would grow to the moon!

                        And a communal apartment at the same time increased It would be with you, if the janitors were paid like in Israel....

                        And yes, in the people’s USSR the salary of a janitor was so large that they had to lure migrant workers there with dacha apartments....
                        Oh, sorry, there were no capitalist migrant workers in the USSR - there was a socialist “limit”...
                      12. +11
                        4 February 2024 09: 33
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Well, what do you say, it’s interesting, would you go sweep the streets yourself? I think no.

                        Our wipers are entirely Russian.
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        And why not?

                        Somehow Tajiks are not eager to sweep for 12 thousand a month.
                      13. -15
                        4 February 2024 09: 47
                        And where is this deposit? Okay, I have my own yard, my own territory. I can take a photo and post it. But in high-rise buildings this won’t work, someone has to clean up after them and it infuriates me... Can’t they do it themselves?
                      14. +10
                        4 February 2024 09: 55
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        And where is this deposit?

                        Tula region. It’s only 200-odd km from Moscow.
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        But in high-rise buildings this won’t work, someone has to clean up after them and it infuriates me... Can’t they do it themselves?

                        How do you imagine that? Vasya waves a shovel to the store, Petya to the trash can, and Baba Klava to the pharmacy?
                      15. -16
                        4 February 2024 10: 05
                        Well, I welcome this matter. Tula is good, bad without Tula... And I have 4500-odd to Moscow. How do I imagine this? Yes, simply, I took a shovel and went to clear the snow, because I do this every day, well, almost every day... And there’s nothing terrible about it, my back won’t break. So I can imagine - Vasya to the store, Petya to the trash. This is fine.
                      16. +15
                        4 February 2024 10: 18
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        So I can imagine - Vasya to the store, Petya to the trash. This is fine.

                        In my entrance, for example, one neighbor walks with a cane, another is about 80 years old, the third appears at home once a month. Should I throw snow for them all?
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        I do this every day, well, almost every day... And there’s nothing terrible about it, my back won’t break.

                        Will you live to see the same 80s, will you still throw snow, or wade through snowdrifts?
                      17. -6
                        4 February 2024 10: 23
                        Yes. Of course, throw it. What did you want? I'm throwing. I definitely won’t live to see 80, I have the wrong breed, my mother is 67, my father is 70.
                      18. +11
                        4 February 2024 11: 24
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Yes. Of course, throw it. What did you want? I'm throwing.

                        My grandfather also threw. About 80 years ago. Then I couldn’t, and my grandmother went blind. We moved to the city to live with the children.
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        one neighbor walks with a cane, another is about 80 years old, the third appears at home once a month. Should I throw snow for them all?

                        What to do with these? Take money from them? Well, that’s what utilities with wipers are for. Another question is how the money is distributed there, Vasya and Petya for pasta, and the bosses for Lexus.
                      19. -7
                        4 February 2024 12: 49
                        You are a good grandfather, everyone should be like that. :) What to do with these? There's nothing to do. Everything is as usual - somehow it will grow together.
                      20. +13
                        4 February 2024 13: 00
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        There's nothing to do. Everything is as usual - somehow it will grow together.

                        And as usual, no one will clean up for Baba Klava.
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        I definitely won’t move to the city, it’s not my thing.

                        Your problem is that you have little understanding of other points of view that differ from yours.
                      21. -6
                        4 February 2024 13: 12
                        Well, why wouldn’t it be, for example, I’m cleaning for Anastasia Semyonovna, a neighbor, and I don’t see anything wrong with that. My problem is that I read, but others do not, different from my point of view. Perhaps this is really my problem - I don’t understand you city dwellers, you’re making such a fuss out of nowhere...
                      22. +8
                        4 February 2024 13: 25
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Well, why wouldn’t it be, for example, I’m cleaning for Anastasia Semyonovna, a neighbor, and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

                        And will you also clean your house once a month for your neighbor? Or for someone who works 24 hours a day and sleeps off at home? I doubt. And they also don’t want to climb through snowdrifts.
                      23. -1
                        4 February 2024 13: 33
                        Of course not. I myself work two weeks after one, but I come and clean, the shovel is my friend and this is the absolute truth. Do you know how all this overgrows while I’m gone? And the neighbor... He is neither my friend nor my enemy, but just... A neighbor is an empirical meaning, all my neighbors are normal people and they help me if anything happens.
                      24. +9
                        4 February 2024 13: 43
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Do you know how all this overgrows while I’m gone?

                        Yes, I know and understand. Only in the city the realities are different, from one house tens or hundreds of people walk along the paths in all four directions and not everyone has the opportunity to take a shovel, not when I want or can, but every day, so that the same woman Klava can hobble to the pharmacy, and the kids before school.
                      25. -8
                        4 February 2024 14: 11
                        Other realities? Well, live with these realities. We have approximately, but I can say 20 percent for sure, but 20 percent definitely went to the Northern Military District. It’s so simple for your townspeople, if they don’t sweep, it means they are enemies. You will generally defend your country
                      26. +10
                        4 February 2024 14: 16
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        We have approximately, but I can say 20 for sure, but 20 percent definitely went to the SVO

                        What does SVO and street cleaning have to do with it?
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        It’s so simple for your townspeople, if they don’t sweep, it means they are enemies. You will generally defend your country

                        I didn’t understand anything at all. Goodbye.
                      27. -6
                        4 February 2024 14: 21
                        You answered excellently - what does SVO have to do with it? Nothing to do with it, sorry, just answered.
                      28. -5
                        4 February 2024 14: 40
                        Not understood? It happens, it means it’s not given to you. Of course, goodbye, I think we’ll meet more than once. Truth is born in dispute.
                      29. +6
                        4 February 2024 14: 28
                        Sergey, scaling processes is a difficult task. Inside the village, reaching an agreement with a neighbor or organizing shift work for hundreds of residents of an apartment building are completely different tasks (although the goals are similar). To organize such logistics and control, it is easier (and cheaper) to find a janitor.
                      30. -5
                        4 February 2024 14: 41
                        I don’t think so, there’s nothing complicated about it.
                      31. -6
                        4 February 2024 12: 55
                        And further. I definitely won’t move to the city, it’s not my thing. And I don’t understand you townspeople.
                      32. +1
                        4 February 2024 22: 19
                        And further. I definitely won’t move to the city, it’s not my thing. And I don’t understand you townspeople.

                        Where did you get the shovel? Was it cut from larch? Was the drill for the drilling rig forged at the village forge? Where do you sell the gold? To a neighbor?
                        I'm being friendly. drinks
                        Without a city you have no place. Turn into Africa. Only cold. wink
                      33. 0
                        5 February 2024 03: 29
                        So the city is the most important thing in our lives? Do I understand you correctly? And without the city I’m nowhere? Hmm...a strange way to pose the question. Well, okay... But for example, I think that all evil is in the cities. The people there are angry, in our village no one closes the door when leaving for work. Tell me, do you close the doors? And if you close it, then why? Apparently you are afraid of thieves? So? And I don't have thieves. Absolutely not. Okay, let's take Moscow for example... Where are the most traitors to the motherland? Where did all the Navalnys, etc. gather? The larger the city, the closer to the center, the more crap. And this is an immutable truth. Is not it? Regarding shovels, we have so-called TMM - technical and mechanical workshops. so that's okay. But regarding the drill bit (correctly bit), you caught me, it’s not possible to make a diamond one in our conditions, but a carbide one... I haven’t tried it, but why not try. By the way, I’m also friendly. I don't like swearing.
                      34. 0
                        5 February 2024 08: 13
                        So the city is the most important thing in our lives? Do I understand you correctly? And without the city I’m nowhere? Hmm...a strange way to pose the question. Well, okay... But for example, I think that all evil is in the cities. The people there are angry, in our village no one closes the door when leaving for work. Tell me, do you close the doors? And if you close it, then why? Apparently you are afraid of thieves? So? And I don't have thieves. Absolutely not. Okay, let's take Moscow for example... Where are the most traitors to the motherland? Where did all the Navalnys, etc. gather? The larger the city, the closer to the center, the more crap. And this is an immutable truth. Is not it? Regarding shovels, we have so-called TMM - technical and mechanical workshops. so that's okay. But regarding the drill bit (correctly bit), you caught me, it’s not possible to make a diamond one in our conditions, but a carbide one... I haven’t tried it, but why not try. By the way, I’m also friendly. I don't like swearing.

                        Civilization began with cities. A lot of people in one place allows you to create a division of labor and further specialization.

                        Regarding city people, I disagree. Realists live in the city, especially the capital. Once you take a ride around Rublyovka, you immediately watch TV on a different one. It is you who have preserved Shukshin’s purity and naivety there.wink

                        Do you think Navalny immediately ran to the CIA to surrender? At first he traveled for a long time to study at RUDN University through Zhavoronki near Moscow. Past the Chubais Palace. He couldn’t come up with anything better than to build it in the middle of an ordinary village. The only cooler places are Galkin and Pugacheva with a medieval castle in a village called Gryaz. laughing

                        It is not surprising that Kvachkov’s colleagues lay down on the same road. If in the middle of your Thea the local gold magnate-United Russia had destroyed a palace, I think you would also take up the shot. angry
                      35. 0
                        5 February 2024 09: 40
                        And what has this civilization that began with cities achieved? Division of labor you say, that is, division into Galkins, Pugachevs and everyone else? I don’t need such separation, forgive me, I’m better here, in the cold, but on my own. I understand that you disagree about the townspeople, because that’s what you are. And yes, a funny thought flashed through my mind, let’s drop you and me (or any city dweller) in the taiga, tundra, desert or whatever... who will survive? So you’re talking about a fraction, but do you have one? I have it. 12, 16, whatever you want. There is even SCS. Forgive me, but the city makes hands weak and brains cruel.
                      36. 0
                        5 February 2024 10: 15
                        And what has this civilization that began with cities achieved? Division of labor you say, that is, division into Galkins, Pugachevs and everyone else? I don’t need such separation, forgive me, I’m better here, in the cold, but on my own. I understand that you disagree about the townspeople, because that’s what you are. And yes, a funny thought flashed through my mind, let’s drop you and me (or any city dweller) in the taiga, tundra, desert or whatever... who will survive? So you’re talking about a fraction, but do you have one? I have it. 12, 16, whatever you want. There is even SCS. Forgive me, but the city makes hands weak and brains cruel.

                        Division of labor and the possibility of creating a SCS. In the village you will get tired of grinding it out, I’m generally silent about gunpowder, again, the designer must first create it on paper. That is, we need a University. Etc. Then, yes, social division. The world works that way.

                        Regarding survival in the taiga, I will tell you this philosophy.
                        Man began his survival on this planet from the taiga and desert. As society developed, society became more complex and methods of survival became more complex. First, you had to be able to get meat for food and skin for your shoulders, now you need to be able to get money to buy this meat at the market and clothes in a boutique. Therefore, in modern society the skills to survive not in the taiga, but in the city are needed. wink

                        I myself spent half my life trying to settle in Moscow. But I can come down to your village in a month, I can just sell one apartment, and take a house from you there, a boat with a motor, an UAZ, a snowmobile, a Benelli vertical, what else.... There will still be left to drink for the rest of my life. . fellow

                        I’m not saying this in terms of any superiority, but in terms of the ridiculousness of all these survivalists. They are not going to survive in that environment; they need not a fire with one match, but a doctoral dissertation in economics. Sincerely.drinks
                      37. -1
                        5 February 2024 11: 11
                        Yes, of course, I can’t make an SKS, the problem is in the barrel, but I can do everything else, but even as a child I made a self-propelled gun - you select a tube suitable for the 5.6 caliber and you have a weapon in your hands that can kill... Of course, the question arises with cartridges, but we have them like uncut dogs. And also, we also have a lot of explosives, what kind do you want? Ammonite? Ammonal? Everything is according to your wishes. :) I'm joking of course, but there is access. And you’re wrong about gunpowder, smoky gunpowder is easier than light gunpowder, smokeless gunpowder is more difficult, although it can be solved. Here you are telling me about living in the taiga... Do you know that it is not easy? Come to me and we will take a tour. And believe me, you will find it interesting. You know... you’re sitting in a cave, a fire is burning in front of you and your dog is opposite... Damn, my soul was already tingling, I just imagined all this... And this, I’m not a survivalist, I read books about survivalists - I didn’t like it, I just live in the north. Well, who if not me? May be you?
                      38. 0
                        5 February 2024 11: 21
                        Yes, of course, I can’t make an SKS, the problem is in the barrel, but I can do everything else, but even as a child I made a self-propelled gun - you select a tube suitable for the 5.6 caliber and you have a weapon in your hands that can kill... Of course, the question arises with cartridges, but we have them like uncut dogs. And also, we also have a lot of explosives, what kind do you want? Ammonite? Ammonal? Everything is according to your wishes. :) I'm joking of course, but there is access. And you’re wrong about gunpowder, smoky gunpowder is easier than light gunpowder, smokeless gunpowder is more difficult, although it can be solved. Here you are telling me about living in the taiga... Do you know that it is not easy? Come to me and we will take a tour. And believe me, you will find it interesting. You know... you’re sitting in a cave, a fire is burning in front of you and your dog is opposite... Damn, my soul was already tingling, I just imagined all this... And this, I’m not a survivalist, I read books about survivalists - I didn’t like it, I just live in the north. Well, who if not me? May be you? By the way, how did you guess that I have a UAZ? Although I talked about this - sorry. Do you mean doctorate? Well, oh well, if you need a doctorate, so be it. Be a doctor. No offense, I'm just joking. :)
                      39. +10
                        4 February 2024 09: 59
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        I wonder if you would go and sweep the streets yourself? I think no. And why? After all, we hold any work in high esteem.

                        There were times when people were interested in a new apartment for this work, where they spent ten years putting things in order...
                        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                        Now it is not held in high esteem.

                        They would return something similar, there was no end to those interested, from without Central Asian applicants...
                      40. -11
                        4 February 2024 10: 14
                        I don’t think that interest will have any consequences, it’s just not prestigious.
                      41. -5
                        4 February 2024 16: 17
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        If they would return something similar, there would be no shortage of applicants, without Central Asian applicants.

                        Bugaga......
                        With apartment prices in 20 млн on average in Maskva who will give an apartment just like that for a janitor - if he will have to pay the maximum salary for 10 years 5 млн..
                        Even in the USSR, the “limit” received a hut after 10 years.
                        And the opposite situation - you have to be completely screwed to believe that in 10-15 years someone will give up the apartment for nothing.
                        In the USSR it was slavery for the “limit”, and even more so now.....
                      42. +3
                        4 February 2024 16: 40
                        Quote: your1970
                        With an average cost of apartments of 20 million in Maskva

                        In Moscow, salaries are reasonable, you can work... But in all other cities it would have worked out quite well.
                        Quote: your1970
                        the opposite situation - you have to be completely broken in the head to believe...

                        But this is a completely different song. Trust and law are our strong point......

                        Quote: your1970
                        In the USSR it was slavery for "limits"

                        And now? laughing Apparently for everyone who doesn’t fit into the market.
                      43. -2
                        4 February 2024 19: 34
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        Quote: your1970
                        With an average cost of apartments of 20 million in Maskva

                        In Moscow, salaries are reasonable, you can work... But in all other cities it would have worked out quite well.

                        It wouldn’t work anywhere - again according to the same formula - no one will give up the apartment if cheaper to pay wages...
                      44. +10
                        4 February 2024 10: 06
                        By the way, they go and sweep. Not migrants, but locals. Krasnodar region.
                      45. 0
                        6 February 2024 09: 21
                        What can I say... I welcome it, it's wonderful.
                2. 0
                  5 February 2024 23: 13
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  Don’t tell me, my salary was 160, now they promise to increase it

                  We found something to brag about. An adult man has a salary of less than 2k dollars and he is proud of it. This is really funny
              2. +6
                4 February 2024 09: 41
                In other places, they are already reluctant to go for 5 thousand a day. laughing
            2. 0
              5 February 2024 17: 08
              Maybe because it’s a village and not a big city?


              Krasnoyarsk Territory, Nazarovo, for Uzbeks to obtain citizenship (before the New Year), the queue at the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation is scheduled for months in advance, and they leave a telephone number for communication and then only appear to receive documents. What’s interesting is that they are all from one region of Uzbekistan, it seems that they cut the whole country into regions tied to their regions. It is clear that all this is moving by some kind of roof, and the roof is not local but regional (Krasnoyarsk), but also from Moscow. Therefore, at the local level, stopping this did not lead to anything. Believe me, the locals tried to do this, serious forces were involved, even Afghans took part. Well, apparently it’s not Senka’s hat. And what’s interesting is that after receiving the documents, they all dissolved on the territory of Russia, naturally with our pensions and all the goodies for children and other preferences for citizens of the Russian Federation. True, after the New Year, I am not aware of the new laws of the Russian Federation locally.
          2. +6
            4 February 2024 08: 00
            And in Tobolsk, especially when large-scale construction begins at the petrochemical plant, there are simply clouds. hi
          3. 0
            4 February 2024 10: 16
            -Electricity exports were stopped only during Russian attacks on infrastructure facilities,
            They export ONLY that which is generated by nuclear power plants.
            -but in Tyumen they are like uncut dogs.
            Maybe circumcised?
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        2. +1
          4 February 2024 15: 03
          Lies
          Gentlemen, moderators, please rate dozens of posts by this person with dignity. Not a word on the topic. But the topic requires clarification.
          1. -4
            4 February 2024 16: 57
            What, an informer or something? Well knock...
      2. 0
        4 February 2024 10: 23
        Nonsense. And not every Pozigun can distinguish a Tajik from a Tatar and others...
      3. +1
        4 February 2024 23: 20
        Tajikistan, therefore, will grow
    3. +7
      4 February 2024 04: 36
      Did I miss something? Is Siberia no longer ours?
      1. -6
        4 February 2024 04: 51
        According to TsIPSO, this is exactly how they are trying to promote this, with massive propaganda.
      2. -18
        4 February 2024 06: 03
        Yours - yours, calm down. :))))
        1. +3
          4 February 2024 07: 04
          Thank you “kind man”, restored my sleep.
      3. +7
        4 February 2024 07: 06
        Quote: Coward
        Did I miss something? Is Siberia no longer ours?

        Ours, of course, ours, but everything there has long been divided...
        1. -11
          4 February 2024 07: 07
          As usual, there will be no details?!!
        2. +14
          4 February 2024 08: 09
          Ours, of course, ours, but everything there has long been divided...

          So I’m following the correspondence thread and the question arises... ours - in what sense? The fact is that Siberia is Russia..then yes, ours..and if you look from the point of view of the true owners..then it, and indeed all of Russia, is theirs.. After all, if the natural resources of Russia were ours, would we really have These are the prices for everything? Gasoline...building materials, food?
          1. -11
            4 February 2024 11: 31
            After all, if Russia’s natural resources were ours, would we have such prices for everything?

            I read these slogans and hear something very familiar. And not even a hundred years ago, “Down with the rich. Oppressors of the working class. Take away and divide. Factories for the workers, land for the peasants,” and much closer, “Down with the CPSU. We want jeans and chewing gum. We will receive vouchers and we will receive dividends for our wealth.” And as a result, we have the collapse of the country, following the lead of the true servants of the West, dressing up in the clothes of a patriot and pushing “beautiful” slogans.
      4. +1
        4 February 2024 09: 42
        Quote: Coward
        Did I miss something? Is Siberia no longer ours?

        There was, is, and will be our Siberia. This is you reading a dialogue between Russian Nazis or racists who mistakenly consider themselves patriots. Everyone who WORKS in Russia works for its prosperity. And the economic potential of Donbass is enormous. But there should be no illusions about the good Russian bourgeoisie involved in charity. hi
    4. -9
      4 February 2024 05: 50
      But there’s nothing wrong with Siberia. How we lived is how we live. What would you like?
    5. 0
      5 February 2024 10: 33
      monster, the power of China will grow with Siberia, it has been growing for a long time
  2. +12
    4 February 2024 04: 43
    what was interesting for the oligarchy and criminal structures survived like the Alchevsk plant or the Donetsk plant, and the rest perished, primarily mechanical engineering. and there was no need for special intelligence for this in conditions when the market of Russia and other former republics was closed for local enterprises and there was no chance to enter the West.
    Until the end of the 90s, most of the enterprises stood idle, waiting for weather by the sea; by that time, the teams had slowly disbanded and fled to markets and abroad. then “privatization” at the beginning of the 2000s and the total destruction of machine-building enterprises, the pitiful remnants of which are still being stolen to this day.
  3. +7
    4 February 2024 04: 49
    if you pour in billions on a targeted basis for some kind of military program, then it is possible and there will be some result in a reasonable time, but if in market conditions practically from scratch with such bureaucracy and taxes when you haven’t started yet but already owe everyone, everything is very doubtful.
  4. +22
    4 February 2024 04: 55
    Apparently it’s worth reminding Mr. Fedorov that in our country the same managers destroyed and stole the lion’s share of our industry. As for Donbass enterprises, they will bring profit to a certain circle of people, and you and I will buy these products for fabulous money in the form of monthly payments for the use of “national resources”!
    No matter how many enterprises and resources there are in Russia, nothing will cost our citizens cheaper; gasoline, gas and much more are proof of this.
    1. -23
      4 February 2024 05: 34
      Quote: rusmax888
      and you and I will buy these products for fabulous money in the form of monthly payments for the use of “national resources”!

      Following your “logic,” it is necessary to distribute the entire territory of the country to neighbors, just so that resources are not plundered, oligarchs do not receive excess profits, and consumers do not suffer from rising prices?
      1. +25
        4 February 2024 05: 41
        when the excess profits run out, they will do so. Thank you all, everyone is free and we are going to London.
      2. +7
        4 February 2024 08: 55
        Following your “logic,” it is necessary to distribute the entire territory of the country to neighbors, just so that resources are not plundered, oligarchs do not receive excess profits, and consumers do not suffer from rising prices?

        As for the distribution of the country's territory, these are questions for Medvedev, not for the inhabitants of VO. How much gas and oil was there in the territory that he gave to Norway?
        1. +11
          4 February 2024 10: 28
          And even a little earlier. Question for Yeltsin, because the USSR is the real Russia. But Boris wanted to reign urgently.
    2. +6
      4 February 2024 08: 44
      Apparently it’s worth reminding Mr. Fedorov that in our country the same managers destroyed and stole the lion’s share of our industry. As for Donbass enterprises, they will bring profit to a certain circle of people, and you and I will buy these products for fabulous money in the form of monthly payments for the use of “national resources”!
      No matter how many enterprises and resources there are in Russia, nothing will cost our citizens cheaper; gasoline, gas and much more are proof of this.

      Alas, this is true. During the SVO, the fortunes of our rich people on the Forbes list have increased, and quite significantly. Maybe they will still grow. We can only rejoice for the oligarchs from afar. For us - people being grabbed on the subway because of their backpacks and arrested because of their earrings.
  5. +11
    4 February 2024 05: 32
    Labor productivity throughout Ukraine was approximately the same; it’s just that in the Donbass there remained a higher level of concentration of raw materials industries, which is why there was such an excess in relative budget revenues.
    just for your information, for example, most of the newer machines and those imported from Lugansk factories, except for those that went into scrap metal, were sold to Ukraine over the years, where they took quite a step forward in the development of local mechanical engineering while the Donbass found itself in the ass. what was it - targeted actions by xo khlov to deindustrialize and weaken the donbass or the result of the complete worthlessness of the local “leadership”
  6. -6
    4 February 2024 06: 06
    And only he: under the yoke of the Ukronazis they groan: all of Left Bank, Kherson Nikolaev, Odessa.
  7. +10
    4 February 2024 06: 08
    Historically, the Ukrainian SSR received only the best from the common table

    It’s a sin for Ukraine to complain, of course, but the best things in the Union from the common pot were received by the Baltic states.
    1. +10
      4 February 2024 06: 36
      Where did it come from in the “common pot”? Everyone...... thinks it's from him.

      Heh... heh... The USA has been a Union for two hundred years, and Europe has become a Union, looking at the USSR..... .
      But not everyone is smart enough to live normally in the Union. The Union is not written for fools...
      1. 0
        5 February 2024 14: 36
        Well, if it’s written, it’s not read hi
  8. +12
    4 February 2024 06: 21
    No one can lead us astray. We don't care where to go.

    And how to increase or decrease too. For a century and a half, we have tried everything imaginable.
  9. +11
    4 February 2024 06: 42
    During the years of “sovereign” Ukraine, local managers miraculously managed to ruin everything.
    If they ruined everything at home, and Russia became the fifth economy in the world, the first in Europe, then according to the logic of capitalist relations, Russia should have bought Ukraine wholeheartedly, not .. not even the elite, but its industrial complex, ports, enterprises and etc., but the SVO is being carried out, and Donbass is not completely liberated, strikes are still being carried out on Donetsk
    1. +6
      4 February 2024 06: 59
      Quote: parusnik
      according to the logic of capitalist relations

      All these mantras about free trade are nothing more than stupid fairy tales that we were fed with first in the USSR, and then during perestroika. In fact, they wouldn’t let us buy anything.
      1. +7
        4 February 2024 07: 18
        In fact, they wouldn’t let us buy anything.
        Well, everything fell apart and fell apart there... By the way, the assets of Zaporozhye and Kharkov enterprises belong to Abramovich’s group, not 100%, but he has a decent share there.
  10. +11
    4 February 2024 07: 11
    The author’s praises are understandable - but in Soviet times, Ukraine was not self-sufficient - it annually received subsidies of 7% of its budget from the all-Union budget, but, in fact, these funds were separated from the RSFSR. And, since all the republics, except Belarus, lived at the expense of the RSFSR and the standard of living in the outskirts was much higher than in Russia, the self-esteem of the parasites went off scale. Great: Georgia received 1 rubles in subsidies for every 3 ruble they earned, the Baltic states received 2 rubles, etc. - you can live and turn up your nose!
    1. +16
      4 February 2024 07: 25
      The author also forgot to note that what was destroyed now and later will be restored at the expense of Russia. So Russians will not see an increase in their well-being for a long time - after all, we have several “black holes” - the Caucasus, Crimea, Moscow and the region - these regions take away the lion’s share of the budget expenditures for their benefit. Russia is not only getting poorer, but there are also fewer and fewer people east of Moscow. And the void is filled by migrants with the desire of Moscow money bags and officials.
      1. -12
        4 February 2024 08: 36
        The author also forgot to note that what was destroyed now and later will be restored at the expense of Russia.
        Don’t you consider Donbass to be Russia? Do you recommend returning it?
        1. +6
          4 February 2024 13: 51
          I noted only the facts - after all, everything destroyed in the Donbass is already being restored at the expense of Russia, except for the “black holes” - the Caucasus, Crimea, Moscow and the region. And Donbass - yes, has become part of Russia, but will remain subsidized for a long time.
      2. +8
        4 February 2024 10: 40
        We're already paying"
        The President called the socio-economic development of Donbass and Novorossiya in 2023 a revival. For this purpose, 1 trillion and 87 billion rubles were invested in the regions
    2. -1
      5 February 2024 23: 08
      annually received 7% subsidies to its budget from the all-Union

      These are fairy tales. I saw these signs on the Internet, taken from nowhere. Under the Union, in principle, there was no such distribution; there were completely different principles, primarily among departments.
  11. -7
    4 February 2024 07: 37
    Such a prospect, on the one hand, forces all officials to tense up and avoid sabotage, and on the other hand, it signals the correctness of the chosen path.

    There's no need to stress! Everything has been invented a long time ago!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_TQFeQ534s
    It remains to restore the State Defense Committees... Not the State Defense Committees that were invented during the EBN era, but the State Defense Committee of the Stalin era... And it’s time to consider the affairs of production saboteurs as direct sabotage.
    1. -5
      4 February 2024 17: 08
      Quote: ROSS 42
      State Defense Committee of the times of Stalin...And it’s time to consider the affairs of production saboteurs as direct sabotage.

      The problem is that then you will have to catch “500” and shoot almost all of them at VO.
      This is much easier than fighting saboteurs.

      And if you have any doubts that it’s more difficult with saboteurs than with barkers, then let me remind you that there are lists of 200-300 people in the Management and Engineering Department on the case of 45mm armor-piercing shells or 76mm abandoned HE without fuses or defective armor steel which was dramatically reduced by the end of the war up to 52%( normal sheet - defective sheet belay ) and here was an article with the chemical composition of the armor of the museum T-34 - which did not fall close to the tolerances (iron and okay, yeah, yeah...)
  12. +14
    4 February 2024 07: 37
    The regions liberated during the special operation are among the most highly developed in the entire post-Soviet space

    Why this election campaign in the style of “we are doing everything right” (everything is according to plan)???
  13. +20
    4 February 2024 07: 39
    Russia's wealth will grow in Donbass? In my opinion, the wealth of a narrow stratum of the population, called the big bourgeoisie, will grow, and the common people will pay for this feast, including with blood. In general, do not confuse your sheep with the state ones...
  14. +11
    4 February 2024 08: 03
    Why all these praises?

    Moreover, over the years of “sovereign” Ukraine, local managers miraculously managed to ruin everything. From a scientific point of view, this is called deindustrialization, but in simple terms, it is a betrayal of one’s own people.

    Isn't that the case with us? Aren't our managers amazing? And about the people, does all this belong to the people? All enterprises belong to certain citizens..
  15. +5
    4 February 2024 08: 18
    Kyiv aircraft manufacturers from the Antonov company knew how to surprise not only their country, but the whole world.

    Where are they now? Kyiv aircraft manufacturers with their aircraft manufacturing?

    They could surprise only as part of the great USSR, and flutter while there was an order from Russia. When they refused (themselves!) from the Russian order, their song was sung. Now the phrase "Kyiv aircraft manufacturers" can be safely perceived as a meme and some kind of misunderstanding.
    1. +2
      4 February 2024 08: 35
      It was not the aircraft manufacturers who refused, but the leadership of the former USSR, led by Kravchuk. and Russia also began a policy of economic barriers and self-isolation. I remember how on the border between the Lugansk and Rostov regions a booth with “mytnykamy-prykordonnakamy” appeared, and literally a day or two later the same thing happened on the Russian side, and maybe they were even the first to set up theirs.
      By the way, they still stand like that, although there seems to be no border anymore... everyone wants to eat.
      1. +4
        4 February 2024 08: 52
        Quote: VZEM100
        not aircraft manufacturers but management

        Well, yes. Every fish rots from the head on. hi
    2. -1
      4 February 2024 09: 28
      everything flows, everything changes...once Moscow could flutter only because Kyiv stood behind it.
  16. +2
    4 February 2024 08: 29
    are among the most highly developed in the entire post-Soviet space. It’s interesting where they developed so much during the post-Soviet years? At first, during the “freedom”, everything was pumped out, then the blockade and the war were finished off, now these are the most depressed regions in economic terms. And so that normal life can begin there again, work and work and pour in a lot of money, and I doubt that business will go there, again everything will be done at the expense of the budget. Crimea is an example of this. Instead of a normal analysis of the situation, election propaganda, why is this at VO at all?
  17. 0
    4 February 2024 08: 38
    Under Soviet rule, the republics themselves did not build or produce anything without the decision of the country's leadership.
  18. +13
    4 February 2024 08: 41
    We (LPR) will soon have only state employees and, at best, military bases. The entire industry was destroyed in 2014-2022. Tau Siberians don’t worry
    1. -7
      4 February 2024 08: 48
      they began to destroy it here immediately with the proclamation of independence. and 14-22 became only a continuation of what was started then.
      1. +9
        4 February 2024 08: 51
        Yes, not just in 2013 there was a peak and real money was invested, especially in the Alchevsk metallurgical plant
        1. -9
          4 February 2024 08: 53
          At the Alchevsk plant, the light didn’t converge like a wedge, so there’s no need to la la. I think you yourself know that in Ukraine, almost all the machine-building enterprises that were sold for scrap metal were destroyed. I can give a list for Lugansk and, if necessary, for the entire region.
          1. +4
            4 February 2024 09: 01
            Yes I agree. The best enterprise in the city was destroyed. I’m talking about those liquid enterprises where something else is still possible, and these are the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works, Severodonetsk Azot, Lisichansk Oil Refinery, Proletary Plant, Rubezhansky Powder Plant. I had to (except for the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works) free them, so not everything is good there.
            1. -3
              4 February 2024 09: 14
              getting acquainted with the history of industrial development in our Donbass, I read quite a long time ago that starting from the beginning of the 70s, in relation to the Donbass economy, financing began to be curtailed due to the depletion of mines and, accordingly, the emergence of problems for coal and heavy engineering enterprises and also metallurgy for them tied. and the USSR was no longer able to carry out any diversification and change in the economic model of this region.
              In the 80s they tried to build separate new high-tech production facilities (which also died in the 90s), but it was already too late.
        2. -2
          4 February 2024 08: 54
          it was a small peak against the backdrop of a continued downward decline.
  19. +6
    4 February 2024 08: 41
    Train Moscow - Nalchik, 2010, on the Ukrainian side all the land is plowed, on the Russian side everything is overgrown with weeds.
    1. -6
      4 February 2024 08: 49
      If Russia had a population of 2 billion. people would also plow everything up.
    2. 0
      4 February 2024 22: 00
      If I’m not mistaken, in 2015 I ended up in a sanatorium. My roommate was a man from near Voronezh. He was on disability, but was engaged in fattening bulls for meat. I was familiar with agriculture. So he said that all the lands around were plowed, even the country roads.
      To the north, yes. The fields are overgrown with birch trees.
      1. -1
        4 February 2024 22: 18
        On South
        All the lands are cultivated, but not every year it’s profitable. I don’t understand why the Ministry of Agriculture, which doesn’t do anything at all
  20. +14
    4 February 2024 08: 54
    Moreover, over the years of “sovereign” Ukraine, local managers miraculously managed to ruin everything. From a scientific point of view, this is called deindustrialization, but in simple terms, it is a betrayal of one’s own people.

    Touched. lol
    In the Russian Federation or other republics of the former Union, did things happen differently?
    A question for the “patriots” of the capitalist Russian Federation. Will you restore Azovstal or is the fight for the environment getting in the way?
    Or maybe it’s even more banal - our spiritually strong “patriots” don’t need competitors?
    What is the price for a ton of sheet metal today?laughing
  21. -5
    4 February 2024 09: 32
    The main thing is that we don’t put all sorts of good-for-nothings and opportunists in leadership positions here and ask for specific work... and in “old Russia” itself, political reforms and the return of power to the people have begun and everything will work out.
  22. +3
    4 February 2024 10: 19
    Kyiv aircraft manufacturers from the Antonov company

    Only people came to all these design bureaus from all over the country.
    That is, both the “Kharkov tank” and the Antonov design bureau are located in the Ukrainian SSR, but they are not exactly Ukrainian.
  23. -1
    4 February 2024 10: 48
    Did the Great Patriotic War, and now the Northern Military District, teach us nothing? Yes, it is necessary to restore the former Ukrainian regions, but they are located too close to the border and the open sea, which means they will certainly become a prime target for attacks by any external aggressor. In the last century, there were not such advanced means of destruction, and therefore the USSR managed to move a significant part of its production to the rear. But the price for this was a temporary decline in production, to say nothing of the rest. How many more “lessons” are needed to industrialize the Siberian and Far Eastern regions?
    1. +3
      4 February 2024 14: 20
      Dear Yuras_Belarus!
      Absolutely agree with you! During that war, vast territories in the west were captured by the enemy. And they set up a blockade of Leningrad because the city was too close to the border. For information: in 1939, J.V. Stalin forced the preparation of more than 2 thousand industrial sites beyond the Urals and further in the east of the country for specific factories located in Ukraine. And after the start of the war, more than 2 thousand enterprises were evacuated to the east, along with 10 million workers in these enterprises, along with members of their families. This operation was organized by L.P. Beria.
      Unfortunately, now the eastern part of the country is losing population moving to Moscow, Moscow. region, St. Petersburg, to the south of the country - to Krasnodar, Stavropol, Crimea... And these huge population areas, in the event of war, will become mass burial grounds...
      1. 0
        6 February 2024 00: 24
        Mikoyan, Kaganovich, Shvernik, Kosygin, Pervukhin, Saburov also made great contributions to organizing the evacuation.
    2. -3
      4 February 2024 19: 40
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      . In the last century, there were not such advanced means of destruction, and therefore the USSR managed to move a significant part of its production to the rear. But the price for this was a temporary decline in production, to say nothing of the rest. How many more “lessons” are needed to industrialize the Siberian and Far Eastern regions?

      And you naively Do you think that it won’t reach Yekaterinburg/Khabarovsk/Chita if the Great War starts?
  24. +2
    4 February 2024 10: 49
    Judging by the fact that our “Irreplaceable” has started talking about the demilitarized zone, he is not going to restore the territories where active hostilities took place.
    1. 0
      4 February 2024 13: 06
      he is not going to restore the territories where active hostilities took place.

      The main task is being accomplished - to liberate the territories from the Russians...
  25. -2
    4 February 2024 11: 36
    The power of Russia will grow in Donbass
    I would also add, at a minimum, Nikolaev and Odessa. sad
  26. -1
    4 February 2024 11: 43
    I remember how my colleagues from Alchevsk learned the secrets of new technologies in the early 2000s. True, after a few years, Akhmetov lured away not the technology, but already experienced specialists with these technologies.
  27. -1
    4 February 2024 12: 00
    Quote: Radikal
    The power of Russia will grow in Donbass
    I would also add, at a minimum, Nikolaev and Odessa. sad

    Did the SBU agent, or the State Intelligence Directorate, put the minus? Or maybe MOSSAD, or CIA/DIA? Confess, you bastard, otherwise we’ll find you anyway, and the worst thing will happen - we won’t take you prisoner... bully
  28. +1
    4 February 2024 12: 04
    The leadership of the USSR did not learn anything from the Second World War; in addition to its advantages, Ukraine also had a huge disadvantage: during the war, the territory of Ukraine quickly found itself in the occupation zone..

    All major strategic production had to be located beyond the Volga, from Nizhny Novgorod to Novosibirsk.
    The movement of competent, qualified personnel to new facilities was not a problem under the USSR; the distribution system worked after universities and technical schools, and there the personnel were easily secured by providing them with comfortable housing.
    A country is strong when it has a strong CENTER, and the national outskirts are drawn to such a strong country...
    After the Second World War, almost everything was restored and built from scratch, and the question of WHERE TO BUILD did not matter much.
    1. +4
      4 February 2024 13: 13
      Quote: assault
      All major strategic production had to be located beyond the Volga, from Nizhny Novgorod to Novosibirsk.

      So many things were built beyond the Volga, especially the Ural/Siberian industry increased after the evacuation. Note that almost all the enterprises remained there forever, where they were evacuated.
      There is a rational grain in your logic, but there are many inconsistencies. What now, should we not develop the richest deposits of coal and metals, not build factories near the mines, not build shipyards in convenient harbors? And factories/mines are people, and people are cities, and cities are science, etc... In the Urals and Siberia there are difficult climatic conditions, where in any case the cost per unit of goods will be higher, transportation of goods and raw materials over long distances They also cost a pretty penny. "The economy must be economical." For me, it is necessary to develop all territories, and not just the center, correctly integrating the advantages of each region into the country’s economy.
      1. +1
        6 February 2024 10: 22
        I largely agree. But the city and the industries in it can be destroyed even in relatively good climatic conditions. If, year after year, consistently, living conditions worsen in all directions. For example, regulate the discharge of water from a hydroelectric power station so that all eggs laid by fish are dried. In twenty years, the fish in the lower reaches of the Volga were almost completely destroyed. For example, the last time traffic lights were adjusted correctly was in 2010-2012, then that’s it! 5 kilometers are covered in 40 minutes. With a set of sabotage measures carried out sequentially and simultaneously, it is possible to gradually liquidate a city of a million people, which is what is being observed.
    2. +5
      4 February 2024 13: 17
      Quote: assault
      The leadership of the USSR did not learn anything from the Second World War; in addition to its advantages, Ukraine also had a huge disadvantage: during the war, the territory of Ukraine quickly found itself in the occupation zone..

      After the Second World War, a rather large layer was formed between the USSR and the capitalist West in the form of socialist countries. And the climate plays a fairly big role in the economy.
  29. +4
    4 February 2024 12: 20
    It will not be the country that will pester you, but the big capitalists of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs
  30. +7
    4 February 2024 12: 28
    IMHO, you can look at the example of the LDPR to see how it will be.
    There and under Ukraine, many shops were closed. And under Russia it continued to close.
    Only the profitable oligarchic industries remained - Coal, Gas, metallurgy. Moreover, the Ukrainian oligarchs owned it for a long time even after 14 years. then the Moscow ones took it.
    Working hard, poverty, salary in the city is 15 thousand, miners - supposedly 40 thousand. Then they mobilized so much that there was no one to work in the mines, and the Local EDRO asked Putin for permission to sell it off and privatize it. (Written last year).
    In general, will they continue to develop the Soviet capacities until they drop?, and then... they promise “eco parks”, “nano startups”, “techno-towns”... but no longer heard...
  31. +6
    4 February 2024 13: 18
    It is not entirely clear when and who seized certain territories from the Russian Federation. Putin and Medvedev themselves gave the islands to China and the shelf of the Barents Sea to China and Norway.
    1. +5
      4 February 2024 13: 49
      Quote: Witold Baneshka
      It is not entirely clear when and who seized certain territories from the Russian Federation. Putin and Medvedev themselves gave the islands to China and the shelf of the Barents Sea to China and Norway.

      I hope that the next rulers will say that this was a politically short-sighted decision, foreign fish offend Russian fish and will release them. Just kidding, if anything.
  32. 0
    4 February 2024 14: 23
    Donbass is not only industry, but also mineral resources. And also the north of the Azov Sea - a resort belt. But we must win the war. 10th year...
    1. WFP
      0
      5 February 2024 12: 21
      To do this, it is necessary to revive the geological service in Donbass. It is the real service, which is engaged in geological exploration and preparation for the use of subsoil resources, and which was one of the strongest in the USSR. And not the one that was created in the DPR to deal with the distribution of licenses and geological control, i.e. using old, mostly Soviet results.
    2. -1
      5 February 2024 23: 18
      The mineral resources there have long been depleted and there are not very many profitable mines left there.
  33. 0
    4 February 2024 14: 29
    Since 2020, I have already purchased 6 cast iron heating radiators from the Lugansk Foundry and Mechanical Plant. Lowest price, which means quick sale. The Nizhny Tagil plant and the Belarusians, with the same characteristics, are not competitors to them. I recommend - there are no defects, all holes are closed with caps so that mice do not climb. Paint, connect and fill with coolant.
    1. 0
      4 February 2024 17: 33
      Compared to those that were poured in Soviet times - bullshit. the walls are twice as thin. learned from all sorts of cunning people.
  34. +4
    4 February 2024 15: 21
    The power of Russia will increase under Soviet power. Without this there is no way.
    1. 0
      4 February 2024 17: 37
      conditions for the development of small and medium-sized businesses need favorable conditions, then restoration and development will take place in any region.
      in the Donbass nothing is being done in this direction at all, just rip-offs.
      1. +6
        4 February 2024 18: 21
        Naive? Do you believe that there can be good capitalism? Is it okay that it is based on the robbery of workers?
        The one who is stronger is the one who robs. Our bourgeois thieves are being robbed by American-Europeans simply because they are stronger. Soon everyone will be plundering.
        Do you think the big bourgeoisie benefits from the development of small businesses? So that he grows into a competitor for them? They will ruin, absorb at least as many successful ones, occupy the opened niche and will not say thank you to the one who opened it. Small-to-medium businessmen will only have to dream. They will not be allowed to get rich above a certain level. It's the same in the country. The strong crush the weak. Only everything is in a rougher form.
        1. -1
          4 February 2024 18: 58
          In Soviet times, workers were also not particularly taken into account. There is no need to idealize.
          I believe in common sense. If a capable and interested person is given independence and the pressure is removed at least for a while, the result will be positive for everyone.
          In general, at the current level of development of the consciousness of humanity as a whole and of individual people, it is impossible to realize a utopia like the one they wanted to realize 100 years ago in Russia and other countries. Understanding this comes with experience and age. We are still very far from communism.
          Therefore, we proceed from what we have.
          1. +3
            4 February 2024 19: 22
            I don’t idealize the USSR. This first attempt at a just society was not without mistakes. But that’s why it’s the first experience. It was necessary to correct the mistakes, but instead they destroyed the country.
            For me, the period of the USSR, especially the Stalin period, is still the best in the history of mankind.
            There is nothing in the works of Lenin and Stalin that endorses the exploitation of the working people for the benefit of anyone. On the contrary, everything was against exploitation. Capitalism is based on exploitation. Small and medium businesses as well.
            1. 0
              4 February 2024 19: 27
              I don’t mind, it was necessary to correct the mistake, reform the country and prevent collapse, at least try to keep the main republics together, but this should have started at least in the 50s and not in 1985 when it was already too late.
              As for exploitation, no state can exist without it, and the USSR also dealt with it in its own way. The capitalists coerced the workers using economic methods, and in the USSR they also used force, since the former were stalled..
              Work is one thing and real life is another.
              1. +2
                4 February 2024 19: 31
                Agree. The best result would have been if we started in the 50s. But even in 90 it could have been fixed. But we would have to act much tougher.
                1. 0
                  4 February 2024 19: 34
                  In the 80s there was already a big problem with separatism and nationalism in the Caucasus and Central Asia, so I think they would no longer be able to be contained
                  1. +2
                    4 February 2024 19: 48
                    Russia collapsed immediately after February 1917. The Bolsheviks suppressed most of the separatism and returned the territories (not without losses). Another part was returned in 1939, in 1945. I won’t list too many facts. I think that the main thing is a steady hand and a clear understanding of what you want to do. Among those who destroyed the USSR, there was a firm hand, and there was an understanding of what to do for the collapse.
                    1. 0
                      4 February 2024 19: 54
                      after 17, these nationalities were still small in number and backward, and by 91, thanks to Soviet power, they had already formed some sort of national identity and self-government with clear borders...therefore, in 91. it would be an order of magnitude more difficult.
                      As Aliyev Sr. said that already in the 70s he realized that things were moving towards the separation of the republics.
                      1. +1
                        4 February 2024 20: 02
                        Comrade, there is no need for pessimism and a defeatist mood.
                      2. 0
                        4 February 2024 20: 04
                        There is no need to rush at tanks with a saber either.
                  2. 0
                    6 February 2024 00: 29
                    In Central Asia there were no particular problems with separatism.
    2. -1
      4 February 2024 19: 44
      Quote: VasAndr
      The power of Russia will increase under Soviet power. Without this there is no way.

      To begin with, the Soviet government did nothing to prevent the Central Committee of the CPSU from destroying the USSR...
      Why do you think that she won’t keep her mouth shut again?
  35. +2
    4 February 2024 18: 55
    The title of the article is very pretentious. But there are questions, for example about this:
    Therefore, when they talk about the integration of new regions of Russia, it is necessary to remember that our fighters brought home some of the leading industrial centers, if not all of Eastern Europe, then certainly the post-Soviet space.
    Returning him home to whom specifically or so, in general?! winked
  36. +2
    4 February 2024 23: 08
    But someone tore these Russian lands away from Russia. Moreover, 2 times in 100 years. And these people were sitting in the Kremlin!
  37. -3
    4 February 2024 23: 12
    Quote: VZEM100
    In the 80s there was already a big problem with separatism and nationalism in the Caucasus and Central Asia, so I think they would no longer be able to be contained


    Because according to Lenin’s behests, the national outskirts were supposed to develop through reverse discrimination of Russians as a former imperial bloody people. If the outskirts live better than the Center, why does it need this center?
    1. 0
      6 February 2024 22: 45
      Why such a people, if they are the largest and most defenseless, governed by everyone who comes to the door? What - - the life lived was not enough to ask yourself a simple question?

      Eklmn..... how come..... they got it....
  38. 0
    5 February 2024 07: 57
    restoring heavy, high-tech industry is a political PR campaign bordering on imbecility. just doesn’t learn from his mistakes.....the initial period of the Second World War. A military conflict in Europe is clearly brewing. the mining industry, the agricultural sector, tourism - this is what can be left to the Donbass. There is no point in reviving the rest. you need to take off your rose-colored glasses and be realistic. It’s easier to protect the Trans-Urals...more time to make decisions. and it’s time for the capital of our homeland to move to Siberia. thousands of kilometers of distance and China behind us gives a greater chance for the country’s survival. And people will move to a new place for production....they won’t go anywhere.
  39. AB
    0
    5 February 2024 10: 39
    Power that cannot make normal machines on its own... Well, at least some. and normal, modern electronics for the mass consumer will grow with the legacy of the USSR, which I hope was at least modernized somewhere, although it was later bombed. Sounds kind of sad.
  40. +1
    5 February 2024 15: 01
    Moreover, over the years of “sovereign” Ukraine, local managers miraculously managed to ruin everything. From a scientific point of view, this is called deindustrialization, but in simple terms, it is a betrayal of one’s own people.

    That's right. But it’s just not any better here.
    The mechanical engineering of any country is assessed by the bearing industry. And here's what the statistics on this industry tell us:
    1987 - 800 million bearings of all types and sizes were produced in the USSR.
    2000 - 250 million bearings of all types and sizes were produced in the Russian Federation.
    2018 - 50 million bearings of all types and sizes were produced in the Russian Federation.
    As they say, no comment.
  41. 0
    15 February 2024 12: 05
    Who are the owners of factories and steamships? Oligarchs? Why should oligarchs invest in other people's production? It’s easier for them to sell it all for metal, and at the same time get rid of a competitor.