Import, import... We looked carefully - China!

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Import, import... We looked carefully - China!


Volumes are growing, indicators are also...


Recently, in connection with Western sanctions, Russia has been looking for ways to import necessary, including strategically irreplaceable, goods from friendly countries. One of these countries, which became the main exporter of a number of types of products to Russia, was, as one might expect, China.



What can such close cooperation, which is already turning into dependence, result in, and in general, how friendly is China to Russia? Even taking into account the fact that in 2023, Russia’s foreign trade with China experienced a real boom. It is more beneficial to China than to Russia.

The volume of trade turnover increased by 26,3% compared to the previous year, amounting to $240,11 billion. Many politicians and economists in Russia took this very positively. At the same time, there is one fly in the ointment: the commodity structure of exports and imports. Russia exports to China more than 70% of its total hydrocarbon exports: coal, gas, oil and petroleum products.

While the structure of imports is dominated by industrial equipment, cars and components, electronics and household appliances. Among the segments of imports from China, the auto industry generally showed a phenomenal increase compared to 2022: 3,5 times, amounting to $22,5 billion.

Russian exports and Chinese principles


Of course, energy resources can and should be exported, as long as Russia has a surplus of them. The Persian Gulf countries, located in a barren desert, have built their richest economies on oil. Russia's availability of raw materials is, of course, its advantage. But the buyer countries, that is, the sales markets, must be diversified.

China has long been accustomed, ever since it became a world leader in assembling everything, to work with its trading partners according to two principles.

First – you give us raw materials, and we give you goods, recently primarily high-tech products.


Second principle – use technologies from other countries very widely. It is the second fact that is the main reason why former US President Donald Trump imposed extremely harsh sanctions on Chinese electronics. In Russia, the largest business that makes money from energy resources is apparently not against such a work scheme.

Separately gas, separately imports?


In not so distant times, when Russia’s foreign economic policy was actually personally determined by Anatoly Chubais of ill memory, export orientation was mainly to the West. Who could have known that Russia would be pitted against Ukraine and imposed with twelve packages of sanctions at once?

China did not play a big role in Russian foreign trade at that time. Unless small businesses supplied to the Russian market, given the low purchasing power of the majority of the population at that time, various cheap products from the Middle Kingdom, mainly low-quality electronics, clothing, and jewelry.

But even later, when the economy was already leveling out, the orientation of energy exports remained predominantly to Europe - until sanctions began in 2014 and the question of import substitution arose. In particular, Gazprom supplied 85% of its products there before the well-known events.

At the same time, among European countries, the main buyer of Russian hydrocarbons was Germany, which has been virtually a vassal of the United States since the time of the NATO occupation of Germany. This was clear to everyone, but for some reason no one thought about the consequences.

As a result, using the anti-Russian hype as a pretext, the United States decided to take away the Russian share of the large European energy consumption market. Only then did Gazprom become concerned about the problem of insufficient gasification in Russia itself. Such carelessness is unforgivable.

What mistakes do you learn from?


But let's move on to the issue of imports.

In a number of segments, for example, mobile phones, China dominated the Russian market even before the sanctions. After the sanctions, the list of goods in the industrial products and industrial equipment segments from China has expanded significantly.

The process has acquired such a large scale that officials are seriously concerned that China Mobile and Huawei will become monopolists in the Russian mobile communications and smartphone market and will divide the market among themselves. If such a strategy is made long-term, it will mean a loss in the global technology market for the country that is the successor of the Soviet Union, which, by the way, launched the world’s first satellite.

In the worst-case scenario, this is fraught with a complete loss of the country’s technological sovereignty. There is no strategic sense in such one-sided import substitution - with a change of importer from the West to China. Moreover, this is extremely harmful for the country’s economy, and shows that mistakes teach neither Russian big business nor foreign trade departments anything.

This means that the process must be intervened at the very top, forcing both state corporations and private businesses to diversify foreign trade. As long as “effective” management goes where the wind blows, Russia will remain a resource-based economy.


60 percent hope?


Yes, indeed, Russia has completed the import substitution task by 60%. But most, for example, semiconductors and electronics are supplied from China, the total import turnover from which is about 30%.

China is showing the same interest in other EAEU countries as part of the “One Belt, One Road” strategy. But the position and role of the EAEU countries in the Chinese strategy is quite different.

For example, Belarus has nothing to fear, since it does not have a common border with China. Well, the Chinese cannot lay claim to the natural resources of our allied republic, unlike, for example, the situation in Kyrgyzstan: everything is being developed on their own.
In Russia, China has long been expanding its labor resources in the Far East, which it has long considered a priori its own. And it is quite possible that through barter he may demand a lease for the territories there, and for a long-term lease, as far as possible.

Well, for the sake of national security, we must not forget that this is the most dangerous possible outcome of such a lack of diversification of foreign trade.
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  1. +12
    2 February 2024 05: 20
    Neither Russian big business nor foreign trade departments learn anything from mistakes.
    It’s the smart people who only learn from other people’s mistakes, and those who don’t want to learn usually say they deceived us: the evil Alice Fox and Basilio the Cat
    1. +3
      2 February 2024 08: 14
      parusnik(Alexey Bogomazov)

      There will be no import substitution in this country (RF) until this import stops entering this country. As long as the opportunity remains to import something here, private business will do it, because... It is easier to resell (short money) than to create production (long money). hi
      1. +10
        2 February 2024 08: 59
        Well, what kind of import substitution can there be in principle at such a cost of loans?? And the almost complete absence of long-term loans? It’s not even profitable to import cocaine here, let alone set up new production facilities. Plus - the poor population. Who will buy these types of goods, especially high-tech ones? There would be enough for pasta...
        1. -2
          2 February 2024 09: 16
          paul3390(Paul)
          If we rely on data on sales of new cars, then not all of our population is poor. wink
          Autostat summed up the results of car sales on the Russian market in the past 2023. In just twelve months, 1 million 309 thousand new cars of various classes (including trucks and buses) were sold in the country, and this is 64% more than in the disastrous 2022.
          The market for new passenger cars has grown by 69%, to 1 million 59 thousand units: this includes official sales and all types of alternative imports. Moreover, the peak occurred in December, when almost 120 thousand cars were registered, although in the first seven months the demand did not exceed hundreds of thousands. That is, by the end of the year the pace increased almost to the levels of 2021 (1,52 million new passenger cars were sold then).
          And this despite the fact that prices for new cars in 2023 have increased relative to prices in 2021:
          The rise in prices on the Russian automobile market over the past year is reminiscent of the acceleration dynamics of powerful sports cars. According to official data from Rosstat, in the past year the retail price of a car in Russia set a historical record: on average, prices for new and used passenger cars in the Russian Federation jumped by 24,33%. This is the highest figure in a decade (since Rosstat began keeping similar statistics).
          hi
        2. +6
          2 February 2024 09: 39
          Dig deeper. What kind of import substitution can there be in a country that has lost sovereignty?
        3. 0
          15 February 2024 04: 25
          One tried to live on the recommended pasta and seemed to even end up in the hospital.
      2. +1
        3 February 2024 15: 24
        “There will be no import substitution in this country (Russian Federation) until this import stops coming into this country. As long as the opportunity remains to import something here, private business will do this, because it is easier to resell (short money) than to create production (long-term money)."

        Absolutely the right idea!
    2. +1
      2 February 2024 11: 10
      “Smart people only learn from other people’s mistakes” is, in my opinion, the stupidest saying. You can’t learn anything practical from someone else’s experience alone. You cannot learn to walk, write, drive a car, and so on without experience. You can only use someone else's experience through your own experience.
  2. KCA
    -8
    2 February 2024 05: 26
    UWB introduced hellish sanctions for the sale of lithography stations to China, but last year photos of Chinese processors with a 5 nm process technology appeared, and recently they openly announced this, they are not sitting on our butts, they are working, but their own lithography will be experimental in the year 26-27 , in the meantime, why not buy MSK from China? Or not order production from TSMC? Apple doesn’t produce anything, processors are made by TSMC, does anyone in the UWB write angry articles about import substitution? Oh that's different
    1. +8
      2 February 2024 07: 23
      Quote: KCA
      Or not order production from TSMC? Apple doesn’t produce anything, processors are made by TSMC, does anyone in the UWB write angry articles about import substitution? Oh that's different

      Firstly, in the USA they just write angry articles about import substitution and try to get out of the hole they have fallen into by transferring many production facilities to China.
      Secondly, the USA is full of excellent factories for the production of chips - not 2nm, but nevertheless - it’s not for nothing that they prohibit the export of their own to China. Yes, and Intel - although it was blown away at one time under the wise leadership of effective managers, it is quite moving forward with rapid steps. Not to mention IBM developing the technology.
      And they have their own development tools (Cadence, Mentor). So are materials and chemistry.

      But that's it, a review.
      Ordering production anywhere is not shameful, but necessary; it would be stupid not to do this.
      But the plans to “catch up and overtake!” alas, they don’t seem real. Optimism with our lithography, etc... At the current pace we will reduce lag speed - and not a lag. Alas, electronics is now a super strategic industry. And we are in the position of a teenager who graduated from school with a C-minus and is shouting, that’s it, now I’m tense, I urgently need to go to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
      Decades of idleness are not quickly compensated for. And in general, they are compensated, as in the example with the teenager - very rarely and through painful methods...
      1. KCA
        -3
        2 February 2024 08: 07
        I’ve written here more than once, I’ve been selling computer equipment for 10 years, and I’m still a little involved, I’ve never seen an Intel or AMD processor made in USA, I’ll give it a shot, I’ve never seen what factories there have with 2nm technical process? WHERE? Where are these MSH? In space with Musk? In space, 2nm has never given in to anyone, but our 100µm is just right there, especially in ceramics and +120/-50 degrees operating temperature range
        1. BAI
          +1
          2 February 2024 08: 36
          In space, 2nm has never given in to anyone, but our 100µm is just right there, especially in ceramics and +120/-50 degrees operating temperature range

          These 2 nm will come back to haunt the owners in the event of a nuclear war
          1. KCA
            -2
            2 February 2024 08: 56
            Yes, what a war, another mega flare on the Sun and everything that was not underground bunkers for scrap, this happened already in 67, but then the transistors were just 2mm, not 2nm, not to mention the lamps
        2. +2
          2 February 2024 09: 03
          In space 2nm has not given up to anyone

          I’ll say more - if you write normal software, they’re somehow not really needed on Earth... And if you have, say, network card drivers for 200 mega, then it’s clear that there won’t be enough computer resources..
          1. KCA
            -1
            2 February 2024 09: 35
            That's for sure, I remember in the 90-00s there was a 64k competition, demo programs were 64 kilobytes, kilobytes, not gigabytes, there were such 3-D compositions with music, now Hollywood with a million-dollar budget will not repeat it
          2. +1
            2 February 2024 12: 09
            640KB should be enough for everyone. © smile

            Quote: paul3390
            And if you have, say, a network card driver for 200 mega, then it’s clear that there won’t be enough computer resources..

            Or the browser after the next update"in order to optimize the use of resources"Instead of one process, which previously consumed one and a half gigabytes of memory, it suddenly produces a dozen processes of 200-500 megagrams each.
        3. +4
          2 February 2024 12: 36
          The unfortunate salesman never mastered the basics and never reached the level of a sales consultant.
          No one currently has a functioning 2 nm process.
          An Intel processor with the inscription “made in Malaysia” means that additional value has been created in Malaysia sufficient for such marking according to local legislation. Assembly operations are carried out in Malaysia, which include, but are not limited to, pinning, packaging and testing.
          The wafers themselves are produced at Intel factories in the USA. You can find out more about this on the Intel website. There are already three such factories in the states.
          For sellers, it is recommended to type “wayfer” into Google search. You can also drive in wafer semiconductors. But this is already a problem with an asterisk.
          1. KCA
            -4
            2 February 2024 13: 37
            The unfortunate salesman also knows that waffles are made from Russian sand, oh how, and here is a gas station country, or rather a sand station
            1. +1
              2 February 2024 14: 09
              It's even worse than I thought
              Meet Spruce Pine, North Carolina
              https://www.wired.com/story/book-excerpt-science-of-ultra-pure-silicon/
              Another source is called Australia
              1. KCA
                -6
                2 February 2024 15: 00
                Australia is a country of wild kangaroos, rabbits and dingoes chasing them, there is a little bit of coal, but the Chinese are 100% there, silicon is from Australia? nurse
                1. +2
                  2 February 2024 15: 15
                  Some kind of standard crazy from the Chamber of Weights and Measures.
                  http://austsilicaquartz.com.au/
            2. +4
              2 February 2024 14: 11
              The unfortunate salesman also knows that waffles are made from Russian sand

              Woe sold in the sand is as ignorant as in the production of processors. The US is the world's leading exporter of quartz sand, accounting for 49 percent of global exports. Russia is not even visible in this process.
              1. KCA
                -7
                2 February 2024 14: 28
                Aha, 49% of what? Quartz sand from Russia, you are much more ignorant than me, if you blow off the dust from the sand it will not become Californian, but will remain Bryansk or Ural
                1. +2
                  2 February 2024 15: 03
                  you are much more ignorant than me

                  You flatter me; it is very difficult to be more ignorant than you.
                  By the way, Bryansk sand belongs to the Belgian company Sibelco Group.
                  1. KCA
                    -2
                    3 February 2024 03: 51
                    Wash your hands before eating, last November:

                    “FSK has completed the acquisition of Russian assets owned by the Belgian company Sibelco,” the developer said in a statement.
    2. Alf
      +2
      2 February 2024 19: 40
      Quote: KCA
      Or not order production from TSMC?

      Are you sure they will sell?
      1. KCA
        -1
        3 February 2024 03: 59
        There are a lot of us, just a whole army and they are fighting us, relations with China and its province of Taiwan have been established for a very long time, I don’t even know if any of the electronics from there passed through customs, or how, with what I was connected, it was or how
        1. Alf
          0
          3 February 2024 20: 54
          Quote: KCA
          relations with China and its province of Taiwan have been established for a very long time,

          What about the production of Baikal and Elbrus? There was a rumor that the factory refused to supply them to us, even those that were paid for.
  3. -1
    2 February 2024 07: 36
    The international division of labor is a more effective model, to put it mildly, than an attempt to create self-sufficient production in all areas. But, if you sacrifice the well-being of citizens, then it is quite possible to close down like the DPRK.

    Or switch to the USSR model - produce strategic goods and purchase consumer goods. True, then Russia will end up like the USSR, but this will not happen soon.
    1. +5
      2 February 2024 09: 05
      if you sacrifice the welfare of citizens

      It depends on what you mean by this... Changing a smartphone once a year and a car every three years is not sure that this is an indicator of well-being. For me, it’s just nonsense planted in the fragile minds of individual citizens..
      1. 0
        2 February 2024 09: 36
        Quote: paul3390
        if you sacrifice the welfare of citizens

        It depends on what you mean by this... Changing a smartphone once a year and a car every three years is not sure that this is an indicator of well-being. For me, it’s just nonsense planted in the fragile minds of individual citizens..


        Everyone determines the speed of replacement for themselves, but the possibility of acquisition itself is an objective indicator and it measures precisely the level of well-being. I know people who rarely change smartphones, but are used to traveling to distant countries a couple of times a year. Someone collects stamps...
    2. +2
      2 February 2024 09: 43
      Did the DPRK and the USSR pupate themselves? It was like the blockade and the Iron Curtain were being lowered for them. Similar to current sanctions.
      1. 0
        2 February 2024 10: 56
        Quote: North Caucasus
        Did the DPRK and the USSR pupate themselves? It was like the blockade and the Iron Curtain were being lowered for them. Similar to current sanctions.


        It was a mutual movement. The USSR pupated itself, not letting people go abroad, since many did not return; there was no foreign press on the territory of the USSR, except for the communist one. The West did not want to sell us technology. The door was closed on both sides.
        1. Alf
          +3
          2 February 2024 19: 47
          Quote: S.Z.
          many never returned

          And “these many” have achieved a lot in the West? Who needed him there and what did they achieve? For example, Kramarov. Just don’t cite Shufutinsky, Tokarev and others like them as an example...
    3. +4
      2 February 2024 13: 25
      Quote: S.Z.
      switch to the USSR model - produce strategic goods and purchase consumer goods.

      What consumer goods did the USSR buy? Until a year before 1994, except for cassette tapes, a Montana watch and a couple of rags, I had nothing imported. Exchange the USSR for Russia and you will get everything you wrote about.
      1. 0
        2 February 2024 14: 16
        Quote: Mordvin 3

        What consumer goods did the USSR buy? Until a year before 1994, except for cassette tapes, a Montana watch and a couple of rags, I had nothing imported. Exchange the USSR for Russia and you will get everything you wrote about.


        Only I didn’t have a watch, but Montana jeans...
        Of course, there was no modern scale, but there was no modern range of other goods either. Don’t forget, there were countries of the socialist camp, and star soup was an import, Yugoslavia. Rags from the countries of the socialist camp were highly valued, Kohinoor pencils... There was an international division of labor in the CMEA, and the USSR had a specific place.

        By the way, if you consider that Russia is part of the USSR, then the idea of ​​self-sufficiency looks even worse.
        1. +3
          2 February 2024 14: 30
          Quote: S.Z.
          There was no modern scale, but there was no modern range of other goods either.

          A similar Elektronika watch worked for me for 30 years, unlike that Montana, which lived for two and a half years. And they went much more precisely. Moreover, I broke Electronics, and Montana herself died. And I didn’t see the difference between, for example, the Voronezh Spectrum, the English Spectrum, or the Japanese Atari.
          1. +1
            2 February 2024 15: 50
            “Moreover, I broke Electronics, and Montana herself died.”

            I destroyed electronics by pouring alcohol on it on a business trip, its display turned black.

            “And I didn’t see the difference between, for example, the Voronezh Spectrum, the English Spectrum, or the Japanese Atari.”

            These are already the times of the very late USSR or even the 90s. By the way, all processors were initially imported, but then the USSR quickly established its own production, which is unthinkable in modern conditions.

            Spectrum and Spectrum are the same computers on the same processor, they are still the same Spectrum from Sinclair. I assembled this myself, and it was developed in Lvov, it seems they brought me the board from there. Several different developments of the same ZX Spectrum model were passed around. At that time in the USSR there were many engineers - developers of computers and processors. Then Spectrums began to be mass-produced at factories, including Processor, where I worked. This plant quickly ceased to exist, but it’s a pity that many technologies were lost to the country, the knowledge of engineers was not transferred, we lost several decades and, perhaps, fell behind forever.

            Atari is a completely different model, I don't know it.
            1. +1
              2 February 2024 16: 31
              "Then Spectrums began to be mass-produced at factories, including "Processor" where I worked. This plant quickly ceased to exist, but it’s a pity that many technologies were lost to the country, the knowledge of engineers was not transferred, we lost several decades and, perhaps, fell behind forever."
              I did an internship there repairing Elektronika-60. wink
              Cool, the guys there did the diagnostics.
            2. +1
              3 February 2024 02: 03
              Spectrum and Spectrum are the same computers on the same processor

              Spectrum-001 was on KR580, an analogue of the Intel processor, and Spectrum was on Zilog Z80.
              Maybe, however, there was still some kind of Specter, then they were like mushrooms after the rain.
        2. Alf
          +2
          2 February 2024 19: 52
          Quote: S.Z.
          Kohinoor pencils...

          Yes, an awesome example...I still can’t understand how a pencil from Kohinoor differs from a pencil from the Krasin factory? Perhaps with an attached eraser, which turned out to be so hard that it didn’t erase, but rubbed and smeared...
          By the way, regarding imported clothes, you can thank Khrushchev so that he will turn around again, destroying the private-cooperative sector in the USSR. Can you tell me which organization, or rather, what type of property, produced the first KVN television in the USSR in 1949?
    4. Alf
      +2
      2 February 2024 19: 44
      Quote: S.Z.
      The international division of labor is a more efficient model, to put it mildly

      You speak the truth! Superjet confirms this..
  4. 0
    2 February 2024 07: 44
    China's economic growth is slowing down to 3 percent and its foreign policy will change dramatically.
  5. +5
    2 February 2024 08: 06
    Yes, indeed, Russia has completed the import substitution task by 60%.

    And in more detail, in what areas did we have import substitution...by as much as 60%?
    1. +9
      2 February 2024 09: 29
      Import substitution is not what you think about. This is the replacement of imports with other imports. wink
      1. +3
        2 February 2024 12: 56
        Quote: Ady66
        Import substitution is not what you think about. This is the replacement of imports with other imports.

        With the installation of your own nameplate for imports from China, with the goal of selling it as your own at triple the price to the state.
        1. Alf
          +3
          2 February 2024 19: 57
          Quote: BlackMokona
          for the purpose of selling it as their own at triple the price to the state.

          And Moskvich 3 will not let a private owner lie... True, for some reason there were very few people with an alternatively located brain. And Moskvich 6 confirmed this...
    2. Alf
      +2
      2 February 2024 19: 55
      Quote: Svarog
      Yes, indeed, Russia has completed the import substitution task by 60%.

      And in more detail, in what areas did we have import substitution...by as much as 60%?

      In the car. Audi, Opel, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Renault-Nissan disappeared, but Bud, Cherry, Diamonds, Haval and other car spare parts appeared... True, they come from China, but these are all little things that do not deserve attention...
  6. BAI
    +2
    2 February 2024 08: 35
    shows that mistakes teach neither Russian big business nor foreign trade departments anything.

    Business has nothing to do with it. All questions should be addressed to the government. People sat and still sit there with the principle: why do it yourself, we’ll sell the raw materials and buy them over the hill.
    1. Alf
      +2
      2 February 2024 19: 59
      Quote: BAI
      All questions should be addressed to the government. People sat and still sit there with the principle: why do it yourself, we’ll sell the raw materials and buy them over the hill.

      Exactly.
      Two questions.
      1. And who keeps them there and is satisfied with their work?
      2. And who creates such conditions for business that it is only profitable to buy and sell?
  7. +2
    2 February 2024 08: 40
    that mistakes teach neither Russian big business nor foreign trade departments anything.
    “Mistakes must not be admitted. They must be washed away. With blood!” (c) smile
    1. Alf
      +2
      2 February 2024 20: 01
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      that mistakes teach neither Russian big business nor foreign trade departments anything.
      “Mistakes must not be admitted. They must be washed away. With blood!” (c) smile

      Be careful with such statements. Nobody canceled the article about the call for a change of system. And I really don’t want to be in front of my eyes when a clear example is desperately needed.
  8. +4
    2 February 2024 09: 21
    I'll tell you what's close to me.
    1. Chrome zirconium bronze is produced both here and in China.
    2. Products made from this bronze, produced in China, cost (per kg) the same as a rod of this bronze produced in Russia, similar in weight. And it still needs to be processed in order to obtain these products. Can you guess twice where these products will be purchased? By the way, the position of the rod manufacturer: You order from us, at least 1000 tons, then we will try to make it and tell you the price (these are those who can, but did not produce it). And large producers - one "Red Vyborzhets" and that's it.
    1. 0
      2 February 2024 09: 46
      You order from us, at least 1000 tons, then we will scratch the itch to make it and tell you the price (these are those who can, but have not produced it). And large producers - one "Red Vyborzhets" and that's it.
      Costs of monopoly. You need at least three independent manufacturers to compete.
      1. +3
        2 February 2024 10: 10
        The fact of the matter is that many people can do it, but they don’t want to move. Position: “We produce, we already have enough profit.” This is new production, new technology, we have to work. Unlike the USSR, enthusiasm is absent as a class. I don’t want to say that this didn’t happen in the USSR, but the general ideology inspired some part of the population to fight for an idea, to search for something new. There was an interest in creative work, where money is not the goal of life. Now, if it doesn’t bring me dividends, I won’t do it at work under any pretext, why would I have an extra headache for the same salary?
        1. +3
          2 February 2024 12: 58
          Quote: Ady66
          The fact of the matter is that many people can do it, but they don’t want to move. Position: “We produce, we already have enough profit.” This is new production, new technology, we have to work. Unlike the USSR, enthusiasm is absent as a class. I don’t want to say that this didn’t happen in the USSR, but the general ideology inspired some part of the population to fight for an idea, to search for something new. There was an interest in creative work, where money is not the goal of life. Now, if it doesn’t bring me dividends, I won’t do it at work under any pretext, why would I have an extra headache for the same salary?

          Where will the enthusiasm come from? After all, if things go well, the state will come and squeeze out business. Yandex was doing well, and now Kudrin is in charge of it all, as appointed by Putin. Therefore, it is better to have a bird in your hand than to look at a captured crane.
  9. +1
    2 February 2024 09: 36
    Very good stuff. We supply gas cheaply. They are already renting our lands. And all our joint projects involve raw materials. But the USSR at one time created the basis of the economy for them. The alliance with China is very dangerous. They need from us land that they consider theirs and a sales market. Whoever brought Chinese cars to us is not allowed into Europe or the USA. And nothing more. Maybe it’s better to finally develop our industry?
    1. +2
      2 February 2024 10: 46
      Well, yes, right now there is a glut of Chinese brands and AvtoVAZ will again be lagging behind. Before this, the cunning Europeans and Koreans, the Japanese were in the way, now the Chinese... We are waiting for the next subsidy to be asked to save the plant
      1. +8
        2 February 2024 12: 19
        Quote: Earth Walker
        Well, yes, right now there is a glut of Chinese brands and AvtoVAZ will again be lagging behind. Before that, the cunning Europeans and Koreans, the Japanese were in the way, now the Chinese...

        Damned place. © smile
    2. +4
      2 February 2024 12: 18
      Quote: Alexander Odintsov
      They need from us land that they consider theirs and a sales market.

      They don't need land. They need resources, preferably ones that have already been extracted, processed and delivered.
      And China already has enough land - only 94% of the population lives in the southeast and near the coast. In the northern regions of China, population density is minimal. And our land is even further north.
    3. +5
      2 February 2024 12: 28
      But the USSR at one time created the basis of the economy for them.
      They say thank you to the USSR, modern Russia, what does that have to do with it?
  10. +3
    2 February 2024 12: 40
    What mistakes do you learn from?

    Those that have consequences. And for the one who made the decision.
    The words “State”, “Russia”, “State Corporations” = no one.
    There are a number of people making decisions. For example, the Board of a corporation. Or the Supervisory Board. Or the Sole Executive Body. Those. a certain number of key decision makers.
    Until they take personal responsibility for making bad decisions, nothing will change.
    How about in private business? As an owner, you made the wrong decision = you punished yourself with money. Your hired manager made the wrong decision = he was held liable (for example, a fine, dismissal, or even a criminal offense), etc.
    In our state-owned large businesses (of which 80% of the business of the entire country consists) such as Gazprom, Rosneft, Sberbank, etc. no one is responsible for anything, it turns out. Personally, comrades Miller, Sechin, Gref and their analogues in other state offices are not in danger of anything. Even annual “bonuses” don’t cut it. Otherwise, they will quit, God forbid, just like Putin said when he was asked about the wild salaries of top managers of state companies...
  11. +3
    2 February 2024 18: 06
    How friendly is China to Russia?

    This is a "big secret for a small company":
    Customs officers in Russia detained containers from China with uniforms for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/65bc8e809a7947e852f323e7?from=copy
    1. Alf
      +3
      2 February 2024 20: 09
      Quote: 16112014nk
      How friendly is China to Russia?

      This is a "big secret for a small company":
      Customs officers in Russia detained containers from China with uniforms for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/65bc8e809a7947e852f323e7?from=copy

      This is different. They said this directly.
      Secret supplies of uniforms for the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), which were carried out by some commercial organizations of China through the territory of the Russian Federation, will not affect relations with the PRC in any way. State Duma deputy Alexey Chepa announced this on February 2.

      The parliamentarian admitted that Chinese companies can indeed provide more significant supplies to the Armed Forces of Ukraine than military uniforms.

      “Maybe commercial services supply something else. Must watch. Naturally, they cannot supply the drones themselves, but, for example, spare parts for them, yes,” Chepa suggested.

      China is our friend, even write in our eyes...
      1. +1
        2 February 2024 21: 04
        Absolutely right, I wrote about the same thing today...
  12. 0
    3 February 2024 21: 18
    The state must create conditions for business development, and accordingly, through this, develop many sectors of domestic production and the introduction of new technologies. And don’t try to make “frying pans” at military-industrial complex factories. This is now happening with varying degrees of success. On the one hand, there is less bureaucracy, IT services have reached a new level, infrastructure and services have begun to appear both from public and private companies (thanks also to government assistance), and the availability of information and training. But also problems: high interest rates on loans, corruption, lack of competence of people in government agencies (this is not the State Duma, but people at the local level: from the tax office to the State Administration, etc.). But the state obviously won’t force anyone to produce anything. And judging by the comments, many THEMSELVES have also never done anything and will not do anything more or less “adult”. Everything else: China will take over, but in the USSR it was..., 2nm in the USA, etc. it's just a profanation.
  13. 0
    6 February 2024 09: 47
    V Ruské federaci chybí kvalifikované pracovní síly, hlavně dělnických profesí a ekonomika je administrativně náročná. Dálný východ stále obsazují nelegálně příchozí Číňané. Čína rabuje na Dálném východě dřevo. Putin nad tím zavírá oči.
  14. 0
    7 February 2024 22: 41
    Here many people write about expensive loans, they make me laugh, people have been waiting for more than 30 years for industry to appear - mechanical engineering, etc. Yes, miracle businessmen have never been able and will not be able to create it even with affordable loans in a hundred years. All this is nonsense, it was hard for the Union, but you can use affordable loans, we have been waiting for this song for 30 years! It’s time for the state to take heavy machinery and medium-sized mechanical engineering into its own hands, small businesses please, the rest is nonsense about affordable credit, create a maximum of small-scale production with spare parts from China and that’s all. You take out loans from the people and don’t worry about being kings)) but what about the people’s interest rate at the level of inflation? No, it won't work that way. Pay a decent margin as a partner for money that is not yours and don’t whine, such companies are of zero use in mechanical engineering. People should also receive a decent percentage at the level of a co-owner, otherwise, no matter how you look at it, give me an affordable loan and I’ll move mountains for you)) yeah, you make your own machines first. Otherwise they will bring in imports and cut money. All this is from the realm of fantasy.