Serbian press: Croatia will modernize a batch of Kuwaiti M-84AV tanks for subsequent transfer to Ukraine

Interesting information appeared in the Serbian press; according to the publication of TV Front, Kuwait is preparing to transfer a large shipment to Ukraine tanks M-84AV from having its own army. We are talking about a licensed version of the Soviet T-72 tank, produced in Yugoslavia.

According to the publication, the Kuwaiti authorities plan to transfer more than a hundred M-84AV tanks to Croatia, which will modernize them, and only then transport them to Ukraine. The plant where the equipment will be modernized has already been determined - this is an enterprise that is part of the Đuro Đaković (Djuro Djaković) holding, which during Yugoslav times produced licensed copies of Soviet tanks. By the way, the transfer of tanks to Croatia has already begun, the first six M-84AVs have already been delivered to the country, trailers with tanks were spotted on January 25 in Barje in Slovenia, moving towards Croatia.

Details of the modernization of the Yugoslav version of the T-72 for Ukraine, as well as the delivery time of the tanks, have not been reported. Presumably, for the fulfillment of this contract, Croatia may receive 25 former Swiss Leopard 2A4 tanks, removed from the storage of the German concern Rheinmetall and allowed for transfer to countries not participating in hostilities.

Meanwhile, as the blog bmpd reports with reference to the Serbian publication, Croatia transferred two An-32B transport aircraft to Ukraine; they have already been transferred to one of the Ukrainian airfields in its western part. It is reported that Croatia acquired these aircraft in 1995, and in 2014 they removed them from service and sent them to storage.

Comments

[Nexcom]

Here... I reported this before, but they didn’t believe me. Like the press is busy chattering.....

[Lev_Russia]

Prolongation of the agony of the Ukrainian Reich and new victims... Still, he is doomed to defeat...

[Nexcom]

Yes exactly. But all these supplied weapons fire and can take the lives of our guys.
Unfortunately. And the lard rats, driven into a corner, will butt to the last...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

But all these supplied weapons fire and can take the lives of our guys.

...and all this is not on the conscience of the Croats and other ghouls who stuff Banderland with weapons...but on the conscience of our wise command...who, with the stubbornness of a donkey, does not want to destroy the transport system of Banderland, which is why this death appears on the front end... .it would have all ended a long time ago

[tralflot1832]

Kuwait has a fresh T90S in its arsenal. The news about the Yugoslav tank is somewhat muddy.

[Nexcom]

Why should they give the fresh food to the kakelas? Andrey

[tralflot1832]

Dmitry. Why would Kuwait give Yugoslav tanks to the kakels when they have Russian T90S in service and don’t need to service them? We’ll see.

[Kosh]

They don’t have the T-90S, the contract fell through due to American pressure.

[tralflot1832]

Quote: Kosh

They don’t have the T-90S, the contract fell through due to American pressure.

I’m sorry, definitely not, but they have about 200 BMP3s, the contract was completed in 2015.

[75 Sergey]

With our own fat - this is about the issue of selling horse-drawn weapons and licenses for their production.
And most importantly, airfields in Ukraine operate as expected.
By the way, does anyone know what happened to the Ruslan An-124, which Canada stole from the Volga-Don?

Well, let’s push the limits a little more, we’ll get +100 tanks in Ukraine only from Kuwait, Hussein didn’t crush them in his time.

[tralflot1832]

You would also ask what happened to the logistics center near Dresden of the Volgo-Dnepr company, by the way, also a Russian private asset that was arrested.

[Tim666]

Quote: 75Sergey

With our own fat - this is about the issue of selling horse-drawn weapons and licenses for their production.
And most importantly, airfields in Ukraine operate as expected.
By the way, does anyone know what happened to the Ruslan An-124, which Canada stole from the Volga-Don?

Well, let’s push the limits a little more, we’ll get +100 tanks in Ukraine only from Kuwait, Hussein didn’t crush them in his time.

His pressure is not strong enough, but for the fact that Kuwait has armed itself, we need to say special thanks to him.

[Soldatov V.]

This is a lesson for us. We are chasing money and our own weapons will be used against us. Let them buy at three times the price from the West the weapons that we are destroying, if not just once, but definitely twice.

[Tatyana]

Quote: V.

This is a lesson for us. We are chasing money and our own weapons will be used against us.

I have written about this so many times before that our domestic weapons, thoughtlessly or mistakenly sold to other countries, will turn into weapons in the war with the enemies of Russia against ourselves - against Russia!
Basically, for this, I received nothing but disadvantages from pro-Western liberals of the monetarist persuasion (in the sense of everything Russian for sale!) on this forum!

And practice has shown that I was right!
This is to be expected!

[Soldatov V.]

Don’t worry, the downside is not losing a cow, but they will suffer from their poison.
Take care of yourself, the truth always wins.

[Tatyana]

I don't worry about the downsides. I worry about political myopia on the verge of elementary betrayal of Russia’s national security on the part of a large number of philistine compatriots whose pursuit of profit from sales overshadows their reason in matters of their own security in their own country.

[antivirus]

Are there any liberals here? Who are they? It's interesting to look at their biased comments.
Name

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I worry about political myopia on the verge of elementary betrayal of Russia’s national security

...nonsense...everything that is now being fed to the junta...this is all Soviet heritage, not fresh, and therefore ineffective...and Russian weapons sold directly have one detail that does not allow them to be resold...for example T- 90 will not be able to resell due to a contract for servicing sold tanks by Russian specialists, just like all armored vehicles... that is, by reselling the new owner obviously just gets scrap metal... air defense systems have restrictions on targeting frequencies (the exception is post-Soviet systems), .. and the rest has a huge number of clones, even without any licenses... we need to worry not about this, but about the stupidity of our command, which, according to all the rules of warfare, was simply obliged to destroy the transport system... but this was never done... so where is the enemy

[AndreyKam_Z]

I have written about this so many times before that our domestic weapons, thoughtlessly or mistakenly sold to other countries, will turn into weapons in the war with the enemies of Russia against ourselves - against Russia!
Basically, for this, I received nothing but disadvantages from pro-Western liberals of the monetarist persuasion (in the sense of everything Russian for sale!) on this forum!

Downvoted because you write nonsense.
Let's not sell anything!
Armament because it turns against us.
Gas, oil, metals because they are used to make weapons against us.
Fertilizers and grain because we feed those who are against us.
But we want everything in stores to be cheap.

[Tatyana]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

Downvoted because you write nonsense.
Let's not sell anything!
Armament because it turns against us.
Gas, oil, metals because they are used to make weapons against us.
Fertilizers and grain because we feed those who are against us.
But we want everything in stores to be cheap.

This is precisely your LIBERAL approach to understanding the protection of national interests and the security of Russia's SOVEREIGNTY!
I repeat that we are not talking about the indiscriminate absence of Russian sales of anything to other countries at all! And we are talking about the selectivity of this process on the part of Russia - to whom to sell what, how and when! This leads to the poverty or wealth of the citizens of Russia itself! And we are now convinced of this by the decline in the competitiveness of Western countries in the same Europe, which has adopted the course of following Washington on the issue of trade and economic sanctions against Russia. Namely.

Firstly. I would like to note that the motivational program for the behavior of citizens is laid down through IDEOLOGY and IN PRACTICE, in fact, no one has canceled it.
And secondly. Ideological education in the Russian Federation has long since turned sour. The bourgeois ideology of the American economist M. Friedman, dominating in the country, is no longer called “bourgeois”, but is called abstractly class-based simply “market” with elements of the so-called. "monetarism" (i.e. bourgeois pursuit of financial profits).
In this case, you can not equalize the concept of real capitalism with all its flaws with the doctrinaire idea of ​​the American Milton Friedman, set out in his book "Capitalism and Freedom", in the form of some kind of speculative social project, brought to life, to build a supposedly ideally fair capitalism on Earth all over the world. Due to what?
Due to the alleged existence in the world of some anarchist absolutely "free" from everyone and every world market, which is supposedly absolutely "clean" from profanities and dishonesty both on the part of the participants in the capital market, goods (services) and labor, and from pressure on them a nation state. And at the same time, Friedman naively assumes that all market participants free from the state are initially at all times equal in their life start and can always become rich if they just want it. This is pure utopia and bluff!
Behind this attempt by Friedman to whitewash capitalism lies a very definite goal taken by Washington's apologists. Namely.
The purpose of this American bluff is to make the sovereign countries "indigenous" for the United States, uncontrollably and duty-free by their governments, mistakenly, free and defenseless from competition, open access for US multinational companies to their domestic markets for the sale of foreign goods and the purchase of "indigenous" wealth by foreigners , enterprises and natural resources.
In this case, the reduction of native state property to the maximum - to "0" - is promoted by the "market people" exclusively as a public good. For the state supposedly does not need to control anything, there is no need to punish anyone, and there is no need to regulate trade and production either. That at the same time all members of society will become such honest and law-abiding entrepreneurs that therefore it will no longer be necessary to protect the population from swindlers, thieves, robbers and murderers. AND therefore, the alleged national state, as an anachronism, will disappear by itself as unnecessary, and there is no need to defend it at all. For the distribution of material goods “from above” at the state level will not be required, since everything will be regulated by this “ideal” capitalist market. Well, those who do not fit into the market are their problems. Let them, they say, survive on their own as best they can. These include in particular all so-called “extra” people: pensioners, disabled people, children, etc. - all those who “did not fit into the market.” But they should be “happy” with their freedom from the fattening abstract bureaucratic state that has been pressing over them for centuries, just as anarchists have always dreamed of this for centuries.

TOTAL All this Milton Friedman ideology about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market is an anarchist propaganda of the American establishment to decompose the national security of sovereign states to their complete liquidation and subordination of their resources in favor of US transnational companies.
Unfortunately, this ideology has been unofficially adopted by the Russian ruling elite as a state ideology. It is implemented in practice by the government of the Russian Federation, the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in the State Duma and the Federation Council. And the HSE is the forge of bourgeois young cadres in this comprador economy and its apologists.
And so far, in this liberal-ideological sense, nothing has changed in the educational system of the country in the Russian Federation.

[AndreyKam_Z]

This is precisely your LIBERAL approach to understanding

I didn’t even read further, you are one of those people who see the world in black and white, but that’s not even bad. The bad thing is that you immediately, if someone else’s opinion even slightly fits into your ideological framework, hang a label and then start dancing with a tambourine.
You don’t even want to explain anything about the difference in legal understanding between Soviet and Russian weapons.

[Tatyana]

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

I didn’t even read further, you are one of those people who see the world in black and white, but that’s not even bad. The bad thing is that you immediately, if someone else’s opinion even slightly fits into your ideological framework, hang a label and then start dancing with a tambourine.

And this is written by a person who has not even read the opponent’s opinion, without reading the entire comment!
And why are you, as a convinced liberal “marketeer” of the Gaidar-Chubais-Kudrin monetarist school in Russia, offended by my truth? By the way, also hanging on me their ideological liberal labels with tambourines!

[Arkadich]

The person correctly told you to stop labeling.
Why did you sign him up as a liberal?
Why did you record it?

whereas a convinced liberal “marketeer” of the Gaidar-Chubais-Kudrin monetarist school in Russia

This is not how dialogues are conducted, this is how they throw dirt.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Arkadich

Why did you sign him up as a liberal?

Since he categorically avoids the desire to understand what the dominant liberal ideology in Russia is, which determines the internal and external economic situation of the population in our country.

Quote: AndreyKam_Z

I didn’t even read further, you are one of those people who see the world in black and white, but that’s not even bad. The bad thing is that you immediately, if someone else’s opinion even slightly fits into your ideological framework, hang a label and then start dancing with a tambourine.

Where did you see his dialogue here - according to his “market” beliefs? This is his complete refusal, and with his tambourines addressed to me!

[Arkadich]

that he categorically avoids the desire to understand what the dominant liberal ideology in Russia is,

How did you determine that he was categorically leaving based on one comment?

Where did you see his dialogue here - according to his “market” beliefs? He completely refuses with his tambourines addressed to me!

That is, in the first words, label a person, and then not understand why he doesn’t want to talk.
A very appropriate answer.

[AndreyKam_Z]

Thank you, I didn’t expect to meet an adequate and not lazy person on this forum.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

You don’t even want to explain anything about the difference in legal understanding between Soviet and Russian weapons.

...housewives don’t care whether it’s hit or miss... well, there’s really no point in explaining to them further

[AndreyKam_Z]

..housewives don’t care whether it’s hit or miss... well, there’s really no point in explaining to them further

[rotmistr60]

With tanks for Kyiv, it’s natural solitaire - they move back and forth until they get to Ukraine. And everyone still, of course, wants to get something out of it.

For the fulfillment of this contract, Croatia can receive 25 former Swiss Leopard 2A4 tanks removed from storage

[Soldatov V.]

Changing a T-72 for a Leopard 2A4 is like trading a watch for panties. Let them change it. For a long time the fool will have a crystal member from the storage bases.

[Graz]

Well, there are a lot of questions about the condition of the tanks from Kuwait, what kind of modernization they were shown, and how long it will take to do it, it may turn out that they will bring this batch to the standard in three years

[75 Sergey]

Or they will just repaint it and send it.

[Peter1First]

Well, I’ll assume that the modernization will be “budgetary” - they’re not doing it for themselves! It is unlikely that they will change the engine, they are unlikely to install tiles, but they will most likely install the Western control system...

[Al manah]

Do you think the SVO will end sooner?

[Thumbs]

The supply of Ukrobandera continues and there is no end in sight. Therefore, it is necessary to cut these blood vessels, which feeds this terrorist regime at 404. Only the Guarantor knows why logistics and energy are not destroyed.

[Tim]

Dear, your words are in the ears of our country’s leadership and the Moscow Region, and soon the SVO has been going on for 2 years!

[opuonmed]

tanks are handing over weapons, and most importantly, none of them are afraid of the Russian response for this! Why ?

[rosomaha]

I have a question - why do we find out about this after the fact... from the media... WHERE is our intelligence, which would have established this fact at the stage of first thoughts and negotiations.
Perhaps they will tell me - why do you need and who are you... to know this... and other information too.... but I get the impression that we do not have external human intelligence in the military and structures close to them in countries conducting indirect relations with us war. Information about traffic routes and shipments of weapons to Ukraine even before their official presentation. Sabotage on roads under the name of strikes... damage to military property... severe incidents at hubs (fire, shooting) - allegedly protests of local and anti-fascists sympathizing with the Russian Federation

[raban]

Business comes first...
And by the way, the M84s were quite good in their time, the armor was made differently than in the T-72, with all the positive consequences for mobility and agility, and the ability to retain fire. power... And the sighting devices were better than Soviet ones.
True, a new time has come, new tactics, but such a BBS cannot be underestimated.

[Tim]

[/quote]M-84A - modernized M-84 with a V-46-6TK (V46-TK) engine with a power of 1000 hp. s., equipped with two turbochargers and an intercooler instead of a monitoring station. To make room for this in the MTO, it was necessary to remove the first stage of air purification from the armored hull of the tank in place of the 4th fender TB (similar to the T-62M-1). Produced from 1988 to 1991.
M-84AB - modernization of the M-84A with the installation of a new SUV-M-84 fire control system, is in service with the Kuwaiti army.[quote]

The engine is much more powerful with all the attendant advantages!

[raban]

I completely agree, and if we know that there is a forced version of this engine with a power of 1200 hp, the conclusion does not need to be announced...
But Yugoslav armor, much lighter than Soviet armor, which is the ancestor of Chobham, also does not impede mobility, while maintaining the level of protection.

[Luenkov]

Quote from: Peter1First

Well, I’ll assume that the modernization will be “budgetary” - they’re not doing it for themselves! It is unlikely that they will change the engine, they are unlikely to install tiles, but they will most likely install the Western control system...

They will decorate it with ceramics and install a toilet.