The end of the Chinese miracle

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The end of the Chinese miracle


Economy on the brink


Negative signs of economic catastrophe are accumulating in the Celestial Empire. 2023 has been a bad year for China's real estate sector. Thus, the number of new construction projects has fallen by 59% since the beginning of 2021. Property investment fell 9,6% in 2023, and 89% of Chinese cities recorded price declines in December.



Deflation in China in 2023 is another indirect sign of the onset of a crisis. It fell to the levels of 1999 and 2009. The previous two years of deflation were times of severe crisis - in 1999 (the collapse of Asian economies in 1997-1999) and in 2009 (global recession).

The total volume of loans in the non-financial sector of China at the end of the second quarter of 2022 reached 51,8 trillion US dollars, Kommersant reports, citing data from the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). The debt level is almost three times the country's GDP (295%) and is the highest for China since 1995.

Chinese shares in Hong Kong fell to their lowest level in 19 years amid a lack of new economic stimulus and market support measures. Chinese tech giants are experiencing the biggest decline.

Chinese authorities are mulling a plan to rescue the collapsing stock market. One proposal is to pour 2 trillion yuan (about $270 billion) into it from the treasury. This means a continuation of the course towards nationalization of the economy, since the purchased shares will be in state ownership.

Trade relations between Europe, the US and China are deteriorating. And for the Chinese these are the main and most profitable markets. In 2023 decreased China is both exporting and importing at the same time. Chinese exports last year decreased by 4,6%, amounting to 3,4 trillion US dollars, imports - by 5,5%, to 2,6 trillion. Such data was presented by the General Administration of Customs of the People's Republic of China. This was the first decline in exports since 2016. China's trade surplus also decreased by 6,2%, amounting to $823,2 billion.

China's trade turnover with the United States decreased by 11,6% over the year, with exports decreasing by 13,1% and imports by 6,8%. In the case of the EU, trade turnover decreased by 7,1%, exports by 10,2%, imports by 0,9%. The only country with which China’s trade turnover has increased significantly in 2023 is Russia.

The world's factory is being moved to India


China has developed for decades using the cheap labor of the impoverished peasantry. Plus Western investment and technology with the goal of turning China into a global factory. The collective West then relied on Red China to counterbalance the USSR.

However, these sources have now been exhausted. The peasantry has become the Chinese middle class and city dwellers who do not want to have children, having tasted the delights of life in a consumer society. The average salary is higher than in Russia. Now it is more profitable for the West to invest in the development of its neighbors - Vietnam, Bangladesh, India and Pakistan. Everything is fine there with cheap and relatively qualified labor. The US is investing in neighboring Mexico.

On the other hand, the collective West, led by the United States, needs to put down its rapidly developing competitor. Therefore, the West has sharply reduced investment in China, there is an exodus of foreign capital from the Middle Kingdom, and access to advanced technologies is being limited. And not only the West. Thus, Taiwan is rapidly leaving China. Taiwanese firms are increasing investments in the US and Europe to reduce dependence on China. China absorbed only 2023% of Taiwan's outward investment flows in 11, down from 34% in 2022.

The idea of ​​creating a new global factory based on former British India - India, Pakistan and Bangladesh - was also voiced. Advantages: integration of the local elite into the Western (British); cheap labor; good level of education in India, qualified public.

The crisis of capitalism and war


In general, the Celestial Empire with its Communist Party and market economy (capitalist with a strong public sector) found itself in a classic crisis of capitalism. It is impossible to grow further on the basis of loans.

China has growth: in 2023, the economy grew quite well by 5%. True, it is possible that the Chinese are playing with statistics. Then the situation is even worse. And for an economy that is burdened with a huge debt, this is at least stagnation, or, in a bad scenario, degradation. That is, either China will repeat the scenario of Japan, which has been in economic stagnation for more than 1990 years since the early 30s, and other “Asian tigers.” Or we will see a sharp degradation, with the threat of unrest and collapse. When the more developed coastal provinces will dump ballast in the form of the less economically developed inland provinces.

Naturally, in such conditions, the military scenario of a “small victorious war” quite suggests itself. This is a classic of capitalism. The war will clear out debts, restart the economy through the military-industrial complex, and it is also possible to create a yuan zone by shifting debts to allies and neighbors.

The USA went through such a crisis and war, became a superpower (Origins of World War II: USA vs. All). The Great Depression, the organization of the World War. Pumping up the military-industrial complex. The dollar as a world currency.

The problem is that the owners of the collective West are fully calculating this scenario and are even pushing the Celestial Empire towards it. The United States has long prepared a number of conflict zones - Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula, disputed islands, and a number of border disputes. The United States also has its own proxy satellites, such as Taiwan, the Philippines, Japan, and South Korea. Other neighbors of China, such as Vietnam and India, also do not want to be part of the sphere of influence of a potential Chinese superpower.

And China needs a clear victory with an obvious result. That's why Beijing is hesitant. But in any case, the situation is still developing for China according to an extremely unfavorable scenario.

The economic collapse of the PRC also threatens Russia with big troubles.
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  1. +1
    2 February 2024 03: 58
    "The end of the Chinese miracle" -

    ***
    - Yes, the Chinese will “get weird”...
    ***
    1. +7
      2 February 2024 09: 43
      belay Of course, they’ll get weird. Together with our installers of nameplates on everything and everything we have from China Yes
      1. +16
        2 February 2024 19: 51
        The end of the Chinese miracle

        Wasn’t it the American vanguers who predicted this?
        India instead of China? Is there such a hard work ethic in India as in China?
        Here students from India study nearby at the Medical Academy, and traders from the Chinese market speak better Russian than these “listeners”...
        I do not believe!
        The end of American hegemony will come sooner...
        And besides, caste differences in India hang like a dead weight on the progress of this country.
        1. +8
          3 February 2024 14: 48
          Order. The mattress ears are clearly sticking out because of the article. Rough work.
          1. +2
            3 February 2024 17: 07
            Quote: Captive
            The mattress ears are clearly sticking out because of the article.

            This is true. I have an immodest question for the author: What debt does the States have??? And who owes whom: China to the States or is it the other way around? And what will happen if the whales foolishly demand to return the favor to them? But this does not bother the author at all.
            After. The idea is clear that there is a way out of the crisis - a small, victorious war... Classic. But for some reason she is trying on the Hongfuzes. But the Yankees are again white and fluffy...
            The right idea: it is quite possible to get out of your ass by forcing the military-industrial complex! In this regard, both China and the United States were late to start: our defense industry is gaining momentum, while the entire industry is not being transferred to a military footing. And this is wise, because there is no unnecessary narrowing of the civilian sector, but rather the introduction of advanced military and dual technologies into the civilian sector of the economy.
            Therefore, when reading an article, you should sometimes turn on your brain and look around: how are we doing with this?
            IMHO.
            1. 0
              9 February 2024 05: 57
              What debt does the States have??? And who owes whom: China to the States or is it the other way around?

              Many people know that the debt of staff members exceeded 30 lard, but there are a lot of misconceptions about how the debt is distributed.
              First of all, the largest holders of debt are funds (including pensions), banks and other financial institutions in the United States itself. Of the foreign debt holders, Japan is the largest. China is in second place with 860 billion, which is only 2,6%, and China's share has been declining in recent years.
          2. +9
            4 February 2024 11: 41
            Quote: Captive
            The mattress ears are clearly sticking out because of the article.

            The news is simply heartbreaking.
            First, "States are all!" .
            Then “Mercedes is done!” .
            Now "China is everything!" ?
            But we are "...the fifth economy in the world, ahead of Germany."
            Right here MATTRESS Are your ears sticking out?
        2. 0
          6 February 2024 02: 39
          Quote: ROSS 42
          The end of American hegemony will come sooner...

          Definitely!!! And inevitably!!!
      2. -1
        4 February 2024 16: 15
        And people buy from the Chinese automobile industry. What are they counting on? We live one day at a time.
        1. +1
          6 February 2024 01: 03
          After all, we were taught in childhood: “Never take someone else’s!”
          But it turns out this also applies to other people’s cars, airplanes, and Mistrals.
  2. +7
    2 February 2024 04: 00
    Well, I don’t know, taking into account the fact that China still has to develop and develop the domestic market, the forecast already looks so-so... And taking into account the fact that the social economy can dump heavily, then it’s a transfer, just not a transfer, because China will not return anything to the “investors”, and building anew may fail.
    1. +22
      2 February 2024 04: 31
      We must listen to Uncle Xi, who said that China will diversify its economy - on the one hand, it will continue to be present in the previous markets in the EU and the USA, and at the same time develop its presence in the markets of Latin America, Asia and Africa, and on the other hand, it will make a bet for domestic consumption through increasing the income of the population and therefore creating the need for a better quality of life....
      1. -7
        2 February 2024 04: 54
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        and on the other hand, a focus will be placed on domestic consumption through increasing the income of the population and, therefore, creating the need for a better quality of life....

        Well, two smart people, me and Uncle Xiu, by the way, who is this? laughing
        1. 0
          2 February 2024 19: 44
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Well, two smart people, me and Uncle Xiu, by the way, who is this?

          Reminded:
      2. +6
        3 February 2024 17: 17
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        We need to listen to Uncle Si...

        Rather, the great Helmsman, Comrade. SI!!!
        And I fully agree with everything else. You are absolutely right: China’s economic expansion around the world (Africa, LA, BV, Oceania) is not meant to collapse in crisis convulsions. And the one and a half billion domestic market is a black hole of consumption! And Europe will not really give up the factory products of Chinese light industry. By the way, 80-90% of Americans use high-quality consumer goods from the Middle Kingdom.
        Therefore, if I were Messire Samsonov, I would not rush to conclusions. And for your post - a HUGE PLUS!
        hi
    2. -10
      2 February 2024 08: 47
      Well, I don’t know, taking into account the fact that China still has to develop and develop the domestic market, the forecast already looks so-so... And taking into account the fact that the social economy can dump heavily, then it’s a transfer, just not a transfer, because China will not return anything to the “investors”, and building anew may fail.

      The domestic market is nothing. The money is circulating, the numbers seem to be growing, but the output is zilch.
      This is how to introduce money relationships within a family. Dad gave money to his daughter for cleaning the floors, and the daughter bought candy from her brother, which her mother sold to him for good studies. laughing
      In numbers, the turnover is large, but in reality everything is based on the salaries of dad and mom.

      A country grows richer when it trades abroad, and at a profit. Well, or rob... wink
      1. +8
        2 February 2024 08: 54
        Quote: Arzt
        A country grows richer when it trades abroad, and at a profit. Well, or rob...

        Let's just say that the pre- and post-war experience of the USSR very much contradicts your words. I don’t even know (I know) who to believe more. )))
        Although, if by “the country is getting richer” you mean individual gentlemen with dollars! accounts, then of course...
        1. +2
          2 February 2024 09: 46
          Let's just say that the pre- and post-war experience of the USSR very much contradicts your words. I don’t even know (I know) who to believe more. )))
          Although, if by “the country is getting richer” you mean individual gentlemen with dollars! accounts, then of course...

          What experience? Grain exports? Doesn't contradict at all. 5 million tons each in 1930 and 1931, when the people began to die out, they reduced it to 1,7, in 1934 it was generally 0,7. They were taken out even during the hungry years of 1946-47. Where do you get the currency from? The peasants of the village of Kukuevo? wink

          I agree with the gentlemen, but these are already questions of internal distribution.
          Intrafamily. laughing

          - Dad, the prices for vodka have been raised, will you drink less now?
          - No, children, you will eat less now!
          1. +2
            2 February 2024 10: 22
            Quote: Arzt
            What experience? Grain exports? Doesn't contradict at all. 5 million tons each in 1930 and 1931, when the people began to die out - reduced to 1,7

            No, the pre-war period is 35-41. And so, of course, atas... Write about “the country is getting richer” from exports, and then “the little people will die out.” And the export was forced, not at all for the “enrichment of the country” and the famine was not at all due to exports.

            Quote: Arzt
            They were taken out even during the hungry years of 1946-47.
            Where were they taken? To Poland, East. Germany and other Czechoslovakia? What kind of currency do they make???
            Yes, the USSR needed currency, but not to “get rich,” but for factories and technology, years before 70. And now they have already allowed people to get rich, and along the way, they often “sell” weapons and equipment to who knows who for dates.

            Quote: Arzt
            - Dad, the prices for vodka have been raised, will you drink less now?
            - No, children, you will eat less now!
            What does this sad joke have to do with it? Before 85, it was not relevant at all.
            1. 0
              2 February 2024 10: 44
              No, the pre-war period is 35-41. And so, of course, atas... Write about “the country is getting richer” from exports, and then “the little people will die out.” And the export was forced, not at all for the “enrichment of the country” and the famine was not at all due to exports.

              Export is always “forced”. If you want to buy something, give me money; if you want money, sell something, and for this, do something. Spinning within the country is like playing cards for money within the family. You still run outside to the store for bread.
              Enrichment is all together. And the Dneproges and earrings in the ears.
              I don’t even want to start about hunger. The archives have been open for a long time.

              Where were they taken? To Poland, East. Germany and other Czechoslovakia? What kind of currency do they make???
              Yes, the USSR needed currency, but not to “get rich,” but for factories and technology, years before 70. And now they have already allowed people to get rich, and along the way, they often “sell” weapons and equipment to who knows who for dates.

              Regular currency. Until 1937, they were converted through the franc, then through the dollar. Factories and technologies mean getting rich.
              1. 0
                2 February 2024 11: 14
                Quote: Arzt
                Export is always “forced”. If you want to buy something, give me money; if you want money, sell something, and for this, do something. Spinning within the country is like playing cards for money within the family. You still run outside to the store for bread.
                The economy of a huge country is a little more complicated than the family in the joke about “money in the nightstand.” And in a normally developing country, provided with all resources, there is no need to run to the store/outside the border for goods of vital/strategic necessity. But in principle, you can go for bananas.

                Quote: Arzt
                Enrichment is all together. And the Dneproges and earrings in the ears.
                No, the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station allowed, roughly speaking, the construction of the Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant, and only then the earrings...

                Quote: Arzt
                I don’t even want to start about hunger. The archives have been open for a long time.
                Are there fairy tales about the fact that it was grain exports that led to famine, and not a malicious disruption of the sowing season in Ukraine in combination with other natural factors?

                Quote: Arzt
                Regular currency. Until 1937, they were converted through the franc, then through the dollar.
                It’s stupidity, don’t write, who would exchange dollars for marks, zlotys and dumplings))) after ’45?

                Quote: Arzt
                Factories and technologies mean getting rich.
                No, if there are no factories that provide the country with protection, vital goods and new factories. The USSR actually did not have them until 35.
                And technology, of course, allows us to avoid technical stagnation, but the internal development of the country allows us to avoid it even more.
                1. -4
                  2 February 2024 12: 12
                  The economy of a huge country is a little more complicated than the family in the joke about “money in the nightstand.” And in a normally developing country, provided with all resources, there is no need to run to the store/outside the border for goods of vital/strategic necessity. But in principle, you can go for bananas.

                  Well, imagine that our country is completely isolated. Take a look around. Do you see many items made here?
                2. -2
                  2 February 2024 12: 19
                  No, the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station allowed, roughly speaking, the construction of the Obninsk Nuclear Power Plant, and only then the earrings...

                  It doesn’t matter what first or what later. It is important that you still need CURRENCY. That is, FOREIGN trade
                3. +4
                  2 February 2024 12: 24
                  Are there fairy tales about the fact that it was grain exports that led to famine, and not a malicious disruption of the sowing season in Ukraine in combination with other natural factors?

                  Certainly. Here Comrade Stalin scolds his fellow countrymen. More precisely, he excuses himself. Like Georgians are not your thing. laughing

                  Stalin to Kaganovich
                  17.08.1931

                  Hello, Comrade Kaganovich!
                  .......
                  6) Now it is clear to me that Kartvelishvili and Gruztsek’s secretariat, with their reckless “grain procurement policy,” brought a number of regions of Western Georgia to famine. They do not understand that the Ukrainian methods of grain procurement, which are necessary and expedient in grain-producing regions, are inappropriate and harmful in non-grain regions, which also do not have any industrial proletariat. Hundreds of people are being arrested, including party members who clearly sympathize with the dissatisfied and do not sympathize with the “policy” of the Georgian Central Committee. But arrests won't get you far. We need to strengthen (accelerate!) the supply of bread now, without delay. Without this, we can have grain riots, despite the fact that the grain problem has already been resolved in our country. Let the PB immediately upon receipt of this letter oblige Mikoyan to strengthen the supply of grain to Western Georgia and personally monitor implementation. Otherwise, we will probably create a political scandal.
                  1. -2
                    2 February 2024 15: 48
                    Quote: Arzt
                    Well, imagine that our country is completely isolated. Take a look around. Do you see many items made here?

                    As I see it, you still don’t want to pay attention to the fact that “now” is far from “then”. 1941 and 1971... And 2024, when you can’t count your own planes, and even your own televisions...

                    Quote: Arzt
                    It doesn’t matter what first or what later. It is important that you still need CURRENCY. That is, FOREIGN trade
                    Firstly, it is possible without currency, by exchanging goods between sovereign countries, of course, and you certainly don’t need so much currency when air, auto and electronic production is your own. Secondly, the difference is very big. The currency was forced to be spent on the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station, because there was no industrial base in the USSR. but for the conditional nuclear power plant, currency was no longer needed, because the industrial base already existed. And that’s it, you don’t have to drive grain and oil over the hill, but raise livestock for meat and give cheap gasoline to gas stations. And develop petrochemicals. Because there were no chemical utensils in the country to teach students, imagine where the money had to be spent on “richness.”

                    Quote: Arzt
                    Certainly. Here Comrade Stalin scolds his fellow countrymen. More precisely, he excuses himself. Like Georgians are not your thing.
                    It’s just that at first the Selyuks were forced to go to sowing time, but no one canceled the plan for compulsory grain delivery, the region is black-grained... So this is still a good reaction.
      2. +2
        2 February 2024 09: 48
        So she trades beyond the border. And she often robs. In the sense, she takes control of production that finds itself virtually without management. Name the country?
        1. +3
          2 February 2024 10: 17
          So she trades beyond the border. And she often robs. In the sense, she takes control of production that finds itself virtually without management. Name the country?

          Exactly! And there is not just one country, but the entire West. The technology has been perfected since the times of the Roman Empire, roughly polished by the Vikings, finely refined by the plunder of the Incas and finally verified by the Indian Company.

          Any action, be it war or trade, must pay off. Ideally, make a profit. And if you rely on ideology, for example, stupidly try to make the world working class happy at the expense of one country, you are guaranteed to be left with nothing! Yes
      3. +3
        3 February 2024 12: 54
        Quote: Arzt
        A country grows richer when it trades abroad, and at a profit. Well, or rob...

        Now think about it...
        There are no separate states on Earth - in the end, the entire Earth is an internal market, as world corporations want. Which foreign country will we trade with or who will we rob?! laughing laughing laughing

        So the domestic market does not mean bad. It all depends on who this domestic market is aimed at.
        1. -1
          3 February 2024 13: 28
          Now think about it...
          There are no separate states on Earth - in the end, the entire Earth is an internal market, as world corporations want. Which foreign country will we trade with or who will we rob?! laughing laughing laughing

          So the domestic market does not mean bad. It all depends on who this domestic market is aimed at.


          So the domestic market does not mean bad. It all depends on who this domestic market is aimed at. [/quote]. Yes
          Wow. This is already the approach of a sociologist.

          Let's take a minimal sociological group: you and me.
          I'm an alcoholic, you're a moonshiner. I work somehow until lunch, and after lunch I come to you for a bottle. I'm a drunkard, you're getting rich.

          Let's go higher. A family of moonshiners versus a group of street drunks.
          The money goes to the family, they develop production, build a new house, teach children.

          The Kristall plant against the drunks of Moscow and the region.

          Moscow against the regions.

          And finally, states. China vs USA.
          The Chinese have been pumping out a trillion from America in 3 years over the past 20 years.
          But Trump came and put an end to it. This is China's problem. Yes
    3. 0
      3 February 2024 01: 53
      To develop the domestic market, a huge layer of people is needed who will buy goods and services with high added value, which means that at least half of China’s population must be in the middle class. Roughly speaking, there should be a transition from “I spend my salary on housing, utilities and food” to “I have enough for everything - I’ll invest in shares, change my car every 3 years and my phone every two years, branded sneakers 4 times a year, etc.” "
      Well, the social economy cannot dump over a long distance, even the Chinese one. Contrary to popular belief, you cannot simply print money in a normal economy, even if it is dollars.
      1. +2
        3 February 2024 12: 57
        Quote: Vladimir_Semenovich
        To develop the domestic market, a huge layer of people is needed who will buy goods and services with high added value, which means that at least half of China’s population must be in the middle class.

        That's what China is trying to do now!
      2. 0
        7 February 2024 16: 16
        Plus, having become rich, the population will begin to ask uncomfortable questions to the Politburo, look at the emperor with a grin and other manifestations of disloyalty... And they are embarrassed to bring the population into such a mood
  3. +14
    2 February 2024 04: 44
    The main problem in China now, and not only in China, is not the fall in investment, the fall in some growth rates.
    The main problem in China is that 30% of young people under 33 are unemployed. And the problem is not that there is no work. And in the reluctance of young people to work. “They sit on their cell phones, only playing games and movies.”
    The generation that made the “Chinese miracle” are people 40 and older.
    I didn’t come up with this - I just watched a short report from China with official statistics.
    If you listen to Europe, young people are also unemployed and do not want to work. Robotization and automation will reduce the number of people in production and other areas of life. What's the point of working if you have a bed, free wi-fi, and enough food allowance? And when the majority of society becomes infected with this, there will inevitably be problems.
    1. +8
      2 February 2024 05: 56
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      What's the point of working if you have a bed, free wi-fi, and enough food allowance?

      They follow the path of ancient Rome...
    2. +8
      2 February 2024 06: 23
      Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
      “They sit on their cell phones, only playing games and movies.”
      The generation that made the “Chinese miracle” are people 40 and older.

      Yes, all over the world, such a disease, the smartphone has corrupted and turned a monkey out of a person
    3. +6
      2 February 2024 11: 44
      You are mistaken, they just don’t want to spend their whole lives working hard for no reason, and that’s right. And the bourgeoisie just don’t like this.
    4. +4
      2 February 2024 12: 07
      The main problem in China is that 30% of young people under 33 are unemployed. And the problem is not that there is no work. And in the reluctance of young people to work. “They sit on their cell phones, only playing games and movies.”
      The generation that made the “Chinese miracle” are people 40 and older.
      I didn’t come up with this - I just watched a short report from China with official statistics.
      If you listen to Europe, young people are also unemployed and do not want to work.


      Young people do not want to work because there is not enough normal work. Read Guy Standing’s book “The Precariat”, it describes that in the USA 60 years ago a person on average changed jobs 4 times in his life, now - once every two years. There are fewer and fewer stable jobs with social guarantees. Large enterprises either move to countries with cheap labor or are automated.
      Working conditions in the same Amazon warehouse in the USA/Wildberry in our country, where programs monitor how many movements an employee makes per hour, are very bad.
      In the USSR, as far as I know, there were big problems with attracting employees to those enterprises where there was assembly line work.
      1. 0
        3 February 2024 13: 18
        Quote: Ivan Seversky
        Young people do not want to work because there is not enough normal work.

        What do you mean by normal work?

        Therefore, there is a problem in unwillingness, but there is also a problem in the brains of many who do not want (are they capable of doing this work - because learning how to do this work is also a huge work, and why, when you can lie down and not die of hunger... ) is one thing.

        The second problem is that a capitalist, even if he is able, will always try to pay the minimum. And the more powerful there are, the less the capitalist pays to the powerful. As a result, the number of those who can become smaller... in the end, what will young people do?

        You might think that the capital market regulates this - but only when there is an example of a serious alternative! In fact, if capitalism is left alone, it will destroy the Earth. But if normal socialism (though humanity still has to grow to it) was left alone, then the Earth would survive. Well, an addition - there will be no normal capitalism alone, since under capitalism alone, humanity, people, will never reach the required condition.
        1. +1
          3 February 2024 13: 27
          There are other smaller ones, but they make their own contribution... who will pass on the experience to the youth, and why pass on it, so that later they will almost throw you out.
          And in Russia there is a particular problem - the capitalist wants something ready-made right away, and even if he teaches it, it is not at his own expense.
          You can find more than one problem less than the global ones.
    5. +1
      3 February 2024 02: 02
      I agree that this is one of the main problems of China, but this happened not least due to the fact that China failed to carry out a massive transition to a post-industrial economy, including because the growth rate of the middle class was lower than what it should have been + one child per family policy. Because of this, in fact, 2 generations (2 grandfathers + 2 grandmothers + parents) invest in one child and provide him/her with a higher education at any cost, since in China this has been a ticket to the social elevator for the last 2.5 thousand years. And upon graduating from universities, it turned out that China is not Europe or America - millions of journalists, lawyers, economists, engineers, chemists, etc. are not needed. And we need the same ones who were needed in the times of our parents - workers, packers, assemblers, etc. This is the country where there really is a line outside the fence, including the notorious IT specialists...
    6. 0
      23 February 2024 11: 52
      This is not certain. Many young Chinese want to find work, but companies are unable to provide more jobs.
  4. +7
    2 February 2024 04: 45
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    We must listen to Uncle Xi, who said that China will diversify its economy, and on the other hand, it will rely on domestic consumption by increasing the income of the population and, therefore, creating the need for a better quality of life....

    This will never happen in modern Russia with GDP.
  5. +7
    2 February 2024 05: 03
    I will express a couple of thoughts on this topic.

    The fact that deflation is cited as an example as a prologue to a “crisis” is an extremely amusing and controversial statement, although today you can often hear it from some popular authors on TV. Firstly, we need to understand the specific case, what exactly is deflation? Do you mean a decrease in the rate of price growth or a decrease in prices as such? If the former, then in principle this can be ignored at all, in the moment, that’s for sure. If prices are falling, then we need to look at the structure of consumer and production prices. It happens that growth in the manufacturing sector and all kinds of costs outpaces the growth in consumer prices to such an extent that the sale of goods and services becomes impossible. You should always have a certain gap between these values, and a stable one. Then the so-called “Deflation” is generally a benefit, not a problem, the question is to what level it must go in order for the production cycle to “breathe.” In general, a situation where both consumer and production prices go down, which in theory could just mean a decrease in output + a decrease in consumption, practically never happens in reality. Simply because a decrease in output is always compensated by price. And, if in Russia in this case there will be a ceiling somewhere, then in the rotten West, this process will traditionally be supported by emissions. Again, a lot depends on the structure - how much is spent on domestic consumption and how much on external consumption. For the EU and China, such a model is possible; for Turkey, with its trade deficit and export orientation, this is not the best solution, quite the opposite.
    1. 0
      3 February 2024 02: 09
      China has been experiencing deflation in the form of lower prices for a year now. And this is exactly the price from the manufacturer - both for exporters and for domestic consumption. Domestic consumer prices are falling at a much slower rate. China's deflation situation is similar to Japan's in the 90s.
      1. +2
        3 February 2024 06: 13
        I looked at the indicators. There is precisely a decrease in the growth rate. For consumption by 0,5% -1,5%, for industry 0,3% - to 3% for industries. This is a market adjustment that is ongoing. There was an annual increase of +-8%, now +-7,4%.
        Deflation in terms of growth rates is generally a “steep indicator”. A little from a different area, but nevertheless - our eggs jumped by 60%, and fell by 2%, if you look at the year, then the guard, if in the moment, then, oh, it seems like “deflation”) wassat
        1. 0
          7 February 2024 08: 43
          You're looking at growth in economic activity. And you need to look at the Producer Price Index.
  6. +8
    2 February 2024 05: 09
    How many of these crises have they seen... one more or less... And an Indian Pakistani next to a Chinese is not a worker at all. Even a Thai and a Vietnamese will be rather weak. It is not for nothing that the most successful communities in Southeast Asia are Chinese.
  7. +13
    2 February 2024 05: 11
    And China needs a clear victory with an obvious result.
    China learns from its mistakes, and not like some who don’t want to learn at all, and then say we were deceived...
    1. -2
      2 February 2024 06: 27
      Quote: parusnik
      China learns from its mistakes, and not like some who don’t want to learn at all, and then say we were deceived...

      China has discipline, will, and liberals are suppressed.
      1. +11
        2 February 2024 06: 31
        and the liberals are crushed
        .No need to talk about liberals, when you read something like this, you immediately think that for more than 20 years a government made up of workers and peasants has been in power, and from the underground it is being spoiled by the bourgeoisie who call themselves liberals. smile
  8. +7
    2 February 2024 05: 19
    Many states went through this, first wild economic growth, then stabilization. Let's remember Japan, Germany and the Asian "tigers". They also called the decline in growth rates, followed by stabilization, “the end of the miracle” wink
    1. +7
      2 February 2024 13: 05
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Many states went through this, first wild economic growth, then stabilization. Let's remember Japan, Germany and the Asian "tigers". They also called the decline in growth rates, followed by stabilization, “the end of the miracle” wink

      First, explosive growth due to the effect of a low base, general backwardness of technology and pitiful salaries, which are supported by a hardworking rural population. And then they caught up with technology, wages rose significantly, the population no longer wanted to work 12/7. And it’s already becoming difficult to grow.
    2. -2
      3 February 2024 02: 18
      The trouble is that China does not have time and most likely will not have time to become “rich.” Countries such as Japan, Germany, South Korea may stop growing for ten years, and live, so to speak, on rent from technology, patents, international corporations, and investments. This is fatal for China because all corporations are tied inwards, China has very little cultural influence, domestic consumption is weak and social support is still very weak.
      1. 0
        3 February 2024 05: 03
        Quote: Vladimir_Semenovich
        Countries such as Japan, Germany, South Korea may stop growing for ten years, and live, so to speak, on rent from technology and patents

        This is where you are wrong! Today, technology is developing so quickly that, as the song says: “as soon as you let go of the pressure a little, fate will read out a death sentence”! wink
  9. +9
    2 February 2024 05: 19
    The article is somewhat alarmist. Talking about an economic crisis with growth of 5% of a volume of more than 30 trillion dollars at PPP (17,7 at par) is not too serious. Moreover, this is pure growth; the population in China has stopped growing. A 5% reduction in trade, given the rapid growth of the domestic market and the remaining astronomical volumes of 6 trillion, is also not a problem.
    Of course, there are growing difficulties. Too rapid growth in incomes of the population and the domestic market, coupled with a declining birth rate and a general aging of the population, creates its own problems. Added to these are the increasingly escalating confrontation with the United States, which, however, the PRC wants to avoid (the PRC does not need the role of a second superpower balancing global contradictions) and a truly acute debt crisis that cannot be solved using American methods.
    But to conclude from this that the PRC needs to fight is wrong. The simplest thing is that it is not clear who to fight with and what will it give? Capture Mongolia or Kazakhstan? No problem, but why? And this is the perfect reason to block Chinese trade. With India for the remains of the Himalayas? Absurdity. With Russia? It’s completely absurd, the PRC already receives everything it needs from the modern Russian Federation.
    The only candidate is Taiwan. But here again there will be problems in relations with the West, and militarily, Taiwan is a very difficult target. Such a war certainly cannot be called small...
    So we really won’t see 10% growth anymore, but in the short term there won’t be a collapse of the PRC, just like there won’t be a war.
  10. +7
    2 February 2024 06: 53
    It is already interesting that the author, clearly not a sinologist, talks about the collapse of the Chinese economy based in his forecasts solely on articles by other authors who are not distinguished by their love for this country. And of course, how to do without the burning Taiwanese topic. So, regarding Taiwan, the leadership of China and in particular Comrade. Xi Jinping explained the situation more than once. The main goal is to return Taiwan to the mainland peacefully, but if it doesn’t work out “thanks” to the efforts of the Americans and creating provocations, then the Chinese are ready to fight.
  11. +5
    2 February 2024 07: 25
    The decline in growth rates in China is a problem for the world economy, including the Russian one. But you can’t run uphill all the time.
  12. +4
    2 February 2024 08: 35
    And China needs a clear victory with an obvious result.
    China has not yet chosen an opponentlaughing And the author slips... laughing
  13. +6
    2 February 2024 08: 41
    The end of the Chinese miracle

    The respected author changed his rhetoric from “Soar and unwind” and switched to the macroeconomics of the PRC. Of course, the author did better with Bolshevik slogans...And as long as China is fine with its main resource - human resources - everything will be fine with them. And I’ve been hearing about the end of the Chinese miracle for about 15 years now, but for some reason on the street around me there are 50% Chinese cars and I’m writing from a Chinese phone...
    1. 0
      2 February 2024 09: 34
      Quote: Vladimir80
      And I’ve been hearing about the end of the Chinese miracle for about 15 years now, but for some reason on the street around me there are 50% Chinese cars and I’m writing from a Chinese phone...


      This is not because of a miracle, it is because Western models are unavailable for various reasons, and we do not make our own.
      1. +3
        2 February 2024 09: 45
        but we don’t make our own.

        but ten years ago they still made a lot of their own, “Zhiguli” at least knew how to assemble parts from their own, but then everything became cheaper to buy in China... and turned into Papuans, giving away the remains of minerals for beads...
        1. -2
          2 February 2024 10: 53
          Quote: Vladimir80
          but we don’t make our own.

          but ten years ago they still made a lot of their own, “Zhiguli” at least knew how to assemble parts from their own, but then everything became cheaper to buy in China... and turned into Papuans, giving away the remains of minerals for beads...


          Russia is a capitalist country, business is engaged in production, and the most important thing for business is profit. Therefore, what is more profitable is what they produce.

          The government and power in general reflect the interests of business in the first place, since the rest of the population cannot have any influence on the government, power is an instrument of business. Therefore, we should not expect any improvements for the population.
    2. +1
      2 February 2024 13: 08
      Quote: Vladimir80
      The respected author changed his rhetoric from “Soar and unwind” and switched to the macroeconomics of the PRC. Of course, the author did better with Bolshevik slogans...And as long as China is fine with its main resource - human resources - everything will be fine with them. And I’ve been hearing about the end of the Chinese miracle for about 15 years now, but for some reason on the street around me there are 50% Chinese cars and I’m writing from a Chinese phone...

      It is with this resource that they have a disaster. The population reproduction rate dropped to one. (2.2 is required to maintain the current population) And this means an extremely rapid decline in the population, which, together with its massive aging, leads to huge problems.
      1. -1
        2 February 2024 13: 24
        It is with this resource that they have a disaster. The population reproduction rate dropped to one.

        with human resources they are facing a catastrophe, but not today or tomorrow, but in 25-30 years... and we still need to somehow get through these 30 years...
        1. -2
          2 February 2024 13: 30
          Quote: Vladimir80
          with human resources they are facing a catastrophe, but not today or tomorrow, but in 25-30 years... and we still need to somehow get through these 30 years...

          Last year there was already a collapse; in 2023 they lost a million people. Each next year will continue to grow.
          1. +4
            2 February 2024 13: 45
            in one large country the population in 2022 will be decreased by 1%, and the prime minister and the head of Cebe write false reports “everything is fine, beautiful marquise,” and in the PRC the reduction is 0.07%
            1. -1
              2 February 2024 13: 48
              Quote: Vladimir80
              in one large country the population in 2022 will be decreased by 1%, and the prime minister and the head of Cebe write false reports “everything is fine, beautiful marquise,” and in the PRC the reduction is 0.07%

              I don’t deny that we have an even bigger problem, but now there is news and talk about China.
              By the way, I was wrong, not 1 million, but 2 million last year in China.
              1. -1
                2 February 2024 15: 32
                Quote: BlackMokona

                I don’t deny that we have an even bigger problem, but now there is news and talk about China.


                The demographic problem is not a problem of China or Russia or Europe, it is a problem of civilization, since the entire population of all urbanized countries is dying out.

                If humanity does not change the economic paradigm (and there are no ideas or, especially, positive examples yet), then civilization will perish. The population of urbanized countries will be replaced by the population of backward countries, they will bring their values, and this will be a new civilization.

                Well, not soon.
    3. 0
      7 February 2024 16: 23
      Not everything is in order with their human resources; they have just entered the second demographic transition, just like their opponents, and in the same way they will begin to decline in a few decades
  14. +11
    2 February 2024 08: 49
    in December, 89% of Chinese cities recorded a drop in prices.

    What’s amazing is that in the Stalinist USSR, price reductions were considered an extremely positive factor... what
    1. 0
      2 February 2024 13: 08
      Quote: paul3390
      in December, 89% of Chinese cities recorded a drop in prices.

      What’s amazing is that in the Stalinist USSR, price reductions were considered an extremely positive factor... what

      This means a drop in demand. The fall in demand means the closure of production. The closure of production means unemployment, etc.
      1. +3
        2 February 2024 13: 16
        The fall in demand means the closure of production

        Not necessarily - maybe you just raised prices to the ceiling and it’s worth reining in the toad a little.
        1. -1
          2 February 2024 13: 17
          Quote: paul3390
          The fall in demand means the closure of production

          Not necessarily - maybe you just raised prices to the ceiling and it’s worth reining in the toad a little.

          And in China, prices were already high for milk; there have been entire ghost towns there for several years now. There is so much unsold housing there that the whole of Russia could be resettled a couple of times. The state subsidized this extremely generously, but the money is running out.
  15. +2
    2 February 2024 09: 05
    I wrote and will write again. When we ourselves have nothing to boast about, we begin to look for “fleas” from our neighbors. SGA, too, has been around for a year now and still nothing. Now China. And if only someone would give us the tip of this Chinese miracle, otherwise we sag by tens of percent, then the rise is within the limits of statistical error, and they are already shouting about it to us from all the irons as a great achievement. In general, the Author tell the Chinese how bad things are for them, otherwise they don’t know.
    1. +6
      2 February 2024 12: 16
      When we ourselves have nothing to boast about, we begin to look for “fleas” from our neighbors.
      What fleas, take something bigger laughing Our prices are rising by leaps and bounds, for example, eggs have become “golden”, but what can I say, go to the store, all the prices are in a “golden” shine... They shimmer like that laughing And the salary? Soon we will begin to build palaces, like in Gelendzhik.. The President, here just now was glad that the auto industry in Germany is breathing its last, they say we need to help.. China, whoops, the USA, will disintegrate... Some one of them has a fiery holiday Our neighbors’ house burns brighter, but we don’t notice a fire in our own house. And it’s not a fire at all, just a house, we drown it “black”. laughing
      1. +7
        2 February 2024 13: 09
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        ..The President, just now I was glad that the auto industry in Germany was dying, they say we need to help..

        Did the creators of Aurus tell him this?
        1. +4
          2 February 2024 13: 54
          Frets sport, probably laughing "" "
        2. +2
          2 February 2024 14: 04
          There is a shortage of skilled workers in Germany, many auto companies are still faced with a shortage of components, Chinese ones, of course, and are forced to reduce production, again there are problems with fuel and gas.. An attempt to switch to electric cars, but electricity has risen in price, everything is a mess, but the crisis has begun not yesterday, but since 2018. Almost the same as ours, but ours is even worse.
      2. +2
        2 February 2024 13: 53
        Yeah, when I read that, I pinched myself to see if I was dreaming. Yes
  16. -6
    2 February 2024 09: 14
    Alexander thank you very much! Great stuff. I looked with interest. I haven’t watched China for a long time - I haven’t had time! It would be interesting to also discuss the consequences of the crisis in China for the entire world economy.
  17. +4
    2 February 2024 11: 43
    Despite economic stagnation, is Japan living poorly?
    Is China living badly, given that, according to a number of calculation methods, it ranks 1st in terms of GDP in the world? From the fact that he will go down to 2nd place, I don’t think that they will eat grass there and boil the soles of their boots!
    The narrowing of the construction sector is something that has been foreseen there for a long time - for about 10 years now they have been cutting up these half-empty new cities and it has become the talk of the town. However, Chinese construction campaigns are switching to foreign markets - Africa, etc. If the PRC's trade and logistics projects are successful, they will also find work for many years - to create infrastructure for them.
    China has dominated the world in the niche of consumer goods on a broad front; in order to overcome this for India or anyone else, it will take decades of labor and construction, during which time China will completely switch to high-tech products. And although in the long term there are a lot of threats and potential crises, in the near future the PRC can only be “cut down” by an unsuccessful and prolonged war.
  18. -2
    2 February 2024 11: 44
    And besides the beating - no miracles! (And I thought - this is a genie, he can do a lot, we’ll beat their faces afterwards - I want wine!)
  19. +3
    2 February 2024 11: 52
    China has fallen into the classic middle-income trap - using China as the workshop of the world is no longer profitable due to the rising cost of labor, theft of technology and not always adequate government policies, the almost three-year Covid quarantine is worth it.
    Currently, it is more profitable to transfer production to India or return it to your country, receiving tax benefits and plus the reputation of the Brand. Labor costs are less important in highly automated production.
    To overcome the middle-income trap, you need to participate in international technology chains at the highest possible level, and China is used to openly stealing technology, so the prospects for cooperation look dubious.
    On the other hand, China has a huge domestic market and a lot of production, so there will be slowing growth rather than stagnation.

    One thing is offensive about China. They have enormous resources and opportunities for about 15 years; they could show an example of a society that is poorer than the West, but with its own great advantages. Not in terms of growth rates, but in terms of quality of life and social structure. Then Taiwan itself would return to China peacefully.
    Instead, there are attempts to catch up with the United States in some respects; we recall our history with corn, the absence of a global civilizational project (unlike the USSR), the aging Xi, who broke the system of checks and balances in the Communist Party and life with a taste of dystopia.
  20. +4
    2 February 2024 11: 57
    I wonder, when was the last time the author himself was in China? And, preferably, not as a tourist, but on business.
    I was in Shanghai in November at an industrial exhibition. Before that it was already in 2006. The progress is so obvious and incredible that it takes your breath away.
    In everything, from the fact that now the Chinese don’t stink, to the technical and technological level of the equipment they produce. Europe, far away and not only in terms of price. I'm not talking about the city, the car park, etc.
  21. +2
    2 February 2024 11: 59
    good level of education in India, qualified public.

    Is this sarcasm? Don't make fun of Indians.
    In general, the Celestial Empire with its Communist Party and market economy (capitalist with a strong public sector) found itself in a classic crisis of capitalism.

    The PRC has a classic socialist economy like Lenin’s NEP and there will be no crisis of capitalism there.
    True, it is possible that the Chinese are playing with statistics.

    Their statistics reflect the state of the real economy much better than in capitalist countries.
    The debt level is almost three times the country's GDP (295%) and is the highest for China since 1995.

    What debt and to whom if China has always had a balance of payments surplus and is the largest creditor, for example, the United States. I think you didn’t understand something.
    1. +2
      2 February 2024 12: 45
      Quote: Kostadinov
      What debt and to whom if China has always had a balance of payments surplus

      This refers to the volume of loans issued by banks - within the country.
  22. +5
    2 February 2024 12: 39
    For the author's information:
    1. By the end of September 2023, China’s external debt is less than 2 billion US dollars. At the same time, it is decreasing (400 billion dollars in 2).
    2. China's GDP in 2023 is 27 billion dollars. Debt 360% of GDP.
    Internal debts are the relations between the state, cooperatives and citizens with their property.
  23. 0
    2 February 2024 12: 53
    The war will clear out debts, restart the economy through the military-industrial complex, and it is also possible to create a yuan zone by shifting debts to allies and neighbors.
    You are confusing modern China with the USA in 1945.
    To eliminate debts, you need to eliminate and subjugate creditors, and also have allies weakened by the war so that you can transfer debts to them. The USA had all this in 1945, modern China is not even close to that. So it's unlikely.
    And the Anglo-Saxons are pushing China towards war in order to “legally” cut off its exports and collapse the economy by blocking the import of raw materials.
  24. +4
    2 February 2024 13: 08
    The author somehow forgets that in China there is a guiding and guiding force, and this force has a repressive apparatus that will calm down all those who are dissatisfied. So, there are no global problems observed. Much has been said about the transfer of production to India))) I wonder if the author ever worked at a factory, even if it wasn’t a very large one? If I worked, I wouldn’t write nonsense))) not to mention the fact that the transfer itself does not solve the labor problem. Will they also bring highly qualified workers?)))
  25. +1
    2 February 2024 13: 37
    For several decades, the rate of economic growth of the PRC exceeded 10%, which was not even dreamed of by the state formations of NATO, Japan, and even more so the Russian Federation, primitively explaining this not by the best system of government and management of the PRC, but by the so-called. “low start”.
    Such agglomerations as greater Beijing with a population of about 180 million people, greater Shanghai-Ningbo, greater Hong Kong and a myriad of smaller cities with millionaires gave rise to a boom in the construction industry, debt-laden municipalities, shadow banking, financial bubbles and the collapse of the construction industry, which was followed by a series of bankruptcies, the climax of which was the recent collapse of the largest developer, Evergrande.
    Naturally, this led to problems for related industries, which could not but have a negative impact on the economic indicators of the PRC as a whole. There is such a thing as the flow of capital from one industry to another, more profitable one. With all this, the 5% plan for 23rd year was fulfilled (!) and there is no doubt that the planned indicators for 24th year will also be met despite the sanctions imposed against China and the general turbulence of the world economy.
  26. -1
    2 February 2024 13: 52
    With “The End of the Chinese Miracle” it’s almost clear. And when will there be “The Beginning of the Russian..” True, we have enough “miracles”, but they are most often from China. Author, you can also “reasonably” about Russia, otherwise I’m tired of it - “..with them.. with them.. with them”
  27. +5
    2 February 2024 16: 45
    Stagnation is bad, but a failed small victorious war is even worse. That’s why China is not starting its NWO.
  28. BAI
    0
    2 February 2024 20: 11
    When an American reconnaissance plane fell into the hands of the People's Republic of China and made an emergency landing, the most important discovery of Chinese specialists was that all components of the equipment were stamped - made in China.
  29. 0
    2 February 2024 20: 59
    The International Monetary Fund, the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis[7] and other sources such as Article IV Consultation Reports[8][note 2] state that at the end of 2014, China's "gross public debt" to GDP ratio was 41,54 percent.[9] Given that China's GDP in 2014 was US$10 billion,[356,508][9] this equates to China's public debt of approximately US$10 trillion.

    China's external debt stood at about US$2015 trillion by June 1,68, according to data from the country's State Administration of Foreign Exchange cited by the State Council.[11] The figure excludes the Hong Kong and Macau Special Administrative Regions.[11] China's external debt, denominated in US dollars, accounted for 80 percent of the total, euros 6 percent, and Japanese yen 4 percent.[11]

    In 2023, total local government debt rose to 92 trillion yuan ($12,58 trillion), and the central government of the People's Republic of China ordered its banks to roll over debt as part of a debt restructuring.[12
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_China

    At the same time, China’s GDP is $18,1 trillion (2022, nominal), $30,22 trillion (2022, PPP)[1]. That. Based on purchasing power parity, China's public debt ($4,3 trillion in 2014) is approx. 14% of GDP. This is not much, and certainly does not indicate an impending economic collapse. In the USA, the national debt (debt of the federal government) is about 150% of GDP and so far they are holding up. But, the end (of the States), however, is already close: interest on the debt has increased almost 10 times, the debt, already large, began to grow sharply and this may be the beginning of the end... The situation in the EU is no better: there the debt is predicted to increase by 80% per year for the next 3 years. So the public debts of the EU countries alone may exceed GDP by 6-7 times in the near future. And this is the finish line.
  30. +2
    2 February 2024 21: 07
    Negative signs of economic catastrophe are accumulating in the Celestial Empire.
    Here we can only answer: rumors about the economic death of China are somewhat exaggerated... winked
  31. -2
    2 February 2024 23: 02
    On the other hand, the collective West, led by the United States, needs to put down its rapidly developing competitor. Therefore, the West has sharply reduced investment in China, there is an exodus of foreign capital from the Middle Kingdom, and access to advanced technologies is being limited. And not only the West. Thus, Taiwan is rapidly leaving China. Taiwanese firms are increasing investments in the US and Europe to reduce dependence on China. China absorbed only 2023% of Taiwan's outward investment flows in 11, down from 34% in 2022.


    It’s unlikely that the collective West needs to assign anyone. As Samsonov himself noted, the collective West faces one task - maximizing the profit extracted from the banana republics. China is gradually turning into Japan and a replacement is being prepared to take its place. An ordinary management decision, only on a global scale. The goal is to maintain the same level of profits. No one is saying that the collective West needed to punish Japan, but everything looks identical.
    1. +1
      3 February 2024 18: 07
      It was easy for the Americans to put Japan in its place because Japan was a dependent country that is still occupied by American troops. China is different; politically it is a completely independent power. In addition, China, in economic terms, is much stronger than Japan, China's GDP in PPP exceeded the US GDP, and production is many times greater; China, in fact, finances America and supports both it and the EU. China is a recognized economic leader in the world and is certainly not a “banana republic”. In the event of an economic war, it is China that will put the United States in its place, and not vice versa. Most of China's manufacturing is done by national companies or joint ventures. It will not be so easy to remove production from there. With regards to access to advanced technologies, China was going to reach the forefront in science and technology by 2025. And he will achieve his goal, at least with our help. In any case, China is already producing chips measuring 3-5 nanometers
      1. -2
        4 February 2024 06: 33
        Quote: Andrey A
        It was easy for the Americans to put Japan in its place because Japan was a dependent country that is still occupied by American troops.


        The US economic strategy is to obtain maximum profit; if someone agrees to work cheaper, they go where it is cheaper.

        Quote: Andrey A
        China is different; politically it is a completely independent power. In addition, China, in economic terms, is much stronger than Japan, China's GDP in PPP exceeded the US GDP, and production is many times greater; China, in fact, finances America and supports both it and the EU. China is a recognized economic leader in the world and is certainly not a “banana republic”.


        The Americans already tried to fight China about 100 years ago, and ended up with the “Great Depression.” Let's see what they came up with this time and how it ends.

        Quote: Andrey A
        With regards to access to advanced technologies, China was going to reach the forefront in science and technology by 2025. And he will achieve his goal, at least with our help. In any case, China is already producing chips measuring 3-5 nanometers


        China, of course, produces all this, thanks to huge investments from the West, but whether it can do it on its own for a long time is a question. The advantage of the West is in the organized promotion of its technologies, with the support of intelligence services, the army, and politics. Unfortunately, Russia is just mastering these methods, let’s hope for success. The Soviet Union, as is known, failed to cope with this. They never learned how to make a profit from long-term investments. Either the officials stole everything, or the debtors cheated, but the fact is the fact.
        1. 0
          25 February 2024 15: 44
          Americans do not always strive for maximum profit, otherwise they would not have imposed sanctions against a number of countries, incl. and against Russia. It is unlikely that the Great Depression was caused by the US confrontation with China. As for the prospects for China to do without the supply of Western technologies, according to the plans of the CCP, China should become one of the leaders in scientific and technological progress as early as next year. And the CCP, albeit with some delay, usually achieves the implementation of its plans. And with our support, even more so, China will cope.
          1. 0
            26 February 2024 10: 14
            Quote: Andrey A
            Americans do not always strive for maximum profit, otherwise they would not have imposed sanctions against a number of countries, incl. and against Russia.


            Americans, in general, are not fools, from the gateway. They first sign a mutually binding intergovernmental agreement, and then, through banks, trusts, funds operating under the protection of this agreement, they make protected investments. In contrast, it will not be said as a reproach, from Russia and Russian business, which operates on the principle of coming, seeing, buying at your own peril and risk. That is why the West has the opportunity to impose sanctions on Russia and Russian companies, seize assets and property, etc.

            Quote: Andrey A
            It is unlikely that the Great Depression was caused by the US confrontation with China.


            The May 4th movement, in which Chinese students called on the Chinese population to stop buying products not made in China—in other words, to boycott foreign goods—also helped spur development. Foreign imports fell sharply from 1919 to 1921 and from 1925 to 1927.


            In short, the Americans bet on the wrong ones during the Chinese Civil War and lost, losing previously invested money and 19% of China's import consumption by 1927. Thanks to which they fell into the Great Depression. Naturally, they themselves do not talk about it openly. At that time in Europe, after WWII, there was an economic recession, and in Russia it was also difficult.

            Quote: Andrey A
            As for the prospects for China to do without the supply of Western technologies, according to the plans of the CCP, China should become one of the leaders in scientific and technological progress as early as next year. And the CCP, albeit with some delay, usually achieves the implementation of its plans.


            Of course, China's economy is the strongest today. Japan was also very strong, about thirty years ago, but when the West sent technology to China, they fell into recession and still don’t know how to get out. The West knows how to manage its investments. Time will tell whether Russia will be able to provide a competitive alternative. Today, Russia does not have the technologies that China needs, here and now, to dominate the market.
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              27 February 2024 18: 09
              Well, firstly, the years do not coincide with the Chinese boycott of goods and the Great Depression, and secondly, GDP and, in general, the Chinese market was then so small that, in principle, it did not affect anything. The Americans, when they introduced and are introducing sanctions against us (and not only us), justify them for political reasons. In any case, Americans easily give up profits in the name of politics and this is a fact (repeated many times).
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                28 February 2024 00: 15
                Quote: Andrey A
                Well, firstly, the years do not coincide with the Chinese boycott of goods and the Great Depression, and secondly, GDP and, in general, the Chinese market was then so small that, in principle, it did not affect anything.


                In the late 20s, problems between the United States and China began. The Great Depression began in the early 30s. Such events do not develop day by day. In the late 30s, with the outbreak of WWII, the Great Depression ended due to a sharp increase in demand for US products. WWII helped them with this. Food for thought!
  32. +1
    4 February 2024 15: 12
    Well, the author caught up with the wave. Especially with the national debt. It’s not even close to 295% of GDP. For 2023, estimates give a range of 75-80%, exact data will be available soon. By the way, the European Commission, albeit thick-headed, considers 60-70% of the debt a safe level. So China has nothing special. For the striped ones it is 130%, for the Japanese it is 260%. The striped ones are saved, of course, by the status of the dollar, otherwise they...
    For China, a qualitative transition from an important global player to one of the world leaders is now obvious. It takes time. But there are clear guidelines:
    1. The Yuan is definitely becoming one of the world's reserve currencies.
    2. From the place of assembly they now become a place of development. And this is another added value.
    3. China's domestic market will soon catch up with the American market. No one will voluntarily give up such a pie; they will invest, supply, and adapt.
    It is impossible to develop forever at 7-10% per year. The more developed the economy, the more difficult it is to grow.
  33. -3
    4 February 2024 17: 44
    Remember, when China truly wakes up, the world will tremble.
    This whole mess will brew at the end of the 20s.
    There will be a severe recession in China.
    But China will not give up its Ambitions to Become a “Salute Super Power.”
    And China will go to its superpower at any cost and over any corpses.
  34. +2
    4 February 2024 20: 47
    One-sided article: China now has businesses that can replace Western companies, and they are looking to invest around the world. BID is an example
  35. +1
    5 February 2024 17: 34
    In 2023, both China's exports and imports declined simultaneously. Chinese exports last year decreased by 4,6%, amounting to 3,4 trillion US dollars, imports - by 5,5%, to 2,6 trillion.
    China has growth: in 2023, the economy grew quite well by 5%.

    We, in our dullness, would assume an increase in domestic consumption - something that the CCP is pushing China towards...
    But the wise author believes, on the contrary, the Chinese fsevrut and they fse disappeared.
    Thank you for opening our eyes.
  36. -1
    7 February 2024 10: 47
    Quote: MASTER.STALK.KER
    Remember, when China truly wakes up, the world will tremble.

    "China is sleeping, let it sleep. God forbid, gentlemen, if it wakes up"
    Napoleon Bonaparte
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    7 February 2024 11: 06
    Quote: Arzt
    A country grows richer when it trades abroad, and at a profit.


    Yes it is. If we look at the history, in the post-war years, of the development of the eastern “dragons” (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, China), and before that the Federal Republic of Germany, we can clearly see that ALL development was tied to exports and investments from abroad.
  38. 0
    23 February 2024 11: 58
    As a Chinese, I do not deny that there is a clear crisis in the governance of the country. But if you think China will collapse, you are wrong. Remember that China has a thousand-year history of going through and recovering from many crises.