An American is not a decree: How a Russian scientist deciphered the Mayan writing

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An American is not a decree: How a Russian scientist deciphered the Mayan writing

Mayan writing has become one of the most difficult mysteries for scientists of past centuries. So, from the middle of the 19th century to the middle of the 20th, even the world’s leading scientists could not understand the meaning of the “pictures” that the American Indians left on stones, pots, walls and other surfaces.

The closest to the solution was the Frenchman Leon de Rosny. Meanwhile, he could not find the treasured key. In turn, the German researcher Paul Schellhas, completely in despair, wrote an article where he expressed confidence that it was simply impossible to decipher the Mayan writings.



It was this essay that caught the eye of Yuri Knorozov, a student at the Faculty of History of Moscow State University, who stated that everything created by the human mind will ultimately be solved by him. From that moment the work began, which ultimately made Yuri Valentinovich famous throughout the world.

It is worth noting that, together with Knorozov, the head of the American school of Mayan studies, Eric Thompson, was engaged in deciphering the symbols left by the Indians. True, the expert from the USA made a mistake and got confused in his research, without achieving a result. At the same time, Thompson forbade everyone else to engage in further decryption, calling this task impossible.

Fortunately, the American was not a decree for the Russian Knorozov.

I am an armchair scientist. To work with texts, there is no need to jump through the pyramids

- Yuri Valentinovich once said.

Knorozov’s work dragged on for many years. By the time the first publication of his works came out in 1952, the future scientist had defended his diploma in shamanism at Moscow State University and was about to enter graduate school.

True, Knorozov could not get into graduate school then, neither at the Institute of Ethnography, nor at Moscow State University. He was not taken, since he and his family were in enemy-occupied territories during the Great Patriotic War.

After defending his diploma, Knorozov was sent to work at the Leningrad Museum of Ethnography of the Peoples of the USSR. It was here, having settled in a small museum room, that Yuri Valentinovich came to a solution that had not been given to leading scientists over the past hundred years.

By the way, justice has triumphed. Three years after the publication of his scientific work, Knorozov was organized to defend his dissertation and was immediately awarded a doctorate, and in the scientific world he began to be revered as a genius and the hope of the country.

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    1. 0
      January 22 2024
      Did Thompson work with him (as part of a scientific group) or just in parallel?
      1. +4
        January 22 2024
        It is worth noting that, together with Knorozov, the head of the American school of Mayan studies, Eric Thompson, was engaged in deciphering the symbols left by the Indians. True, the expert from the USA made a mistake and got confused in his research, without achieving a result. At the same time, Thompson forbade everyone else to engage in further decryption, calling this task impossible.

        The article is nonsense. Thompson began working on deciphering Mayan writing when Knorozov was three years old. They never worked together. And Thompson, despite all his regalia, could not prohibit anyone from studying the Mayan writing.
    2. +4
      January 22 2024
      not at Moscow State University. He was not taken, since he and his family were in enemy-occupied territories during the Great Patriotic War.

      In my opinion, Yuri Knorozov fought as an artilleryman... And somewhere in Europe, in 1945, he found some notebooks on Maya (very interesting) and from this his passion began...
      Well done!
      1. +3
        January 24 2024
        Clearly, this is an early legend, invented by someone unknown and for what purpose. In reality he was not an officer and had not been to Germany. But the Mayan writings were actually brought to the institute from Germany and Knorozov began deciphering them.
        The beauty of his discovery was that he was the first to guess that an individual hieroglyph is not a letter or a whole word, but a syllable.
        1. +3
          January 24 2024
          Now many author-journalists are trying to convince us. that the Soviet government spread rot on Knorozov and did not appreciate his discovery, comparable to the discovery of the Frenchman Chompillon, who deciphered Egyptian hieroglyphs. But it was much easier for Chompillon, having the Rosetta Stone with text inscriptions in two languages. Knorozov also did not work from scratch, using the very first experience of Bishop Diego de Landa (16th century), who wrote down texts in Spanish that could be read by a literate Indian.
          And Knorozov was bullied in the USSR not so much for being in occupied territory, but for his weakness for alcohol. And even when he was first released to Mexico, a personal “guard” from the KGB was assigned to him to prevent him from falling into binge drinking.
          But there is something to reproach the then authorities of the USSR for. They could dress up and cut the scientist’s hair before going abroad so that he doesn’t look like a homeless person.
          1. +4
            January 24 2024
            Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
            They could dress up and cut the scientist’s hair before going abroad so that he doesn’t look like a homeless person.

            Real geniuses have slightly unique personalities, and what they look like is secondary to them.
            For example, Grigory Perelman
            1. +1
              January 24 2024
              Quote: Clear
              Grigory Perelman

              Proved the Poincaré conjecture.
              1. +1
                February 2 2024
                Quote: Clear
                Quote: Clear
                Grigory Perelman

                Proved the Poincaré conjecture.

                I., did not go to receive the bonus. This is exactly what he looked like then. Lived in a standard apartment of a large-panel block house, late 70s, Kupchino metro station. Maybe what has changed? Don't know
                1. +1
                  February 3 2024
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Quote: Clear
                  Quote: Clear
                  Grigory Perelman

                  Proved the Poincaré conjecture.

                  I., did not go to receive the bonus. This is exactly what he looked like then. Lived in a standard apartment of a large-panel block house, late 70s, Kupchino metro station. Maybe what has changed? Don't know

                  I don’t know about the theory... but by his action (refusal to receive the award), for me he is a Scientist and a Personality! God bless him.
                  1. +2
                    February 3 2024
                    Quote: Clear
                    ..... Scientist and Personality! God bless him.

                    When asked why he didn’t want to go, he said that it was already in the past and he was now working on other topics. hi
            2. +3
              January 24 2024
              Real geniuses have slightly unique personalities, and what they look like is secondary to them.
              I agree and have noticed this myself several times. But it’s one thing when they dress like this at home and at work. But with Knorozov it was a little different. He really wasn’t allowed to go abroad for a long time, but when in 1990 he was released to Guatemala, and then to Mexico, where he was presented with government awards and taken to a Luciano Pavorotti concert, it was worth keeping an eye on the appearance of the outstanding scientist and not only his sobriety. This is more my reproach to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Culture of that time, and not to the scientist himself.
        2. +1
          January 24 2024
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          The beauty of his discovery was that he was the first to guess that an individual hieroglyph is not a letter or a whole word, but a syllable.

          I agree to stop at this beauty Yes
        3. +2
          January 26 2024
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          ........a separate hieroglyph is not a letter or a whole word, but a syllable.

          Why are Mayan hieroglyphs interesting? For example, in the Latin alphabet there are printed letters, written letters, shorthand letters, Gothic letters, etc. In Ancient Egypt and Western Asia there was something similar.
          And the great Mayan Indians had countless fonts! With regard to writing, they adhered to the principle “not the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law.” That is, as the clerk wanted, that’s how he shaped them! Some wrote rounded squares, some rectangles, some elongated in a diagonal direction, and some even round letters! But it was possible to find out what kind of hieroglyph it was! Typical features were preserved! The Aztecs also had this rule. But the Aztecs are the only people whose writing the color of the shaded areas had a semantic meaning!!! Besides the Aztecs, only the Mixtecs had this.
          Something like that.
          1. +3
            February 1 2024
            Dmitry, thank you! Although I visited many ruins and pyramids in Mexico, I didn’t know about the color differentiation of (pants) hieroglyphs. Now I’ll go read about it on the Internet
            1. +1
              February 1 2024
              Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
              Dmitry, thank you! Although I visited many ruins and pyramids in Mexico......

              I'm silently jealous. good
              In Mexico, there are not only Aztecs and Mixtecs, there are also Mayans and Zapotecs (these hieroglyphs are like the Mayans), there are also different tribes with ancient culture, mythology, cosmogony, but writing appeared only with the conquistadors, Latin. For example, Otomi, Miche, Soque, Totonac, Tlaxcalan, Huastec, and others. The Tarascans, for example, are a special case. And in the Nahuatl language alone, there are > 50 dialects! Depending on the region, state. Something like this.
              1. +2
                February 2 2024
                Dmitry, I see that you are not idlely interested in this topic, which greatly impresses me. In Mexico, we were very lucky with our guide Maya, a German from Stuttgart, who learned Russian and told us a lot about letters, calendars, and so on. Although I was a little more well-read in this regard than average, I couldn’t digest everything she was telling me. I then only noted her unique ability to independently master and be able to read these hieroglyphs, which she demonstrated to us in the Palenque Museum.
                If you wish, try to look at the photo story of a fellow traveler, with my comments on the Travelers Corporation website.
                http://axinet.ru/forum/f14/t1998/#message19449
                1. 0
                  February 2 2024
                  Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                  .......not idle interest.........

                  Have a nice day, Alexander! hi good As soon as I learned about these civilizations as a preschooler, I immediately liked them! I've been interested ever since. True, from books and films. I've probably collected the best books. Although there are a lot of doubtful things about the Indians.
                  I'll look at your link this evening.
                  Alexander, you have the opportunity to compare the film “Apocalypse” and reality. Like what????????? Please write your opinion.
                  1. +3
                    February 2 2024
                    [i]compare the film "Apocalypse" and realityi]
                    What reality can I compare with, I didn’t live in those times? And I liked the movie! If we judge the relationship between tribes and peoples, with eternal wars and sacrifices, then Gibson was absolutely accurate in this, adhering to the existing scientific theory. The makeup and clothing of the Indians exactly resembled everything I had seen on the frescoes and bas-reliefs. Yes, Gibson did not hide the fact that he strove to accurately match the appearance of the Indians of that time. The film was shot beautifully, the nature is the same from Yucotan, which I had the opportunity to see and even swim in a cenote. I myself am fond of videography during my travels and make my own amateur video reports. And looking at the work of professionals like M. Gibson, I simply envy them.
                    But for now my first priority is an independent trip to Peru, where I managed to visit Machu Picchu, Lake Titicaca and even fly over the Nazca Valley.
                    If you wish, there is my story on the same site:
                    http://axinet.ru/forum/f47/t1242/
                    1. +1
                      February 2 2024
                      Seeing EVERYTHING with your own eyes is just great!!! good wink And even different tribes, distant from each other! I will read your articles with joy and interest! I am glad to see your review of the film. I sometimes thought --- how good it was that I saw real Indians, their rituals, their life... And then I pulled myself together that perhaps it was just like that in the film.
                      I want to write to you in a personal message in the evening.
                      Sincerely.
                    2. +1
                      February 2 2024
                      Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
                      ..... So far my first priority is an independent trip to Peru, where I managed to visit Machu Picchu, Lake Titicaca and even fly over the Nazca Valley.
                      If you wish, there is my story on the same site:
                      http://axinet.ru/forum/f47/t1242/

                      It was with great pleasure that I looked at the pictures and read your impressions. True, not everything yet. I have always been amazed by the size and precision of the andesite blocks that make up the ancient walls of Machu Picchu, Sacsayhuaman, Ollantaytambo. You had the opportunity to touch them with your hands!!!!!!
                      There are a lot of amazing things, in my opinion - for example, giant stone heads in Panama. Well, Nan-Madol in Oceania.
                      In general, I am interested in both the ancient Indians and modern LA countries. I really like Miloslav Stingl, John Reed, Alejo Carpentier, Jorge Amado, Garcia Marquez, Jack London.
                      Thor Heyerdahl seemed to be the first to express the idea of ​​kinship between Oceanians and Indians. But you can’t hide an sew in a bag --- the ancient Californians had a large percentage...Melanesian genes!!!!!!! How is this, in general? In what ways? And why is THIS only in California? And there is also a lot that is unclear about Araucanian chickens! hi
    3. +3
      January 22 2024
      Yuri Knorozov is a very respected scientist in narrow circles studying Mayan culture. If anyone is interested, there is a film about him on YouTube.
    4. +2
      January 22 2024
      good article !!!
      Briefly, about nothing, anonymously.... KVN members of the "DALS" team would say directly - "very good article!!" .
      and it’s good that it’s not Ryabov... otherwise
      Briefly, nothing...
      could increase the volume seven times, but also without revealing the essence (and even title themes) .... Yes
      "very good article!!" . wink Yes
    5. +1
      January 22 2024
      And maybe their own Platonov
      And fast with the mind of Neutons
      Russian land to give birth!
      1. +1
        January 26 2024
        I liked the article very much! good We are waiting for Russian archaeologists to decipher the letter Kohau-Rongo-Rongo, created by the Kechwa Indians! Well, the Polynesians couldn’t create it -- there was no need! We are also waiting for the deciphering of the hieroglyphs of Harappa, Elam, Etruscans, Predynastic Egyptian hieroglyphs, and Cretan Linear A, and we are also waiting for the other Phaistos Discs to be dug up, because the existing one is not enough for decryption! All roads are open to scientists! Unless there is a global nuclear conflict. And if Russia survives. Because everything depends on it.
        I'll watch the video now
    6. +2
      January 22 2024
      “Fortunately, the American was not a decree for the Russian Knorozov.”
      Of course, being an American is not a decree. After all, Eric Thompson is English! )))
    7. 0
      January 22 2024
      Ah, the Mayan religion, between human sacrifices and the prediction of the end of the world, at that time they were already modern!
    8. 0
      January 23 2024
      Smart lady. I really listened to it. I looked at it again. Thank you.

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