The red project became salvation for Russia

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The red project became salvation for Russia


Illness and death


On August 30, 1918, Lenin miraculously survived the assassination attempt of Socialist-Revolutionary Fanny Kaplan. This assassination attempt ruined his health. Since 1921, he was constantly ill, suffering from atherosclerosis, which led to a sharp deterioration in his health and subsequently caused death.



His health was deteriorating, and to better care for him, Lenin moved to the Gorki estate. At the end of May he suffered his first stroke, but his functions were partially restored, and the Soviet leader returned to work in October of the same year. The high workload soon provoked a second stroke: on December 16, 1922, as a result of a stroke - a cerebral hemorrhage - Lenin's right arm and leg were partially paralyzed. Having partially recovered, Lenin returned to the Kremlin and began work on his final articles.

On March 9, 1923, a third hemorrhage occurred, the consequence of which was speech impairment. Lenin was again transported to Gorki, where his health periodically improved, but the disease progressed. On January 21, 1924, the fourth cerebral hemorrhage occurred, death was recorded at 18:50.

Vladimir Ilyich died at the age of 53. On January 23, 1924, the coffin with the body was delivered to Moscow in a baggage car. The coffin was installed in the Hall of Columns of the House of Unions, where the official farewell took place for five days and nights. On January 25, the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR decided to build a crypt near the Kremlin wall among the mass graves and open it to the public. The next day, at the Second All-Union Congress of Soviets, the resolution was approved.


Vladimir Ilyich Lenin on his deathbed. Residence Gorki. January 22-23, 1924

The funeral took place on January 27, 1924 in Moscow on Red Square. For this purpose, a wooden Mausoleum was built. The stone mausoleum was built by October 1930, and Lenin’s embalmed body still rests in it. Since 1925, at the mausoleum there has been a laboratory for the preservation of Lenin’s body.

The Soviet leadership became concerned about the fate of Lenin's body in the event of his death while the leader was still alive: in the fall of 1923, a Politburo meeting was held on this issue. Stalin reported that Lenin's health had deteriorated greatly and death was possible. In this regard, Stalin announced:

“This question, as I learned, is of great concern to some of our comrades in the provinces... Lenin’s body needs to be embalmed. There are the latest methods in this regard, thus preserving Lenin for many years. This does not contradict old Russian customs. Place him in a specially equipped crypt."

Trotsky sharply opposed it. In his opinion, they wanted to bury Lenin "in Russian, according to the canons of the Russian Orthodox Church, saints were made with relics" Trotsky was supported by Bukharin, who considered the idea of ​​embalming "exalting the ashes", and Kamenev, who stated that

“This idea is nothing more than real priesthood; Lenin himself would have condemned and rejected it.”

But in the end, the idea of ​​embalming prevailed. She was supported by Felix Dzerzhinsky (he headed the commission for organizing Lenin’s funeral), Vyacheslav Molotov, Leonid Krasin, Nikolai Muralov. The main motive was the requests of the proletariat and ordinary party members to preserve the body of their beloved leader for as long as possible. This idea was voiced by Kalinin. Lenin's relatives and his wife Nadezhda Krupskaya were against it.


The coffin with the body of V. I. Lenin was installed in the funeral hall of the Mausoleum on January 27, 1924

The black myth of Lenin


After the collapse of the USSR in new Russia, they began to form a black myth about the traitor Lenin and the Bolsheviks, who killed “Holy Rus'”. Like, the Bolsheviks and Lenin destroyed "historical Russia”, in which everything was great - the crunch of a French roll, balls, cadets and beauties, the rapid development of the economy. The Bolshevik commissars and Lenin personally were portrayed as an evil force that killed and trampled the Russian Empire. This myth was supported by both monarchists and nationalists, as well as liberal democrats and Westerners.

Lenin and the Bolsheviks were sculpted into the image of bloody ghouls, mercenaries of German intelligence, who destroyed Russian statehood, overthrew the autocracy, killed the Tsar and his family, unleashed a bloody civil war, drowned the country in the blood of millions of innocent victims in order to seize power. And after the victory, they set up a totalitarian concentration camp in Russia, the “evil empire” - the USSR.

In general, in the Russian Federation, the authorities and circles around the government, the liberal intelligentsia generally hated the Soviet period of Russian history. The totalitarian soviet, Stalinist repressions, the Gulag, they achieved victory by “filling the Germans with corpses.” They allegedly did nothing except galoshes. Although in recent years it has become clear: all that is left in the Russian Federation, more or less developed, is the legacy of Soviet civilization. And it was in the Russian Federation that they killed the highly developed Soviet industry, leaving the state and people without their planes, cars, trucks, ships (the body is ours, all the filling is electronics, the engines are imported), tractors, motorcycles, machine tools and even nails.


Lenin gives a speech in Moscow on Red Square (from Lobnoye Mesto) at the opening of a temporary monument to Stepan Razin. May 1, 1919

The empire was destroyed by the then Russian elite


Historical facts show that it was not Lenin or the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Russian Empire and autocracy. Lenin was in exile, had virtually no influence in Russia before the February Revolution and believed that he would not live to see the revolution. The Bolsheviks were a marginal, small party, which in all respects was inferior to the Cadets or Socialist Revolutionaries. The bourgeois elite of society was dominated by the Cadets and Octobrists, the Mensheviks were popular among the workers, the Socialist Revolutionaries were popular among the peasants, and local socialists and nationalists were popular in the national outskirts of Ukraine.

They had the courage to oppose the imperialist war during the First World War and were almost completely defeated. Some activists were thrown into prison or exiled, others fled the country.

With Lenin, as with the leaders of other revolutionary parties and movements, German intelligence played its own game. There was a war going on, the Second Reich used every opportunity to weaken the enemy. Revolutionaries of all stripes also played their own game, everyone tried to deceive each other. Also, do not forget that the tsarist secret police and intelligence services of the Russian Empire played their game with the revolutionaries.

There is an interesting and not devoid of logic version that Russian counterintelligence, having the best analysts, generally created the Red (Bolshevik) project to save Russian statehood and people. In particular, during the Time of Troubles, a significant part of the officers of the General Staff and the officers of the tsarist army followed the Bolsheviks, as they saw in them an opportunity to save Russia. This was one of the reasons for the Bolshevik victory in the Civil War. The Red project was in the interests of the state and the people, unlike the White one - in the interests of world capital.

The Russian autocracy and the Russian Empire were killed not by Lenin’s commissars and Red Guards, but by the top of “old Russia” - grand dukes and aristocrats, generals and high dignitaries, members of the Duma and leaders of leading parties, bankers and industrialists, the bourgeoisie and liberal intelligentsia. Even the clergy took part in this matter. The wealthy, prosperous and educated part of Russian society wanted to live “like in the West”, to create a “nice” Holland, England or France in Russia. Without a king, autocracy, feudal “remnants”, with rights and freedoms. Create a parliamentary republic. Make Russia part of European civilization. An old dream of Westerners. In 1917, these were the February revolutionaries.

High-ranking and well-off elite groups of Februaryists destroyed the autocracy and opened Pandora's box. Deep contradictions and fault lines have been accumulating in Russia for centuries. Autocracy and a strong army were the last bonds that held back chaos. The February Westerners destroyed them. The Russian Troubles began. War of city and countryside. Criminal revolution. Intervention. War of the Red and White projects. War of the people's project (free farmers) against everyone. "Parade of Sovereignties".


I. Toidze. "The Chief's Call"

The Red Project saved Russian civilization


The Tsarist government, having bought into the tricks of the West and got involved in a world war, and then the Provisional Government led civilization, the state and the people to destruction. The civil war began already under the Februaryists, as a peasant war, a war between city and countryside. The provisional government finished off the imperial army and destroyed the control system. The country was falling apart. Separatists and nationalists, including the Cossacks, who declared themselves a separate people, were tearing Russia apart. None of the main issues have been resolved. The bloody turmoil and the intervention of external forces put an end to the Russian world and the people.

Only the October Revolution saved Russia. Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Russian communists took power that was simply lying in the dirt. They answered the main questions: peace to the peoples, land to the peasants, factories to the workers, power to the Soviets, democracy, the right of nations to self-determination. Russian communists made a decisive break with the past world and did not try to resurrect a corpse. However, they offered the people a new reality and a new world.

The Bolsheviks had an image of a new world, attractive to the overwhelming majority of the people (workers, peasants, part of the Cossacks and officers, intelligentsia), they had an iron will, energy, faith and organization.

The communist ideal also coincided with the matrix-code of Russian civilization and people. It was a community-commune of people living according to conscience and truth. A world without exploitation of man by man, without social parasitism.

It is no coincidence that the ideas of communism coincided with the thoughts of many Russian, Christian-minded thinkers and philosophers. The Bolsheviks were for social justice and rejected the spirit of robbery, appropriation and parasitism (predatory capitalism). Communism stood on the ethics of honest work, solidarity-conciliarity, the unity of society in the work of creation, which also corresponded to the foundations of the Russian world. There were also ideas of the primacy of truth over the law, the spiritual over the material. This was the super idea of ​​a new society of the future. Factories and schools, institutes and laboratories instead of taverns and brothels.

Thus, Lenin and the Russian communists proposed the Red (Soviet) project to the people. They became the only force that proposed a new reality after the civilizational and state catastrophe of 1917. A reality that was close to the Russian matrix. Thus, they saved Russian civilization and people from complete destruction, fading into the role of food for other projects (the West), civilizations and states. They gave Russia new breath and life. They created a Soviet project, a civilization of the future.


L. A. Shmatko. "IN. I. Lenin at the GOELRO map"

Creator of a new reality


Lenin and his party saved Russia from collapse. Russian communists suppressed the unrest with an iron fist. They defeated the White Project - an attempt to restore bourgeois society, to establish capitalism and the matrix of Western society.

The Leninists were able to calm down the village, which opposed any state and authority. We defeated crime, although the fight against gangs dragged on. They defeated the separatists, including the Basmachi (the forerunner of today's jihadists). They forced the intervention troops to leave - all the great powers of that time. Lenin and the Bolsheviks laid the foundation for a new Russian great power - the USSR.

Under Lenin, working people began to receive free housing and free education for the first time - the children of peasants and workers became generals and marshals, ministers and academicians, doctors of sciences and designers, pilots and teachers.

Soviet Russia was the first in Europe to introduce an 8-hour working day, eliminate the brutal exploitation of the working class, and introduce paid annual leave, which previously did not exist. The Bolsheviks introduced universal rights to free medical care and full social insurance. That is, all the achievements of the social state, which the current capitalist plutocrats are consistently destroying.

Lenin became the creator of the social state, a symbol of social justice, who showed all humanity that it was possible to create a new world, to challenge the ruthless world of exploitation and slavery. The mere appearance of social guarantees in Russia, the creation of a state of workers and peasants led to a world revolution and the destruction of the colonial, slave-owning system. All over the world, oppressed and enslaved peoples sought freedom and social change. The world of capitalism had to hide its predatory grin while the Soviet Union was in the world. The West had to create a “showcase of capitalism” - a middle class, a consumer society, and make concessions to socialists, social democrats, workers and employees.

Lenin is a man of global scale. Thanks to the Great October Revolution, the entire world history changed. Many peoples and countries received freedom and unprecedented rights. Lenin is a great philosopher and thinker, economist and sociologist, statesman and politician. Compared to today's dummy politicians, deceivers and talkers, Lenin is a real titan.

In general, in relation to Lenin, the Chinese formula according to their great leader Mao Zedong can be considered correct: more merits than mistakes.

Therefore, the people evaluate the figures of Lenin and Stalin differently than the capitalist plutocrats and Westerners. Ordinary people began to realize that the only way to overcome the current crisis, which threatens Russia with a new catastrophe, is a new socialist project based on social justice and ethics of conscience. The power of the People's Councils, the nationalization of the financial system, banks and strategic industries.

With the rejection of the Western model - predatory, parasitic, from the Western consumer society - the “golden calf”. With the creation of our own Russian world, the reunification of all Russian lands. The creation of a “golden age” society, a society of knowledge, service and creation, where man is a creator, a creator.

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  1. +8
    22 January 2024 04: 19
    ***
    "Time -
    I'm starting
    a story about Lenin.
    But not because
    what grief
    no more
    time
    because,
    what a sharp melancholy
    became clear
    conscious pain...
    ***
    1. +5
      22 January 2024 04: 46
      “Tell me, Who is Lenin?” I quietly replied: “He is you.”
      S. Yesenin "Anna Snegina"
    2. -23
      22 January 2024 08: 16
      the Bolsheviks physically destroyed all classes in the Republic of Ingushetia
      -nobility-2 million people
      -merchants
      -clergy
      -Cossacks-11 Cossack troops.
      -peasantry - 80% of the inhabitants of the Republic of Ingushetia were peasants. The entire peasantry was subjected to severe repression from the beginning of the revolution until our time. The market was destroyed (for example, the Novgorod fair). The Russian peasantry always lived in collective communities, the percentage of individual private owners was small even after Stolypin reforms, and Stalin called the robbery of the peasantry collectivization, which is essentially a vile lie. The peasants were deprived of the productive forces to grow crops, the market, to sell the harvest. Russian culture is primarily a rural culture, not an urban one, this culture was destroyed .
      Agriculture under the USSR was the most backward and was called a “black hole” because no subsequent reforms could revive agriculture.
      Lenin created a patchwork USSR from the monolithic Republic of Ingushetia, which collapsed in the 90s. So Samsonov’s claim that the Bolsheviks saved the country from collapse is a lie.
      All Bolshevik reforms were aimed at the birth of new peoples, for example the Ukrainian, and all this was done at the expense of the Russian people. So the Bolshevik reforms were anti-Russian in direction.
      1. -23
        22 January 2024 08: 26
        Plus from me, but people who did not experience all the horrors of the genocide of the classes you indicated will never understand this and will continue to call the Bolsheviks the saviors of Russia.
        1. +12
          22 January 2024 09: 21
          Quote: Glock-17
          people who did not experience all the horrors of the genocide of the classes you indicated will never understand this

          My second grandfather was from the dispossessed (a mill in the Lipetsk region) in the period from 46 to 55. raised five children and did not deny himself anything, being a handicraft shoemaker. Each family had their own corner with a table (a two-room house with three residential outbuildings). Try to raise five now.
        2. +9
          22 January 2024 09: 58
          Are you a nobleman? I don’t know what you experienced there a hundred years ago. But here's what's happening now. Raising the retirement age. What word can we call the replacement of the indigenous population by migrants?
          1. -2
            23 January 2024 11: 18
            I have no noble roots. I don’t need to relive those terrible events a hundred years ago to understand their brutal essence. There are enough stories from eyewitnesses who are also no longer alive.
        3. +8
          22 January 2024 15: 53
          The saviors of Russia are the Bolsheviks? Yes and no... Thanks to the Bolsheviks in the Russian Federation and the USSR, 90% were liquidated. illiteracy of the population of Tsarist Russia (if, of course, you consider the 3rd grade of the TsPSh to be literate, then the flag is in your hands), social reforms and social elevators. Industrialization, it is clear, was done through the resettlement of the peasantry to the cities, some on their own, some by force... The fact that there were repressions was too much, but Siberia and the Far East were multiplying with this... The Bolsheviks did not build a system of self-cleansing of the party from fellow travelers using party elevators for their own enrichment and power (for example, comrade Yeltsin) The result is the collapse of the country..
          1. AB
            +6
            24 January 2024 09: 28
            You are apparently one of those who thinks that everything can be done with the snap of a finger. Well, snap your fingers and give us proper capitalism in an instant, in which everyone is happy. While watching the films “The Big Break,” I once asked myself the question: how did it happen that adults should study at that age and after work? And I found information that showed that gradually, by the 60s, the communists were able to build a unified education system in its more or less modern form. These things are not done in one day.
            1. 0
              31 January 2024 18: 46
              Don’t forget that there was a war, when there were a lot of street children who didn’t even finish school. In addition, in order to get some kind of technical education, you needed an 8th grade diploma... So we went to school, studied... There are always enough students in evening school precisely because of this phenomenon.
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              1. -1
                6 February 2024 17: 57
                About Australia - don’t tell me, no one can work there for more than 8 hours - it’s too hot though.. About the USA they themselves answered - civil servants received an indulgence..
                1. 0
                  7 February 2024 04: 30
                  that is, translating from Soviet into Russian - you could not refute the facts of the introduction of an 8-hour day BEFORE the emergence of a state based on the fantasies of Marx
                  chtd.
                  thorn of communism" and its mythical impact on something is nothing more than a myth, because the company reduced the working day BEFORE "communism"

                  in order to finish off Soviet fantasies, since you don’t like civil servants so much, although they are also human, no matter how the communists try to insult them as a “layer”:
                  In 1594 year King Philip II of Spain by royal decree known as the Ordenanzas de Felipe II, or Decrees of Philip II, established an eight-hour working day for construction workers in the colonies.
                  Obviously, this king was the first communist - the leader of the proletariat
                  ))
                  It's interesting that "The exception was applied to mine workers whose working day was limited to seven hours"
                  Yes, the monarch surpassed Lenin - he surpassed him in all respects, both in terms of the date of introduction and in the length of the working day

                  ps. and yes, you wouldn’t be funny with your lack of logic.
                  Because the fact of introducing an 8-hour workday without communists clinging to him, remains a fact regardless of your maneuvers.. By the way,
                  The average summer temperature in Australia is 28–30 °C - so hot, so hot that
                  The air temperature in summer in Italy (where they worked for over 10-12 hours) on average +27°C seems to be just the pole of cold.
                  Well, I’m generally silent about Africa.
                  ))
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2024 18: 37
                    Well, it’s spelled out right.... The communist stratum is the intelligentsia... Civil servants, you see, has a broader meaning. Do not be moved by the achievements of communism on the social orientation of the EU countries and America.. When capital has something to lose, then there is time to negotiate with the protesters.. Example of the EU today..
                    Temperatures in Australia are comparable to southern Italy.
                    You don't like Darwinism, for sure??
                    1. 0
                      20 February 2024 10: 54
                      Do not be touched by the achievements of communism

                      Exactly what is spelled out, and not like the communists who were caught in “untruths” and can only cling to other people’s achievements.
                      And only those who studied “history” from Soviet lying textbooks and are not able to look the truth (that is, not the lying communist newspaper) in the eyes can be touched by the “achievements” of this “teaching” that has failed in all respects.
                      The fact remains that in Italy the temperature is comparable to Australia. However, in one 8-hour period, the day was introduced to the point of stupidity from Lenin. So your "argument" about temperature is insignificant.
                      Capitalism (actually, even monarchs, as in the example above) began to improve the situation of workers BEFORE the emergence of the state of councils, so your “theory” about the importance of this state is not valid, it’s time to look the facts in the eye.
                      It’s exactly the same with the “protesters” argument. Attributing all their achievements to the influence of Leninist communists is stupid. Tk The Leninists and Stalinists directly fought with some of the workers' movements. But Now Leninist communists are trying to “seize” the achievements of the entire labor movement.

                      ps. Your fantasies about what I like and what I don’t like have nothing to do with facts. Don't change the topic of discussion, it's too Leninist stupid.
                      1. -1
                        3 March 2024 12: 25
                        You certainly learned history from the most modern pro-capitalist sources... Watch your spelling, and your grammar too... But you shouldn’t spit saliva, presenting isolated facts as evidence.
                      2. +1
                        4 March 2024 00: 29
                        To those Stalinist dropouts caught in commie nonsense, I inform you that
                        1. sources, i.e. documents, cannot be “about something”. Either it is a document or it is not. Everything else is bias, in your case - pro-lying, communist
                        2. You, as always with communists, instead of evidence, have a verbal eruption with a transition to fantasies about your opponent.

                        Actually nothing new. Ordinary Soviet cliches without attempts to comprehend them. I'm sorry, but I can't help you
      2. +8
        22 January 2024 09: 56
        The Bolsheviks destroyed the parasites and the hedgehogs with them on the body of the people!
        1. 0
          5 February 2024 23: 48
          That's for sure. You can even remember some of the parasites by family name, just from the imperishable eccentric in the cap.
          Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, Pyatakov - “the most capable person in the present Central Committee”, “the most valuable and greatest theoretician of the party”, “the favorite of the entire party.” (c) Lenin “Letter to the Congress.”
          Trotsky - forced to emigrate, later killed by a communist with an ice pick
          Zinoviev – Shot after the trial in 1936
          Kamenev - Convicted and executed in 1936
          Bukharin - Executed in 1938
          Pyatakov - 1938 Shot
          but that’s not all, the fate of such a talkative Soviet figure as
          Tomsky Mikhail Pavlovich, Politburo member and trade union leader:
          “We are reproached abroad that we have a regime of one party. This is not true. We have many parties. But unlike abroad, we have one party in power, and the rest are in prison".
          Shot himself before arrest on August 22, 1936 when I read in the newspapers about the beginning of the trial against him. The entire family of M. Tomsky was repressed in the late 1930s. Wife - Maria Ivanovna, sentenced to 10 years. The eldest sons, Mikhail Mikhailovich and Viktor Mikhailovich, were arrested and shot. The youngest son, Yuri Mikhailovich Tomsky, received 10 years in prison and 9 years in exile.

          I wonder if his family remembered the words of their dim-witted father before the verdicts?
          I think I remembered it more than once. Kind swear words, but it’s too late.
          This also applies to your words, by the way.
    3. +11
      22 January 2024 08: 23
      Tall geniuses of creation
      The pores live not for one:
      From generations to generations
      They carry their gifts.
      The legacy of the geniuses of the past -
      Source of eternal goodness.
      Living Lenin's word
      Sounds like yesterday today.
      Night passes. And wider and wider above the ground
      The dawn is rising, it’s bright...
      He didn't die: everywhere in this world
      His works live on.
  2. +14
    22 January 2024 04: 58
    Lenin became the creator of the social state, a symbol of social justice, who showed all humanity that it is possible to create a new world, to challenge the ruthless world of exploitation and slavery

    That is why Lenin has firmly entered history and the consciousness of many people, as a man who created a completely new state, and not just a fiery revolutionary who displaced the old government!
    1. +9
      22 January 2024 07: 16
      Lenin did not just create a new state. He created the future of all humanity, and moreover, he theoretically substantiated its creation.
      1. -9
        24 January 2024 14: 16
        What happened to his state? Funny ....
  3. -5
    22 January 2024 05: 30
    In the tsarist army, children of peasants could also become generals. Denikin is an example of this. The problem is not what class the general is from, but what professional criteria and personal qualities are used to select personnel.
    Gorbachev climbed into power from the combine operators, but turned out to be an ordinary weasel and careerist.
    1. +16
      22 January 2024 06: 18
      Quote: Glock-17
      In the tsarist army, children of peasants could also become generals.

      Was this the general rule or an exception to it?
      How many became (compared to the USSR) generals from peasant backgrounds? Or maybe you think that there was an incorrect selection in the USSR?
      1. +6
        22 January 2024 07: 12
        There is no perfect selection anywhere. Problems begin when there is no staff rotation. The CPSU was completely rotten by the 80s precisely because of the lack of young and energetic personnel. Nothing has changed now either.
        1. +14
          22 January 2024 09: 58
          Quote: Glock-17
          The CPSU was completely rotten by the 80s precisely because of the lack of young and energetic personnel. Nothing has changed now either..

          It's right. The Communists created the Mausoleum, which always received thousands of voluntary visitors, and no one had the desire to pour paint on it. While passing through Moscow, I tried to get into the Mausoleum twice, but some combination of circumstances and the crowd of international delegations prevented me from doing so.
          Edros, on the orders and under the leadership of Putin, built the EBN center and are spending hundreds of millions of rubles of budget money on its maintenance. Has anyone present been there at least once? Who had the desire to get acquainted with the life and activities of a drunkard and a degenerate who shit on airplane wheels and the grass on the White House lawn?
          * * *
          And problems begin when the government gives itself benefits, preferences and lives by its own laws. The intouchability of power gives rise to the desire to take the place of God.
          The principle of democratic centralism was violated in the CPSU when the top leaders stopped accounting for their deeds and achievements.
        2. -1
          30 January 2024 20: 40
          Well, not quite. So they brought to power the “young” Gorbachev, Ryzhkov, Shevardnadze and the rest of the brethren. And what? => Collapse of the country...
      2. -10
        24 January 2024 14: 18
        In the USSR, many generals came from peasant backgrounds. The result is tens of millions killed on the fronts and three wars lost (out of four).
        1. -1
          31 January 2024 18: 52
          [quote]In the USSR, many generals came from peasant backgrounds. The result is tens of millions killed on the fronts and three wars lost (out of four)./quote]
          Specify what wars?
          1. 0
            6 February 2024 00: 24
            Specify what wars?

            the most shameful loss is the First World War. It was Lenin’s communists who signed the “obscene” peace with the Germans.

            Russia's losses from losing the war and the shameful capitulation of Lenin's communists to the Germans:
            demobilize the army and disarm the navy;
            do not claim the Baltic states and part of modern Belarus;
            withdraw troops from Finland and Ukraine;
            withdraw troops from the territory of the Ottoman Empire, as well as transfer to it the districts of Ardahan, Batum and Kars;

            Territorial losses - 1 square kilometers
            Casualties – 56 million people lived on the territory given by Lenin, this is about a third of the population of the European part of the Russian Empire, about 40% of industrial workers.
            Industrial losses
            27-33% of processed agricultural land. land (37-48% of harvested grain),
            26% of the entire railway network,
            33% of the textile industry,
            73% of iron and steel smelting,
            89% of coal production
            90% of sugar production;
            918 textile factories, 574 breweries, 133 tobacco factories, 1685 distilleries, 244 chemical plants, 615 pulp mills, 1073 engineering plants (together accounting for 32% of government revenues).
            So good communists fed their comrades from Germany at the expense of the people of Russia, but real communists don’t care about that!
      3. -1
        6 February 2024 00: 02
        at a glance, without rummaging through encyclopedias
        Denikin - Commander-in-Chief of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1917 and Commander-in-Chief of the All-Russian Socialist Republic - son and grandson of a serf. Denikin's father came from serfdom, but rose to the rank of major, and this is a chief officer rank that gave the right to hereditary nobility. Anton Ivanovich’s mother was a small-scale but hereditary noblewoman and there were no problems with marriage given the obvious difference in class.
        Alekseev, the head of the headquarters of the Republic of Ingushetia in WWI - the son of a Cossack.
        Kuropatkin, Alexey Nikolaevich, infantry general (December 6, 1900), adjutant general (1902), Minister of War, member of the State Council. His grandfather is non-commissioned officer Emelyan Kuropatkin, a native of the serfs of the Yekaterinoslav province. The first wife, Clara Emilia Cecilia Ernestovna von Prussing, is a hereditary noblewoman. This clearly indicates the withering away of class stratification in the Republic of Ingushetia. Family nobles did not hesitate to marry the grandchildren of serfs.
        LUKOV Fyodor Alekseevich, Major General of the RIA, from soldiers' children, began his service as an ordinary soldier, was a clerk, a fourier, a sergeant, and an auditor.
        НIkolay Ivanovich Evdokimov, adjutant general, count, infantry general, son of a Cossack woman and a peasant - an artillery soldier who rose to the personal nobility for the rank of ensign.
        And there are a lot of such examples of social elevators in the Republic of Ingushetia. Most examples of the emergence of new nobles are in the troops. Moreover not only personal, but also hereditary nobility.
        As follows from regimental reports already from the middle of the 18th century, i.e. long before the revolutions, about 1% of officers serving in the army came from peasants. And according to the then current Petrine Table of Ranks, even the lower officer rank (ensign, cornet or cornet) gave the right to receive personal nobility.
        If you rise to the rank of major (later colonel), then along with the rank he became a hereditary nobleman, or if they were awarded an order giving hereditary nobility, or if they were awarded hereditary nobility for merit.
        1. -1
          10 February 2024 18: 57
          The whole 1%!! Despite the fact that peasants made up at least 80% of the population. And there were also workers and townspeople.
          1. -1
            11 February 2024 00: 27
            about the fact that this is data
            from the middle of the 18th century,
            Naturally, you couldn’t Ascend.
            in fact, here is the answer why then there was only 1% - functional illiteracy is typical for advice lovers
    2. +7
      22 January 2024 07: 14
      You’d better compare the data on how many peasant children became people under the Republic of Ingushetia, and how many under Soviet power. Otherwise, operating with isolated examples is somehow not entirely fair.
      1. -2
        22 January 2024 07: 28
        Kornilov, for example, was also a simple man, the son of a Cossack. The point is that there was also an opportunity to get to the top from the simple ones, and this defeats the main trump card of the communists, that we have opportunities that did not exist under Tsarist Russia.
        1. +6
          22 January 2024 07: 40
          It doesn't hit anything. Because the scales are not comparable. And if you had a technical education, you would understand that it is impossible to build a theory on individual cases, even just a few. For this, at least some representative sequence is necessary.

          And - if everything in the Republic of Ingushetia was so bad - how did the Bolsheviks win the civil war? And why did most of the RI officers fight for them? Including such bison as Brusilov and Bonch-Bruevich for example?
          1. -10
            22 January 2024 07: 52
            If you have studied the history of the Civil War, you should know that the bulk of the officers supported the White movement. The beginning of the Volunteer Army consisted entirely of officers (Officer Company). Dutov did not immediately recognize the power of the Bolsheviks and demanded the restoration of the power of the Provisional Government and the Constituent Assembly. The Bolsheviks occupied the central industrial part of Russia, realized the need for total mobilization, had a unified ideology and a powerful propaganda apparatus. There are many factors that helped them win the Civil War. So, not everything is so simple.
            1. +6
              22 January 2024 08: 00
              Yah? Is it true? In the Red Army it turned out to be approximately 45 percent. 55 - in white. But the figures are not very accurate, since the mass of officers generally refused to take sides, and many subsequently went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. Yes, here is the biography of the future Marshal Govorov, examples of this. In general, this year I managed to fight for Kolchak..

              And if this were not so - explain, HOW do you think the Bolsheviks won in the absence of officers?? Fighting on many fronts at once against a bunch of opponents, from Entente troops to local chieftains? Without any outside help?

              Particularly expressive is the fact that from “the most valuable and trained part of the officer corps of the Russian army - the corps of officers of the General Staff” (p. 181) 639 people (including 252 generals) ended up in the Red Army, which amounted to 46 percent - that is, in in fact, about half were General Staff officers who continued to serve after October 1917; in the White Army there were approximately 750 of them (op. cit., pp. 196-197). So, almost half of the best part, the elite of the Russian officer corps, served in the Red Army!
              1. -3
                22 January 2024 08: 08
                I did not say that officers did not fight for the Reds. Trotsky was one of the first to realize that without the help of military experts the Red Army would quickly come to an end. Therefore, the institution of commissars was immediately established to supervise former officers. By the end of the 30s, most of them were cleared out anyway.
              2. -9
                22 January 2024 10: 33
                Quote: paul3390
                Fighting on many fronts at once against a bunch of opponents, from Entente troops to local chieftains? Without any outside help?

                Seriously?
                When 4 armored trains take Azerbaijan - is it war?
                Or when 52 White Czechs hold the defense along 000 km of the Trans-Siberian Railway - apparently it’s also a war?
                Or when Vasily Ivanovich walked for six months by rail from Ozinki to Shipovo?
                Civil is a war of individual detachments of Whites who are unable to come to an agreement among themselves against the formed Red units using rather harsh methods.
                And the Interventionists sat still and robbed/killed/decomposed - without leaving the cash register.
                Cut each other for an idea - as much as you like, but there was no smell of a proper war there.
                Taking into account the fact that the Whites did not even have a general idea, their loss was a foregone conclusion and that is why the interventionists did not particularly support them - with the exception of the Japanese
                1. +3
                  22 January 2024 11: 35
                  Are you kidding me or what? In your opinion, the Bolsheviks created a Red Army of 5 million bayonets at the peak out of idleness and chasing small atamans?? Some kind of liberal nonsense... Especially if you look at the map of the fronts.
                  1. -10
                    22 January 2024 12: 21
                    Quote: paul3390
                    In your opinion, the Bolsheviks created a Red Army of 5 million bayonets at the peak out of idleness and chasing small atamans??

                    Look at the history of Algemba and who built it...
                    Quote: paul3390
                    Especially if you look at the map of the fronts.

                    Oh yes!! The Whites, instead of rolling out a couple of armored trains and advancing along the Samara-Moscow railway line, headed to Kazan.
                    Could COME(!!!) 2 days to Moscow, but Kazan was much more interesting - there was gold there...
                    And so in everything ..
                    You approach the Civil with the standards of the Second World War, but in the Civil there were sections of the “ring of fronts” where there was not a single spacecraft unit for 500 kilometers.
                    Even in the Second World War there were sections of the front where there was no continuous front - in Kalmykia, for example.
                    And in the Civil... I repeat, 52 Czechs for 000 km means that there were a couple of thousand Czechs in every Omsk/Tomsk/Irkutsk. They physically no longer existed. And they posed a threat to the same small detachments of Soviet power.
                    Uralsk was defended for 80 days by 2500 Red Army soldiers and 1.200 warriors - against 12 Cossacks
                    The city of Uralsk had a population of about 50. The building was in the central, rather small part, one and two storey houses, the main array of houses were adobe (walls from 000 cm to 2 meter for heat).
                    Those. It’s possible to defend something like this, but only if the enemy doesn’t really want to take it.
                    The enemy, having learned about the armored train and the armored car, decided - “Well, well... let the gentlemen of the Okhvitsers take Uralsk themselves.”... They pretended to be 3 swoop assaults and that’s all...
                    And then they wrote in textbooks about “heroic defense” (although Sapozhkov had to be excluded from the defense; he turned out to be a rebel later).
                    And so the whole history of the Civil
          2. -5
            24 January 2024 14: 41
            Yes, because a large number of officers and patriots of Russia have already died on the fronts of the First World War. And so the Bolsheviks were supported by the peasantry (which these same Bolsheviks later deceived, not giving anything of what they promised). This is where their “victory” in the Civil War comes from. Fortunately, it's temporary. In 1991 we took revenge on them for everything.
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          3. -1
            6 February 2024 03: 13
            Brusilov

            about the fact that Brusilov "fought"On the Red side - you pulled the owl too hard onto the globe.
            He came to the Reds only in 20, when the Civil Defense was approaching the finals. As far as I know, in production it is military plans of companies Did NOT participate.
            And since 1921 (a year later) he has generally been the chairman of the commission for organizing pre-conscription cavalry training. The most "combat" position.
            Another thing is that the Soviets habitually used his name to lie and deceive. The appeal he signed to the officers of Baron Wrangel’s army called for an end to the Civil War and Amnesty was guaranteed for everyone, going over to the side of the Soviet regime.
            The Soviet lies conveniently forgot this promise later.

            Bonch-Bruevich

            hmm, what did you find so “toothy” in this body?
            Unlike, for example, Denikin (his brigade was called “Iron” for his exploits) and Kornilov (for his exploits - the “Steel” division) he practically did not lead combat units, almost all the time (except for a short time in 14) he vegetated at the headquarters , since 1916, in general, in a nominal position - an assistant.
            wow, what a bison! reminds me of a calf
            1. 0
              7 February 2024 04: 44
              It’s interesting that the singers of communism can only minus, openly object and refute the facts gut-wise.
              silently "fight", in Soviet style
              ))
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        2. +1
          22 January 2024 10: 03
          Quote: Glock-17
          Kornilov, for example, was also a simple man, the son of a Cossack.

          Stop carrying your bourgeois propaganda...We have our own criteria and our own science:
          1. -5
            24 January 2024 10: 30
            Well, yes, the world of cartoons is your science. From a scientific point of view, communism is a complete utopia. It was not for nothing that Michal Sergeich spoke about new thinking.
            1. +2
              24 January 2024 14: 46
              Quote: Glock-17
              From a scientific point of view, communism is a complete utopia.

              Listen, bourgeois glitch! I never said in any message that communism is a reality. Little of. I have always been interested in socialism and social equality. Don't meddle with your fantasies...it's not interesting...
              1. -5
                24 January 2024 17: 38
                Don't bother with your sickening cartoons. Just childhood
              2. 0
                6 February 2024 03: 23
                I never said in any message that communism is a reality. Little of. I've always been interested in socialism

                Come on, my friend. Have you not read the genius Lenin?
                “What is usually called socialism, Marx called the “first” or lowest phase of communist society. Since the means of production become common property, the word “communism” is applicable here, if we do not forget that this is not complete communism...

                In its first phase, at its first stage, communism cannot yet be economically fully mature, completely free from traditions or traces of capitalism.” (V.I. Lenin, Soch., vol. 25, ed. 4, p. 442.)

                So be careful, or you will be known as a counter to Aunt Tatra for separating “full” communism from “inferior” communism))
          2. -1
            24 January 2024 14: 42
            Your “science” has already shown its inconsistency in 1991.
            1. +5
              24 January 2024 14: 48
              Quote: Ingigerda_Olafson
              Your “science” has already shown its inconsistency in 1991.

              And your economy shows this today... Let's see what gift the United States will give when the dollar collapses.
              1. -3
                24 January 2024 15: 28
                What's wrong with our economy?
                1. +3
                  24 January 2024 18: 35
                  Quote: Ingigerda_Olafson
                  What's wrong with our economy?

                  Your economy led to the genocide of the Russian people and the enrichment of a handful of oligarchs, and today we send text messages to children for treatment. You - I don't know. I sent 50 rubles to “8888”...
                  1. -9
                    24 January 2024 20: 37
                    Our economy has made it possible to provide 100% of families with cars. All Russian citizens have the opportunity to purchase any goods in stores without any problems. According to the results of the World Bank report, there is no poverty at all in Russia. We have no beggars in Russia! Actually. Not a single one. And what kind of “economy” did the communists leave us as a “legacy” in 1991? Remind me?
                    1. +5
                      25 January 2024 15: 00
                      Our economy has made it possible to provide 100% of families with cars.

                      This is not true. Let me put it simply - you lied. Subsequent words have the same "value"
                      Remind me?

                      Be kind
                    2. -1
                      28 January 2024 10: 30
                      63%, not 100%
                      And the Soviet government made everyone literate (it was 20%) in approximately the same period. And what is more important? ))
                      1. -1
                        6 February 2024 00: 32
                        Soviet power made everyone literate


                        The 1937 census showed that there were 62 illiterate citizens and 521 literate citizens in the country.
                        In the work of Dr. ist. Sciences Galina Mikhailovna Ivanova “State policy of eliminating illiteracy in the USSR in the 1950s–1960s.” https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/gosudarstvennaya-politika-likvidatsii-negramotnosti-v-sssr-v-1950-1960-e-gg:
                        «according to the 1959 All-Union Census 208,8 million citizens lived in the USSR (162,5 million over 10 years old). There were 99,1 million people employed. Of this number, 23,4 million people did not even have primary education, i.e. 23,6% of the working population. And there were 3,5 million people who were completely illiterate.”

                        I recommend making friends with numbers and at least not deceiving yourself.
                      2. -1
                        8 February 2024 03: 27
                        Now find me an article that examines the policy of a modern state designed to provide all citizens with cars))
                      3. -1
                        8 February 2024 17: 26
                        now go and find at least some numbers yourself, and not the blanket Soviet lies about “universal literacy.”
                        Or is it not convenient for you yourself?
                        “universal literacy” seems to be a hindrance)))

                        ps it’s always like this with the Soviets - you point at the numbers, and they immediately merge into something else
                    3. +3
                      28 January 2024 10: 38
                      There is no poverty at all in Russia. We have no beggars in Russia! At all

                      Are you kidding me?! Go outside! Or is the middle class begging near temples and shops?
                      1. 0
                        31 January 2024 08: 01
                        Don’t pay attention to these “commentators”, you won’t prove anything to them anyway, their job is to piss you off. It is possible that they are paid a lot of money for this. Yes, by the way, the phrase of our beloved president is suitable about such people when he said about the Canadian “Either an i.i.o.t or a scoundrel.”
                    4. -1
                      31 January 2024 18: 59
                      You know, in 1984 things were still not bad at all in the USSR, but comrade Gorbachev put it all away in a few years, passing the flag to EVN, well, that’s where it all ended...
                      1. 0
                        6 February 2024 00: 38
                        in 1984 it was still not bad at all in the USSR


                        book by Alexander Zhavoronkov about Soviet sociological research:
                        “The share of 74% of positive assessments of life in the USSR in 1977 fell in 1990 to 24% (three times!), increasing the share of negative assessments from 10 to 49% (actually five times!).”
                        Taking into account the continuing dynamics of the deteriorating relations of ordinary people towards the USSR, by the summer of 1991 the share of positive assessments had probably fallen further to values ​​close to 5-10%.

                        Two main mistakes of management - a sharp deterioration in the food range from the late 1970s, until the introduction of food cards in a number of cities, i.e. empty shelves. Moreover, the main discontent spread among ordinary women, because they were the main providers of food for the family. They already spent on average about 4 hours a day on housework (together with work for a salary, the result was a 65-70-hour work week), and many hours of standing in queues and scouring for food completely deprived many women of leisure, leading them to emotional burnout and/or brutality.

                        The second mistake was Gorbachev’s anti-alcohol campaign, which began in the spring of 1985. By that time, vodka had become part of the lifestyle of a significant number of men, and the campaign was perceived as a violation of their inalienable rights (“the rights of the common man”).

                        Yes, Gorbach’s biggest mistake was that he took away vodka from drunks, but everything was not bad in the USSR, albeit through the bottom of a cut glass.
                    5. -1
                      11 February 2024 10: 42
                      Your “economy” is the economy of a drunk who does not create anything, but only sells what he gets, but always has a bottle.
                      An example is the civil aircraft industry. The USSR was the only country in the world that produced its own airplanes and helicopters. By the way, 40% of the entire world park. And now what about domestic aviation, remind me.
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        3. -3
          22 January 2024 21: 34
          Kornilov, during the rebellion of his own name, when they were waiting for him in Petrograd to lead the action, he simply decided not to come. Read Miliukov.
        4. +1
          24 January 2024 16: 07
          Quote: Glock-17
          Kornilov, for example, was also a simple man, the son of a Cossack.

          A Cossack and a Cossack’s son were never considered commoners in the Republic of Ingushetia and never were. We need another example.
          1. 0
            6 February 2024 00: 42
            were they really nobles? or the second estate? Or maybe the clergy or merchants?
        5. 0
          30 January 2024 20: 42
          In percentage terms, can you tell me how much then and then? What percentage of the tsarist generals were from peasants/workers. And what percentage under the USSR? Isolated cases are not an indicator...
    3. AB
      0
      24 January 2024 09: 33
      It’s not easy with Denikin, to be honest. Trite Wikipedia: “The landowner gave Denikin’s young father as a recruit.” - already questions. "Mother, Elizaveta Fedorovna (Elzhbieta Franciskivna) Wrzesinskaya[10] (1843-1916)[11] - was Polish origin, from the family impoverished smallholders". And so on. I didn’t study his biography closely, which is obvious. But offhand, it seems that his path was much simpler than that of ordinary peasants. Maybe someone on the topic will correct or clarify the question.
  4. +5
    22 January 2024 05: 38
    . In general, in the Russian Federation, the authorities and circles around the government, the liberal intelligentsia generally hated the Soviet period of Russian history. The totalitarian soviet, Stalinist repressions, the Gulag, they achieved victory by “filling the Germans with corpses.” They allegedly did nothing except galoshes.

    After all, that’s how it was. In the 90s, no one was shy about spitting in the USSR. But, having come to power, the main liberal suddenly took a more neutral position. He left the Anthem (music) to the people. He admitted that the collapse of the USSR was the main disaster in the twentieth century for our country. He recognized the predatory privatization as dishonest...

    They say, well, yes, we went too far, we were wrong... But we won’t correct anything. Everything is in the spirit of “partners”! The Americans also recognized the main reason for the attack on Iraq - the Powell test tube - as a fake. But the job was done.
    The Americans got theirs, just like the capitalists of the Russian Federation, shedding tears at the death of the USSR.
    1. +7
      22 January 2024 05: 53
      He left the Anthem (music) to the people. He admitted that the collapse of the USSR was the main disaster in the twentieth century for our country. Recognized the predatory privatization as dishonest..
      From 1990 to 2000, the official anthem was “Patriotic Song” by Mikhail Glinka. He stated that V.I. Lenin laid down the “bonbu” under the USSR. He created Ukraine, but it’s not clear which one, probably Petliur’s smile
    2. +2
      22 January 2024 07: 47
      Quote: Stas157
      liberal intelligentsia generally hated the Soviet period of Russian history

      The author of the article does not say that the liberal intelligentsia hated the Tsarist period of Russian history and also hates the current government.
      Quote: Stas157
      In the 90s, no one was shy about spitting in the USSR

      In the 90s, no one cared about the USSR, everyone fell into trade, banditry, burnt vodka and the like.
      The article is ridiculous, I liked the beginning - about the embalming of Lenin, I didn’t know that many of the comrades and relatives of the deceased were against such a “burial”.
      1. +6
        22 January 2024 08: 06
        Quote: bober1982
        In the 90s, no one cared about the USSR

        That's how it was. Remember the early 90s! Lerochka Novodvorskaya, Borovoy... Chubais, who plainly stated that they were driving a nail into the coffin of the USSR. And the stream of black films denigrating the Soviet past continues even now. Accused of mining and overshoes in the Soviet period.
  5. +10
    22 January 2024 05: 44
    Lenin's supporters have always been and are proud of the October Revolution, because its consequence was the creation of a much better State, both in development and for the majority of the people, than the Republic of Ingushetia was, and its leader Lenin has always had and still has a huge number of supporters.
    . And Lenin’s enemies have been cowardly whining in unison for 32 years that they all “had nothing to do” with their counter-revolution in their Perestroika, and long ago betrayed its leader Gorbachev, threw him to Lenin’s supporters “and he’s not ours, he’s your communist,” because they admit that they captured the USSR for criminal purposes - to the detriment of the country and people.
    1. +5
      23 January 2024 09: 23
      tatra(Irina)
      I will complement your thought. There is an expression: Everything is known through comparison. Question for those who discredit the USSR and its leaders, the current regime, headed by the current president, has been in power in the Russian Federation for 24 years, would you like to get the results of this rule for this period? If you add 24 years to 1917, when the Bolsheviks took power in the country, you get the date 1941, by this time the USSR had already achieved a lot, what achievements are similar to the USSR in the modern Russian Federation during the same period of time?
      1. +2
        23 January 2024 11: 53
        Well, precisely because the enemies of the USSR admit that they have FOR themselves, FOR the fact that they did nothing, their ideology and propaganda are AGAINST the Soviet communists and their supporters, against everything that they did, manic criticism of how they worked and fought.
      2. 0
        23 January 2024 12: 04
        If you believe in the cyclical nature of history, then 1941 may repeat itself, which would not be desirable.
      3. 0
        6 February 2024 00: 55
        the date will be 1941, by this time the USSR had already achieved a lot

        Okay, let's see what the communists have achieved that is so outstanding. We will rely on scientific works, and not on chatter, as the lying communists love.
        Viktor Zemskov - Soviet and Russian historian, researcher of the demographic aspects of political repression in the USSR in 1917-1954. Doctor of Historical Sciences, chief researcher at the Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
        https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/masshtaby-politicheskih-repressiy-v-sssr-protiv-spekulyativnyh-i-mifologicheskih-postroeniy/viewer
        figures from Zemskov's article
        * from 1.1.21 g to 1.7.53 g 799 people were sentenced to death
        * in 1930 - 1940 About 2,5 million people were in kulak exile, approximately 700 thousand died, the vast majority in 1930 - 1933.
        * in 1930 - 1931, about 1,8 million people were in kulak exile; in 1931 - 1934, 271367 people died in exile - about 15%.
        The total number of dispossessed people is 3,5 – 4 million people.
        * "according to our estimates approximately 1932 million people became victims of the famine of 1933-3".

        "Outstanding successes" of the Leninists-Stalinists, there are simply no words
      4. +1
        6 February 2024 01: 07
        I’ll add for comparison about “bloody” tsarism
        Officially, about 6000 people became victims of political repressions of tsarism, repressed along the “political line” in the Empire over 92 years. MH Gernet, Against the death penalty, St. Petersburg, 1907, p. 385-423; N.S. Tagantsev, Death penalty, St. Petersburg, 1913.

        So
        tsarism - 6000 people in 92 years
        communists - 799 people over 455 years.


        Yes, “The USSR has already achieved a lot of things” - but maybe such successes can go to hell?
  6. +15
    22 January 2024 06: 02
    . Lenin and the Russian communists proposed the Red (Soviet) project to the people. They became the only force that proposed a new reality

    In troubled times, the Red Project became a ray of light in a dark kingdom. He brought the country out of ruin and from the ruins of autocracy to the forefront.
    We are ours, we will build a new world... And we did!

    What project do the current capitalists have? What kind of world are they building and what kind of reality are we living in? Complete uncertainty!
    Looks like troubled times again?
    1. +9
      22 January 2024 06: 35
      What project do the current capitalists have?
      Apocalypse, his name is.
      1. +4
        22 January 2024 08: 34
        Apocalypse, his name is

        Apocalypse translated from Greek means revelation. What is happening now is more like the end of times.
    2. +5
      22 January 2024 07: 12
      Well, what kind of uncertainty is there? Everything is very clear. The project is to fill one’s own purse and further rob the country and people. The world is being built - digital neo-feudalism. With all the consequences for our descendants.
    3. -1
      6 February 2024 01: 10
      And they built it!

      Viktor Zemskov - Soviet and Russian historian, researcher of the demographic aspects of political repression in the USSR in 1917-1954. Doctor of Historical Sciences, chief researcher at the Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
      https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/masshtaby-politicheskih-repressiy-v-sssr-protiv-spekulyativnyh-i-mifologicheskih-postroeniy/viewer
      figures from Zemskov's article
      * from 1.1.21/1.7.53/799 to 455/XNUMX/XNUMX XNUMX people were sentenced to capital punishment
      * in 1930 - 1940, about 2,5 million people were in kulak exile, approximately 700 thousand died, the vast majority in 1930 - 1933.
      * in 1930 - 1931, about 1,8 million people were in kulak exile; in 1931 - 1934, 271367 people died in exile - about 15%.
      The total number of dispossessed people is 3,5 – 4 million people.
      * "according to our estimates approximately 1932 million people became victims of the famine of 1933-3".

      It would be better if the Leninists built a house for themselves, people would be safer
  7. +6
    22 January 2024 07: 23
    No matter how the bourgeoisie may be sputtering now, there is an indisputable fact. The Bolsheviks WON in the civil war. Without any outside help. And this means one thing - they were supported by the majority of the population. And they actively supported it. Because without this, a civil war cannot be won in principle. Consequently, their ideas turned out to be attractive to people, since they decided to take the side of Soviet power. Moreover - I think that now - it will be exactly the same. It’s just that the situation hasn’t matured yet.
    1. -4
      23 January 2024 02: 03
      the slogans were attractive, but they were quickly abandoned and everything was reduced to dictatorship
    2. -4
      23 January 2024 11: 11
      Quote: paul3390
      The Bolsheviks WON in the civil war. Without any outside help. And this means one thing - they were supported by the majority of the population. And they actively supported it. Because without this, a civil war cannot be won in principle.

      Quote: paul3390
      Consequently, their ideas turned out to be attractive to people, since they decided to take the side of Soviet power.

      If in 1991 the Bolsheviks lost miserably to the USSR having military, financial, judicial, political and other forces, then therefore - strictly according to your logic- the people of the USSR did not support them and their ideas turned out to be unattractive to the population.
      Quote: paul3390
      Moreover - I think that now - it will be exactly the same. It’s just that the situation isn’t over yet
      in the 20 century all revolutions were carried out as a result of bloody wars. The exceptions are Cuba and Mongolia.
      Do you think that Russia will lose in Ukraine, and in disgrace?
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        1. +6
          22 January 2024 09: 44
          Well, firstly, not all Soviet citizens, but less than half of the voters of the RSFSR voted for Yeltsin in 1991, one part of whom voted for him as an enemy of the CPSU, the other part for the false image he created of a “fighter with privileges, because these people wanted there to be no “chosen ones”, so that officials could live like the people live.
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    4. +5
      22 January 2024 08: 50
      Quote: squid
      set up a totalitarian concentration camp in Russia,

      Where about the Gulag? Here, in Stalinogorsk, there were already 2 camps. So, after a filter in one of them, the bloody NKVD shoved my grandfather into a mine, gave me half a house, the salary in the 60s was 200-300 (2000-3000 rubles in the 50s), he retired at the age of 50 in the same 60s Well, my grandmother didn’t work anywhere after the war and raised 3 children.
      Quote: squid
      "evil empire" - the USSR."

      What, do you like to quote the actor Reagan? Aren't you an American, citizen?
    5. +6
      22 January 2024 09: 36
      Yesterday, even in the news on Channel One, in the news dedicated to the 100th anniversary of Lenin’s death, it was stated in plain text that he did not have any syphilis, so pass it by. And regarding the “bloodiness”, many kings and great princes say hello to you.
      1. -3
        22 January 2024 10: 41
        Quote from AdAstra
        Yesterday, even in the news on Channel One, in the news dedicated to the 100th anniversary of Lenin’s death, it was stated in plain text that he did not have any syphilis, so pass it by.

        Exactly until the moment when the Doctors' Diary is declassified, any statements on this topic are fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
        At first it was classified for 75 years, then at the request of, if I’m not mistaken, Maria Ilyinichna, the period was extended by 25 years.
        That is, somewhere in the next couple of years they should be declassified.
        The problem is that they will start howling both sides - “he had syphilis!! / the documents were forged!”
        And this again will not lead to trying on sides
  9. +3
    22 January 2024 07: 33
    The Russian autocracy and the Russian Empire were killed not by Lenin’s commissars and Red Guards, but by the top of “old Russia” - grand dukes and aristocrats, generals and high dignitaries, members of the Duma and leaders of leading parties, bankers and industrialists, the bourgeoisie and liberal intelligentsia. Even the clergy took part in this matter.

    Now the story is repeating itself.
  10. +12
    22 January 2024 08: 02
    Lenin is a genius, this is certainly because he had a significant influence on history.

    There is no point in giving him moral assessments; it is the same as giving such assessments to Cromwell, Napoleon or Caesar. The government he created stopped the collapse of Russia - this is also a fact. Whether another government would have done the same thing is not a fact and it is impossible to prove this (or the opposite).

    Lenin is a historical figure, not an idol for worship and not a fiend of hell.

    As a politician, he acted effectively, especially considering the mess in which he had to act, which he did not create. There is no need to create disorder on purpose; it is enough not to maintain order for a while, and the disorder will create itself.

    He used ideology and changed ideological guidelines based on the needs of the moment. I adopted Marx's theory - it was convenient. If he had lived another 20 years, no one would say what would have happened.

    Lenin is part of our history, and anyone who respects our country must respect its history. No need to love.
  11. +7
    22 January 2024 08: 06
    Lenin in Russia should be treated at least as Peter the Great. Peter was a builder halfway through the creation of the Tsarist Empire, and Lenin, from scratch and by the time standards of history, instantly created the Red Empire. Another moment in historical time, Lenin’s disciple Stalin returned the Red Empire to the historical borders of the Russian Empire.
    The temptation is to accuse Lenin of developing the beginnings of the current color revolutions, when power with the help of the state. The coup is achieved with little blood, and then the goals turn out to be inconsistent with the initial goals of the promises, then Lenin, as he promised - factories to the workers, and land to the peasants, so in the end it was fulfilled. Only the factories were given to collectives of workers, and the lands to collectives of peasants. Collectivism ultimately helped the home front survive the Second World War and saved the Red Empire.
    The fact that the generals, the court, the elite, the government and Nicholas II himself were responsible for the death of the Tsarist Empire is their “merit” in the first place. This is not “Peter the First,” who row galleys with sailors. And under such rulers, a coup-revolution would still happen in Russia. Only Russia would probably not exist, since the provinces would have fled. And Lenin-Stalin saved the entire territory of the Empire
  12. -8
    22 January 2024 08: 27
    Quote: north 2
    Lenin, from scratch and by the time standards of history, instantly created the Red Empire

    If anyone created the Red Empire, it was the Russian people under the strict leadership of Stalin
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    2. -2
      23 January 2024 02: 05
      Stalin himself admitted that they had squandered Lenin’s legacy.
  13. -16
    22 January 2024 08: 30
    Quote: S.Z.
    genius, this is certainly because he had a significant influence on history

    Is Hitler a genius too? He also had a significant influence on history, right?
    1. -3
      22 January 2024 13: 17
      Quote: Vladimir80
      Is Hitler a genius too? He also had a significant influence on history, right?

      The exact definition of who a “genius” is is not known. But Hitler was clearly small - not stupid. He argued that if the people themselves, even on their own land, are not able to create a reasonable statehood for themselves, then this people are just a heap of slowly cooling shit... crying
      So the choice here is this: either we admit that the founders of the Russian Federation (RSFSR) and the USSR should have all the honors (like all normal people in all countries of the World), or we admit that our stupid “patriots from the White Guard” are the heirs of Hitler and we one with them. And then it turns out not the History of the People, but Chukovsky’s fairy tale “The Cockroach”

      By the way, Yeltsin did not create a new state, but simply assigned a new name to the former RSFSR and declared “legal succession” in relation to the USSR. And the West quickly agreed with this, because such a figure was exactly what the West was happy with. (It was only the Bolsheviks who spent decades seeking diplomatic recognition)
      Our legitimacy rests on this. Despite the fact that “patriots” regularly poop in the well dug by their ancestors and saw the branch they are sitting on. Especially when they start bleating something about the founders of the USSR.
      Or do you think other interpretations are possible?
      1. -4
        23 January 2024 11: 23
        Quote: ivan2022
        that such a figure was exactly what the West was happy with. (It was only the Bolsheviks who spent decades seeking diplomatic recognition)

        If the Bolsheviks had recognized the tsar’s debts and tsar’s money, they would have been recognized immediately. Within six months maximum.
        In those wild times, scamming states worth several tens of millions in gold was a somewhat unexpected trick... Therefore, intervention (to return/squeeze at least something) and the failure to establish diplomatic relations is completely logical - you will be friends with a neighbor who borrowed a couple of hundred thousand from you and sent you to hell ? You would rather run around the courts or negotiate with a cop you know
        That is why the release of the gold chervonets “Sower” was not recognized by anyone and the RSFSR had to stamp tsarist gold 10 rubles of 1911 to pay for goods from abroad.
        1. 0
          24 January 2024 11: 08
          Therefore, the intervention... is completely logical

          Negotiations with Kaledin and Co. in November and the delimitation of spheres of influence in December 1917 precede the February decree of 1918
          1. -2
            24 January 2024 11: 27
            Persuaded ...
            The interventionists also wanted to snatch something, the whites agreed to give them something. What bothers you?
            “The interventionists started - we responded”? Yes please, I didn't grab it. recourse

            Only the logic remains the same - they threw a lot of money abroad and they tried to minimize the damage. Moreover, the Reds did not even fully understand what they had done.
            I read a long time ago - somewhere in Kazan, or in Perm, the city bathhouse was heated with bills, shares, coupons - securities of the Russian Empire. A foreigner saw this case. He rushed off to Paris, borrowed money, galloped to Moscow, broke through to someone from the Central Committee with a proposal buy all at the rate of 3:1 for francs. I received consent and fell ill. I came to my senses after a month and a half, galloped away - and the bathhouse was still not heated. They burned everything - either in 2 or 3 months belay
            He went to France and shot himself there - from such a blow...
            Tsarist shares of the French loan were quoted on stock exchanges before WWII.
            But here no one understood this and wondered why they didn’t want to be friends with us...
            1. -1
              24 January 2024 13: 29
              Moreover, the Reds did not even fully understand what they had done.

              Why? Here it’s simply not even clear who is hiding under the “reds”, concrete individuals or an abstract human mass?
              Tsarist shares of the French loan were quoted on stock exchanges before WWII.

              Here you can remember Pushkin
              Quote: Alexander Sergeevich

              Dreams Dreams,
              Where is your sweetness?
              Where are you, where are you,
              Night joy?
              He disappeared
              Merry dream
              And lonely
              In the darkness deep
              I am awake.

              wink
              PS
              I read it a long time ago

              A fairy-tale narrative of some sort goes on, if you think about the text.
    2. -1
      23 January 2024 07: 52
      “Is Hitler also a genius? Didn’t he also have a significant influence on history?”

      It’s more difficult with him - he lost. An outstanding personality, there is no doubt about it. An evil genius is also a genius.
  14. -15
    22 January 2024 08: 32
    Quote: paul3390
    No matter how the bourgeoisie may be sputtering now, there is an indisputable fact. The Bolsheviks WON in the civil war

    No matter how the “communists” sputter, they surrendered the country and lost in the 90s...
    1. +3
      22 January 2024 09: 08
      Quote: Vladimir80

      No matter how the “communists” sputter, they surrendered the country and lost in the 90s...

      That's exactly what communists are in quotes. And I, for example, worked with a communist who refused a two-room apartment of an improved type in favor of a more needy one; he himself lived in a smaller two-room apartment, along with his wife, son and his mother.
      1. +7
        22 January 2024 09: 40
        You are right, it was not the communists who surrendered the country, but the “communists” “Polipovs”.
        1. -2
          22 January 2024 15: 38
          And that’s how all these members of the CPSU “who have seen the light” during Perestroika are 100% identical with all the enemies of the communists in the territory of the USSR they captured, it’s not for nothing that the enemies of the USSR since 1991 have imposed them into power in the republics of the USSR they captured and their peoples, and boast about how they everyone with them, “and now it’s better than in the USSR under the communists,” because they had a lot of things.
        2. 0
          6 February 2024 01: 19
          Were there normal people among the communists, not traitors?
          Stalin betrayed Lenin and destroyed everyone! (except for himself) prominent associates of Ilyich, mentioned in the will (letter to the congress) of the “leader of the proletariat.”
          Khrushchev betrayed Stalin by exposing his betrayal of Lenin's comrades.
          Brezhnev betrayed Khrushchev and exposed his voluntarism.
          Gorbachev betrayed Brezhnev and his stagnation.
          and Yeltsin betrayed Gorbachev and overthrew him.
          Not the history of the CPSU (b) - CPSU, but some kind of history of betrayal. Isn't it funny to you yourself? How does all this fit into your Marxist logic?
      2. -7
        22 January 2024 11: 19
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Vladimir80

        No matter how the “communists” sputter, they surrendered the country and lost in the 90s...

        That's exactly what communists are in quotes. And I, for example, worked with a communist who refused a two-room apartment of an improved type in favor of a more needy one; he himself lived in a smaller two-room apartment, along with his wife, son and his mother.

        The question is not about your example or the example of my father - there are many such examples.
        The problem is that the CPSU was no longer capable of governing the country and was incapable of self-purification.
        When the “communists” said “We didn’t know what to do, but Moscow didn’t give orders!” - this is a screen for the responsible workers at all levels for “And I’ll stand near the wall and see how it ends...”
        Rust’s landing is exemplary in this regard - everyone is laid the decision was left to the higher-ups...
        There has never been a greater shame in our army and I hope there never will be.
        But by and large, make a decision - they won’t put you in prison and they won’t even kick you out of the army - instructions. At most, they will ruin your career...
        But no, everyone unanimously decided that a career is more important than some country and some people. Rust could have carried a nuclear bomb or a bacteriological weapon there....
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          22 January 2024 15: 28
          Quote: your1970
          The problem is that the CPSU was no longer capable of governing the country and was incapable of self-purification.

          Quote: your1970
          this is a screen for responsible workers at all levels for “I’ll stand next to the wall and see how this ends...”

          No, chatter about the CPSU is a screen for people like you all. This is not “the CPSU was incapable.” Just in the CPSU there were 18 million people and all positions there, according to the charter, were elected, the CPSU was a huge force. This society, with its feudal traditions and the psychology of serfs, was and is incapable of any self-organization. It first ruined its own workers' party, and then the whole country. This is a whole people “standing by the wall” and watching “how it will all end.” And it ends with him, for which everyone should be congratulated. ON THE SENKS AND HAT! hi
          1. 0
            22 January 2024 22: 15
            Quote: ivan2022
            The CPSU was a huge force

            Quote: ivan2022
            This society, with its feudal traditions and the psychology of serfs, was and is incapable of any self-organization

            Well, it’s clear - “The CPSU is good - they got bad people”
            Quote: ivan2022
            Just in the CPSU there were 18 million people and all positions there, according to the charter, were elective, The CPSU was a huge force.
            - just all - all positions? That is. the party elected MSG, EBN, Kravchuk, Shevardnadze and so on according to the list - all those who directly led the collapse.
            And the most piquant thing is that according to your theory, the “bad people” would not have been able to influence the choice of party; they were not allowed....
            Quote: ivan2022
            It first destroyed its own workers' party,

            So it was not the people who ruined the party - but officials, careerists, lickers of bosses’ asses, and simply crooks who crowded into the party...
            Out of 18 million, not even 100 bosses shot themselves from the shame of betraying the Motherland....
        2. +4
          22 January 2024 15: 35
          Gorbachev's Perestroika is already yours, the anti-Soviet period, the enemies of Lenin.
        3. -1
          22 January 2024 15: 39
          Quote: your1970
          The CPSU was no longer capable of governing the country

          It is you who are unable to understand the simplest things. In any country, the ruling party makes the laws. And the Soviets were supposed to govern the country in the USSR. Because the government was Soviet. But a society with a servile psychology turned out to be unable to promote worthy people to leadership! And to this day, we “rule the country” with an idiotic slogan that has never been seen anywhere in the world; “And for whom else?..........." WELL, GET WHAT YOU DESERVE
          1. +1
            22 January 2024 22: 28
            Quote: ivan2022
            And the Soviets were supposed to govern the country in the USSR.

            Now tell the world - why on earth if the Soviets were supposed to rule according to plan - the CPSU was in charge
            Because of
            Quote: ivan2022
            a society with a servile psychology turned out to be unable to promote worthy people to leadership!
            or because the milked worthy person automatically became a member of the party and was subordinate to the district committee and all superior committees.
            It’s alas, but it was the party that screwed up the USSR..
            Zhukov was able to arrest Beria; the marshals/generals of the end of the USSR were unable to arrest the EBN with the MSG and shoot them. Their maximum was to see if the edges on the blankets were broken off evenly, there was no need to think there; to imitate the brain, Daden’s papakha was
  15. +9
    22 January 2024 11: 38
    Lenin's project saved not only the peoples of Russia, but the whole world from the undivided domination of imperialism.
    Glory to the great Lenin!
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    1. +5
      22 January 2024 15: 33
      Why on earth did the anti-Soviet-Russophobic clique of Lenin’s enemies become popular? And all your anti-Sovietism is a complete lie, slander, hypocrisy, including the fact that you call Ulyanov-Lenin Blank and a Jew.
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  17. +2
    22 January 2024 20: 26
    The Russian autocracy and the Russian Empire were killed not by Lenin’s commissars and Red Guards, but by the top of “old Russia” - grand dukes and aristocrats, generals and high dignitaries, members of the Duma and leaders of leading parties, bankers and industrialists, the bourgeoisie and liberal intelligentsia. Even the clergy took part in this matter. The wealthy, prosperous and educated part of Russian society wanted to live “like in the West”, to create a “nice” Holland, England or France in Russia.

    History is repeating itself with acceleration. wink
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  18. +2
    22 January 2024 21: 56
    Some kind of mess of slogans and no specifics. At first, there was a very long discussion about the death of Lenin and the Mausoleum. Then suddenly conspiracy theories. Then a lot of pathos...
    And little is said.
    The main essence of the red project is that the Bolsheviks proposed a PLAN, a PROGRAM for the RECOVERY and development of the country. And the people believed her. And even that part of the patriotic elite and intelligentsia that did not share the ideas of the Bolsheviks believed.
    The Whites offered only empty pathos, and the restoration of what was and no longer suited anyone. They had no program or plan. Let's wave the checkers to wave the checkers. The white movement is a dummy. They couldn’t even agree among themselves, because there was nothing to agree on.
    And the author did not say that the red state received powerful support from abroad, but not in the form of mythical German money and sealed carriages. Many political forces and sensible people (including politicians and businessmen) realized that they “can do business” with the Bolsheviks, unlike the white talkers. The topic is big, and serious and deep, and the author chatted it up with mausoleums and slogans
    1. +1
      23 January 2024 01: 09
      Quote: futurohunter
      Some kind of mess of slogans and no specifics. At first, there was a very long discussion about the death of Lenin and the Mausoleum. Then suddenly conspiracy theories. Then a lot of pathos...
      And little is said.
      The main essence of the red project is that the Bolsheviks proposed a PLAN, a PROGRAM for the RECOVERY and development of the country. And the people believed her. And even that part of the patriotic elite and intelligentsia that did not share the ideas of the Bolsheviks believed.
      The Whites offered only empty pathos, and the restoration of what was and no longer suited anyone. They had no program or plan. Let's wave the checkers to wave the checkers. The white movement is a dummy. They couldn’t even agree among themselves, because there was nothing to agree on.
      And the author did not say that the red state received powerful support from abroad, but not in the form of mythical German money and sealed carriages. Many political forces and sensible people (including politicians and businessmen) realized that they “can do business” with the Bolsheviks, unlike the white talkers. The topic is big, and serious and deep, and the author chatted it up with mausoleums and slogans

      The article was written about Ulyanov V.I. (Lenin), and not about all the Bolsheviks who were in power for more than 70 years and their achievements. It would be interesting to know in which volume of the PSS V edition the phrases “red project”, “plan and program for the restoration and development of the country” are used. If it's not difficult, please, volume number and page. I have all volumes in stock
      1. 0
        30 January 2024 00: 46
        Aleks24lion
        As far as I understand, the author stole the name “red project” from either Sergei Kara-Murza or Maxim Kalashnikov (more likely, from him). Now I don’t remember in whose book I came across this neologism.
        But the term is not bad, in my opinion, it fully corresponds to the essence of the phenomenon
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          30 January 2024 20: 02
          Quote: futurohunter
          Aleks24lion
          As far as I understand, the author stole the name “red project” from either Sergei Kara-Murza or Maxim Kalashnikov (more likely, from him). Now I don’t remember in whose book I came across this neologism.
          But the term is not bad, in my opinion, it fully corresponds to the essence of the phenomenon

          So I immediately realized that the red project is a modern concept. Ulyanova V.I. Even during his lifetime he was called a Kremlin dreamer. However, fate gave him approximately 5 years of work in the highest government position. From October 1917 to the end of May 1922 (1st stroke). There is a lot of evidence online about the patient’s well-being: incoherent speech, screams, loss of consciousness, inability to perform some arithmetic operations, etc. His wife helped him pick up a toothbrush correctly. Despite such symptoms, he was not removed from the post of chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. There were some meaningful actions during the period of illness, but there were several strokes. With such a mental state, it was hardly possible to develop a program for restoring the national economy and a plan for the development of the USSR for the years ahead. “The head is a dark object. Unexplored by science" (from the film "Formula of Love"). Ulyanov V.I. did not have the physical ability to think about the red project. In moments of enlightenment, he realized that he was dying. The day after his death, his brain was removed. One hemisphere was relatively intact. You can read about the state of the other hemisphere online in the public domain. Declassified
          1. 0
            31 January 2024 23: 56
            Aleks24lion
            I'm not a doctor, but as far as I understand, it's called dementia. And the reason for it was not Kaplan’s bullets, but, in general, the leader’s unhealthy lifestyle. Constant fanatical work, endured imprisonment, lack of sleep, fitful eating, lack of physical activity, and possibly previous infections. In fact, Lenin actually managed to govern the country only before the fatal shots, which provoked a sharp exacerbation of a long-standing chronic illness.
            A dreamer is a dreamer, but even during this period he did a lot, and most importantly, he formed a management team that continued his work
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              1 February 2024 05: 45
              Quote: futurohunter
              I'm not a doctor, but as far as I understand, it's called dementia. And the reason for it was not Kaplan’s bullets, but, in general, the leader’s unhealthy lifestyle. Constant fanatical work, endured imprisonment, lack of sleep, fitful eating, lack of physical activity, and possibly previous infections. In fact, Lenin actually managed to govern the country only before the fatal shots, which provoked a sharp exacerbation of a long-standing chronic illness.
              A dreamer is a dreamer, but even during this period he did a lot, and most importantly, he formed a management team that continued his work

              Ulyanov V.I. (Lenin) - Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. SNK – The highest executive and administrative body of state power of the USSR. Ulyanov V.I. invited Rykov A.I. as his deputies, who during the illness of Ulyanov V.I. performed his duties. And after the death of the leader he became chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, i.e. the main one in the management team of the Leninist type. In addition, Ulyanov’s closest associates V.I. in government bodies there were: Bukharin, Krestinsky, Rakovsky, Pyatakov and others. How did the fairy tale end in 1938? At the trial, these Leninists humiliatingly admitted to espionage, corruption and treason. Why did they have to die with the stigma of cowardly villains? According to Polyak G.I. (USSR State Planning Committee): “...Rykov and others like him were never present at these trials. Even before the trial began, they had long been shot. The trials were attended by persons specially selected for their resemblance and made up, “At the Rykov-Bukharin trial, a person who personally knew Bukharin attended, and he firmly stated that the real Bukharin was not at the trial, someone was only portraying him.” But I. Ehrenburg had another opinion: “I was in the October Hall and saw in the dock, besides Bukharin, several people whom I knew - Krestinsky, Rakovsky. They told monstrous things, their gestures and intonations were unusual. It was them, but I didn't recognize them. I don’t know how Yezhov achieved such behavior. No Western author of hacky police novels could publish such fiction.” After the execution of the sentence, who else remained from Lenin's management team?
              The answer uses information from V.V. Sinitsyn.
              1. -1
                1 February 2024 08: 41
                Aleks24lion
                The topic of repression of the 30s and subsequent years is a completely separate and very large topic; it cannot be discussed in short comments.
                In short, the main reasons were:
                1. The struggle for power in the party and the country (all these notorious deviations)
                2. Intrigues and banal settling of scores between one another
                3. Obvious sabotage activities of the leaders of repressive bodies - Yezhov and Yagoda - there are versions that they were recruited by foreign intelligence services
                4. There is certain evidence that a coup d'état was being prepared, and some of the top party and government officials were involved in its preparation, and even worked for the same foreign intelligence services.
                Why don't I mention Stalin and Beria? Well, firstly, Beria was doing completely different things in those years. Moreover, he had to deal with the consequences of repression.
                Stalin did not have 100% power at all, and his role in the repressions was varied.
                I did not dig deep into the topic, and it is not excluded that the functionaries you mentioned could have become victims of internal party intrigues, were deliberately removed from abroad on orders, or could themselves have been recruited.
                I repeat once again - the topic is very complex, there have been some publications on VO.
                The article was about Lenin, and not about the events that followed his death
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                  1 February 2024 11: 06
                  Quote: futurohunter
                  Aleks24lion
                  The topic of repression of the 30s and subsequent years is a completely separate and very large topic; it cannot be discussed in short comments.
                  In short, the main reasons were:
                  1. The struggle for power in the party and the country (all these notorious deviations)
                  2. Intrigues and banal settling of scores between one another
                  3. Obvious sabotage activities of the leaders of repressive bodies - Yezhov and Yagoda - there are versions that they were recruited by foreign intelligence services
                  4. There is certain evidence that a coup d'état was being prepared, and some of the top party and government officials were involved in its preparation, and even worked for the same foreign intelligence services.
                  Why don't I mention Stalin and Beria? Well, firstly, Beria was doing completely different things in those years. Moreover, he had to deal with the consequences of repression.
                  Stalin did not have 100% power at all, and his role in the repressions was varied.
                  I did not dig deep into the topic, and it is not excluded that the functionaries you mentioned could have become victims of internal party intrigues, were deliberately removed from abroad on orders, or could themselves have been recruited.
                  I repeat once again - the topic is very complex, there have been some publications on VO.
                  The article was about Lenin, and not about the events that followed his death

                  The previous post was about the management team of V.I. Ulyanov. (Lenin). What's wrong? It is shown that it existed from 1922 to 1938. Next was the management team of I.V. Dzhugashvili. (Stalin), which existed from 1938 to 1953. The Lenin Guard was protected right down to the ground. If some odious figures were left alive, it was only by the personal decision of the new leader. The change was not touched, since “a lion does not eat mice.” The second management team did not have any red project, because... In September 1939, the world war began, which ended in 1945 with victory over Japan. There was a nuclear project and the restoration of the national economy. Since 1953, the management team of N.S. Khrushchev was formed, in which there were not only Leninist, but also Stalinist guards. The red project of the third team was to build communism in the USSR by 1980. Built? But it all started with V.I. Ulyanov. (Lenin), and ended in the early 1990s with the collapse of the superpower of the USSR. Nuclear weapons didn't help. So what about the red project?
            2. -1
              4 March 2024 02: 05
              Quote: futurohunter
              unhealthy lifestyle of the leader. Constant fanatical work, endured imprisonment, lack of sleep, eating in fits and starts, lack of physical activity

              ))
              Let's honor Ilyichonka himself, and not Soviet fantasies about him, okay?
              in 1896, Ilyich was placed in a pre-trial detention center in St. Petersburg:
              “Prisoners are allowed to study literature. I deliberately inquired about this from the prosecutor. He confirmed to me that there are no restrictions on the number of books that can be skipped.”
              It is immediately clear that the royal satraps deliberately spoiled the eyes of prisoners with literature!
              From there he writes to his sister:
              “I received supplies from you yesterday, (...) a lot of food (...) tea, for example, I could have successfully opened a trade, but I think that they would not have allowed it, because if I competed with the local shop, victory would undoubtedly remain with me. I now have everything I need, and even beyond what is necessary. My I also get mineral water here; They bring it to me from the pharmacy the same day I order it.”
              He has only one request: “It would be nice to get the oval box with the clyster tube that is in my wardrobe drawer.”
              On the way to exile, he stops, at will, and writes a book. Yes and goes into exile on his own, without security, at government expense and government support.
              Link in Shushenskoye
              “Nadya and I started swimming.” A when the swimming seasons ended - “I skate with great zeal and got Nadya addicted to it” (1899)
              “And Mitya? Firstly, does he follow a diet in prison? Go ahead, no. And there, in my opinion, it is necessary. And secondly, does he do gymnastics? Probably not either. Also necessary. At least from my own experience I know and will say that with I had great pleasure and benefit in doing gymnastics before bedtime. It used to be that you warmed up so much that you even warmed up. I can also recommend to him a rather convenient gymnastic technique (albeit a ridiculous one) - 50 prostrations” (1898).

              Yes, there was not enough physical activity, the damned tsarism only allowed swimming and skates, well, gymnastics. But he didn’t build a gym for the poor thing, didn’t give him a fitness trainer - he had to follow the diet himself! True, it turned out badly, in Lenin’s way, which was reflected in his figure. This is how he reports the arrival of Nadezhda Konstantinovna and future mother-in-law Elizaveta Vasilievna to his mother:
              “Elizaveta Vasilievna said about me: “Eck, you were blown away!” - the review, as you can see, is such that it’s better not to” (1898)
              How, after all, tsarism starved the exiles - they simply became plump, from hunger of course!
              Well, I had to suffer - to get food, exterminating living creatures in the area.
              memories of his wife N.K. Krupskaya
              “Vladimir Ilyich was a passionate hunter, got himself pants made of damn leather and climbed into all sorts of swamps... In late autumn, when slush (fine ice) was flowing along the Yenisei, we went to the islands to look for hares. The hares will already turn white. There is nowhere to escape from the island, they run around like sheep. Our hunters used to shoot a whole boat.”
              Bloody tsarism forced the brave little boy to shoot animals on the islands - when they had nowhere to escape!
              But this was very annoying and took a lot of time, so I had to look for a servant.
              “In Siberia, in general, in the villages it is very, very it's hard to find a servant, but in the summer it’s downright impossible.” (1897).
              How did he live in exile without servants, poor thing? Tsarism really mocked the little girl, forgot to provide him with a personal coachman and cook - he had to look for a servant himself, otherwise what kind of exile is there without a servant?
              And then - he also preferred servants. from a letter from Nadezhda Konstantinovna:
              «We're going to hire a servant, so that there would be no big fuss with the household and it would be possible go for long walks"(Krakow, summer 1914).
              And when did he manage to do everything, the sufferer? And take long walks and pay the servants?
              But later, when he began to live on everything ready-made, having come to power, he did not forget to think not only about the proletariat, but also about his sanatorium
              Lenin Letter to I.V. Stalin. May 19, 1922 // RCKHIDNI. Fund 2. Op. 1. D. 25989 - autograph.
              http://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/31094-pismo-i-v-stalinu-19-maya-1922-g
              "...Isn't it time establish 1-2 exemplary sanatoriums no closer than 600 miles from Moscow? Spend gold on this; We spend and will spend a long time on inevitable trips to Germany.
              But only those where the possibility has been proven can be recognized as exemplary. to have punctually strict doctors and administration, and not the usual Soviet bunglers and slobs.
              29/V.
              Lenin
              PS Secret: In Zubalovo (*), where they arranged for you, Kamenev and Dzerzhinsky, and next door they will arrange for me by the fall, we need to get the railway line repaired and complete regularity of trolley traffic, then quick, secret and cheap intercourse is possible all year round. "
              (*) this is Lenin about the dachas of the communist leadership, to increase “equality” with the proletarians, naturally, and not what you first thought.
              Yes, there weren’t enough dachas, punctual doctors and boarding houses, not enough! for normal nutrition and rest
              1. +1
                4 March 2024 17: 49
                N.M.

                And you, apparently, envy “Ilya”? And you write these kilobytes while lounging on a sofa or armchair? Why not on the bunk? Would you like to spend time in the same prisons where he was imprisoned? No? Why? These were sanatoriums, no less! Don’t you want to contact your “neighbors” with an open form of tuberculosis? Where did the “fiery revolutionaries” get it from?

                And in your insignificant life, have you done anything close in scale to what he did in one day of his? Any pug can yap at an elephant (I didn’t come up with this idea)
  19. -1
    22 January 2024 23: 29
    What do you mean saved?? - they cut up the republics (including Ukraine) according to the image they knew and signed an agreement that they could not re-sign in 91. Why the hell would they do that??
    1. -1
      23 January 2024 04: 37
      Well, what bad communists are, they should have predicted that their enemies would want not only to seize the USSR, but also to divide it among themselves, contrary to the will of the majority of the Soviet people.
  20. 0
    23 January 2024 09: 31
    On the GOELRO map Crimea is painted red!!! Thank you very much for this one photo from me to the Author!!!
  21. 0
    23 January 2024 12: 20
    What kind of Bolshevik article - Propaganda, from the time of the CPSU? The author presented the material in the style of a speech at the Politburo. Completely far from the truth, only really “frostbitten” by the Faith in Bolshevism can drive this nonsense here! Study the author’s archival materials, then you can write something. Maybe you won’t even give a damn about the portrait of your beloved German exile!
  22. -2
    24 January 2024 00: 47
    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
    the Bolsheviks physically destroyed all classes in the Republic of Ingushetia
    -nobility-2 million people
    -merchants
    -clergy
    -Cossacks-11 Cossack troops.
    -peasantry - 80% of the inhabitants of the Republic of Ingushetia were peasants. The entire peasantry was subjected to severe repression from the beginning of the revolution until our time. The market was destroyed (for example, the Novgorod fair). The Russian peasantry always lived in collective communities, the percentage of individual private owners was small even after Stolypin reforms, and Stalin called the robbery of the peasantry collectivization, which is essentially a vile lie. The peasants were deprived of the productive forces to grow crops, the market, to sell the harvest. Russian culture is primarily a rural culture, not an urban one, this culture was destroyed .
    Agriculture under the USSR was the most backward and was called a “black hole” because no subsequent reforms could revive agriculture.
    Lenin created a patchwork USSR from the monolithic Republic of Ingushetia, which collapsed in the 90s. So Samsonov’s claim that the Bolsheviks saved the country from collapse is a lie.
    All Bolshevik reforms were aimed at the birth of new peoples, for example the Ukrainian, and all this was done at the expense of the Russian people. So the Bolshevik reforms were anti-Russian in direction.


    That's right!
    Your conclusions echo the philosophical works of I.R. Shafarevich.

    The Bolsheviks uprooted the Russian peasantry and Cossacks, just as the Nazis destroyed the Soviet people.
    The factories needed new blood - people.
    In the Russian Empire, a village and a city with factories could harmoniously exist.
    The Bolshevik-Jewish clique did not succeed.
    Therefore, they destroyed wealthy peasants so that they would replenish the army of workers in the cities.
  23. -1
    24 January 2024 00: 54
    Stalin had to correct the mistakes of the Russophobe Blank (Ulyanov’s maiden name) for a long time.
    During the years of the civil war, about 19 Russian people died, and vast territories of the Russian land were lost.
  24. -2
    24 January 2024 07: 43
    Lenin is a reptile who destroyed Russia. The filthy scum of history.
  25. -1
    24 January 2024 12: 40
    History does not know the subjunctive mood, but it is always tempting to speculate. If the Bolsheviks had not taken power in October 1917, the provisional government would have continued to sit. Which made so many mistakes and deformities in six months that it’s difficult to list. On the one hand, the slogan of war to a victorious end, on the other, the dismissal of half of the generals and the democratization of the army. It's complete horror. As a result of the work of this group of freaks, turmoil would still have come, there was no other way, but how it would have ended is a separate question. Perhaps the collapse of the Empire according to the 1991 scenario... The Bolsheviks also made a mess, but the country was saved. But 75 years later, it was their descendants who led the USSR to a fundamental collapse, but that’s another story.
    1. 0
      24 January 2024 14: 19
      How many “mistakes and deformities” did the Bolsheviks commit, shall we count?
      1. -2
        25 January 2024 17: 11
        we assume?

        We will. Get started.
  26. 0
    24 January 2024 19: 41
    Quote: Glagol1
    If the Bolsheviks had not taken power in October 1917, the provisional government would have continued to sit


    Yes Yes.
    And if Blank (Ulyanov) had not received money from the Germans and had not come to Russia, then those horrors would not have happened.
    which were then arranged by his henchmen.
    There would have been no execution of the royal family, there would have been no skulls and remains of the children of Nicholas II crushed by rifle butts.

    For reference.
    Bolshevik-shtetl propaganda is silent that during the few years of the reign of Nicholas II, about 2500 (two and a half thousand) death sentences were carried out.

    And at a time when the NKVD was headed by a fellow tribesman of Ulyanov (Blanka on his mother’s side), Heinrich Yehoda (Yagoda) executed more 328 000
    (three hundred twenty-eight thousand) people!

    "Kgovaya tsarist regime", as the local Bolsheviks put it, turned out to be not at all bloody.
    But no one managed to surpass the Bolshevik genocide of the Russian people.

    PS Beria, exposed the crimes of Heinrich Yehoda.
    Released about 380 people from the camps.
    In those days, when L.P. Beria headed the NKVD, 1500-2000 people were executed per year.
    But in the 90s, the small-town liberals who seized power threw Beria into the dust,
    in an attempt to shield his “blood brother” - the murderer of Russians, G. Yegoda.
  27. 0
    24 January 2024 21: 48
    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
    the Bolsheviks physically destroyed all classes in the Republic of Ingushetia
    -nobility-2 million people
    -merchants
    -clergy
    -Cossacks-11 Cossack troops.
    -peasantry - 80% of the inhabitants of the Republic of Ingushetia were peasants. The entire peasantry was subjected to severe repression from the beginning of the revolution until our time. The market was destroyed (for example, the Novgorod fair). The Russian peasantry always lived in collective communities, the percentage of individual private owners was small even after Stolypin reforms, and Stalin called the robbery of the peasantry collectivization, which is essentially a vile lie. The peasants were deprived of the productive forces to grow crops, the market, to sell the harvest. Russian culture is primarily a rural culture, not an urban one, this culture was destroyed .
    Agriculture under the USSR was the most backward and was called a “black hole” because no subsequent reforms could revive agriculture.
    Lenin created a patchwork USSR from the monolithic Republic of Ingushetia, which collapsed in the 90s. So Samsonov’s claim that the Bolsheviks saved the country from collapse is a lie.
    All Bolshevik reforms were aimed at the birth of new peoples, for example the Ukrainian, and all this was done at the expense of the Russian people. So the Bolshevik reforms were anti-Russian in direction.

    Hunger strikes every 3-5 years, 80% are illiterate, here is your “prosperous” Republic of Ingushetia, with its “French bread”. Screenshot to eliminate historical ignorance.
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    3. 0
      5 February 2024 18: 39
      Hunger strikes every 3-5 years

      L. Tolstoy about the famine of 1891 (the so-called “Tsar Famine” - the biggest problems with food due to crop failure during the late empire) and about the famine of 1898, text from 1898:
      "So, if by the word “hunger” we mean such malnutrition, as a result of which illness and death befall people immediately after malnutrition, as it was, judging by the descriptions, recently in India, then There was no such famine in 1891, and there is none this year either. ".
      Tolstoy L.N. Hunger or not hunger? // Complete works: in 90 volumes. - M.: GIZ, 1954. - T. 29
      So, the genius of Russian literature directly refutes the Soviet lies about the “deadly” famine.

      Now let’s see what the “progressive” system brought under Stalin
      According to various estimates, the victims of the famine of 1932-1933 were from 2 to 7 million. The Soviet scientist Zemskov determines the number of victims of the famine in 1932-1933:
      "According to our estimates, about 1932 million people became victims of the famine of 1933-3".

      Those It was under Stalin and the communists that people died of hunger in the millions, unlike the late empire.
      Everything you need to know about the “progressive” USSR, where people died of hunger in the millions

      Will you call Karl or will you yourself be honored to realize how the commies starved people?
  28. 0
    24 January 2024 22: 04
    For the hysterical bread crunchers, little mama, such references so that they can wipe away the wretchedness of the “mighty” RI:
    - from 1914 to 1917 RI produced 264 152 mm howitzers, 366 122 mm howitzers, 122 107 mm cannons and 174 152 mm cannons. France - from 1915 to 1918 - 3094 155 mm howitzers Ml.1915 and Ml.1917
    German Empire - 3504 150 mm SFH13, 13000 105 mm leFH16.
    Feel the difference.
    In 1913, RI produced 1012 cars, USA 1914 - more than 438000 cars, a difference of 438 times, FOUR HUNDRED THIRTY-EIGHT TIMES, CARL!!!
    From 1909 to 1917, Britain built 27 dreadnoughts and 9 battlecruisers, the German Empire - 17 dreadnoughts and 8 battlecruisers. “Mighty” RI, somehow they were awarded seven dreadnoughts, and even then, the power units were imported, the rangefinders and gyrocompass were English, the electrical equipment was German and English.
    Russian pilots flew Farmans, Nieuports, Sopvichs...
    100% of bearings in RI were imported.
    This is just offhand.
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    2. -1
      5 February 2024 18: 31
      Feel the difference.
      In 1913, RI produced 1012 cars, USA 1914 - more than 438000 cars, a difference of 438 times, FOUR HUNDRED THIRTY-EIGHT TIMES, CARL!!!


      The difference with the “mighty” USSR is felt even better.
      in super duper advanced haha The USSR produced 1928 cars (not thousands, PIECES) in 841, those 15% less than in the Republic of Ingushetia. and this is 15 years later, oops.
      In the USA in 1928 they produced 3 pieces, i.e. 163 TIMES MORE than in the “prosperous USSR”.
      Once again, I will highlight for you in words
      THREE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED SIXTY ONE TIMES the USA produced more than the USSR.
      those Soviet “modernization” increased the gap with the United States by almost 10 times. compared to the empire.

      Now that you know the figures about the results of the activities of the government, Ilyichonka and Yoska, it’s time to call Karl, let him help the “Soviet” understand these figures. they themselves are not very adapted to this
    3. 0
      5 February 2024 22: 21
      From 1909 to 1917, Britain built 27 dreadnoughts and 9 battlecruisers, the German Empire - 17 dreadnoughts and 8 battlecruisers. "Possible" RI, somehow they were awarded seven dreadnoughts

      For lovers of station-side Soviet stinking bastards, a small note that they have been wiped out by the stupidity of the “industrial and developed” CCSR, created by Ilyichonka and Oska.

      In Russia 1909-1917, 7 battleships were built; 5 more did not have time to be completed and 2 were laid down due to the February revolution and civil defense. Only three countries were superior to the Republic of Ingushetia in the construction of battleships: Great Britain (28), Germany (19) and the USA (16). The same number was built by such a technically advanced country as France (7). Other countries are smaller, including such developed ones as Italy (6), Japan (6), Austria-Hungary (4), Spain (1).

      That. RI took 4th place. And what can this powerful Stalinist “giant” do?
      And this “industrial giant”, under the leadership of a half-educated seminarian, screwed up as planned.
      None of the 4 laid down battleships of the "Soviet Union" series was completed.
      Even Italy surpassed it - by 1942 it built 3 pieces "Littorio", "Vittorio Veneto", "Roma".
      The half-educated seminarian only pitifully begged for projects from the “damned” capitalists in the USA. And they wiped their feet on him - either they gave permission, or they refused.
      The softest thing At the same time, the Soviets also paid Molotov’s US relatives so that he could help them humiliate themselves by begging. He took a lot of money, but with the battleships, it was a bummer for the seminarian.
      This is the technical “progress” from the Marxists-Leninists, ha ha
  29. -2
    24 January 2024 23: 37
    Another nonsense of a red propagandist, which has nothing to do with history or historical science. In general, history is not for Stalinists and Leninists, because there are no textbooks, archives, historical primary sources, whose learned historians they would recognize, with the exception of those who carry nonsense about the salvation of Russia by the Bolsheviks and ghouls Lerin and Stalin. And they didn’t give a damn about millions of victims. They still sing mantras to the executioners of our Russian, Soviet people.
    1. -1
      25 January 2024 22: 24
      And I'm not at all like you... laughing
  30. 0
    25 January 2024 20: 36
    Quote: SergiK
    who is talking nonsense about the salvation of Russia by the Bolsheviks and ghouls Lerin and Stalin.


    You mixed evil and good.

    It was under Ulyanov (Blanka, whose mother was Jewish) that Russia lost millions of people and vast territories.
    Under Stalin, after the Second World War, the population grew steadily, almost all the lands wasted by Ulyanov and his associates were returned to Russia (USSR).

    The number of victims of the “heavy” Stalinist “regime” is orders of magnitude less than the number of victims suffered by the Russian people during the civil war, which was initiated by Ulyanov (Blank), Leiba Bronstein, and their other ethnic fellow tribesmen.

    The liberals, at the instigation of the scumbag Khrushchev, even attributed about 7 imaginary victims, to the total number of deaths in the Second World War, and Stalin is blamed for this.

    All you need to do is learn history!
    Before the Second World War, during the population census, the estimated population of the USSR was predicted.
    But the census results turned out to be far from expected, there were 6,5 or 7 million people missing, these were the consequences of the civil war.
    The leadership of the census commission “corrected” the numbers so as not to upset the country’s leadership.

    But after the Second World War, the census was carried out as it should, without additions, and in that census there was a hole of 7 people.
    Khrushchev instantly took advantage of this, and in a voluntaristic decision, ordered to attribute these mythical 7 in losses during the Second World War, blaming everything on the Great Stalin.
    1. 0
      25 January 2024 22: 20
      For such words about Lenin, the Great Stalin would have driven anyone...... so far and for a long time that this...... would have died there. And he would have done the right thing.

      Why? Firstly, because it was commonplace, and secondly, simply because Stalin was the leader of the party created by Lenin.
  31. 0
    27 January 2024 22: 37
    Is this a call for a proletarian revolution?
  32. 0
    28 January 2024 17: 52
    And now the red project is salvation for Russia!
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  34. -1
    30 January 2024 01: 26
    The Bolsheviks had an image of a new world, attractive to the overwhelming majority of the people (workers, peasants, part of the Cossacks and officers, the intelligentsia)


    Peace to the peoples was replaced by a bloody civil war.
    The peasants never received the land; no less bloody and cruel collectivization began, which destroyed millions of peasants and ultimately destroyed the Russian village.
    The peasants were turned into slaves, without rights and documents, working without days off or holidays, not for money, but for workdays.
    The workers did not receive factories; they were appropriated by the party nomenklatura.
    Almost all of the Russian officers who went over to the Bolshevik side after the Civil War were repressed and shot.

    As a result, the Jewish revolutionaries did not fulfill a single revolutionary slogan-promise, they abandoned everyone for the sake of personal power.....
  35. 0
    9 February 2024 21: 31
    Quote: N.M.
    From 1909 to 1917, Britain built 27 dreadnoughts and 9 battlecruisers, the German Empire - 17 dreadnoughts and 8 battlecruisers. "Possible" RI, somehow they were awarded seven dreadnoughts

    For lovers of station-side Soviet stinking bastards, a small note that they have been wiped out by the stupidity of the “industrial and developed” CCSR, created by Ilyichonka and Oska.

    In Russia 1909-1917, 7 battleships were built; 5 more did not have time to be completed and 2 were laid down due to the February revolution and civil defense. Only three countries were superior to the Republic of Ingushetia in the construction of battleships: Great Britain (28), Germany (19) and the USA (16). The same number was built by such a technically advanced country as France (7). Other countries are smaller, including such developed ones as Italy (6), Japan (6), Austria-Hungary (4), Spain (1).

    That. RI took 4th place. And what can this powerful Stalinist “giant” do?
    And this “industrial giant”, under the leadership of a half-educated seminarian, screwed up as planned.
    None of the 4 laid down battleships of the "Soviet Union" series was completed.
    Even Italy surpassed it - by 1942 it built 3 pieces "Littorio", "Vittorio Veneto", "Roma".
    The half-educated seminarian only pitifully begged for projects from the “damned” capitalists in the USA. And they wiped their feet on him - either they gave permission, or they refused.
    The softest thing At the same time, the Soviets also paid Molotov’s US relatives so that he could help them humiliate themselves by begging. He took a lot of money, but with the battleships, it was a bummer for the seminarian.
    This is the technical “progress” from the Marxists-Leninists, ha ha

    For those who are on the armored train, I inform you that instead of expensive toy battleships, the USSR built tanks, which turned out to be much more necessary at the front, built aircraft factories, and airplanes turned out to be much more necessary. And the fact that instead of battleships in the 30s they produced tanks and airplanes turned out to be much more effective in war.
    Can you remind me how many thousands of tanks the “mighty” Russian Empire produced? And remind me what planes this RI produced? Don’t cackle about 84 “Ilya Muromets”, the arrogant Saxons produced more than one and a half thousand 1916 and 1918 engine bombers in 2-4.
    And work on tanks resulted in the KV and T-34, and work on aircraft - in Yaki and La, in Il-2 and Pe-2.
    And in 1942 alone, the Izhevsk plant produced more than 4 million rifles, more than the “mighty” RI during the entire WWII.
    And one plant No. 9 in Sverdlovsk produced more 122-mm and 152-mm howitzers than all the factories of the “mighty” RI during all the years of WWII guns of all calibers. Here's the schedule.
    They started building battleships when they decided it was time to start building them. In the early 30s, attempts to propose building battleships were rejected because they were considered unnecessary.
    So, not because they couldn’t help but build battleships, but because they believed, and correctly believed, that tanks, artillery and aviation would be a priority for a future war
    As for payments to the “Molotov relatives” - please send the numbers of payment documents to the studio, when and how much. And without links to newspapers. Only the archive file number and in which archive the file is stored. I bet you won’t get any such references, but you’ll only start referring to someone’s gun violence.
  36. 0
    10 February 2024 10: 51
    Quote: N.M.
    From 1909 to 1917, Britain built 27 dreadnoughts and 9 battlecruisers, the German Empire - 17 dreadnoughts and 8 battlecruisers. "Possible" RI, somehow they were awarded seven dreadnoughts

    For lovers of station-side Soviet stinking bastards, a small note that they have been wiped out by the stupidity of the “industrial and developed” CCSR, created by Ilyichonka and Oska.

    In Russia 1909-1917, 7 battleships were built; 5 more did not have time to be completed and 2 were laid down due to the February revolution and civil defense. Only three countries were superior to the Republic of Ingushetia in the construction of battleships: Great Britain (28), Germany (19) and the USA (16). The same number was built by such a technically advanced country as France (7). Other countries are smaller, including such developed ones as Italy (6), Japan (6), Austria-Hungary (4), Spain (1).

    That. RI took 4th place. And what can this powerful Stalinist “giant” do?
    And this “industrial giant”, under the leadership of a half-educated seminarian, screwed up as planned.
    None of the 4 laid down battleships of the "Soviet Union" series was completed.
    Even Italy surpassed it - by 1942 it built 3 pieces "Littorio", "Vittorio Veneto", "Roma".
    The half-educated seminarian only pitifully begged for projects from the “damned” capitalists in the USA. And they wiped their feet on him - either they gave permission, or they refused.
    The softest thing At the same time, the Soviets also paid Molotov’s US relatives so that he could help them humiliate themselves by begging. He took a lot of money, but with the battleships, it was a bummer for the seminarian.
    This is the technical “progress” from the Marxists-Leninists, ha ha

    For lovers of the stinking crap of the “mighty” RI, I’ll tell you what battleships were built from under Nikolashka.
    So, each Sevastopol-class battleship had 10 Parson turbines. And not just systems, but specifically manufactured by Parson. They were manufactured and tested in Britain, then disassembled, transported to Russia, reassembled here, tested and installed on ships. How the hell would your bast-footed RI be built without English turbines?
    Electrical equipment - generators, most of the executive ones were manufactured by the German "Siemens" (generators) or English factories, a Heisler-type fire control system, the mechanical counting device of which was also made abroad.
    The Sperry gyrocompass came from Britain. The system for connecting the compass weights with the Geisler fire control system was also imported.
    So continue to be delusions of grandeur, as if the “mighty” RI could build battleships.
    And now the icing on the cake. The barbettes for the armored turrets of the main caliber artillery came to the Sevastopol from Austria-Hungary; they were manufactured by the Skoda company. And luckily we managed to buy and deliver barbettes for three Black Sea battleships in advance to Nikolaev. Otherwise, there would be no “emperors” walking across the Black Sea.
    And when WWII began, Skoda showed a fig with barbettes for the Izmails, after which the battlecruisers barked safely.
    Well, what, a “mighty” RI without British turbines and gyrocompasses, without German tuibogenerators, without the Austro-Hungarian main battery barbette towers, would it have set up the battleships itself to hell?
    No, flatulence and excretion of feces will, of course, be significant, but not a single fact from the above will be canceled.
    You will squeal that “this is a fffssssssssssssss lie.” But you need to learn the materiel before puffing up and waving flags. You need to know how battleships were built in the “mighty” Republic of Ingushetia. And not only battleships, but also cruisers and destroyers. And everywhere the turbines are British, the gyrocompasses are British, the electrical equipment is British or American.
    It sucks not to know and forget.
  37. -1
    28 March 2024 11: 22
    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
    the Bolsheviks physically destroyed all classes in the Republic of Ingushetia
    -nobility-2 million people
    -merchants
    -clergy
    -Cossacks-11 Cossack troops.

    Yes, yes, approximately 125 million were exterminated by the bloody Bolsheviks during the Civil War alone. and then they started mowing down everyone!