Simplification of the Brezhnev USSR and the first signs of degradation

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Simplification of the Brezhnev USSR and the first signs of degradation


Stabilization


The new leadership of the USSR - Brezhnev, Kosygin, Suslov and Podgorny, had to take urgent measures to rectify the situation into which Khrushchev had driven the state. Khrushchev's perestroika almost led the USSR to internal disaster (Betrayal of the USSR. Perestroika Khrushchev). And the Berlin and Caribbean crises showed that Khrushchev, with his unpredictability, could lead to a global catastrophe. And the indignation of the people was fraught with consequences; a patriotic leader like Stalin could come to power.



Therefore, the Soviet nomenklatura, which was still ready for the collapse of the USSR into “national apartments,” chose to quietly retire Khrushchev. “Due to old age and deteriorating health.” No one objected to Khrushchev’s resignation: neither the people, nor the intelligentsia, nor the army, nor the party.

Khrushchev's excesses, which almost ruined the Union, were tried to be corrected. The party reforms were immediately cancelled, and industrial and agricultural party organizations were united again. The economic councils, which were killing the economy, were liquidated and normal sectoral ministries were restored. The school “reform” with an emphasis on vocational education was canceled. To avoid the famine that reforms in the agricultural sector led to, food purchases continued abroad. We also actively purchased manufactured goods. Collective farmers were given back the opportunity to have personal plots. Collective farms' debts were written off. Religious persecution, which began again under Khrushchev, was curtailed.

We tried to normalize the development of industry. They brought in Kosygin, who actively promoted his program even under Stalin. The independence of enterprises expanded, self-financing mechanisms were introduced with the ability to use part of the profits for social, everyday and cultural needs. Material incentives for workers and employees were introduced.

This allowed us to achieve good results in the first period. The Eighth Five-Year Plan (1966–1970), which passed under the sign of Kosygin’s economic reforms, became the most successful in the Soviet stories and received the name “golden”. However, then the reform was curtailed. Conservatives were afraid of development; they preferred stability and peace (The Brezhnev era: from development to stagnation). The focus was on the export of resources, oil and gas. Now the problems could be solved by the availability of currency.


US President Lyndon Johnson (right) and Chairman of the USSR Council of Ministers Alexei Kosygin at a meeting in Glassboro. 1967

The people have faded away


The Stalin era showed what miracles the Russian (Soviet) people can create when they are united with the leader. When there is a great idea. When a person becomes a creator and creator. When all opportunities for developing personal creative potential are open. When 5–12 children of peasants became marshals and academicians, ace pilots and great designers. The society of knowledge, service and creation gave the USSR the keys to heaven. Powerful creative energy. She allowed us to perform real miracles and heal the most terrible wounds.

And without a bunch of churches, mosques and synagogues. Social justice and ethics of conscience allowed Soviet citizens to be more moral people than, for example, citizens of the Russian Federation in the 2000–2020s.

Brezhnev could not decide to rehabilitate Stalin personally and his era. This was his main personal mistake. Although de facto, much of the developments of that era were used and restored. This allowed the USSR to be a superpower.

But The main thing they did under Khrushchev was to deprive the state and people of a source of creation. The energy and enthusiasm of the people gradually faded away. It was no longer possible to lift him up and inspire him to great achievements. The last surge was during the development of virgin lands. But the vector was wrong; this epoch-making event only worsened the situation of the people and the economy. “They called on us to “catch up and overtake America,” and promised that “the current generation will live under communism.” But the outrages and mistakes that were made in this campaign undermined and killed the popular impulse.

Under Brezhnev, the party also tried to use loud slogans. “Decisive” and “defining” years, the “five-year quality plan”, etc. were proclaimed. Impact construction projects were announced again - KAMAZ, BAM, Atommash, giant gas and oil pipelines that stretched from Siberia to Europe. But the hype now turned out to be mostly for show. Ceremonial farewells for youth and Komsomol members were held for the public. Komsomol activists or “decoy ducks” showed joy and enthusiasm (which was repeated in the current era, but on an even larger scale). For many, high-impact construction projects have become a source of good income.

It was already decomposition. Although powerful infrastructure projects were useful for the state and the people. Development by inertia still continued. The “Soviet spaceship,” aimed at the stars, became more and more powerful and modern. The bad thing was that the government was “bronze” and no longer thought about development.

The potential of the Union was gigantic. By the 1960–1970s, the education system established under Stalin began to operate in full force. Under him, despite all the problems, poverty and lack of resources, a lot of effort and resources were invested in science, education and culture. From the 1950s to the end of the 1960s, government spending on education increased 12 times! The number of scientists has increased 6 times. A quarter of all scientists in the world worked in the USSR! There were 5 million students studying at universities and half a million teachers teaching them.

This made it possible to achieve enormous successes in science, thanks to which Russia is still alive today. Large-scale space and military programs were carried out, advanced nuclear energy was rapidly developing, and first-class combat vehicles were being made. Brilliant discoveries were made in the field of physics, mathematics, biology, chemistry and other sciences. The prospect of connecting scientific and technological revolution with production appeared. This opened up unprecedented opportunities.


Postage stamp of the USSR, 1974

The Big Deal and the simplification of the USSR


However, the nomenklatura chose to slow down development, which ultimately stopped it and led to “stagnation” and Gorbachev’s perestroika (destruction, catastrophe of Soviet civilization). A big deal was made with the people. The nomenklatura got the opportunity to live for their own pleasure, without stress, constant development and self-improvement. And the people got the opportunity to live in the Soviet analogue of a consumer society. Consume more than was possible without linking it to productivity growth.

In essence, the new Soviet world, which under Stalin was built as a new world of the future (“beautiful is far away”), challenging the Western civilization of slave owners and slave-consumers, succumbed to the old world. And gradually he began to give up one position after another, abandoning the future for the sake of a well-fed present. The simplification of Soviet society and civilization began. Which was the cause of the disaster of 1985–1993.

There is a gradual simplification of society, and then decomposition. Not all scientific institutions and research institutes brought real benefits and were engaged in business. A lot of scientists needed to be placed somewhere, to be occupied with something. Many scientific, scientific and educational institutions began to deal only with paperwork, producing reports that no one needed. Even the best developments and innovations were rarely introduced into production; they were drowned in bureaucracy and shelved. In particular, in the space and military spheres there were many developments, including breakthrough ones, which could significantly improve production and accelerate the development of society and the economy. But they were usually not implemented.

The Soviet intelligentsia has grown greatly. According to the 1979 census, it already accounted for 19% of the population. At the same time, equalization was introduced in the USSR under Khrushchev, and it was preserved later. The incentive to get an education, develop and improve was lost. “Bespectacled people” received 100 rubles each, and loaders, laborers and builders earned good money. And with the development of the Soviet consumer society, the Soviet intelligentsia began to believe the beautiful pictures of Western films, believed in the “showcase of capitalism” with 100 varieties of sausage, cheese, beautiful clothes, personal cars, taverns and other elements of a beautiful life.

As a result, the bulk of the Soviet intelligentsia supported perestroika and paid dearly for it. It was destroyed and became semi-poor.

The structures of the bureaucracy swelled, the number of managers and apparatchiks at all levels grew, but the quality of management fell. Although compared to the current (“effective” managers), it was still very good.


Continued degradation of the village


The Russian village, which had barely begun to recover after the war, was destroyed by Khrushchevism - the development of virgin lands, the liquidation of unpromising villages and other destructive reforms and campaigns. Under Brezhnev they could not really restore it. Urbanization continued to the detriment of the countryside.

At the same time, Soviet cities, like urbanization in general on the planet, killed the reproduction of the people. In cities, people gave birth to 1-2 children. People worked and lived for themselves, within the framework of the emerging consumer society. In a consumer society, children are not born. They are unnecessary and interfere with consumption and pleasure. In the USSR during this period they were unable to implement a full-fledged “garden city” program. Although, again, in comparison: Soviet cities and modern Russian ones are heaven and earth. They tried to make Soviet cities convenient for the people: large parks, playgrounds, sports and children's playgrounds, kindergartens, schools, universities with large areas for children and youth, cultural centers, clinics and hospitals, etc. A lot of greenery.

Intelligent and energetic young people left for the cities. They left to serve in the army or went to study, and did not return. Usually those who did not find themselves in the city returned. Not the best. Many became drunkards. Alcoholization of the people is another scourge of the Brezhnev era.

But in the village there was the strength of the Russian people, their reproductive and spiritual power, the tradition of unity and conciliarity, which made it possible to overcome any difficulties and disasters. If in 1939 the share of peasants in the USSR was 47–48%, then by 1979 it had fallen to 19%.

Brezhnev himself paid great attention to agriculture. Large funds were allocated for its development. But qualitative changes were minimal. Villages learned to live off government subsidies. Due to external support: soldiers, students, teachers, employees, etc. were involved in the “battle for the harvest.”

Village destruction and over-urbanization have become serious sources of new problems. The countryside was the main source of population growth in the country. Now this spring has dried up. The housing problem, consumer society, material problems, living in high-rise buildings that are not suitable for large families have led to a decrease in the birth rate. At the same time, living conditions were much better than before and after the war, but the birth rate fell by almost half. Payment for urbanization, transition to an industrial, urban society.

The creation of a society of knowledge, service and creation was required. Where children are needed to develop knowledge and creativity. To explore the vast expanses of Russia, the depths of the oceans and space. Human development. But such a society was destroyed and gradually adopted a surrogate of Western consumer society.

Abortion, which was legalized in 1955, dealt a big blow to the birth rate. “Modern” society, again a copy of the “developed West”, the trend of “living for oneself”, women’s emancipation, the increase in the number of abortions and divorces crippled the demography of the USSR. The alcoholization of the population suffered especially great damage. It caused high mortality and falling birth rates.

In this case, a dangerous imbalance in population growth begins: “unpromising” Russian villages in Great Russian provinces are dying. The Russian people reproduce poorly in cities. The peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, who, thanks to Russia-USSR, achieved unprecedented success in spiritual and material development, multiplied rapidly. Which has now become the main prerequisite for the national migration threat in the Russian Federation.

To be continued ...
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  1. +9
    18 January 2024 04: 45
    The bad thing was that the government was “bronze” and no longer thought about development

    This is very accurately noted!
    1. +24
      18 January 2024 04: 52
      and what is happening now? The Brezhnev years seem like a “golden time”...
      1. +9
        18 January 2024 04: 55
        Quote: Aerodrome
        The Brezhnev years seem like a “golden time”...

        Well, it’s still known by comparison
      2. +7
        18 January 2024 07: 14
        The Brezhnev stagnation was a golden time not only for ordinary people, but also for the growth of industry and agriculture. Such rates were unthinkable in the 90s and 00s.
        1. -1
          24 January 2024 13: 58
          I dare say that in the 6s GDP growth was 7-2008 percent per year. By XNUMX they had grown a lot.
          1. 0
            11 February 2024 18: 18
            Quote: Glagol1
            I dare say that in the 6s GDP growth was 7-2008 percent per year. By XNUMX they had grown a lot.

            So, growth from a low base is achieved relatively easily. It is more difficult to maintain such growth rates for a long time. The growth of China from the 90s to the present moment is significant.
      3. +3
        18 January 2024 10: 57
        Quote: Aerodrome
        The Brezhnev years seem like a “golden time”...

        That's it, it APPEARS! State capitalism has forgotten that the USSR is inhabited by people, and they tend to strive for a better life and an increase in their well-being. Therefore, the result is natural. There were no smart people like in China! Currently, United Russia reminds me of the CPSU, where people have an electorate that they remember before the elections. Where they paint beautiful pictures of the “well-fed” life of Russian citizens. The system has changed, but the management methods have not changed. If the real standard of living of the population grows, if 70% of the population lives comfortably in this country, then it has a future. Otherwise, everything will be taken away from the bourgeoisie and divided. There is another option - they will leave the country in search of a better life. But these are those who do not want to fight for their place in the sun. hi
      4. +5
        18 January 2024 19: 02
        Quote: Aerodrome
        and what is happening now? The Brezhnev years seem like a “golden time”...

        During this "golden time" the disintegration of the Communist Party began. The mafia fusion of the party, trade and cop mafia has intensified. All the people shouted at the parades Hurray! And these quietly ate, as if out of their minds. Which later served as a plus for the collapse of the USSR. Why ? Yes, because every collective farmer, worker, engineer and military man understood what was going on under the rug in the Regional Committees, City Committees, Torgakh and Min.Torg. Who eats richly and drinks sweetly in a quiet place under the blanket. He puts money in his pocket, buys gold and speculates on the deficit, hiding behind slogans about justice and care for working people. . The country was rotten. Rotten from the head. That's why 20 million members of the CPSU did not stand up to defend their Motherland. That's why the army sat in barracks when the USSR was destroyed. The proletariat was silent.
        1. +6
          18 January 2024 19: 14
          But there was a feeling of a Great Country. Fair, powerful, a stronghold of peace throughout the globe. I knew that my friendly handshake would be answered in Lvov, Tallinn, Grozny, Dushanbe, Alma-Ata, Uzhgorod and Kyiv. I was confident in the strength of my beloved country.. Yes, Leonid Ilyich... I remembered the words of his Granddaughter ----"You can’t even paint everything that was built under my grandfather!”
        2. +5
          19 January 2024 15: 18
          Quote: 30 vis
          During this "golden time" the disintegration of the Communist Party began. The mafia fusion of the party, trade and cop mafia has intensified. All the people shouted at the parades Hurray! And these quietly ate, as if out of their minds.

          The people and the party are united - only the shops are separate. © smile
          What kind of trust of the people in the authorities can we talk about in a country where, outside the cities of the special and first category of supply, this is happening:
          So this is what is being done. How should I feed my family, what should I feed my children? Today I went to the market and saw speculators selling laundry soap for 1 ruble. piece and I couldn’t buy it. In our time, when there has been no war for 30 years, where did all this go? There is no fish, hake, flounder, cod - this is generally a shortage. There is sometimes pollock, but this is also rare. And there is no talk about chocolate candies at all, they don’t even exist. Flour shortages. Please explain that this is happening only in one of our cities or is there a similar situation somewhere else? I stood in line for sausage, it was 60 and I bought 1 kg. for my family, they didn’t give any more.
          The city committee of the party is not very concerned about the situation in the city; we call it the “White House”. And where will he worry when the communists shop separately in their buffet in the evening, so that people don’t pay attention. Even the watchman lives well there; he brings home four sticks of smoked sausage and condensed milk. They don’t see the need, what they need, they will be brought to the buffet by car, they will buy it, but what about the common people. Please explain what kind of situation has developed in our city, because there is no longer any strength to tolerate such disgrace.
          © An anonymous letter from a resident of the city of Chusovoy to the editor of the newspaper “Pravda” about the disgraceful supply of food and essential goods to the city. March 1980

          This is the same city where the market reported that everything was fine with supplies; coupons (in 1979-1980!) were sold according to the norm - 200 grams of butter and 500 grams of meat per person per month. In January 1980, however, there was no oil at all - but nothing, it was an everyday matter.
          1. +1
            20 February 2024 00: 14
            outside cities of special and first category of supply


            But under Stalin, everyone lived equally badly
            Letters from 1939 - 1940 - all the kulaks are already in exile, the enemies have been shot, there is no war, but there is hunger.
            Compiled by Elena Aleksandrovna Osokina - Candidate of Historical Sciences, senior researcher at the Institute of Russian History of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The documents themselves are stored in the Russian State Archive of Economics (RGEA).

            • S. Abuladze - V.M. Molotov
            “Dear Vyacheslav Mikhailovich! Again, someone’s criminal paw has disrupted the supply of Moscow. Again queues since night for fats, potatoes are gone, there is no fish at all. There is everything on the market, but it’s also scarce and at quadruple the price. As for consumer goods, there are more and more unemployed people standing in endless queues, some flint guys and janitors, early cleaners or unemployed people. Now there are collective farmers who often put what they bought into chests as currency. What should a serving person do? We don't have time to stand in lines for hours or pay exorbitant prices at the market. Vyacheslav Mikhailovich! Is it really impossible to regulate the supply of food and consumer goods? We ask you, as our deputy, to help eliminate any fraud and lack of culture in supplies, because queues develop the worst qualities in people: envy, anger, rudeness, and exhaust people’s souls. With utmost respect, S. Abuladze. December 19, 1939

            Eh, it’s good to live in a Soviet country....
  2. +13
    18 January 2024 04: 59
    The best years of my life were 70-88, then everything went downhill... I am not in poverty even now, but I no longer have the excitement, pride, that confidence and calmness. hi
    1. +9
      18 January 2024 10: 10
      Unsre Lee, you are getting old, so there is no excitement))))). We were young, we didn't know any other life. Now many people think about Brezhnev’s “golden” time, but even then there were big problems, especially with “getting” food and manufactured goods. I am from the Orenburg region, but in the republics there were fewer problems with provision. For some reason Russia was like a stepson. Times and problems change.
      1. +3
        18 January 2024 13: 50
        Anguish crawls like a lizard in the bones,
        And the heart with a sober head is not on knives,
        And it doesn't take your breath away at speeds,
        The blood doesn't run cold on turns.
        And he doesn’t catch his throat from love,
        And the nerves are no longer a stretch, if you want, tear it up,
        Nerves hung like clotheslines,
        And it doesn’t matter who wins - him or me.
    2. -2
      18 January 2024 10: 13
      “Social justice and ethics of conscience allowed Soviet citizens to be more moral people than, for example, citizens of the Russian Federation in the 2000–2020s.” -
      the author did not read the 1926 Criminal Code of the RSFSR. For example, Art. 151-155. Moreover pedophiles belay luminary for "perverted forms" at a maximum of 8 years, and without there are 3 of them belay year.
      So with “morality was higher,” the author was in a hurry
      1. +2
        18 January 2024 12: 37
        So with “morality was higher,” the author was in a hurry

        Is the level of morality determined by the level of punishment for breaking the law? And not, for example, taking your example as a basis - 1) the number of pedophiles and 2) the number of punished pedophiles?
        1. +1
          18 January 2024 13: 39
          Quote: A vile skeptic
          So with “morality was higher,” the author was in a hurry

          Is the level of morality determined by the level of punishment for breaking the law? And not, for example, taking your example as a basis - 1) the number of pedophiles and 2) the number of punished pedophiles?

          Criminal Codes always work with what they have - if there is an article for pedophiles, then there are pedophiles, if there is no article for anti-Soviet propaganda, then there is no Soviet power.
          No government introduces articles into the Criminal Code for the sake of an isolated case; this is always a fairly widespread phenomenon.
          If society is now shouting “Shoot them!! Impale them!!” (I personally am for life without amnesties or pardons - the risk of mistakes remains, and you can’t fill a bullet hole), but then 5 years was considered quite sufficient - I think modern society is more moral.
          For your sake, I won’t look for statistics on pedophiles, but the fact that underage prostitutes before 1935 were not unusual is something I came across in my memories.
          Or do you consider the position “Yes, 5 years is enough for him!! Just think - with a minor!!” more moral than now?
          Even if we consider that there was only one pedophile in the USSR at that time and he was caught, after 1 years he was released calmly, “To freedom - with a clear conscience!!”
          1. +1
            18 January 2024 13: 57
            Management companies always work with what they have

            This is understandable, but I would modify the interpretation a little. Management companies are always built on the basis of historical experience and incorporate this experience. Even if a miracle happens and maniacs, murderers, rapists, robbers disappear, the Criminal Code and the articles in it will still remain - what if the above-mentioned individuals appear again.
            For your sake, I won’t look for statistics on pedophiles.

            So, do it not for my sake, but for your own sake.
            but the fact that underage prostitutes were not unusual before 1935

            There is a huge gap between “were” and “no wonder”. And if everything is clear with “were”, then it’s not “outlandish” that already requires confirmation. Just what suddenly happened in 1935 that after that they became a “curiosity”?
            If society is now shouting “Shoot them!! Impale them!!”

            Wait a second, let's see the difference between the Criminal Code and the wishes of society. Well, or confirm the position of society of the 20-30s in the form of your words
            "Yes, 5 years is enough for him! Just think - with a minor!!"

            You can not?
            And for some reason, when you wrote about Articles 151-155 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, you forgot to compare them with Articles 134-135 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Can you tell me why? I can tell you
            1. -1
              18 January 2024 19: 40
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              Even if a miracle happens and maniacs, murderers, rapists, robbers disappear, then will still remain and the Criminal Code and the articles in it - what if the above-mentioned individuals appear again.
              -the USSR died - and someone left in the Criminal Code "anti-Soviet propaganda" or "theft of collective farm property" or "Article 101. Crimes against state or public property of other socialist states"???
              Or did someone leave in the Criminal Code of 1926 the second section of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Ingushetia - about crimes against faith?
              According to your theory - what if the USSR or the Russian Empire returns - but there are no articles...... sad...
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              There is a huge gap between “were” and “no wonder”. And if everything is clear with “were”, then it’s not “outlandish” that already requires confirmation.
              -mmmmm.....you 5 Are the articles of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 not enough? Or do you continue to believe that a sentence of 3 years for a minor is because this did not happen in nature??
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              Wait a second, let's see the difference between the Criminal Code and the wishes of society. Well, or confirm the position of society of the 20-30s in the form of your words
              "Yes, 5 years is enough for him! Just think - with a minor!!"
              -however, you famously attributed my statement to the society of 1920-30 SUBJECT
              Quote: your1970
              Or do you consider the position “Yes, 5 years is enough for him!! Just think - with a minor!!” more moral than now?
              1. +3
                19 January 2024 12: 03
                According to your theory - what if the USSR or the Russian Empire returns - but there are no articles...... sad...

                Oh-ho-ho, how neglected everything is. There are no articles “anti-Soviet propaganda” or “theft of collective farm property” because there are no object of the crime - councils and collective farms. In the case of “crimes against faith” or, for example, “royal persons” it is similar - there is no “non-secular state” and “monarchy”. And murders, rapes, etc. in the Criminal Code of the world in which murderers and rapists have suddenly disappeared, they will remain because the object of the crime - a person - still exists.
                And yes, accept the phrase “they are built on the basis of historical experience and contain this experience.” since you perceived it (in the “and Baba Yaga is against” style) is very indicative from the point of view of the adequacy of perception.
                mmmmm.....are 5 articles of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 not enough for you?

                This in no way can be a confirmation of your words - “underage prostitutes before 1935 were not unusual". I wrote to you clearly - “There is a huge gap between “were” and “not unusual.” Do you know the numbers and trends? Obviously not. But at the same time, you use speech patterns that are designed to create a very specific semantic range based on pure lexicology - “not uncommon” means “not rare”, “not rare” means “often”. Although in any science (in our case sociology, statistics and other applicable ones) there are no concepts like “often-rarely”. Only “more often or less often.”
                or do you continue to believe that a sentence of 3 years for a minor is because this did not happen in nature??

                Manipulation. Attributing to the interlocutor something that he did not say. Show me where I think that there was no pedophilia at that time? Even if it was written - “And if with "were" everything is clear, then it’s not “outlandish” and already requires confirmation.”
                -however, you famously attributed my statement to the society of 1920-30

                Oh, is it speculative? wassat And what figures of speech allow us to understand this? And if you have it “supposed”, then why is it used as an argument? After all, this was preceded by - “If society is now ..., and then I thought“Oh, how inconvenient it turns out. After all, both are statements, not assumptions.
                The verdict is another manipulation. On the one hand, they compare the Criminal Code, and on the other, the opinion of society. And when they ask why you didn’t compare it with such and such articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, they simply ignore it. As well as the question why the degree of punishment is a criterion of morality.
                1. -2
                  19 January 2024 12: 23
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  As well as the question why the degree of punishment is a criterion of morality.

                  “Society in the USSR was highly moral”/“The criterion of punishment is not an indicator of morality” - did you feel better?

                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  And when they ask why you didn’t compare it with such and such articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, they simply ignore it

                  Not an ounce is ignored. I agree, 4 years at the maximum is not enough - but this is not 3 years at the maximum in the USSR. I wrote my position on this issue above
                  1. -1
                    19 January 2024 13: 09
                    do you feel better?

                    I didn't feel "hard"
                    "Society in the USSR was highly moral"

                    And this was not the subject of our conversation
                    "The criterion of punishment is not an indicator of morality"

                    Then why did you use it to argue in your comparison "then and now"? Manipulation?
                    Not an ounce is ignored.

                    If it had not been ignored, then this comparison would have been in at least one of your previous texts. I will say more, our conversation simply would not have arisen.
                    I agree, 4 years at the maximum is not enough - but this is not 3 years at the maximum in the USSR. I wrote my position on this issue above

                    If I were harmful, I would suggest that not only the maximum, but also the minimum punishment for a crime matters. And how is your “position” doing here? Or is 3 months of correctional labor the same as 3 years of imprisonment? tongue But I'm not harmful, I won't say that wink
                    1. 0
                      19 January 2024 13: 34
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      this was not the subject of our conversation

                      Initially- было
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      So with “morality was higher,” the author was in a hurry


                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Or is 3 months of correctional labor the same as 3 years of imprisonment? But I'm not harmful, I won't say that

                      Because the 1926 Criminal Code does not set a lower limit? Or out of “non-harmfulness?
                      1. -1
                        19 January 2024 14: 19
                        Initially it was

                        Our conversation with you? Of course not. The subject of our conversation was whether the degree of punishment is a criterion of morality. After all, it was you who began to build an argument for less morality on this.
                        P.S. Again, you are attributing words that are not mine to me in the quote. And this time even yours wassat
                        Because the 1926 Criminal Code does not set a lower limit?

                        No. Because it turns out that after 1926 you would get a prison sentence for molestation in any case; now you can get away with 3 months of correctional labor.
                      2. -1
                        19 January 2024 15: 57
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        After all, it was you who began to build an argument for less morality on this
                        - I argued that the author ascribes high morality to the Soviet people. I cited articles of the Criminal Code to confirm the insufficient validity of this statement.
                        From these articles it follows that, for example, pedophilia and prostitution existed both then and now. The short period confirms that this crime was not considered particularly dangerous by the state

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You again attribute to me words that are not my own in the quotation. And this time even yours
                        I’m quoting as much as I can from my phone
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        No. Because it turns out that after 1926 you would get a prison sentence for molestation in any case; now you can get away with 3 months of correctional labor.

                        Article 46 defines the lower limit only for crimes against the Soviet government; for all others, there is no lower limit.
                        Article 28 determined that deprivation of liberty could be established within the range of 1 day up to 10 years.
                        Therefore, the court could impose a month of imprisonment - all at the discretion of the court
                      3. -1
                        24 January 2024 10: 19
                        Therefore, the court could impose a month of imprisonment - all at the discretion of the court

                        If you pretend that you don’t understand what was meant, then it’s not difficult for me to explain - at the discretion of the court, you then still received imprisonment. Now you can get correctional labor. And it doesn’t matter what the term is, since now there is no lower limit either - in one case the punishment is more severe, in the other - less.
                        From these articles it follows that, for example, pedophilia and prostitution existed both then and now.

                        It was already explained to you above why this cannot be an argument of the “level of morality”. You can simply re-read the correspondence again.
      2. 0
        19 January 2024 21: 27
        It’s strange that you decided to measure morality. However, at least you are trying to do it. The author undertakes to compare who is more moral, without offering any indicator at all. I’m wondering if this moment didn’t raise any questions in anyone’s mind that would undermine the trust in other material?
  3. +8
    18 January 2024 05: 08
    In terms of style and turns of phrase, the article is very reminiscent of M. Kalashnikov.
    But in essence, everything is true.
    I heard this phrase somewhere...
    What was built in the USSR cannot even be painted in Russia now.
    And there’s nothing to say about the rest...
    Although, I’m not ashamed of “Old Man”...
    (I'm not Belarusian, so what? :)
  4. +6
    18 January 2024 05: 21
    Every idea requires development. And if you pray to a great teaching like an icon, then nothing will work out. Communists around the world at that time found themselves in a very difficult situation. The working class and peasantry began to melt. And the communists never found the right one for new trends approach. Talk about Eurocommunism surfaced again. But this was not the only thing that undermined the USSR. Valuable workers and the party itself turned into officials. China’s breakthrough in confronting the USSR sowed doubts about the correctness of the chosen course. There are other important reasons.
  5. +3
    18 January 2024 05: 48
    a patriotic leader like Stalin could come to power.
    For example?
  6. +12
    18 January 2024 06: 04
    “We tried to normalize the development of industry. We brought in Kosygin, who was actively promoting his program even under Stalin.”
    So Kosygin ruled the economy even under Khrushchev. In general, it’s funny to read such opuses, which present the “corn grower” as almost a fiend of hell.
    1. -1
      18 January 2024 07: 57
      Quote: Burer
      In general, it’s funny to read such opuses, which present the “corn grower” as almost a fiend of hell.

      Khrushchev was the leader of the USSR, he did a lot of good things, there should be respect for the former Hero of the Soviet Union and three times Hero of Social Labor.
      And, after all, it was under Khrushchev that the persecution of the Church was comparable to the persecution of early Christians by the Roman emperors, but still there is a tiny feeling of sympathy for Nikita Sergeevich, he was too energetic, very passionate, no matter what he undertook.
      1. +7
        18 January 2024 08: 11
        Khrushchev was the leader of the USSR, he did a lot of good things, there should be respect for the former Hero of the Soviet Union and three times Hero of Social Labor.
        The number of awards given by a leader to himself is not a criterion for the usefulness of his policies for the state. The disastrous “Virgin Land” backfired on the introduction of cards in 1964. I saw this as a child.
      2. +8
        18 January 2024 08: 38
        Quote: bober1982
        Khrushchev was the leader of the USSR, he did a lot of good things

        For example? I would really like to remember “a lot of good things,” because for some reason I only remember a lot of failures and critical mistakes. Even their own party-crats friends were stunned by this and hastened to remove the “effective” one...
        1. +5
          18 January 2024 08: 43
          Quote: Doccor18
          Even their own party-crats friends were stunned by this

          His, Khrushchev’s, party-crats’ friends were not much different from himself, they turned out to be just luckier.
          1. +5
            18 January 2024 09: 47
            Quote: bober1982
            They were just luckier.

            I would say we took a more balanced approach to everything.
      3. +1
        20 January 2024 01: 33
        After his retirement, no one deprived Khrushchev of any state awards or titles.
    2. +3
      18 January 2024 11: 30
      Kosygin smelled terribly. Because the introduction of profit into a planned socialist economy means that a person is either a pest or simply doesn’t understand a damn thing about what he’s doing..
      1. -1
        18 January 2024 19: 52
        Kosygin smelled terribly. Because the introduction of profit into a planned socialist economy means that a person is either a pest or simply doesn’t understand a damn thing about what he’s doing..
        Actually, this is true, but if we use an analogy with the NEP of the 20s, where they also allowed similar deviations for several years, and then stopped this dangerous experiment when it had fulfilled its role. The Kosygin-Liberman reform was also curtailed, but instead of developing Stalin’s 1952 work on the economic problems of socialism, no development strategy was developed. And starting from the Yom Kippur War (1973), net dollars began to rain on the USSR. This is the reason for the stagnation - development has stopped, you can do nothing, and that’s fine.
  7. +1
    18 January 2024 06: 15
    The fact that the enemies of the USSR have been selflessly “sucking up” the Soviet period for 32 years, the way the communists and their supporters worked and fought, is a consequence of the fact that they have nothing for themselves, for their anti-Soviet period. They all have “nothing to do” with what they did during their anti-Soviet period, starting with their anti-communist Perestroika.
    1. +1
      18 January 2024 06: 45
      Quote: tatra
      since their anti-communist Perestroika

      Why their? Perestroika was conceived by Gorbachev, and the other communists all approved of it, sir! wink
      1. +2
        18 January 2024 06: 53
        WHOM do you call communists? Those who, since Perestroika, slander the Bolshevik communists, justify the crimes of their external and internal enemies, praise Nicholas II with nonsense, as for the communists, “Russia fed the whole world,” praise the “best, most hard-working” kulaks, the White Guards?
        The only thing that the enemies of the USSR have proven by their cowardly shifting responsibility to the communists for their Perestroika, counter-revolution, the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR into their anti-Soviet-Russophobic States is that you, like supporters of the USSR, recognize all this as a crime against the USSR and the Soviet people.
        1. +2
          18 January 2024 07: 01
          Quote: tatra
          WHOM do you call communists?

          For example, Gorbachev. Or the first secretary of the Sverdlovsk regional committee of the CPSU B. Yeltsin. And there is also a deputy. editor of the magazine "Communist" E. Gaidar. I will also name the head of the department of scientific communism at the Ural University G. Durdulis G. Burbulis. It's enough?
          1. +2
            18 January 2024 07: 35
            How can you call the enemies of communists communists? Or are Vlasov and Karbyshev the same generals and members of the Communist Party for you? Or is CPSU member Irina Khakamada the same for you as Brezhnev?
            The enemies of the USSR are fed up with their mental fear of the slightest responsibility for what they did.
          2. +6
            18 January 2024 11: 33
            How many times have they said that what makes a person a communist is only his deeds, and not at all the presence of a party card. Now, you wouldn’t call a thief, rapist and murderer who regularly goes to church a Christian, would you? After all, he violates absolutely all the commandments! Or will you?
            1. +3
              18 January 2024 14: 34
              Quote: paul3390
              How many times have they said that what makes a person a communist is only his deeds, and not at all the presence of a party card. Now, you wouldn’t call a thief, rapist and murderer who regularly goes to church a Christian, would you? After all, he violates absolutely all the commandments! Or will you?

              With this approach, liberals are, without exception, holy organizers and democratic innovators. After all, we will remove all the bad ones and will not be considered liberals.
      2. +5
        18 January 2024 06: 54
        the other communists all approved, sir!

        Well, maybe not all, but the overwhelming majority... We still don’t remember the Komsomol leaders of the 80s, who turned out to be the organizers of the first “cooperatives”, and later, after the collapse, they “took over” factories and factories...
      3. 0
        18 January 2024 11: 28
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Why them? Perestroika was conceived by Gorbachev, and the other communists all approved of it, sir!

        I don't think it's worth entering into a discussion here. Why ? They all lie or refuse to see obvious facts. Let those from whom the feeding trough was taken away smash and brand those who took the wealth of Russia into their hands, and also desperately lie about the fact that everything is fine in Russia. Let them blow each other's minds. A person can only create a life for himself in which he will be comfortable. But to believe words is at least naive! People be careful!!!! hi
    2. -1
      18 January 2024 06: 52
      The enemies of the USSR have been selflessly "sucking" the Soviet period for 32 years

      what are you talking about, please explain the idea
      1. +3
        18 January 2024 06: 59
        What do not you understand ? Anti-Soviet propaganda, manic criticism of how Soviet communists and their supporters worked and fought, justification of criminals of the Soviet period, including all 10 million criminals who passed through the Gulag over 30 years, the mythical “Holodomor” is the basis of the ideology of the enemies of the USSR who captured the USSR, and the only justification for their seizure of the USSR in 32 years.
        But they are afraid to honestly discuss themselves, what they themselves, and people like them, did over the 106 years of the Soviet and their anti-Soviet periods, everything is immediately cowardly “has nothing to do with it.” .
        1. -1
          18 January 2024 07: 27
          mythical "Holodomor"

          so it was the Ukrainians who “inflated” him...
  8. +12
    18 January 2024 07: 05
    Why this sucking in of what happened under Brezhnev, maybe we’ll also discuss the economy of the times of Ivanov Vasilyevich? I don't see any achievements right now. So tell us how roads are built without storm drains. How apartments smaller than Khrushchev buildings are built
    1. +9
      18 January 2024 07: 24
      Quote: Gardamir
      how roads are built without storm drains. How apartments smaller than Khrushchev buildings are built

      This is impossible, because this way you can get to friends of friends, but this is absolutely useless...
    2. +4
      18 January 2024 08: 21
      And what is most touching is the housing renovation program.
    3. +5
      18 January 2024 11: 23
      Why this sucking in of what happened under Brezhnev, maybe we can also discuss the economy of the times of Ivanov Vasilyevich?
      We need to find the culprit? smile We were starving, they brought food from abroad. I lived in a village, then they kept all kinds of animals. A turkey with turkeys, a goose with geese, a rooster with chickens, and they also kept pigs and a cow... and a dog ran around the yard and cats caught mice .Someone also kept nutria, since nutria is not only valuable fur, but also 8-12 kg of tasty dietary meat. And now? This horde that was before cannot be fed. Now there are two laying hens running around in the yard, so as not to buy eggs and that’s it. So then, what was there, everyone dragged it to the market... It was a pretty penny. The feed could be ordered from the collective farm for free, the cow grazed in the personal herd of the collective farmers, they hired a shepherd, on the collective farm land by the way. Now, graze... all around private or municipal .. A collective farm, dug ponds, had its own fish .. and traded it. And the compound feed, not all of it, of course, was produced by its own workshop, they bought something, so the fish was cheap. Now we are growing “goldfish”, the workshop booed During privatization, food is imported, we reduce production and raise the price of products. We sell to elite restaurants, and to those whose salary is not 24 thousand.
  9. +3
    18 January 2024 07: 13
    Many “miracles” happened under Brezhnev. The more the party government grew old and could not offer anything promisingly new to the people, the more the ranks of members of the Communist Party of the SS swelled. The phony social competition with postscripts was also clear not only to those who attributed it. Party organizers also knew about them... But still, the ranks of CPSU members swelled, as did the ranks of those who suddenly became believers in God under Yeltsin and found themselves on their knees to be baptized at the altars and on the porch. Moreover, from party organizers of an ordinary plant, to members of local and central party committees. From the court and the conclusion that in the Brezhnev era such an order was established that you must join the CPSU if you want to achieve at least something in life, but in your soul you can be an ordinary changeling, and not even grieving at all, if the USSR collapses. The main thing is then, in front of everyone, he will cross himself in time and snatch some factory or otherwise rob the country. You may say, how did the USSR last so long? And on the foundation laid during Stalin’s lifetime. It lasted for fifty years...
    1. +2
      18 January 2024 09: 26
      Quote: north 2
      Fake social competition with postscripts

      But why are they suddenly fake, and even with postscripts? My father was repeatedly the winner of social competitions at a defense enterprise. Real, not fake and without postscripts. I already know my father! A very honest person. A hard worker of Soviet origin.

      It should be noted that there were more honest people then than among today's qualified consumers.
      1. +1
        19 January 2024 15: 30
        Quote: Stas157
        But why are they suddenly fake, and even with postscripts? My father was repeatedly the winner of social competitions at a defense enterprise.

        This is the reason for the authenticity of socialist competition. wink
        And at the same time, the same cotton industry existed. Where plans were constantly fulfilled and exceeded... and then it turned out that all the above-planned cotton (and even part of the planned cotton) somehow dissolved on the way to the fabric. Everything in the documents is neat, but there are no finished products. But by some miracle, up to a quarter of the cotton harvest, without being reflected in any documents, traveled half the country, went through all stages of production and went into the “gray zone” - as fabric for workshop workers and others.
        Telman Khorenovich, remember, was quickly hit on the head as soon as he began to find out where the threads from the leadership of the Central Asian republics were going. Like, you were told to deal with Rashidov and others - so don’t go any higher.
        And there were also the wonders of Soviet trade and service sectors. In which high-profile cases, even with “towers,” were the norm.
    2. +3
      18 January 2024 09: 28
      And you have Bashkirs lynched.
      ****
    3. +3
      18 January 2024 10: 39
      But still the ranks of CPSU members swelled
      Did they force you into the party with kicks, at gunpoint? Did you conduct any special raids? smile
  10. +5
    18 January 2024 08: 11
    The author lists the facts, and to interpret their meaning and logic, he comes up with artistic images like: “simplification”, “the party has become bronzed” and so on..... This is kindergarten level.

    In fact, back in August 1917, Lenin, in his work “State and Revolution,” pointed out that after revolutions, when the old ruling class has already been expelled and the new one has not yet subjugated the State as an instrument, a period of “a state without a ruling class” is characteristic. Led by a leader like Napoleon or Bismarck.

    And subsequently a new ruling class is formed in the state. It can be both progressive and reactionary.

    In the Russian apolitical society of the descendants of serfs, this class turned out to be simply thieves. Thieves and bandits today are our only layer capable of self-organization.

    And under Khrushchev, this transitional moment was noted at the 20th Congress in the form of the CPSU’s rejection of the idea of ​​the dictatorship of the proletariat. The people didn't care about it at all. He did not understand what was done and does not want to understand even today. “The Russian peasant needs a Tsar and a whip,” as Alexander III said.
    1. +2
      18 January 2024 14: 53
      Quote: ivan2022
      In the Russian apolitical society of the descendants of serfs, this class turned out to be simply thieves. Thieves and bandits today are our only layer capable of self-organization.

      And under Khrushchev, this transitional moment was noted at the 20th Congress in the form of the CPSU’s rejection of the idea of ​​the dictatorship of the proletariat. The people didn't care about it at all. He did not understand what was done and does not want to understand even today. “The Russian peasant needs a Tsar and a whip,” as Alexander III said.

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  11. +8
    18 January 2024 08: 21
    The author wants to live like under Stalin, seriously? And there is no need to blame Brezhnev and his era; the country really lived normally and happily in the full sense of these words. There were disadvantages far beyond them. And to say that under Brezhnev the country degraded, apparently Samsonov is not given the laurels of one famous politician declaring: “Yes, under Brezhnev there was a lot of other things, which ultimately led to the collapse of the Soviet Union,” probably this is the trend and the author switched from alternativeism to politics, better I would write about her. Shame.
    1. +1
      19 January 2024 15: 38
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      And there is no need to blame Brezhnev and his era; the country really lived normally and happily in the full sense of these words. There were disadvantages far beyond them.

      Yeah, “certain shortcomings”.
      Here is the situation in the city of Perm at the end of an era dear Leonid Ilyich:
      We, workers of the Ural Chemical Plant, cannot buy anything in our stores. There is absolutely nothing to feed the family. Is it really impossible to somehow improve the nutrition situation in our time? We demand an improvement in the food supply and must introduce coupons for receiving meat and dairy, as was introduced in the cities of Sverdlovsk, N. Tagil, Kizel, Gubakha, Gorky, Izhevsk and others. Only then will we be able to somehow buy groceries after work. We are surprised how the stores implement the plan when we see almost nothing on the shelves in grocery stores. Meat comes to our Kirov region, but we don’t see it on sale, because it’s not on the shelves.

      © Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the CPSU Central Committee and local party bodies with a request for the introduction of food stamps. May 1979

      Normal, huh? After 60 years of Soviet power, people are demanding the introduction of coupons for meat and milk. Moreover, they refer to the experience of other cities in which these coupons have already been introduced. And what cities - Sverdlovsk, Gorky, Nizhny Tagil...
  12. +1
    18 January 2024 08: 35
    A little one-sided. For example, regarding urbanization and migration of people from villages to cities, this would have happened in any case. Before this, it seems that people in the villages didn’t even have passports, if only they had them locally. And now you want people to go to the villages, create conditions, jobs, and everything... People will immediately be drawn because many are tired of cities and want to be closer to nature. But instead, nothing, you want to live in the countryside, be so kind as to have a car to go to work in the city, no internet, no normal shops, and a toilet on the street at -30 - that’s harsh village romance. That is, literally in 70-80 years, the majority of villages in Russia have not become more attractive, one might say time has stopped there....
    1. +3
      20 January 2024 01: 43
      I don’t know, I was born in a village, I’ve lived in the city since college. But he’s absolutely not drawn to the village. The maximum is a trip to communicate with relatives, help them, go mushroom hunting, etc. That is, it’s not bad to relax there, especially in the summer. But to live constantly - excuse me...
    2. +1
      20 January 2024 01: 46
      To be fair, in my village even in the late Soviet period people had bathrooms in their houses. But there were also “houses of an unknown architect” in the yard, one did not interfere with the other. And in many neighboring villages, some people lived in two-story and three-story apartment buildings with amenities.
    3. +1
      20 January 2024 01: 51
      In the village, my mother hasn’t had a proper store for several years now; a food truck comes in, plus some of the groceries can be bought at the post office. But the Internet is not bad from MTS, and on TV through the dish she can watch a couple of hundred channels. On the second TV there are two dozen mandatory channels for free.
  13. +1
    18 January 2024 09: 18
    The Stalin era showed what miracles the Russian (Soviet) people can create when they are united with the leader. When there is a great idea. When a person becomes a creator and creator. When all possibilities are open

    When there is socialism.

    5–12 children of peasants became marshals and academicians, ace pilots and great designers.

    Now the generals have their own children. And the dreams of qualified consumers in a capitalist society are completely different.
    1. -4
      18 January 2024 10: 00
      Quote: Stas157
      Now the generals have their own children.

      “And the marshal has his own grandchildren” (c) was invented in 1970 - not now...
      1. +3
        18 January 2024 11: 42
        “And the marshal has his own grandchildren” (c) was invented in 1970 - not now...


        Yes, but there was one caveat. Take the eternal starley as an aircraft technician in those years. His salary was quite decent and he received a pension of 250 rubles upon retirement. So there was no particular need to make a career. Now in the army, pay depends more on position than on length of service. And it becomes worthy only among senior officers.
        1. -2
          18 January 2024 13: 21
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          pension in 250 re he received upon leaving it

          I strongly suspect that he had no trace of such a pension.
          Republican pensioner - 160 rubles, union pensioner - 250
          The civil pension ceiling is 120 rubles. When my grandfather was raised to 1985 as a war invalid in 146, he rejoiced like a child
          So I doubt that a senior leader in the USSR would have a pension of 250 rubles
          1. 0
            19 January 2024 21: 40

            I strongly suspect that he had no trace of such a pension.
            Republican pensioner - 160 rubles, union pensioner - 250
            The civil pension ceiling is 120 rubles. When my grandfather was raised to 1985 as a war invalid in 146, he rejoiced like a child
            So I doubt that a senior leader in the USSR would have a pension of 250 rubles


            You can doubt it as much as you like, but an officer with 25 years of service had the right to 50% of his salary, plus 3% for each subsequent year. But no more than 75%.
            To calculate the pension, the salary according to position, rank, length of service (no more than 40%), plus 20 re for rations was taken. In total, the aircraft technician has a base of 370 re. To earn the required 250 re pensions, 68% was required. That is, in addition to 25 years, serve for another 6 years, for a total of 31 years. 17 + 31 we get the dismissal age of 48 years +.
            But this is if you serve without leaving a warm place. In remote areas, the length of service for ground personnel lasted 1,5 years. In hot spots, the day passed in three.
  14. +9
    18 January 2024 10: 11
    We must clearly distinguish between Brezhnev and the Brezhnev era of 1964, the early 70s and the early 80s. When were the Kosygin economic reforms carried out? which gave growth to the Soviet economy after Khrushchev’s lawlessness and the “tits-massies and fucking sausages” of the late Brezhnev, who did not understand anything and did not want Tikhonov and lost his mind and saw Suslov’s sedition in everything. It was during this period that postscripts and exaggerated promises began to flourish. It was Suslov’s ideological attitudes that led to the replacement of a planned socialist economy with an ideological economy.
    I had to participate in the formation of plans for one of the sectors of the national economy for the 11th five-year plan (1981-1985). The control % increase in production was lowered from above without taking into account whether it was necessary or not. Only increase! Therefore, many industries worked “for storage” or even for waste. Because of this, resources were wasted and there was not enough for what was really needed.
    For those interested, read N.P. Shmelev, Soviet and Russian economist, Doctor of Economics (1969), professor (1977), corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Sciences (1994), academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences (26.05.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX). He clearly described the reasons for the collapse of the Soviet economy. This is what served as the impetus for the collapse of the USSR.
  15. +7
    18 January 2024 11: 25
    Joke. The grandson asks the grandmother.;
    - Grandma, what exactly did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union give you?
    Grandmother: -I had an incident in my life. I was in the apartment with my lover, suddenly your grandfather bursts in and finds us. How I started shouting, but if I weren’t a member of the Communist Party, I would have chopped you into a cabbage, and if I weren’t a member of the Communist Party, I would have thrown you, the bastard, out the window from the 9th floor...
    - and I stand there, shaking and whispering, “Glory to the CPSU, Glory to the CPSU!”
  16. +1
    18 January 2024 11: 53
    Bravo! Now it turned out much better than the last article. A more serious and deeper look at things.
    1. 0
      20 January 2024 16: 17
      But the main culprit for the collapse of the USSR and the Northern Military District, Ukrainian nationalism, which has now degenerated into Nazism, has not been named.
  17. +4
    18 January 2024 14: 14
    "The Stalin era showed what miracles the Russian (Soviet) people can create when they are united with the leader. When there is a great idea. When a person becomes a creator and creator."

    Trouble is for the people who, like a crowd of savages, can only be creators if they have a leader.
    1. -2
      18 January 2024 14: 57
      Quote: S.Z.
      Trouble is for the people who, like a crowd of savages, can only be creators if they have a leader.

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  18. +8
    18 January 2024 14: 37
    And without a bunch of churches, mosques and synagogues.
    Well, the author couldn’t help but kick religion. It is necessary to spit on people's faith. Yes, there weren’t a lot of churches. Lenin also tried to burn it out by shooting the clergy and Stalin, with repressions in the 30s and Khrushchev, who promised to show the last priest. Was. But people never lost faith, and that’s wonderful. Due to the nature of my work, I have to be behind the ribbon, incl. and on the front end, and here’s what I’ll say, author, people who risk their lives sneezed at your writing, I personally saw icons in dugouts, priests and a mullah with the guys at the LBS. And I'm not surprised. I think so, if you don’t believe in God, don’t believe it, you have the right, but don’t touch someone else’s faith, have your own. IMHO.
    1. +2
      18 January 2024 14: 53
      Even in the Second World War, there are memories of soldiers; communists silently baptized themselves in battle. When you are left face to face with death, the party is far away; all that remains is to trust in God. Even Georgy Zhukov and that...
    2. +1
      18 January 2024 15: 52
      “I think so, if you don’t believe in God, don’t believe it, you have the right, but don’t touch someone else’s faith, have your own. IMHO.”

      I agree with you. This applies to any beliefs that are dear to a person.
      There are no atheists under fire...
  19. +2
    18 January 2024 15: 44
    A demagogic article in the spirit of party congresses or Suslov/Ligachev manuals. Why does the author whitewash Stalin’s time when poverty was the norm as well as life in the logging camp?? The systemic mistake was the appointment of older and less capable people, for whom any movement was against everything.
  20. -1
    18 January 2024 16: 42
    The new leadership of the USSR - Brezhnev, Kosygin, Suslov and Podgorny, had to take urgent measures to rectify the situation into which Khrushchev had driven the state.


    Oh, these revolutionaries, they always fought against their traitorous predecessors. The USSR was being destroyed by everyone, including Stalin, if not for Stalin’s terror, what a beautiful country it would have been.
    1. +4
      19 January 2024 21: 43
      The traitor Lenin overthrew the government for the sake of selfish interests. But Stalin betrayed his covenants and began to build everything his own way. Khrushchev came, betrayed Stalin and destroyed everything. Brezhnev had to clean up this traitor and opportunist. After Brezhnev, Andropov had to fix everything, but he did not have time to betray the country - he quickly died. (Chernenko was also there, but not for long) And then Gorbachev came, who betrayed everything.

      If you listen to such people, they are complete traitors at the head of the country. How does this happen? request
      1. +1
        20 January 2024 01: 04
        Better not to say!

        All that Chernenko managed, apparently, was to remove Andropov, but he himself then left. Either he did it himself or they helped him, it’s a dark story. Gorbachev was immediately met with hostility with his perestroika, although he did everything right. Lenin, by the way, also came to his senses in the end and decided through the NEP to rectify the situation quite successfully, by the way, but he could not bring the matter to an end, or they did not allow it. Gorbachev was treated like Trump in the USA, even in Davos they managed to close him down. Being a party functionary and realizing the loss of support in the ranks of the CPSU, Gorbachev abandoned further struggle for perestroika, not realizing that the situation had gone too far. Maybe he understood, but he couldn’t accept the new trend and didn’t adapt.
  21. 0
    18 January 2024 16: 43
    And the indignation of the people was fraught with consequences; a patriotic leader like Stalin could come to power.

    Therefore, the Soviet nomenklatura, which was still ready for the collapse of the USSR into “national apartments,” chose to quietly retire Khrushchev.
    ??
    The country's gradually deepening problem was a combination of dogmatism, formalism and violation of the principle of democracy...
  22. 0
    19 January 2024 09: 48
    What is this “development and self-improvement” other than a word?

    Doesn’t any person in any system, becoming well-fed and satisfied, begin to “slow down”?
    1. 0
      19 January 2024 10: 56
      Not just anyone. A question of self-motivation.
  23. AB
    -2
    19 January 2024 14: 24
    Religious persecution, which began again under Khrushchev, was curtailed.

    Suddenly. I always thought that under him the church became easier.

    And without a bunch of churches, mosques and synagogues. Social justice and ethics of conscience allowed Soviet citizens to be more moral people than, for example, citizens of the Russian Federation in the 2000–2020s.

    Bam-bang and I'm in the bull's eye)
  24. +1
    19 January 2024 17: 28
    If the people had been given at least one third of the current abundance of goods, there would have been no counter-revolution in 1991. But they didn’t give it, although there was an opportunity when petrodollars flowed like a river. Traitors at the very top already in the mid-70s acted with all their might to fulfill their vile plan: the worse, the better!
  25. +3
    19 January 2024 18: 11
    Any PUBLIC organization that has ambitions and desire to become POLITICAL must answer, first of all, to ITSELF, three fundamental questions of subjective goal setting. Namely:
    - what ideal of society, economic, political and social, is she going to create after coming to power in the country;
    - what development strategy is necessary in order to achieve this social ideal;
    - the presence of a layer of the population READY to act as a reliable “social base” for comprehensive support of the new regime of power in its implementation of domestic and foreign policy.
    If we analyze the state of the CPSU at the time of approximately 1975, answering these “three damned questions”, then I come to the following conclusions.
    1. “Social base” - the old generations of the industrial proletariat died out due to age, and they were replaced by the 2nd and, already, the 3rd “urban” generation, who grew up and received an education during the Soviet scientific and technological revolution, which caused further complication of the division of labor, and the emergence of completely new professions and specialties, scientists, engineers, skilled workers and employees. This population, in its consciousness, culture and interests, was already COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, the historical myths of October and the “dictatorship” of the proletariat were an “empty phrase” for them, and there was no social petty-bourgeois ideology and organizations that propagated it. All attempts by Khrushchev’s team to get closer to the petty-bourgeois environment during the “thaw” in Russian cities ended in failure, showing an insurmountable contradiction between this environment and the nomenklatura. And production itself and the supply and service infrastructure, in the mid-70s, turned into knowledge-intensive and high-tech, which the industrial proletariat could not exploit AT ALL. And the “working class” and urban intelligentsia needed their own ideology, which was not “Bolshevik”. That is, the CPSU, as a “leading and directing” force, was left WITHOUT RELIANCE ON THE “SOCIAL BASE”! In essence, she found herself in an airless space and gradually turned into a callous and selfish “thing in itself,” into a mafia near the authorities. From the state of which to the launch of privatization processes it was just a step. And they did it...
    The development strategy, in order to achieve the social ideal, could only be a strategy of advanced industrial development, relative to other countries of state-monopoly capitalism, but the scientific, technical and information technology revolutions that had begun in the productive forces required not only the introduction of science into production and its transformation into an organic part of the productive forces, but also, in the near future, the emergence of a new subject IN POWER, philosophers, scientists, engineers, designers, technologists, programmers, people capable of becoming a NEW POLITECONOMIC SUBJECT. And we don’t need competitors. Therefore, the strategy of accelerated development was “curtailed” by them (. Therefore, the CPSU not only could not answer this question, but also did NOT WANT to answer...
    The issue of realizing the economic ideal required the introduction of automation systems and cybernetic management of planning intersectoral balances in the economy, as a result of the very complicated industrial production and national economy. “Manually”, in “real time” mode, all this, not in statics, but in the dynamics of development, was no longer calculated (. What the CPSU did, with the teams of academicians Glushkov and Veduta, who were engaged in specific solutions to these growing problems like a wave , you can watch in the speeches of E. N. Veduta, on YouTube.
    Even then, the educated population in the cities was skeptical about the social and political ideal of the Soviet people building communism; I remember all this from the conversations of adults. In 1975, I went to 1st grade, and I remember all these conversations about “the people and the party are united, but we eat different things,” about theft and the stupid, arrogant cruelty of the nomenklatura, etc., etc. People saw very well all the injustice of life “born of the Great October Revolution” and, accordingly, he was treated. Both real self-government and public control turned into a farce, a farce, a mockery. The processes of socialization of property were rigidly replaced by processes of nationalization of property, and following these processes, at that time and in those conditions, there could only be processes of privatization and corporatization of property in the interests of the subjects who controlled and managed everything in the USSR. Which is exactly what happened.
    I repeat, if a political organization CANNOT answer these questions, it, as a political organization, dies and turns into an all-power mafia (...

    P.S. We live in a bad time because it is a time of cov domination.
  26. +2
    19 January 2024 21: 12
    The Bolsheviks, led by Lenin and Stalin, destroyed the Russian village, the real market was destroyed (the Nizhny Novgorod fair, as an example). Actually, this is why the revolution was started.
    The Russian village was not a village in the modern sense - it was not only agricultural towns, but also industrial enterprises.
    If you look at the old ruins, it turns out that in rural, non-urban areas there are industrial enterprises, melting furnaces, which are made of ancient bricks, some weighing half a pound, weighing 8 kg, which is inconvenient for masonry.
    The Russian village, and in fact the Russian collective, was destroyed under Lenin, under Stalin, under Khrushchev and under Brezhnev and after them too.
    Khrushchev foolishly forbade having personal livestock and this is a stupid step, to say the least, but under Brezhnev, labor productivity in the countryside fell below the plinth, the village was completely finished off, no one wanted to work for pennies in the countryside. This is the main indicator of the Brezhnev era.
    Samsonov did not say that Brezhnev betrayed our space program, recognized the American lunar scam, betrayed our computer program, forbidding the development of our computers for the sake of the American IBM.
    Under Brezhnev, the machine-building program was ruined, our cars became the worst in the world, although under Khrushchev they took prizes, say, at the Brussels exhibition.
    For some reason they destroyed the IL18 plane even though it was a good plane.
    Under Brezhnev, there was neither clothing nor food, there was only one big DEFICIT, this is the main indicator of Brezhnev’s time, Brezhnev and his team prepared the people for indignation against socialism, the party and everything that was at that time. Even culture, Soviet songs are no longer I listened, and young people began to worship Western culture, which was disgusting.
    1. +1
      20 January 2024 02: 14
      There was no complete ban on keeping personal livestock on collective and state farms under Khrushchev; there were restrictions on the number. My grandfathers and grandmothers had cows and piglets in Khrushchev’s times. It was forbidden to keep livestock in cities and towns.
      1. 0
        20 January 2024 02: 42
        Well, you see, I suspected that Khrushchev’s time was also slandered and this must be dealt with.
    2. 0
      22 January 2024 10: 24
      Trinitrotoluene
      You apparently haven’t studied history, and you don’t know that it wasn’t the Bolsheviks who started the revolution. They only USED ITS FRUITS.
      As for the Brezhnev ending, I almost agree with you
      1. 0
        22 January 2024 21: 10
        and who organized the October revolution, the Mensheviks? You yourself taught history.
        1. 0
          22 January 2024 21: 40
          The 1917 revolution was started by the Russian elite, which overthrew the Tsar. The Bolsheviks were still in Polpolye at that time. It is impossible to separate the February Revolution from the October Revolution. There was no separate October revolution. Throughout 1917, the revolutionary process was underway. The elite of Tsarist Russia destroyed the state. The pitiful attempts of the elite to save power in the form of a government that called itself temporary led to the final collapse of the state. By October 1917, these same temporary workers managed nothing but their boardroom. Therefore, the Bolsheviks, in the apt expression of Sergei Kara-Murza, did not seize any power, they simply raised an ownerless government, i.e. restored a functioning state. It’s difficult to even call it a coup, as the “liberals” like to do, because there was nothing to revolutionize. In fact, the Bolsheviks, together with allied political forces (including some Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries), were forced to rebuild the state
          1. +1
            22 January 2024 22: 36
            The Bolsheviks deceived everyone:
            -The first thing is that they clung to the Soviets, promised mountains of gold to everyone, factories to the workers, land to the peasants, land to the Cossacks (landless people too), but that’s a separate conversation.
            -Secondly, the Bolsheviks deceived everyone and the workers and Kronstadt revolutionary sailors (Kronstadt mutiny) and peasants (Antonov uprising, Chembarnik uprising), betrayed their allies - Makhno's army, mass repressions began against the Cossacks. Later, repressions began against military experts, who were mostly nobles.
            But at the time of October 17 soldiers, peasants, workers, sailors, Cossacks believed the Bolsheviks.
            So the Bolsheviks, mostly Jews and foreigners, deceived everyone.
            Well, Kerensky, on the contrary, lowered the authority of the authorities below the plinth, just like the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 80-90. Essentially, Kerensky surrendered power to the Bolsheviks. So the laws of transfer of power do not change.
            1. -1
              23 January 2024 00: 18
              Trinitrotoluene
              Why, you mixed a bunch of truth with myths, and you came up with some of them yourself. Kerensky did not give up anything, he was an idealistic talker who had his head in the clouds. The Bolsheviks were not a single force; there were disagreements and struggles for power within, right up to the repressions of 36-37 (and in fact, even further). There was no agreement even on the armed uprising - Zinoviev and Kamenev were against it. Tgotsky, sent by the world behind the scenes, finally dreamed of his own dictatorship. And Lenin and his comrades had to maneuver between these contradictory forces.
              The Bolsheviks did not promise, but announced that this must be done. No one will promise to give everyone peace and abolish all wars.
              All these riots were provoked by sent provocateurs.
              Makhno simply went crazy and wanted to create his own “republic” (Ukraine is resting).
              The issue of repression is a complex topic. I have already written about intrigues, settling personal scores, and even a direct desire to discredit the new government with its own hands. Times were very difficult.
              At the time of October, all of you listed BELIEVED THE TIPS, and in them the Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries were the overwhelming majority.
              Among the Bolsheviks there were representatives of different nations of Russia, as well as foreigners. Count how many people were in the CPSU(b)?
              There was no transfer of power. There was nothing to convey. It was only possible to install it where it did not exist.
              If it had been as you write, the power of the Bolsheviks would have collapsed back in 1918. Well, or a couple of years later
              1. +1
                23 January 2024 00: 42
                On October 25, there was no one behind Kerensky and his provisional government, only the military boys and the women’s battalion defended the Winter Palace - this says that in revolutionary Petrograd, which was filled with troops, no one believed Kerensky, but they believed the Soviets and Trotsky and the rest of the Bolsheviks who captured the Soviets, not is not it?
                The fact that Zinoviev and Kamenev were against no one cared anymore; Lenin and the Bolsheviks and their sailor henchmen gave the go-ahead, who were later betrayed and went to storm the Winter Palace.

                Quote: futurohunter
                The Bolsheviks did not promise, but announced that this must be done. No one will promise to give peace to everyone and abolish all wars.

                You don’t know history, even then the Bolsheviks put up their enticements - the slogans “Power to the Soviets” - with the Bolsheviks, of course, “Land for the peasants,” and the soldiers followed the Bolsheviks, “Factory workers.” Or would you say there were no such slogans? So it was and it was like the main propaganda of the Soviets led by the Bolsheviks.
                Quote: futurohunter
                No one will promise to give peace to everyone and abolish all wars.

                It’s like you fell from the moon, hearing about the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty?

                https://cdnn21.img.ria.ru/images/150738/02/1507380220_0:0:2441:2048_600x0_80_0_0_abff306735f71ae4b45903681195d3d4.jpg


                The Bolshevik power was CRIMINAL because the Bolsheviks deceived everyone. This power was built on a big LIE.

                what was happening in those days was very similar to a conspiracy, even Kornilov did not come to lead the uprising although they were waiting for him, as Miliukov wrote.
              2. +1
                23 January 2024 01: 00
                Quote: futurohunter
                Among the Bolsheviks there were representatives of different nations of Russia, as well as foreigners. Count how many people were in the CPSU(b)?

                and look who gave the orders not to the abstract “Bolsheviks”, but who were the Small Council of People’s Commissars - the main governing body in those years, they were Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov and two more - all non-Russians. They gave criminal orders about mass repressions of peasants, and suppression of all anti-Bolshevik protests.
  27. 0
    19 January 2024 23: 23
    "The Russian village, which had barely begun to recover after the war, was destroyed by Khrushchevism"
    That's right!
    Khrushchev purposefully destroyed the Russian labor industry in order to fill the cities with cheap labor.
    This is still happening today!
    The unspoken slogan of the Kremlins over the last twenty years: “People are the new oil”!
    What is the exchange of Russian people for Tajik hydrocarbons worth?


    People are being torn off the land in order to saturate the throats of ethnic oligarchs with cheap labor!
    That’s why the kg deputy is lobbying for the import of migrants today.
    After all, they almost killed the Russians.
  28. 0
    20 January 2024 01: 16
    The school reform, within which the transition to an eleven-year education system was carried out, was canceled under Khrushchev. Under Khrushchev, no one abolished the personal plots of collective farmers; sometimes restrictions were introduced on their size. The main restrictions concerned the number of livestock. Townspeople and residents of regional centers suffered especially, as they were prohibited from keeping cows and pigs. But, by the way, under both Khrushchev and Brezhnev, collective farmers could have up to 50 acres in most regions, but workers and employees of state farms could have up to 25 acres. But many collective farms were transformed into state farms. State farm workers received guaranteed wages and pensions, greater than those of collective farmers, they had paid vacations, but, it turns out, they had half the size of plots. Although, to be honest, it seems to me a great injustice that collective farmers and state farm workers worked a lot, mostly irregular hours, on collective and state farms, and then still worked on their plots. What kind of harmonious cultural and spiritual development of rural residents could we talk about under these conditions? Not everything is clear about the economic councils. There were also positive aspects to their activities. The author's statement about excessive urbanization in the USSR in the 60-70s is controversial.
  29. 0
    21 January 2024 06: 25
    The problem of the USSR is the same as now - state resources and support are given to wild peoples to the detriment of the Russian population. The country is led by cosmopolitans
  30. +1
    21 January 2024 06: 33
    Another lamentation from a crusty old scoop. Either Khrushchev is to blame for him, or Brezhnev... In fact, the entire “pededo Soviet system” is nothing more than the reincarnation of archaic forms of statehood, known since the times of Ancient Egypt and China. Absence of separation of powers, elections, sacralization of power, mandatory religion/ideology for everyone, oppressive pyramid of bureaucracy, disenfranchised population - the building material in which obedience and diligence were cultivated. Even in Marxism itself, this is called the “Asian mode of production,” although I would prefer to talk about the Asian model of civilization. The fate of such models is also well known - a short spurt of authoritarian modernization in the face of external danger, under the leadership of a great tyrant, then inevitable stagnation, lag and extinction. So the communist experiment followed the same path. Classics of the genre.
    1. -1
      22 January 2024 10: 20
      squid
      This “reincarnation” existed for 74 years and was one of the strongest states in the world, which deeply influenced the entire world politics, and the “reincarnators” once revived a practically exterminated country from the ashes, and the second time they did not allow it to be destroyed. Yes, in fact, 90% of the infrastructure that you use was created by “reincarnators”
      1. -1
        20 February 2024 01: 31
        Quote: futurohunter
        was one of the strongest states in the world,

        you accidentally let the truth come out))
        Suffice it to recall the fate of the pro-Stalinist leaders who believed Stalin.
        Mehabad Republic of Kurds and
        Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan,
        how it will become clear that the “strongest” state existed only in the fantasies of the Stalinists. It was enough for the states and Britain to shout at Stalin for him to lose those who believed him.
        Some of them managed to escape to the USSR, and some of the klutzes who believed the great sovereign were hanged by the Iranians after their inglorious power for less than 1 year!
  31. 0
    21 January 2024 17: 16
    The author tries to simultaneously show how bad it was and how wonderful it was. Throws back and forth in each subsequent paragraph.
  32. 0
    22 January 2024 09: 55
    I will add that the author also demonstrates the dogmatism and scolding that Lenin warned about.
    The thoughtless idol of Marxism, by the way, became the cause of the deepest spiritual and systemic crisis that destroyed the USSR. Oddly enough, it is precisely the ideas of Marx, which the author so worships, that are very strongly implemented in that very unloved Western liberalism.
    The inconsistency of the ideas of Marxism in our time is shown by at least a very small number of the proletariat in our time. And the one that exists now is not at all the same as it was under Marx and Lenin. Now there is a completely different class structure of society. And the class struggle goes on between other classes, and according to different laws. And therefore, only bourgeois, or rather, strictly oligarchic revolutions are possible (as, for example, in Ukraine), when some oligarchs replace others).
    If we take ideology, is it just a tool? What is the main thing? So that the country prospers and people live well! It's called PRAGMATISM! Ideology is already secondary. Ideology must meet this main goal. Otherwise, it turns into a spherical horse in a vacuum and the rationale for stupid and dangerous experiments
  33. +1
    23 January 2024 07: 01
    The problem was that Russians were made second-class citizens and power was seized by Jews (people without a family, alien to the country)
  34. +1
    23 January 2024 11: 58
    Nonsense! There is no need to dig up the ghoul. The USSR was built on fear and when the fear ended, the USSR died. And Kosygin’s reforms ended when they realized that this was capitalism in its purest form
  35. 0
    23 January 2024 22: 33
    In 1940, the average salary for an engineer was about 770 rubles per month, for a worker - 387 rubles. This provided incentives to receive technical education. The salary of a primary school teacher was about 350 rubles (despite the fact that the boss had a secondary pedagogical education), secondary school teachers had a salary of 480-500 rubles.
    Everything was turned upside down under Khrushchev, who screamed that for the party the unskilled worker was more important than the intellectual engineer, like, he is the working class, and the state is workers and peasants. Under him, the devaluation of teachers’ work began. Brezhnev did not dare to cancel the corn farmer’s tricks.
  36. 0
    24 January 2024 15: 15
    Brezhnev is so good, but for some reason they didn’t write that under him, no one, an unnecessary war was unleashed in Afghanistan.
    How many young boys were put there, for what reason???
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  37. 0
    25 January 2024 15: 28
    So it turns out that it is not Lenin and Stalin who are to blame, but the Vakhlaks who seized power and decided that life was a success and they must take care to leave something for the children. And as a result, Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
  38. 0
    27 January 2024 01: 47
    Now there would be such degradation
  39. +1
    15 February 2024 19: 07
    Under Stalin there was a balance of both development and life: my great-grandfather under the Tsar had 6 children; my grandfather under Stalin had 3; my father and mother had two; my brother had 2; I have none.
  40. +2
    16 February 2024 10: 06
    Still, the author exaggerates a lot and distorts the facts! his picture from 50 years ago turns out to be painfully perfect! I laughed when I read about the garden city! Maybe Moscow or the Baltic states were being improved, but in the outback they certainly didn’t suffer from such nonsense! What the hell are playgrounds and parks? What the hell universities with large areas for children? What nonsense? What the hell is landscaping? In my city (regional center of the Novgorod region), more or less, the roads were paved already in the 00-10s! Then children's playgrounds appeared! And they only became concerned with landscaping now, already in the 20s...
  41. -1
    18 February 2024 20: 26
    the degradation of everything began in 1985
  42. 0
    22 February 2024 17: 40
    Compared to America in the 1950s-1970s, the Union looked like crap.
    What’s surprising is that you look at old footage of America from the 80s and 90s and new ones, and it’s clear that America hasn’t changed.
    You look at Russia in the 80s and 90s and now, you see changes for the better.
  43. 0
    22 February 2024 17: 54
    Quote: Gardamir
    Why this sucking in of what happened under Brezhnev, maybe we’ll also discuss the economy of the times of Ivanov Vasilyevich? I don't see any achievements right now. So tell us how roads are built without storm drains. How apartments smaller than Khrushchev buildings are built


    Yes, there are Soviet roads without storm drains in my city. And the apartments are built exactly the same Khrushchev buildings according to the same ridiculous plans from the 1960s, when there was one road and a bunch of houses scattered in a field and all the yards were full of cars. Here, yes - under the USSR it was assumed that only a select few would have cars.
  44. 0
    29 March 2024 17: 18
    After “Therefore, the Soviet nomenklatura, which was still ready for the collapse of the USSR into “national apartments,” chose to quietly retire Khrushchev,” you don’t have to read any further.