About Kazakhstan, the center of peacekeeping operations and the inappropriateness of emotions in politics

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About Kazakhstan, the center of peacekeeping operations and the inappropriateness of emotions in politics
We shouldn't oversleep Kazakhstan.


Did the Kazakhs let a goat into the garden?


In 2022, on the territory of Kazakhstan, a training center for the NATO program has long existed and is patronized by the Americans. Partnership for Peace was reassigned to the Department of International Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic. And at the end of last year, a conference hall of the Center for Peacekeeping Operations was opened in Almaty under the auspices of the UN. Exactly – allegedly.



However, writes expert Evgeny Korenev, the fact remains: the American ambassador does not hide that the opening of such a facility was thanks to Washington, and that it is the US military that will train Kazakh peacekeepers to participate in some abstract peacekeeping operations.

That is, to put it simply, the Americans are extending their tentacles into the post-Soviet space and cannot ignore the huge Kazakhstan, whose geostrategic importance in the region is difficult to overestimate. Straight from Vysotsky, paraphrasing him somewhat “Instructions before traveling abroad”: we have them at the door in the West, they are at the window in the South.

True, the United States no longer shuffles loudly on parquet floors that they did not lay down, does not break frames and does not spit on its not entirely sober neighbor, condescendingly and laughingly patting him on the shoulder, as in stories with Eastern Europe, but they climb through carefully, more and more at night, without unnecessary noise and using a glass cutter, so that they don’t leave any fragments.

Moreover, control over the republic will allow, since Vladimir Semenovich has already been mentioned, democrat guys kill several weighty birds with one stone: feed the separatist movement in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, more actively influence the ruling class (nowadays a fashionable word elite somehow not particularly applicable to them) of the former Central Asian Soviet republics, as well as closer contact with advocates of secession from Russia of the Caucasus, by establishing the transit of weapons, etc.

I don’t think that any of the readers find the region mentioned and stained with the blood of our soldiers to be fully pacified and without sleeping cells potential terrorists.

As well as a foothold in Kazakhstan, it will allow analysts from the White House who think globally and in the context of long-term planning to interact more closely with the separatists of their Iranian Balochistan - Jundallah. Although, due to the geographical factor, assistance here may still be limited, in contrast to the prospect of establishing closer contacts with the Uyghurs.

It is not for nothing that Astana was visited relatively recently by the commander of the 5th fleet US Navy Vice Admiral C. Cooper in order to develop cooperation on the Eastern Caspian Sea, which I wrote about in the article “Visit of the President of the UAE and KSA: afterword without euphoria”.

Well, I don’t think there’s any need to explain what cooperation with the United States is. A one-goal game with prizes in the form of preferences for the local bourgeoisie and the ruling nomenklatura.

And here we must admit that the Americans have greater opportunities than ours relative not to the country and the people as a whole, but specifically in terms of influencing the ruling class through preferences. The Nazarbayev clan, which loved Foggy Albion with all its guts, is not even an example here, but an example.

As for the peacekeeping operations mentioned above, their character was also revealed in torn Iraq and rebellious Afghanistan, where the Americans drove our former allies under the Warsaw Pact and military personnel of the former Soviet republics. They had to die and died for interests alien and incomprehensible to them.

In general, we need to not oversleep Kazakhstan, because the saying goes: let the goat into the garden it no longer works here, since the artiodactyl, painted in stars and stripes, is already grazing with might and main near our picket fence - very sparse on the border with the Orenburg region - and is even looking closely at the fiber-rich cabbage growing in the Western Caspian Sea.

And this is where the reaction on our part from some part of the political establishment is interesting and only makes us shrug our shoulders in bewilderment.

The analyst mentioned above quotes the words of State Duma deputy Abdulkhakim Gadzhiev, which I would like to dwell on in more detail:

More recently, the CSTO saved the republic from chaos. Russia is aimed at developing mutually beneficial relations with Kazakhstan and other countries in all areas. I believe that it is better for our neighbors to follow the same approach. Yet our peoples have much more in common than with Western states. If Kazakhstan decided to let NATO in, then this is fraught with problems... The most striking example of this is Ukraine.

Right away: I agree with the deputy regarding the problems in the event of Astana’s integration into the North Atlantic Alliance - it is unlikely that things will come to formal accession, at least as long as Russia retains its strategic nuclear forces and demonstrates - albeit with a number of reservations - political will. And informal integration (we would call it absorption) is already underway, as Korenev rightly writes about.

So the warning quoted above is justified. A separate question: the levers of our influence on Astana. No, they certainly exist, and they are significant. But are we ready to use them?

Actually, a similar question arose to me after reading the first sentence in the above quote, which contains, I think, an unambiguous hint to the Kazakhs: you owe us.

But the appeal to emotions, to a sense of duty in Big game, from my point of view, is wrong.
Genuine politics (or, if we follow Bismarck's terminology, Realpolitik) must be built in a Machiavellian vein. And appealing to the moral side is nothing more than scoring a goal into one’s own goal.

The history of the Russian Empire, starting from the second quarter of the 19th century, is clear evidence of this. Just a few examples.

On foreign policy, the harmfulness of emotions and the phantom of consciousness


Let's start with Russian-Austrian relations. Crimean War. There are quite a lot of myths here, many of which are dispelled by the most magnificent series of articles by a military historian Sergei Makhov. One of them is called "Crimean War, Austrian reasons", and it is not difficult to find on the Internet.

I won’t retell it - read it. Worth it: very interesting and competent. As, indeed, the entire cycle, largely due to the author’s reliance on sources and research from the other side, some of which, as far as I understand, are either not taken into account or have not been introduced into scientific circulation in our country.

The only thing I will say is that the Austrians, who were almost dying after the Hungarian uprising, were not going to threaten us with war, which was the height of stupidity for Vienna.

But Nicholas I demanded support in the confrontation with the Ottoman Empire and the unfolding conflict with England and France, based on what was known from school: “We saved you.”

Well, then a strange leitmotif followed in our literature: about the black ingratitude of Austria, which allegedly took a hostile position towards us and almost threatened war. It’s strange, also because in politics there are interests, not gratitude.

However, there was essentially no black ingratitude directed at us from the banks of the Danube either: in a dual monarchy devastated by the civil war and experiencing an acute financial crisis, there was no time for participating in a major international conflict on anyone’s side.

That is, Vienna did not act by forgiving Russia, but taking into account the most complex military-political realities: in addition to the Hungarian uprising, it had very strained relations with Prussia, difficult ones with France and an explosive situation in the part of the Apennines subordinate to Habsburg. After all, less than ten years remained before Cavour paid for the blood of Sardinian soldiers in Crimea on the map of the Kingdom of Italy.

St. Petersburg, in its global plans for the division of the Ottoman Empire, was least willing to take into account Austrian interests in the Balkans. And then he took offense at Vienna’s position during the Eastern War, accusing the young Emperor Franz Joseph of God knows what.

And this resentment, seasoned with the extrapolation of St. Petersburg ideas onto the supposedly anti-Russian motivation of the political decisions of the Viennese court, migrated to the pages of Soviet textbooks - by the way, in general they are no match for the current ones, because they were both more meaningful and interesting, despite the bias.

Some naivety and short-sightedness in the field of international relations was inherited from Nicholas I to his son: Alexander II in 1878 at the Berlin Congress was afraid of the prospects of forming a new coalition against Russia, similar to the one that had formed on the eve of the Crimean War.

I was afraid of the phantom drawn in my own imagination. Well, what kind of coalition? As part of France, recently defeated by the Prussians, only in Russia and saw the guarantor of its security?

Germany? Bismarck played a game that was in line with the interests of the Second Reich, but would never have entered into a direct armed conflict with St. Petersburg, although he expressed displeasure regarding the Tsar’s reluctance to see the Third Republic defeated - Military alert 1875.

Austria, like France, relatively recently defeated by Prussia, least of all wanted war.

Oh yes, they write in the textbooks: the English fleet was brought into the Sea of ​​Marmara when Russian troops stood at the walls of Constantinople. AND? What threat did he pose to the ground army and how did he prevent Skobelev from capturing Constantinople?

How Alexander II didn’t notice something so obvious behind the veil of emotions is beyond me. Although he could play in Berlin on the Italian-Austrian contradictions and use weighty arguments so that France would take a pro-Russian position at the conference. Yes, and with Bismarck it was possible to play a subtle, skillful diplomatic game of an anti-English orientation, perhaps taking the first step towards the implementation of the geopolitical idea later formulated by Haushofer. Alas, Gorchakov turned out to be old and clumsy.

But what happened happened. And nothing like this could, in principle, happen either under Catherine II or under Alexander I.

No wonder they, brilliant diplomats and unsentimental politicians, brought the Russian Empire to the peak of its power.

By the way, Napoleon tried to play on the emotions of Alexander I, who during his hundred days discovered in the table of Louis XVIII a copy of a secret secret that he had forgotten in his haste and had an anti-Russian orientation. Anglo-Austro-French treaty of January 3, 1815.

However, the Russian emperor was precisely a politician. Having given the Austrian Chancellor a theatrical beating, he, of course, did not spoil the beneficial relations between St. Petersburg and Vienna.

Here, since we are talking about emperors, we like to praise Alexander III for the thirteen years of peace sent down to Russia (we are, of course, not talking about peace in general, but about peace during the reign of the tsar nicknamed the Peacemaker, although he did not create any peace with anyone) .

However, if we analyze the situation that developed in the international arena at that time, it is not difficult to come to the conclusion that large-scale military conflicts are impossible in principle, although the conditions for them were quite in the form of two military-political blocs that had been put together. But in the last quarter of the 19th century, everyone was preparing for war, and not planning to fight it right now.

In a word, our current diplomacy, as well as the deputy corps, whose activities affect the sphere of foreign policy, have someone to take an example from and learn from whose relatively recent mistakes by historical standards, and not to succumb to a very bad adviser - emotions. Nobody owes us anything, not even those we actually saved.

Russia: carrot and stick instead of “you owe us”


We have geopolitical interests, including in the vastness of Central Asia, which we must defend firmly and consistently. Let's say, from India, as I already wrote in one of the articles, we are gradually being forced out, not in a rude way, but in a bearish way.

And doesn’t this harm the interests of our defense industry, the damage to which will affect the budget, jobs in production, the outflow of young specialists who suddenly become unclaimed abroad (this already happened in the nineties) and, as a result, may give rise to social tension in the future?

In relation to Kazakhstan, the only force capable of neutralizing the hidden (more precisely, not even hidden, but slightly curtained by an almost transparent curtain and clearly visible) centrifugal tendencies, the penetration of radical groups acting under the banner of their understanding of Islam, is only Russia.

And this simple idea should be conveyed to our multi-vector colleagues in Astana. If, of course, they care about their country, and not about something else that has little to do with its interests.

In the end, in January 2022, through prompt military assistance, we retained their cozy bureaucratic positions, right up to the highest, not out of the goodness of our hearts, but based on our own geopolitical interests, within which there is no place for either advisory or other pro-American Centers in Kazakhstan.

True, on the other side is not Pashinyan, a product of social networks, but an experienced diplomat of the Soviet school, Tokayev, but, as it seems to me (am I mistaken?), he still cares about the good of his country. I'd like to play on this.

And we are not against a prosperous Kazakhstan - precisely Kazakhstan, and not a bunch of officials and bourgeois lured from overseas with accounts in British banks.

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  1. +9
    16 January 2024 06: 09
    “Russia: carrots and sticks instead of “you owe us” author you Comrade Lavrov, you are breaking all the diplomacy built since 1991, see gifts from Stalin, Lenin, liberation from the Turks, Nazis and the Western unspiritual way of life. Kazakhstan needs a counterbalance to China, and after the start of the Northeast Military District, We have become almost completely dependent on Beijing for imports and cannot act as such a counterbalance. The Kazakh political elite simply follows its own interests. We have nothing to offer them except confrontation with the West, well, maybe start another NWO, but in that case they will flee to the West or to China even faster.
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    2. -3
      16 January 2024 17: 50
      Quote: Skif3216
      “Russia: carrots and sticks instead of “you owe us” author you Comrade Lavrov, you are breaking all the diplomacy built since 1991, see gifts from Stalin, Lenin, liberation from the Turks, Nazis and the Western unspiritual way of life. Kazakhstan needs a counterbalance to China, and after the start of the Northeast Military District, We have become almost completely dependent on Beijing for imports and cannot act as such a counterbalance. The Kazakh political elite simply follows its own interests. We have nothing to offer them except confrontation with the West, well, maybe start another NWO, but in that case they will flee to the West or to China even faster.


      We have something to offer them - fear, as smart Americans and other Europeans do. A carrot without a stick is useless.
      What our diplomats, including the president, have completely forgotten about, and make the same mistakes many times throughout the post-Soviet space - they try to appease the population and oligarchs, almost do not work with the elites, they do not voice any threats and no whip. As a result, we have to fight and shed the blood of hundreds of thousands.
      It’s enough just for Putin to directly tell Tokayev - if you play with NATO there will be SVO 2.0, only this time we will start with the liquidation of the entire Kazakh elite.
      But Putin won’t say for what reason - there are many options.
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  3. +14
    16 January 2024 06: 52
    A chaotic article. Many examples from history, not relevant to the case. The confrontation between modern Russia and the United States is as follows, bourgeois Russia wants to remain the hegemon in the post-Soviet space and make profits from this space, naturally it does not agree with this, the local bourgeoisie in this space and it is looking for allies and finds them in the United States and the collective West, hoping that they will leave them some of the wealth it has acquired.
    1. +4
      16 January 2024 07: 29
      Relevant examples - history tends to repeat itself. Nicholas I and Alexander II's incorrect assessment of the foreign policy situation led to sad consequences that could have been avoided. The similarity of the position of Nicholas I in relation to Austria and part of our elite in relation to Kazakhstan: “You owe us, so behave well and in the context of our interests” is obvious. Almost a hundred years later we are stepping on the same rake. despite the fact that Kazakhstan, the strategic importance of which cannot be overestimated, is leaving our influence.
      1. +6
        16 January 2024 07: 41
        In the context of the examples you gave, what should the bourgeois Russian Federation do with bourgeois Kazakhstan?
        1. +2
          16 January 2024 14: 43
          Force Tokayev to liquidate the NATO center mentioned in the country. How? Question for MGIMO - they train diplomats. But there are levers. Sure. Let's say, raise the question of the presence of Kazakh business in the Russian market. By the way, this argument turned out to be effective against the Turks ten years ago. And to say: “You owe us” only causes the Kazakhs to smile condescendingly.
      2. +1
        16 January 2024 15: 14
        Quote: Igor Khodakov
        Almost a hundred years later we are stepping on the same rake. despite the fact that Kazakhstan,

        We? Or maybe our Foreign Ministry? This is a Foreign Ministry failure. The same as in Armenia.
        Aliyev, together with our friend Erdogan, fucked us as they wanted. There will be more.
        1. +3
          16 January 2024 17: 52
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: Igor Khodakov
          Almost a hundred years later we are stepping on the same rake. despite the fact that Kazakhstan,

          We? Or maybe our Foreign Ministry? This is a Foreign Ministry failure. The same as in Armenia.
          Aliyev, together with our friend Erdogan, fucked us as they wanted. There will be more.


          The same as in the ENTIRE post-Soviet space! There is not a single successful example. Belarus is only an exception, thanks most likely to dad and God and not to our actions. They have a complete failure in foreign policy, as well as in domestic
      3. 0
        17 January 2024 07: 37
        Quote: Igor Khodakov
        . The similarity of the position of Nicholas I in relation to Austria and part of our elite in relation to Kazakhstan: “You owe us, so behave well and in the context of our interests” is obvious. Almost a hundred years later we...

        One hundred years have passed in the last century. And what you call the similarity of positions is simply a version that replaces the interests of narrow power groups and individuals with assumptions that “the kings thought,” and they could think whatever they wanted. .

        If the tsars were subordinate to the Russian ruling class, they would do what the interests of Russia require of them. But such a class has not yet formed. For a century and a half. This is a fatal diagnosis.
    2. +7
      16 January 2024 08: 32
      bourgeois Russia wants to remain the hegemon in the post-Soviet space

      What kind of hegemon is there, compradors are selling the country to curry favor with the West, hegemony cannot be created by selling. England is also a favorite place for the oligarchy to grow up; all sorts of Abramovichs and Friedmans bought estates and live with their families.
      1. 0
        16 January 2024 14: 44
        England has become too unstable a place for Abramovich. Better here. That’s why he showed up at the Istanbul negotiations.
        1. 0
          21 January 2024 15: 53
          Igor, this is interesting: Putin directly stated that he is ready to cooperate with the West (for example: he is ready to send gas along the remaining gas pipeline line, etc.), so why should Kazakhstan break off relations with the West and lose dividends from trade with it?!
          Your elites are somehow better than ours, look at them more closely?! Aven, Khodorkovsky, etc. straight patriots of Russia! It’s funny to read your article, because it was your Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk (as representatives of the Slavic republics) who became the root cause of all the troubles in the Union space. And now you are destroying each other. hi
  4. Des
    +11
    16 January 2024 06: 53
    Kazakhstan became independent and a state. It happened. And the Russian Federation, the Russians, the Russians are no longer comfortable there. From what the USA, China, and the Russian Federation can offer Kazakhstan, it (the Republic of Kazakhstan) will choose the most profitable option. Next, compare the capabilities, desire and experience of the USA, China and the Russian Federation.
    All conversations like “we helped (saved) you” are secondary after the passage of time.
    1. 0
      16 January 2024 11: 49
      And no one is against the independence of Kazakhstan - yes, but not to the detriment of its neighbors: Russia and China.
      The complex of a small people, the complex of the absence of a long history in the baggage of the past, the understanding that yesterday everything could have collapsed, but Russia again helped, today forces Kazakhs to rush around in search of those who will not pay attention to this! And if the old Kazakhs remember who made the PEOPLE and the State from tribes and juzes, who created the industry, science and culture of Kazakhstan, then modern Kazakh youth with smoothies in their heads and iPhones in their hands do not want to understand this and are not able to.
      Carrot and scourge - this is their dream of “statehood” of Kazakhstan.......
      1. Des
        +1
        16 January 2024 11: 55
        Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        And no one is against the independence of Kazakhstan - yes, but not to the detriment of its neighbors: Russia and China.
        Isn’t it funny to you - to the detriment of China))). But about the Russian Federation, yes, it’s true.
        1. +3
          16 January 2024 12: 03
          America in Kazakhstan is a benefit for China?!
          1. Des
            +2
            16 January 2024 16: 56
            I was wrong, I was in a hurry.
            hi
    2. -1
      16 January 2024 17: 58
      Quote: Des
      Kazakhstan became independent and a state. It happened. And the Russian Federation, the Russians, the Russians are no longer comfortable there. From what the USA, China, and the Russian Federation can offer Kazakhstan, it (the Republic of Kazakhstan) will choose the most profitable option. Next, compare the capabilities, desire and experience of the USA, China and the Russian Federation.
      All conversations like “we helped (saved) you” are secondary after the passage of time.


      Everything is very simple here - the Russian Federation is the only one that can offer both real security and real danger. Of course, Kazakhstan will choose the Russian Federation if the question is posed this way... but we don’t, we’re just making a gesheft while it’s possible, just like with Ukraine
  5. +8
    16 January 2024 07: 15
    Ukraine and everyone else were screwed at one time, and now it’s time to reap the benefits. There is no demand for failures.
    1. -3
      16 January 2024 11: 25
      Ukraine was wasted in the distant 20s of the last century... when it was created! All attempts of the artificially born form to survive and rise to a higher level of statehood led to today's ending....
      1. +2
        16 January 2024 13: 14
        Ukraine, like the rest, was squandered as a good neighbor by diplomats and politicians after the independence parade. That's exactly what I meant.
        1. 0
          16 January 2024 13: 26
          You missed the point about the good neighbor! Either they are still young or have not crossed paths with them...
          1. 0
            17 January 2024 07: 59
            You missed the point about the good neighbor! Either they are still young or have not crossed paths with them...

            This is exactly what I wrote, but I repeat, in the distant 80s of the last century, my dad, who traveled almost the entire European part of the country on a saddle with a refrigerator, spoke about some “friendly” republics: the Balts are fascists, Western Ukraine is Bendery, sorry father (my grandfather, served in SMERSH until ’48) he didn’t kill and hang everyone. True, I didn’t hear anything from him about the southern republics; he brought me a skullcap from there.
      2. -1
        16 January 2024 13: 17
        All states are artificially born forms, right?
        1. -1
          16 January 2024 13: 24
          No, not all, but there are those who are like this... Normal states have been struggling with them since the formation of abnormal ones. Wasn't it too difficult for me to express my thoughts?!
  6. +3
    16 January 2024 07: 18
    And Lavrov continues to chew snot...
  7. -1
    16 January 2024 07: 23
    I only know about Kazakhstan from the movie Borat, that’s enough wassat laughing
    1. -1
      21 January 2024 17: 10
      And how old are you, Vadim? The Unified State Examination generation is ignorant and bast. It would be better to keep quiet.
  8. +1
    16 January 2024 07: 25
    By the way, many relocants in Kazakhstan liked the presence of American influence. People need to be constantly under someone’s influence :)
    1. +3
      16 January 2024 08: 20
      Quote: Corvair
      People need to be constantly under someone’s influence :)

      Mentality, sir. Bai must be there. And since it is not there (as it was under the USSR), we will look for it at our own expense.
      1. -1
        21 January 2024 17: 15
        Fidget, they forgot how they kissed the Yankees. They looked into their mouths. And EBN in Congress: “God bless America!” Shame. And what is the result - the war in Ukraine and the collapse of industry?! And are you still blathering something - mentality, sir - or are you lying about something?! I would have kept quiet.
  9. +3
    16 January 2024 08: 30
    “True, on the other side is not Pashinyan, a product of social networks, but an experienced diplomat of the Soviet school, Tokayev, but, as it seems to me (am I mistaken?), he still cares about the good of his country. I would like to play on this.”

    The author had previously proven perfectly that moral principles should not be taken into account in politics, but here he is “a politician who cares about the good of the country.” This is something terrible, IMHO, you cannot deal with such people, they are crazy and unpredictable - if they exist at all. None of these have been found in history.

    “And we are not against a prosperous Kazakhstan - precisely Kazakhstan, and not a bunch of officials and bourgeois lured from overseas with accounts in British banks.”

    What is better for the people when officials and bourgeoisie are fed from overseas, or when they parasitize on their own people? After all, it is quite obvious that the way they are fed does not affect their motivation in any way.
  10. +1
    16 January 2024 08: 38
    There are a lot of geopolitical plans, but the elite of the Russian Federation and the entire CIS let us down, who rushed to sell resources to the West, pushing each other with their elbows.
    If the guarantor was deceived, then no one in the CIS will be able to resist the West.
  11. +3
    16 January 2024 09: 09
    Until we resolve pressing internal issues: Dark Accounting and Embezzlement, stratification of society, when 10% live like millionaires abroad, everyone will run away from us!
    And the people are tired of those in power who are stuck abroad!!!
    I would like to resign all of them and form a Government of People's Trust through a National Referendum...
    1. -3
      16 January 2024 13: 36
      You will be surprised, but no one will ever be able to create a government of people’s trust!
      Only a long evolutionary-political path without revolutions, Maidans, uprisings and other riots.
      Otherwise, revolutions will be carried out by pure-hearted romantics, and shopkeepers and traders with dirty hands and souls will take advantage of their victories!
      For the emergence of a normal society, any country needs a people who correspond to their thoughts and hopes, but growing them is another task!
      We already had the people's favorite tsars, the Pugachevs, Razins, Lenins, Yeltsins and Gorbachevs...............
      1. 0
        16 January 2024 17: 35
        This is not so, without the revolution in France or the USA, the ideas of democracy and the rights of all people, and not just the nobles and the church, for example, would not have been strengthened.
        1. -2
          16 January 2024 19: 54
          The revolution in France pretty much chopped off the heads of nobles, commoners, and then fiery revolutionaries. Wouldn't you like to be a revolutionary victim in the name of democracy and the rights of your housemates?!
          As for the democratic ideas of the United States, the MILLIONS of those who, thanks to them, went to heaven ahead of schedule, were not at all happy about it!
      2. +1
        19 January 2024 23: 04
        Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
        We already had the people's favorite tsars, the Pugachevs, Razins, Lenins, Yeltsins and Gorbachevs...............

        Well, I don’t know why the Pugachevs and Razins didn’t please you, because the people’s movement under their leadership, laid the foundation for the courtiers to understand that the people and their well-being are directly dependent, and the rebellion is a response to the lawlessness of the landowners, which remains beyond the sight of the supreme nobility, after which some relaxations in floggings began and the state’s demand for lordly indecency in relation to slaves increased. It was no longer possible to tear seven skins and flog them to death; it was possible to tear only three skins and flog them until they were half to death. And that's a benefit.
        The queen then said that - “The state needs to be strengthened by long-term settlements, and if so, then, given the scale of the available lands, cutting off heads is an unaffordable luxury. The instigators will be sent to prison, and those who have coveted their promises will be sent with their servants to settle in Siberia and in the wastelands of Astrakhan.”
        As for Ilyich, if he had not been bald and bearded, Kerensky would have squandered all the remains of the ownerless Empire, and the word Russia would now be read the same way as Atlantis - “it once was.”
        But with Gorbachev and Yeltsin, the hit is complete, these two are worse than insignificant, and all the nasty and bloody things that are happening now in the world and on our borders are the consequences of their “tricks.” hi
        1. +1
          20 January 2024 19: 23
          If we look at precedent, then yes, undoubtedly some conclusions were made and decisions were made accordingly - Churchill also said that the death of tens of thousands is a statistic, and the death of a specific person is a tragedy!
          If we generalize, then the entire rebel movement sows the death of specific people, and the latter are much closer to a banal dinner today and a hundred percent breakfast tomorrow than some progressive
          future trends. Switzerland and Belgium today are strong in centuries-old traditions, family culture, recognition of the environment, which has nothing to do with politics and sociology of higher matters, but only in GENERAL!
  12. +8
    16 January 2024 09: 40
    Since the Kazakh direction in Russia is being handled by the same people who previously failed almost the rest of the post-Soviet space, it is optimistic to count on the fact that we will not lose Kazakhstan.

    Justified or not? Future will tell.
    1. +3
      16 January 2024 10: 34
      You can even say that this is not optimism, but faith in a miracle.
  13. +4
    16 January 2024 10: 10
    Countering American hegemony can only be real after the restoration of economic and monetary sovereignty. Limit the sale of raw materials, even primary processing, and throw the dollar out of the main reserve currencies in as large an area as possible - then something can be discussed. And while you are subsidizing America, don't say that it is your enemy.
    1. +1
      16 January 2024 10: 54
      Counteraction is not a goal, but a means. From high stands it is argued that opposition is precisely aimed at gaining sovereignty.

      But you want it the other way around :)
  14. +2
    16 January 2024 11: 02
    Nobody likes to be in debt to someone. Therefore, phrases like “don’t forget how we saved you 50/100/200 years ago?” They are completely inappropriate in diplomacy; they only worsen relations between countries.
    1. +5
      16 January 2024 12: 04
      In one office there was a slogan: “The service provided does not cost ANYTHING.” Apparently, it makes sense to constantly remind this.
    2. +1
      16 January 2024 13: 03
      It's the same in relationships between people. As a rule, they hate their savior. Universal principle.
  15. 0
    16 January 2024 12: 22
    As for the Berlin Congress, the threat was not illusory; England was actively putting together an anti-Russian coalition. And considering that English diplomacy and gold have always been more effective than ours, it could well have worked out. So retreat was an unpleasant but necessary step. Better than the new Crimean War.
  16. +2
    16 January 2024 12: 52
    Many people think in terms of “buy”, “bourgeois”, etc. So the most interesting thing is that Tokayev’s reforms are presented in many ways as an “anti-Bai project.” Tokayev understood the mood and acted on the principle that if you can’t change it, then you need to lead it. This goes against the grain, but it is a fact. Moreover, when there are tensions with us (and they have been going on under the rug for 30 years), they casually say, well, you see, our northern neighbor does not like our reforms. That’s why he doesn’t like the fact that his northern neighbor’s society, you see, is oligarchic. Everything there is quite cleverly arranged.
  17. -2
    16 January 2024 12: 59
    It’s time to turn to the fundamental principles of building our own state, and not seek friendship with those who strive to turn their backs on us.
    Closed borders, modern armed forces, strong political will - what else is needed to build social equality in your state.
    The Americans will have transport problems with Kazakhstan, because by air they can only get there through the mountains, with bearded men armed with Stingers there... Maybe...
    And American biological laboratories simply need to be destroyed with high-precision thermobaric weapons...
  18. -2
    16 January 2024 13: 16
    "and not a bunch of officials and bourgeois brought in from overseas with accounts in British banks."

    Kazakhstan is ruled by these Anglo-Saxon governors.
    Moreover, they change them like dirty linen; after using them, they throw them in the trash.
    The former father of all Kazakhs in the universe, Nazarbay, has been trampled into the mud.
    He was lucky that he remained alive, and in his “retirement” he has something to live on.
    But he could have been torn to pieces by a wild crowd, having previously raped him.

    Now, they are just destroying the lifetime monuments of the father of all Kazakhs in the universe.
    His successor, the same disposable (for Western curators) Gauleiter.
    For some reason they saved him...
    And then, he continued his Russophobic and anti-Russian policies. He curried favor with the West.
  19. -2
    16 January 2024 13: 34
    Quote: Des
    And the Russian Federation, the Russians, the Russians are no longer comfortable there.

    Oh familiar rhetoric. After saying "A" say "B".

    We understand that Kazakhstan is following the path of ethnic cleansing and physical destruction of Russians who do not have time to escape.
    We passed, we remember.
    Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Chechnya-90s.
    Then the weak Russian Federation turned a blind eye to the massacres of Russians.
    This won't happen now.

    The “statehood” of Kazakhstan rests on the Western accounts of the steppe elite.
    1. 0
      16 January 2024 13: 50
      And on the CPC project with oil supply through Novorossiysk laughing
  20. +1
    16 January 2024 16: 22
    The 1990 Law “On the procedure for the withdrawal of Union republics from the USSR” - it has a different name, but it talks about the conditions for withdrawal. The law stated that the Union Republic shall extend within the borders in which it was adopted. In my opinion, this was an attempt to preserve the Union by adopting a law that significantly reduced the borders of the national republics. But in conditions of general collapse, everyone came out with the territories that they had in the Union. No one objected, there was another question on the agenda: dividing and swallowing public property, now the question arises of how to live and have the right to one’s own language on one’s own land. Now we clearly see that we donated the land with the Russian people not to Ukraine, not to Kazakhstan, but to the United States, here you will inevitably remember Yeltsin’s “God Bless America.”
    1. +1
      16 January 2024 20: 52
      Kazakhstan, by the way, was the last to leave the USSR. Does this mean that Kazakhstan has the right to lay claim to Taganrog under this law?
      1. 0
        16 January 2024 21: 53
        Have millions of Kazakhs lived in Taganrog since the 19th century? I didn’t hear, I repent.
        1. 0
          17 January 2024 01: 56
          No, it’s just that during the formation of the USSR on December 30, 1922, Taganrog belonged to the Ukrainian SSR, and not to the RSFSR. Taganrog began to belong to the RSFSR on October 16, 1925 by decree of the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR.
          1. 0
            17 January 2024 16: 33
            Only during the collapse of the Russian Empire there was no country called Ukraine, there was none at all. The basis for the creation of union republics was Lenin's national policy. If Lenin had had other views on national politics, the country would have had a different appearance and different borders between the republics, but at that time the presence of a more literate Russian population in the republics had its positive aspects. Now in Kazakhstan this is understood very well, and judging by the migrants, not only there.
            1. -1
              17 January 2024 20: 26
              This is true, but Ukraine has nothing to do with it at all. Returning to the original thesis - what will happen if Kazakhstan says that the RSFSR left the USSR, leaving Taganrog behind, contrary to the law “On the procedure for withdrawal”?
              1. +1
                17 January 2024 22: 09
                I don’t know what will happen if Kazakhstan says about Taganrog. I don’t even know what will happen after Medvedev’s statement today that Ukraine is former Russian lands, I would also add about Northern Kazakhstan.
                1. +2
                  17 January 2024 22: 22
                  Previously, the Kirghiz ASSR was created in 1925, the Kazakh SSR was formed in 1936, some Kazakh historians write that if Stalin is convicted, then Kazakhstan will return to the RSFSR, because Stalin created Kazakhstan. So why should they talk about Taganrog?
  21. -1
    16 January 2024 20: 38
    Let's not go into Russian-Kazakh relations. It is very subtle and complex here, given the current international situation around Russia... Kazakhstan, along with Turkey, is a “window to Europe” and not only... China is plunging into the “abyss” of recession and its relations with Russia are of a very “cautious nature” , especially in areas that are critically important for us, despite the impressive trade turnover between China and Russia... Tokayev, slightly “played too hard” with “political multi-vectorism,” but, apparently, all these are “childhood diseases” that the post-Soviet republics must go through and their leaders (we remember fraternal Belarus under the leadership of A.G. Lukashenko). Kazakhstan is now caught in a split between China and the EU (USA). It’s “stupid” to “kick”, so as not to get hit in the causal place, you have to maneuver... Experience comes with years and missed opportunities. Tokayev understands this well, and in an atmosphere of controlled, growing nationalistic “frenzy”, he makes the necessary “movements” for Russia in economic terms, and I do not exclude it in other directions, too...
  22. 0
    16 January 2024 21: 04
    For an article claiming to be analytical, the style and phraseology are strange and inappropriate. As for “And this simple idea should be conveyed to our multi-vector colleagues in Astana,” then everything is not easy. In addition to the West, represented by the USA and other leading countries, the interests and influence of China are quite present there, so...
  23. +1
    17 January 2024 23: 09
    More recently, the CSTO saved the republic from chaos
    author, forgive me generously, but where did you read that nonsense that the CSTO saved the Kazakhs, and most importantly, from what?
    1. -1
      18 January 2024 23: 32
      Mr. Vasilenko! But that’s how it was.... You probably went on winter fishing or to the dacha (to clear snow) during this period and did not follow the events in Kazakhstan....
      1. 0
        19 January 2024 07: 32
        no it wasn't like that
        Tokayev staged an internal coup removing all Nazi henchmen from power
        for visibility and legitimization, asked for help from the Russian Federation
      2. 0
        19 January 2024 09: 11
        Quote from nordscout
        during this period we went for winter fishing or to the dacha (to clear snow) and did not follow the events in Kazakhstan....

        unlike you, I watched and watched closely, Alma-Ata is my hometown
        Moreover, I followed not only the Russian media but also Kazakh comments on social networks and communication with friends who remained there, moreover, I follow events in the Republic of Kazakhstan regularly and analyze what is happening two years later
        you may not be aware, but Nazik lost almost everything, from business to his people in power, and this was precisely the main goal of those events