Why Russians are dying out: a historical outline of the demographic situation. Destruction of the family institution and abortion

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Why Russians are dying out: a historical outline of the demographic situation. Destruction of the family institution and abortion

A lot has been written about the demographic crisis in Russia in recent years - both by scientists who scrupulously kept statistics and drew frightening graphs, and simply by publicists who thought in the spirit of “something needs to be done.” The rate of extinction of the Russian population is really unpleasantly striking, but in fairness, this problem affected the entire white population of Europe in general.

Starting from the second half of the 60s, the birth rate in most European countries began to fall, which is why the white population began to steadily decrease. At the same time, due to the higher birth rate, the proportion of the “non-white” European population is growing rapidly. The population is also growing in Asia (especially in Islamic countries), Latin America and Africa.



As for Russia, statistics show us that the Russian regions of Russia have the lowest birth rate in the world. Moreover, the lowest among the regions of the Russian Federation. Thus, the total fertility rate in 2019 in the Ivanovo region was 1,27; in Smolenskaya – 1,21; in Leningradskaya - 1,075. At the same time, the TFR in one of the poorest regions of the Russian Federation – Tyva – was recorded at 2,72 (twice higher than in Russian regions), and in the Chechen Republic it reaches 2,5 [1].

In this regard, the question arises: what is the reason that the Russian population of Russia is rapidly dying out? The economic situation is often cited as a reason, but, in the author’s opinion, it is not the main factor in the demographic crisis.

It is worth highlighting four aspects that fundamentally affect the birth rate. The first aspect is the destruction of the institution of family. The second aspect is abortion. The third aspect is urbanization. And only the fourth aspect should be called economic factors. Let's look at these questions in historical context.

The first aspect is the destruction of the family institution after the revolution


The revolution of 1917 had a serious impact on the institution of family in Russia. The first years of Soviet power are characterized as a period of destruction of the traditional family and rejection of the continuity of family legislation associated with the formation of new relationships between spouses, parents and children [2].

From some radical leftists you can hear that traditional values ​​do not exist at all, for this reason it is necessary to clarify what is meant by traditional family values ​​and a traditional family.

Traditional values ​​can be defined as conservative values ​​that express adherence to traditional orders, social and religious doctrines, and a certain moral code. The main value is the preservation of the traditions of society, its institutions and values.

During the period of the Russian Empire, marriage was regulated on the basis of a synthesis of state and religious norms, where the latter were of paramount importance. In pre-revolutionary Russia, almost everyone got married, with the exception of those people who, for health reasons, were forced to remain illegitimate. Marriages were dissolved extremely rarely.


The family usually had many children. By the end of the 1910th century, women gave birth to an average of seven children, and by the end of the XNUMXs. this figure dropped to five. The family was the custodian and transmitter of life experience and morality from generation to generation; children were raised and educated here. In noble estates, portraits of grandfathers and great-grandfathers, stories and legends about them, as well as their belongings were preserved.

At the end of the 1850th and beginning of the 1910th centuries, the population of the Russian Empire increased at a fairly rapid pace. Population growth rates in Russia for the period 16–1897. exceeded the population growth rates in Germany, Great Britain, and France. In just 1913 years (40–XNUMX), population growth in Russia amounted to about XNUMX million people.

The pre-revolutionary family was an independent, independent economic unit, in whose affairs the state almost did not interfere, with the exception of cases of a criminal nature [2]. Parents had both a number of rights in relation to their children and responsibilities - to take care not only of their material security, but also of their mental and moral education.

In the first years after the revolution, the family began to be seen as a relic of the “bourgeois” past, contributing to the exploitation of women and the preservation of a patriarchal sense of ownership among men. The rules of decency adopted before the revolution began to be ridiculed as “philistinism” and “philistinism,” and the younger generation began to disrespect the institution of marriage.

If before the revolution there was no widespread practice of divorce proceedings in Russia, then in the first years after the revolution a divorce could be obtained on the basis of a simple application; it was enough to notify the marriage partner about the divorce, and his consent was not required.

The government that came to power in October 1917 condemned the family as a bourgeois institution and promised to abolish it, because, according to the Bolsheviks, “the family as an economic unit, from the point of view of the national economy, must be recognized not only as helpless, but also harmful... Communist society abolishes the family, the family loses its significance as an economic unit from the moment the national economy transitions to the era of the dictatorship of the proletariat" [five].

During the first ten years of the post-revolutionary period, members of the new Soviet government proposed several options for the state's relationship to the family "in the transition period from socialism to communism." One of the central ideas in family policy in the first half of the 1920s was the idea of ​​public education, since the task was to educate a “new man” - the builder of communism.

Marxist A. M. Kolontai argued that a child raised by society will supposedly be better prepared for a new way of life than a child raised in a family:

“A person brought up in the institutions of a workers’ republic will be better adapted to life in a workers’ commune than a person whose childhood was spent in a closed environment of selfish family habits” [4].


A. M. Kolontai believed that raising children in a family is ineffective, since children can “be instilled with conservative bourgeois values.” This approach to education was also supported by A.V. Lunacharsky, according to whom, when choosing one of two educators - parents represented by the mother and the state represented by the school - priority should be given to the school [2].

It turns out that traditional and conservative values ​​still existed, and they were even afraid of them, but the radical left can give other arguments to this - society before the revolution, they say, was archaic and “wrong”, and therefore it is good that it was destroyed.

Some laws of the Russian Empire were indeed archaic to some extent, but what did the Bolshevik policy of destroying the institution of the family lead to? And by 1935, the number of divorces had increased 1913 times compared to 68.

There was a primitivization of moral standards - surveys showed that meeting a loved one and starting a family were non-identical events for a significant number of respondents. After the adoption of the new Code on Marriage and Family in 1926 in St. Petersburg, the number of divorces increased from 5 in 536 to 1926 in 16[006]. The number of abortions that were officially permitted also increased (more on this below).

In the mid-1930s, the Bolsheviks changed their policy towards the family. The state, interested in increasing the birth rate and increasing the population, abandoned its condemnation of “bourgeois patriarchy” and returned to the traditional family model. Divorce began to be frowned upon. As in Western Europe at that time, material incentives began to be used to encourage families to have several children [6].

Supporters of the abolition of the family suddenly sharply changed their views and became its defenders. Thus, in 1927, academician S. Ya. Wolfson argued that

“socialism brings with it the withering away of the family,”

and already in 1937 he wrote the following:

“The assertions that socialism brings the withering away of the family are deeply erroneous and harmful” [2].

However, despite the increased status of family values, the state, even during the Stalinist period, resolutely insisted that women should work. Women thus took on a “double burden”: they were expected to fulfill the traditional role of housewife in the family, but at the same time working in a factory or on a collective farm [6].

In 1966, after the divorce procedure was simplified in the USSR, the number of divorced marriages increased. In just a year, their number doubled - if in 1965 there were 360 ​​thousand, then in 1966 - 646 thousand. And by the end of the century, divorce had become common practice: in 1994, there were 100 divorces for every 60 marriages. And in 2015, for every 100 marriages there were already 70 divorces.

Following the latest data, 2020% of marriages in Russia broke up in 73, which clearly indicates the collapse of the family institution.

Aspect two – abortion


The second aspect follows from the first aspect – the problem of abortion. The Soviet Union became the first country in the world to legalize voluntary abortion in 1920. We can say that in the first years after coming to power, the Bolsheviks adopted “progressive” laws that many liberals of that time had never dreamed of (they later admitted that in some aspects they took an example from Soviet Russia).

In the West, this happened only a decade and a half later as a result of the second wave of the feminist movement, and then often there was no talk about the complete legalization of induced abortion for a long time - the US Supreme Court, for example, legalized abortion only in 1973.

Progressive for its time, but not well-thought-out legislation in the field of liberalization of the institution of family, sexual life and reproductive rights of women led to an increase in sexually transmitted diseases and an increase in the number of abortions. At the same time, the ideology of “free Komsomol love” and building a new society did not include a policy of increasing sexual literacy of the population and accessible contraception.

After abortion was allowed, the number of these operations increased sharply. In particular, abortion commissions were created in Samara, which registered and issued permission for artificial termination of pregnancy. The report on the work of the abortion commission recorded a steady increase in the number of abortions from year to year. The commission's statistical materials make it possible to identify the number of abortion operations in Samara: in 1925, 1 abortions were performed, in 881 – 1926, in 2, 441 abortions were already recorded. Thus, by the end of the 1927s, the number of abortions in Samara doubled [4].

Compared to 1924, the number of abortions per 100 births in Moscow in 1927 increased significantly - from 27 in 1924 to 86 in 1927. In 1934, the number of recorded abortions increased 1924 times compared to 10.


Ignoring the issue of contraceptives, the government left abortion as the only way for women to regulate the birth rate, turning the production of this operation into a kind of industry, introducing a fee for it and consistently increasing it until the official ban on abortion in 1936.

After the adoption of a decree banning abortions in 1936, their number in Moscow per 100 births had already decreased several times in 1937. This law also abolished the simplified divorce procedure adopted in 1926, in which a divorce could be filed in the registry office at the unilateral request of one of the spouses.

Such changes appear to have been driven primarily by falling birth rates and concerns that Soviet population figures were not showing the strong growth expected under socialism. The institution of free marriage still existed (it was abolished only in 1940), but by the end of the 1930s it was no longer as popular as before [2].

Abortion in Soviet Russia was allowed again in 1955 (Decree of November 23, 1955 “On the abolition of the ban on abortion”), after which the growth of abortions increased many times over, while the birth rate fell even more. This reduced the mortality rate among girls who had illegal abortions, but the demographic situation worsened. In the 1970s, the USSR was ahead of the most populous country in the world, China, in terms of the number of abortions.

In 1990–1997 the number of abortions in Russia was more than 2 times higher than the number of births. As for the data for recent years, they vary greatly - following the data of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation, the number of abortions does not exceed about 400 thousand per year (411 in 414 and 2021 in 395). However, many believe that the official figures are greatly underestimated.

In 2022, at the International Scientific and Practical Conference “Abortion and Women’s Health” in Moscow, experts stated that in 2022 Russian women got rid of approximately 1 million 795 thousand unborn children. And Russian State Duma deputy Pyotr Tolstoy, during parliamentary hearings on demographic policy this year, said that from 800 thousand to 1,5 million abortions are performed in Russia annually. The numbers are truly frightening.

Now let's summarize some intermediate results.

Subtotals


Many readers will probably have a question: how can the situation be improved? Therefore, it is necessary to outline the outlines of possible positive changes.

Firstly, Russia needs a return to some traditional values ​​in order to revive the institution of the family. Moderate propaganda should be aimed at reviving conservative values ​​and the traditional model of the distribution of roles between the sexes in society: a man is the head of the family who earns money, a woman is a wife and mother who takes care of the house.

From early childhood, a person should form the idea that relatives should help each other. Let readers not take such an example with hostility, but in a traditional family in the United States in the 1940s and 1950s, relatives were understood not only as parents and children, because kinship relationships were quite widespread. Now many of us do not maintain relationships even with close relatives, and many do not even know what is not good.

The same “wild” peoples, as well as visiting migrants from Central Asia, representatives of the Caucasian peoples, highly respect family traditions, always support their own, and in demographic terms their situation is much better than that of the Russians.

Once again: the author does not say that women should be prohibited from working, there is no talk about this, but a woman, from my point of view, should first of all be a homemaker, and only then a worker.

Secondly, abortions should be made as difficult as possible. Taking into account the availability of contraception, it is not so difficult for a girl/woman to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Therefore, if young people want sex for the sake of sex, then condoms and contraceptives will help them. Abortions should be limited as much as possible and allowed only if:

a) a woman cannot give birth for medical reasons (illness, poor health, etc.);
b) conception occurred as a result of sexual violence.

At this point, the consideration of two aspects should be considered complete. The next material will examine two more factors influencing the demographic situation - urbanization and the economic situation.

Использованная литература:
[1]. Demographic development of Russia: trends, forecasts, measures. National demographic report - 2020 / S. V. Ryazantsev, V. N. Arkhangelsky, O. D. Vorobyova [etc.]; Rep. ed. S. V. Ryazantsev. – M.: United Edition LLC, 2020.
[2]. Tsinchenko G. M. Family policy in the first years of Soviet power // Bulletin of the Nizhny Novgorod University. N.I. Lobachevsky. Series: Social Sciences. 2015. No. 1 (37). pp. 174–182.
[3]. Kollontai A. M. New morality and the working class. – M.: Moscow, 1919. 61 p.
[4]. Quote from: Kollontai A. M. The position of women in the evolution of the economy: Lectures given at the Ya. M. Sverdlov University. – M.: Young Guard, 1923.
[5]. Savchuk A. A. New marriage legislation and its impact on changes in the number of marriages and divorces in the Soviet Far East of the Russian Federation in the 1920s. // Power and management in the East of Russia, 2012, No. 3. – pp. 149–156.
[6]. Priestland D. Red flag: story communism; [transl. from English] / David Priestland. – M.: Eksmo, 2011.
[7]. Kobozeva Z. M., Skachkova U. O. “Victim of abortion”: attitude towards childbirth and abortion in the first years of Soviet power. Bulletin of Samara University. History, pedagogy, philology. Vol. 23. No. 4. 2017. pp. 17–22.
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  1. +21
    14 January 2024 05: 22
    I recently counted my relatives, and I got a bad picture. In about 50 years, 25 people will die, there will be no one left! They don’t give birth, or they don’t want to, or they can’t. This is how three surnames and clans will disappear.
    1. +25
      14 January 2024 08: 03
      Quote: ASAD
      In about 50 years, 25 people will die, there will be no one left! They don't give birth

      But life in Russia has never been as good as under Putin!

      Everyone probably knows the words.
      He is traditionally innocent and sinless.
      The Communists, who laid the mines, and the Anglo-Saxons, who do not accept it, theirs, the bourgeoisie, are to blame for all the problems.
      1. -15
        14 January 2024 09: 15
        Quote: Stas157
        Communists are to blame for all problems
        What are you, how can you
        Russia - only feet in tarpaulin boots,
        And the communists are gods, sitting on images
      2. +3
        14 January 2024 09: 36
        Quote: Stas157
        But life in Russia has never been as good as under Putin!

        Everyone probably knows the words.
        He is traditionally innocent and sinless.
        The Communists, who laid the mines, and the Anglo-Saxons, who do not accept it, theirs, the bourgeoisie, are to blame for all the problems.

        Well, well...... The Russian state needs even more revolutions, perestroikas, cults of personalities, dispossession and social experiments, wars and riots... Yeltsin, Gorbachov, Nicholas II and other degenerates...
        Then there will be no Russians at all! There will be wild hordes of Caucasians robbing each other and isolated inclusions of Chukchi and Yakuts.
        1. +7
          14 January 2024 10: 10
          revolutions, perestroikas, personality cults
          The fact that it was called differently or was not proclaimed does not mean that such a thing did not happen. For example, Tsar Petka with what pleasure started perestroika and chopped off the heads of Russian people.
          You criticize communists. But how did the Holstein Gottorps rule Russia since the 18th century?
          1. +7
            14 January 2024 16: 07
            And this is probably based on how it is here hi
          2. -2
            15 January 2024 13: 14
            Quote: Gardamir
            You criticize communists. But how did the Holstein Gottorps rule Russia since the 18th century?

            tongue You forgot to mention the Normans. Truvor and Rurik! Maybe they are guilty? laughing
            1. +1
              15 January 2024 15: 38
              30 vis. (Yuri). Today, 13:14 - "...You forgot to mention the Normans. Truvor and Rurik!..."
              Dear. I understand school. science fiction writer Karamzin wassat . Petrusha 1's work on "enlightenment" drinks bully (minimum - burning of books and chronicles). I really wanted to become a European and subsequently supposedly his descendants, the Holstein-Gottorps bully mentioned. First opponents: Lomonosov, Tatishchev. Criticism of the Norman theory began in 1749 from Mikhail Lomonosov and Vasily Tatishchev. By the way. remember who the author is -->author ->author bully these pearls. "an expert on Russia. academician." but alas, not a big deal" who neither speaks nor reads Russian. One was immediately "eaten" (Tatishchev). And Lomonovov was disgraced and after his death all his works on this issue with the collected documents were confiscated. I really wanted to please the Romanovs (Holstein-Gottorpov) dastish fantasy on the Russian throne. Although there was enough material left to understand who Rurik is. How do the Varangians differ from the Normans (Vikings). By the way, what could the next “irreplaceable” foreign intellectuals of the Normans GIVE Rus'!? Those who called Rus' “Gardarika” - a country of CITIES!? Finally, even Uncle Misha (Zadornov) made a film with a trip to museums and places in Germany from where Rurik arrived by “order” (by right of family and blood). soldier And again you are Russophobic nonsense... crying hi
              1. 0
                16 January 2024 08: 30
                Quote: boni592807
                And again you are Russophobic nonsense...

                I gave this as an example, for my opponent.. Okay, I’ll add the Polovtsian Khan Konchak and the Scandinavian Svineld is to blame?
        2. 0
          14 January 2024 13: 57
          Wild hordes of Caucasians robbing each other. But in the end, the dying Russians under the command of the Jews are building a bright future.
          1. -3
            14 January 2024 14: 03
            Quote from Deon59
            Wild hordes of Caucasians robbing each other. But in the end, the dying Russians under the command of the Jews are building a bright future.

            Zelensky, Valtsman, Kapitelman, the managers of the former Ukrainian SSR under the supervision of the Soros, Rothschilds and Levis are striving for the extinction of the Russian-Slavic population of Svidoukraine. They are building a bright future for their offspring... It is not their power in Russia yet. God bless . There are other Jews - Jews... Jew Caesar Kunnikov, Yuri Levitan, Janusz Korczak and many others.
            1. +4
              14 January 2024 14: 18
              Stalin, Temirkanov, Georgiev, Petrosyan, Khachaturyan, Danelia, the list can be replenished. And Chubais, Abramovich, Miller, Avel, Greft and others are probably Russian
              1. 0
                14 January 2024 16: 42
                Quote from Deon59
                Stalin, Temirkanov, Georgiev, Petrosyan, Khachaturyan, Danelia, the list can be replenished. And Chubais, Abramovich, Miller, Avel, Greft and others are probably Russian

                Ha, and all the people you listed above are part of the Great Russian culture.. The rest...--- Gref is German. Chubais fled to Israel, became Moisha Izrailevich... Abel is also sitting in Landon. Afraid..... Miller --- Alexey Borisovich Miller was born on January 31, 1962 on the outskirts of Leningrad into a family of employees of the closed military enterprise NPO Leninets. Miller's parents were so-called Russian Germans living in Russia, so the media often publish information about the origin and nationality of the top manager.

                Father Boris Vasilyevich worked as a fitter, and mother Lyudmila Aleksandrovna worked as an engineer. Well ?
                1. 0
                  14 January 2024 17: 29
                  They are representatives of Caucasians, wild peoples - part of the Great Russian culture. We went through this in the 90s when we were people of Caucasian nationality, but as soon as we are needed, we are Russians.
                  Compare Komsomol member Angela Merkel and Komsomol member Putin.
                  1. -2
                    15 January 2024 08: 49
                    Quote from Deon59
                    We were persons of Caucasian nationality, but as soon as we are needed, we are Russians.

                    You have a wild complex... with people of Caucasian nationality. everyone connected with this.. Well, you don’t want to be Russians... Be Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Turks. The Russians oppressed you all, oppressed you, oppressed you, oppressed you.. Just a terrible horror.. Oppressed sellers of vegetables and drugs.
                    1. -1
                      15 January 2024 10: 16
                      This is your wildest inferiority complex. Look for those to blame for all troubles. Looking for a thorn in others when it’s a log and nothing to do with the eye. And sellers of vegetables and drugs. With drugs, the Slovenian population is already ahead here. And it’s probably hard to trade with vegetables. It's better to drink vodka.
                      1. +1
                        15 January 2024 13: 11
                        Quote from Deon59
                        This is your wildest inferiority complex. Look for those to blame for all troubles. Looking for a thorn in others when it’s a log and nothing to do with the eye. And sellers of vegetables and drugs. With drugs, the Slovenian population is already ahead here. And it’s probably hard to trade with vegetables. It's better to drink vodka.

                        No, believe me, there is no inferiority complex because I am Russian... Drugs are being brought in from Central Asia and the Caucasus. It's a sin to drink vodka there, but it's not a sin to smoke rubbish and smoke abomination... And make money from this crap. They sell our vegetables. Here, where I live, local residents trade. There are also Azerbaijanis. They try to slip in cheap, rotten, chemical-stuffed Turkish and their own plastic vegetables and fruits. Passing them off as Crimean... They crawl into all the cracks like cockroaches... But there is no room. Everything is occupied by locals. Why are Azerbaijani citizens not bargaining at home? Is it impossible to trade crap there? drinks
        3. +3
          14 January 2024 19: 08
          Quote: 30 vis
          Then there will be no Russians at all! There will be wild hordes of Caucasians robbing each other and isolated inclusions of Chukchi and Yakuts.

          No, we need stability... it’s so stable now... the main thing is there is no war... but for some reason Russians refuse to give birth to children...
          Quote: 30 vis
          There will be wild hordes of Caucasians robbing each other and isolated inclusions of Chukchi and Yakuts.

          no Tajiks, Uzbeks...Chinese...
      3. -8
        14 January 2024 10: 22
        Quote: Stas157
        But life in Russia has never been as good as under Putin!

        Do you need life like in India, African countries or Southeast Asia?
        There are no problems with the population there.
        1. +7
          14 January 2024 13: 00
          Ah! Well, of course! All that remains is to add - “don’t rock the boat” (c) Yes
          1. 0
            14 January 2024 13: 12
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            Ah! Well, of course! All that remains is to add - “don’t rock the boat”

            The commentary is about the connection between income and fertility, which relates to the topic of the article.
            On the topic have something to say?
            If, as usual, you just raise slogans about how everything is bad here, but everything is good everywhere, that’s enough, there are no questions.
            1. +4
              15 January 2024 03: 36
              Quote: Vasia
              On the topic have something to say?

              The author did not mention a consequence of criminal abortions that is no less, and perhaps more serious than the death of women - very likely infertility after an unqualified abortion, much more often than death by the way.
              And yet, any abortions are prohibited in Poland - does this help Poland much?
              1. +1
                15 January 2024 03: 50
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                And yet, any abortions are prohibited in Poland - does this help Poland much?

                I was not interested in this issue, but below in the comments people are actively discussing it.
            2. -3
              15 January 2024 11: 32
              You can even shower a person with gold and cover him in diamonds, but a mentally healthy woman will not give birth in a madhouse. And the fact that the current government of the Russian Federation is schizoid - don’t go to grandma. For 20 years, all television screens have been proud of the achievements of those who are immediately doused with slop from head to toe.
          2. +1
            14 January 2024 22: 19
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            It remains to add - “don’t rock the boat” (
            What's the point? You could answer in a confidential conversation “what is there to live on,” but here you will answer “that’s how I am.” Did you guess right?
      4. +5
        14 January 2024 19: 04
        Quote: Stas157
        But life in Russia has never been as good as under Putin!

        So every year it’s getting better.. it’s already the 5th economy in the world.. now we’ll catch up with African countries.. laughing hi
        1. +5
          15 January 2024 10: 39
          Quote: Svarog
          So every year it gets better.

          Oh Hello Volodya! hi We live like in a fairy tale - the further we go, the scarier it gets. Pension robbery, crises, sanctions, war... What does the next term have in store for us? I don't even want to imagine!
          1. +1
            15 January 2024 19: 16
            Hi Stas! hi I think it’s like in North Korea... about the same, only with a digital twist... ratings for each citizen... and a cup of rice, according to coupons.
    2. 0
      14 January 2024 19: 02
      Quote: ASAD
      They don’t give birth, or they don’t want to, or they can’t. This is how three surnames and clans will disappear.

      Like relatives? You can ask..why they don’t give birth..)) I think they can..but they don’t want to create poverty
  2. +52
    14 January 2024 05: 35
    The family was usually large

    The reasons for having many children were banally simple - the communal land was divided according to the eaters. More children - more land with annual remeasurement. But as soon as the father of the Russian revolution, Stolypin, so adored by liberals, destroyed communal land ownership, the birth rate immediately crept down. And this is understandable - such a crowd from a fixed, for the most part - not very large allotment, you can’t feed horseradish... The peasantry was poor under the tsar..

    As for modern times, that’s also clear. On the one hand, bourgeois society has formed a demand for a relatively high standard of living. Give me this and this. Advertising comes from every crevice. Consumption comes first. On the other hand, two or more children is a direct path to poverty. Everything related to childhood is very expensive.. Clothes, food, education, entertainment.. And then there is the need for an apartment, and a rather big one.. It’s good when your parents provide it for you - but what if not? What and where to live? If you can’t provide a decent level, then damn guardianship will be added to all your troubles. Who always sticks her filthy snob wherever they don’t ask. Like - you have two children of different sexes - why didn’t you provide each with a separate room? For what kind of shit?? I see all this in the example of my children - the youngest has two offspring, without my help - he would have pulled the hell out of them...

    In Muslim regions, traditionally, there are significantly fewer requests, and the help of large families is significantly greater. Hence the difference.

    So - first they robbed the people, deprived them of their chances for a decent future, and then they wonder why they don’t want to reproduce. Yes, he doesn’t want to, but he can’t! Ugh...
    1. -3
      14 January 2024 06: 17
      Quote: paul3390
      The reasons for having many children were banally simple

      Alas, no science can explain this. The decline in fertility occurs in both rich and poor countries. And it grows a lot after the wars. It is simply impossible to derive any theory here
      1. +38
        14 January 2024 06: 32
        Fertility declines occur in both rich and poor countries

        Rich countries do not at all mean a rich population capable of feeding two or more children without a sharp drop in the standard of living.. Again, the wealth of a country seems to imply a very high level of the desired standard of living, doesn’t it? Because there is something to compare with. Everyone can see how the proliferating elite lives. Moreover, they clearly understand that the way the offspring of thieves live, yours will NEVER live. But I want it - this is exactly the standard that is being promoted!

        When some filthy blogger takes a photo of her tits or a grimacing, mediocre singer earns more in a day than a man working two jobs earns in a year - this, of course, greatly motivates in life. I’m not talking about the golden youth of our leaders...
      2. +22
        14 January 2024 08: 26
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Alas, no science can explain this.

        A woman is giving birth and she needs to be protected.
        In backward countries, women are not asked. And where there is emancipation of women and a woman is left to herself, she decides whether to give birth or not. In Russian regions, women are more emancipated and free. And in the south, women give birth more. But families and family traditions are stronger there.

        For a free Russian woman to give birth, she needs a strong family (and not 70% of divorces), guarantees of a comfortable existence in case of divorce, a good house (not an apartment), and that the salary of one of the parents is enough for the entire large family. Well, and the help of grandparents who retired at 55-60 years old, as was the case in the USSR.
        1. +12
          14 January 2024 09: 45
          Quote: Stas157
          And in the south, women give birth more. But families and family traditions are stronger there.

          In the southern regions, and this is the Caucasus, why be ashamed... There, a woman has one right: to give birth and to remain silent. Education? Yes, she doesn’t need this education... For an educated lady in the Caucasus (Muslim) a small dowry... A woman in the Caucasus is a commodity. Large tape, strong family, more opportunities to rob someone, steal with impunity.
          1. +3
            14 January 2024 14: 05
            There has been no bride price in the Caucasus for a long time. I have nieces, one is a doctor, three children, the other is just a housewife, the same three children. One brother has two children, another three, the youngest has five. One sister has three, the other has four. And I have one daughter
            1. +5
              14 January 2024 14: 07
              Quote from Deon59
              There has been no bride price in the Caucasus for a long time.

              This is the Russified Caucasus, more or less civilized. But the villages and small towns there are still the same. Alas.
              1. +1
                14 January 2024 14: 23
                The Caucasus will never become Russified. I didn’t pay bride price in 86. When my daughter went to kindergarten, she didn’t know Russian, although they lived in the Primorsky Territory.
            2. +2
              14 January 2024 14: 25
              And why are we downvoting, we don’t like it. The fact that the Russian population was declining was known back in Soviet times.
              1. +3
                14 January 2024 16: 32
                Quote from Deon59
                And why are we downvoting, we don’t like it. The fact that the Russian population was declining was known back in Soviet times.

                I was born in the Caucasus. In Georgia, lived there, studied. Didn't live long. But I understand the Caucasian mentality. I don’t see much difference between residents of large cities in the Caucasus and Russia. The same problems and concerns, the same number of children in families. Christian truth... Muslims have a closed society... Clan, clan, teip. Special laws, subordination to the elder clan, clan laws. A kind of mafia. And what's good about that?
        2. +11
          14 January 2024 12: 40
          Quote: Stas157
          For a free Russian woman to give birth, a strong family is needed (and not 70% of divorces)
          Most of these divorces were initiated by this free woman.
          Quote: Stas157
          guarantees of a comfortable existence in case of divorce
          This is why we have so many divorces: men are robbed in favor of women, encouraging the breakdown of the family. Start leaving the children to the person whose apartment it is, rather than giving the apartment to a woman with children, demand payment of the same amount of child support from both with control of expenses on the card (so that money for children is used specifically for children, use on others is considered as theft from children) and the number of divorces will sharply decrease - it will simply become unprofitable to get a divorce, and not as it is now.
          1. +2
            14 January 2024 19: 13
            Quote: bk0010
            This is why we have so many divorces: men are robbed in favor of women, encouraging the breakdown of the family. Start leaving the children to the person whose apartment it is, rather than giving the apartment to a woman with children, demand payment of the same amount of child support from both with control of expenses on the card (so that money for children is used specifically for children, use on others is considered as theft from children) and the number of divorces will sharply decrease - it will simply become unprofitable to get a divorce, and not as it is now.

            Exactly..but this is only one of the measures that must be taken..
        3. 0
          23 January 2024 15: 23
          Let me add that 80% of divorces are initiated by women.
      3. +21
        14 January 2024 08: 43
        This problem is multifaceted. Take the same Soviet Union with a population of 263 million. From year to year this number grew. But only due to Central Asia and the Caucasus with Transcaucasia. The same number in the Smolensk region, for example, was at the level of 1 million and decreased slightly. Yes, women worked, families usually had two children. How can we increase the birth rate now? A partial ban on abortion will not solve this problem. Stimulating the family through some kind of subsidies for non-working women? This is funny, looking at the marginalized, gypsies, etc.. .Where are the states all around sitting on the neck...Propaganda of family values?Looking at the awkwardness of this in our society, it will most likely have the opposite effect.And people are simply at a dead end in life.Would there be prospects, a social lift?But this does not apply to current Russian feudalism
        1. +10
          14 January 2024 10: 17
          By the way, we are discussing what is written in the article. But the article does not talk about aggressive advertising of child free. Life without children. Life is a pleasure, but children are responsibilities.
          I don't know anything else right now. Not long ago, they also aggressively promoted the idea that if a child is not needed, throw it in a box as if it were garbage. And kind uncles and aunties will find use for those born in Russia.
        2. +10
          14 January 2024 12: 43
          Promoting family values?

          Forget this propaganda right away - people already have an anti-reflex to these smiling advertising milfs with hyper-happy heterosexual schoolboys, it will fly by like beer.
          However, due to the stupidity of those who will do this, I think that they will pour significant funds into propaganda. It’s clearer to them, but the result... whatever it is, “the result is nothing, let it be everything.”
          1. +9
            14 January 2024 13: 24
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            Forget this propaganda right away - people already have an anti-reflex to these smiling advertising milfs with hyper-happy heterosexual schoolboys, it will fly by like beer.

            Propaganda is also needed, but only when it does not diverge from reality.
        3. +2
          14 January 2024 21: 57
          Dima, criticizing, suggest.
          Under feudalism, people also reproduce. The author wondered how our feudalism differs from Samali and Tajik.
          with abortions, well, it’s a so-so measure to raise the population - people should learn to fuck, otherwise they get married on the fly and then two out of three get divorced
          two hundred dugs all the men gathered here. tried to lure our girls to discuss how experts don’t come - don’t you know why?
      4. +12
        14 January 2024 13: 22
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        It is simply impossible to derive any theory here

        Bullshit. The reason is economics. And this is visible to the naked eye. But supporters of proper capitalism are ready to invent any crazy theory just not to admit that their beloved capitalism is to blame.
    2. -9
      14 January 2024 09: 33
      Between Stolypin and modernity, the USSR was, if you remember. Why is the birth rate constantly declining there?
    3. +9
      14 January 2024 12: 23
      Quote: paul3390
      As for modern times, that’s also clear. On the one hand, bourgeois society has formed a demand for a relatively high standard of living. Give me this and this. Advertising comes from every crevice. Consumption comes first. On the other hand, two or more children is a direct path to poverty. Everything related to childhood is very expensive.. Clothes, food, education, entertainment.. And then there is the need for an apartment, and a rather big one.. It’s good when your parents provide it for you - but what if not? What and where to live? If you can’t provide a decent level, then damn guardianship will be added to all your troubles. Who always sticks her filthy snob wherever they don’t ask. Like - you have two children of different sexes - why didn’t you provide each with a separate room? What kind of shit??.........So - first they robbed the people, deprived them of their chances for a decent future, and then they wonder why they don’t want to reproduce. Yes, he doesn’t want to, but he can’t! Ugh..

      This is perhaps the best comment! hi
      1. +11
        14 January 2024 12: 32
        hi hi drinks

        - Barrymore, what was that howling so terribly in the swamps tonight?
        - Sorry sir, it hurts...
    4. +7
      14 January 2024 15: 03
      If you can’t provide a decent level, then damn guardianship will be added to all your troubles. Who always sticks her filthy snob wherever they don’t ask. Like - you have two children of different sexes - why didn’t you provide each with a separate room?

      Well, I don’t know, I don’t know... The guardianship once called me to check the data that I still had three children. No, I say, four. They didn't bother me anymore.
      In fact, for a wife to give birth, she must be confident in her man that he will not abandon her and the children in difficult times. There is a big problem with responsible fathers.
      1. +11
        14 January 2024 15: 11
        Yeah.. But a man should also be sure that his wife won’t wag her tail tomorrow, leaving him in only his shorts and with crazy alimony payments, right? What do we get? So you started a family, children, you work like hell at two jobs, she sits at home, and suddenly pop - and all this is like jointly acquired property, half of which is confiscated from you, plus - you are charged with expenses not only for the maintenance of children, but often also his ex-wife... Curtain. How many of us will be able to get back on our feet after this, start all over again and start a new family?
        1. +8
          14 January 2024 15: 38
          It’s not necessary to have children right away. Live together for a couple of years and you can form a fairly accurate picture of the person. You can, of course, be wrong. It happens that a person suddenly falls into poverty (this happened to me, but not for family reasons), but you shouldn’t give up. The strong are not the ones who have never fallen. The strong one is the one who gets up after falling. And family and children are what makes life worth living.
    5. -4
      14 January 2024 22: 47
      Quote: paul3390
      As soon as the father of the Russian revolution, Stolypin, so adored by liberals, destroyed communal land ownership, the birth rate immediately crept down
      The communists hated Stolypin for his appeal to them.
      “For the last fifteen years, turning to the communists, liberals have been repeating the words of Stolypin the hangman: “You need great upheavals, but we need Great Russia!” “Yes!” - we answer. Today we, the communists, we, the people of Russia, need precisely great upheavals in order to remove your system, improve people's lives and make it more humane, and restore the greatness of our Motherland."
      You crave great shocks and that’s why you hate him so much.
      1. +4
        14 January 2024 23: 55
        Yes, it hurts to hate him.. The bird is of the wrong flight. But the fact that he was, to put it mildly, not very smart and didn’t understand a damn thing about what needs to be done with the country is a complete shame. All his undertakings were extremely abstract and had nothing to do with the aspirations of the Russian people. Hence the result.
        1. -6
          15 January 2024 00: 40
          Quote: paul3390
          All his undertakings were extremely abstract
          Which ones exactly? The fact that he transferred ownership of the land to the peasants? So the Bolsheviks shouted “Land to the peasants!” I saw what collectivization became for the USSR on the shelves of grocery stores. Thanks, no!
        2. +1
          15 January 2024 11: 05
          Well, as it were, the real “culprit” of the economic miracle of the Russian Empire is S.Yu. Witte, and Stolypin is more, as it is now fashionable to say, a crisis manager who spent 6 years sorting out the mess created by the worthless Tsar-Father Nicholas II after a severe defeat in the Russo-Japanese War ( the fleet ceased to exist, the loss of half of Sakhalin and Manchurian territories) with the revolution of 1905. He brought order, did the administration, relatively tamed the Duma - for which the Tsar Father gave him gratitude in the form of agent Bagrov with a revolver. If the Tsar Father had not wanted it, there would have been no such result
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          2. -1
            16 January 2024 08: 51
            Quote from hazarn
            If the Tsar Father had not wanted it, there would have been no such result
            Do you find any motive for the king? Then the next action should be to purge those who were aware of this. Even in the Soviet school of M. Pokrovsky’s students (“history is politics thrown back into the past”) I have not encountered such an advanced version. The people thanked the Tsar after God for everything good and associated him first with everything bad that happened to him; again, as God's punishment. And then - bam, and with one blow, two birds with one stone.
            1. -1
              16 January 2024 09: 04
              Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
              associated the first with everything bad
              A little something: “the tsar is good, but the boyars are bad” - this is not from the people, but as if from the people from the play of the “red count” A.K. Tolstoy (boyar).
  3. +33
    14 January 2024 05: 43
    Strange article, there is only one reason for the low birth rate - poverty.

    With an average salary (Rosstat reported that it is 70 thousand rubles), a man cannot adequately provide for his wife and one-year-old child.

    Talking about abortion and values ​​with such an economic model is meaningless.

    Most of the migrants breed poverty; as long as there are remnants of the Soviet social system, they somehow survive. If migrants are deprived of free schools and medicine + harsh climate, they will also begin to die out.
    1. +41
      14 January 2024 06: 02
      cannot adequately provide for his wife and one-year-old child

      Yeah... Also, my wife, brought up in a consumer society, sucks my brain out - why don’t we go on vacation to the sea, and why don’t I go to Versace, and why haven’t I been able to change my fur coat for three years, and why don’t you give me a subscription to salons? you buy, why is your car so old and not fashionable, and why... And so on and so on..

      And guardianship - why is your apartment so small, why is there not a separate room and washing machine for each child, why are there no pickles in the refrigerator, why are the children enrolled in few clubs, why are they not dressed in fashion... And so on and so on... I when I talked to these filthy rats, I could barely restrain myself so as not to let these bastards down the stairs... A couple more performances - and I wouldn’t vouch for myself..

      And the man is also still young, he actually also has his own needs! I would like something more from life and for myself! And what in such a situation - hang himself out of grief? Or go rob a bank? Because working two jobs without days off or holidays from a young age is also not life, and it doesn’t take long to glue fins together.. Besides, does a man even need to do this, to ruin himself like that? And for the sake of what - so that later the state will tell you that it did not ask you to have children at all, and once you have produced children, you will live on pasta? All this is superimposed on the understanding that what happens next will only get worse; the older the children become, the demands and expenses will increase exponentially.

      Moreover, you clearly see that certain segments of the population live simply orders of magnitude better than you, and they live by outright theft. Somehow this doesn’t motivate me at all...
      1. +10
        14 January 2024 10: 52
        Quote: paul3390
        Yeah... Also, my wife, brought up in a consumer society, sucks my brain out - why don’t we go on vacation to the sea, and why don’t I go to Versace, and why haven’t I been able to change my fur coat for three years, and why don’t you give me a subscription to salons? you buy, why is your car so old and not fashionable, and why... And so on and so on..
        This is exactly the consumer society, in my opinion, the main reason (as well as the development of social networks). Even if they double their income, they will simply spend more. Instead of Turkey they will go to Cuba, for example. And so on down the list. To have a child you need a bigger car, like it won’t fit into a regular one, although in the past we did without it at all
        1. +5
          14 January 2024 13: 27
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          This is exactly the consumer society, in my opinion, the main reason

          Not the main one. The main growth of productive forces and, as a consequence, transformation of the economy.
    2. +30
      14 January 2024 06: 41
      Quote: Saigava
      Strange article, there is only one reason for the low birth rate - poverty.
      With an average salary (Rosstat reported that it is 70 thousand rubles), a man cannot adequately provide for his wife and one-year-old child.

      It should be noted that such an average salary exists only in Rosstat reports. And so, in general, it’s true, to simplify, the reasons for the low birth rate are: a) Poverty b) Lack of housing c) Lack of “faith in tomorrow”, people feel unprotected d) Lack of meaning in life (no perspective) and only then the influence of society consumption, which cannot be abolished under capitalism.
      And this was written many times in comments on numerous articles about traditional values ​​at VO. But the authors stubbornly (together with the Russian authorities) tell us about traditional values.
      The logic of the authorities here is this: what kind of salary and work do you need, what social elevators, this is all Bolshevism, this is what Alexandra Kollontai whispered to you. Don't listen to her naughty girl.
      You better profess traditional values, the main one of which is to listen to your superiors in everything and not to stop him from stealing, because this has been the custom in Rus' from time immemorial.
      If you want a job, go to the SVO zone and earn money. And if you die, well, it’s better than from vodka.
      1. +19
        14 January 2024 08: 54
        This “average salary” is adjusted to the elections. Personally, I get that much. But the people around me, with whom I work, friends and acquaintances, their families receive less. In rural areas, personal farming helps, but you also need to invest there
        1. +10
          14 January 2024 12: 20
          Yes, I’m also not a very poor person. But I barely have enough for two grandchildren. It’s scary to even imagine what would happen if my eldest finally got married and multiplied. I definitely wouldn’t have been able to handle that much. And they themselves can’t pull it off without me, despite the fact that they also don’t seem to be idle...
          1. +6
            14 January 2024 12: 39
            In general, what is considered poverty in our country? These 70 thousand are spent from paycheck to paycheck. Plus pensions, mine and my wife’s. That is, we are not middle class.. We can’t save at the same time. Because children need to be educated. It just so happened that we have late children. So figure out what amounts our poverty line starts at. About 16% is a lie from the authorities.
            1. +11
              14 January 2024 12: 42
              Should we provide housing for everyone? What about the needs of children, who, having also seen enough of the world around them, want a lot? How can I explain to them that they will never have even a third of what is advertised?
        2. +10
          14 January 2024 16: 18
          In the village, you not only need to invest in this personal farm, but work there as if it were a second job.
      2. -19
        14 January 2024 09: 47
        Quote: Belisarius
        reasons for low birth rate: a) Poverty b) Lack of housing c) Lack of “faith in tomorrow”, people feel unprotected d) Lack of meaning in life (no perspective) and only then the influence of consumer society
        Were there the same reasons for low birth rates in the USSR? Or "this is different"?
        1. +14
          14 January 2024 11: 19
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          Were there the same reasons for low birth rates in the USSR? Or "this is different"?

          The USSR quickly recovered after WW2. And this is neither more nor less than minus 30 million people! Even during Gorbachev’s perestroika, the USSR added 2-3 million people every year. And this, mind you, without an influx of migrants!

          Russia has a negative birth rate. Nevertheless, there are those who try to generalize two completely different pictures.
          1. -17
            14 January 2024 11: 26
            In response to the thesis about fertility, there is no need to provide data on growth, this is distortion. Provide data on birth rates, or compare growth with growth.
            1. +9
              14 January 2024 11: 32
              All data is open. See and bring it yourself. There is only one indisputable conclusion from them: they gave birth then, but now they don’t.
          2. -16
            14 January 2024 11: 37
            Quote: Stas157
            Russia has a negative birth rate.
            laughing It doesn’t happen: “Mom, give birth to me back” - it’s a joke. Understand the terminology a little.
        2. +9
          14 January 2024 15: 21
          The USSR - in post-Stalin times, fell for exactly the same bourgeois wiring. When, out of the best intentions, the growth of the well-being of the Soviet people was put at the forefront. And they immediately raked me - because the inflated expectations formed by the state and society did not correspond at all to the realities... Like - I’ll get at least a three-room apartment, buy a car, rise to the rank of boss - then I’ll have a bunch of children. Otherwise, why should I procreate, since my children should certainly live no worse than their neighbors? Is that how it all happened? But the fact that consumption, even under socialism, cannot satisfy such demands for everyone has never occurred to anyone...

          Now - the situation, even in comparison with the Soviet type of stagnation, is simply catastrophic.. Because to the inflated expectations is added a clear example of the fact that certain evil spirits live very poorly for themselves, while not doing a damn thing useful..
          1. +4
            14 January 2024 22: 05
            To the point. Being determines consciousness.
            P.S. And the beneficiaries of the mortgage are already known
        3. +13
          14 January 2024 19: 36
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          Were there the same reasons for low birth rates in the USSR? Or "this is different"?

          There was no low birth rate in the USSR. In the RSFSR, after the demographic transition (urbanization) in 1965-1966, the level was 2,125. in 1988 (the last Soviet year before radical market reforms) - 2,1. That is, it has not decreased in 23 years. For comparison, in the Russian Federation it is now -1,44.
          Throughout the USSR in 1965-1966 the birth rate was -2,45, and in 1988 the same 2,45.
          In absolute numbers Natural increase The population of the RSFSR in 1988 was 788 thousand people (in 1987, generally under a million). Already in 1993 natural extinction at 750 thousand. In 2022 there will be 600 thousand extinctions.
          It's easy to calculate that Every year capitalism and the rule of an anti-people (and in fact an anti-human regime) cost Russia approximately 1,5 million victims. This is comparable to a very major war. This happens every year.
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          2. -9
            14 January 2024 23: 17
            Quote: Belisarius
            There was no low birth rate in the USSR.
            It turns out that the Central Asian republics lived more fun, more freely in the USSR? This is how the communists tortured the Russian people. laughing
      3. +16
        14 January 2024 11: 08
        Quote: Belisarius
        And if you die, well, it’s better than from vodka.

        When one character publicly said this to the mother of a deceased soldier, I was simply blown away by his impudence!
    3. +17
      14 January 2024 07: 04
      Quote: Saigava
      Talking about abortion and values ​​with such an economic model is meaningless.

      Are you being deprived of this in vain? The meaning here is quite definite: “it was so great until the Bolsheviks came and destroyed everything...” That’s just the population of the USSR, incl. and the RSFSR, constantly growing...
      1. -11
        14 January 2024 08: 30
        Quote: Doccor18
        That's just the population of the USSR, incl. and the RSFSR, was constantly growing

        But the growth rate was constantly declining compared to pre-revolutionary levels.
        1. +17
          14 January 2024 09: 00
          Quote: Dart2027
          But the growth rate was constantly declining compared to pre-revolutionary levels.

          This is quite logical, comparing the lives of people at the beginning of the century and at the end, changes are natural, and they were in everything. We compare incomparable things. It’s one thing when life itself dictates that survival is facilitated by a larger number of children (working hands), another is living in an apartment with all amenities, with a general increase in culture/education/self-development of all family members... In the second case, being born into a family is simply incredible 16 children (my father personally knew several similar village families). Of course, the birth rate fell in the USSR in comparison with the pre-revolutionary era (where 3/4 of the population lived in the countryside), but the population in the Union continued to grow 70 years after the famous events, and this is the main thing. But then “the market decided” and we are now reaping the fruits of this “decision”...
          1. -1
            14 January 2024 09: 16
            Quote: Doccor18
            This is quite logical, comparing the lives of people at the beginning of the century and at the end, changes are natural, and they were in everything.

            There is a fact.
            Quote: Doccor18
            but the population in the Union continued to grow 70 years after the famous events

            In some Tajikistan or Dagestan it is still growing.
            1. +16
              14 January 2024 09: 52
              Why in “somewhere”, everywhere the population grew, in the RSFSR it grew, in the village of my childhood it grew, in the towns of my relatives and friends it grew... And what is noteworthy, not at the expense of the brothers from the Central Asian republics...
              1. -2
                14 January 2024 11: 08
                Quote: Doccor18
                everywhere the population grew, in the RSFSR it grew

                but the growth rate gradually decreased.
                1. +13
                  14 January 2024 11: 27
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  but the growth rate gradually decreased.

                  To negative values ​​or something, how is it now?
                  What are you trying to say?
                  Was it bad then or good now?
                  1. -3
                    14 January 2024 12: 00
                    Quote: Stas157
                    To negative values ​​or something, how is it now?

                    This is what it was all about.
                    Quote: Stas157
                    What are you trying to say?
                    The fact that
                    mantras that say everything is due to poverty, but if you return the USSR, then everyone will immediately rush to give birth - this is nonsense. The reason is a change in mentality, mainly among women. Was this inevitable? Hard to tell. But even China, which literally 30 years ago did not know how to limit the birth rate, is now also faced with the problems of its sharp decline.
                    1. +5
                      14 January 2024 12: 05
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      This is what it was all about.

                      It went, but it didn’t come. Or maybe it didn’t work at all!
                      You are assuming something that didn't happen. And in history, as we know, there are no subjunctive moods.
                      1. -3
                        14 January 2024 13: 14
                        Quote: Stas157
                        It went, but it didn’t come. Or maybe it didn’t work at all!

                        We compare growth rates at different times.
                    2. +8
                      14 January 2024 13: 36
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      The reason is a change in mentality, mainly among women.

                      How long can you wander in three pines? The reason is economics. And yes, if the USSR is returned, the birth rate will not immediately increase. This is a very inertial process. But in this case it will be possible to raise it to an acceptable level, which is fundamentally not observed under capitalism. And yes, if you return that USSR, then the same shortcomings that led to its disaster will return. Therefore, it is necessary to build a socialist state taking into account all previous experience, and not blindly copy.
                      1. -3
                        14 January 2024 14: 13
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        How long can you wander in three pines?

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Therefore, it is necessary to build a socialist state taking into account all previous experience, and not blindly copy.

                        That you are self-critical.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The reason is in the economy.
                        Uh-huh.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But even China, which literally 30 years ago did not know how to limit the birth rate, is now also faced with the problems of its sharp decline.
                        This is not to mention quite prosperous countries and quite prosperous sections of the population.
        2. -9
          14 January 2024 12: 15
          In the Russian Federation, from 1992 to 2012 there was even a negative increase (natural decline), but after that they turned positive again.
          1. -2
            14 January 2024 13: 15
            Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
            but after that they went into profit again

            This is not the case in the USSR.
            1. -1
              14 January 2024 16: 59
              No. But to write that the reason is in the economy should be with the caveat “indirectly” if population growth is highest in economically underdeveloped countries. China is the largest economy, and even with the Communist Party at its head. Nevertheless,
              In 2016, families were allowed to have two children. However, the positive effect of this was short-lived and lasted only a couple of years: the birth rate continued to fall and, for example, at the end of 2020 it decreased by another 20% - to 12 million newborns (the lowest figure since 1961).
              We have the highest birth rate in the republics of the North Caucasus, among the Chukchi, Altaians, i.e. far from being in the most economically developed part, and the lowest birth rate is in the Non-Black Earth Region. Economic development is often associated with a shift in values: from social to material, which is why the birth rate is falling.
              1. +1
                14 January 2024 17: 09
                Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                Economic development is often associated with a shift in values: from social to material, which is why the birth rate is falling.

                So I already know this. And I’m trying to explain to some who, besides “but in the USSR!!!” they don't want to know anything.
                1. -5
                  14 January 2024 17: 24
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I’m trying to explain to some who, besides “but in the USSR!!!” they don't want to know anything.
                  For many, this is just a means to spit on modern Russia, so they don’t want to delve into the nuances of childbirth. smile
                  1. 0
                    14 January 2024 17: 35
                    Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                    For many, this is just a means to spit on modern Russia

                    So.
      2. -20
        14 January 2024 09: 53
        Quote: Doccor18
        That's just the population of the USSR, incl. and the RSFSR, constantly growing...
        It’s not good to lie: it constantly decreased, excluding the time of Stalin’s rule before the war and a little after it. Under Putin, the birth rate is slowly but growing.
        1. +16
          14 January 2024 09: 58
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          It’s not good to lie: it was constantly decreasing

          The question is which of us is lying. The population of the RSFSR in the early 50s and before the collapse of the USSR increased by 38 million people. - this is a fact, not some kind of propaganda...
          1. -21
            14 January 2024 10: 05
            Quote: Doccor18
            The population of the RSFSR in the early 50s and before the collapse of the USSR increased by 38 million people.
            It also increased under the kings, only much faster. For almost the entire Brezhnev period, growth rates decreased, but under Putin they are growing. And who is lying here?
            1. +16
              14 January 2024 10: 35
              Birth rate or importation of Central Asians?
              1. -11
                14 January 2024 14: 21
                Quote: Gardamir
                Birth rate or importation of Central Asians?
                Under the tsar, there was no import; in the USSR, labor migrants were captured Germans, Vietnamese, and Turks. Residents of Soviet republics were not classified as such, but today they are.
                1. +8
                  14 January 2024 14: 33
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  in the USSR, labor migrants were captured Germans, Vietnamese, and Turks.

                  They were not given passports with citizenship.
            2. +9
              14 January 2024 11: 45
              It also increased under the kings, only much faster.

              The reasons for the birth rate under the kings have already been explained to you in a popular way? What was stated incomprehensibly?
              1. -10
                14 January 2024 13: 44
                Quote: paul3390
                seems to have been explained popularly
                Use the “popular” explanations yourself, I wrote, “what’s not clear,” or did you not get the hang of it?
          2. -2
            14 January 2024 17: 11
            Quote: Doccor18
            The question is which of us is lying.
            In this case, I lied: not the population, but the birth rate was almost constantly declining. I've already signed up, I need to take a break.
        2. +9
          14 January 2024 13: 39
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          Lying is bad

          But can you? Is this something else? And what do we have there after 2012?
          1. -7
            14 January 2024 14: 00
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And what do we have there after 2012?
            Nowadays, it’s mainly those who were born in the 90s who are giving birth, and there were very few of them, so there is a natural decline again. Under tsarism there was only growth.
    4. Msi
      +4
      14 January 2024 09: 14
      With an average salary (Rosstat reported that it is 70 thousand rubles), a man cannot adequately provide for his wife and one-year-old child.
      What does worthy mean? Everyone has different criteria...
    5. +4
      14 January 2024 10: 29
      Quote: Saigava
      Strange article, there is only one reason for the low birth rate - poverty.

      You write nonsense, just in regions where poverty is off the charts, there are absolutely no problems with the birth rate, even despite the high mortality rate, but in countries with a high standard of living there are problems, and the population there is supported only by migrants from poor countries.
      1. +4
        15 January 2024 01: 21
        The countries you write about have completely different climatic conditions.

        My conclusions concern countries with a northern, harsh climate. Nordic countries cannot afford African poverty levels.
        1. -1
          15 January 2024 03: 40
          Quote: Saigava
          My conclusions concern countries with a northern, harsh climate. Nordic countries cannot afford African poverty levels.

          Your conclusions are also not correct for the northern countries, population growth there is due to migrants from poorer countries, there are plenty of statistics.
    6. +11
      14 January 2024 11: 05
      Quote: Saigava
      There is only one reason for low birth rates - poverty

      A gross simplification. At a minimum, urbanization, emancipation and consumerism should also be taken into account. Uncertainty about the future goes there too.
      1. +3
        15 January 2024 09: 06
        Fertility is low because:
        1)Consumerism
        2) Expensive housing
        3) Lack of ideology
        4) Incorrect financial priorities of the economy (How much money is spent on football these days??)
    7. -12
      14 January 2024 11: 55
      Quote: Saigava
      Most of the migrants breed poverty; as long as there are remnants of the Soviet social system, they somehow survive. If migrants are deprived of free schools and medicine + harsh climate, they will also begin to die out.
      How is it possible that Russians were deprived of free schools and medicine? Or the migrants are all going to Sochi.
  4. +21
    14 January 2024 05: 53
    Divorce - well, it would be simple, it is very beneficial to women. Half of the property + alimony + housing alimony and you don’t have to spend it on children
    Would you voluntarily jump with a parachute, knowing that in 80% of cases it will not open...
    And the men stubbornly continue to jump
  5. +26
    14 January 2024 05: 57
    The author demonstrates the same style as in the article about Marxism. Mixes cucumbers with boots. Problems from 100 years ago, ideology, abortion, traditional values ​​(which he nicely defines as following traditional values smile ), etc., etc. If you understand this stream of negations of negations, you can go crazy.
    In short, “traditional values” (if we even try to put at least some meaning into this term) are characteristic of a peasant society of the pre-industrial type. Socialist modernization is fundamentally different from capitalist modernization, but what they are similar in is that within their framework these values ​​are a priori impossible. It is impossible to turn the minced meat back, and you cannot restore meat from it. So it is impossible to “restore” these values. However, the author here is in the mainstream of propaganda of the Russian authorities. Which, like, “fight” for these values. But in their understanding, these “traditional values” are simply conservation of their power and property within the framework of the post-Soviet Russian Federation.
    Abortions are not at all a significant problem now; their restriction is generally useful, but cannot have any strong impact on the birth rate.
    In the Russian Federation, completely different processes are taking place - as the Soviet legacy was stolen and consumed, an archaic economy of peripheral capitalism was formed, but such an archaic economy and society does not at all “return to the traditional values” of the pre-industrial era.
    Russians are dying out because their culture and the state they formed are incompatible with this way of life of peripheral capitalism. And he simply cannot ensure the survival of the people on our cold land.
    1. +26
      14 January 2024 06: 22
      In the Russian Federation, completely different processes are taking place.

      But as soon as the fried chicken bites into the wrinkled state tail, it immediately turns out that you have, like, an unpayable debt to your homeland! Which you simply must immediately run to give back.. What kind of cancer it formed, if this state did not give you anything, but only took away all your time - only Allah knows..

      Here's to me - the Soviet state gave everything, absolutely everything I have in life. Housing, education, upbringing, childhood, youth... When I caught severe pneumonia at the age of 7, they sent me to a sanatorium in Gagra for two years with my mother for free. Here it is to him - I owe it nowhere else, and I am very depressed by the thought that I have a debt to him, which I stupidly could not repay when it was desperately necessary.. But nothing - I hope it’s not evening yet, even though I’ve already had years .. God willing, I will give it again, and without even thinking for a second.

      But when did I manage to owe money to the bourgeois Russian Federation?? If I have never seen any help from her in my life? Just extortion? Who would explain..
      1. +9
        14 January 2024 06: 42
        Quote: paul3390
        But when did I manage to owe money to the bourgeois Russian Federation?? If I have never seen any help from her in my life? Just extortion? Who would explain..

        And if only relatives are supposed to help, then the question of the state’s debts naturally arises...
      2. +16
        14 January 2024 07: 07
        When I caught severe pneumonia at the age of 7, they sent me to a sanatorium in Gagra with my mother for two years for free.
        But now, for a child with a serious illness, they are collecting money for treatment via SMS...
      3. +12
        14 January 2024 07: 34
        hi I wonder if during the USSR there were articles in which they wrote about demography? The authorities themselves somehow took measures to improve. Medicine, recreation, cheap affordable clothing for children, books, food..... And now the authorities really don’t know how to improve diaphragmography recourse recourse he thinks... he asks.... Very doubtful. How to optimize ---- knows how to digitalize ---- knows how to raise prices and explain --- also knows..... But he doesn’t know about demographics. I can't believe it. It’s just that this “concern” about demographics seems like window dressing. And if you remember the woman deputy who was going to forcefully influence for the sake of demography, then you can definitely remember the words about “increasing the number of livestock.”
        1. +15
          14 January 2024 10: 57
          Quote: Reptiloid
          The authorities themselves somehow took measures to improve. Medicine, recreation, cheap affordable clothing for children, books, food.....
          The Bolsheviks introduced maternity leave, the first in the world, and almost one of their first decrees, in 1917. The author’s attacks on the Soviet government in terms of the birth rate are simply ridiculous. By the way, the ban on child labor and the eight-hour working day are also them.
          1. +8
            14 January 2024 12: 55
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            ..... The Bolsheviks introduced maternity leave, the first in the world, and almost one of their first decrees, in 1917. The author’s attacks on the Soviet government in terms of the birth rate are simply ridiculous. By the way, the ban on child labor and the eight-hour working day.

            Simultaneously with maternity leave, which was subsequently increased more than once, kindergartens and nurseries, including 24-hour ones, immediately began to open. Industrialization was taking place, it was necessary to work a lot, and the young Soviet government helped families. Also, schools, sanatoriums, clubs, and sections were opened. Stadiums. Of which there was not a single one under the king.
            At that time there were no refrigerators and there was a shortage of food. Therefore, institutional child nutrition was important for families. Also food for adults at work and medical care there. It was all about helping families. The dormitories had canteens. Factory kitchens also became available. Where it was possible to have inexpensive or prepared food or semi-finished products.
            Interestingly, yes, there was a theory glasses of water after the Revolution. And what? It was like a protest against bourgeois “values”. This was sorted out later. And what happened in the 90s? A protest against Bolshevik values, or what? Women with low social status suddenly became almost heroines. And all sorts of horses and ballerinas began to teach Russian boys and girls how to do things from TV screens. And then the Internet began to help a lot with this. feel belay am There was nothing like this under the Bolsheviks! It's time to remember about the "naked ones" wassat crying laughing
      4. +14
        14 January 2024 09: 01
        But when did I manage to owe money to the bourgeois Russian Federation??
        And the modern Russian Federation doesn’t owe us anything and hasn’t asked us to give birth...Remember? And now it turns out he’s just demanding to give birth. But still nothing should happen. And when did the bourgeoisie owe the common people? The common people always owe the bourgeoisie.
    2. -13
      14 January 2024 10: 27
      Quote: Belisarius
      in their understanding, these “traditional values” are simply conservation of their power and property
      This is not “their understanding”, but your misunderstanding (denial) of traditional values.
  6. +21
    14 January 2024 06: 00
    Nasty article.
    “Secondly, abortions should be made as complicated as possible. Taking into account the availability of contraception, it is not so difficult for a girl/woman to avoid an unwanted pregnancy” - my daughter is a resuscitation doctor - with permitted abortions, almost every week after clandestine abortions, a client goes to the operating room are coming...
    In general, read Dreiser's "American Tragedy."
    1. -5
      14 January 2024 08: 53
      It is high time to recognize that life begins from the moment of conception. Therefore, abortion should be equated to murder and prohibited at the legislative level. For clandestine abortions, the strictest punishment should be introduced for those who perform them.
      1. +8
        14 January 2024 09: 11
        I’m interested in your opinion about the ban on wars at the legislative level...
        1. -8
          14 January 2024 09: 57
          Any law is valid only if there is a force that ensures its implementation. Only the strongest can prohibit war. An example is the Pax Romana, a 200-year period of relative calm due to the power of Rome. So the world must become unipolar for the law banning war to apply. A little off topic, of course.
          1. +6
            14 January 2024 10: 04
            Quote: Glock-17
            Any law is valid only if there is a force that ensures its implementation.

            Well, then in the entire history of mankind there has never been such a force...
    2. +6
      14 January 2024 08: 57
      Nasty little article
      This author has fascist personalities in his articles, revolutionary conservatives.
    3. +9
      14 January 2024 11: 06
      This is the most important argument in favor of official abortions. It’s just that illegal abortions will increase many times over, with all the consequences.
      “Prohibition laws” also led to an increase in poisoning with surrogate alcohol, and as a result, they did not take root anywhere. The same thing will happen with abortions. hi
      1. +7
        14 January 2024 11: 10
        There will also be more babies in trash cans.... This has happened more than once in the history of mankind, but apparently the rakes are scattered so temptingly...
    4. 0
      14 January 2024 13: 06
      Quote: mat-vey
      ..... In general, read Dreiser's "American Tragedy".

      I never read it. request But in one of the novels of the American science fiction writer of the last century, Robert Sheckley, there were absurd announcements of a “distorted world” And among them is abortion on the day of treatment. Now, it seems, it’s reality.
      1. +3
        14 January 2024 13: 17
        Yes, there, in short, the silly girl became pregnant by a young but promising scoundrel who dreams of climbing the social ladder. Due to the prohibitions, wraps were very expensive and when the opportunity arose, he drowned her.... not exactly on purpose, but he took advantage of the opportunity.. And then politicians took advantage of the opportunity...
        1. +4
          14 January 2024 13: 31
          I remember there was a movie like that. And it would seem, why didn’t he go to women with low social responsibility? After all, this opportunity was there! Where is the capitalist education here? And where are the capitalist values? (Sarcasm) laughing
          1. +3
            14 January 2024 13: 38
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And it would seem, why didn’t he go to women with low social responsibility?

            But I went... But I want something “big and clean”... with minimal investment...
            1. +3
              14 January 2024 13: 46
              Quote: mat-vey
              ..... But I went... But I want something “big and clean”... with minimal investment..

              No investment at all? And where are bourgeois morals and family values, his responsibility, including her correct upbringing? Couldn’t it have happened without the Bolsheviks here too? That's how it is. laughing and the author writes to us about families during capitalism.
              1. +6
                14 January 2024 13: 56
                Quote: Reptiloid
                And where is bourgeois morality?

                It’s about this “morality” - lies, hypocrisy and empty talk. And as a result, three deaths ...
                1. +3
                  14 January 2024 14: 20
                  about this "morality"

                  Recently I came across an article that previously, under the tsar, there were landowners or “philistine women” who took poor girls “to raise.” Both older and very young. They taught us how to play music... and then music lovers were interested. We attended musical evenings. I didn’t know that the article would be suitable, request didn't finish reading, quit recourse
                  1. +4
                    14 January 2024 14: 30
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    Recently I came across an article that previously, under the tsar, there were landowners or “philistine women” who took poor girls “to raise

                    In France, a whole king practiced this...
  7. +9
    14 January 2024 06: 02
    The number of divorces in the 50s fit on the last page of the Volga Commune. There were no more than four of them. Now we need a voluminous book. Urbanization is doing its job. When a family does not need helpers, then the question of a full-fledged family arises. What to do in a village where not every one of them even has health centers. Urbanization and optimization affect issues in this matter. Kindergartens for the rich and the poor are completely different. For first, both the fees and the maintenance of children are much cheaper. Money is NOT everything in our world. Nowadays, even for a lot of money, it is difficult to find a specialist. Only a quiet life can return everything to normal.
    1. +8
      14 January 2024 08: 54
      What to do in a village where not every one of them even has health centers?
      Not every village has work; villagers move to big cities, just like residents of county towns
    2. -7
      14 January 2024 10: 48
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      When a family does not need helpers, then the question of a full-fledged family arises.
      This story about “necessary helpers” does not work: the birth rate among nobles, clergy and merchants was the same as among peasants. Data for 1840-1850.
  8. +13
    14 January 2024 06: 09
    Like the fact that socialism in the USSR made Russians die out, and not Russians forced to multiply.? ......

    The author tried to explain why tsarism in the Republic of Ingushetia made more than half of all Russians serfs? But for some reason he didn’t make the Russians like that...

    There is no need to refer to Europeans, for whom “everything is the same.” Western Europe fought through two world wars in the 20th century and therefore became a colony of the United States...
    And the Russians, on the contrary, having won the Second World War, ruined their country and abandoned their leading role at home....

    As we see, some are hampered by the lost war, others are hampered by Victory. Even poverty does not hinder some, while others are hindered by the great past and their own eggs.
  9. +7
    14 January 2024 06: 10
    In early childhood, a person should form the idea that relatives
    must help each other.

    -the emptiness of a spherical pony horse: you can’t get demography from economists and lawyers. They are for other people and their brains are designed differently.
    The simple key “lies” in the Ministry of Culture. To form and instill a way of life into the subconscious of children. It seems that adult themes and films are for adults, and children watch them next to their parents, at home. And so on.
    And rural clubs with red-nosed accordion players.
    But we are going down a different path. It's enough to look at it. Psychologists can program, but “Hollywood” and Mikhalkov (triT) with Google can be reprogrammed.
    What is our minister of culture doing? She will be the main destroyer of Russia, but in 50 years. The Bremen Town Musicians “put courtliness” into the latest version - get the birth rate in 10-15 years from the children who watched it with their parents. -+ the parents themselves confirmed their beliefs from 90-00-10 about “improving the contours of the face and lips” is more important than hugging their son (even the only one). Individuality. Bright. We came to that emptiness, pony horse
  10. +11
    14 January 2024 06: 42
    Once again: the author does not say that women should be prohibited from working, there is no talk about this, but a woman, from my point of view, should first of all be a homemaker, and only then a worker.

    I say again: nature arranged it this way. that only a woman can give birth!
    The country should have a register of professions that do not allow women to work.
    * * *
    Social justice (from each according to his ability, to each according to his work) is the basis of morality in society. And when some are fattening, while others are making ends meet, no November 4th will unite them together.
  11. +13
    14 January 2024 07: 13
    Okay, they said A, tell B, the Soviet government is to blame for the low demographics, it is to blame for everything. Explain the decline in the birth rate among the white population in Europe. Or did the Soviet government try there too? Already in the 70s, 3 Turks were brought to Germany. Not immediately, gradually.
  12. +12
    14 January 2024 07: 21
    The author is far from understanding the problem.
  13. +12
    14 January 2024 07: 37
    The Bible also taught that the troubles of any people are in itself, in its traditional sins.
    But the authors continue to hammer home about the Bolsheviks and other “external” reasons:
    "The troubles of the Russian people from Kollontai." ... Insanity grew stronger..... We are definitely deteriorating.
    1. +6
      14 January 2024 09: 15
      "The troubles of the Russian people from Kollontai."
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      This one cuts Kollontai, who fought for the Motherland in 1941, alone, in the number of 10 divisions, and what were the “Russian conservatives” so beloved by the author doing there?
    2. +2
      14 January 2024 10: 53
      The Bible also taught that the troubles of any people are in itself, in its traditional sins.

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  14. +7
    14 January 2024 07: 52
    . The rate of extinction of the Russian population is truly unpleasantly striking, however in fairness, this problem affected the entire white population of Europe at all.

    To be fair, this problem did not concern the USSR. The birth rate there was fine. But something bad happened when the USSR disappeared.
    1. +8
      14 January 2024 08: 18
      Quote: Stas157
      But something bad happened when the USSR disappeared.

      Didn't fit into the market?
      1. +10
        14 January 2024 08: 41
        Quote: mat-vey
        Didn't fit into the market?

        Moreover, the vast majority. They were taken out of brackets. But if you look at billionaires, the birth rate there is much higher and large families are not at all uncommon. That's interesting. We live in the same state, but life is so different!
        1. +10
          14 January 2024 08: 47
          But if you look at billionaires, the birth rate there is much higher
          And most importantly, the economic component has nothing to do with it, they simply returned to traditional, conservative values. And these same billionaires demand that the poor population increase the birth rate. I wonder why? laughing
          1. +10
            14 January 2024 09: 15
            Quote: parusnik
            returned to traditional, conservative values.

            Only somehow not completely...Somehow the children of the new nobility with a naked Sashka (according to Gorky) are not visible on the front end..
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          3. +2
            14 January 2024 13: 52
            And then they will take away what they have acquired, and then people are needed
        2. +4
          14 January 2024 09: 13
          Quote: Stas157
          We live in the same state, but life is so different!

          Wow... that's why we need to unite...
        3. +8
          14 January 2024 09: 43
          Quote: Stas157
          look at billionaires, the birth rate there is much higher

          I won’t say anything about billionaires; I don’t move in those circles, but I did have contact with representatives of the “regional elites.” And there are few children there....living.
          Some went crazy from drugs, some crashed due to drunkenness. Having rushed to “earn” money, local bosses neglected raising their offspring. And they, in conditions of impunity, went to great lengths request
          1. +1
            14 January 2024 18: 57
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            ..... Having rushed to “earn” money, local bosses neglected raising their offspring. And they, in conditions of impunity, went to great lengths request

            hi There’s a lot more here besides impunity wassat The offspring do not need to try to earn money, they already have everything, the question of survival does not concern them. And an expensive lifestyle and all the expensive vices are available to them thanks to their parents. They will be children, not burdened with any troubles until old age. request
    2. -8
      14 January 2024 11: 15
      Quote: Stas157
      To be fair, this problem did not concern the USSR.
      It did not only touch your consciousness and idea of ​​justice, but the USSR not only touched, but hit hard.
      1. +9
        14 January 2024 11: 39
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        The USSR not only touched, but hit me hard.

        If the USSR added 2-3 million people a year (in the worst times), the problem of demography hit me hard, what did it do to Russia and its negative birth rate?
  15. +4
    14 January 2024 08: 30
    The author did not even mention in Tsarist Russia the influence of the Church - that bodily pleasures are a sin if “the process is not dedicated” to conception. Under the Soviets, the legalization of abortion, the denial of church teachings and the propaganda of atheism “liberated” people in their intimate lives and there was no need for any sexual propaganda. And “on the ground” they took an example from the commissars, and they, in turn, set an example for themselves in such matters as Kolontai.
    In modern Russia, one cannot take examples from the past in order to solve the problem of demography and the extinction of the Russian nation. Until it is written in the Constitution that the Russian nation is a state-forming nation and that the ancestors did not create this country in order for the Russian nation to die out in it, until this happens, there will be no modern legislative basis for resolving these issues about the extinction of the Russian nation.
  16. +8
    14 January 2024 08: 32
    Somehow I came across a video where a politician, about twenty years ago, talks about problems. I took the numbers he mentioned and added them up during his reign, it turned out that now there are not 140 million in Russia, but only 118 million.
    By the way, does anyone know? How many millions of migrants were brought to Russia?
    1. +1
      14 January 2024 16: 34
      Ha, who would tell you such strategic figures, especially before the “elections”, what are you talking about? hi
  17. +1
    14 January 2024 08: 51
    Divorce is not only a family tragedy, but also a way for the weaker sex to make money. Not to mention “chastity” (if you ask a modern girl what is it? lol)Isn’t it time to introduce restrictions for women to have private cars?
  18. +10
    14 January 2024 08: 58
    Because of the unpredictability of the state. And lack of confidence in the future.
    There is nothing special to comment on here, everything is already clear, and I don’t see a way out even in the long term, it will only get worse.
  19. +5
    14 January 2024 09: 08
    Hosspadi, at least somewhere these communists didn’t screw up? literally everywhere they put their playful hands, the consequences are the most catastrophic
  20. +6
    14 January 2024 09: 08
    For connoisseurs of the “family institution”.
    The family has been an economic unit since the time a person had an economy.
    It depends on this very economy. What type of economy, what type of social management, what kind of family.
    There is no such thing as a family.
    A good example is the presence of children in a Russian peasant family in the 4th–4th centuries. – no more than 5, in the 3th century. – XNUMX-XNUMX, on the one hand: workers are needed, on the other hand, the poll tax on a man, even if he is XNUMX years old, did not allow the economic unit of the “family” to have more “taxpayers”. In addition, mortality from epidemics and famine constantly regulated the number of children downward.
    There has been a long-term debate in science about the reasons for the constant proportional reduction of serfs in the first half of the 19th century. And the key factor, along with the growth of rectrudism, the transition to other classes (state serfs), was the factor of slowing down the natural growth of the Russian serf population. They just didn’t want the children to be serfs.
    Population growth at the turn of the century was associated with the beginning of the development of capitalist relations in the country, and about the family, MORAL, foundations of this period you can read from Sholokhov in “Quiet Don” (daughter-in-law), from Fadeev in “Destruction” (incest), from Gorky ( infinitely), etc.
    But if we turn to the works of demographers about the statistics of the growth of the Russian population in the USSR, from the end of the 20s, after the “pit” of World War I, which caused the Revolution and the Civil War, and the “pit” of the Second World War, then we will find a constant growth, not inferior to the growth rate of other ethnic groups...until 1
    Nowadays, since 1992, ethnopsychological problems, constant “anxiety” in society, often artificially formed by the government, lack of vision of prospects and goals (where are Russia’s ships going?), are also influenced by a key factor: the family under developed capitalism becomes less stable : Divorce is simple because the wife is economically independent, and not a “machine” for having children, unlike the times beloved by “conservatives”, when the wife is afraid of her husband. And divorce becomes a common mechanism for solving problems.
    Moreover, there is someone at the top to follow as an example.
    And this problem cannot be solved by any “return to primitive sources” - in a socially developed country, which is Russia (thanks Kolontai!), the economy will not allow it, and this is different from Africa or its Asian neighbors.
    1. +3
      14 January 2024 11: 53
      The family has been an economic unit since the beginning of man’s economy.

      Not really. The modern concept of family comes only from the time of the encyclicals of Pope Gregory the Great. Postulated that the family is only that which is sanctified by the church sacrament of marriage. That is, husband, wife and their children. All. Before that, the entire huge related clan was considered a family. Almost to the 7th knee. Which had a common economy and common responsibility.
      1. +2
        14 January 2024 13: 32
        Paul,
        this is casuistry in the style of scholasticism laughing , which has nothing to do with the scientific view: the family existed before the encyclical, and exists later, was and is among peoples who have nothing to do with either the pope or Christianity. Their forms can be different, such as polygamy, but these forms are associated with the economy or, in some cases, with the primitive economy.
        When I write about the “economic cell”, of course, this is only one, main side, there are a lot of others: biology, continuation of the “genus”, etc.
        Aren't Adam and Eve family? hi
    2. +2
      14 January 2024 14: 40
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      in a socially developed country, which is Russia (thanks Kolontai!), the economy will not allow it, but it is different from Africa or its Asian neighbors.

      Development, as a result of which society begins to die out, is a dubious development.
      1. +1
        14 January 2024 15: 35
        Development, as a result of which society begins to die out, is a dubious development.

        What is there - in the existing system - there is no alternative
        1. +1
          14 January 2024 15: 59
          Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
          What is there - in the existing system - there is no alternative

          If the system is not even capable of supporting itself, then what kind of development are we talking about? Communism didn’t work; capitalism leads to the well-fed triumph of LGBT+ people. Since no one has come up with an alternative, all that remains is to wait for new barbarians who will tear it all down and try to develop something there themselves based on their own concepts.
          1. 0
            14 January 2024 19: 35
            capitalism leads to the well-fed triumph of LGBT people

            That's what we're talking about! Under the Bolsheviks, this was an article, but during the capitalism, the gays immediately climbed onto the stage, singing songs about their blue moon...... sad . And did this somehow help the family and demographics during the capitalism?
  21. Msi
    +8
    14 January 2024 09: 11
    To stabilize the problem, you can do basic things. Provide public housing to young families, like in the Soviet Union. There may not be growth, but the decline in the birth rate will slow down... The easiest way is to “scratch” your tongue about certain traditional values ​​and do nothing...
    1. +2
      14 January 2024 13: 56
      To give, you need to take somewhere and for something or for someone.
  22. +17
    14 January 2024 09: 25
    It is difficult to relate centuries of research to modern realities. I will not consider economic problems, I am a beggar, I cannot now afford not only children, but even a family. But modern trends in society were raised only by commentators, for which they deserve well-deserved advantages. Example, before the New Year, I decided to invite a girl to a cafe, we met, bought flowers, came to pick her up by car, paid at the cafe, the girl smiled, laughed all evening, we walked around the New Year’s city, I took her home and saw her off. I didn’t have time to get home when I realized that the girl had already blocked me on social networks, so I decided to call to find out the reason, and she said I respect actions, and I told her: Anya, I’ve known you for 5 hours, what actions do you expect from me? A couple of seconds of silence and the lady hangs up. I’m perplexed, and then I start watching short videos on Instagram, and I understand that women are talking all sorts of nonsense about tubes, ointments, and the fact that a man owes everything to everyone, and in general, why do we need anything at all? In modern society, a man no longer becomes a companion, but some kind of satisfyer of needs. And so that he would earn close to a million, and give everything, and cook and entertain, and fully provide, and when asked what in return, well, I’m beautiful. Here I have a Christmas tree, it’s also beautiful, even my brain can’t stand it, and there are sweets under it...
    1. Msi
      +8
      14 January 2024 10: 07
      I’m perplexed, and then I start watching short videos on Instagram, and I understand that women are talking all sorts of nonsense about tubes, ointments, and the fact that a man owes everything to everyone, and in general, why do we need anything at all?
      Fact. Women are much more upset than men. No matter how much you give, it’s not enough... fool
    2. +7
      14 January 2024 11: 53
      I already wrote and I can repeat it.
      Requirement No. 2 for a man - to match!!!
      So as not to drink
      Didn't smoke
      So that he always gives flowers
      To give the salary
      Called his mother-in-law mom
      Was indifferent to toys
      And he's not averse to company
      And besides, that he
      He was handsome and he was smart
      Requirement No. 1 is money. For wealth (in the lady's understanding), a man will be forgiven for the absence of any of the above advantages.
      And how many such potential suitors do we have in the country? That's right, less than 1%. Are you surprised by divorces?
      1. +1
        14 January 2024 20: 06
        Quote: Not the fighter
        Requirement No. 1 is money. For wealth (in the lady's understanding), a man will be forgiven for the absence of any of the above advantages.

        Of course. Pelevin described this very aptly
        And I immediately came across a large article called The Last Russian Macho.
        It was dedicated to the oligarch Botvinik, who was called the groom of Russia -1. Lena stared at the photograph of a round, strong man with an unnatural blush all over his cheeks, as if trying to drill a hole in the gloss and fish out some secret code from under it.
        “Could you love someone like that?” asked Asya, looking at the magazine.
        “Why not,” Lena answered. “You can find something good in any person.” And when a person has several billion dollars, a lot of this good can be found. You just have to look.
        Kima stood up to look at the photograph.
        “Try to talk to him mentally,” she said. “I read that you can attract a person to you by looking at his photograph and talking to it.” Just promise him something that will make him want to see you too. Then you will definitely meet him in life.
    3. +4
      14 January 2024 14: 14
      Quote from turembo
      and when asked what in return, well, I’m beautiful.
      Not just beautiful, but not “like everyone else,” and everywhere fellow
      She felt sorry for herself for marrying such a boring man; such a poor person, and Amanita greedily inflated this feeling in her. She could not organically understand that she herself was as poor and as boring as Fred. She married Fred because she was sure that everyone who lived in Piscontute and studied at Princeton University was a rich man. It was a great humiliation for her to see that this was not the case at all. She sincerely considered herself an intellectual, but her knowledge was insignificant, and the difficulties that confronted her could only be overcome with money, and very large amounts of money. She was a terrible hostess. She always cried while doing homework because she was sure that she deserved a better life.

  23. +19
    14 January 2024 09: 26
    “a man is the head of the family who earns money, a woman is a wife and mother who takes care of the house”

    Sorry, but what kind of “house” will a woman do in a modern city apartment? And in a modern country house too. More than 100 years ago, “keeping a hearth” was indeed a difficult task - washing in the river, cooking on wood, milking and feeding a cow, etc. Modern man has only one difficult task - to earn money. Everything else is fast, simple and automated. So if a man works for everyone, and a woman “keeps” something there, then she is simply a kept woman and a dependent. Women don’t need to be persuaded to do this, but does a man agree? And, most importantly, what percentage of men earns enough to support themselves, their wife (an adult with their own interests and significant needs), and also the number of children required by the author (paying, say, for kindergartens, schools and universities that are far from free in our time). The median salary in the country is 50 thousand rubles - try to live on it with five people (2 adults and 3 children, as the author wants), and also pay off some kind of mortgage.
    Nonsense. All this has been chewed over 1000 times - a return to patriarchy is impossible in modern society. The crisis of the family now is not because women work - but because men cannot be forced into marriage (due to discriminatory family legislation, the desire to rob a man in favor of a woman under the pretext of “protecting women”), and women, in turn, There is nothing holding this marriage together - get a divorce, get half the property, alimony for decades and a bunch of other goodies. So it turns out that thanks to government intervention, you won’t be able to force some people to start families, while others won’t have to keep them. And home-grown “patriarchs” hover over all this, trying to further aggravate the situation.
    1. +8
      14 January 2024 09: 30
      Quote: squid
      The median salary in the country is 50 thousand rubles - try to live on it with five people (2 adults and 3 children, as the author wants), and also pay off some kind of mortgage.

      Based on the official subsistence level, no way..
      1. +10
        14 January 2024 09: 36
        Quote: mat-vey
        Based on the official subsistence level, no way..


        So there is no point in fooling around with non-working “hearth keepers”. Go to work, just like a man!
        And to increase demographics, the state should not extract alimony, but make child support less burdensome - free kindergartens, free education, classes, etc. But now a child is an expensive project that significantly reduces the standard of living of parents, and more than 1-2 few people decide to start
        1. +7
          14 January 2024 09: 39
          Quote: squid
          And to increase demographics, the state should not extract alimony, but make child support less burdensome - free kindergartens, free education, sections, etc.

          The state didn't ask you to give birth...
    2. +3
      14 January 2024 10: 47
      Sorry, but what kind of “house” will a woman do in a modern city apartment?

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
    3. +1
      14 January 2024 14: 47
      Quote: squid
      Sorry, but what kind of “house” will a woman do in a modern city apartment?

      The author directly said that aspects of urbanization and poverty will be discussed in the next article.
    4. +1
      14 January 2024 22: 40
      Quote: squid
      home-grown “patriarchs” trying to further aggravate the situation.

      everything begins with Vova, our breadwinner... so-so example of an exemplary family man
  24. +5
    14 January 2024 09: 44
    Quote: mat-vey
    The state didn't ask you to give birth

    judging by the availability of maternity capital, preferential mortgages, etc., etc. - it really persuades. trying to pour money into the demographic problem. in principle, something even works out, but you need to look at the root and not pay off with handouts
    1. +6
      14 January 2024 09: 51
      Quote: squid
      judging by the availability of maternity capital, preferential mortgages, etc., etc.

      You can do something, or you can pretend to be doing something... and do the opposite.
    2. +5
      14 January 2024 14: 00
      That is why, for some reason, all the factors limiting the birth rate of Russians are not the same for residents of the southern republics. It's not just about money, the basis is the difference in mentality, attitude towards family, life.
  25. -6
    14 January 2024 09: 48
    Putin is my president!

    I read the comments - not a single woman... laughing

    Before the revolution, one man worked, his wife worked with seven people in shops, at home and there was enough for everyone to live. Today two people work, from morning to evening, sometimes at two jobs, there is no time to give birth. "People are dying for metal...".

    ps
    Clara Zetkin’s idea to equalize men and women was caused by the demographic hole that arose after the wars: 1905,1914, XNUMX, revolution and civil, the need for urgent restoration of the country’s agricultural sector.
    1. +7
      14 January 2024 10: 06
      Quote: Boris55
      and there was enough for everyone to live on.

      Are you sure about that?
      1. -2
        14 January 2024 13: 16
        Putin is my president!

        Quote: mat-vey
        Are you sure about that?

        Oh yeah. There were no gadgets, and there was no light either; they lived under torches and therefore gave birth. laughing
        1. +10
          14 January 2024 13: 19
          Well, yes, well, yes... But many people only started eating meat when they entered the army, and before that they preferred vegetarianism - probably out of conviction...
          1. +2
            14 January 2024 19: 49
            vegetarianism

            For some reason, it was more common among the peasants, and not among the “gentlemen,” who in the middle of the night feasted on many different dishes, and complex meat snacks—hares, chickens, small and large birds, and, of course, boiled pork.
            1. +1
              15 January 2024 15: 40
              Quote: Reptiloid
              For some reason, the peasants had it more

              But they probably had enough...sarcasm.
              1. +1
                15 January 2024 15: 57
                Quote: mat-vey
                ..... And they probably had enough...sarcasm.

                If you remember that bread was mixed with grass or something else when baking, then it is not surprising that the average age of life was 30 years. Despite the fact that they were richer and after 80 they were quite alive.
                1. +1
                  15 January 2024 16: 08
                  So, in the absence of drugs, only a good, varied diet allows you to withstand the pressure of the external environment and circumstances.
    2. +1
      14 January 2024 17: 09
      Quote: Boris55
      Before the revolution, one man worked, his wife worked with seven people in shops, at home and there was enough for everyone to live. Today two people work, from morning to evening, sometimes at two jobs, there is no time to give birth. "People are dying for metal...".

      ps
      Clara Zetkin’s idea to equalize men and women was caused by the demographic hole that arose after the wars: 1905,1914, XNUMX, revolution and civil, the need for urgent restoration of the country’s agricultural sector.

      Why remember the Tsar, the USSR, if there is no return to the past!
  26. +11
    14 January 2024 10: 16
    Quote: Boris55
    wife, with seven people in the shops, at home and for everyone there was enough to live


    Well, there were needs - some food and some clothes. no education, no trips to the resort - he riveted the kids and let them run around in the yard. those who survived
    1. +3
      14 January 2024 14: 08
      These were not needs - these were opportunities...
  27. +6
    14 January 2024 10: 45
    73% divorce rate? Yes many. And taking into account civil marriages, when two people live without registration, then more than 80%, I am writing this from the comfort of my sofa. Scary numbers.
    What’s most interesting is that I have never seen an analysis of the causes of divorce ANYWHERE on the Internet. Dear author, if you think that divorce is one of the reasons for poor demographics, then why don’t you analyze their reasons?
  28. +7
    14 January 2024 11: 20
    You shouldn’t forget about yours, there are a lot of young guys there, this will also affect the demographics in the future.
  29. +6
    14 January 2024 11: 22
    The author highlighted an interesting topic...
    And if you look at least at open data on the number of children of the powers that be?
    After all, no matter how modern we are, we look at those who bring us modern truth from the screens of televisions, computers and smartphones.
    3-4 children per family for the indigenous population would be very good.
    Is this the case for most people in the Federation Council? And in the State Duma, too, do they have a majority?
    And even if we don’t talk about us... How many politicians in Europe, the USA, Japan, Australia, even in Central and South America have more than 2 children?
    And this is not even about the Orthodox world.
  30. +8
    14 January 2024 11: 28
    But the author did not mention the “saints” of the 90s. This was such a blow to the family. Everything that the author wrote about the Bolsheviks is nervously smoked on the sidelines. By the way. Why is there no data on the birth rate for the 40-60s in the article?
  31. +6
    14 January 2024 11: 31
    Victor, you licked the very top of the horn - you will not find reasons here, because the first 2 points you listed are consequences. We need to dig deeper.
    The first aspect is the destruction of the family institution

    The family institution of Tsarist Russia was just as fucking unhealthy as it was in the early USSR. Prostitution was legalized, the level of STDs was significant, especially among the urban poor and in rural areas, in the absence of a breadwinner who went to work in the city, there was often such a practice as “daughter-in-law” (if I’m not mistaken in the term), when the father of the husband who left absolutely calmly forced his wife to have sex.
    At the same time, taking into account the practice of moving into the husband’s family upon marriage, as a rule, the real rights of the young wife approached zero; in fact, her stay in marriage was maintained, among other things, by powerful factors of social, family and religious ostracism in the event that she wanted to break off this status .
    So, I apologize, they suffered to the fullest, also working hard like sugar plantation workers - and they gave birth a lot because there were no Durex's, and there were few pharmacies where a significant proportion of the population was located. In general, there was little contraception - and between agricultural work, especially in the cold season, the villagers had fun as best they could without alternatives wassat
    I think it would be superfluous to summarize that before “Kamunyak” the demographics grew not at all because people were happy and wanted to give birth. THEY HAD NO CHOICE. The age has come - your dad gives you away in marriage and goes to another family from where you can get away with it. Such pies.

    Aspect two – abortion

    The presence of abortions since 1955 has not in any way prevented the brood - from 1955 to 1991 the population increased from 192 million people. up to 285 million people (see Wikipedia - Population of the USSR). In general, there is an empirically understandable pattern (up to a certain level): when the standard of living rises and the repressive component within society falls, when social guarantees develop, the birth rate increases.
    Abortions play a significant role in the case of an unhealthy situation in society - their number increases, and also against the background of a significant decline in the birth rate itself, the % harm from abortions becomes more noticeable. However, if the standard of living increases as a factor of influence, the harm from A. you simply do not see when analyzing the growth graph .
    A ban on abortion will lead to people using contraception more often, including chemical contraception, which can be more harmful. If you ban it too, handicraft recipes will immediately appear, and in general, they are still in abundance now. Also, women will be much less likely to be registered with antenatal clinics - the state will simply cover up the problem with crap, but this will not make it go away.
    1. +11
      14 January 2024 11: 47
      Now about “why Russians are dying out” - I’ll say it as I see it, it might come out a little harsh.
      Russians are dying out because they have turned their habitat into a rotten, depressive swamp with lies, a bunch of devils, the absence of an image of the future and the uncontrolled replication and operation of cannibalistic rules in the present. Our recent history is full of bummers that left a bunch of people without pants, who themselves and whose ancestors “invested” in the common cause, in the present actual rights disappear or are replaced by simulations one after another. The repressive-force component is increasing, “actual” inflation has been creeping up on us for about 10 years now, hand in hand with the expansion of intermediary chains and the formation of price collusion between market participants.
      The stupid regulation of everything and everyone leads to the fact that a bunch of people prefer to kill the talker and work for Papa Carlo rather than using their abilities (if any), and working for Papa Carlo, in turn, is a muddy formation of a salary that does not depend on how usually from workers, and as a rule, outside of megacities and oil and gas pumping stations, this same salary is unrealistically sour.

      As far as I personally observe, it’s simply scary for people to give birth in such a system, they have no idea what will happen in it tomorrow, what other laws there will be, whether there will be a default, how deadly inflation, mortgages and food price increases will be next year. And yes, no one knows why they will be imprisoned there in a year or two. And most importantly, it is impossible to influence all this in any way.

      So here is a bouquet for you, sir, “why are they dying out”. This is not exactly extinction - someone goes over the hill on their own or with their family, someone simply says “I don’t need a child, I can’t handle it,” someone, yes, will have an abortion and will put it off indefinitely, someone will even prefer cohabitation.

      We made sour meat - get sour meat and enjoy it to the fullest am
  32. P
    +8
    14 January 2024 11: 48
    The author is talking nonsense. Banal idealistic nonsense. Any family can give birth to and raise a number of children not exceeding its capabilities, limited by materially existing factors. First of all, we are talking about income, and the greater number of children among the poor population of any country does not contradict, but confirms my argument, and it is very simple: giving birth to and raising a child without education, medicine and housing is CHEAPER than having an educated, healthy and provided apartment. Any parents raise children in their own image and likeness, and parents with higher education, an apartment, access to medicine and good rest will never choose to have a second child if the first has dim prospects for education, medicine and housing.
  33. +9
    14 January 2024 11: 50
    The author is an anti-adviser, and it is known that every anti-adviser is a scum and a liar. The Bolsheviks are to blame. And not a word about the blow the crap-cratic government has dealt and is dealing to the birth rate since 1991.
    Well, a complete substitution of concepts, a decrease in the birth rate as the educational and material level of the population passes off as the machinations of the Bolsheviks.
    Despite the fact that in the USSR there were real measures to stimulate the birth rate. Young families received apartments; as the family grew, they moved to two-, three-, or four-room apartments. When constructing residential complexes, kindergartens, schools, and hospitals were always built right there. At the same time, the courtyards were quite large, and no one was chasing the number of storeys.
    And what now, what are the shitcrats offering to the youth? A thirty-year mortgage for a kennel called a studio in a human park? Plus meager salaries and other loans.
    If a young family is not supported by relatives, then what kind of children are under forty?


    Well, and most importantly, what solutions does the author propose that are traditional for RI:
    - the population is dense, education is no more than primary, and not everyone has it;
    - poverty of the bulk of the people;
    - lack of any legal and social protection;
    - universal piety, so that they don’t think of rebelling;
    - high birth rate and infant mortality generated by the above reasons, which will allow saving on medicine due to natural selection.
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  34. +8
    14 January 2024 11: 56
    This is a problem in all developed countries. And in the same Muslim families, the birth rate begins to fall already in the first generation of migrants, not to mention the second. Large families are found either among deeply religious people, or among those who make a business out of a large family on benefits, or vice versa - among the rich, who have no problem supporting 3, 4, or 5 offspring, and even from different wives.
    The author dragged in the revolution, which says a lot about his views...
  35. -8
    14 January 2024 12: 01
    The state should stimulate the birth rate not only with carrots, but also with sticks. There are no children - both work until 65, there are children - the woman retires at 55.
  36. +3
    14 January 2024 12: 55
    I once heard at a conference on demography that officials are the best with children. How can an engineer working in the defense industry in Moscow get more than one if he doesn’t have his own housing. I recently looked at how even moving from a one-room apartment to a two-room apartment requires a mortgage at 1% at 16 million for 2 years with payments of almost 5 thousand rubles. Who benefits from this? First of all, developers who sell apartments at exorbitant prices, banks who make a profit, migrant workers who earn 45-100 rubles on construction sites. more than many engineers.
  37. +5
    14 January 2024 13: 01
    Yes, that's right.
    Life in Russia has never been as good as under GDP.
    No money, live on pasta, the state doesn’t owe anything... - I immediately remember.

    As far as I remember from statistics, there was a small increase in the birth rate when economic indicators improved after the crisis. Somewhere in the 10s, + - .

    And now, alas.
    It’s impossible to feed a large family properly, there are eternal problems with housing, people are slowly dying around, not old.
    Here (where I live) there are more problems with transport (the number of intercity buses has been reduced - they say, go to the neighboring city, there are new electric trains...), and with heating. It crashed before, but now it’s even worse (we don’t freeze after NG, because we dug for a whole year after the sticking, we managed to do it, and now everything still stands dug up and with temporary pipes open - the crews apparently left for the accident instead of finishing it)
    1. +4
      14 January 2024 14: 34
      Quote: Max1995
      There was a slight increase in the birth rate when economic indicators improved after the crisis. Somewhere in the 10s, + - .
      it is more likely connected with the baby boom in the USSR in the mid-80s. That generation grew up and adjusted their growth a little, and then came the generation of the 90s - already a failure
  38. +2
    14 January 2024 13: 10
    Then why are there problems with fertility in Western countries, where there is no trace of problems like ours?
  39. +7
    14 January 2024 13: 13
    Well, I also wanted to get to the bottom of “traditional values”.

    Traditional values ​​can be defined as conservative values ​​that express adherence to traditional orders, social and religious doctrines, and a certain moral code. The main value is the preservation of the traditions of society, its institutions and values.


    Are they even “traditional” today?
    1)
    conservative values
    - Despite all the empirical conservatism of our society, I would rather call it “skeletonism”; de facto, we do not really value conservatism in its full understanding - in less than 100 years people have moved away from the “conservative” attitude towards faith, the role of women, to the state, one’s own life and health, property values ​​and attitude towards childbirth.
    In all these aspects, as well as many others, we now think NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE “traditional and conservative” way we used to think. Traditionally conservative, my friends, this is Domostroy. Few of you have read it and even fewer would agree to try it “in a case”. Therefore, this is an illusory part of the thesis.

    2)
    expressing adherence to traditional orders
    - and immediately the question about “the depth of these orders”. Under the tsar the order was one, under the early, late and middle communists it was different. And even if we are talking about a period of life - are they “traditional” at the time of birth or when? In one generation, people’s attitudes towards things began to change radically, and if you hold on to something that was “in the case” a couple of generations ago, then you are an outright mastodon and, with all the desire, it will be difficult to pass you off as something attractive.

    3)
    social and religious doctrines
    - “traditional-Soviet” looks at this with misunderstanding. What religious doctrines?! In general, what “social doctrines” are implied in a modern, highly mobile society? For example, my house is full of visiting tenants who are simply overwhelmed with everything, including home repairs. I don’t understand what “social doctrine” the author is talking about, should I take off my hat in front of the master? Because I don't see her.

    4)
    a certain moral code
    - a mishmash of religious, interethnic, Soviet, family and mass cult ideas. There has been no definite moral code for 100500 years; you only need to look at children in kindergarten or schoolchildren in elementary school to understand that it is dead. Like something “definite” is so precise.

    5)
    The main value is the preservation of the traditions of society, its institutions and values
    - if I still periodically observe pathetic attempts to cling to the visual component of traditions, then in the field of preserving the institutions of society, the state itself is maximally distorting and tailoring everything that could be called “traditional” for about 100 years already. The question arises again in full force - traditionally at what point? The values ​​of society are also being reshaped by the state - some holidays are removed, others are introduced, bans and regulations are introduced on traditional events.

    I’ll summarize - IMHO, based on all this, I would say that there is a request to stir up something like this “strongly based on”, and who knows what, practically a popular print, from the hodgepodge and layers of the traditional, familiar and implanted, it is proposed to build something and call it “ natural, unshakable”, whereas this may not be at all natural from the point of view of “the state of things as is”, and of course it will not be unshakable.
  40. +2
    14 January 2024 13: 18
    Thus, the total fertility rate in 2019 in the Ivanovo region was 1,27; in Smolenskaya – 1,21; in Leningradskaya - 1,075. At the same time, the TFR in one of the poorest regions of the Russian Federation – Tyva – was recorded at 2,72 (twice higher than in Russian regions), and in the Chechen Republic it reaches 2,5 [1].


    So what is the reason? What does a typical Russian family have? In rural areas, a house or apartment (an absurd apartment in a village) and a plot of land of 6 - 12 acres; in the city, a 1-3 room apartment and a plot of land of 6 acres. Why do they need children as future helpers? They can manage the household themselves, but there are no conditions for children in the current conditions. If you give birth to more children, you need to expand your housing, but where will you get the money? Population growth occurs where people have land that two people can hardly cultivate and they need helpers, and in the city there is business and spacious housing, preferably a house with a large plot.
    1. +3
      14 January 2024 15: 36
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      So what is the reason? What does a typical Russian family have? In rural areas, a house or apartment (an absurd apartment in a village) and a plot of land of 6 - 12 acres; in the city, a 1-3 room apartment and a plot of land of 6 acres. Why do they need children as future helpers? They can manage the household themselves, but there are no conditions for children in the current conditions. If you give birth to more children, you need to expand your housing, but where will you get the money? Population growth occurs where people have land that two people can hardly cultivate and they need helpers, and in the city there is business and spacious housing, preferably a house with a large plot.

      Well, in any case, it’s easier to cultivate a garden with four people, for example, than with two people, especially since you will never become healthier with age. Another conversation is that if this is not there, but only a one-room apartment in a metropolis and a lot, a lot of useless work, then it will be a problem to support a child or a dog.
  41. +3
    14 January 2024 13: 36
    Unprecedented nonsense. Why did they drag in the USSR and the communists? The more society develops, and the more comfortable people begin to live, the lower the birth rate. There are no traditional values ​​to do with this. Look at China, the economy has surged forward and the birth rate has fallen, India is already ahead of them, but as soon as they develop, they will stop giving birth. Now Africa is the most childbearing region, and it is also the poorest. So economic and social development inevitably leads to a decrease in the birth rate. The only plus of this is that around 2050-2100 the world's population will most likely stop growing.
  42. +5
    14 January 2024 14: 11
    Russian regions of Russia have the lowest birth rates in the world


    At the expense of the RSFSR, all national outlying areas developed and were rebuilt for 70 years.
    The Russians suffered the greatest losses following the Second World War.

    The Russian village, as the basis and keeper of the traditions of the Russian world, Russian culture and way of life, was practically destroyed:
    - food appropriation in the 20s
    - forced collectivization and dispossession in the 30s
    - 80% of the male population of Russian villages died during the Second World War
    - the slave-collective-farm-socialist system, when people worked without wages, for workdays, without days off or vacations, led to a mass exodus of young people from the village, under any pretext, to the virgin lands, to the construction sites of communism, to study....
    Once in the city, rural youth huddled in dorms and rented apartments, which is why it was in the 60-70s that the tradition of having one child began...
    Then the coupon system in the 80s...
    Devastation and poverty of the 90s
    I sighed a little in the 00s, and then a series of economic crises
    08, 12, 18... Western sanctions,
    the growth of the dollar value and a proportional decline in the standard of living of the population,
    massive influx of migrants to Russia,
    Increasing the retirement age by 5 years in 18.
    The flawed social policy of the state, 80 percent supports migrants and gypsies, and not the indigenous Russian population...

    If you look at the budget by region of the Russian Federation, you will immediately discover a terrible imbalance in the budgetary support of the regions.
    Since the 00s, the republics of the North Caucasus have received and are receiving tens of times more financial assistance than the regions of Central Russia (Moscow and St. Petersburg do not count....).
    And how, under such conditions, should Russian people have several children?
    One child means a 2-fold reduction in living standards,
    Two children - guaranteed poverty,
    Three children - poverty.
    Russians did not live well and richly in the 20th century, and they did not become richer in the 21st...
    1. +3
      14 January 2024 14: 15
      What was so progressive in the 2000s that so many people mention? In general, I don’t remember anything special there.
      1. +6
        14 January 2024 16: 16
        In the 00s, salaries increased significantly, small and medium-sized businesses grew....
        Prices for housing and cars were reasonable (apartment 10 thousand/m2, Hyundai Accent 300 thousand)
        the people sighed after the poverty and defaults of the 90s....
        1. 0
          15 January 2024 05: 43
          But in my environment in the 2008s, on the contrary, I had miserable wages. And in general, I don’t remember anyone receiving a relatively decent salary in the XNUMXs. No one rode much in the south or abroad, there wasn’t such a number of expensive, unbreakable cars, or such a construction boom. Maybe the office plankton was thriving before the XNUMX crisis.
    2. P
      0
      15 January 2024 05: 30
      a carload of errors in fact) for example: the collective farm, as a private enterprise, REALLY did not pay wages to the participants, because the forms and amounts of income were calculated according to the contribution of labor to this same profit. Pensions were also not paid to collective farmers during certain periods, because (surprise, surprise) collective farms at that time did not make the tax deductions from which pensions would then be paid.
  43. +6
    14 January 2024 15: 04
    The phrase about the country’s leadership “how far they are from the people” was and remains relevant in the modern world. The majority of the people did not know and could not know what Kollontai or Lunacharsky said; the people survived by adapting to changing living conditions. There is no need to sell much importance to propaganda. We must take into account the possibilities of propaganda, which depend on the availability of media. At the beginning of the 20th century there was only the press, and many people could not read. After the war, everyone had a radio, newspapers, magazines were available, meetings were held, political study groups and many other public events were held. The assimilation of disseminated ideas remained close to zero. The only exceptions were universities - they studied social sciences. Propaganda in Soviet times solved little. The propaganda of respect for work, physical education and sports, and cultural recreation achieved success. A common situation: the population lives the way their parents lived. Traditions established in populated areas over centuries remain the basis of the community. It must be borne in mind that traditions were preserved not only in villages. In most of the country, the construction of enterprises was accompanied by the construction of housing. There was little transport; workers walked to work, i.e. The factory's companion was a workers' village where people knew each other, worked together, studied together, or children grew up together. There was also a certain rejection of immoral acts. And families with children received housing. The collapse of the USSR was accompanied by many tragedies: there were no jobs, no salaries were paid. And the media began to promote sexual promiscuity. The peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, who lived in large families, continued to live according to established customs. They always had their own large farmstead, which ensured survival. And the Russian people who worked at the enterprises, after their liquidation, were left without the opportunity to survive. And then the enterprises began to become the property of the southern peoples, who for some reason had money, but the residents of the Russian Federation did not. The basis of existence is life support, which the Russian people were deprived of, who were cut off from the land, unlike the southern peoples who continued to engage in livestock farming, grow fruits and vegetables. Here is the explanation for the preservation of fertility: the possibility of independent life support. Therefore, to save the country, we need a one-story Russia: settlements with land plots, with modern solutions to everyday problems: automated heating, hot and cold water, and work. Full provision of the country with food products. This work is no longer completely manual. In addition, many industries are assembly, i.e. no need for large production areas. There is remote work. Social relations will be formed in such settlements. And there will be a birth rate. The culprit behind the decline in the birth rate is urbanization. The city does not have living conditions for families with children. As for women, there is no need to turn their container into a container for raising children. Children not only need to be carried and given birth, they need to be fed, clothed, they need to be communicated with, they need to be loved, this is the only way a new person will grow up who will build the future. The right to bear a child should remain with the woman. Restrictions of a medical nature must occur with the consent of the woman. Regarding abortion, its ban led to the death of many women, leaving their previously born children orphans. And the absence of information about medical contraindications in the medical record does not guarantee their actual absence. A pregnant woman goes to an appointment, follows the doctors’ orders, and before giving birth it begins: who should save the life of the mother or the child and the mother is to blame, who was not informed about the risks.
  44. BAI
    +4
    14 January 2024 15: 44
    Secondly, abortions should be made as difficult as possible.

    This will cause an explosive increase in clandestine abortions with a corresponding mortality rate.
    Availability of contraception? The author was interested in the cost of condoms?
    1. +1
      15 January 2024 09: 28
      "Was the author interested in the cost of condoms?"
      By the way, yes, pleasure is not the cheapest. hi
  45. +8
    14 January 2024 15: 58
    How the argument “but in Europe they also don’t give birth much” began to touch me, then that there it is purely their problem and if they don’t give birth there because of wealth, then the Russians clearly don’t. In defiance of the Author, I know people who have many children because their basic income allows it. And not like under the “Tsar Father”, when they gave birth to 10 so that, God willing, 3 would survive and so that more land could be cut up. And Yes, yes, yes, the Author is again to blame for the Bolsheviks, because it’s easier to fight with the dead, they destroyed all Russian families and even invented abortions, infidels.
  46. -3
    14 January 2024 16: 00
    Quote: Gardamir
    But how did the Holstein Gottorps rule Russia since the 18th century?
    To hell with them, with the Holsteins and Gottorps. The main thing is that under them, Russians in Russia had a high birth rate.
    And under Soviet rule: “the liberation of women”; "Women's liberation" Look, Central Asians and Gypsies generally have illiterate women, but they give birth in dozens. And all our girls strive to get a “higher education” and not give birth.
  47. -4
    14 January 2024 16: 03
    The way out of this impasse is the defeat of women's rights at all levels and the abolition of alimony, the abolition of half of property in a divorce (children must be given to the man). Modern divorce in the Russian Federation is beneficial to women and she actively takes advantage of this. In general, a radical restructuring of society is required. No one will do this. Everything is too neglected.
    1. P
      +1
      15 January 2024 05: 34
      To do this, it will be necessary to exclude half of the workers from the labor market, which will inflate the price in this largest market in the country by much more than double. Profit, accordingly, will fall for each employer. Young man, as soon as you try to implement your stupidity, you will be killed painfully and terribly.
      1. 0
        16 January 2024 18: 55
        If you make a loss of rights under religious grounds, then you can get by with little bloodshed. For example, like the Islamic revolution in Iran. Only this requires a lot of components and the presence of personal leaders, the readiness of society. Otherwise, we will simply die out little by little, like we are dying out now.
    2. +1
      15 January 2024 09: 29
      Or better yet, do it like D. Windom’s novel “Go to the Ant.”
  48. +3
    14 January 2024 16: 13
    Quote: olimpiada15
    And then the enterprises began to become the property of the southern peoples, who for some reason had money, but the residents of the Russian Federation did not.
    What is unclear here? The southern peoples lived according to their own laws and lived like that. Moreover, they lived according to their own laws, but enjoyed the benefits that the USSR provided. We flew Aeroflot planes all over the country, loading the cabins with carnations, the cost of which was a penny apiece. And they sold their carnations for 30 kopecks a piece, 50 kopecks a piece, and a ruble a piece.
    The war did not reach them, there was no destruction.
    This is how, long before the collapse of the USSR, southerners made their initial capital using flowers, fruits and vegetables (this is not all, just the most striking examples). Not all southerners, of course, are one in a thousand, but even these were enough to buy up everything in Russia after Chubais announced privatization.
  49. +3
    14 January 2024 17: 15
    Question to the author and others who are against abortion. I consider only the material side. Well, since our state is rich, why won’t they offer women the option to calmly give up children without material consequences? And this is, for a minute, 25% of a woman’s official income until she reaches 18 years of age. Here is a good solution, you want to increase the birth rate, but you don’t give normal work to support 2 people, you limit the mother’s material benefits by charging alimony for refuseniks, limiting the money that will be used for the birth of desired children. And then why be surprised if you do not contribute to a single successful criterion, where the child in any of the options is a minus, not a plus?
  50. +2
    14 January 2024 17: 48
    The institution of family strengthens in unfavorable conditions and weakens in hothouse conditions.
    In ancient times they said – one for God, one for the King, and the third for one’s old age. Three children in a family was the bare minimum.
    It follows that measures to stimulate the birth rate increase the standard of living, but not the birth rate. This has been proven by the practice of European state entities, which, having failed to achieve their goal, moved on to importing slaves from the colonies, and today they simply buy them.
    Indisputable evidence of the direct relationship between family size and material conditions is the rate of population growth in different regions of the world and migration flows.
    The ruling class of the Russian Federation has realized the ineffectiveness of measures to stimulate the birth rate, but cannot cancel them so as not to provoke social unrest, and the war in Ukraine has critically aggravated the problem of the labor force and demanded an immediate solution, and the practice of European state formations suggested a solution - as the media report, the Russian Federation seems to have agreed on purchasing several tens of thousands of people from Kenya. If the first experiment is successful, then human trafficking will gain momentum
    1. P
      +1
      15 January 2024 05: 36
      I doubt that the experience will be successful, the climate will not go well
  51. +6
    14 January 2024 18: 29
    The article is not entirely objective and somewhat superficial, which, in principle, corresponds to the “Opinions” section.
    Firstly, Russia needs a return to some traditional values ​​in order to revive the institution of the family. Moderate propaganda should be aimed at reviving conservative values ​​and the traditional model of the distribution of roles between the sexes in society: a man is the head of the family who earns money, a woman is a wife and mother who takes care of the house.
    How is the respected author going to return to the situation clearly before 1917 and where, by the way, does he get the confidence that if the Russian Empire had developed further along the path of developing bourgeois relations with demography, everything would have been different than in Western Europe?
    The same “wild” peoples, as well as visiting migrants from Central Asia, representatives of the Caucasian peoples, highly respect family traditions, always support their own, and in demographic terms their situation is much better than that of the Russians.
    In fact, it is already known that these nations are repeating the same negative “democratic” demographic scenario, just with a significant delay and more smoothly!
    Abortion should be limited as much as possible and allow them only if:
    a) a woman cannot give birth for medical reasons (illness, poor health, etc.);
    b) conception occurred as a result of sexual violence.
    What kind of savagery?! In these situations, abortions should be provided by compulsory medical insurance, and in other cases - for a fee!!!
    1. P
      +2
      15 January 2024 05: 39
      The author seriously believes that propaganda without changes in public life is at least worth something. In Nikolashkina Republic of Ingushetia, the church controlled huge assets and was responsible for registering fortunes in addition to propaganda. And where did she find herself as soon as connections with her ceased to be obligatory?)
  52. +7
    14 January 2024 18: 57
    The author is lying, and blatantly. Under the communists, the population of the RSFSR increased by one million people a year. Despite complaints about low birth rates. Under the anti-communists, the population of the Russian Federation is continuously decreasing, despite millions of migrants (2023 million migrants from the EAEU were registered in St. Petersburg alone in 1.5).
  53. +6
    14 January 2024 19: 00
    The first aspect is the destruction of the family institution after the revolution

    Yes... the author didn’t dig deep)), it’s an order... and not supported by statistics and figures... the reason on the surface is total poverty and a hopeless future... plus the general trend towards “independent women”.. In other words, what would Russians gave birth, it is necessary to create conditions for Russians, but now conditions are being created for Tajiks..
  54. +2
    14 January 2024 19: 21
    In short: in a consumer society almost The need for a strong family and children is automatically reduced. Accordingly, countermeasures are needed. Secondly, what is needed is the stability of society and the state and a person’s firm confidence in the future, and not such statements and measures:
    From the transcript of the meeting of the President of the Russian Federation with residents of Anadyr on January 10.01.2024, XNUMX: As for technical schools and colleges, this is very important, I will not hide it. This is also an important task, taking into account, among other things, the enormous needs of the labor market today. Our unemployment rate is 2,9 percent, this has never happened in the history of the Russian Federation, and, in my opinion, this has never happened in the Soviet Union. True, they thought differently there, but it doesn’t matter.

    MOSCOW, January 13 - RIA Novosti. The Kenyan authorities are going to send 10 thousand citizens to Russia for further employment, said the press secretary of the country's president, Hussein Mohamed.
    As noted, in addition to Russia, Kenyans will go to work in Saudi Arabia, Germany, Israel and Serbia.
    “Two thousand five hundred vacancies for nurses and health workers in Saudi Arabia are now open to qualified Kenyans Even more opportunities will appear after the conclusion of bilateral agreements: Germany: 250 jobs, Israel: 000 jobs in agriculture Serbia: 30 jobs in construction and services. Russia: 000 jobs," Mohamed said in a post on social media X.
  55. -1
    14 January 2024 19: 32
    "Why Russians are dying out: a historical outline of the demographic situation. Destruction of the family institution and abortion"
    Who-where is dying out?
    What are you pushing?
    Crimea added two million, Donbass added six million.
    If you push Kherson/Zaporozhye back, there will be another increase in your pension. hi
  56. Owl
    +3
    14 January 2024 19: 34
    The point is not the destruction of the “family institution” after the Revolution, the point is the lack of affordable housing. No housing - no family - no children. Diasporas buy housing for “new citizens”, but these new “citizens of Russia” are obliged to give part of their income to the diaspora. There is no affordable social housing for the Russian population, either get into mortgage bondage or wait for an inheritance. In addition to words, calls and increasing swearing. capital - social housing construction is necessary, it will not bring profit, but it will help young families.
    1. +2
      14 January 2024 19: 40
      “The point is not the destruction of the “family institution” after the Revolution, the point is the lack of affordable housing. No housing - no family - no children. Diasporas buy housing for “new citizens”, but these new “citizens of Russia” are obliged to give part of their income to the diaspora. There is no affordable social housing for the Russian population, either get into mortgage bondage, or wait for an inheritance. In addition to words, appeals and increasing financial capital, social housing construction is necessary, it will not bring profit, but it will help young families."
      I absolutely agree with you here. There's no reason to disagree.
      But the country’s collective at one time adopted a course towards capitalism.
      And, under capitalism, everyone survives on their own. As he can.
      That's the whole bolt - down to the penny. feel
  57. +1
    14 January 2024 19: 45
    We have a liberal, satanic ideology with the goal of reducing the population. Abortion should be considered in the context of the policy of destruction of women's health carried out by the state, the FSB. Achievements, 2 girls were killed in Bryansk under the bullying scheme with a neuropsychic breakdown, suppressed for 2 days, that is, crime prevention “specialists” organized a concealment of the disease from the breakdown, vegetative vascular, today neurocirculatory, dystonia. With daily strokes, execution, amnesia with casual relationships and forced abortion, otherwise Guardianship will take away, then without the ability to give birth.
    1. +3
      14 January 2024 20: 34
      "With daily strokes, execution, amnesia with casual relationships and forced abortion, otherwise Guardianship will take it away, then without the ability to give birth."
      Girls have so many diseases that at forty-eight years old I feel like just a kid.
      And if they also use execution on me, then I will generally die young and healthy. feel
  58. -1
    14 January 2024 21: 13
    "Military Chronicle" writes:
    Rumors have appeared in the Sumy region that all women over 25 years old will be registered with the military. Only pregnant women and mothers of children over 3 years old will be exempt from military training. A wave of pregnancies is expected.

    https://voenhronika.ru/publ/vojna_na_ukraine/14_01_2024_poslednie_novosti_vojny_na_ukraine_rossijskaja_armija_vplotnuju_podoshla_k_rabotino_karta_boevykh_dejstvij_segodnja_ukraina_19_video/60-1-0-14857
  59. +3
    14 January 2024 21: 48
    The absolute majority of the population of Russia, in the twentieth century, moved to medium and large cities. That is, after the deliberate policy of the beginning of the industrial revolution in the Russian Empire, which launched this process and the policy of “de-peasantization” of the Russian village, and the “de-Cossackization” of the village carried out in the USSR, the population, already in the third generation, in its culture, interests and consciousness became petty-bourgeois .
    What it means:
    - the population, for the most part, received a basic Soviet or post-Soviet technical or humanitarian education, and became a qualified layer of specialists who understand the benefits and benefits of owning social collective private property of small and medium-sized manufacturing, engineering, and infrastructure enterprises and organizations, cooperatives and corporations, and this is no longer the proletariat, but small and medium-sized collective owners-owners or highly qualified hired specialists who want to be either junior partners or co-owners of other people's businesses;
    - the key factor for this segment of the population is EXACTLY the ownership of property and the opportunity to represent, promote and protect THEIR interests in city governments and in all structures of the country’s government system, that is, people living “in concrete and on asphalt” must legally, economically and administratively OWN the above types of property, which gives rise to the desire, in addition to biological instincts, in men and women, to pass on this property by inheritance to their children, that is, the petty-bourgeois layer of the urban and rural population is obliged to become the collective masters of Russia, but without economic and political destruction of the financial the oligarchy dominant in our country, without the destruction of the near-government and regional mafias, this is impossible;
    - culture is a consequence of the survival instinct of a person, family and society in the constantly changing conditions of life around us, and if these conditions change, culture must also change, otherwise we will simply perish under the pressure of foreign cultures and civilizations developing and parasitizing on us, and the protection and development of urban “petty-bourgeois” culture must be ensured by the social state IN UNION with the national-corporate society of collective owners it is forming - the Nation, the foundation of which should be the mass Russian urban and rural family owner;
    -today the Russian population is completely divided in relation to privatized “Soviet” property into a group of rich nouveau riche who have stolen our country and the bulk of the poor or downright destitute population living in megalopolises, large, and medium-sized cities “one day at a time,” that is, absolutely without prospects for development and well-being, other than to twist other people’s “squirrel cages” to death, therefore, until, through revolutionary means, Russian city dwellers and rural owners regain their property, power and subjectivity in Russia, until that moment we will continue to die out. All other issues of demography and family policy can be resolved only after resolving the issue of property and power.

    P.S. FREEDOM, PROPERTY, JUSTICE!
    1. 0
      15 January 2024 22: 04
      “Therefore, until, through revolutionary means, Russian city dwellers and rural owners regain their property, power and subjectivity in Russia, until that moment we will continue to die out.”
      Again. Who is dying? Your population has increased by at least eight million.
      And this is not the end yet.
      What the hell are revolutions? The North Military District is coming.
      What are you calling for? What nonsense?
      The country chose capitalism for further development; the market will decide. Oh! Not decided! It just made it worse. Agree. Let's start a revolution now...
      We'll do it, we'll definitely do it. When will we find a new Lenin? hi
      The idea is not clear. A lot of text about everything and nothing.
  60. +8
    14 January 2024 21: 54
    Only one thing can be said about the author of the article -. With the tenacity of a sheep, he rushes towards the defense of traditional values ​​and condemnation of abortion, not noticing in front of him (or not risking noticing) the fact of an unviable and vicious regime (as they say, but the glasses are on his nose). I will outline an obvious and terrible thing that will play a very cruel joke on the pseudo-imperial slobs at the top in the very near future: large losses of the Russian and Russian-speaking male population in the Northern Military District, coupled with a decline in the birth rate, will lead to an IRREVERSIBLE brain shortage (this already exists) and a labor shortage (in including in the defense industry). Moreover, some specialties cannot be replaced by any migrants (axiom). This will lead to a slowdown in the pace of work in a number of industries and missed deadlines, but the worst thing is that the extinction of the population and its shortage everywhere will lead to the absolute impossibility of holding many territories.
    1. +1
      15 January 2024 11: 55
      Quote: volverin777
      This will lead to a slowdown in the pace of work in a number of industries and missed deadlines, but the worst thing is that the extinction of the population and its shortage everywhere will lead to the absolute impossibility of holding many territories.

      Add to this the deficit in the public sector. Doctors, teachers, and even the police - there is a shortage of personnel everywhere. And it will only grow.
  61. +4
    14 January 2024 22: 22
    As I understand it, the author tried to convey the idea that there are fewer Russians. But why go into history to look for “tradition” (which is talked about from every angle) as a solution to the problem or point out the mistakes of the Bolsheviks, which they later corrected. We would compare other nationalities (top 10) over the last 30-20-10 years on the territory of the Russian Federation, in cities and outside, to come to conclusions.
    PS

    1. Being determines consciousness. And the ruling class determines this existence.
    2. The fruits of the 90s will remind of themselves for a very long time
  62. -3
    14 January 2024 22: 40
    The Bolshevik-Zionists “did a good job”: 1. Russians do not have national self-identification, that is, they do not consider themselves a people, unlike other peoples inhabiting Russia (former and present), and are happy to join all sorts of pseudo-historical ugly Russophobic formations. 2. They have lost their culture and faith. 3. They believe that you cannot have more than 1-2 children, again unlike other nations.
  63. +4
    14 January 2024 22: 44
    There is nothing special to invent here. Man is part of nature and lives according to its laws. The population of any living species grows and multiplies when favorable conditions are created for its existence (abundance of food, comfortable living environment for everyone). In our country, after the destruction of the state and the betrayal of the elites, the old social formation was destroyed, a semi-feudal inherited class society was built, without social elevators and an ideological national goal, an ideology that the “gifted” powerful are trying to mediocrely replace with religion, forgetting the history and conditions, the realities of today, that this is no longer “bast-foot Russia”.
    For more than 30 years, an “advanced consumer” was brought up, and not a creator and creator, according to Sorov’s and Goeth’s instructions, the introduction of juvenile justice, the institution of the family was destroyed, individualism, aggressive and perverted feminism were imposed, and traditional cultural values ​​were replaced. And most importantly, people have no confidence in the future, the impossibility of long-term planning and the banal lack of funds and opportunities for raising and decent living of a family. Those. there is no food supply, no comfortable living environment, no progress, and therefore no development potential. Plus, again according to overseas training manuals, the indigenous titular nation is being actively and steadily replaced from the very top by migrants, and any attempt at defense is brutally suppressed and punished, hiding behind the slogan “inciting national hatred,” etc. And how, the stupid expression “cherry on the cake”, thanks to the “impotence” of the decrepit notorious vertical, the centuries-old dream of the Anglo-Saxons came true, Russians are killing Russians on Russian soil. Slavic civilization is tired of fighting, from the lies and betrayals of its own elites, the country simply does not want to live anymore, so it is dying out.
    1. -1
      15 January 2024 00: 21
      Quote: seacap
      There is nothing special to invent here. Man is part of nature and lives according to its laws. The population of any living species grows and multiplies when favorable conditions are created for its existence (abundance of food, comfortable living environment for everyone). In our country, after the destruction of the state and the betrayal of the elites, the old social formation was destroyed, a semi-feudal inherited class society was built, without social elevators and an ideological national goal, an ideology that the “gifted” powerful are trying to mediocrely replace with religion, forgetting the history and conditions, the realities of today, that this is no longer “bast-foot Russia”.
      For more than 30 years, an “advanced consumer” was brought up, and not a creator and creator, according to Sorov’s and Goeth’s instructions, the introduction of juvenile justice, the institution of the family was destroyed, individualism, aggressive and perverted feminism were imposed, and traditional cultural values ​​were replaced. And most importantly, people have no confidence in the future, the impossibility of long-term planning and the banal lack of funds and opportunities for raising and decent living of a family. Those. there is no food supply, no comfortable living environment, no progress, and therefore no development potential. Plus, again according to overseas training manuals, the indigenous titular nation is being actively and steadily replaced from the very top by migrants, and any attempt at defense is brutally suppressed and punished, hiding behind the slogan “inciting national hatred,” etc. And how, the stupid expression “cherry on the cake”, thanks to the “impotence” of the decrepit notorious vertical, the centuries-old dream of the Anglo-Saxons came true, Russians are killing Russians on Russian soil. Slavic civilization is tired of fighting, from the lies and betrayals of its own elites, the country simply does not want to live anymore, so it is dying out.

      I guess, yes! Starting a family is a choice of two hearts. The matter is purely personal. How are you going to influence the process of creating a family using social methods? Do you know how a child is conceived? Will you climb into someone else's bed with your stupid advice?
  64. +1
    15 January 2024 09: 43
    “The same “wild” peoples, as well as visiting migrants from Central Asia, representatives of the Caucasian peoples, highly respect family traditions, always support their own, and in demographic terms their situation is much better than that of the Russians.”

    The author answered all the questions with this phrase - the more “savage” the people, the stronger the traditional values, including family traditions, and the higher the birth rate. The nation becomes more and more cultured and dies out, giving way to “new blood”. These new ones are also following the path of civilization...
    1. 0
      15 January 2024 11: 57
      Quote: S.Z.
      The author answered all the questions with this phrase - the more “savage” the people, the stronger the traditional values, including family traditions, and the higher the birth rate. The nation becomes more and more cultured and dies out, giving way to “new blood”. These new ones are also following the path of civilization...

      And quite quickly. They quickly learned to drink vodka, and they will also forget about their values.
  65. 0
    15 January 2024 11: 06
    Why give birth in a country in which everything is changing all the time and there are constant wars and coups?
  66. +5
    15 January 2024 11: 19
    It’s the mystery of the century, why don’t women give birth? After all, they have set up churches, and wars once every five years, and they protect pedophiles as if they were in the Red Book, and there are marginal gasters at every step, and they have optimized medicine so much - I don’t want to give birth.
    Why was such an article created? My finger is tired of scrolling
  67. +2
    15 January 2024 11: 58
    Does the author want to say that the communists in 1917 and the lack of a ban on abortion are to blame for the failure of demography? And not at all the politics of the “glorious 90s”? And that as soon as we ban abortion and start promoting traditional family values, everything will immediately improve with our birth rate?
    Hmm... with such a level of analytics - the author would not write articles, but work in the Duma... However, there are already enough of these in abundance.
  68. -1
    15 January 2024 17: 24
    The article is not bad. Interestingly, the author did not write about this, but we now have a norm from the 20s that allows divorce by notification, even without a general meeting of the spouses? If so, then this urgently needs to be changed. This is where it is necessary to turn on the all-powerful Russian bureaucracy, delaying the process as much as possible, which will be a plus for eliminating the hasty, rash decision of those getting married. As for abortions, I agree with the author that they need to be limited as much as possible, BUT let’s be realistic, two points (a, b) indicated in the article will not pass. In my opinion, this list needs to be expanded: c) only state abortions should be allowed. institution, maintaining a complete form of recording and reporting on abortions. d) be sure to notify the father and parents, couples who are having an abortion. e) To carry out an abortion, the following signatures must be signed: the parents of the couple, as well as the father and the woman undergoing the abortion e) the reason for the abortion must be entered in the document prescribing the abortion; in the case of a material reason, the woman in labor must be offered assistance in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation g) before signing an abortion order, a woman in labor must have a conversation with a religious representative, depending on her nationality or religion. P.s. I think that such measures will not be taken (the lobby in our country is too strong), therefore I consider the 2 points proposed by the author all the more unrealistic. Clearly, measures need to be taken here at the legislative level, and it is very bad that they have not yet been taken. Everyone is waiting for Putin’s instructions, only then will the Duma vote 100%. It is also very bad that all decisions are tied to the actions of one person.
  69. 0
    15 January 2024 22: 40
    the author did not mention one more aspect: Russians are dying out because of Russians. A recent example is that some Russian plumbers installed a new system during the overhaul of a small three-story apartment building in such a way that at the first frost it became a mess. in four end apartments +15.
    1. 0
      17 January 2024 14: 39
      Here you need to clarify: 1. Were the plumbers Russian?
      2. was it done according to the project or with violations?
      3. why did they do it with violations?
  70. +1
    16 January 2024 01: 33
    Increase wages for men!
    Put men in leadership positions, not women.
    If a woman initiates a divorce from a non-drinking, working man who does not beat her, refuse alimony... And in general, reduce alimony as a percentage.
    Divorced women should only be taken as wives in exceptional cases. Not a girl means shame, etc.
    So the birth rate will be trampled.
    Without a strong man and a dependent woman, the birth rate is impossible to see. Women are running to work for freedom; no broom can drive these goats into the family, much less give birth to three!
    Why is everything okay with the birth rate in Islam? The wife there is at the mercy of her husband. She really can’t work there.
    Think, Mr. Biryukov, and don’t point at the Soviet Union. In the USSR, everything was fine with the birth rate. A Soviet woman dreamed of getting married and having children! The state gave apartments and dormitories to Soviet youth and did not insist that every person should live for himself and think about himself. And Soviet society condemned divorce as well as sex life before marriage! As for abortions, yes, there was such a flaw, but it was not decisive!
    1. 0
      16 January 2024 21: 35
      “Take divorced women as wives in exceptional cases. If you’re not a girl, it’s a disgrace, etc.”
      So they are divorced one after another, and with a bunch of children too.
      I personally am divorced with two daughters. And a bunch of grandchildren from different sons-in-law.
      Some kind of madhouse... I’ve been enjoying my successful marriage for twenty years now.
      However, smart people warned...
      What now? crying
  71. 0
    17 January 2024 14: 36
    bad conclusions, not correct. They don’t give birth because they are poor, they don’t see the prospect of growing up and giving an education. We need men to earn more and women to have the opportunity to look after their children. but this will not happen, since all social networks conduct hidden anti-family propaganda. the owners of money bring to life the theory of the golden billion.
    1. 0
      17 January 2024 21: 25
      “bad conclusions, not correct. They don’t give birth because they are poor, they don’t see the prospect of growing up and giving an education.”
      Who is not giving birth? Who doesn't see the future?
      Any aunt who has barely finished school and has neither a stake, nor a yard, nor a profession, nor an education, considers her first task to be to organize her granddaughters.
      Next - she stupidly brings all this happiness to her grandmother, then this is a personal problem for the grandmother (where should she go) and the grandfather to the heap. Moreover, grandfather is categorically against it. But no one bothers to ask him.
      And I see this scenario all the time. hi
      1. 0
        19 February 2024 15: 13
        not everyone is like that. not everyone has it. the eldest son is 33 years old, one child. youngest is 22, not married....
  72. 0
    18 January 2024 10: 48
    For some reason, the author does not consider such an important aspect of abortion as the psychological state of women and men guilty of this act. Let me explain. Abortion is the actual murder of someone who is essentially the closest to the murderers. Well, what kind of snot can we then spread about moral education, relationships between relatives, etc. A woman who commits murder ceases to be a woman in the moral sense, and having sunk to this level, she doesn’t care about everything else. But licking, humanizing animals is increasingly becoming part of society, i.e. all the signs of behavior of mentally handicapped individuals are evident: cruelty towards loved ones and others and pathological love for animals, etc. There is a moral degeneration of women and men (whose words and deeds become - what will women say), hard-heartedness and indifference become the norm. This is what, first of all, it would be worth thinking about for those who are not in words interested in the prosperity of the nation.
  73. 0
    18 January 2024 16: 34
    A crazy article, crazy conclusions, and the facts are presented one-sidedly, just to confirm the author’s opinion, and not to reflect reality.
  74. 0
    19 January 2024 00: 17
    The article was written by a stupid person. It is a stupid person who can put the economic factor in last place for a highly educated secular society. When you, being an educated person, and not an obscurantist with only one brain, see that the birth of a child will lower your overall standard of living to the bottom, then you will think 1000 times, does a child need such a life? These archaic members of society essentially don’t care what conditions their children will live in. I personally don’t care much for this. The child must receive a decent education, a decent life and starting conditions. But in capitalist Russia of the so-called EdRa, the prospects for a decent life are becoming increasingly vague.
    By the way, the author is not aware that in Russia (and not only - this is a global trend) male infertility has doubled. Urologists are already sounding the alarm. The quality of sperm in men of reproductive age is catastrophically deteriorating. This is already a scientific fact and statistical data. So the medical problem is added to the economic factor.
  75. 0
    19 January 2024 00: 32
    Another mother's demographer, who, God forbid, has 1 child, or even childless. Such people don’t need bread - they will teach Russians how to properly observe traditions, family values ​​and other idiocy. And the conclusions in the article are drawn into one place...
  76. 0
    19 January 2024 17: 20
    Yeah, with a non-working wife, the husband needs to feed himself, his wife and, as the author suggests, 7 children, i.e. 9 people. At current prices, in order to somehow survive you need, let’s say, 30 thousand wooden ones a month, i.e. A man should receive 9*30=270 thousand rubles a month. Who has such salaries?
    1. 0
      20 January 2024 19: 02
      The author of the article himself most likely does not have children, but he has an opinion about solving the problem of demography. Mamkin is a demographer with three classes at the parish spiritual seminary.
  77. 0
    22 January 2024 01: 23
    What does abortion have to do with it (as a consequence), if the root causes are not affected? Drinking from a young age, early promiscuity and permissiveness cultivated in many families.