Castle of Expensive Stay

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Castle of Expensive Stay
Kirtling Tower, from a series of picturesque views of the residences of nobles and gentlemen of Great Britain and Ireland, 1840. Morris F. O. (Francis Orpen), 1810-1893. Harold B. Lee Library


Beautiful old castles.
Battlements of their gray towers
As if pouring a little visible light,
And he is strange and terrible,
Silent fire of past victories
Their proud face is decorated.
Drawbridges and ditches, -
Closed domains
Here at night you can hear the cry of an owl,
Ghosts roam here.
Konstantin Balmont "Castle of Jane Valmore"

People and castles. Judging by the comments and letters from readers, they are interested in the topic of castles. The ancient castle of Broch collected 12 views, Eltz Castle - 647, an article about a cat - collected 13 (and some also write - “why bother with cats” (the most popular topic, judging by the number of views!), so, although “cats are more interesting”, “the theme of castles” also “sounds”.



It’s just difficult to write about them. Photographs, as a rule, are all copyrighted. Public domain photos are rare. Not all locks have websites, and if they do, they are inconvenient to use. Finally, even in the archives of castles posted on these sites, their plans are not always available. Or there are, but they need to be redrawn, and this is very expensive - you need to order it from an artist!

On the contrary, some castles in England are written about in such detail that our reader doesn’t even need to. So we have to make something interesting out of this whole “hodgepodge of the national team”. For example, today we will go to Kirtling Castle. He has a very curious and informative story, but there are only one or two photographs of him missing.

But there is something to read about him! For example, I have never read such an entertaining story about how a castle passed from hand to hand. Usually a lot is missed. The most significant figures remain. But in the history of Kirtling, all the owners are listed one after another. But this is precisely what is attractive!

I personally came across such a detailed history of how this castle passed from hand to hand for the first time...

The story of the change of holders...


It all started with the fact that Tegn Oswy and his wife Leofled donated Kirtling (which was then a small settlement) to Ely Abbey around the year 1000. But then it was owned by the Earl (later King) of Harold (who died, as we know, in 1066). William I the Conqueror gave it to his niece Judith (d. after 1086), whose youngest daughter and co-heir Alice married Ralph de Toney in 1103 (d. c. 1126). Then part or all of these lands probably belonged to the Englishman Fravine of Kirtling.

Ralph de Toney was followed by his son Roger and in 1162 Kirtling passed to the king as his guardian's guardian. In 1168 it was considered a royal estate, and in 1177, Baron Roger de Toney received it. He was succeeded by his son Ralph (d. 1239). Who again had a son Roger and until he came of age in 1256 his lands were under the tutelage of Queen Eleanor and leased from his mother Parnell. Roger died in 1263 or 1264.

Between the battles of Lewes in May 1264 and Evesham in August 1265, the manor of Kirtling was given to Maud Clare, Countess of Gloucester, and the castle to Henry of Hastings, but in 1265 both the castle and the manor were returned to Roger's son Ralph de Toney (d. 1295). Ralph's son Robert, who came of age in 1297, died without issue in 1309.

As for the first documented reports of the Kirtling Tower (that is, the “Kirtling Tower”), they are dated 1219. Moreover, at this time the castle already had a moat and a palisade, and a tower, of course, if it was called a “tower”.

In the same 1309, Guy de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick (d. 1315), became the owner of the castle. It then passed to Alice's son Thomas de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick. On his death in 1369 it passed with the earldom to his only living son, Thomas. Thomas opposed Richard II and was punished - in 1397 the estate was taken away from him and transferred to the royal henchman Sir John Bussey (executed in 1399).

Henry IV restored Kirtling to Thomas in 1399, but he died in 1401 and Kirtling was in the possession of his executors for a year before being given to his widow. The widow had a successful second marriage to the Earl of Warwick, and after her death in 1407 it passed to their son Richard Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick (d. 1439), whose son Henry died in 1446.

The property went to his young daughter Anna, but she soon died. The child's heir was her father's sister, also Anna, the wife of Richard Neville. The couple settled in Kirtling in 1466. And after Richard’s death in 1471 (we’ll talk about his tragic fate later), the inheritance passed in 1472 to their eldest daughter Isabel and her husband George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence.

After the death of Isabella in 1476 and the execution of Clarence, who was drowned for treason in a barrel of malvasia, the castle and lands were given to their young son Edward Plantagenet, Earl of Warwick in 1478, and his guardians successively were Edward IV, Richard III and Henry VII. He apparently gave Kirtling in 1487 to Edward Plantagenet's grandmother Anne Neville, and she returned it to the king.

The Crown retained Kirtling until 1514, when Henry VIII leased it for £336 to his courtier John Sharp. Sharpe left the estate in his will in 1519 to his friend Isabel Damme. After 1526, Sharpe's surviving heir, his nephew Robert Browne, purchased Isabella's life share for an annuity, and in 1533 sold the estate to the courtier Edward North.

North bought the rents due to the crown in 1535, and in 1536 received an Act of Parliament securing his title. He was knighted in 1542 and became Lord of Kirtling in 1554, after which the estate was inherited along with his title.

Edward, 1st Lord North gave Kirtling to his son Roger in 1563 and died in 1564. Roger, 2nd Lord North survived his eldest son John (d. 1597), and was succeeded by John's son Dudley on his death in 1600. Dudley, 3rd Lord North, in 1629 placed the estate in trust for his wife Frances on his death, allowing their eldest son Dudley to rent it from her for £850. He died in 1666. And then Kirtling passed to his son Charles, 5th Lord North and Gray.

The 6th Lord North had no legitimate children and the estate passed in 1762 to his cousin's son Francis North of Roxton Abbey, Earl of Guildford and 7th Lord North. He died in 1790 and was succeeded by his son Frederick, Earl of Guildford and 8th Lord North, former Prime Minister (d. 1792). His widow Anne, who received Kirtling as her dowry, died in 1797, when the estate passed to their son George Augustus North, Earl of Guildford and 9th Lord North (d. 1802). The northern barony, also Kirtling's, passed to his daughters, but Kirtling itself, Wroxton and the earldom passed in turn to George's brothers Francis (d. 1817) and Frederick (d. 1827).

Kirtling and Wroxton then passed to the 9th Lord North's eldest daughter Mary and her husband John Crichton-Stuart, Marquess of Bute. After her death in 1841 they passed to her half-sister Susan and her husband J. S. North (formerly Doyle). So Susan became Lady North. She died in 1884 and was succeeded by her son W. H. J. North, 11th Lord North (d. 1932), from whom Kirtling passed to his son W. F. J. North, 12th Lord North (d. 1938).

The execution of his will was left to a public trustee who sold the Kirtling estate in 1941 on behalf of J. D. North, 13th Lord North and grandson of the 12th Lord North, W. H. R. Broughton, 1st Lord Fairhaven ( d. 1966), from Anglesey Abbey. He was succeeded in the peerage by his brother H. R. Broughton (d. 1973) and the latter's son A. H. G. Broughton, who held the manor in 2001.

When the castle fell into the hands of Edward North in the 1556th century, he rebuilt it in 1558 and XNUMX with the help of the architect Francis Adams and named it Kirtling Hall. Huge volumes of soil were moved to create a raised platform for the new house, featuring Tudor architectural features such as a gatehouse, gallery, living quarters, banquet hall and garden with stunning water features and ponds.

Queen Elizabeth I stayed at the castle as the guest of Roger North, 2nd Baron North for three days in September 1578 during her tour of Cambridgeshire. The visit cost Lord North £642.

About the cost of admission...


Again, another story came into my hands for the first time, namely the story of how Lord North received Queen Elizabeth I.

Usually the reporting of this important event is limited to the above mentioned amount - 642 pounds sterling 4 shillings and 2 pence. And modern people, understanding with their minds that this is a lot, generally cannot imagine how many things could be bought with this money. And, it turns out, you could buy quite a lot with that money. However, the queen’s retinue was also decent - 2 people! And everyone had to be fed and watered for two days, tasty and satisfying, so as not to lose face in front of Her Majesty.

So, let's see how much was stored, prepared and, obviously, drunk and eaten for the queen and her retinue over these two days.

Bread – 1 manchets made from premium quality flour. In the Tudor era, it was a bread small enough to be held in the hand or with a glove. 200 loaves of chita (bread made from 3st grade flour), and another 600 rolls.

Meat: 111–112 cows, 171–172 calves, 67 sheep, and 7 lambs, 34 pigs, 96 rabbits, 8 deer, 8 hams.

Poultry: 34 geese, 363 capons (castrated roosters for special fattening!), 6 turkeys, 32 swans, 273 ducks, 1 crane, 38 young herons, 110 bitterns, 12 ducks, 1 hens, 194 pigeons, 2 lapwings, 604 godwits, 195 gulls, 68 plovers, 18 snipe, 99 Icelandic sandpipers, 8 partridges, 23 pheasant (one must think it was served to the Queen herself!), 22 bound ones - in short, the entire book "Birds of Britain"!

And in terms of fish, the choice was also solid: 3 barrels of sturgeon, 96 crayfish, 8 turbot, a cart and two horse-loads of oysters, 1 barrel of anchovies, 2 pike, 2 carp, 4 tench, 12 perch, 200 smoked herring.

Also on the list of consumed items were: 2 beef tongue, hoof and udder, 201 pounds of lard, 18 pounds of butter, 430 eggs, 2 Dutch cheeses, sugar worth 522 pounds and 6 shillings, lettuce, roots and herbs worth 16 pounds 4 shilling and 29 pence.

And they drank: 378 gallons of claret, 63 gallons of white wine, 20 gallons of sherry and 6 gallons of hypocrass.

Interesting information, isn't it?

What if one of the VO readers wants to write a novel about that time, and here is some really wonderful information about that era...

To be continued ...
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  1. +5
    15 January 2024 05: 09
    Thank you Vyacheslav for the interesting story and interesting approach to the description, it’s great!!!
    Confused about the next one?
    Meat: 111–112 cows, 171–172 calves, 67 sheep, and with them 7 lambs, 34 pigs, 96 rabbits, 8 deer, 8 hams

    Why approximately? Stolen, underfed or undercounted!!! wink
    Moreover, the tricksters below mention -
    2 beef tongue, hoof and udder,
    .
    Curious why the total amount?
    For example, 111 cows “in portions” should give 666 of the mentioned objects, and 171 calves - 855 (no udder). 666+855=1521!
    Somewhere we are being fooled by “English” accountants!!!
    All the good days!
    1. +5
      15 January 2024 05: 36
      Why they gave you minuses, I still don’t understand.
      I corrected it as best I could. smile

      Vyacheslav, thanks! good
      And good day everyone. Yes
      1. +5
        15 January 2024 05: 44
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Why they gave you minuses, I still don’t understand.
        I corrected it as best I could. smile

        Vyacheslav, thanks! good
        And good day everyone. Yes

        Hello Uncle Kostya, fighting hamsters do not sleep!!! However, I also corrected the disadvantages for you and my comrades!!!
        1. +7
          15 January 2024 06: 09
          For what
          For sycophancy. Mr. Shpakovsky is methodically destroying the section, and you, him
          fighting hamsters
          indulge him in this noble cause. You can continue to give each other pluses. By the way, Mr. Shpakovsky, why lie so shamelessly
          article about a cat – collected 1
          You and your hamsters (see the above list is incomplete) have completely stopped respecting readers. Well, God be your judge. Fortunately, there are still other sections...
          1. +2
            15 January 2024 06: 26
            Quote: Abigor
            article about a cat - collected 1

            Views?
          2. +2
            15 January 2024 07: 17
            Sometimes even narrow-minded people are useful. The article has 16473 views today... And your number... your hand probably trembled when you wrote out the number. And it’s really hard to respect people like you. And - yes, go to other sections. Usually people like you graze in the news!
            1. +2
              15 January 2024 07: 30
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, good morning. Thank you for the article, and I would like to say that your hand trembled specifically - 1 - the oldest articles can have such a number of views, but not this one. Even a number of last year’s ones didn’t score that much... But it’s okay, everything happens...

              Happy belated Old New Year! hi
              1. 0
                15 January 2024 07: 37
                Quote from Kojote21
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, good morning.
                Happy belated Old New Year! hi

                Oh, Artem. I have a strange feature. Sometimes I misread what is written - for example, for a long time the word “Iroquois”, for some reason I read “Iroquois”. And looking at the text, instead of some numbers I put others, although I see... Probably, “crazy people are hammering.” But I have had this since childhood.
                And Happy Old New Year to you, even if it is past!
          3. +1
            15 January 2024 10: 07
            .Mr. Shpakovsky is methodically destroying the section

            It’s hard to disagree with the fact that the “History” section, as well as others, are being methodically destroyed. But what does Shpakovsky have to do with it? After all, it is not he who manages the section in particular and the site as a whole, and it is not he who sets the bar for requirements for the quality of content.
            1. +2
              15 January 2024 15: 25
              Quote: Dekabrist
              .Mr. Shpakovsky is methodically destroying the section

              It’s hard to disagree with the fact that the “History” section, as well as others, are being methodically destroyed. But what does Shpakovsky have to do with it? After all, it is not he who manages the section in particular and the site as a whole, and it is not he who sets the bar for requirements for the quality of content.

              Good afternoon, Viktor Nikolaevich! hi

              The only thing I would like to know is who sets the bar and leads this process?
              1. +2
                15 January 2024 15: 33
                The only thing I would like to know is who sets the bar and leads this process?

                Nothing could be easier. Click on the “house” in the upper left corner and you will be taken to the main page. Go down on it and find the “About the publication” menu. Open it. There are all the people there - the founders and the editorial board, and who is in charge of which section. The current site and its contingent are solely the work of their hands. Or a little hand. And staff writers just fulfill the order in accordance with the employer’s terms.
                1. +3
                  15 January 2024 15: 36
                  And staff writers just fulfill the order in accordance with the employer’s terms.

                  Well, yes. The only thing was that my articles were criticized (though there was some reason), although I did not fulfill anyone’s orders except my own.
                  1. +3
                    15 January 2024 15: 43
                    You are not a staff writer. Write for the soul. It all depends on the presence or absence of perfectionism and sober self-esteem.
                    1. +3
                      15 January 2024 16: 57
                      Quote: Dekabrist
                      You are not a staff writer. Write for the soul. It all depends on the presence or absence of perfectionism and sober self-esteem.

                      And not only me... but you, in general, are 100% right.
        2. -2
          15 January 2024 22: 02
          Hello, Vlad!))
          Hamsters and lemmings are present in every nook and cranny of this life,
          This is such an indestructible breed of rodents. Yes
          I also went through the advantages for myself. drinks
      2. 0
        15 January 2024 06: 08
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Why they gave you minuses, I still don’t understand.
        I corrected it as best I could.

        Vyacheslav, thanks!
        And good day everyone.

        Good morning Konstantin and Happy New Year (according to the Orthodox calendar).
        Minuses are given by those who have a negative attitude towards Vyacheslav.
        1. +2
          15 January 2024 07: 00
          Quote: carpenter
          Those who put a minus

          Don't give a damn about these minuses. And the same as for the plus wink
        2. -1
          15 January 2024 21: 57
          Good evening, Dimon!))
          Happy New Year to you too! All the best and health!))
          Yes, I know about this audience, but it’s still disgusting, the minus should be given based on business, and not from personal relationships, like in a communal kitchen.
      3. +1
        15 January 2024 07: 40
        Quote: Sea Cat
        I corrected it as best I could.

        I won’t let the Cat suffer karma!
    2. +1
      15 January 2024 07: 11
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Somewhere we are being fooled by “English” accountants!!!

      Dear Vladislav! So it was... My wife wrote these facts out to me a long time ago. Like, it will come in handy. And I also wondered why this was so. And then everything came together - both history and “food”. But I won’t say right away when I gave these figures. This requires a joint search. And they gave you a minus primarily for politeness... I also corrected it as best I could. Otherwise it’s an eyesore!
    3. Alf
      +2
      15 January 2024 19: 29
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Somewhere we are being fooled by “English” accountants!!!

      Where have you seen an honest accountant? What profession did Alexander Vasilyevich Count Suvorov talk about about the one-year term?
  2. +3
    15 January 2024 05: 15
    William I the Conqueror gave it to his niece Judith

    He probably took this castle from some Saxon. Unfortunately, the author did not indicate where exactly this castle is located and I will correct it. Cambridgeshire, which is famous for its oldest university
    1. +4
      15 January 2024 19: 36
      Here on the website they wrote that it was the Normans who started building castles in England. so there was nothing to take away from the Saxon.
      In addition, the article says that the area was inherited first, the castle appeared in the chronicles later.
      1. +4
        16 January 2024 02: 38
        Quote: Quzmi4
        Here on the site they wrote that it was the Normans who started building castles in England

        Fortifications have been built by people since the time they began to fight. And it doesn’t matter what they were called, castle fortress or detinets
        1. +1
          16 January 2024 12: 06
          But the article is still about the castle. And in the above story there is not a word about any fortifications.
  3. +5
    15 January 2024 05: 22
    They even ate seagulls at the queen's court! And they drank by the bucketful! And there's only one pheasant lol for 2000 people
    1. +1
      15 January 2024 07: 01
      Quote: Tlauicol
      They even ate seagulls at the queen’s court!

      Where do seagulls come from in areas far from the sea?
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. -1
        15 January 2024 07: 23
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Quote: Tlauicol
        They even ate seagulls at the queen’s court!

        Where do seagulls come from in areas far from the sea?

        Not seagulls, tea (drink)! Or I'm wrong?
        1. +4
          15 January 2024 07: 31
          Seagulls are listed in the "birds" column in the estimate.
          1. +3
            15 January 2024 07: 32
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Seagulls are listed in the "birds" column in the estimate.

            So I was wrong. Thanks for correcting me, Ivan! hi
        2. +5
          15 January 2024 19: 37
          From the same place as the cart and the bale of oysters.

          Who's on topic? I suspect that seagulls' meat is terribly smelly. Or was it normal in the Middle Ages?
      3. +2
        15 January 2024 07: 39
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        Quote: Tlauicol
        They even ate seagulls at the queen’s court!

        Where do seagulls come from in areas far from the sea?

        From there, where other seafood comes from. They caught them, put them in cages, and brought them back fresh and alive. Oysters were transported in barrels, and the fish’s water was completely changed during the trip.
      4. +10
        15 January 2024 08: 12
        Where do seagulls come from in areas far from the sea?
        Probably from a nearby trash heap, no less.
  4. +9
    15 January 2024 07: 30
    After the list of what was eaten and drunk, I remembered “Old World Landowners” by Nikolai Vasilyevich, where there are descriptions of lunches, dinners and other snacks.. :)
    “- Well, Pulcheria Ivanovna, maybe it’s time to have something to eat?”
    1. +9
      15 January 2024 07: 53
      Quote: Van 16
      Well, Pulcheria Ivanovna, maybe it’s time to have something to eat?

      For some reason I remembered Chichikov’s visit to Sobakevich:

      “Take a lamb,” he continued, turning to Chichikov, “this is a side of lamb with porridge! The German and French doctors invented all this, I would hang them for this! They invented a diet, treat with hunger!”
      1. +8
        15 January 2024 16: 20
        Well, we could have eaten some...
        “Mitrofan. And I, uncle, almost didn’t have dinner at all.
        Prostakov. Remember, my friend, you deigned to eat something.
        Mitrofan. What! Three slices of corned beef, and hearth slices, I don’t remember, five, I don’t remember, six.
        Eremeevna. Every now and then he asked for a drink at night. I deigned to eat a whole jug of kvass.”
        D. Fonvizin “Undergrowth”
        Decoding the volumes eaten:
        https://dzen.ru/a/ZDfgoscAuluf7F6-
  5. +5
    15 January 2024 09: 13
    For example, today we will go to Kirtling Castle.

    Here it is worth clarifying that the picturesque building, which today is called Kirtling Tower, is the gatehouse of Kirtling Castle (in the illustration there is a three-story building in the center with two towers), to which residential premises were added in 1872 and in 1999 - 2004. But the castle itself no longer exists. The last ruins were demolished in 1801.
  6. +7
    15 January 2024 09: 34
    And they drank: 378 gallons of claret, 63 gallons of white wine, 20 gallons of sherry and 6 gallons of hypocrass.

    Still drunk
    74 hogs heads of bear

    "hogs heads" is a keg with a capacity (for beer) of 250 liters (a quarter of a barrel - "tun"). That is, 18500 liters of beer were drunk in three days. But they only drank two barrels of ale - 2000 liters.
    1. Alf
      +5
      15 January 2024 19: 33
      Quote: Dekabrist
      But they only drank two barrels of ale - 2000 liters.

      Well, the liver is not made of iron.
  7. +5
    15 January 2024 09: 55
    in a word, the entire book “Birds of Britain”!

    There are 632 species of birds in Britain. And at that time there were even more of them. However, I found a medieval recipe for preparing small sandpiper-type birds. The dish is called Sorcell Rosted, Wodekoke, & Snyte. The bird is wrapped in bacon or ham and baked in the oven.
    1. +3
      15 January 2024 14: 11
      Quote: Dekabrist
      in a word, the entire book “Birds of Britain”!

      There are 632 species of birds in Britain. And at that time there were even more of them. However, I found a medieval recipe for preparing small sandpiper-type birds. The dish is called Sorcell Rosted, Wodekoke, & Snyte. The bird is wrapped in bacon or ham and baked in the oven.

      I'll have to try this with quails!
  8. +6
    15 January 2024 10: 19
    although "cats are more interesting"

    This restores faith in humanity!
    Sorry for the OFF!
  9. +5
    15 January 2024 13: 19
    The list of products is impressive. This is just some kind of holiday and the night dreams of vegans. Some strong drinks are not mentioned. Although it’s not clear with hypokras. Judging by the quantity, this substance is either strong, or expensive, or both...
    1. +1
      15 January 2024 14: 10
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Judging by the quantity, this substance is either strong, or expensive, or both...

      I drank hypokras at the Chateau de Carcassonne. This is a red, sweet wine infused with herbs. We drank it warmed up at night to sleep better. In Carcassonne it is made by local residents according to ancient recipes. I want to drink and drink... It's a pity we bought one bottle. Expensive!
  10. +4
    15 January 2024 16: 55
    his lands were under the tutelage of Queen Eleanor
    The queen was very active! The magic of the name had its effect...
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  11. +5
    15 January 2024 19: 41
    And the list of consumed items also included: 2 beef tongue, hoof and udder,


    Lack of imagination on how to consume a hoof!
    1. +5
      15 January 2024 20: 12
      Lack of imagination on how to consume a hoof!

      It can be in the form of jellied meat. The author simply translated hoof as hoof, but it should have been translated - beef leg, part of the carcass from the hoof to the first joint, which is used in cooking, including for preparing such a traditional dish as jelly.
      1. +5
        15 January 2024 20: 33
        The author simply translated hoof as hoof, but it should have been translated - beef leg, part of the carcass from the hoof to the first joint, which is used in cooking
        "Sho, again?" (c) Don’t dare question the author’s text. He has a hundred thousand million printed works. It is said - a hoof, it means a hoof!
        1. +5
          15 January 2024 20: 43
          There are two here, dare it or not - this is a typical mistake of this author. In general, once upon a time such issues in printed publications were dealt with by an editor - he analyzed the text, looked for and corrected errors, typos, inconsistencies in logic and structural deficiencies, and worked with the authors.
          What the “correctors” and “experts” of this resource do is unclear, although the articles undergo some kind of “moderation,” but what this mysterious operation means is a mystery.
          1. +5
            15 January 2024 20: 47
            What the editors of this resource do is unclear, although articles undergo some kind of “moderation”, but what this mysterious operation means is a mystery.
            The “moderation” here is automatic, whether there is swearing or not, that’s all.
            There are two here, dare it or not - this is a typical mistake of this author.
            The author traditionally gives a stupid interlinear translation in translation, but for the text to make sense - well, readers want too much.
            1. +5
              15 January 2024 20: 49
              The “moderation” here is automatic, whether there is swearing or not, that’s all.

              This, as I understand it, is for comments. Why check articles for obscenities? Are the authors already swearing?
              1. +7
                15 January 2024 21: 51
                Are the authors already swearing?
                Haven't noticed it yet. But one of my notes was rejected with the verdict: outside the topic of VO (I wrote about the development of the aviation industry in the 20-30s). Well, no, no, I make money elsewhere.
                1. +5
                  15 January 2024 22: 07
                  Haven't noticed it yet. But one of my notes was rejected with the verdict: outside the topic of VO (I wrote about the development of the aviation industry in the 20-30s).

                  Strange, especially considering the current state of content.
                  1. +5
                    15 January 2024 22: 11
                    It was a couple of years ago. Probably, I was not in the mood to meet the moderator.
      2. +1
        16 January 2024 07: 39
        Quote: Dekabrist
        but it should have been translated - beef leg,

        We have this beef leg thing called a motolyga. And most importantly, I recently bought it for jellied meat and didn’t realize it. Thank you for your attention!
        1. +2
          16 January 2024 08: 41
          By the way, dishes made from veal legs are classic French cuisine. Moreover, there are many recipes. For example, veal legs with Gribiche sauce (pictured). So the cook at the castle may have been familiar with French cuisine.
          1. +2
            16 January 2024 10: 11
            Quote: Dekabrist
            veal legs

            Well, at that time they didn’t eat this in France. But judging by the photo, the thing is delicious.
      3. +1
        16 January 2024 12: 11
        Thank you! Nice to meet an expert. Except toe, I don’t know English hooves)))))))
        A favorite example of the translation “to get rid of it” is “Mouse Hurdlers”. At least here:
        https://pikabu.ru/story/gurtovshchiki_myishi__klassicheskiy_tekst_1998_goda_demonstriruyushchiy_ogranichennyie_vozmozhnosti_kompyuterov_po_literaturnomu_perevodu_1844842