Which rules of the “rules-based world”, according to the United States, has China violated?

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Which rules of the “rules-based world”, according to the United States, has China violated?


Ideologeme


Among the many analytical theses and those actively involved in international politics and in the propaganda inevitably associated with it, the “rules-based world” stands out.



For our country, this phrase is a priori a kind of symbol of the ideology of American exceptionalism, since it is understood unambiguously - as a world based on American rules. It is logical that with such a perception, this ideologeme is rejected and has no chance in Russia of reaching an agreement with it.

However, in reality this ideologeme is not so clear-cut. Not in the sense that the United States, in principle, does not take a position of aggressive American-centric proselytism. They occupy.

It’s just more complicated, and an analysis of the cause-and-effect relationships of this structure, the bricks from which it was built, is important because we come to a number of economic reasons and prerequisites for the contradictions between major international players: China and the United States. The findings can be extremely interesting and useful.

The expression “rules-based world” was almost never used in such a phrase until 1990, was occasionally found in the 90s and 2000s and came into circulation after 2010; since 2014–2015 it has already been a frequent guest in the information space and articles and public speaking.

It is logical that after the spring of 2014 in Russia they began to chalk it up to the contradictions between Russia and the collective West. However, if we look at the chronology and frequency of use, we will see that the main addressee, the main violator of the rules, was initially China, and not Russia at all. Russia was “fastened” here because it went further than China, but it went after China and differently than China.

For American conceptualists, it was China that became the first to shake the trumpet of “order based on rules.” It sounds unusual, so let's try to figure it out.

The main rule breaker


If we take and sequentially write out quotes from the “greats,” we will see an increase in activity from 2008, increasing to 2013. Almost everywhere, the addressee will be, again, directly or covertly China.

What is characteristic is that the general meaning in the context was always that the Chinese were violating certain rules, but at that time we could not find a systematic presentation where the rules were revealed anywhere. Everything is very individual and depending on the situation.

The question is: what did Beijing begin to do at this time, since it fell into these ideological millstones?

As a result, such a situation no longer became completely normal even for the most collective West, and in 2014 G. Kissinger was noted for his large conceptual work “World Order,” where he made an attempt to bring together the discourse, including around the famous expression.

The work is voluminous and claims to be at a level of generalization no lower than “Diplomacy” (1994) by the same author. It is worth paying attention to some members of the team that G. Kissinger assembled while working on the book “World Order”. W. Lord - together with G. Kissinger and for a long time after him, was responsible for the American-Chinese direction, J. Stapleton Roy - responsible for the Asian direction, special envoy to China, a native of Shanghai. G. Kissinger also worked with them not only on the diplomatic front, but also on another large-scale project - “On China” (2011).

The book “World Order” is not dedicated directly to China, it examines different directions and historical periods, but there is a lot of China and different messages for China.

G. Kissinger derives rules and order from the depths of the 17th century - the Westphalian system of international relations, which emerged as a result of the Thirty Years' War in Europe. It is to her that he constantly turns, where he digs out his roots. And this is interesting because it is the Westphalian system that represents a negotiated balance between states that recognize each other’s sovereignty. That is, the system is based on the primacy of the national state, sovereign borders and, no less important, the principle of balancing sovereign interests.

Next, he describes the historical conflict of the gradual loss in the 20th century (as unnecessary) of national sovereignty by Western Europe, which was forced for the first time after many centuries to rely on an external force (the USA). In the conditions of the struggle between the two blocs, the Westphalian provisions did not work, although G. Kissinger, of course, personally blames I. Stalin for this. But he himself admits that in a bipolar world this system would look strange.

“This was all the more important since the balance of power was largely formed outside the European continent. For a thousand years, the peoples of Europe took for granted that fluctuations in the balance of power can be anything, but the balance itself depends on Europe... The European balance, historically shaped by the states of Europe, has become an element of the strategy of external forces.”

G. Kissinger interprets the creation of the European Union in a unique way - as a return to the principles of the Westphalian system, but a return that the EU elites are not fully aware of.

He further examines the political systems of the Middle East, Turkey, India, China and Japan, everywhere trying to find explicit or implicit evidence that each system strived or is striving for its own version of “Westphal.”

And the logic of the study leads him to the fact that everyone needs to return to the principles and rules of the Peace of Westphalia and quickly. Only in this case will the “Atlantic West” and the EU act as a single entity, while the rest of the states will act as “on their own.”

By the way, no attention is paid to Russia in the work; everything is dedicated to the USSR. Russia is characterized a priori as an “Asian power” that will operate in the future on its own in “its own hemisphere.”

A third of the work is in one way or another devoted to China, which is proposed to conclude the Peace of Westphalia, but independently, without forming geopolitical blocs and alliances.

The old politician’s cunning is understandable, given that such an amusing construction changes the rules from “trade” to “world order”, or rather, expands the rules of investment and trade to the world order.

Question: why did G. Kissinger need to create new entities if the rules for the most part are already spelled out in the norms of the WTO-GATT and the IMF?

Trade war


The fact is that China did not violate any rules. However, by 2018, D. Trump officially declared a “trade war” on Beijing. The formal reason was an allegedly serious “trade deficit” for the United States in mutual trade. They say that the imbalance has become such that the American manufacturer is almost going bankrupt.

In reality, since 2000, trade between the United States and China has not only grown steadily, but has also maintained its proportion on average—the United States has operated with an annual deficit of 65–67%. In 2019, trade turnover actually decreased by $120 billion, but the proportion remained the same. By 2022–2023, it had recovered, but the deficit remained at 65%. This is an illustration of the fact that the deficit was only an excuse for D. Trump, although it cannot be said that in this particular case it was a completely far-fetched excuse.

But the stock market became a problem, or rather, Chinese policy regarding this market.

The fact that China is facing another financial “collapse”, “collapse”, “bubble”, etc. is announced approximately every two to three years, and, characteristically, quite sharp collapses occur: 2007–2008, 2011, 2015, etc. However, everything is being restored. And China's exports depend, as before, on the state of the global economy as a whole.

China has managed to create a rather specific financial model, which, in general, is not called risky for nothing; another thing is that Beijing has been avoiding these risks for ten years, and not least at the expense of the United States. Chinese exporters and logistics companies account for 10–12% of the stock market, while the lion's share of Chinese equity projects is domestic infrastructure.

There are not only the famous empty cities or, as is now rumored, railways with a minimum of passengers, it is also the entire accompanying industrial complex, where a lot of useful things are produced. Some unprofitable projects are written off, but mostly the influx of funds from exchanges is redistributed to new projects. This, for example, is the same New Silk Road. At the same time, logistics itself usually does not enter into large direct borrowings on the foreign market.

That is, China is building internal infrastructure, assets in related areas, money for this is attracted from external markets, including from the US stock market. These funds enter the domestic payment system and are either redirected there in the form of investments in logistics and export production, or for consumption of individuals, the pension and social system, surpluses are accumulated or even “sanitized” through the recording of losses.

The system in China is dual-circuit, actually dual-currency, and the most important thing for Beijing and external investors is to keep the indicator of economic activity, the increase in domestic consumption, as the main marker. At the same time, funds from exports and revenues from logistics for Beijing come separately - that is, revenue comes from two directions.

Now let’s take the United States, where the stock market has acted in recent years as a container for collecting surpluses from the printing press, which has been operating at full capacity since the pandemic. But in order to ensure stable growth, the main pool of American corporations needs to export goods and services. At least top 300. They cannot build their “city of Ordos” and then write it off the balance sheet. The American top stock market is precisely exports. Unlike China.

However, the Chinese always need to almost forcefully revive the domestic market, otherwise that famous bubble will inflate, and investors will begin to withdraw funds. This is a rather risky swing, but from the point of view of the long term, Beijing is winning, largely drawing funds from the American market. Plus export to the USA, which in this case already irritates part of the American establishment simply by its fact.

Formally, China does not violate any WTO rules or investment agreements within the IMF; it even joined Basel III with its more stringent package of lending rules. However, as a result, China accumulates huge financial resources, which are quite difficult to calculate, since the second circuit of their financial system is not transparent.

And now it is clear why G. Kissinger decided to bring the rules of investment and trade under the “new world order”. This is a rather specific attempt, using “old school” methods, to agree with Beijing on the issue of not using such financial levers to form bloc policies. However, it is known that Beijing responded to this by expanding programs within the framework of the “Community of Shared Destiny” and “Belt and Road” concepts.

The US response to this, in theory, should have been projects like PGII and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, where the Americans planned to add some of the transactions to the superstructure of the WTO, without breaking the very foundation. B. Obama was replaced by D. Trump, who, instead of complex combinations, began to simply block the placement of Chinese on American sites, introduce patent restrictions and duties, playing, by the way, on the edge of the rules of the WTO itself. But American investors themselves make money on Chinese assets.

The idea of ​​a new Westphalian system: “China has no economic-political bloc in response to bonuses and stability” has hung in the air, and “a rules-based world” now refers more to discussions around the US, Russia and Ukraine. But the roots of these ideologies lie precisely in the difference in the economic models of the United States and China.

Americans, on the one hand, write scientific papers in which they try to prove to themselves that China will not be able to work within the framework of its geopolitical pole, but, on the other hand, all indicators of foreign trade in the same Southeast Asia indicate that Beijing has the pole as Once again, things are shaping up economically, and not only in this region.

We have repeatedly encountered the opinion that the Chinese model requires too precise control and potentially carries a lot of risks. This is further complicated by the fact that only the Chinese themselves have the real parameters of the second circuit of the Chinese financial system, as well as the indicators necessary to calculate the potential demand for certain goods and services, and the size of assets.

It is now clear that Beijing is not interested in this kind of Westphalian ideas, and the “world based on rules” is most likely not satisfied with the United States itself, not so much because Beijing has the funds largely at their expense, but because of what the Chinese are doing with these funds are spent.

But this is not so easy to solve; to do this, it is necessary to remove investment funds from the Chinese market, and Chinese funds from the American market.

There are a lot of similar ideas floating around in the United States, but nothing comes to fruition; here competence is required higher than the administration in the White House.

In the meantime, the United States and China will endure two months of silence until January 13 and the elections in Taiwan. After the meeting in San Francisco, both Beijing and Washington prefer not to take any high-profile and significant steps in this direction.
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  1. +4
    10 January 2024 04: 43
    The fact that China is facing another financial “collapse”, “collapse”, “bubble”, etc. is announced approximately once every two to three years.
    The same thing is said about the USA... Yes, Kissinger is already dead..
    1. 0
      10 January 2024 05: 24
      Quote: parusnik
      The same thing is said about the USA... Yes, Kissinger is already dead..

      Well, China looks more monolithic than the FSA.
      1. +11
        10 January 2024 05: 55
        Many people have dreams on the site, when the PRC and the USA will fight in a mortal fight... They won’t fight... They are interested in each other..
        1. +8
          10 January 2024 07: 23
          Quote: parusnik
          Many people have dreams on the site, when the PRC and the USA will fight in a mortal battle ..

          These “dreams” are fueled with all their might by propaganda...
          Quote: parusnik
          Let them not fight..They are interested in each other..

          I would even say that this is one organism, but at some point one of the organs became too large and independent. And it is clear that this cannot continue like this, but removing an organ yourself is also a so-so idea, a difficult, painful and very dangerous task...
          1. +5
            10 January 2024 12: 23
            This is not one organism, these are different organisms. The PRC is a symbiote for the USA, only at some point the USA reached some limits of its growth, and the PRC continued to grow, and not being able to receive nutrients equivalent to this growth from the USA, it began to launch its tentacles and architecture to other parts of the world, where sometimes breaking Western architecture, somewhere competing with it. The USA is still interested in benefiting from its symbiote, just as the PRC is interested in its benefit from the USA, the difference is that the USA wants it to “stop! (s)” and continue to be a diligent mycelium feeding the roots of their tree - and the PRC wants to hook on neighboring trees to have more juice, so to speak.
            1. +1
              10 January 2024 15: 43
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              The USA reached some limits of its growth, and the PRC continued to grow, and not being able to receive nutrients equivalent to this growth from the USA, it began to launch its tentacles and architecture to other parts of the world, somewhere breaking Western architecture, somewhere competing with it.

              When the United States distributed dollars to everyone, everyone was happy with everything. Now dollars are starting to return. China is encroaching on the hegemony of money. And this is one of the three legs on which the United States stands.
        2. +1
          10 January 2024 17: 26
          They've already grabbed each other. Only this is not a battle until the destruction of the enemy, but a competition for profits, for influence, for the best place in the sun. It’s like the struggle of workers for their rights with the employer - you cannot destroy the enemy. you just need to squeeze out what you can.
    2. +1
      11 January 2024 14: 27
      Quote: parusnik
      The same is said about the USA.

      The entire “Western world” is a bubble + robbery.
      Close the possibility of robbery - it will burst immediately or deflate.
      And so they will continue to inflate as long as there is something to rob. How long did our “geniuses” from the Central Bank keep in the USA? Here you go. We can say that they sponsored the American bubble (and also the Ukrainian Armed Forces)...
      1. -2
        11 January 2024 21: 52
        What kind of robbery is expressed in the fact that they sell scientific discoveries and technologies to the whole world?
        1. -1
          12 January 2024 04: 34
          Well, yes, they are “not colonies”, they “don’t export oil, but SAVE”...
          Marvelous Manyamir.
        2. 0
          12 January 2024 10: 25
          World trade is carried out in the dollar, the dollar is a reserve currency, the United States simply drew 1 trillion dollars, during the pandemic it drew 18 trillion and the pace has not slowed down. That's the robbery. And the United States began to introduce restrictions on payments in reserve currency (between third parties). THOSE. the basic functions of the reserve currency are violated. Accordingly, this leads to a lack of interest in selling resources for a currency in which they will not later sell you the goods you need.
          1. 0
            12 January 2024 15: 43
            Nobody forbids you to draw.
            They take advantage of their leading position and this is natural.
            1. 0
              15 January 2024 09: 42
              The first potential draftsman is China. The second, theoretically, OPEC....
  2. +4
    10 January 2024 05: 38
    "Everything was rotten in the Danish kingdom." (C) Everyone is not happy with everything. Just look again somewhere else, not Taiwan, something else will be found. Well, what about China, how old is the state, where are those who were created at the same time? It’s not for nothing that their policy is built with a view not even to years; the benefits are considered even in the most distant future.
  3. +8
    10 January 2024 05: 40
    Formally, China does not violate any WTO rules or investment agreements within the IMF

    A little from personal experience.
    In the 2000s, America moved production to China like crazy. A fashion has spread among their “effective managers” based on the idea that whoever doesn’t have time loses.
    And they transferred high-tech production (however, I’m talking about what I personally encountered closely) - with the transfer of know-how, training of local personnel.
    I remember a heated argument with one of the leading technical managers of one very well-known American company. Our home-grown spies like Chapman had just been arrested. I tell him, “You yourself gave China more secrets in just these six months than all the Russian spies could steal. Documentation and know-how, training in what is not in the documents! If the Russians stole a hundredth part of this, the scandal would be greater than with this Chapman! He agreed, but he believed this was the only way to remain competitive, “because everyone is doing it.”
    Friends were offered triple salaries for a year of living in China, training and transfer of experience...
    So China didn’t violate it, well, it stole a little, of course...
    But something had to be done about it. Plant your own??? - Well, their own technologies, in principle, I do what I want.
    They made restrictions on technology and China was to blame - America had no other option.
    And cries about the “fairness” of sanctions, etc. - after doing something stupid...
    What justice is it when billions of dollars worth of R&D and the work of millions of American engineers were wasted just like that?
    Just like our Soviet legacy.
    1. 0
      10 January 2024 12: 59
      Capital flows in the direction of the greatest profit, and Deng Xiaoping’s reforms created such conditions for foreign capital.
      An indispensable condition for foreign investment was the transfer of technology, and in return foreign capital received a huge and solvent sales market. Therefore, the expression is true: those who did not have time are late.
      The CCP's policy of supporting domestic producers through lending, taxation and a stable renminbi exchange rate led to the formation of monopolistic associations, improved quality, and increased competition in the domestic and foreign markets, which reduced the income of foreign corporations with all the ensuing consequences.
  4. 0
    10 January 2024 05: 48
    While China was the “shop of the world,” the United States was still happy with this situation. But as soon as China began to turn into the “factory of the world,” the United States saw China as a formidable competitor. After all, until recently, the United States recognized Taiwan as an inseparable territory of China. The stronger China became, the more harshly it was perceived in the USA.
    1. 0
      12 January 2024 12: 24
      After all, until recently the United States recognized Taiwan as an inseparable territory of China.

      And now they admit it. Moreover, Taiwan itself recognizes itself as part of China.
  5. -1
    10 January 2024 06: 36
    There is such a famous film - “On the Last Shore” - it shows what happened due to the military conflict between the USA and China over Taiwan - a nuclear war and humanity died out completely.
    1. 0
      10 January 2024 11: 27
      In a softer scenario from Black Isle Studios, everything ended with Wastelands, ruins of cities, gangs, rare Vaults and the search for a water chip or G.E.C.K. smile
      And it all started with the conflict between China and the United States.
    2. 0
      10 January 2024 16: 27
      Yes, the film is cool, although it is old.
  6. +2
    10 January 2024 09: 18
    In fact, the market is simple.
    If you sell, you get richer, if you buy, you get poorer.
    He works for the grandmother with jam and in international trade.
    China pumped out 3 trillion from the States alone in 10 years. Clearly, there is an upswing there. That's why Trump was alarmed.
    1. +1
      10 January 2024 09: 38
      Evil or good tongues periodically write that China’s real reserves have accumulated up to 7 trillion, other languages ​​that they have nothing. Almost like about Chinese nuclear weapons. I will reflect this in the topic about the elections. But the thing is that no one except the Chinese knows for sure. Maybe they're bluffing, but maybe they're not wink
      1. 0
        13 January 2024 11: 59
        The main thing in dominating the world is the Chinese belief in 600 year cycles. 100 years of growth have passed, and they will continue to grow for another 200. Stock indices are subject to mysticism. This is how the CCP operates, and so do the “marketeers”
        This is the fear of the great future of China in the US government and Wallstreet+City
    2. +1
      11 January 2024 14: 40
      Quote: Arzt
      In fact, the market is simple.
      If you sell, you get richer, if you buy, you get poorer.


      And here are the figurines.
      Let's say there is someone who sells resources.
      And the one who buys them.
      The degenerate who sells resources will remain poor.
      And the one who buys them, then processes them and sells them (including to the degenerate from whom he bought them) gets rich.
      Quote: Arzt
      China pumped out 3 trillion from the States alone in 10 years.

      Because China had (and still has) PRODUCTION, it produced goods and sold them.
      From nails to telephones and computers. Yes, almost everything.
      Sometimes on one shift for a brand from the USA, and on another for their own, the same thing.

      It is quite natural that money flowed to China.

      We could too (and we COULD once), but “the main thing for the reformers was “so that the USSR does not return,” so we spent 30 years, either simply purposefully destroying it, or fretting about raw materials, saying “we’ll buy everything.”
      And the real economy without production is the bottom, extremely backward.
      The United States is spudning/spudding the whole world, because it was only because the norm was not bothered by the fact that the real economy left for China.
      1. 0
        11 January 2024 16: 24
        And here are the figurines.
        Let's say there is someone who sells resources.
        And the one who buys them.
        The degenerate who sells resources will remain poor.
        And the one who buys them, then processes them and sells them (including to the degenerate from whom he bought them) gets rich.

        Yeah. Poor Dubai, UAE and Saudis. laughing
        Loot should be spent wisely, on your own country, and not on others.
  7. +1
    10 January 2024 12: 06
    Rules are the same laws and exist in all spheres of social life and are objective in nature, and their knowledge can limit or expand their application.
    The driving force of social development is private ownership of the means of production and the distribution of surplus product.
    Among private owners, the largest ones stand out, the increase in material wealth of which directly depends on the sales market, which predetermines the desire to expand it by capturing others, and this is war.
    War is a risky undertaking; it can result in both gains and loss of everything acquired.
    The threat of unacceptable losses leads to collusion, and collusion predetermines mutual consideration of interests and assimilation, joining efforts in the struggle for new markets. This is how transnational associations are formed that go beyond national jurisdictions and form international structures for the peaceful resolution of contradictions, so that in the event of a confrontation they do not end up with nothing.
    The global architecture created by transnational associations predetermines the reporting of all government entities to regional and international institutions - the IMF, IDB, WTO, OSCE, etc., and blackmail, political economic sanctions, forceful intervention and regime change are applied to violators of the established rules.
    The existing rules presuppose market relations, which mean the rejection of protectionist measures to protect the domestic market and subsidies for industries, the market-speculative exchange rate of banknotes and the refusal to maintain its stability, the free movement of capital, the rejection of a planned economy, etc.
    The social system of the PRC is out of step with the picture of the world created by transnational associations, which predetermines fundamental disagreements and accusations of currency manipulation, non-disclosure of information about gold and foreign exchange reserves to “international” financial organizations, protectionism, the determining role of the CCP in politics and a planned economy, territorial claims, undermining stability and peace worldwide.
  8. +2
    10 January 2024 12: 17
    I hear the expression “rules-based order” much more often - probably meaning world order.
    What angers the West is understandable - any order (laws) is largely devalued without the addition of the possibility of expanded monitoring, both of their implementation and the potential capabilities of those falling under these laws, in order to improve the “chess”. After all, this is only one side of the Laws - ordering and creating a compromise environment, and the other side is precisely the creation of conditions for scratching, the preservation and improvement of these conditions.
    The West is very fond of sufficient amounts of data, because Western strategies are based on analytics and ideas about which cricket can do what on its pole. In this regard, Western strategies, as a rule, differ more favorably from ours, because in our case, first came Representations, and then Analytics, and in their case, first came Analytics and only then its data, sometimes in that or otherwise adjusted to the Submissions.
    China is a rather closed country and did not kiss the West even during the “warming” period, and most importantly, the attached Western case was much weaker there than in our case.
    This irritates the West, including aesthetically - because the idea of ​​the comprehensiveness of their messianism, of certain common values ​​that they were able to pick up and “discover” for the first time, and, accordingly, the monopoly, the “brand” of these values ​​is being destroyed - because for a number of states this and no value at all.
    Above, I mentioned Views and Analytics in the context of strategies - so, the peculiarity of the PRC is that they generally try not to rely on “Views” in the context of strategies - they operate with naked Analytics. One could say that this is the best part of materialism that they got. China is not trying to push its ideas where the soil seems to be more productive - it is interested in the loot, technology, supplies and architecture for this. If somewhere in the Pacific Ocean there was a portal to Hell, then the Chinese would also calmly trade with hundreds of sea trades, smiling and bowing - and their “ideas” that this is bad and that it should somehow be condemned and something to impose on him would not play any role either in the decision-making or in further interaction.

    Thus, in addition to the above (closedness, denial of the attached Western case), I would suggest that violation of the “rules” is also active activity outside Western Ideas, including with the fruits of Western technologies. The West strives to make its architecture global to a sufficient extent so that, like EdR in the State Duma, it has a majority, in order to decide for all of humanity, in order to have a controlling stake in the Earth Corporation - and China is a very large stone on this highway that does not want to crumble.
    1. +1
      10 January 2024 20: 54
      By the way, look at the latest creation of “old Harry” comrades.
      Burns "atsky soton" wink But it’s quite readable; by the way, I didn’t immediately understand that the main addressee of the message was China. Only at the end of the reading did the puzzle come together.
      https://crimescience.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Монография-Киссинджер.pdf
      1. 0
        10 January 2024 21: 31
        Mikhail, I’m still not inclined to overestimate the long-term power of the PRC. China is very unlucky with geography, from the west to the northwest it is sandwiched by mountains (from the west, in addition to the mountains, also by India), from the north by desert Mongolia and the cold, difficult-to-develop lands of the Russian Federation. In the East, the ocean and Japan are also overpopulated islands. In the South as a whole, a much more interesting direction BUT is the extremely vast expanses of sea and, in fact, a conflict with the most developed part of humanity, which is collectively superior to China in both demographics and resources. From the West, East and North of China - territories to which Chinese culture is alien, with which China will never be able to build something even approximately similar to the USSR or the EU. Even pan-Asianism is a pipe dream because they compete furiously with each other and have a long tradition of hatred and mistrust. In the case of the EU, an approximate analogue was overcome due to approximately equal masses of participants (the core), and in the case of Asia, this is unrealistic - the total demography of the “Asian peoples” (I mean the Asian race) is inferior to the Chinese.
        So - China is populous, alien and located in a geographical pocket - its desire to be a global player will be limited by this and will be inferior to the so-called “Western world”, which is much more understandable to most of humanity. Climate warming and rising sea levels will also play against China, with its powerful coastal agglomerations.
        Even a properly constructed USSR 2.0 project would be much more dangerous for the West in the long term than China. For a land megalo-empire, everything was simpler with communications and more resources, the understanding of the participants was better, and the compromise of the “white center” would be much higher, as well as the ability to generate ideas more understandable to the world. And global warming would be to our advantage - unlike China. In the short to medium term, yes, China is a problem and a challenge for the West. But, like the USSR, it is a limited Bogeyman, which can be painted (for your own purposes) much more terrible than it really is. Now the PRC is flourishing, I hope this will not demolish their tower the same way it demolished Japan at one time.
        In the long term, the PRC has no future as a “global center” - the center will either remain where it is, or will be in the center of the Heartland (if we stop fooling around and work hard like Papa Carlo for 100 years), or “sort of decentralize”, in fact still remaining where it exists, simply in a weakened form and in a state of greater global uncertainty.
        China will be a “thing in itself,” powerful but surrounded - a sort of Jupiter, more than a planet but less than a Star.
        1. +1
          10 January 2024 21: 39
          I did some more material on the elections in Taiwan, which will take place in two days. There, in the second part, I tried once again to approach the economic background of the trade wars between the United States and China, which later transform into a geopolitical confrontation. So that it turns out as if from two parts, but with a common core.
          Here it’s not so much about power or not great power, but rather about the features of the two financial models; by the way, you noticed this point well in the term “symbiote” in relation to China. The term is very accurate. hi
          1. 0
            10 January 2024 22: 33
            I like the way you see things - few people here understand the importance of economic development, trade and traffic and small nuances, and that, often, for a real security architecture this can be commensurate (or even more) in importance than direct Power or Creep.
            Personally, I’m not very strong in economics, although I understand the importance of these things - it’s more convenient for me to think in terms of structures, at least being aware of their hard spots and soft spots, strengths and weaknesses, limitations of their forms and the traditions of their unsuccessful and successful experiences.
            Regarding China, I once very much remembered a phrase from the book “Frigate “Pallada””, something like “Everywhere we landed in Asia, the British were engaged in large trade - the Chinese were engaged in small trade (c).” The Chinese are excellent at “penetrating”, occupying some gaps between niches, where they are quite clever at moving these niches or even capturing them, but in architectural terms they are far from the long-term strategies of the Anglo-Saxons, from their refined mechanisms of “lure” and planting on the product and promoting their brands with a carload of things attached to them, such as image, style, a picture of a beautiful and full life and the replacement of the concept of “freedom” with the concept of “expanded consumerism”.
            The Chinese know how to make a product cheaply, they know how to disguise it quite well as a quality one, and yes, at times it is quite good for the money. They can skillfully sell this product, they can promote brands and even occupy niches. But here is the IMAGE in the complex, this very Image of the Consumer Society and the complete Western complex of cultural products, a beautiful cover and mental images and “clips” that are understandable to Western-oriented characters, as well as a fantastic and ambitious vertically and horizontally oriented architecture for this AND MUCH MORE architecture, plowing onto it. which the West is building - this is already beyond the capabilities, and maybe even the understanding of the Chinese. They and their culture will not be able to be as flexible and dexterous, as simple and attractive - and their product will be in isolation from all this, simply cheap, perhaps even good. And the West will eventually outplay them in technology, image and style, come closer to the cost and take its own.

            So I see all this “in perspective”. I don’t understand how the PRC will occupy more than a lard of the population after the energy, production and digital revolution “in fruits”. “Digital” will bring the expansion of robotic production, thermonuclear or advanced atom will make generation very cheap - and it will turn out that the people in China have nothing to occupy them with. It cannot be as creative and flexible, as creative and business-free as in the West. I see this hole and even though it is far away, I can’t imagine how the PRC will jump over it. For now, yes, it’s his time - but I can’t assess how competently he’s using it lately. It might be interesting to read your article on this subject, from an economic and industrial point of view.

            And yes, I think that Taiwan doesn’t care to be Chinese, the influence, disproportionate forces and geography are too strong. Whether by military means or not, I cannot judge. This will happen in the short to medium term, while China is in its “golden age”.
  9. +1
    10 January 2024 16: 26
    China has committed a major crime against the United States. He began to earn money in the same way as the United States by exporting its currency.
    The United States derives its main income and economic success from investing in countries that have suffered for various reasons. (This is about the question of why the United States needs wars and not at all for the profit of their military-industrial complex) For their part, they open their market and invest. The recovery rate in a weakened or destroyed country reaches tens of percent. American corporations got rich on this. On the restoration of Europe and Japan after World War II. In South Korea. And finally, in China itself.
    But China itself has now begun to do the same. It is investing fabulous amounts of money in Africa and Southeast Asia. It has even reached South America. And where should American corporations/banks go now?
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      10 January 2024 17: 34
      IMHO, everything is simpler. The unipolar world is turning into a bipolar world - the USA and China.

      The vacuum of influence that appeared after the defeat of the USSR was not completely filled by the United States, and China began to rapidly fill part of this vacuum. When the entire vacuum is filled, the USA and China will divide the world, balance will come and their struggle will turn into ordinary competition.

      The world will become stable, it will have owners.
  10. +1
    11 January 2024 15: 56
    China was already in a similar situation before the Opium Wars with Britain.
    Let me remind you that the main reason then was the trade balance that was positive for China and negative for Britain. They tried to align it in their direction with the help of Opium. China resisted and got in all places. And all the finances for this were based in Hong Kong and the main ban for opium payments HSBC/

    Now exactly the same thing is happening, but on a larger scale than before. Plus China has up to 60-70% of the world's production capacity and almost all competencies. China needs to use the dollars it earns to buy from the West what is no longer being sold to it.... Everything else it produces at home.
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    13 January 2024 05: 14
    The rules must be correct.
    There shouldn't be any wrong rules.