Severe frosts in the Donbass and northern Ukraine will become a serious test for Western military equipment

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Severe cold weather in the northern regions of Ukraine and the Donbass could become a new obstacle to the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is discussed by Western military experts who believe that frosts will become a serious test for Western military equipment in service with Ukrainian formations.

The air temperature in Donbass and northern Ukraine drops to minus 20 degrees. In such a situation, exploitation tanks and Western-made armored vehicles becomes problematic. For example, the fuel for American-made Abrams tanks transferred to Ukraine, according to American military analysts themselves, requires special storage at low temperatures.

Preparing tanks for combat use in cold weather conditions will also require additional costs. Already at an air temperature of minus 12 degrees, problems are possible when operating American military equipment. At the very least, it will take longer to prepare it for use.

Russian military equipment was produced precisely under conditions of such temperatures, so frost will not become a strong obstacle to its operation. And this is yet another advantage of Russian weapons over Western ones.

The same “General Moroz” who at one time thwarted both the Napoleonic adventure and Hitler’s “blitzkrieg”, and today is becoming an important ally of the Russian army. Of course, it will not be so easy for our military to conduct combat operations in such conditions. But still, their situation is much better due to the greater preparedness of equipment for such temperatures.

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[rocket757]

The air temperature in Donbass and northern Ukraine drops to minus 20 degrees. In such a situation, the operation of Western-made tanks and armored vehicles becomes problematic.

. Let’s assume that the upcoming “difficulties” were known in advance... and what was done to prevent such problems from occurring?

[Anarchist]

Quote: rocket757

was it known in advance about the upcoming “difficulties”... and what was done to prevent such problems from occurring?

This is how a lightning-fast “counter-offensive” was planned, on which all the “wet” hopes of the West were pinned. He had to solve these problems. They believed in him so blindly that no plan “b” was even contemplated.

[rocket757]

It’s not difficult to guess based on whose patterns such plans were made...
But you need to learn the whole story, and not the parts you like.

[Bad_gr]

By the way, our gunpowder is designed to burn normally at temperatures from -50°C, and Western ones, it seems, from -30°C.

[Bad_gr]

I drove the T-62 tank in the cold - I liked it. On frozen ground the tank accelerates easily, like on asphalt, there is no dust, everything is clean all around.
But I can’t remember servicing it when the temperature is just above zero, when there is dampness, dirt, and cold all around without shuddering.

[rocket757]

Fuel, lubricants, necessary winter grades... this is the most well-known/obvious...
In addition to this, a lot of things are needed, corresponding to the climatic conditions of the combat zone... it’s impossible to count everything.

[parabyd]

What can you do if the equipment was driven from all over the world? Where to carry out seasonal maintenance and with what? What, where, in what quantity should I pour? I don’t think that PARMs were supplied with a set of equipment and trained personnel along with the equipment.

And there are even more questions about cars from Turkey, Australia and other hot countries. Heaters, preheaters, devices for injecting ether into the intake manifold, insulation for radiators, batteries, and engine compartment are probably not expected.

If only they forgot to change the water in the radiator for antifreeze

[rocket757]

It’s clear that it’s a hodgepodge... but it’s very useful to know geography, and to learn history, all of it, not in parts.

[Thrifty]

Just one question for the author of the article - did he not participate in the exercises at an air temperature of minus 25 degrees and a wind of 23 meters per second? Our equipment is also technology, and it breaks down like any other, according to the same laws of physics and the presence of ignoramuses on this equipment.

[topol717]

Quote: Thrifty

Just one question for the author of the article - did he not participate in the exercises at an air temperature of minus 25 degrees and a wind of 23 meters per second?

This was a long time ago, then no one knew about modern oils, and winter diesel fuel was the exception rather than the rule. Although it may well not be winter in Donbass right now, I hope the guys remember how to heat a diesel tank.
I was generally stunned about fuel for Abrams. As far as I know, Abrams is fueled with aviation kerosene. And kerosene burns well even down to -35.

[Berkut752]

topol717
(Evgeniy) """ And kerosene burns well even down to -35.""" only winter kerosene burns well.

[topol717]

What is winter kerosene?
I don’t remember this, but I remember well what kerosene gas is; I “fought” it a lot as a child)))
And I remember that in severe frost, the most ordinary kerosene only became slightly cloudy.
And the Abrams need to be refueled with Aviation kerosene. There the pour point is generally below -50.

[topol717]

What is winter kerosene?
I don’t remember this, but I remember well what kerosene gas is; I “fought” it a lot as a child)))
And I remember that in severe frost, the most ordinary kerosene only became slightly cloudy.
And the Abrams need to be refueled with Aviation kerosene. There the pour point is generally below -50.

[TOS-NN]

“Winter kerosene” is the popular name for diesel fuel with a low paraffin content, extracted by heating oil below the gasoline fraction in the column (roughly looking at the primary process of oil refining). It is paraffins that crystallize in diesel fuel, causing it to cloud (solidify). It is they who are deposited on the walls of the fuel lines, narrowing them. And the worst thing is that the fuel filters are clogged tightly. Winter diesel fuel (kerosene) had the old marking according to GOST, for example Z-02-40 (W - winter, 02 is 0.2% sulfur content in volume, and most importantly 40 is -40g. C cloud point). I bought jet fuel at a hardware store under the guise of TS-1 solvent. This is the old GOST designation for jet fuel - Aircraft Fuel. Practically the purest diesel fuel without paraffin. And I poured the bottle into the tank before the frost. It helped a lot. It was cheap and cheerful compared to the prices of imported additives. A neighbor in the garage was having fun extracting paraffin from diesel fuel. Sunet powders a bucket in a snowdrift in the evening, and in the morning expresses the “milk” through a mosquito net with a cloth. Of course, it wasn’t jet fuel, but the paraffin snot remained on the grid. Without this dirty trick, Ruslan, flying from hot India, would not have collapsed near Irkutsk.

[TOS-NN]

There was also Arctic diesel fuel. Gorgeous diesel fuel. Almost as good as TS-1. And cheaper. But in central Russia it was sold extremely rarely.

[DenVB]

Quote: TOS-NN

There was also Arctic diesel fuel.

In the Soviet film "72 degrees below zero", about Antarctica, there was an episode when summer diesel fuel froze in the tanks of tractors. The supplier, who forgot to bring winter diesel fuel, said that he should have just added kerosene.

[Igor Viktorovich]

Don't forget the links to the repost.

[ZloyCat]

"Only winter kerosene burns well."
Well, it's begun. For those who don’t know, diesel fuel is made for winter use by diluting it with kerosene, and winter kerosene does not exist in nature. Both winter and summer diesel fuel burn exactly the same(!) in any frost. the only difference is the paraffin in the fuel lines

[rocket757]

Weather disasters affect everyone equally!!! But the training of equipment and military specialists who use/repair it is different...
Although, I must admit, the Ukrainians themselves are not very different from ours... we live nearby, in the same climatic conditions.

[Igor Viktorovich]

Especially Siberia and the Far East, just like in Crimea yeah..

[rocket757]

Our country is large and there are more extremes and extremes than most others.
Ukraine... everything is approximately the same as in central Russia, with the exception of the Black Sea regions.

[rocket757]

Weather disasters affect everyone equally!!! But the training of equipment and military specialists who use/repair it is different...
Although, I must admit, the Ukrainians themselves are not very different from ours... we live nearby, in the same climatic conditions.

[Popandos]

20 minus degrees

I’m embarrassed to ask, but is this really “severe frost”?

[fa2998]

And I’m embarrassed to ask, which Donbass do I live in? The border is 5 km away. It's plus 5, minus 5 outside - this is our classic winter. It rained for a week, now it's powdery, like a swing.

[TOS-NN]

It depends. In the Chelyabinsk region, at minus 25, I walked after school without really noticing the frost. Ruddy came home and that was all. And in the sixth grade I visited Leningrad. We got out of the metro near Nevsky Prospekt. The closest station to Palace Square. My mother and I ran to the Hermitage, dashing through shops. Wrap up your scarf! Why, mom? Minus 18 only. We are from the Urals. Yeah. And I studied medicine here for seven years. He walked through Dvortsovaya to the Hermitage, wrapped up to his ears in a scarf.

[ZloyCat]

“I’m embarrassed to ask, but is this really “severe frost”?”
well, for +3, which are now rampant in the Donbass, strong

[rocket757]

And when were there really bitter frosts in central Russia??? I personally remember the frosts in Moscow - 43°, because the planes weren’t flying and I had to hang around at the airport, waiting for it to warm up.
This was a long time ago... but then, I had to travel to places where such temperatures were not uncommon, but the NORMAL!
How are we doing now??? People have relaxed and at a temperature of -22°, half of the cars parked in their yards simply won’t start! To their joy, such temperatures, if at all, occur only for a few days throughout the winter...

[Berkut752]

rocket757
Victor. For the Russian soldier, this weather: “Frost and sun; a wonderful day!” is simply grace. And I won’t talk about technology. I remember when the plane was launched, it sounded like it was coming out of hibernation with a pleasant roar.

[Berkut752]

rocket757
Victor. For the Russian soldier, this weather: “Frost and sun; a wonderful day!” is simply grace. And I won’t talk about technology. I remember when the plane was launched, it sounded like it was coming out of hibernation with a pleasant roar.

[rocket757]

Cold, dank weather is not a joy for many, this is a fact.
This is despite the fact that there are more means and methods to keep warm, and simply not to freeze, and they are more accessible.
But there can be problems with equipment if preventive measures are not taken in time and maintenance is not carried out!
Water in the brake and fuel systems is someone’s stupidity and irresponsibility!!!
It freezes and pokes around, I fix everything in the cold...

[Ross xnumx]

Severe frosts in the Donbass and northern Ukraine will become a serious test for Western military equipment

Finally, the traditional main forces of Russia - General Moroz - are entering the battle!

[Stark]

Quote: ROSS 42

Severe frosts in the Donbass and northern Ukraine will become a serious test for Western military equipment

Finally, the traditional main forces of Russia - General Moroz - are entering the battle!

Such frosts are -18-20, here in the Urals we consider it warm!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: stark

Such frosts are -18-20, here in the Urals we consider it warm!

and for example, in the Kaliningrad region it’s even -10 at night, there’s a terrible frost (it happened that on December 31st, in a field, I was picking daisies in bloom), there’s no need to even talk about Europe

[Stark]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: stark

Such frosts are -18-20, here in the Urals we consider it warm!

and for example, in the Kaliningrad region it’s even -10 at night, there’s a terrible frost (it happened that on December 31st, in a field, I was picking daisies in bloom), there’s no need to even talk about Europe

And we had a thaw and something often I couldn’t stand it.. Now the frosts have fucked -20 with the wind And my soul just started singing, though it’s damn cold But there’s snow.. I want a snowstorm, with howling and snowdrifts I love this weather!!!!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Fuck, Fuck such happiness

[Bad_gr]

Quote: ROSS 42

Finally, the traditional main forces of Russia - General Moroz - are entering the battle!

[2112vda]

While working in the Far North, we had a comic gradation of temperatures:
from 0 to -30 it is warm;
-30 to -50 is cold;
from -50 and beyond it is very cold.
It was considered normal for work if it was -40 outside and -20 in the box, the main thing was that there was no wind.

[I dare to_notice_]

Cold is when the “whisper of the stars” appears (your breath rustles like crystals in your ears) and everything plunges into “fog.”
This starts at -37.
And then... it doesn’t matter how many minuses there are))))

[2112vda]

It’s true, in severe frosts the air “rings” and, in clear skies, the aurora.

[Old_geologist]

Back in 1989, I came to Karelia for the first time, right on these dates. Frosts were around -40. So, here -39 was considered warming and we could go into the forest on skis. But below 40 we only walked; ski boots were in the USSR without any insulation. True, the shoe covers on top helped a little. It was only later, when we started walking seriously, that we used cable fastenings and ordinary turbo boots, which by the way were also without insulation, but at least two woolen socks could fit in.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Old_geologist

So, here -39 was considered warming

Quote: I dare_notice_

It's cold when the "whisper of the stars" appears

Quote: 2112vda

While working in the Far North, we had a comic gradation of temperatures:
from 0 to -30 it is warm;

gentlemen, forgive me generously, but you are driving me into depression with such perversions, I WANT WARMTH

[Msi]

gentlemen, forgive me generously, but you are driving me into depression with such perversions, I WANT WARMTH

If I'm not mistaken, you We lived in Kazakhstan before... There are also severe frosts there...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from Msi

It's also very cold there...

not everywhere, you write about the north, but I lived in Alma-Ata, as a child I could wear a demi-season jacket all winter
Of course, the daisies didn’t bloom in December, but -10 was a terrible frost

[Old_geologist]

As they said in Chukotka, three months are cold, the rest are very cold. I haven’t worked in Yakutia, but it’s even colder there in winter and hot in summer.

[Stark]

Quote: 2112vda

It was considered normal for work if it was -40 outside and -20 in the box, the main thing was that there was no wind.

And we have a damn wind -20 with the wind it's -30 hehe
And if it’s -30 and there’s wind..EVERYTHING is a terrible thing!!!!!
You go to work and sing a song like Pavka Korchagin
Especially when the wind is in your face and you still manage to smoke)))))

[Msi]

Such frosts are -18-20, here in the Urals we consider it warm

Today, here in the Belgorod region, at minus 20, I’m damn cold, out of habit... My hands are mostly intact, I can write...

[Dobrenko]

Come to St. Petersburg and you will be very surprised by the difference -20/30 depending on the region

[123_123]

Combat operations must be conducted in different spheres, including the media. Therefore, comprehensive articles with photographs of damaged and/or frozen equipment from NATO countries will help reduce the export potential of their military-industrial complex enterprises.

[Stark]

Quote: 123_123

Combat operations must be conducted in different spheres, including the media. Therefore, comprehensive articles with photographs of damaged and/or frozen equipment from NATO countries will help reduce the export potential of their military-industrial complex enterprises.

Here I agree with you, it’s necessary to show all this .. But there is one nuance: the Internet is controlled by the Angos-Saxons and the Jews ... Now it’s generally difficult to find anything foo video .. Usually EVERYTHING is immediately cleared and blocked, but I don’t want to look at Russia’s losses on all resources .. .
So that’s it..But the world understands what and how and why..We are working!!!!
P.S. German tanks are a little muddy or frozen, the caterpillars are flying in!!! And they can only be repaired in factories. It’s useless in the field! Well, the gadgets are all electronic.
In WWII, the same thing happened with the vaunted “Tigers”, Panthers, etc.

[rotmistr60]

Western military experts who believe that frost will be a serious test for Western military equipment

But this is what they say: don’t go to your mother. It will be a test, and a difficult one at that. Or did they plan, like the Germans in 1941, to finish it with a lightning strike and finish it in the fall? But the “counter-offensive” failed miserably, and now they are worried that the frosts will once again spoil the image of Western technology.

[Wolfskin1993]

Krynki are waiting for the arrival of Santa Claus! He will take all the cattle kids there with him! And so they didn’t suffer!

[Old_geologist]

And at the same time, the Amers and Europeans are still planning to conquer the Arctic from us. I'm freaking out, dear editors. If their equipment doesn’t work at -20...

[2112vda]

Somewhere at the end of perestroika, foreigners came to us in frosts of -30. Then I saw the purple black man for the first time. An American correspondent flew in in winter and was very surprised that in Yamal, on the helipad, there were no toilets at all.

[Normann]

I was very surprised that in Yamal

How surprised she would be that they generally only happen outside, where the frost is below 50.

[bone1]

You might think that Western technology is not tested at testing sites with extremely low temperatures?

[maximaniak]

"In Donbass"? Seriously?

[opposite28]

General "Moroz" and the domestic troops will freeze pretty much. If only the love of the Motherland would warm

[AB]

Strange. article. To begin with, according to some historians, General Moroz could have been shot for treason, because when the Germans attacked, they advanced on hard, frozen ground. The Red Army was not so lucky when it launched a counteroffensive.
And now a little bit from life: how many houses do we have there without heating in the midst of frost? It seems that everything was also calculated taking into account lower temperatures.
At -25 I was on a train, in a relatively new carriage, where everything that could and could not fail was broken down. In no small part due to low temperatures. Although it would seem that everything in the carriage should have been designed, thought out and made taking into account low temperatures.
And if you consider that the main enemy of all NATO has always been Russia, regardless of ideology and form of economic management, then it seems that they also tried to make equipment that could fight in territories where there could be severe frosts.

[Master 2030]

The same “General Moroz” who at one time thwarted both the Napoleonic adventure and Hitler’s “blitzkrieg”, and today is becoming an important ally of the Russian army.

It has long been proven that the main factor in the defeat of the Nazis was not the frosty generals and the Red Army, but the Red Army, and the Napoleonic army before Berezena retained sufficient combat effectiveness.
So, “trust in God and don’t make a mistake yourself.”
Ceterum censeo Washingtonum delendam esse

[TOS-NN]

And there is no need to explain to adversaries the true meaning of Suvorov’s words: “Keep your head cold, your stomach hungry, and your feet warm.” Let them walk around without hats and not be rude. Welcome

[Dedok]

Quote from: topol717

This was a long time ago, then no one knew about modern oils, and winter diesel fuel was the exception rather than the rule.

not only diesel fuel, but also antifreeze

[Dedok]

Quote: Old_geologist

If at -20 their equipment does not work...

What kind of technology are you talking about?
maybe about the Magiruses of the mid-70s? so they were better than both Krazov and Tatra; has much changed since then?
were regularly present at BAM and -50, and had to work despite the frost

[Igor Viktorovich]

It’s like, we’re not even surprised anymore.. It’s hot, then it’s muddy roads, and now it’s freezing...

[Ray]

-20 is this frost? It’s already -30 in Bashkiria today. At the beginning of December there were also the same number. Last year it dropped to -50. And my American Chevrolet Aveo starts at -28-30 without heating. Why shouldn't the Abrams start at -20?

[Igor Viktorovich]

I wrote it exactly right... MY AMERICAN AVEO... I just had to write.. why the Abrams SHOULD not start..