“It’s absurd to go into battle on it”: a foreign publication criticized the Russian BOSS submarine project

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“It’s absurd to go into battle on it”: a foreign publication criticized the Russian BOSS submarine project

In theory, there may be submarines that will scour the water surface, launch Drones and hit targets with artillery fire, anti-tank missiles and torpedoes. Rubin Design Bureau implemented this idea in the concept of the BOSS submarine, intended for border service.

As indicated in Covert Shores, the first iteration of this type of ship, called Sentry, was unveiled in 2021. The BOSS project looks more modern, but essentially retains the functionality of its predecessor.



The length of the structure is from 60 to 70 meters, depending on the configuration chosen by the customer, and the load capacity is about 1000 tons. It can carry up to 42 people, including a special group. Two waterproof hangars at the stern can accommodate high-speed boats and UAVs. The launch of drones will be automated.

The sail can be equipped with an automatic cannon, which can be recessed into the leading edge of the wheelhouse to provide streamlining under water. On the bow of the hull there are two retractable quad launchers for the Kornet ATGM. They have a firing range of about 10 km and can be useful against merchant ships.



However, engaging such a submarine in battle with armed submarines would be an absurd idea. Submarines are vulnerable on the surface and are also slow and unmanoeuvrable.

- the author critically believes.

As he notes, the submarine is equipped with four torpedo tubes installed externally under the hull. They are probably intended for a light MTT torpedo. According to the author, the placement of TA may indicate the auxiliary role of BOSS in wartime.

The foreign publication notes that BOSS is aimed primarily at the export market. The design of this submarine makes it relatively inexpensive and therefore accessible to countries with small navies.
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  1. -16
    5 January 2024 10: 21
    laughing The “partners” began to fuss. The enemy scolds us, which means we are doing everything right.
    1. +9
      5 January 2024 11: 11
      Submarines are generally vulnerable by definition.
      Either above the water or under the water.
      A discovered submarine is a dead submarine.
      The only thing is that if she was on the surface, the crew would have a chance to save her.
      The main defense is stealth, not armor or weapons.
    2. -9
      5 January 2024 11: 16
      Airat, I agree 100 percent - if the adversary scolds. That means the “hybrid submarine” is promising, especially for export. The fight against pirates, poachers. As a classroom, incl.
      I think the diversionary ultra-small diesel-electric submarines “Karlik-Midget” model DG-160, which Romania (after construction at its shipyard under an Italian license) can transfer to the Navy, can handle.
      Ladoga. Caspian Sea, Dnieper. So it will really be useful for border guards.
      In general, there is enough work
      1. +11
        5 January 2024 19: 34
        Quote: knn54
        The “hybrid submarine” is promising, especially for export.

        Well, yes. For the Colombian drug lords - this will be the best! laughing
        And so, from the project, the ears of the “overland” stick out for the message. sad
        It was necessary to think of such a thing in order to use a “border” submarine as a “secret” to detain state border violators!!!
        They also attached various bells and whistles (not typical of a modern submarine) to it: guns (remember the “K” series submarines, or what?), Cornet installations were stuck on, clearly imitating a “retro car” (there was an “S” in the Baltic with a BM- installation 13 from above).
        Well, yes, there were boats of the Danube flotilla with Katyushas, ​​hitting the shore before the landing... But not border guards!!!
        Scary! am
        1. -1
          6 January 2024 00: 29
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          For the Colombian drug lords - this will be the best!

          ) the barons and the border guards in this case have one task - to go unnoticed, but perhaps they are 50 years late, now there are a lot of echo sounders and UAVs, as if the matter is not limited to those looking ahead, but on the other hand - not everything and not always flogged according to the modern
      2. +4
        6 January 2024 01: 04
        Why spend money on building a submarine to fight pirates or poachers???
        1. +3
          6 January 2024 18: 07
          This is not to fight pirates or poachers, this is to save budget money! laughing
      3. +2
        6 January 2024 09: 07
        And how is it better than a surface ship??
      4. 0
        9 January 2024 18: 16
        Well, that's nonsense. The submarine will not be able to catch up with the poachers and detain them. But she won’t shoot at them with anti-tank missiles. Go to the Caspian Sea or the Sea of ​​Azov and see how this process happens))) It’s better to invent normal high-speed, maneuverable PSKR for border guards.
    3. -7
      5 January 2024 12: 26
      as an option, if the diesel-electric submarine carries light MTT mini-torpedoes, then you can also supply a mini-anti-ship missile zircon
      1500 is no longer needed - a range of 300 km is enough for the eyes
      and on the Kornet ATGM launcher you can integrate a TPK with a missile defense system from the Pantsir air defense missile system with a range of 20 km.
      although there are Kornet 9M133FM-3 ATGM missiles for hitting air targets at speeds of up to 900 km/h and at a range of up to 10 km.
      - these are all sorts of anti-submarine aircraft Poseidon, Orion and PLO helicopters
    4. +10
      5 January 2024 12: 26
      The goals and objectives for this product are not very clear. As well as application concepts. The design will definitely not be cheap, but the output will be some kind of mixer.
      1. -2
        5 January 2024 12: 32
        you also need to install a module on it with a 152-mm gun from the Coalition, only 2 barrels
  2. +2
    5 January 2024 10: 26
    "Checkmate" in an "underwater" version!?)) No, so what, it will be exported. Let them buy.
    1. -2
      5 January 2024 12: 41
      Checkmate somehow didn’t interest anyone.
  3. +1
    5 January 2024 10: 26
    We have nuclear submarines with LIB, we are completing the last MAPLs from the series of forty pennants, so we can think about a border submarine...
  4. +10
    5 January 2024 10: 32
    Who needs such a Russian miracle for export? There are three in one: a patrol vessel, a submarine resembling a drug traffickers’ submarine, and a Marine transport.
    They would make a prototype and decide whether it is the fruit of the fevered minds of the admirals. hi
    1. +13
      5 January 2024 10: 51
      Quote: V.
      There are three in one: a patrol vessel, a submarine resembling a drug traffickers’ submarine, and a Marine transport.

      The second option will be the best selling. Drones for transporting goods to shore. Anti-tank gun and cannon - fight off the Coast Guard. Colombians will appreciate it.
      1. +9
        5 January 2024 11: 27
        That’s right, such a submarine will sink a coast guard boat in no time, the drug dealers are already happily rubbing their sweaty little hands in anticipation. I wonder who could have come up with the idea for developing such a project... request
        1. +5
          5 January 2024 11: 47
          Medellin Cartel? :)
          TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
        2. +5
          5 January 2024 12: 44
          I wonder who could have come up with the idea for developing such a project...

          Like who? “Argentinean” diplomats who were swept up with coke at the embassy.
    2. +15
      5 January 2024 10: 56
      Firstly, the admirals have nothing to do with it, and secondly, to realize the wretchedness of the concept, a prototype is not needed
      1. -2
        5 January 2024 13: 21
        Happy New Year Andrey. But the project is well-developed, as a shipbuilder I can see. This means that the Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense for the Fleet dealt with it. And the task was given to the designers by a superior with the rank of admiral, as one commentator mentioned (in the land Central Research Institute, a general). And he is given a task from the Commander-in-Chief of the Fleet.
        No one in the armed forces is engaged in gags. This is where unsuccessful projects come from
        type 22160. I don’t think anyone spoke to the authorities about the wretchedness of this underwater-surface push-pull.
        No, to rework the weapons of the same 22160 and the same large landing craft which click the first time.
        There should be an order without the SM or BUK Shell, going to sea is prohibited until they are installed. soldier
        1. +8
          5 January 2024 13: 53
          Quote: V.
          But the project is well-developed, as a shipbuilder I can see. This means that the Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense for the Fleet dealt with it. And the task was given to the designers by a superior with the rank of admiral, as one commentator mentioned (in the land Central Research Institute, a general). And he is given a task from the Commander-in-Chief of the Fleet.

          This is how it was in the USSR
          Quote: V.
          No one in the armed forces is engaged in gags.

          Alas, this is no longer the case. Since the wild 90s, when manufacturers themselves tried to interest the military with all sorts of wunderwaffles in order to get funding. This game finally got stronger under Serdyukov, who didn’t understand why there were all sorts of central research institutes, and perceived the defense industry as a trip to a boutique - they say, they offer it, and we choose, and if we don’t like it, we won’t order it
        2. 0
          5 January 2024 19: 51
          Quote: V.
          And he is given a task from the Commander-in-Chief of the Fleet.

          Well, exactly: - SOLDIERS!!! laughing
          Look at the calendar: maybe then you will understand that the Navy and the KGB are different departments! Everyone has their own “boss”, however... And it is not customary to pry into the affairs of other departments “at the top”. Even at meetings with the boss (!) Yes
          AHA.
    3. +4
      5 January 2024 12: 27
      Quote: V.
      Who needs such a Russian miracle for export? There are three in one: a patrol vessel, a submarine resembling a drug traffickers’ submarine, and a Marine transport.

      You answered yourself - except drug dealers, no one.
      Well, they have money, they will send it to the USA... A worthy response to the hegemon for the 40-fold increase in heroin production in Afghanistan after the Americans entered there with numerous accomplices.
    4. +3
      5 January 2024 19: 44
      Quote: V.
      they would make a prototype and decide whether it is the fruit of the fevered mind of the admirals.

      What do admirals have to do with it!? This is the Border Guards ordering their own wunderwaffle! The next step will be a border ICBM!!! or a border interceptor satellite... The helicopter carrier will not be ordered, the Navy will not agree, because their ass is bare: there is nothing!!! lol
  5. +8
    5 January 2024 10: 38
    It seems that submarines - aircraft and with significant artillery - were abandoned by WW2. We tried it and refused.
    Difficult, ineffective, weak.
    So it is here: light torpedoes, ATGMs and UAVs instead of normal missiles, external cannon as an option.

    It won’t catch up with the boats; it might get run over by ships, such as smugglers. Too much for the poor, and the purpose of its use is unclear. Drive completely savages?
  6. +11
    5 January 2024 10: 40
    the scarecrow effect for crows is just right
  7. -13
    5 January 2024 10: 54
    That's why they are the Western media, to criticize everything Russian. And Vaska listens and eats.
    1. +13
      5 January 2024 11: 03
      And Vaska listens, but eats.

      Yes. Budget fundsAnd he eats. For another one that has no analogues.
  8. +18
    5 January 2024 11: 05
    Rave! The whole concept is nonsense. Especially with a sail, automatic cannon, drones and torpedoes. RAVE! Whoever is pushing this into the psychiatric hospital is a woodpecker, at the expense of people’s taxes and deductions.
    I understand that they will downvote it now. But it's CRAZY!!!
    This needs to be “voiced” on April 1st!
    fellow laughing
  9. -10
    5 January 2024 11: 08
    If it is unmanned and also has a reliable connection to the coverage of ice conditions, then it will turn out to be a very good patrol boat.
  10. +3
    5 January 2024 11: 57
    “This has never happened before, and here it is again!” The concept is not new(!) and has already been practically tested in the 30s of the last century! The French distinguished themselves here by building "Surcouf"! The concept did not justify itself...But they say that the “new” is the well-forgotten “old”....reborn at the next “historical turn”! And even more so...it seems that Andryushenka Mitrofanov really dreamed of such projects! There is a reason to respect him! fellow
    1. 0
      5 January 2024 12: 03
      SURCOUF SURCOUF SURCOUF SURCOUF
  11. -2
    5 January 2024 11: 59
    There is little information, so the article is interesting, thanks to the author, however, he bent the sail
    ..An automatic cannon can be installed in the sail, which can go deep into the leading edge of the wheelhouse
    I think this means "on deck", as an option.
    In general, they write that this is an analogue of the Project 613 boat, of which 200 were riveted in the fifties, and were sent for export and sailed with us until the end of the USSR, only with a new filling. That’s good, such proven horses are also needed, of course, for example, to accompany the same traders around the Baltic, if anything
    1. +1
      5 January 2024 12: 09
      "KB Rubin implemented this idea in the concept of the BOSS submarine, intended for border service. Length 60 - 70 m plus a carrying capacity of 1000 tons.!!!
      -interesting case
      1. +2
        5 January 2024 16: 41
        I don’t understand why border guards need submarines? Can't they, if anything, call for naval reinforcements? What nonsense?
      2. 0
        5 January 2024 16: 41
        I don’t understand why border guards need submarines? Can't they, if anything, call for naval reinforcements? What nonsense?
    2. +7
      5 January 2024 12: 33
      In the West, a “sail” is the name given to the fencing of a cabin... Maybe the robot translated the article...
  12. +3
    5 January 2024 12: 06
    It would be better if they developed the concept of a mini-submarine up to 20 meters long, and with a crew of 4-6 people; in modern warfare, it is not advanced giants stuffed with technology that rule, but cheap and numerous dwarfs; the presence of several hundred mini-submarines in Russia will discourage any impudent person from hanging around nearby our territorial waters...
    1. +1
      5 January 2024 20: 03
      But what about autonomy, seaworthiness, habitability, unsinkability and fire protection!?
      You don’t know, there’s no need to fantasize about naval themes. It’s better about space battleships - anyway, no one has seen them yet and doesn’t know how it will be there... Therefore, there will be no one to object. lol
      AHA.
    2. 0
      7 January 2024 16: 15
      Quote: Max1984
      and a crew of 4-6 people,

      ===
      then unmanned ones are better
  13. +2
    5 January 2024 12: 09
    I wonder at whose expense this miracle Yudo is being designed, is it really at the expense of the company, it’s doubtful
  14. +9
    5 January 2024 12: 13
    What kind of manner is it in modern Russia to call everything in the Western manner and with imported letters? Sometimes it gets to the point of complete absurdity.....
    1. -6
      5 January 2024 12: 26
      There are at least three foreign words in your statement (manner, import, absurdity)....
      1. +8
        5 January 2024 12: 29
        Dear, I praise you for your knowledge of languages, but..... I'm talking about BOSS, CHACHMATE and so on....
        1. -1
          5 January 2024 12: 47
          Logical chain - concept, designers, customer, name, foreign word... or maybe business.
        2. 0
          5 January 2024 13: 23
          I assume that BOSS is an abbreviation, why in foreign letters? well, because the name should be clear to potential customers from abroad, the same as CHACHMATE, it’s checkmate, calling an airplane “checkmate” is just like that, CHACHMATE sounds more pleasant to the ear and is understandable to foreigners...
  15. +7
    5 January 2024 12: 42
    It seems that KB Rubin has extra financial and human resources to create such “masterpieces”. There is a proposal to reduce the company's funding by the amount of this development.
    1. +1
      5 January 2024 20: 22
      Quote from: navycat777
      There is a proposal to reduce the company's funding by the amount of this development.

      RUBIN is the main one for BOREAS and other RPK SN/APRK SN, in short - SSBN. He is part of the USC (under the supervision of VTB) and makes money himself from the design and maintenance (modernization) of his projects.
      So who are you going to “take” money from??? Who do you want to cut "funding"??? General Electric or MF-boat? which, presumably, you will hire to design the underwater element of our TRIAD of strategic nuclear forces... laughing
  16. -3
    5 January 2024 12: 45
    Quote: Foundling
    The goals and objectives for this product are not very clear. As well as application concepts. The design will definitely not be cheap, but the output will be some kind of mixer.

    You need to read it carefully, then it will be clear - for the border service
  17. -2
    5 January 2024 12: 47
    Quote: Max1984
    It would be better if they developed the concept of a mini-submarine up to 20 meters long, and with a crew of 4-6 people; in modern warfare, it is not advanced giants stuffed with technology that rule, but cheap and numerous dwarfs; the presence of several hundred mini-submarines in Russia will discourage any impudent person from hanging around nearby our territorial waters...

    You probably finished your shipbuilding in St. Petersburg or something like that?
  18. +1
    5 January 2024 12: 48
    Quote: Max1984
    There are at least three foreign words in your statement (manner, import, absurdity)....

    So he wrote them in Cyrillic, then you can
  19. 0
    5 January 2024 13: 02
    It is obvious that this project was conceived for special operations. And the basis of a special operation is surprise and secrecy. If a special operation runs into well-organized opposition, it will fail anyway. What is there to discuss? Another question is where are they going to use it?
    1. +2
      5 January 2024 20: 27
      Quote from cpls22
      It is obvious that this project was conceived for special operations.

      For special operations forces (SSO), Project 750A with LIAB in full view was developed long ago! And where GLYBOKO is - AS-31 and other relatives carry out their tasks in full.
      AHA.
      1. 0
        6 January 2024 03: 00
        Then the only option left is patrolling. Why using a submarine?
        If you do not follow the pattern of its main quality, which is stealth, then a possible reason is its maneuverability in difficult ice conditions. This option suggests a version about its use to control the Northern Sea Route.
        Only the ice and shells above the sail somehow don’t go well together.
        1. +2
          6 January 2024 03: 40
          Quote from cpls22
          its maneuverability in difficult ice conditions. This option suggests a version about its use to control the Northern Sea Route.

          ICE CLASS NKs operate in the ice. Sailing submarines in ice conditions is dangerous and contraindicated for reasons of the “tightness” of the submarine.
          1. +1
            6 January 2024 14: 35
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Sailing submarines in ice conditions is dangerous and contraindicated for reasons of the “tightness” of the submarine.

            But they swim. I've seen large "monsters" doing this breaking ice, but if you rely on surfacing in clear areas while crossing frozen areas underwater, the speed will probably be higher than controlled icebreaker convoys. Also interesting is the option of surfacing in the wake of an icebreaker. It is possible that this “project” is just a scarecrow for the Americans, who are imagining squeezing out the Northern Sea Route through non-military methods.
  20. +1
    5 January 2024 13: 03
    The foreign publication notes that BOSS is aimed primarily at the export market. The design of this submarine makes it relatively inexpensive and therefore accessible to countries with small navies.
    Only German submarines can seriously compete in this class of submarines. The functionality depends only on the customer’s requirements, and therefore the cost of the product as a whole.
    1. +2
      5 January 2024 19: 18
      In general, for, like, sabotage, and, dare I say it, pirate purposes.
      1. +1
        5 January 2024 21: 11
        Then an anaerobic power plant is the best choice, but the good old diesel + battery pair does not lose its relevance. Ideally, of course, nuclear/nuclear, but the dimensions of the boat do not allow it. Although Piranha has been successfully fulfilling its tasks for a long time
  21. -2
    5 January 2024 13: 22
    The hidden carrier of the UAV, and the rest for protection during ascent to transfer control of the UAV to an aircraft or military satellite. Or destroy trade and transport supply routes, strike commercial ports, or, if you’re lucky, hit the enemy’s naval base. There would be a boat, and there our sailors would figure out who and how much. IMHO
    1. +2
      5 January 2024 14: 01
      There would be a boat, and there our sailors will figure out who and how much. IMHO

      The boat is designed for export. Its best use is the delivery of drugs to the shores of the United States, with the unloading of a UAV. So what are your “ours”?
  22. +2
    5 January 2024 16: 25
    The sail can be equipped with an automatic cannon, which can be recessed into the leading edge of the wheelhouse to provide streamlining under water. On the bow of the hull there are two retractable quad launchers for the Kornet ATGM. They have a firing range of about 10 km and can be useful against merchant ships.
    - is this a new joke? - this is serious? What nonsense?
  23. +2
    5 January 2024 18: 48
    Somewhat reminiscent of a 19th century project...
  24. +4
    5 January 2024 23: 48
    Whose project is this anyway? Where can I look in the text? What the hell is BOSS? Authors, eh? Who presented? What kind of sharaga is "KB Rubin"? For example, on the website of JSC "CDB "Rubin" there is no information about the "BOSS" project. Well, at least I didn’t find it, which is not surprising, otherwise Gena Janissary would have turned everyone upside down for the great Russian language. Where do you even get this from? , and then in the comments people, mindlessly believing everything, are mucking each other over. Where can I look at the “BOSS” project on the website of the project’s author? The pictures were taken from somewhere.
  25. -1
    6 January 2024 01: 06
    Anti-tank systems on the stern mean that in order for the missile to be launched, it must surface. Why then did you dive?
    Not every torpedo hit will cause the enemy ship to sink to the bottom. Compare the size of the ATGM warhead and the 533 mm torpedo
  26. -1
    6 January 2024 02: 44
    What nonsense Cornet is against merchant ships. I'm not even talking about the rest. This is a dead project, just to save money.
  27. 0
    6 January 2024 08: 29
    I don’t know which border guards are planning to push it, but definitely not ours.... Our new PSKRs are naked and unarmed, their speed has been reduced and they are only good for chasing fishermen..... And this funderwaffle does not meet the goals of the border service at all. Since the main thing in our service is “not to allow border violations,” and there are certainly no requirements to drown violators..... hi
  28. +1
    6 January 2024 11: 31
    The "diving ship" is quite a timely concept. Stealth is the main trump card, as it allows you to protect yourself from anti-ship missiles and enemy drones.
  29. -1
    6 January 2024 12: 49
    This concept is only suitable for drinking. In itself, designing and creating a normal submarine is very resource-intensive and expensive, and if you also attach crutches to it, in the form of sails, guns and cornets, then even more so. There will be big problems with tightness and reliability if it is used at relatively great depths, rather than floundering at the surface. The French already had a submarine with a cannon from a battleship, and it had a logical end.
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 09: 02
      Look at the old pike projects, the gun is not closed at all and there were no leaks; it’s strange that you don’t know this and the depths were fine there
  30. BAI
    +3
    6 January 2024 16: 33
    in the BOSS submarine concept designed for border service.

    Why do border guards need a submarine?
    Next step - strategic missiles for border guards?
  31. BAI
    0
    6 January 2024 16: 34
    in the BOSS submarine concept designed for border service.

    Why do border guards need a submarine?
    Next step - strategic missiles for border guards?
  32. 0
    6 January 2024 17: 39
    On the bow of the hull there are two retractable quad launchers for the Kornet ATGM. They have a firing range of about 10 km and can be useful against merchant ships.

    Why fire an Anti-Tank Missile System at merchant ships?
    Let's start playing around with calibers right away......
  33. 0
    6 January 2024 17: 58
    As I understand it, this is some version of a “submarine boat”. However, the little ones always did everything and everywhere.
  34. +2
    6 January 2024 19: 14
    In a good way, the design bureau team, if it issues such projects, should be employed to clear snow in Siberia. As well as those who gave them the technical specifications.
    1. +1
      6 January 2024 21: 07
      But no one gave it away. Self-initiative. I want money. And there is nothing sensible to offer. But connections decide, as they say...
  35. 0
    6 January 2024 19: 29
    ...An automatic cannon can be installed in the sail... Is this what I read?
    1. 0
      6 January 2024 21: 29
      And, yes, it will be very convenient there on the bed, drinking tea with btis.
  36. 0
    6 January 2024 21: 06
    This is the perfect time for the Houthis to sink Israeli merchant ships. For Russia, a useless contraption, a coffin for the crew in combat.
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 08: 58
      Don’t tell me this is a class of light boats and they can make more noise near the shore, what do you think, coastal boats are bullshit, don’t forget that if the landing force has established itself somewhere on the shore, it will need ammunition and food, and there are also enemy boats that roam in coastal waters like this that the boat is not bad and has teeth, and you can also earn money
      1. 0
        7 January 2024 17: 13
        Yes, by the time it floats up and approaches the shore where the “landing party has established a foothold,” it will be repeatedly worked on by drones with drops and fipivi. Example Krynok to help. And this despite the fact that there are fast and maneuverable boats there, and not this trough.
  37. +2
    6 January 2024 23: 04
    But Western partners criticize all our weapons until they really show their teeth on Western technology. It is quite possible that this project can be used on border waters.
  38. +1
    7 January 2024 02: 45
    With the development of technology, it would be better if Lyra was resurrected
  39. kig
    0
    7 January 2024 03: 35
    An automatic cannon can be installed in the sail

    I understand that this is a machine translation, but you need to at least have a minimal idea of ​​what we are talking about. The term sail = sail in relation to a submarine means only the fencing of the conning tower. We will not go into further details; the author only had to highlight an incomprehensible term with an attentive eye and think about it - where does the sail come from on a submarine?
  40. -1
    7 January 2024 06: 37
    At the stern you need to place five motorcycles with machine guns and dogs!
  41. +1
    7 January 2024 08: 51
    It seems like the bourgeoisie were speechless when a huge part of the market was taken away from them thanks to these boats, but the armament can be adjusted, and the expert probably had this boat in his Adam’s apple, so he immediately concocted an article about maneuverability, the question is raised, how does he know what kind of maneuverability there will probably be? I determined from the picture that the weapons for landing and defense are even decent, you just need to add something else light in the form of air defense and there will be a super new type of submarine-surface boats, this is an intermediate link
  42. 0
    7 January 2024 09: 35
    For a long time I’ve been thinking about this topic: we need a diving clipper that can get away from anti-ship missiles underwater and fire calibers or anti-ship missiles in response!
  43. 0
    8 January 2024 00: 07
    What is the concept for using this submarine? Or another “there are no analogues” and the budget is cut?
  44. 0
    9 January 2024 06: 15
    They don’t even think about it, so they can’t even go into battle with it.