F-22 from production to service

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[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Workers in the workshop are dressed as they please. It's funny, however.

[APASUS]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

Workers in the workshop are dressed as they please. It's funny, however.

It looks like there are two packages of photos from the assembly stand and the second of the pre-flight hangar at the military base.
I don’t think that when assembling the aircraft, missiles are suspended on it as in the photo.
And the uncle with a hammer and a screwdriver is most likely a military man - it’s easier with their heads !!!

[Reddragon]

Quote: APASUS

The second of the pre-flight hangar at the military base.

It’s necessary to conduct tests somewhere

[FID]

Quote: RedDragoN

It’s necessary to conduct tests somewhere

Aircraft fly around at the factory, at the flight test station.

[Denzel13]

All the same, "high technologies" cannot do without a hammer.

[FID]

Quote: APASUS

It looks like there are two packages of photos from the assembly stand and the second of the pre-flight hangar at the military base.
I don’t think that when assembling the aircraft, missiles are suspended on it as in the photo.
And the uncle with a hammer and a screwdriver is most likely a military man - it’s easier with their heads !!!

Preflight hangar - there is no such thing. The technical and operational part is likely. But you are absolutely right - it is TWO sets of photos. There are no gunsmiths at the assembly plant. This is a special unit of LIS.

[Alexander Romanov]

The question is how old photos from the factory, Fu 22 seem not to be released yet.

[FID]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The question is how old photos from the factory, Fu 22 seem not to be released yet.

Hello, Sasha! Officially, the Raptor was produced from 1997 to 2011. In 2011, the release was officially discontinued. In total, 195 cars were produced, of which serial - 187.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: SSI

In 2011, the release was officially discontinued

Hello, Sergey. It is clear that now the power of F 35 will be allowed, but there are also problems with those.

[Krasnodar]

Now it’s clear why there are problems with the plane - post-assembly chisel processing is not automated!

[urchik]

TU-160 would work there with full ammunition!

[Axel]

Quote: urchik

TU-160 would work there with full ammunition!

The TU-160 will not even reach there, the air defense will not let it be shot down over the ocean.

[FID]

You understand a lot! The launch range of the Kyrgyz Republic is about 3000-3500. I found air defense ...

[Zopuhhh]

We will fly, everything that is needed and where it is needed - we are not near Ukraine, which sawed these planes ...

[kotdavin4i]

Beautiful photos, smiled when a hammer on a screwdriver, as in an anegdote about a Soviet fighter "and at the end process with a file." Moreover, in one photo there is an interesting moment, the flame from the wing knocks out upwards, who will explain I will be grateful.

[Papakiko]

Quote: kotdavin4i

the moment the flame knocks up from the wing,

Test for random operation of the propulsion engine in a rocket. (Fire tests)
No less curious from what influences are large deformations of the wings?
Many thanks to the administration for the material, you can still want more.

[Carat_36]

First I decided that this version with vertical take-off and landing, I did not know about such tests, thanks for the info)

[Tourist Breakfast]

No less curious from what influences are large deformations of the wings?

This does not seem to be deformation, but some kind of protective coating. In the photo, his technicians are just taking off.

[Locksmith]

Quote: kotdavin4i

the flame knocks up from the wing

auxiliary power unit works

[Axel]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Beautiful photos, smiled when a hammer on a screwdriver, as in an anegdote about a Soviet fighter "and at the end process with a file." Moreover, in one photo there is an interesting moment, the flame from the wing knocks out upwards, who will explain I will be grateful.

This phenomenon is called Surging engine, the photo shows the operation of the compressor bypass valve

[Eraser]

Yes, even the air intakes are closed there, and people are standing behind, what is the surge of an inoperative engine? The locksmith wrote, this is an auxiliary power unit.

[FID]

APU and flame are incompatible. This is a test of unauthorized launch of a rocket propulsion engine. So that the flame from the rocket engine does not burn the plane, there are special flame taps. They are tested.

[Director]

This is a test of unauthorized launch of a rocket propulsion engine.
And it seems to me when starting in normal mode, this shutter opens because the rocket is launched at an angle to the body of the aircraft without a catalult.

[Eraser]

No, this is the APU Allied Signal g-250 a 450 hp turbine engine
In this section of the fuselage, it is drawn in dark blue by the auxilary power unit

[Axel]

Quote: Axel

This phenomenon is called surging engine, in the photo the compressor bypass valve

The photo didn’t look at this surge significantly, and came, through this hatch a flare from a launching rocket, test the flame bends about it
FID wrote.

[Nester]

And I really like their production culture. Everything is very clean, light, neat.

[NickitaDembelnulsa]

So it is with us as well. If the workshop is unclean, and the planes stop flying. Everything is interconnected.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

We would have such clean and well-groomed factories.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

We would have such clean and well-groomed factories

Our what we do not like is purely light

[Waroc]

We have a production culture at assembly sites. Believe me! Do not confuse the production of pots and aircraft - and the product and production conditions are different)))

[edeligor]

Work in the workshop on assembly and maintenance on the base (according to our heat energy supply) is shown. Oh god They also have a SMG group !!! (those who know will understand!)

[fern]

Someone who knows will explain what is happening on the 8th photo? What kind of spikes from the earth? I apologize for illiteracy, if that

[FID]

This is the so-called "anechoic" chamber. It tests locators, homing heads, etc. These are not thorns, they are radio-absorbing pyramids.

[fern]

All is clear, thank you

[Nester]

Work out the possibility of landing on the surface of an unexplored planet inhabited by undemocratic aliens))). But seriously, this photo was also of interest. Something related to acoustics comes to mind, but why is it for an airplane? Knowledgeable, please enlighten.

[FID]

If there was a larger photograph, for sure, such pyramids would be visible on the walls. They are needed to suppress the radio echo from close surfaces - floor and walls. In flight, even at low altitude, there are no reflective surfaces so close. For testing locators, homing heads, etc. and anechoic chambers are needed.

[in reserve]

Anechoic chamber

[VoStattik]

It was interesting to see how the enemy form rivets.

[Storm]

Yeah! This is a fighter! Russia to such a level as to China cancer! Like a snail to the moon! Here are the technology and accuracy. The given characteristics of the predator are probably underestimated. He will show everything that he is capable of only if he is face to face with the enemy in a real battle. And I would not want to be in the cockpit of that fighter who dares to engage in battle with him!

[edeligor]

I would not like to upset you, but there is nothing transcendent in what is shown in these pictures. In some matters, the same US to Russia, as you have expressed, cancer to China. And about air combat, in this criterion 50% of the success falls on the shoulders of the pilot. And who has a thin gut .... he can only admire the wonders of the technology of a potential enemy.

[VoStattik]

The Russian PAK-FA is already superior to the raptor in a number of the most important characteristics - speed, flight range, carrying capacity, maneuverability. It is also superior to the heavy fighter Su-35.

[Atrix]

Maybe yes, maybe no. Let's start with the fact that the F-22 is not supplied to other countries, does not participate in exhibitions in other countries and its TX is classified, everything that is written is the speculation of the so-called "experts" The same can be said about the T50, but here it is even worse yet ready and the serial sample may differ in TX from the conceived. You can only compare if there are real battles of F22 against T50, and everything else is spherical horse in vacuum And you also need to consider that the first F22 flight in 1997 was a long time ago and the T50 should have advantages in development.

[karbofos]

with f-18, the amers, too, seemed to be keeping secret and wrote that he was the best, but training fights in the sky of India showed that this was far from the case. We are waiting for training fights SU-35 vs F-22

[VoStattik]

! "his TX is classified" - Americans just never hide the characteristics of their aircraft.
You can also compare performance characteristics without the results of battles - for example, range, number of loaded weapons, speed, maneuverability, EPR.
And to suspect everyone that they overstate or underestimate the performance characteristics is, I'm sorry, already paranoia.
"and the T50 should have advantages in development" - you are absolutely right, the PAK-FA has advantages in development - even in its "raw" form, a number of its important parameters are higher than that of the F-22.

[Scorpio 83]

F-22 - the plane is invisible, therefore it is not visible at exhibitions and other places

[karbofos]

moreover, the Yankers themselves admit this, but some would like to believe that whatever is better than ours

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Storm

Yeah! This is a fighter! Russia to such a level as to China cancer!

And Lvov, with his grief "patriots" and eternity will not be enough, and will watch as Russia puts on the wing of the T 50 and saliva from envy.
Listen, I have a modelka, f 22 - you buy, I’ll sell you a leshevka. G *** but it’s not a pity

[Storm]

Put it on the wing first, then we'll see. There, if I’m not mistaken, 3 PAK FA but on all three there is only one tail. And as for the model, do not worry, I have a great Predator model!

[FID]

There, if I’m not mistaken, 3 PAK FA but on all three there is only one tail.



Well, not three, but five. By the end of the year, ten will be tested. Yes, and the tail unit from them ... they took it out of the "rear" from you.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Storm

Put it on the wing first, then we'll see.

Well, I think even the last Russophobe has no doubt that we will put on the wing and in the Air Force.

Quote: Storm

. And as for the model, do not worry, I have a great Predator model!

Someone puts new 5th generation aircraft on the wing, and some model girls are assembling Your country, when will you give an example to a patriot?

[Denzel13]

Why do you write "predator" in Russian? You, however, offend the producer and the "most democratic" tolerant country. They will not give you a visa, I generally keep quiet about the "green card".

[Carat_36]

We will introduce into serial production the T-50, an aircraft that will protect a peaceful sky. But your raptors, which were not created for protection, can now fly to our S-300 and other air defense systems, we will meet as is customary in Russia. Yes, it’s only for the raptors to fly for a long time and even if they are refueled with cola on the road ... the F-35s that they want to sell to the NATO will not be at hand soon ... Well, there, as they appear, we can already meet with our squadrons of aircraft 5 generation)

[Axel]

Quote: Karat_36

We will introduce into serial production the T-50, an aircraft that will protect a peaceful sky. But your raptors, which were not created for protection, can now fly to our S-300 and other air defense systems, we will meet as is customary in Russia. Yes, it’s only for the raptors to fly for a long time and even if they are refueled with cola on the road ... the F-35s that they want to sell to the NATO will not be at hand soon ... Well, there, as they appear, we can already meet with our squadrons of aircraft 5 generation)

C300 has already proved its effectiveness in Belarus when soft toys poured from the sky.

[Storm]

Enter when they become obsolete, exactly as happened with the T-90. Now that they understood this, they rushed at Armata and other nonsense

[Avenger711]

In fact, aircraft assembly shops look similar in our country. But, apparently, dirt and desolation are already everywhere in Ukraine, which you have already forgotten, which can be somehow different.

[Corsair]

And so it is! And in general, for starters, let them put things in order at home (and in their minds too) and then come down with comments.

[Denzel13]

Quote: Storm

And I wouldn’t want to be in the cockpit of that fighter

And no one will let you into the cockpit of any fighter, even "they" and even taking into account that you are singing praises to what you have a very vague notion about.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Storm

The given characteristics of the predator are probably underestimated. He will show everything that he is capable of only if he is face to face with the enemy in a real battle.

Americans NEVER underestimate performance. To overestimate is any number. For the simple reason that this is a GOODS to SELL, while beating competitors

[polly]

Well, there are disappointments in life ...

[polly]

Well, there are disappointments in life ...

[karbofos]

it would not be bad to see your delighted face when this bucket in your house works out. you will die happy.

[Mik rybalko]

RAPTOR is not a bad car in general, but not without flaws. The level of technology is beyond the limits, but there is information that there are big problems with corrosion in the elements of the airframe. Another thing is that HE is the only 5th generation aircraft built in series. With what to compare the rest then 4 + ...

[dmn2]

If he is so cool, then why did the Americans at the Red Flag exercises, outright losing training battles to the Indian SU-30MKI in their F-15s and F-16s, not put up a Raptor against them? After all, these exercises were held at the Americans at home, where their rivals do not have the infrastructure and facilities for studying the Raptor's character - so they should not be afraid to "light up" the work of avionics for their opponents. But the Americans silently swallowed this defeat, even though everyone knows that Americans never like to lose. So, they were afraid to crap with the F-22 - then it would certainly not have been washed out of shame. There are other assumptions ?!

[FID]

And it can’t be.

[Ascetic]

FID,

Greetings Sergey! I'm not special on airplanes. But I think so - the F-22 was developed for two purposes - stealth and afterburner. Invisibility is zilch, and afterburner is also some dubious achievement. For the actual performance of combat missions. That's why for advertising F-22 all possible show-offs are used. Instead of his real achievements. For to use it in battle is too expensive - even by the hour of flight. Even in the video compared to the larger SU-35 (after all, drying is bigger and harder if I’m not mistaken), it looks less maneuverable and more heavy,

[FID]

Greetings, Stanislav! It was planned that this would be a 5th generation aircraft: subtle, supersonic without afterburner, weapons all inside. But, as usual with the Americans, the project is constantly becoming more expensive. Therefore, they did not bring to a final mind, they left for F-35 part of the developments. But even that didn’t turn out very well ... The Raptor has quite a few operating restrictions, most likely, therefore, they did not arrange demonstration fights. An expensive toy and I do not think it is very effective. Something like that, I think.

[Gemar]

Quote: dmn2

Are there any other assumptions ?!

+ + +
My personal assumption is that the Americans created the Raptor from the calculation - one in the field is not a warrior. In order for the Raptor to complete the task, he needs the rambling from AWACS / IJIS, the minimum probability of approaching the enemy and the long-range missile with the AGS along the entire trajectory. Then he really surpasses the F-15 and F-16 in terms of performance due to less visibility. From the very beginning, the Americans did not intend to make it an independent combat unit, such as the Su-30 \ 35. It’s like in football: so the F-22 is an obvious striker, the defensive work of the defenders, the creative work of the midfielders is necessary for his result, and he, like a banal striker, only completes the attack at high speed, avoiding a direct collision. But the Su-30 \ 35 and T-50, it seems to me, are multifunctional midfielders who can take away the ball and pass the exact pass, and score if necessary.
In general, I can hardly believe that one on one (without the help of AWACS) the Su-35 will in some way give way to the F-22.

[916-th]

Gamar: It's like in football:

Who are the judges? Judge on the soap!

[916-th]

dmn2: Are there any other assumptions ?!

But what about:
The elusively invisible F-22 "Raptor" flew over the prairie ... Further in the text of the anecdote.

[Scorpio 83]

in Iraq, predators showed how they attack face to face, but for some reason, after the early destruction of air defense systems and the pilots somehow didn’t take root in a dream, but the skin begins to rot .. it’s better we will accelerate slowly than fly so! our 4 ++ is much better

[APASUS]

Quote: Storm

Russia to such a level as to China cancer! Like a snail to the moon! Here are the technology and accuracy. The given characteristics of the predator are probably underestimated.

You have a strange idea about production in Russia !!!
We get it like Popua- New Guinea - just got off the banana palm !!
And the Americans do not buy engines for rockets from us, do not use our spaceships?

[stranik72]

Well, embarrassed, it's time to come up with something new to come up with a culture of production of aviation equipment at Russian enterprises is not worse, look in the internet for photos of our manufacturing plants, (the keyword of manufacturers). Don't even dream about "understating the characteristics" by amers, they have a tendency to overestimate, they are trying to sell it all, but without deception it is difficult. So the characteristics are the point of advertising. And do not worry, you will not be in the cockpit of the fighter, either from one side or the other, because sensible people are allowed there, and you did not show yourself like that on this site.

[916-th]

Storm: ... I would not want to end up in the cockpit of that fighter who dares to engage in battle with him!

And in the cockpit of which fighter would you like to be?
And would like, in general, to be in the cockpit of a fighter?
Maybe confine yourself to a "workplace" near the computer?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Storm

Russia to such a level as to China cancer!

The assembly of aircraft in Russia and the USA is not particularly different, in fact, manual work. Here is a photo from KNAPO just a different angle, also clean.

[FID]

Sorry, pay attention, at our factory aircraft are in two rows, the middle is free. Ready aircraft, from any slipway, can be rolled out to the LIS. In the pictures from the States - aircraft one by one. Let's say how to roll out the third, if you count from the photographer? I think this is a fundamental difference.

[Ustin]

Good day, Sergey! Airplanes being assembled here, in particular in this picture, are "herringbone" - more "we remove" from a unit area, less we drive a car, the whole assembly and testing process takes place in one place, just before transferring to the LIS, we build "with "to the" curtain "for finishing operations. Before 30 years ago it was like the Americans (see. Photo), but this is irrational.

[FID]

I welcome you, Ustin (I apologize for using my nickname, the name is not indicated in the profile)! How are things at work? Go our tortured products failures (KSU, BINS)? Unfortunately, our suppliers have already gotten it out frankly. I hope this year will be better.

[Ustin]

Good day, Sergey! Last year, we drew an approximate schedule for the kits - we got out by joint efforts, at least at the limit, but came out. By the way, the KSU "accrues" fewer failures, but I really changed the processing technology a little (redistributed the volumes between the assembly and the Fox by loading the assembly) , well, I will not say anything for SINS, I know your problems, we discussed together. God forbid, we will break through this year too. Good luck!

[Ustin]

This is not Komsomolsk, but Irkutsk, but in principle there is no difference.

[arnulla]

Yes, you will not find yourself in the cockpit of a fighter ... Neither one nor the other))) Trolls do not fly, especially thick ones ...

[Axel]

Quote: Storm

Yeah! This is a fighter! Russia to such a level as to China cancer! Like a snail to the moon! Here are the technology and accuracy. The given characteristics of the predator are probably underestimated. He will show everything that he is capable of only if he is face to face with the enemy in a real battle. And I would not want to be in the cockpit of that fighter who dares to engage in battle with him!

When the T-50 goes into the series in the USA, the 6th generation will be in service.

[11 black]

Quote: Storm

Yeah! This is a fighter! Russia to such a level as to China cancer! Like a snail to the moon! Here are the technology and accuracy. The given characteristics of the predator are probably underestimated. He will show everything that he is capable of only if he is face to face with the enemy in a real battle. And I would not want to be in the cockpit of that fighter who dares to engage in battle with him!

And I would fight with him in the cockpit of this fighter ...

PS take a look at these photos and you can get foam out of your mouth

[Director]

Well you and a coward damn

[ksan]

Storm (1) UA January 26, 2013 11:57

Yeah! This is a fighter! Russia to such a level as to China cancer! Like a snail to the moon! Here are the technology and accuracy. The given characteristics of the predator are probably underestimated. He will show everything that he is capable of only if he is face to face with the enemy in a real battle. And I would not want to be in the cockpit of that fighter who dares to engage in battle with him!

Come on! Are you serious or patriots of Russia "poddet"? And I would not envy that American on "Raptor" who will meet with such a pilot as from "Falcons of Russia", "Russian Knights" or "Swifts" And it is unlikely that amer "Raptor" will save

[Nester]

Well, no one makes you sit in the cockpit of the fighter. In a mess, you can serve your fatherland in a different way: "Grandfather, is it true that you shot down a German fighter? Well, you didn't shoot down, let's just say - you didn't refuel ..."

[Storm]

I didn’t have to sit in the cockpit, but I loaded and loaded 152 mm shells when it was necessary to smash the invaders. Even wrote on one thing for the recipients of this gift)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Storm

but 152 mm shells were fed and loaded when it was necessary to smash the invaders.

This is where and what occupants smashed?

[Botanologist]

where and what occupants did you smuggle?

I suspect that in Georgia. There a lot of uniforms from the bushes jumped.

[Storm]

08.08.08 with known events

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Storm

08.08.08 with known events

They smashed well, threw all the equipment and draped all the way to Tbilisi. Did you get the medal, did you work as a loader for free?

[Scorpio 83]

Well done! A true patriot of the "policeman" movement

[Gemar]

Quote: Storm

I didn’t have to sit in the cockpit, but I loaded and loaded 152 mm shells when it was necessary to smash the invaders.

You are lying! It is unlikely that such a projectile would have lifted - the navel would have unleashed!

Quote: Storm

Even wrote on one

Smashed the "invaders" with fantasy? And probably not written, but painted - a star ... yes six-pointed.

[Storm]

And I didn’t say that I lifted them with my bare hands

[Corsair]

It is these warriors who are needed to support democracy

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Gamar

It is unlikely that such a projectile would have lifted - the navel would have unleashed!

Professional loader will lift, many years of training

[Waroc]

Stupid, huh?
That is, you honestly admitted that the saying - give it, bring it, go ... not far, take it away - about you !!!

[Lee]

Quote: Storm

I didn’t have to sit in the cockpit, but I loaded and loaded 152 mm shells when it was necessary to smash the invaders. Even wrote on one thing for the recipients of this gift)))

... and what did they tell him?
- Gut, Waldemar, gut! ...

[Axel]

Quote: Nester

"Grandfather, is it true that you shot down a German fighter? Well, you didn't shoot down, let's just say - you didn't refuel ..."

Grandfather yak beer? It’s a little sour, it’s not necessary to take Berlin Bulo, I would have infected bovarska dust!

[Storm]

I'm sorry to climb into your clean and purely patriotic worldview with dirty boots, but if you please tell me how many T-50s and Su-35s Russia has in service? Against more than 180 Repeaters?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Storm

Sorry

Even so

Quote: Storm

but if you please inform me how many T-50 and Su-35 are in service with Russia? Against more than 180 Repeaters?

Not many yet, but so far !!! There is only one problem, do you think that during the war of Russia with the USA, Ukraine will be on the side of the Raptors? Nude nude

[Storm]

That's it for now! Americans will put the next generation on the wing

[Zopuhhh]

And do not specify how many of the F-22 flies? Maybe patriotic propaganda is lying to me, but you have a direct channel of the most truthful information ...))

[Gagarin]

At the 5th, the tails fall off, what will happen at the 6th?

[VoStattik]

You still boast the length and thickness of the genitals, there will be a complete picture! )))
Yes, the US has more money, more planes.
But America did not experience collapse, did not have two wars on its territory, did not print unsecured candy wrappers in place of money - and yet managed to develop and put on the wing aircraft better than the Fu-22.
Well, AGAINST the raptors, Russia has the WORLD's BEST air defense systems - S-300, S-400, Buki, Torah, and others.
Draw conclusions.

[Axel]

Quote: VoStattik

But America did not experience collapse, did not have two wars on its territory, did not print unsecured candy wrappers in place of money - and yet managed to develop and put on the wing aircraft better than the Fu-22.
Well, AGAINST the raptors, Russia has the WORLD's BEST air defense systems - S-300, S-400, Buki, Torah, and others.
Draw conclusions.

It was not necessary for the USSR to feed the half of the world and to build socialism in Africa and in other countries, we would live no worse than America!

[Gagarin]

We work in this direction. Prepare for the winter!

[Corsair]

And the best pilots, not Ukrainian "gaskets between the steering wheel and seat"

[karbofos]

Against more than 180 rEptors, we have s-300, s-400 further down the list

[Storm]

And against your S-300 and S-400, America F-35 Lightning has, have not forgotten?

[Scorpio 83]

While the S-300, S-400 are at the F-35 post, believe me, it’s not close Of all previous flights of Amer’s stealth, the enemy’s air defense was destroyed in advance, otherwise the story with F-117

[silver_roman]

interesting ... but how will lightning fight a s-300 or s-400 ???
there will be only one image and a frightening image in the eyes of the recent, to destroy air defense of such a level !!!
if lightning destroys ours with 300, then we will throw lightings with felt boots and caps

[Denzel13]

Quote: Storm

Against more than 180 Repeaters?

According to estimates by Norton Schwartz, Chief of the General Staff of the United States Air Force, only 60% of the life cycle of an F-22 fighter can fulfill the tasks assigned to it, and due to this circumstance there are fears that an insufficient number of fighters can fly into the air at the right time of this type. The total number of combat-ready F-22s in the US Air Force is currently about 60 aircraft.

PS Every third does not fly, apparently

[Denzel13]

Sorry one of three flies.

[edeligor]

We don't go into all the holes around the world. We don't need so many planes! We are self-sufficient, do you understand what I mean? And you tell me, please, how many countries are capable of producing a 5th generation fighter? And as a country that was destroyed and against which the whole "world" was friends, she was able to get up from her knees and forced to respect herself.

[barmaley]

Honor, how fluffy you are.
http://vitki.org/2012/11/21/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%
B8%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B8/

[Durant]

Oh, thanks, otherwise I already thought all the greatest dumbness on this Internet I have already seen.

[silver_roman]

article sucked out of the "finger". all speculation on some assumptions, "if suddenly", "then", etc ...
I especially liked the tablet, where the United States and the geyropa are poor and unhappy, and the USSR is so horrified on the wings of the night with huge incomes ....

[Dr.M.]

Quote: SSI

If there was a larger photograph, for sure, such pyramids would be visible on the walls. They are needed to suppress the radio echo from close surfaces - floor and walls. In flight, even at low altitude, there are no reflective surfaces so close. For testing locators, homing heads, etc. and anechoic chambers are needed.

This photo shows tests in the radar signature reasoning. it's "invisible". issues of antenna measurements (radars) are solved (in radio anechoic chambers) before they are put into the product, at specialized stands (near-field measuring systems, amplitude-phase measuring stands) with subsequent numerical reconstruction of the field geometry in the far zone. In Russia, such is done for example http://trimcom.ru
put them in NIIIP them. Tikhomirova and much more, for example, a large horizontal scanner in Krasnoyarsk for ISS recently.
Read more about near-field scanners with various kinematic scanning schemes here:
http://www.nearfield.com/products/NearFieldSystems.aspx

And those pyramids, respectively, are again not the ones that are needed for anechoic electromagnetic chambers for antenna measurements. For radar visibility and electromagnetic compatibility and, as it were, the same ones in terms of reflection coefficient are worse enough.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

but if you please inform me how many T-50 and Su-35 are in service with Russia? Against more than 180 Repeaters?

How much can you say, the Raptors will not reach Russia until they are based only in the USA :-)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Dr.M.

How much can you say, the Raptors will not reach Russia until they are based only in the USA :-)

1. I did not say that!
2.F 22 are on Okinawa

[Dr.M.]

on Okinawa, they travel shortly in the year and against China.

[FID]

Quote: Dr.M.

on Okinawa, they travel shortly in the year and against China.

Not for long ... and who will decide this? And China borders on the Russian Federation. And if you use the airfields of Japan for a jump, then Khabarovsk and all of Sakhalin are under attack ...

[Demon_Ex]

Perhaps, but in vain the Triumphs pulled on the Kuril Islands? According to rumors, the Iskaders can still bring. Again going to restore anti-ship missile batteries.

[Demon_Ex]

Not anymore. As soon as the year will be, they were returned to Alaska. NOT justified trust. Against our electronic warfare systems, their super-duper locators are not working. It was checked by Far Eastern Fighter pilots in conjunction with ground-based electronic warfare equipment. The 5th Air Army said goodbye to the Raptor and F-16, they were driven to re-equipment.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Dr.M.

How much can you say, the Raptors will not reach Russia until they are based only in the USA

And it depends on the power of the warhead, which will explode next to them. It may fly (what remains)

[Denzel13]

Oh submariner business says - he knows that.

[polly]

Well, there are disappointments in life ...

[polly]

There are sorrows in life ...

[Dr.M.]

This is not a S-400. The S-400 was never shown in parades. Pictures on TV are not true :-) I'm not kidding. And the machine on the photo is certainly not a "complex" (S-400, for example), but just a PU (launcher).

[polly]

Put another picture, the meaning will remain the same: for every poison there is an antidote, and for Raptor there is a Grumble!

[Zomanus]

Beautiful photos. You can see how much their production process is automated and thought out. And involuntarily, you begin to respect those specialists who collect such machines. And FSUs are American or Russian.

[Lakkuchu]

Thanks for the stuff. I agree that the production culture is at its best, however, I did not expect anything else. I recall the Rostov Helicopter Plant, where I did not have to work long in the army, then I was also amazed at the cleanliness in the workshop, where I suppose the helicopters were finally assembled, but this was in 1990, now I don’t know how it is with this business.

[Waroc]

In 2006-2007 it was also))) I think now it is no worse!

[Mik rybalko]

What does everyone praise the production culture ?? In the photo something similar to handicraft production. Workers without special clothing, there are no signs of highly technological assembly equipment.

[Scorpio 83]

I look at the latest photos and see high technology - however, you need to turn on the computer to pump up the tires!

[Van]

Quote: Scorpio 83

I look at the latest photos and see high technology - however, you need to turn on the computer to pump up the tires!

Yeah, along the way, they even need a computer to turn on their brains.

[916-th]

I would like to see the opinion of competent forum users about the fundamental differences in the assembly technology between them and ours. Judging by the photo, do they have a conveyor belt? Do we have stocks?

Something like a SWOT analysis - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and risks of each approach.

[FID]

I have already described the differences in production once. Yes, we have assembly in stocks. The slipway assumes the assembly of the aircraft from scratch to COMPLETE readiness. Including the development of hydraulic systems, landing gear retraction systems, etc. The conveyor method involves the movement of "semi-finished products" from place to place, i.e. moving rather weighty (at the end of assembly) loads. Assembly, most often modular, large modules are transferred to the final assembly shop as soon as they are ready. The plane is brought to readiness somewhere else. Who knows which method is better. But here, an aircraft from the assembly shop can take off (not from the shop itself, of course, but from the LIS). This is from the time of the Second World War - straight from the shop - into battle. Something like this, I think.

[Armata]

Quote: SSI

Once I have already described the differences in production. Yes, we have an assembly in stocks.

Sergei, how is the assembly on the slipway I personally saw. But how can a plane be put on a conveyor and dragged around the workshop? Either the skis do not go, or I am poor.

[Dr.M.]

I also did not immediately see. on one of the pictures you can see the wheels of all these structures under the plane. otherwise it is difficult to line up.

[FID]

Zhen, hi! Try to imagine that you need to roll out the third plane, if you count from the photographer. How will they do it? Here, the assembly line. The first is rolled out, the second is rolled in its place, then the third .... From the slipways, you understand, they are rolled out from any place!

[Armata]

Quote: SSI

Zhen, hi!

I categorically welcome .

Quote: SSI

Here, the assembly line. The first is rolled out, the second is rolled in its place, then the third ..

So it’s not effective. And if the stopper with the front happens, the whole production will rise.

[FID]

Vaunted technologies. "Effective ..." constantly say that the local production technologies are better, that they have to adopt ... And I am more impressed by the slipway.

[Corsair]

Different approaches to the assembly technology, traditions can be said. Amer, for example, collect their booster rockets in an upright position, then transport it to the launch pad in the same way. With us, S.P. Korolev adopted a horizontal method of assembly and transportation RN to the start.

[Ustin]

Guys bring clarity. And we and they have a conveyor, only the variety is different. They have st moves from one workstation to another. We have a "station" moving towards the plane. Each case has its own pros and cons. In our case, it is more convenient to roll out the car, there are better opportunities for increasing the output, as well as reducing it and launching a new product, but it is inconvenient to constantly “roll” the KPA and other equipment.

[igor67]

FID,
Hi Sergey, we installed front chassis on our machines, and to the last assembly line, the turntables were rolled on the front chassis, after the final assembly they were rolled out onto the LIS, and then KIS

[FID]

The turntables have no wings; the goat blades were hung in the LIS. They take up less space.

[igor67]

FID,
When they collected mi6 there, I even collected and set times,

[igor67]

igor67,
I wanted to add that on the website many times I posted photos of assembly aircraft workshops, so I had the opinion that they are all the same, apparently the same standard, that we have at the enterprise, that at others,

[Ustin]

Usually a slipway on rails.

[Papakiko]

You claim that our product is assembled purely specifically in one place practically from an aluminum roll and sets from different profiles with the help of patterns and scissors with hammers?
Since the time of FORD, the whole world has been polished with appropriate quality on conveyor principles.
We are the only "foolish" ones who make products that have no analogues every time, right?
Huge assembly buildings are needed for the assembly line, in our country this is a problem !!!
Climate-1, Lack of resources-2
And most importantly, 3. With our approach, you can arrange the assembly of cars in any "shed" (more or less large hangar).
This is in case of war (Save and forbid Perun-Vele-Ra-lord from such a thing, they have already been worn out over the past 100 years.)
Our answer to "Chamberlain" is always CHEAP AND ANGRY.
Elements are brought to the slipway from different workshops and sections and collected.
Therefore, there are no large differences in quality with slipways or conveyor assemblies, but the speed and mass are behind the conveyor.

In this dog rummaged

[FID]

Quote: Papakiko

You claim that our product is assembled purely specifically in one place practically from an aluminum roll and sets from different profiles with the help of patterns and scissors with hammers?

Sets of patterns and scissors - this is in other workshops. The wings, parts of the fuselage, etc. are made in special workshops, then everything is transferred to the final assembly workshop (usually this is workshop No. 7, why I don’t know). Stapeli - in the final assembly workshop.

[Papakiko]

Correctly! Dyuzhe +
The main reason is that we have a slipway and the USA has a conveyor belt?

[FID]

From the shop - into battle. Something like that, I think.

[Armata]

Quote: SSI

From the shop - into battle. Something like this, I think

Sergey, I think that the reason here is that in Russia we have an optimization of the process and logistics in a slightly different way, unlike the Yankees.

[FID]

It could even be.

[igor67]

FID,
And we had an assembly workshop 10, and 7 radio workshop

[FID]

Helicopter, maybe that's why? I can at each factory in my own way ....

[Dr.M.]

where did you see the conveyor? 0_o

[916-th]

The first difference between the conveyor and the stock that comes to mind is what moves and what remains in place:

1) With the conveyor, the product moves, and specialists with their workplaces and equipment remain in place.
2) On the slipways, the products, on the contrary, remain in place, and specialist assemblers with their equipment move from the slipway to the slipway.

The question arises, which is more rational?

[Dr.M.]

they seem to be moving and products and collectors

[FID]

Indeed, it seems like that.

[Aaron Zawi]

FID
Thank you very much for the comment, it is from you and several other forum users that it is worth staying here.

[FID]

Always glad if I help to understand something.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

The production culture is amazing.

[Dr.M.]

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/26954/

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/25863/

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/18546/

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/4691/

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/17327/

[Ustin]

You can learn from us the culture of production. I saw nothing new, a typical assembly process. The anechoic chamber is unusual, but it is rather not a camera, but a polygon.

[Svetovid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2BQL_mCpRo

[Svetovid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2BQL_mCpRo

flight F-22 Raptors Trailing two KC-135 and KC-10 tankers flying over the island of Sardinia, Italy, on their way back to the USA.

In South Korea

[Svetovid]

In South Korea

how much is there?

In South Korea

[Svetovid]

In South Korea

[forma2]

If that correct.
Fu22 was created to gain dominance in the sky and SU-shki judging by the number of versions are differently targeted.
The difference in tactics of their application:
Fu 22 was developed in the direction of "Invisible" - I fly imperceptibly, detect the enemy, launch a rocket and fly off to lunch, the question of maneuverability began to be considered after opening the super maneuverability of the SU-shki.
For SU-shki, the general staff has developed only one tactic of application: throw it on the theater of war and get out as you know, and it’s better to simply cover the pilot with a pilot’s obscenity, a kind of coding device :)).

[Rus2012]

Quote: dmn2

Are there any other assumptions ?!

...there is!
Until now, the defect of "strangulation" of the F22 pilot in flight has not been completely eliminated. Kiavayut at the oxygen generator. More precisely, the reason has not yet been established. Therefore, they treat with caution above 7 thousand.
Pilots are outraged and refuse to fly to guarantee the elimination of this troubles ...

[master_rem]

Quote: Storm

Storm (1)

leafing through leafing posts - nna! -45! you're sick, dude, stuck