In the Western blogosphere, information about the liberation of the Russian Armed Forces of Marinka caused irritation and despondency

Official information about the liberation of Marinka by Russian troops is also being disseminated in the foreign press and blogosphere. Despite the fact that in fact several dugouts and houses remained under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Marinka, the Western media did not want to admit the obvious - the loss of control by the Kyiv regime over this Donbass city. Today the situation has begun to change.

European public pages began to publish not only footage from the meeting of the Russian President with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, but also Ukrainian maps, which indicate that Russian troops are moving towards the Tsentralnaya street in the village of Georgievka. This is a village that actually adjoins Maryinka, being located a few hundred meters from the Maryinka dam.

The Ukrainian army is building defense lines in Georgievka, trying to delay the advance of the Russian Armed Forces. The approximate lines of defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in this village are indicated in yellow.

At the same time, our troops may well create an additional problem for the enemy: for example, move west to the south, along the N-18 road, which, bypassing Georgievka and Maksimilyanovka, leads to the city of Kurakhovo - the next major logistics and military hub of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. On a fragment of the map, this option for the further offensive of the Russian army is indicated by red question marks.

Western experts believe that this option is quite possible, since to the south of this road there are vast uninhabited territories (agricultural lands), where maintaining a defense is extremely problematic.

Western users, commenting on the situation with the liberation of Marinka by Russian troops, write that “this is a blow to the Ukrainian Armed Forces” and “further proof that without Western financial and military assistance, Ukrainian troops are not capable of long-term resistance.” In general, irritation and despondency reign in the Western blogosphere regarding the taking of Marinka by Russian troops.

A few comments from German and British public pages on military topics:

The Russians took Marinka. Suddenly? For those who are not following the situation - yes. In general, no. But it's disappointing.

Ukrainian troops lost control of Marinka. And it was one of the most fortified cities. What's next?

Millions of ammunition are needed, the Ukrainian army needs to be replenished with motivated and trained fighters, otherwise Maryinka will only be the first bell. But where to get millions of shells and motivated fighters after the failure of the counteroffensive?

To say that this is annoying is to say nothing. 100 billion euros to Kyiv - and now we learn from Shoigu that the Russians have taken Marinka.

Comments

[Vladlous]

Yes, most of these bloggers from the Western segment of the Internet do not know where this Marinka is located. They don’t even really understand where Kyiv or even Ukraine is. The main thing for them is that Russians are killed. It doesn’t matter where. That's all you need to know about them.

[Plate]

I think they don't care whether Russians are killed or not. They optimize their actions according to another parameter. Their task is to maximize their well-being.

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: Plate

Their task is to maximize their well-being.

It just turns out exactly the opposite.

[Plate]

So far everything seems to be working out as it should. At least no one in the West is suffering serious damage from all this.

[Sergeantpro]

Do you really think so?
The war in 404 acts as an excellent catalyst for the crisis in Europe. Try (not in ours) in the Western press to see what losses the economies of countries are suffering, withdrawing billions from budgets in conditions of economic, energy and political crises.
Once again: not in our press, but in the Western press. Even they, with an unprecedented level of censorship, have enough materials to draw the right conclusions.

[Plate]

Quote: Sergeantpro

Do you really think so?

I think they are driving all this from the USA.

Quote: Sergeantpro

The war in 404 acts as an excellent catalyst for the crisis in Europe.

And the USA has only advantages from the war in 404.
The last time I was in the Western press (though its Russian-language segment), I listened to Deutsche Welle’s apocalyptic forecast on what would happen if Russia won, and was satisfied with that. I don’t think that there could be a serious drop in the standard of living there, even for the ordinary population, and if someone writes that there is, I won’t believe it, since even here in Russia I haven’t become worse off in 2 years of SVO (of course, obviously The slight increase, coupled with generally small demands in life, had an impact, but still).

[Sergeantpro]

Those. did you choose DW as your only source of information and were inspired? I congratulate you.
As for whether it has become worse for ordinary people in Europe - yes. The above crises stacked together are aggravated by the withdrawal of money from budgets and social programs, production support programs and a drop in the level of investment.
Try to find among your friends those who currently live in Europe and you will be very surprised when you have a heart-to-heart talk with them. I have enough contacts with people living (former classmates and colleagues) in seemingly the most prosperous countries in Europe and the USA. Even in America the situation is not changing for the better; it is inconvenient to even talk about Europe. In Europe, even 10 years ago, it was not very comfortable for the common man to live, when before my eyes people were dragging themselves from paycheck to paycheck, getting into loans up to their necks.
You, like many in Russia, perceive Europe as a country of rainbow ponies. It's time to become an adult.

[Plate]

Quote: Sergeantpro

Those. did you choose DW as your only source of information and were inspired? I congratulate you.

Quite the contrary. Didn't get it. Otherwise it would be useful to study further.

Quote: Sergeantpro

Try to find among your friends those who currently live in Europe

It will be a little difficult. Everyone I’ve met in my life and about whom I know at least something (and if I don’t know, it’s unlikely that I’ll be able to communicate with them) lives in Russia. Well, I guess my peers simply didn’t have time to leave here yet. I'm under 30.

Quote: Sergeantpro

In Europe, even 10 years ago, it was not very comfortable for the average person to live, when before my eyes people were dragging themselves from paycheck to paycheck, getting into loans up to their necks.

Is this in Europe? Well, okay, let me clarify, Western Europe: Germany, France, all sorts of things, Scandinavia.

Quote: Sergeantpro

You, like many in Russia, perceive Europe as a country of rainbow ponies.

It is clear that everywhere has its problems. There are no problems only in the DPRK. But should welfare in developed countries be worse than in developing Russia? Haha, well no.

You know, I tried to study this issue using statistics. According to it, life in Russia, for example, is better than in Vietnam. And then one acquaintance went there and came with the words “Vietnam - socialism - wow! We need the same thing” (and I generally thought that there was capitalism there). And I realized that in order to absolutely accurately compare the standard of living, you need to live in the places you are comparing. And if the topic does come up, then all that remains is to rely on stereotypes.

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: Plate

Well, okay, let me clarify, Western Europe: Germany, France, all sorts of things, Scandinavia.

It is in Western Europe: in Germany, Holland, France, Italy...

Quote: Plate

And then one acquaintance went there and came with the words “Vietnam - socialism - in! We need the same thing”

Thanks, laughed.
Do not confuse tourism with emigration (C)

[expert]

I am writing as an “everyman from Europe.” Specifically, Germany.
EVERYTHING has gone up in price. The cost of purchasing food for the week has almost doubled. My wife and I live together in an apartment of 92 m². This month we received an additional payment for utilities for 2022 of about 900 euros. This takes into account the fact that we practically do not use heating. The cost of a liter of diesel fuel (I have diesel) has recently been 162-170 cents per liter, and this is relatively cheap. Previously it reached 220. Starting from the new year, an additional number will be introduced. fuel tax, regardless of the price of a liter, plus 8 cents. This is how we “defeat Russia”.

[Reklastik]

As for whether it has become worse for ordinary people in Europe - yes.

- data?

Try to find among your friends those who currently live in Europe and you will be very surprised when you have a heart-to-heart talk with them.

- I have. They don’t care, at least for those who have lived and worked in Germany and the Netherlands for over 10 years. They do not notice any decline in living standards. They wash well and don't freeze in winter. Most likely, 7 people is not an indicator, I would like statistics, not surveys, for all segments of the population, and with whom I spoke - people who stand confidently on their feet and are not in poverty.

[K9_SWAT]

Do they really give a fuck? Maybe they're lying? They can’t admit that they made a mistake by leaving Russia? Many people will live in crap, but they will assure everyone that they live super!

[Reklastik]

Are they all lying at once?

They can’t admit that they made a mistake by leaving Russia?

- Not all. Whoever found himself there certainly did not make a mistake. Andrey Game has no regrets and is not going back, but Artyom Oganov is back - to each his own.

Many people will live in crap, but they will assure everyone that they live super!

- not many. As the Germans say: if you think the whole world is crap, stay at home.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Plate

I don’t think that there could be a serious drop in the standard of living there, even for the ordinary population, and if someone writes that there is, I won’t believe it, since even here in Russia I haven’t gotten any worse off in 2 years of SVO

I am originally from Eastern Kazakhstan. At the time of the collapse of the Union, almost all Volga Germans lived there, resettled there in the 40s. When, in the early 90s, the Great Exodus from Kazakhstan took place and I ended up in Russia, all of them, their entire families, moved to Germany. I have dozens of childhood friends, classmates, and fellow students living in Germany, and a few in Belgium, Denmark, Northern Italy or Cyprus. At the beginning of the 20s, when social networks developed, we were all “found” on Facebook, Odnoklassniki and VKontakte and since then we have been in close contact, even meeting, I went to visit Europe, they came for graduation anniversaries. So I can judge the dynamics of the life of European citizens over the past XNUMX years. At the beginning of the XNUMXs everything was very rosy! None of them worked for large corporations, all were small entrepreneurs or, as they would say now, self-employed. Some had their own family restaurant, some had “their own” roof repair company, where he and a friend were the owners and patched these roofs themselves, some sold used cars to the former Soviet Union, some owned a roadside hotel. .. All of them were well-fed, satisfied burghers, with a house on a mortgage, a couple of German cars and a vacation in Spain or Greece... Everyone lived an order of magnitude better than most Russians then... I won’t bore you with the dynamics, I’ll tell you what’s happening now. And now it’s complete Oops! Half of the businesses went bankrupt. No one could bear the new payments for utilities. The rest have been mortgaged/remortgaged. The situation is similar with houses. Everything is in credits. They work for debts. And the way they work is that they only survive due to subsidies. If the state stops covering subsidies, everyone will face a collapse. And then there’s wild competition from local Turks and Arabs! Two even (one from Greece, the other from Cyprus) moved to Russia. And about half of them stopped communicating on the Internet, which suggests that things are even worse for them - usually people tend to embellish everything and brag, “keep up the brand”...
So in Europe, at the level of the average person, now everything is not very rosy. An ordinary German lives better than an ordinary Russian, but much worse than he lived 20 years ago. And when you think the glass is half full or half empty... look at the dynamics - the glass is filling or emptying. That's the only thing that matters!
Sorry for the many books...

[Siberia55]

And where from Eastern Kazakhstan? I worked there in a mine in the early 90s

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Siberia55

And where from Eastern Kazakhstan? I worked there in a mine in the early 90s

Semipalatinsk Old, original Semipalatinsk, and not this new devastated Semey...

[Siberia55]

Ust-Kamenogorsk.
Not Oskemen

[Plate]

Mnogabukaf says goodbye.

Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

a couple of German cars and a vacation in Spain or Greece...

There really are legends about an annual vacation in the south without straining your budget.
Where are the legends about the complete oops? No, they appear, of course, but immediately a crowd of refuted people swoops in, which has not yet been observed in the case of legends about annual leave.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Plate

There really are legends about an annual vacation in the south without straining your budget.

What do legends have to do with it? Since the late 90s, I have been spending every vacation in the south, without much strain on my budget. At the beginning it was Turkey\Egypt\Tunisia, then it became Greece\Spain\Thailand. There have been problems for the last couple of years, of course, since I had a holiday in Dominica in February 2021, I haven’t traveled abroad again. But Crimea and Sochi are also the south!
And I’m not some kind of oligarch or even a businessman. I'm a simple Russian engineer! A mining specialist by training, a surveyor by profession. I’ve just been working hard all my life on the northern construction sites of capitalism!
Without any legends...

[Russian]

A small increase, is it a 30-40% price increase?
Yes, indeed, quite small. It’s not like you can buy an apartment or a normal car now. Chinese @avno costs from 2 million rubles

[isv000]

Quote: Plate

So far everything seems to be working out as it should. At least no one in the West is suffering serious damage from all this.

Recently, another pipe-rolling plant in Nemetchin collapsed. The new 25 unemployed Deutschs marched with a fecal (torch) procession.
Previously, we bought pipes from Germany, but now, the poor Germans - go to Vyksa!!!

[Sergey-ADE2]

Yes, you are right, the Western elites do not experience any particular damage. SIEMENS moved its business to China, where they are building a plant in 3 shifts 24/7, 2 of the largest factories for the production of seamless pipes have closed (by the way, they lived very well from orders from Russia), etc. Especially a lot can be gleaned from the information in the Journal of the European Economic Association (its articles can also be found in Russian), and the icing on the cake: Member of the Economic Council under the German Cabinet of Ministers Monika Schnitzer in an interview with the Rheinische Post “Special events require special measures. A possible response to This challenge could be a Ukraine solidarity surcharge on the income tax on military aid," she said.

[Leontrotsky]

Really?)) Their GDP became negative. Inflation jumped from 10% in Great Britain to 20% in the Balts. Housing and communal services costs increased. Gas costs rose from $350 per thousand cubic meters to $500-550. Production from Germany is moving to the States and China. And the Macrons and Scholz themselves have said more than once that their countries have entered a difficult period.

[Andrey Gurenkov]

I read some article, in my opinion, even from this site, that Western countries at least did not lose anything in this war: the Netherlands, Canada, Great Britain, and Poland and the USA even won. The only one who lost well was Germany.

[Vinogradsky]

Canada and Australia clearly won, but the Britons, Netherlands and Poles did not. And what have the Poles won since they are protesting against the dumping of domestic goods? Doesn't really look like a win.

[Andrey Gurenkov]

Well, for example, the Poles weakened Russia no matter how you look at it, without using a regular army.

[volgast1970]

The USA does not need competitors, especially Germany!

[Dizel200]

No, one does not interfere with the other. Everything is going well; they will lose money because the Slavs will cut each other; if they don’t cut money, they will squeeze out money on orders. If only we could live to see the Germans slaughter the Saxons, or vice versa, and we would just as cynically argue whether or not they took Baden Baden

[Plate]

Quote: Dizel200

No, one does not interfere with the other.

No, it doesn't interfere.

Quote: Dizel200

they will lose money and the Slavs will kill each other

And what is the benefit? I don’t think anyone can want to cut someone just for the sake of cutting them. Well, if he's not crazy.

Quote: Dizel200

If only we could live to see the Germans slaughter the Saxons, or vice versa, and we would just as cynically argue whether or not they took Baden Baden

I would like to. We could make money on arms sales for both sides, we could try to export specialists and technologies... But, unfortunately, the Russian government in this regard has at all times demonstrated the most disgusting honesty, because of which it will not be possible to organize this.

[isv000]

Quote: Dizel200

No, one does not interfere with the other. Everything is going well; they will lose money because the Slavs will cut each other; if they don’t cut money, they will squeeze out money on orders. If only we could live to see the Germans slaughter the Saxons, or vice versa, and we would just as cynically argue whether or not they took Baden Baden

Fedya! This is not our method!

[Plate]

The experience of Western countries shows that this is a very effective method. Isn’t it worth adopting everything that is effective?

[Stinging Nettle]

The main thing for them is that Russians are killed.

Well, these are other countries, with their own interests. It is strange to expect foreign countries to pity and protect our soldiers. What do you want from them, to worry about Russians as if they were themselves? They are strangers, they should not love us.
Our leadership must think about ensuring that more Russians survive, so that fewer of our soldiers die. Our leadership must think about how to destroy logistics, how to provide our fighters with communications and drones, aviation and artillery support.

[Old-timer]

And the main thing for us is that they are killed, and more of them. Let them send a couple of gay pride parades to the forefront - everyone will benefit. Let the Germans send the Jews with the Turks - there is no need to burn anyone in the ovens again. Run away yourself - who will survive?
While there was Jewish “peace” throughout the world, everyone spread their fingers. And bankers and fakirs with shawarmen. Especially when seven are not afraid of one thing until they get the worst of it. Let them try now. Ukraine is waiting for everyone today. And these are not all further changes.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

history doesn't teach anyone or anything

[Thrifty]

We don’t care what they write there? People are fighting not for the Western man in the street, but for the future of their lands. There has been no sense in the information in the European media for a long time, it’s all lies and slander against our army!

[Sergeantpro]

Well, in general terms, it is also necessary to know what they write in the Western press in order to have at least a vague idea of ​​the processes taking place there. Cutting yourself off completely from information from there is not a very smart move.

[Stinging Nettle]

for the future of their lands

What future? What does this future look like?

[Old-timer]

Any future is possible. Now it is being decided what it will be. The riddle is never rich.

[Volunteer Marek]

I am satisfied with the despondency and irritation of the “Western blogosphere”.

[Montezuma]

Let’s hope that this state of the “Western blogosphere” (and not only the blogosphere, but also the leadership of the participating countries), through the efforts of the RF Armed Forces, will become steadily familiar. The sooner the ukroreich turns into a suitcase without a handle for them, the better.

[kakvastam]

Several comments from German and British public pages

The main leitmotif of all these comments is that without the help of the West, the Western puppet will collapse.
So there will be help.

[km-21]

The scale of the front's movement is so insignificant that it can be considered marking time. The despondency of the West over the lack of success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is most likely an imitation with the aim of preparing another provocation. It seems that Russia is being persuaded to negotiate a freeze on hostilities.

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: kakvastam

without Western help, the Western puppet will collapse.

It will collapse even with Western help. It’s just that these cries allow us to at least somehow maintain the dwindling flow of money [in aid 404] into the pockets of individual politicians in the West.

[Team]

It's good, of course, that they took it...

But here it is

Western users, commenting on the situation with the liberation of Marinka by Russian troops, write that “this is a blow to the Ukrainian Armed Forces” and “further proof that without Western financial and military assistance, Ukrainian troops are not capable of long-term resistance.”

What does long term mean? Did our people get there without long battles and without losses?? Or is this already in western Ukraine somewhere??
Again we present what we want as reality...

[Incvizitor]

In Novomikhailovka today pig farmers are beating.

[polynet]

Quote: Plate

So far everything seems to be working out as it should. At least no one in the West is suffering serious damage from all this.

yeah, yeah, no damage

Three days before Christmas, the German concern BASF announced the sale of its subsidiary Wintershall Dea, the largest energy company in Germany. The buyer was the British concern Harbor Energy.
The total value of the company's assets transferred to the British will be $11,2 billion. This amount also includes $4,9 billion in bonds that will be transferred to the buyer at closing.
The new owners announced their refusal to maintain the company's representative offices in Kassel and Hamburg, which means the closure of offices in these cities and the loss of jobs for 850 employees of the energy company. However, some employees will continue their work at Harbor Energy. In general, Wintershall Dea branches will be restructured and closed. The deal will be finalized by the end of 2024.
Thus, as a result of Berlin’s anti-Russian policy aimed at refusing to purchase gas from the Russian Federation, Germany has lost a leading specialized company that existed since the century before last.

[Sergeantpro]

Do not prevent a person from being ignorant))

[Stark]

and Ataman Zenem’s lads will start to run away
Russia is putting pressure on this, we'll take Maryinka, we'll take Avdeevka, etc. ...Then the Khokhlosaks front will start to collapse. Mr. Zelensky has no gold, everything is for himself.

And everything starts to collapse stupidly, naturally, to the roar of our art on a white field

[tkoh]

Reading the news, one gets the impression that, at a minimum, Kharkov was liberated.

[Uprun]

Everything has its time and turn, and it will come to Odessa, and to Kharkov.... I’m satisfied with the whining of the cipota, but I don’t care about Western bloggers.

[Revolver]

I don't know in which blogosphere they dug up this disappointment. On Foxnews.com there has been nothing, not even a word, about 404, much less Maryinka, for the last couple of days. Mostly news about Christmas, the upcoming New Year, sports, and crime news - where would we be without it at any time of year. Of the international news, only Israel is on the main page, and even then it's at the bottom and not in large print. On Reddit, the most popular question is "What are you doing here this Christmas?"

[tolmachiev51]

There were times when people were surprised by the links of "beloved" Psaki to YouTube. Things went further, now incomprehensible bloggers make the weather on the Internet!!! People who do not understand anything at all in the situation for them the main thing is monetization, i.e. they give out information that people eat up.

[sgr291158]

One hundred billion simply disappeared and this is the main sadness for them.

[Ivanov IV]

“They are trying to build lines of defense”????
But ours couldn’t preventively treat the areas of these borders? What's stopping you?
Today we were pushed out of Marinka... Tomorrow we will have to push long and hard from other “frontiers”. Why did our people manage to bury the Germans in WWII before they took up a shovel???
The guys will have to conquer these “new” frontiers with their own blood.
Question:
So who is creating this situation? Maybe it's time to put some people up against the wall?