Moscow “lost to Finland” long ago – when it left Porkkala-Udd

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Moscow “lost to Finland” long ago – when it left Porkkala-Udd


How excited the Finnish guys were


Today, Finland not only regularly and consistently closes its borders with Russia, allegedly due to the flow of migrants, but is also actively developing military cooperation with the United States. This, of course, is completely legal and is directly related to Suomi’s recent accession to NATO.



And this creates a very real threat to Russia’s military security along the entire length of the vast Russian-Finnish border. Only its land part, as is known, reaches almost 1 km.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the other day that Russia will soon form two new military districts due to Finland’s entry into NATO and in connection with the upcoming entry of Sweden into the alliance - “these are the Leningrad and Moscow districts.”

The minister clarified in this regard that the agreement signed between the United States and Finland (December 18, 2023 – Author’s note) is also taken into account, providing for “the use by the Americans of 21 Finnish military facilities, including all four air bases.”

Announce the entire list...


So, the Pentagon envisages the use of fifteen Finnish military bases, facilities and warehouses, including for the deployment of US troops, weapons and military equipment. The US military will be able to use four air bases in the city of Kuopio, located 158 km from the border with Russian Karelia.

In addition, NATO will have facilities in polar Rovaniemi, in Tampere in the south-west of the country near the north-Baltic coast, and in Jyväskylä, which is 202 km from the Leningrad region.

The North Atlantic Alliance will also have at its disposal the Finnish naval base in Upinniemi on the Gulf of Finland west of Helsinki.

In addition, the US military will be able to use the border guard base in the polar Ivalo, located only 39 km from the Murmansk region.

And also according to the list - military warehouses in Parkano, Rovajärvi, Skinnarvik, Tammela in southwestern Finland; Tervola in the north of the country (near the junction of the borders of the Russian Federation, Suomi and Norway) and Veitsiluoto on the northern coast of the Gulf of Bothnia (northern Baltic).

Along with the above, the Pentagon will have three Finnish military training grounds at its full disposal. It is also important that the Pentagon will be able to conduct exercises in Finland.

That is, almost all of Finland is now involved in the US military orbit. And this, we repeat, is an immediate threat to Russia.

Didn't remember everything


It is characteristic that in a number of Finnish media, from mid-2022, they began to increasingly recall the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939–1940, which is more often called the Winter War. Noting that then Suomi lost its eastern regions and was defeated due to the lack of allies.


That is why, they say, the current, increasingly tense Finnish-Russian relations require external support from Finland, which is realized by its recent accession to NATO and military partnership with the United States. In this regard, Yle Helsinki notes that

“With the help of an agreement with the United States, the parties will strengthen cooperation within NATO.”

Military cooperation with the Pentagon will “improve the country’s security.” And it turns out

“American troops have been training in Finland almost without interruption for more than a year.”

So we can quite agree with the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova:

“Exactly what we warned about is happening. Now control of Northern Europe actually passes to Washington.”

There is, in her words, “a rapid military development of the territories of Finland and Sweden by the NATO bloc, although Sweden has not even joined the alliance yet.”

Zakharova clarified that thanks to the military agreement between Washington and Helsinki, the Americans receive “maximum access to military facilities in Finland.” Moreover, they will have “unlimited opportunities to use them for their own purposes. But these goals will not coincide with the interests of the people of Finland.”

But residents and their political preferences, as the reality of the third millennium has convincingly shown, can be easily manipulated. And in this regard, it is worth recalling that near the mentioned naval base in Upinniemi, which the United States can now use, was located in 1946–1955. The Soviet Navy base leased by the USSR is in Porkkala Udd.


But the lease, we recall, was terminated by the Khrushchev leadership 40 years before its expiration. By all indications, Moscow was then absolutely sure that Finland would never be involved in NATO.

Well, after the collapse of the USSR, such confidence, or rather self-confidence, turned out to be illusory, as in many other respects.
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  1. +24
    27 December 2023 03: 41
    Well, after the collapse of the USSR, such confidence, or rather self-confidence, turned out to be illusory

    Well, this was only after the collapse, but at one time the USSR normally used Finland in its own interests, traded, etc. For such a fruitful relationship, it was necessary to leave that base (which, quite reasonably, was not considered so important in strategic terms). But modern figures have left everywhere and without any benefit for the state, without hints of interaction in the future...
    1. +8
      27 December 2023 04: 46
      Quote: Doccor18
      modern figures have left everywhere and without any benefit

      These gestures of "goodwill" come at a very high cost....
      1. +13
        27 December 2023 07: 26
        It’s good to blame Khrushchev now... And if you remember the spring and summer of 2014?
        1. +28
          27 December 2023 09: 27
          Moscow “lost to Finland” long ago – when it left Porkkala-Udd

          Well, no matter what, everywhere among the “new White Guards” the USSR is to blame. laughing laughing laughing although there has been no Soviet power for 32 years.
          Let me remind you that the USSR 32 years after 1917 in 1949, for example:
          1. Conducted Industrialization.
          2. Won in the Second World War.
          3. Created nuclear weapons.
          4. And he had half of Europe as his allies.
          1. +18
            27 December 2023 10: 17
            Quote: Civil
            Let me remind you that the USSR 32 years after 1917...

            Oh, when was this, who remembers it now..? wassat
            But everyone knows about galoshes winked
            1. +7
              27 December 2023 19: 57
              By the way, where do we buy galoshes now? This is not an idle question for the village.
              1. 0
                30 December 2023 22: 29
                Hm. I recently bought galoshes for the garden without any problems in the store
                1. 0
                  1 January 2024 19: 43
                  Victor! I readily believe that you buy galoshes in a store, I’m wondering where the store buys them, in Russia or they are now being produced in another country.
          2. +7
            27 December 2023 15: 27
            but under the indestructible Guarantor, Russia from 2000 to 2023 somehow mastered the production of needles and nails, it seems that our senator was worried about them, that we don’t know how to make them, but we buy them.
            I answer - we know how to do it!!11
            Anyone can fly into space, but not everyone can do needles and nails (c) a phrase from Zheglov and Sharapov is paraphrased.
            1. +8
              27 December 2023 16: 56
              I won’t say anything about nails, but the needles are definitely Chinese.
              1. +6
                27 December 2023 18: 03
                Quote: acetophenon
                I won’t say anything about nails, but the needles are definitely Chinese.

                They (needles) simply did not fit into the “market”. What kind of fat from the needles? laughing
          3. +2
            27 December 2023 16: 47
            “Allies” seems to be too strong a word. laughing
          4. +5
            27 December 2023 17: 22
            Well, I wouldn’t call the satellites (who were loyal only as long as they had Soviet tanks in their cities) allies, but the rest is true.
          5. +2
            27 December 2023 19: 58
            Allies half of Europe is already funny. It’s like the allies fled at the first opportunity
            1. 0
              28 December 2023 10: 58
              Quote: sergey_vakk
              Allies half of Europe is already funny. It’s like the allies fled at the first opportunity

              At the first sign of a return to the kings, they fled. "New Whites" in their repertoire.
          6. -7
            28 December 2023 11: 11
            1. Conducted Industrialization.
            2. Won in the Second World War.

            At the cost of enormous human sacrifices and the cost of such an organization of life that is effective over short distances, but then the country falls apart.
            1. +2
              28 December 2023 12: 30
              Without industrialization, there would have been a complete defeat of the USSR in the Second World War, and there would have been disproportionately more casualties. Therefore, the choice was not between good and bad, but between bad and complete destruction.
      2. 0
        28 December 2023 19: 06
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Doccor18
        modern figures have left everywhere and without any benefit

        These gestures of "goodwill" come at a very high cost....

        That’s not the point. We all had normal relations, until some people started beating and threatening us. Naturally, everyone began to look warily at such an inadequate neighbor.
    2. +2
      27 December 2023 21: 02
      Quote: Doccor18
      But modern figures have left everywhere and without any benefit for the state, without hints of interaction in the future...

      You don't understand, this is different. They were DECEPTED! Yes
      KICKED!!! bully
      They were happy to be deceived, but NOT GUILTY. stop No.
      They are still like Rafig (neuvynoven).
      The galoshes are just too much for them... but they can't live without them.
      A barrel of jam, a basket of cookies - they sit, eat and rejoice.
  2. +21
    27 December 2023 04: 41
    If Khrushch had not surrendered, Marked or Alkash would have surrendered. All the leaders regularly have the need to make a “gesture of goodwill”, but why waste territories and bases? By the way, mark my words, the time will come when they will regret Damansky here too, if by that time VO still remains.
    And the fact that the Finns and Swedes rushed to join NATO is due to the fact that temporary difficulties with carrying out the SVO took too much time. If, as planned, there had already been a parade of the Russian Armed Forces in Lvov in the spring, the former neutrals would have remained silent in the rags of neutrality.
    1. +17
      27 December 2023 05: 12
      If Khrushch had not surrendered, Marked or Alkash would have surrendered. All senior leaders regularly have the need to make a “gesture of goodwill”

      The current Kremlin inmates also have a mania for doing good deeds that are not in favor of the state. And regularly.
      1. -20
        27 December 2023 07: 59
        Putin is my president!

        Quote: Dimy4
        The current Kremlin inmates also have a mania for doing good deeds that are not in favor of the state. And regularly.

        Growth of Russian territories under Putin:
        + Abkhazia;
        + S. Ossetia;
        + Crimea;
        + Donetsk;
        + Lugansk;
        + Kherson;
        + Zaporozhye.
        + “Odessa is a Russian city and a little Jewish”...

        What Kremlin “inmates” are you talking about? About Medvedev, who gave fishing places to the Swedes?

        ps
        Amendments made to the Constitution, at the suggestion of Putin:

        Constitution of the Russian Federation. Art. 67.
        clause 2.1. The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states), directed to the alienation of parts of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed.

        And as a consequence of the change in Art. Constitution, amendments were made to - Criminal Code Article 280.2. Violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation

        Alienation of a part of the territory of the Russian Federation or other actions (except for the delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the State Border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, in the absence of signs of crimes provided for by Articles 278, 279 and 280.1 of this Code - shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of six to ten years.
        1. +11
          27 December 2023 10: 51
          What is Abkhazia's advantage?
          An annexed territory should not protest against the transfer of an object on its territory to Russia (see news for today) if it is actually annexed and not as it is now: 90% of the population have Russian passports, but do not consider themselves citizens of Russia in full
        2. +2
          27 December 2023 14: 57
          The GDP gave so much land to the Chinese that its area is the same as three Crimea, so under 67 Art. it falls easily and simply...Where did you get Odessa from?) what a nightmare...and another moment...all the territories you listed are, to put it mildly, problematic...in which you will have to pump in so much money that you could fill the whole country roll them into marble....and you still need to hold them, taking them can be easier than holding them, dear you are our patriot in quotes.
        3. +2
          27 December 2023 20: 03
          And why did they surrender Kherson, where is Zaporozhye? And the territories of the DPR have been liberated. I can ask a more difficult question.
        4. +4
          27 December 2023 22: 56
          S. Ossetia was part of the Russian Federation from the beginning. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are recognized by the Russian Federation as independent states; they are not part of the Russian Federation. Although, of course, they are under our de facto protectorate. South Ossetia wants to join the Russian Federation, while Abkhazia wants to remain a separate state, allied to Russia.
        5. +3
          29 December 2023 07: 41
          Quote: Boris55
          Putin is my president!

          Quote: Dimy4
          The current Kremlin inmates also have a mania for doing good deeds that are not in favor of the state. And regularly.

          Growth of Russian territories under Putin:
          + Abkhazia;
          + S. Ossetia;
          + Crimea;
          + Donetsk;
          + Lugansk;
          + Kherson;
          + Zaporozhye.
          + “Odessa is a Russian city and a little Jewish”...

          What Kremlin “inmates” are you talking about? About Medvedev, who gave fishing places to the Swedes?

          ps
          Amendments made to the Constitution, at the suggestion of Putin:

          Constitution of the Russian Federation. Art. 67.
          clause 2.1. The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states), directed to the alienation of parts of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions are not allowed.

          And as a consequence of the change in Art. Constitution, amendments were made to - Criminal Code Article 280.2. Violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation

          Alienation of a part of the territory of the Russian Federation or other actions (except for the delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the State Border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, in the absence of signs of crimes provided for by Articles 278, 279 and 280.1 of this Code - shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of six to ten years.

          Listen, Boris, we have so much undeveloped land, why do you need extra? Where are you going to grow next? Haven’t you fought yet? I remember after the start of WWII everyone was fixated on the Dardanelles. How did it all end?
    2. GGV
      +15
      27 December 2023 16: 49
      I checked your comment: Russia transferred -2005 sq. km in 337. The area of ​​the Crimea Peninsula is 27000 sq. km. So how many “Crimeas” did Russia give up? And yes, I am against the transfer of any land, but I don’t like it even more when they lie shamelessly
      1. +2
        3 January 2024 12: 04
        Territories were transferred not only in 2005.
        1. 1991-1998: about 600 small islands + 10 km² of land territory of Russia - China
        2. 1995: 15 km² of Russia to China
        3. 2005: 337 km² of Russia to China
        4. 2010: 1 km², 480 km² and 2 km² of Russia to Azerbaijan
        5. 2013: 30 km² of Russia to Azerbaijan
        6. 2010: 87 km² area of ​​Russia - Norway
    3. +11
      27 December 2023 16: 54
      Quote: Nagan
      If Khrushch had not surrendered, Marked or Alkash would have surrendered. All the chiefs regularly have the need to make a “gesture of goodwill,” but why waste territories and bases?

      What a gesture of goodwill. The base at Porkkala Udd made sense when the only means of fighting ships was artillery. Then yes - two bases on two banks covered the CMAP and locked the FZ.
      But with the advent of the anti-ship missile system, the need to maintain a base on the other side of the Federal Zone disappeared - now the entire throat of the bay was shot through from the territory of the USSR. But problems with the isolated base remained - from political ones with the Finns to purely technical and logistical ones.
      And yes, now there is something to regret about what was lost. Or does anyone think that in the conditions of the collapse of the USSR, Russia would be able to maintain this base? At best, it would be another Sevastopol, the retention of which became possible only with the reunification of Crimea. Finland would also become reunite?
      I’m afraid that if we had a base on Finnish territory, the Finns would have applied to NATO even earlier.
    4. +5
      27 December 2023 17: 52
      they will also regret Damansky here
      Things are not simple with this former island. Traditionally, the border on the border river runs along the fairway, but with the Chinese the border ran along their bank in accordance with a once-concluded treaty. And with good neighborly relations, no one cared. However, when this relationship ended, the Chinese decided to de facto establish a border along the fairway (probably Mao was solving his internal problems with the help of an external enemy). So the fighting began in Ussuri in 1969. Later, with the help of constructed dams, they actually made Damansky not an island, but a peninsula. Well, they fixed it de jure.
    5. -4
      27 December 2023 21: 24
      Quote: Nagan
      If, as planned, there had already been a parade of the Russian Armed Forces in Lvov in the spring, the former neutrals would have remained silent in the rags of neutrality.

      If parades were really planned in Lvov and Kyiv, they would have assembled a group of at least 400-500 thousand bayonets, and not 100 thousand combined troops... and about 60 thousand mobilized corps of Donbass.
      The SVO is going according to plan. Not for the sake of victory or results, but for the sake of the Northern Military District - when the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are counted every day. Today the boys proclaimed “Ukrainians” as RUSSIANS. Truth cried out through the lips of babes...
      But everything is going according to plan.
      The knight is invincible. He was simply deceived - thrown away. But for the sake of the “Beautiful Lady” he is not ready for that.
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      2. 0
        29 December 2023 07: 48
        Quote: bayard
        Quote: Nagan
        If, as planned, there had already been a parade of the Russian Armed Forces in Lvov in the spring, the former neutrals would have remained silent in the rags of neutrality.

        If parades were really planned in Lvov and Kyiv, they would have assembled a group of at least 400-500 thousand bayonets, and not 100 thousand combined troops... and about 60 thousand mobilized corps of Donbass.
        The SVO is going according to plan. Not for the sake of victory or results, but for the sake of the Northern Military District - when the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are counted every day. Today the boys proclaimed “Ukrainians” as RUSSIANS. Truth cried out through the lips of babes...
        But everything is going according to plan.
        The knight is invincible. He was simply deceived - thrown away. But for the sake of the “Beautiful Lady” he is not ready for that.

        What 500 thousand, what are you talking about? At the time of the start of Barbarossa, the size of the entire Russian army was less than a million. Now subtract from this number the Air Force, Navy, Army and others. Don’t forget to leave something to cover the borders. Plus there is a contingent in Syria
        1. 0
          29 December 2023 10: 33
          Quote from Kartograph
          At the time of the start of Barbarossa, the size of the entire Russian army was less than a million. Now subtract from this number the Air Force, Navy, Syas and others

          The number of ground forces of the RF Armed Forces was 280 thousand + Airborne Forces - 50 thousand + MP Navy - about 20 thousand (they say 17 thousand). The point is that for 8 years, while the LDPR held the front and gained time, the towers they didn’t bother to prepare ground forces of any sizeable size. But the Russian Guard had a staff of 350 thousand. So they pulled 100 thousand of the combined army from this scarcity, and the Donbass corps mobilized on an emergency basis gave 60 thousand per round. It was with this “horde” that they started the SVO. Although they knew about the planned offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Donbass almost a year before it began, scheduled for the first days of March 2022. In March 2021, DPR intelligence obtained the laptop of a staff colonel during a large exercise of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to practice this operation. With all operational plans.
          And for a whole year the knights did not itch. And only when, from the beginning of January 2022, the cities of Donbass began to be shelled in a constant mode and with increasing intensity... the evacuation of children and civilians began... they began to move in the towers... to pull troops to the border, and in the Donbass carried out a hasty and rather careless mobilization. I hope you remember about iron helmets and three-line helmets? And there there was not enough equipment, and supplies were out of hand... And by the way, they made a successful breakthrough in the southern direction of the echeloned defense line, reached Mariupol and were the first to begin its assault.
          I mean that the Russian Federation simply did not have a real Army - the Land Army at that time... There was a tiny imitation of it. There were no mobilization warehouses with equipment. There were no mobilization plans or even a normal base of reservists.
          Moreover, they remembered this and... were surprised only in mid-autumn 2022, when the “partial mobilization” resulted in the mess that almost cost us defeat in the company last year.
          Now it seems that even the knights have fought... but there is still a lot of chaos. The Black Sea Fleet again lost a ship, again due to poorly organized air defense. Moreover, there are no mountains near Feodosia, and the Kyrgyz Republic flew all over Crimea.
          Quote from Kartograph
          .Plus contingent in Syria

          And in Africa corps.
          If the preparation of the SVO had been approached responsibly and professionally, then the entire company would have ended by the summer of 2022. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not have had time to receive Western help or prepare reserves. But the knights didn’t even bother to organize the mobilization of volunteers through military registration and enlistment offices. People went to military registration and enlistment offices, went at their own expense to Chechnya to join volunteer battalions. We equipped ourselves at our own expense, through volunteers we acquired communications, optics, heat packs, first aid kits...
          - What about the knights?
          - They puffed out their cheeks, frowned and guaranteed the Grain Deal. "We are our own - bourgeois."
          But we already have to fight in earnest.
    6. +1
      28 December 2023 08: 45
      Quote: Nagan
      And the fact that the Finns and Swedes rushed to join NATO is due to the fact that temporary difficulties with carrying out the SVO took too much time. If, as planned, there had already been a parade of the Russian Armed Forces in Lvov in the spring, the former neutrals would have remained silent in the rags of neutrality.

      The Finns would be in NATO no matter whether there was a Northern Military District or not.
      What don't you see? How the Americans raised a new political elite in the EU. Those who bypassed the school, like Greta Thunberg. Like Annalena Berbock, who has not read the story. And in Finland they brought Anna Marin, a 30-year-old girl with no brains. Its role was only in signing an agreement with NATO. No referendums were held to lift neutrality!!! No one asked the Finns, this was Washington’s decision
      1. 0
        29 December 2023 21: 40
        Only she is Sanna Marin, well, just to be precise.
        1. 0
          3 January 2024 08: 54
          Quote: Milo
          Only she is Sanna Marin, well, just to be precise.

          There is such a thing, I was a little mistaken
    7. +1
      28 December 2023 19: 08
      Quote: Nagan
      If, as planned, there had already been a parade of the Russian Armed Forces in Lvov in the spring, the former neutrals would have remained silent in the rags of neutrality

      History does not know the word WOULD.
    8. +1
      28 December 2023 23: 25
      And the fact that the Finns and Swedes rushed to join NATO is due to the fact that temporary difficulties with carrying out the SVO took too much time.


      They ran to NATO precisely because of the beginning of the SVO.
      Already at the very beginning of March 2022 it was (just 10 days after the start of the SVO) the Finns decided:

      https://tass.ru/info/14655689
      How the positions of Sweden and Finland on the issue of joining NATO changed

      Back on February 20, 2022, in an interview with CNN, Sauli Niinistö argued that Finland has no reason to consider joining NATO. The official rhetoric changed after the start of a special military operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine on February 24. During a visit to Washington on March 5, Niinistö said: “The situation has changed. We must take into account what we have seen now in Europe.”...
    9. 0
      30 December 2023 11: 04
      If Khrushch had not surrendered, Marked or Alkash would have surrendered.

      Khrushchev, marked and drunk, IMHO, are written with a small letter. I agree with the rest, plus. hi
  3. +8
    27 December 2023 05: 05
    By all indications, Moscow was then absolutely sure that Finland would never be involved in NATO.
    By all indications, Moscow was then absolutely sure that the USSR would not cease to exist. And then in the Baltic states there is apparently no place to place NATO training grounds and everything else? The Baltic states joined NATO in 2004. This probably did not and does not pose a threat?
    1. +4
      27 December 2023 15: 00
      absolutely right, it’s not a matter of NATO at all... it’s a matter of placing their assets in countries that they considered their periphery... that’s all... and when these assets began to be actively squeezed out, they decided to show that they too could (like the United States for example) slam your fist on the table... they hit you... this is not to chase students around the squares with pensioners
    2. +1
      28 December 2023 19: 11
      Quote: parusnik
      It probably didn’t pose and doesn’t pose a threat?

      No at all. Because no one in their right mind would attack a nuclear power. Although for this you need to have a solid nuclear doctrine
  4. +3
    27 December 2023 05: 39
    Quote: Dimy4
    The current Kremlin inmates also have a mania for doing good deeds that are not in favor of the state. And regularly.

    What is true is true... request
    Probably the Kremlin believes the treaties that are signed with the West...
    pieces of paper with which they are then wiped from Berlin to Washington...they consider it a rule of good manners to deceive the Russians with false promises.
    But the Kremlin stubbornly believes that they are partners and colleagues...and not swindlers and scammers.
    1. man
      +8
      27 December 2023 06: 46
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote: Dimy4
      The current Kremlin inmates also have a mania for doing good deeds that are not in favor of the state. And regularly.

      What is true is true... request
      Probably the Kremlin believes the treaties that are signed with the West...
      pieces of paper with which they are then wiped from Berlin to Washington...they consider it a rule of good manners to deceive the Russians with false promises.
      But the Kremlin stubbornly believes that they are partners and colleagues...and not swindlers and scammers.

      Some kind of special kind of masochism, then I like to whine that I was deceived again, lied to again... Straight from Pushkin “Oh, it’s not difficult to deceive me, I’m glad to be deceived myself!”
  5. -12
    27 December 2023 06: 25
    With Finland, everything is banally simple. With the introduction of sanctions by the West, “everything and everything”, Finland, with its so-called “neutrality,” lost the highly profitable Russian market. And it simply decided for the future to monetize profits at the expense of Russia by joining NATO. I would not be surprised at all that the Finns will be visited by the virus maydanutosti.One medicine Iskander M in a missile brigade of four divisions - to cool the hot Finnish heads.
  6. +8
    27 December 2023 06: 41
    We have been living under a new regime for more than thirty years, and it’s all the Soviet Union’s fault.
    1. +1
      27 December 2023 11: 33
      Quote: Gardamir
      We have been living under a new regime for more than thirty years, and it’s all the Soviet Union’s fault.

      No, I understand everything, you don’t like the regime, this and that, but if objectively Gardomir, under whom did we leave the mentioned base in Porkkala Udd in 1955? Not during the USSR? What does 30 years of the new regime have to do with it if Khrushchev withdrew the base 68 years ago? HOW CAN THIS BE COMBINED??? No.
      I myself come from the USSR, I consider myself a supporter of socialist ideas and have never been a fan of the country’s liberal-capitalist course pursued since 1991, but how come you, with your attempts, to pull the “regime” on the globe everywhere and for any reason, even there, where this cannot be done with either Vaseline or silicone. Well, this is not serious.
      1. +9
        27 December 2023 12: 37
        Regarding the owl and the globe. Everyone knows that the Union was broken by Marked and Blue, but the current ones blame Lenin.
        Also, with this base, in the current conditions it would not greatly prevent the dates from going to NATU.
        Speaking of bases, who closed Lourdes and Cam Ranh?
        1. -1
          27 December 2023 12: 52
          Quote: Gardamir
          Regarding the owl and the globe. Everyone knows that the Union was broken by Marked and Blue, but the current ones blame Lenin.

          So Lenin is blamed not for the fact that the Union was broken, but for the fact that the lands of the Russian Banderlog were cut in excess. By and large, I don’t see much of Ilyich’s fault here either, since when creating the RSFSR and the Union it could not have occurred to him that his descendants would not be able to preserve the structure created by the Bolsheviks and everything would be taken away to national apartments.
          Quote: Gardamir
          Also, with this base, in the current conditions it would not greatly prevent the dates from going to NATU.

          In the current ones, it would not hurt, since the lease of the base would have expired back in 1995 anyway.
          Quote: Gardamir
          Speaking of bases, who closed Lourdes and Cam Ranh?

          No, well, there are definitely two balls in one pocket, both bases in Vietnam and Cuba were closed in May and August 2002 during the first presidency of the GDP, no one argues with this. But here, with the Finnish problems, the roll-on to the “regime” just doesn’t go well. You understand, I’m not working for the “regime”, but for objectivity and for ensuring that historical facts are not turned upside down to suit political preferences.
      2. +15
        27 December 2023 15: 24
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        What does 30 years of the new regime have to do with it if Khrushchev withdrew the base 68 years ago? HOW CAN THIS BE COMBINED???

        What is the connection between leaving the base in 1955 and Finland joining NATO in 2023? Not the slightest. Why not remember 1917 or 1812 then? The authors simply shift from a sick head to a healthy one.
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        but how did you and your bastards get around to putting “regime” on the globe everywhere and for any reason?

        Yah. Why did Finland and Sweden join NATO? Because of "SVO". Who attacked the entire
        the territory of Ukraine recognizing the Zelensky government and the territorial integrity of Ukraine (except for Donbass and Crimea), and then on the 4th day began negotiations with this government? Khrushchev, Lenin, Alexander 1 ? Maybe zhidoreptiloids and CIA agents? And how are such cute pranks interpreted by international law?
        But the regime and personally citizen Putin, of course, have nothing to do with it. Rafik is innocent
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        that the Russian Banderlogs were cut up in abundance

        It is you who just now called Soviet Ukrainians Banderaites. You can immediately feel the “Yeltsin-Putin patriot”. It’s just a pity that all these people have already died, and you can’t say that to their face. Then no NKVD would have saved you.
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        I myself come from the USSR, I consider myself a supporter of socialist ideas

        Believe me!!! I am a Crimean myself, I have lived here for 50 years. An officer's daughter. Just believe me, not everything is so simple with us...
        1. +1
          27 December 2023 17: 40
          I am a Crimean myself, I have lived here for 50 years. An officer's daughter.
          Only emotions. laughing good hi Happy New Year!
        2. 0
          28 December 2023 04: 38
          Oh how ... belay This means that when NATO bombed Yugoslavia and Libya, the Finns paid zero attention to this... when the Ukronazis bombed Donetsk, Lugansk... when they burned people in Odessa, the Finns didn’t care... and when Russia began to hit back for this, the Finns suddenly wanted to NATO.
          Apparently it seems more convenient for them to kill Russian people with impunity behind NATO’s back.
          And don’t tell me about international law.
          1. 0
            3 January 2024 12: 14
            This means that when NATO bombed Yugoslavia and Libya, the Finns paid zero attention to it

            Have you heard the UN condemn them for this and call them aggressors?
            All military operations begin with diplomats. And in the case of the Northern Military District, they didn’t even bother to reach an agreement with China, although it had the power to block the recognition of Russia as an aggressor country at the UN.
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        4. -2
          28 December 2023 08: 12
          Quote: Belisarius

          Believe me!!! I am a Crimean myself, I have lived here for 50 years. An officer's daughter. Just believe me, not everything is so simple with us...

          Is this an attack of self-exposure or what?
        5. -4
          28 December 2023 09: 38
          Believe me!!! I am a Crimean myself, I have lived here for 50 years. An officer's daughter. Just believe me, not everything is so simple with us...

          What are you even asking me to believe? At least give me a hint - in which direction is everything not so clear? And then they let in the fog, you know...
    2. -1
      28 December 2023 09: 35
      We have been living under a new regime for more than thirty years, and it’s all the Soviet Union’s fault.

      Well, then everyone pointed to the legacy of the tsarist regime, then to Stalin’s personality cult, then to Khrushchev’s voluntarism... In principle, nothing has changed, we are also looking for a switchman in the depths of history - it’s easier and safer. I think that in the times of the Republic of Ingushetia, the previous tsar was to blame for all the troubles, even if he was at least three times the father of the present one. And for centuries all problems were attributed to the Mongol-Tatar yoke.
      PS This is one of the problems of unchangeable power - attempts to blame predecessors look ridiculous if you have been in power for a quarter of a century. For example, yesterday HE said that teachers' pay is unfair. Oops! And what has prevented us from noticing this injustice for more than 20 years, and at least trying to correct it? Four (and with the premiership - five) terms were not enough? Is the current one definitely enough?
  7. 0
    27 December 2023 06: 47
    Finland exchanged good relations with Russia and mutually beneficial trade for its participation in NATO and American bases on its territory, choosing the path of confrontation between our countries. Following simple logic, this is her choice, which we would hardly be able to influence in the current situation. What was done by N.S. Khrushchev, it was done a long time ago and, as they say, it’s too late to drink Borjomi... Today all that remains is to form the Leningrad Military District again, which for some reason (?) they decided to disband in 2010.
  8. +1
    27 December 2023 07: 10
    What was previously won with great blood must be preserved. It would seem an axiom. But no. Some, for the sake of good relations, sign the Belovezhskaya Agreement, others forget to renew the lease. Where are the guarantees that this will not happen in the future? After all, we have very generous boyars.
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  10. +16
    27 December 2023 07: 57
    Moscow “lost to Finland” long ago – when it left Porkkala-Udd
    And what did Moscow lose, already in this century, when it left Cuba, Vietnam and left even before the Northern Military District, before the operation in Syria? Or was it a victory. What is surprising is the following: the worse it gets, the more they kick the USSR. Yeah, oh, if If the USSR had not left Finland, now there is no life, but a song. The shadow of the USSR has spread its gloomy wings over the new Russia, and that’s why everything falls out of hand. laughing laughing laughing
    1. +7
      27 December 2023 09: 06
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      the worse it gets, the more they kick the USSR

      So where to go? Standard propaganda technique...
      1. -9
        27 December 2023 09: 29
        Quote: Doccor18
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        the worse it gets, the more they kick the USSR
        So where to go? Standard propaganda technique...
        That’s why Putin’s people are now barking and whining so loudly: “a standard propaganda technique.” Has it gotten really bad and there’s nowhere to go? Wait, it's not evening yet.
        1. +1
          28 December 2023 09: 44
          Yes, everyone already understands that it’s not evening - it will get worse. Now the authorities’ main task is to keep the situation relatively stable until March 17. It seems that for some reason they hope that after the triumphant elections everything else will be resolved by itself.
  11. +4
    27 December 2023 08: 15

    There is, in her words, “a rapid military development of the territories of Finland and Sweden by the NATO bloc, although Sweden has not even joined the alliance yet.”

    Zakharova clarified that thanks to the military agreement between Washington and Helsinki, the Americans receive “maximum access to military facilities in Finland.” Moreover, they will have “unlimited opportunities to use them for their own purposes. But these goals will not coincide with the interests of the people of Finland.”

    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs was created in order to have good relations with neighbors, and not to state its work.
    The Foreign Ministry should care about the interests of the people of Russia...
    1. +1
      28 December 2023 00: 17
      They must analyze actions and predict events. Then something could have been prevented.
    2. +1
      3 January 2024 12: 17
      The Ministry of Foreign Affairs was created in order to have good relations with neighbors, and not to state its work.

      in this case it is more correct to use the word “failure” rather than “work” :((
  12. +4
    27 December 2023 09: 04
    Domestic leaders have an unsurpassed ability to surrender victories achieved by Russian weapons and the lives of Russian soldiers. Politicians strive to earn the love of the West through constant concessions. This is the cause of many tragedies of our time.
    1. -9
      27 December 2023 09: 40
      Quote: avia12005
      Politicians strive to earn the love of the West through constant concessions.
      The Northern Military District and the admission of several regions of the 404th to the Russian Federation are “concessions to the West”? When will they change the manuals for you poor people? Aren't you tired of spouting nonsense?
      1. +1
        27 December 2023 14: 39
        If everything you said is your evidence, then it is clear why you are so knowledgeable about squalor.
        1. +1
          28 December 2023 09: 58
          Quote: avia12005
          If everything you said is your evidence...
          No. This is an assessment of your statements about “surrendering victories” and “earning the love of the West through constant concessions.” Poor propaganda, that is, which you don’t even try to decorate with any semblance of evidence. Therefore, for those especially gifted, I ask again: the North Military District itself and the acceptance of several regions of the 404th into the Russian Federation are “concessions to the West”? Why do they need this? If you can't answer, then keep quiet.
          1. 0
            28 December 2023 15: 05
            Let's stop being rude. They don't like it here. Where did you read that I wrote something about SVO? The article is about Finland.

            And don't shut your mouth. If you have persecution mania, you should see a psychiatrist. As it is, your behavior looks a lot like a preoccupied bot.
  13. +3
    27 December 2023 09: 54
    the base in Porkalla would not have saved us when we lost the entire Baltic states, this is a strategic loss
    1. +1
      27 December 2023 11: 48
      Quote: Ryaruav
      the base in Porkalla would not have saved us when we lost the entire Baltic states, this is a strategic loss

      It was not we who lost the Baltic States, but Gorbaty and Yeltsin surrendered and drank away, just like Ukraine, and today’s Russia, with arms in hand, is correcting this historical and tragic mistake. The root cause of all the current troubles of our country (and all the wars of the last three decades) is located in 1985-1991 with Gorbachev’s perestroika, he will burn in hell forever.
      1. +2
        27 December 2023 20: 01
        What was Putin doing in Ukraine before 2022? What policies did he pursue? I see nothing and hear nothing
        1. -2
          27 December 2023 20: 16
          Quote: sergey_vakk
          What was Putin doing in Ukraine before 2022? What policies did he pursue? I see nothing and hear nothing

          What does this have to do with it if we are talking about the root causes. The first event with a base in Suomi took place in 1955, and the second, with the recognition of the independence of the Baltic states in September 1991. If the hunchbacked brute had shown himself to be the leader of the country and arrested the Belovezhskaya signatories Kravchuk, Shushkevich and Yeltsin, then today there would be no war with Ukraine, since everyone would live in the same space and within common borders. What keeps bringing you (or bringing you) into these - but what?, but what? etc. These are all consequences.
    2. -3
      28 December 2023 00: 13
      With such corrupt neighbors, one thing remains - they should be afraid of Russia. So that even the thought of crap does not arise.
  14. -1
    27 December 2023 16: 42
    We are now experiencing the outcome of all the “agreements”, starting from the non-payment of reparations by the Europeans for the attack on Russia during the years of Napoleon, the subsequent surrender of Alaska, the non-payment of reparations by the Turks... the surrender of the territories of the empire by Lenin and the denudation of the country before the war with Hitler, the surrender of the territories of the new empire by Yeltsin and exposing the country to the current war...
    and ending with the grain "deal".
    The result is sad and fair for the colony.
    1. +3
      27 December 2023 17: 26
      Hmm, I wonder who could force the Europeans to pay for 1812? Likewise, there was no strength to hold Alaska and force Turkey to pay. Or was it necessary to fight with all of the above? Oh well. And Lenin did not recognize independence out of a good life - the Red Army was physically not enough to hold the rebel territories of the empire by force.
      1. 0
        28 December 2023 10: 43
        It would also be nice to demand reparations from the Mongols
  15. +1
    27 December 2023 16: 52
    Quote: Ryaruav
    the base in Porkalla would not have saved us when we lost the entire Baltic states, this is a strategic loss

    The drunk tried his best here too. Jews need to be driven out of government administration and such problems may not arise. So these gangs are threatening a coup.
  16. +5
    27 December 2023 17: 23
    Of course, the USSR is to blame for everything, which has been gone for 30 years. And not a brilliant strategy, thanks to which they quarreled with half the world, including the Finns.
    1. -1
      27 December 2023 17: 56
      And not a brilliant strategy, thanks to which they quarreled with half the world, including the Finns.
      And we are really needed by “half the world”, which lives at the expense of other countries and really wants to live at the expense of our country? They have been living like this for 30 years, and now they suddenly became dissatisfied and imposed sanctions.
      1. +2
        27 December 2023 19: 14
        Well, think about why this “suddenly” happened.
        And we have supplied resources and continue to supply them, suddenly yes. The only difference is that now we supply more through intermediaries like China and India, who take their bribe. They outplayed everyone again.
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  18. -5
    27 December 2023 17: 52
    I wonder how the Finns themselves and the Finnish leadership feel about the fact that instead of a flow of Russian tourists, Russian natural resources and maximum good neighborly relations, Finland now receives a huge “bonus” - to become a potential target for milking Russian nuclear missiles in the event of hostilities with NATO? Do the Finns think this is more secure?
    1. +2
      27 December 2023 20: 03
      This means they think so and today’s Russia does not scare them. Unfortunately, this is not the USSR on a global scale
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      2. 0
        27 December 2023 22: 01
        I believe that we should not be talking about emotions (fear), but about sober calculation.
        Do you think that the Finns think that we would rather disappear, but never fail?
        Personally, I don't want it to be like this.
  19. +3
    27 December 2023 20: 44
    Today, Finland not only regularly and consistently closes its borders with Russia, allegedly due to the flow of migrants,
    Not “allegedly,” but actually, from our border zone with a special regime, “suddenly” groups of migrants without proper documents went through border crossings to Finland. The Finns' reaction was sharp, but predictable.
    It makes no difference what contradictory statements our officials make about the consequences of Finland joining NATO. What happened was expected and should be taken for granted...
  20. +1
    27 December 2023 23: 16
    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the other day that Russia will soon form two new military districts due to Finland’s entry into NATO and in connection with the upcoming entry of Sweden into the alliance - “these are the Leningrad and Moscow districts.”

    And those who made a mistake when starting the operation are still in place. Only instead of “right now everyone has cabbage soup” they are talking about yet another deception. Now the Finns and Swedes have deceived.
    The Absolute was not spilled, but this is how the people of Suom behaved.
    Who to believe now?
    Probably only his own. And who are yours?
    And who keeps coming and coming to Russia? You can only rely on them.
  21. +1
    28 December 2023 01: 54
    How much has this bastard screwed up? even in relations with Finland
  22. +6
    28 December 2023 08: 58
    In any case, in the 90s they would have left there themselves. So it has no effect on the current situation at all.
  23. -1
    28 December 2023 09: 56
    I once talked with a man who served at this base in the early 50s. He pronounced the name as one word, "Porkkalaudd", "in Porkkalaudd". He said that this was their customary pronunciation.
  24. +1
    28 December 2023 13: 50
    Masters of crooked headlines. How to pull present-day Russia by the ears to Khrushchev’s zigzags. How? And just merge everything under a single term “Moscow”. A well-known generalizing technique that all Western propagandists like to use. Hello, author, whose will you be?
    Again, the topic of Finland's current decision to join NATO has not been disclosed. And here only a completely stupid person would not understand that the reason, or even let it be a reason, is Russia’s conduct of the SVO! So it was we ourselves who pushed Finland into NATO? What a twist. Why don't the authors have this? They piled up all sorts of rubbish about the White Finnish wars and Porkkala-Ud, but did not reveal the reasons for Finland’s modern behavior. Yes, talk to the Finns, listen. Yes, they just got FUCKED after the start of the NWO and the star they saw and NATO is the only way out for them in this situation. And we could not lose them for one simple reason: they were never ours and they themselves understand this best of all. That's why NATO. Yes, they were kept on a golden suspense, but after ours - who else would hit a club on the head, fear eventually won and returned them to their usual course. Now, as expected, we will strengthen the defense there and not think about how cute the Finns are and why we lost them.
  25. -2
    28 December 2023 13: 56
    A Russian-Soviet-Russian official is able to waste everything that a Russian soldier and merchant could get
  26. 0
    28 December 2023 19: 52
    In vain about *loss* and so on.
    As soon as the Finns became the personal property of the Tsar himself, they began to *fill up* with pride and *superiority*, especially over the *bast-footers of RUSSIA*. For the Swedes, Finns were ordinary cattle. And then suddenly, by order of the *House of Romanov* the Finns created a culture, a language, a written language, an epic. At the same time, at the expense of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the Finns *lost a lot of things*, including cities and other *nice things*.
    Since 1917, immediately after the abdication of the Tsar, the Finns have heard a lot of things about *greatness*, *great Finland*, both from the Germans and the British and the Swedes. The Finns believed and unleashed FOUR WARS against SOVIET RUSSIA and the Finns committed atrocities believing their own *yubermenschism*.
    The third post-war generation of Finns grew up without seeing how the Finns were oppressed. But there are so many grandparents with tales about incredible heroism and about *a little more* and *great Finland* to the URAL. Moreover, the Finns again receive so many promises from the Americans themselves.
    1. +2
      29 December 2023 00: 04
      suddenly, by order of the *house of the Romanovs* the Finns created culture, language, writing, epic.


      laughing
      Finnish writing was created back in 1542.
      And the first university in Finland was founded in 1640, more than 100 years before the university in Moscow. And their epic “Kalevala” was recorded by the Finnish linguist Elias Lenrot.
      1. -2
        30 December 2023 13: 21
        I read about the ancient university and about “Kalevala”. I was interested in how it is, without any exaggeration, that *wild people* and SUDDENLY have written culture. IN THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE *the light of culture* was creeping from Europe, so *works* were created in confirmation.
        *Kalevala" had to be read, different versions. Just like *Manas*.
        I come from Central Asia, where everything that exists was created by the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and the SOVIET AUTHORITY. But today there are so many scientific discoveries, and even about heroism - wow... . Read not re-read
  27. +1
    28 December 2023 23: 49
    But the lease, we recall, was terminated by the Khrushchev leadership 40 years before its expiration.


    Well, it began, the suffering over this naval base and the curses against Khrushchev, everything is as usual.
    In any case, this lease would have expired in 1997.

    And by the way, in 1955, in exchange for an agreement on the liquidation of the Porkkala-Udd naval base, the leadership of the USSR achieved a 20-year extension of the “Treaty of Friendship” with the Finns, which had already expired in 1958.
  28. -3
    29 December 2023 00: 39
    Chukhna was lucky, they avoided indemnity. Stalin was in a good mood in September 44.
    1. +5
      29 December 2023 14: 33
      Just for them bad luck.
      The Finns are the only ones of all the losers of WW2 who paid all reparations to the last dollar and within the period assigned to them - 8 years.
      The last train with war reparations crossed the border between Finland and the USSR at Vainikkala station on September 18, 1952.
      The share of reparations in favor of the USSR in the total annual GDP of Finland was 5,6%!
  29. -3
    29 December 2023 18: 33
    I think it all started much earlier. Even under the kings. It was necessary, immediately after the conquest of Finland, to uproot it, I don’t want to, at least deprive it of access to the Gulf of Finland. Attribute these lands to Russian provinces.
    Now on the outskirts we are reaping the fruits of this same wasteful madness.
    1. 0
      30 December 2023 18: 00
      Yes, at least not to cut off the Vyborg province to her, then there would not have been the main cause of the Winter War, and more than 100 thousand Red Army soldiers would not have died. Most likely, the history of the siege of Leningrad would have developed according to a much less tragic scenario. But the rulers of our state have always loved to make beautiful gestures. True, most often these gestures were addressed to anyone, but not the Russian people.
      1. 0
        31 December 2023 08: 39
        The Porkkala-Udd base was west of Helsinki, we could only get into it by sea (closest from Tallinn), that is, NATO could easily block it from the sea
      2. 0
        31 December 2023 08: 39
        The Porkkala-Udd base was west of Helsinki, we could only get into it by sea (closest from Tallinn), that is, NATO could easily block it from the sea

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