Demographic diagnosis of the armed forces of Ukraine

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Demographic diagnosis of the armed forces of Ukraine

On April 12, 2014, the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) decided to launch the “Anti-Terrorist Operation” (ATO), which lasted from April 14, 2014 to April 30, 2018, when the latter was renamed the “Joint Forces Operation” (JFO) , in turn, sunk into oblivion on February 24, 2022 after the start of a special Russian military operation in the Donbass.

Official versions of Ukrainian losses


As the armed conflict in the territories of the DPR and LPR intensified, the question of the price that Ukraine was paying for fruitless attempts to regain control over the rebel regions became increasingly relevant. Sensing public demand, in 2017 the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to publish some information about losses. According to the two versions they presented, the irretrievable/sanitary losses were respectively:



1) 2/652 people (data as of April 9, 578);
2) 2/333 people (data as of October 8, 377).

Such information was not published subsequently.

It is obvious that the losses that Ukraine is currently suffering during the hostilities are very significant and cannot be compared with the losses during the ATO/JFO. To date, there are three official figures for Ukrainian Armed Forces losses in the public domain.

1. President of Ukraine Zelensky announced on April 16, 2022 that the number of dead military personnel ranged from 2 to 500 people.

2. Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny stated on August 22, 2022 that about 9 military personnel were killed during the fighting.

3. Advisor to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Podolyak announced on December 1, 2022 that, according to “official estimates of the General Staff and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief,” the irretrievable losses of the Ukrainian army range from 10 to 000–12 people.

Ukrainian officialdom did not spare Russian losses either. First, on September 23, 2022, Ukrainian President Zelensky said during an interview with French journalists that, according to his estimates, “fifty soldiers die a day. Five times less than the Russian military.” Then on January 12, 2023, former Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznikov told BBC News during an interview that “approximately 500 or 600 Russian fighters are dying every day across the country, while Ukraine is losing a tenth of them.”

Specific figures are provided by the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which regularly publishes information on enemy combat losses. According to a recent notification, the Russian Armed Forces lost about 24 people from February 2022, 5 to December 2023, 333. If we take them as a basis, it turns out that Ukrainian irretrievable losses, according to Zelensky, are 840 people, and according to Reznikov, 66.

Thus, according to the official version of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Ukraine’s irretrievable losses over the past twenty-two months amount to several tens of thousands of people.

At the same time, hysteria associated with an alleged shortage of conscripts has long been raging in Ukraine. For people who hold liberal democratic views, as well as Ukrainian patriots, there is no contradiction here, but we, being far from practicing doublethink, will try to understand this paradox, relying on both official and simply trustworthy information from various sources.

Categories of men not eligible for conscription


According to the document “Distribution of the permanent population of Ukraine by sex and age” from the website of the State Statistics Committee of Ukraine, as of January 1, 2021, 41 people allegedly lived permanently in Ukraine (excluding Crimea, but taking into account the DPR and LPR), including 418 717 conscripts (details in table).

Let us emphasize that 11 people is the theoretically maximum possible number of conscripts from an alternative reality, where official Kyiv moved long ago, which we will now try to adjust to the best of our ability in order to bring it closer to physical reality.

1. First, let’s subtract 1 men of military age (as of January 747, 472) from the DPR and LPR.

2. Let’s also take into account “workers”, 3 of whom, according to the State Border Service of Ukraine, in 315–922. went abroad to work and never returned. We do not have data for the fifteen years preceding this period, but it is known that the exodus of people from Ukraine took place even then. For example, Portugal and Italy legalized Ukrainian illegal migrants who had jobs, in the tens and hundreds of thousands, respectively.

From 1992 to 1999, 126 Ukrainians entered Germany in several streams of legal and shadow immigration, and by 677, about five thousand ethnic Germans left Ukraine there.

Ukrainians also moved to Russia. Thus, as of August 2009, in Siberia alone, more than two million people from Ukraine worked in oil and gas fields.

Thus, the total number of “defectors” from 1992 to 2021, taking into account other European countries where Ukrainian residents also settled, can be estimated at approximately six million people, of which about three million are men of military age.

To be safe, let’s add to them Ukrainian “grooms” who married foreign women, pseudo-refugees who found “political asylum” in the prosperous West, and men who left Ukraine under the migration programs of Canada, the USA, Argentina, Australia and Poland in 1992–2010.

Note that these three million men are not considered absent by official statistics. Formally, because with rare exceptions these people still remain citizens of Ukraine, in fact, for political reasons of the authorities, who aggressively deny the economic and demographic decline of post-Soviet Ukraine.

3. The next major category of men to be subtracted from the initial pool of potential recruits is “refugees.” From March to November 2022, EU member states provided “temporary protection” for more than 530 Ukrainians of military age, according to Eurostat. Over the past year, their number has increased to 000, including 650 located in Germany. The Federal Ministry of the Interior estimates that another 000 have not registered and are therefore in the country illegally.

In addition, 169 Ukrainian citizens entered the territory of the United Kingdom (data as of March 300, 31), of which approximately 2023 were men of military age. Canada received 21 Ukrainian citizens (data as of October 600, 98), and over 642 (data as of February 14, 2023) Ukrainian citizens arrived in the United States. Also, a number of countries outside the European Union (together with some former republics of the Soviet Union) accepted 271 “refugees” (data for July - September 000).

If we assume that the proportion of men of military age among those who fled from Ukraine to the USA, Canada and other non-EU countries is the same as in the UK (for which detailed official data is available), then the total number of draft evaders who left Ukraine after February 24, 2022, increases by approximately 103 people, reaching a total of 000 people.

4. To the draft dodgers who fled legally from Ukraine, one should add the draft dodgers who fled from Ukraine illegally. According to official data, between February 2022 and August 31, 2023, 19 men of military age entered illegally into Romania, Moldova, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia. In total, there are about 740 draft dodgers who left Ukraine after the start of the SVO.

5. Let’s not forget to mention 42 Ukrainian prisoners (data as of April 902), the vast majority of whom also fall outside the mobilization resource.

6. Subtracting from the official 11 men of military age 208 potential conscripts from the DPR and LPR and 278 prisoners and persons under investigation, 1 potential conscripts who did not return to Ukraine from 747 to 472, and 30 draft dodgers who left abroad after February 000, 3 legally, 000 draft dodgers who ended up abroad illegally after February 000, 1992 and 2021 “white tickets” who left Ukraine for the period June – September 853, we arrive at a figure of 000 people.

6.1. Thus, we can assume that now in the territories controlled by Kyiv there could theoretically be about 5 potential conscripts.

In parentheses, we note that in fact there are fewer of them, since men of military age located on the territory of the Russian Federation are not taken into account. As is known, from February 24 to December 31, 2022, 1 refugees entered the country. We do not know how many of them were men of military age, but we do know that in the Kherson region, for example, there were 275 men of military age, and a considerable number of them left for Russia. Due to the lack of information we need to make an estimate of the total number of potential conscripts from Ukraine in Russia, we will leave the above figure of 315 unchanged.

7. Let’s not ignore the workers of Ukraine’s critical infrastructure, which, according to various sources, employs from 1 to 400 people. The number of men aged 000–1 years employed in the critical infrastructure sectors of Ukraine amounts to many hundreds of thousands, fifty percent of whom, according to Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine dated January 600, 000 No. 27, are entitled to reservation. We are probably right to accept that about 59 critical infrastructure workers have reservations. In this case, the number of potential conscripts is reduced to 27.01.2023 people.

8. According to incomplete data, today about 1 people are in the service of one or another security or special structures of Ukraine. Supposedly, about 770 people there are men.

– operational rescue service of civil protection: 55 people (000 data);
– National Police of Ukraine: 134 people;
– State Border Service of Ukraine: 67 people;
– National Guard of Ukraine: 50 people (000 data);
– Security Service of Ukraine: 30 people;
– State service of Ukraine for emergency situations: 70 people (000 data);
– Prosecutor’s Office of Ukraine: 15 people;
– territorial recruitment and social support centers: 49 people;
– armed formations of Ukraine: 1 people (data from the former head of the press service of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel Seleznev, dated November 300, 000).

Subtracting 5 security forces from the 228 potential conscripts, we get 000 men of military age. Let’s also take into account officials, since most of them have reservations: according to the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine, at the beginning of July of this year, 1 people actually worked in 600 government bodies, among whom, presumably, at least one hundred and twenty thousand men (local government officials, those with a reservation will be left behind the scenes).

Thus, the conscription potential of the armed forces of Ukraine, obtained by calculation based on open data, as of today is about three million five hundred eight thousand people. More precisely, this is exactly what it could have been if not for the losses that will be discussed below.

Ukraine losses 2014–2023


Now it’s time to subtract those killed during the ATO and JFO from these 3 potential conscripts. There is no comprehensive official data in the public domain, but a group of enthusiasts on the website “Book of Memory of Those Who Fallen for Ukraine” have published for a number of years the names of the dead “heroes” taken from obituaries.

The named list of the latter covers the following government structures: the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard of Ukraine, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, the Security Service of Ukraine, the State Border Service of Ukraine, the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine, the State Service for Emergency Situations, the State Fiscal service, state special transport service. The names of those killed in “volunteer” formations are also given.

2014 – 1 people;
2015 – 1 people;
2016 – 564 people;
2017 – 354 people;
2018 – 227 people;
2019 – 170 people;
2020 – 107 people;
2021 – 137 people;
Total: 4 people.

As for combat losses after February 24, 2022, according to the Telegram channel “Whisper of the Front,” which keeps track of confirmed combat losses of the armed forces of Ukraine according to openly published obituaries, in early December the number of dead “warriors of light” reached three hundred eighty thousand. Taking into account that non-combat losses (those who died from wounds and illnesses) are very significant and, according to some sources, reach one hundred and seventy thousand people, we will accept the total number of irretrievable losses of the armed forces of Ukraine as 550 people.

Let's not forget about prisoners, deserters and missing people. According to minimal estimates, there are about forty-three thousand people in total. Finally, let us mention disabled people who have lost one or more limbs. Theoretically, this should guarantee that the poor fellow will not be called up again after a rehabilitation course, as often happens now with other disabled people - from shell-shocked to those riddled with shrapnel.

Although isolated cases are already known where guys whose legs end at the knees are recognized as fit for military service. According to the German company OttoBock, the world's largest manufacturer of prosthetics, about 50 former Ukrainian military personnel were registered with Ottobock on the lists agreed with Kiev for free prosthetics. And the number of prosthetics provided by Ukrainian manufacturing companies over the past two years has exceeded 000 people, of which about 20 are former military personnel.

Results


Taking into account government officials, security forces and various categories of men of military age absent from Ukraine, as well as combat, non-combat and partially sanitary losses of the armed forces of Ukraine, the mobilization potential of the latter decreased from the official 11 people to the real 208 people.

At first glance, the figure is still impressive, but not everything is simple here.

By virtue of current legislation, in Ukraine, men of military age are divided into three categories: conscripts, conscripts and reservists. Conscripts are men aged 18–26 years, who, upon reaching 27 years of age, enter the category of those liable for military service.

In peacetime, men under the age of 27 could be called up for military service, but after martial law was declared on February 24, 2022, conscription for military service was suspended. If a man has not previously served in the army or has not undergone training at a military department, he cannot be forcibly mobilized.

Let us remind the reader that theoretically, the mobilization potential of the territory controlled by Kyiv includes 1 men aged 628–538 years. Therefore, today, out of 18 men aged 26–2 years, only 842 men aged 503–18 years are available to be sent to the front, who, as practice shows, without any exceptions, can be recruited into the army from anywhere and at any time.

One of the most famous victims of this policy is Boris Glushak (29 years old), an epileptic who was found fit for military service by a medical examination. The unfortunate disabled man was drafted into the army and died on the front line on the first night as a result of an epileptic attack.


In order to increase the number of those liable for military service, at the end of May of this year, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law lowering the age limit from 27 to 25 years, but President of Ukraine Zelensky, despite the urgent need for recruits, due to some reasons has still not signed this law.

If the latter (or something similar) is adopted, the Ukrainian Armed Forces can count on serious reinforcements. According to the State Statistics Committee of Ukraine, as of January 1, 2024, there may be 426 men aged 714 and 25 years old (26 and 209, respectively) in the territories controlled by Zelensky’s office (909 and 216, respectively), although a more modest figure of 805 is being floated in the press. no one actually knows of those there, but it is clear that their number is in the six figures.

As a result, it can be stated that after the inevitable reduction in the current circumstances of the conscription threshold to 25 years, the conscription potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine may amount to over one and a half million people.

This concludes our little impromptu research. The final figure of approximately one million two hundred thousand men aged 27–59 years available in Kiev is not final, since if appropriate instructions (and the necessary funding) are received from “senior friends”, the draft threshold by the Ze team can be lowered to at least 18 years and raised even up to 65 years old.

One thing is clear: there is no threat of a shortage of people in the Ukrainian army in the next two or three years, especially since women have already begun to take action. According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine personnel center, the number of female military personnel increased from 16 in 557 to 2014 in October 43.

PS


To counter the widespread propaganda narrative in Ukraine that for every “hero” killed, ten “occupiers” were eliminated, we provide data from two well-known sources that count publicly available obituaries on both sides.

From February 24, 2022 to December 1, 2023, obituaries confirmed the deaths of 38 Russian military personnel and 261 Ukrainian military personnel.
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  1. +7
    20 December 2023 04: 03
    169 Ukrainian citizens entered the territory of the United Kingdom
    I talked to some people - they say that losses of 1000 per day are the minimum.
    1. +8
      20 December 2023 04: 48
      I talked to some people - they say that losses of 1000 per day are at least

      They worship the “heavenly hundred” there; years will pass and they will begin to pray for the “heavenly million”.
      1. +7
        20 December 2023 05: 09
        years will pass
        And there will be no Ukrainians left - women of childbearing age will give birth to Germans and Czechs and Poles, men - whoever survives - will drink themselves to death or grunt from old age - and that’s all.
        169 citizens of Ukraine (data as of March 300, 31), of which approximately 2023 are men of military age.
        I don’t believe it - everywhere I’ve seen clusters of them, the sex ratio is approximately 60 to 40. In France, they showed on TV (at the beginning of the Northern Military District) how a bus arrives in Paris and how Ukrainian girls get out of it with children and cats in their arms. And on the Internet there is a video of the same arrival, but not from official cameras, but from the phones of eyewitnesses - both from the same Young strong men in sweatpants get out of the bus through the second door and quickly run away.
        1. +6
          20 December 2023 05: 27
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Men - whoever survives - will drink themselves to death or grunt from old age - and that’s all.

          There are at least three hundred thousand disabled people there, and their number is growing every day. When it’s all over, the West will stop paying Nenka, therefore there will be no money for retirement. Or it will be symbolic. One can imagine how mutilated veterans will sit on every corner and beg. There will also be serious competition for good places.
          1. +22
            20 December 2023 06: 56
            Let's look at another situation.. Here the GDP claims that all the goals for the VNA will be achieved. I am absolutely sure that these goals will ultimately be far-fetched, but maybe it will turn out that these disabled people will hang on us..
            1. +1
              20 December 2023 17: 12
              Quote from: dmi.pris1
              Maybe it will turn out that these disabled people will hang on us..

              They won't hang.
              There is no talk of liquidating Ukraine.
              Some will be taken away, of course, but the state, albeit in a truncated form, will remain. There will be a government there, and it will take care of its cripples.
              1. 0
                20 December 2023 20: 15
                Let's say, and in this case the so-called. The “world community” will not recover these expenses from us?!
                1. +1
                  21 December 2023 02: 33
                  Quote: WFP-1
                  and in this case the so-called The “world community” will not recover these expenses from us?!

                  Your fears are quite reasonable, however, you do not take into account the following circumstance.
                  From 2025 in Ukraine, as part of “decommunization,” the concept of “disabled person” will be abolished, replacing the latter with the term “assessment of loss of functionality.” That is, they will proceed from the fact that any disabled person, except the paralyzed, is, of course, in principle capable of something. Thus, when he comes to the Social Security for his pension, he will be sent to a medical examination, where he will be found fit for such and such work.
                  They will also scold you for your parasitic way of thinking. Like, you want a pension, but you can’t work?
              2. +1
                23 December 2023 11: 56
                Quote: Comrade
                There is no talk of liquidating Ukraine... but the state, albeit in a truncated form, will remain.
                You still want to say that the question who will sit? will be decided by the remaining ones.
                But seriously, not according to Ilf and Petrov - I hope you are wrong, otherwise this abscess will poison the atmosphere around
                1. +3
                  24 December 2023 02: 31
                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  I hope you are wrong, otherwise this abscess will poison the atmosphere around

                  Including Western and Central Ukraine into Russia means implanting a cancer cell into a healthy body.
                  It is more reasonable, in my opinion, to install a puppet government there, not forgetting the mistake of Peter the Great, lulled by the deceitful Mazepa.
                  Control this time must be exercised with a tight grip.
                  1. +2
                    24 December 2023 02: 41
                    Quote: Comrade
                    into Russia, Western and Central Ukraine means implanting a cancer cell into a healthy body.
                    The Supreme Commander-in-Chief knows better, but I would push Westernism to the Poles - they’ll remember everything to them. I think this is why the Poles are arming themselves how not to feed the horse - so that in Europe no one even squeaks. And about the central one, maybe you’re right - someone should sit...
                    1. +3
                      25 December 2023 02: 30
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      I would push Westernism to the Poles

                      Yes, it would be a good idea for Ukraine to offer all Stalin’s “gifts” to their former owners - the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians. If they don’t want to take it, they’ll create a “gray” zone there. And central Ukraine is within the borders of 1654.
                      We, of course, share with you the skin of an unkilled bear, but personally, I have no doubt at all that there are people up there who discuss such things one hundred percent seriously.
                      1. +2
                        25 December 2023 12: 12
                        Quote: Comrade
                        We share with you the skin of an unkilled bear, but personally I have no doubt at all that...
                        .. VGK plays chess well and knows how to calculate moves
        2. 0
          21 December 2023 02: 51
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          I don’t believe it - everywhere I’ve seen clusters of them, the sex ratio is approximately 60 to 40.

          And here is a screenshot from the official Excel document, where I have circled what I need in red.
          By the way, I really liked how everything in the UK is open and organized. I was looking for the same data for Canada - where is it, just the general figure.
        3. +2
          23 December 2023 12: 01
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          And there will be no Ukrainians left...
          A year ago there was an article by a German, the guy apparently has a great understanding of mobilization issues, he already said then that Ukraine as a state is not viable in the future. A quarter of a century of ‘democrats’ and the last two years have caused irreparable damage to demography.
          The verdict is final and is not subject to appeal
          1. +2
            26 December 2023 02: 35
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            A year ago there was an article by a German, the guy apparently has a great understanding of mobilization issues, he already said then that Ukraine as a state is not viable in the future.

            Ukraine is a monster that, from its very birth, has confidently taken the path of self-destruction.
      2. +4
        20 December 2023 05: 17
        Quote: Comrade
        They worship the "heavenly hundred" there

        They worship Bandera there, and the heavenly hundred are something like the apostles with him wink
  2. +2
    20 December 2023 04: 43
    One day of war for Ukraine... 100 million dollars... plus 1000 dead soldiers and officers on average... in this situation, the future of this black hole looks bleak.
    This is especially clearly visible in cemeteries completely covered with yellow and blue rags.
    The path to CE - Europe is laid with the bones of these stupid people... I guess there aren’t enough bones to get to Europe.
    Westerners completely lack the instinct of self-preservation.
    1. +5
      20 December 2023 05: 11
      Westerners have no instinct of self-preservation
      They just have it - 9 out of 10 poor refugees are from the West and saw the war on TV.
    2. +3
      20 December 2023 05: 18
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Westerners completely lack the instinct of self-preservation.

      Dear colleague, judging by the number of men who fled from Ukraine, the instinct of self-preservation for the majority is fine there.
      By the way, 850 people who left legally - that’s how much money Ze’s team raised! One person gives on average five to six thousand dollars, which results in at least five billion dollars in cash.
      1. +2
        20 December 2023 09: 26
        I don’t know how fake this is, but the survey results for dill are depressing.
        And this takes into account the fact that this deputy’s subscribers are mostly scumbags.
  3. +7
    20 December 2023 05: 24
    From February 24, 2022 to December 1, 2023, obituaries confirmed the death of 38 Russian military personnel

    Does this include the fighters of the Wagner PMC?
    1. +13
      20 December 2023 05: 46
      As I understand, the losses of Wagner, who, according to his late leader Prigozhin, left 30 thousand people in Bakhmut alone, are not included here at all, just like the losses of the people’s militia corps until December 31, 2022. In general, everything regarding the calculations of the dead and wounded - This is all nothing more than “one grandma said” reasoning. I recently listened to one blogger who has not yet been noticed in complimentary to either side, so he has approximate calculations of losses, which he bases on the statistics of those awarded posthumously, approximately 1 to 2 and even generally 1 to 1. And even then he says that the real picture is completely different, because if a person, for example, was not on the front line, but was in position and was hit at that moment, then it is clear that there is no need to talk about any reward here. But this indirectly indicates the intensity of the fighting and the general indicator of the consumption of human resources. Whom to believe here is up to you to decide.
      1. +1
        20 December 2023 06: 03
        Quote: Dante
        As I understand it.....they didn’t include this at all, just like the losses of the people’s militia corps until December 31, 2022.

        1. By this date, they had long since become part of the RF Armed Forces.
        2. Official data on the losses of the DPR militia (before the Northern Military District) is available on the Internet.
      2. -5
        20 December 2023 10: 06
        As I understand it, the losses of Wagner, who, according to his late leader Prigozhin, left 30 thousand people in Bakhmut alone, are not included here at all, just like the losses of the people’s militia corps until December 31, 2022.

        Wagner and other PMCs entered. LDNR no. It is enough just to read the materials of the Mediazone, and we are talking about it, to be convinced of this.
        so he has approximate calculations of losses, which he bases on the basis of data from the statistics of those awarded posthumously, approximately 1 to 2 and even generally 1 to 1

        Loststarmore maintains a list of dead Ukrainian officers based on official obituaries. I compared it three times with Mediazone data on Russian officers. Constantly going neck and neck
    2. 0
      20 December 2023 05: 47
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Does this include the fighters of the Wagner PMC?

      This is taking into account PMCs.
      By the way, obituaries are counted (and at the same time running through cemeteries) by people hired by the British (specifically, the Air Force).
      1. +8
        20 December 2023 05: 49
        Quote: Comrade
        This is taking into account PMCs.

        Obituaries from electronic sources? I just deal with regional newspapers, and there are obituaries there, but on the websites I very much doubt that these same obituaries are available...
        1. -1
          20 December 2023 05: 55
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          I just deal with regional newspapers, and there are obituaries there, but on the websites I very much doubt that these same obituaries are available...

          So check, what is the problem?
          1. +3
            20 December 2023 06: 05
            Quote: Comrade
            So check, what is the problem?

            Some newspapers do not have official websites at all; those that do have obituaries are not only not highlighted in a separate column, they are not searched for at all... Something like this. (((
            1. -1
              20 December 2023 06: 09
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Some newspapers do not have official websites at all; those that do have obituaries are not only not highlighted in a separate column, they are not searched for at all

              So collect obituaries from Russian paper newspapers that do not have their own websites, and check whether these obituaries are on the Internet.
              This will strengthen or dispel your doubts.
              1. +6
                20 December 2023 06: 19
                Quote: Comrade
                So collect obituaries from Russian paper newspapers that do not have their own websites, and check if they are on the Internet.

                There is nothing to answer your question...
                So, of the two obituaries for SVO soldiers in the last issue of Pribaikalets, only one is mentioned somehow on the Internet.
                1. +1
                  20 December 2023 06: 35
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  from two obituaries for SVO soldiers in the last issue of Pribaikalets

                  Dear colleague, I understand the motives that guide you in developing the topic of certain Russian obituaries from paper newspapers.

                  Let me draw your attention to the fact that the article is devoted to the demography of the Ukrainian army, not the Russian one. If this topic does not interest you, you can sit down and write a similar article devoted to the demography of the Russian army.

                  And the last.
                  Please post a close-up photo of the newspaper you mentioned, and separately photos of obituaries.
                  Please confirm your words. Otherwise, it's just an empty phrase.
                  1. +6
                    20 December 2023 06: 47
                    Quote: Comrade
                    Dear colleague, please post a close-up photo of the newspaper, and separately photographs of obituaries.

                    Type “Pribaikalets” in the search, make sure that there is a newspaper, but not a website, and then type the data from the PDF fragment available to me.
                    1. +1
                      20 December 2023 15: 44
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Type “Pribaikalets” in the search, make sure that there is a newspaper, but not a website, and then type the data from the PDF fragment available to me.

                      I thought that you weren’t holding the newspaper in your hands. Regarding the image you posted, it is, dear colleague, two-dimensional.
                      Simply put, this is not a photograph of a piece of newspaper.
                      There are now a ton of such fakes on both sides.
                      From the latest examples:
                      1) Allegedly a check confirming that Zelie's wife stinted for a million dollars in a New York boutique.
                      Puncture - the date on the check is the one when it was in Canada.
                      2) Allegedly a subpoena issued to a seventy-year-old grandmother. With video.
                      There was a mistake - the agenda used the title of the Russian army, which was assigned to the old woman.
                      There is no such rank in the Ukrainian army. The one who prepared the “subpoena” did not know this.
                      By the way, your image is not attached to the newspaper, and this is a mistake. A photo of the newspaper is needed for identification, and the obituary must be visible there.

                      With all due respect, colleague, I can make several dozen such “obituaries” in a day.
                      First, I will find several newspapers without websites, then I will draw “obituaries” supposedly from these newspapers, and then I will post them on the Internet.
                      Business then!

                      And further.
                      When I photograph paper, the paper's texture and irregularities are visible in the photo.
                      But in your picture these signs are obviously not visible.
                      1. +1
                        20 December 2023 16: 22
                        Quote: Comrade
                        I thought that you weren’t holding the newspaper in your hands. Regarding the image you posted, it is, dear colleague, two-dimensional.

                        I thought that you would start broadcasting about fakes, without paying attention to the words about the PDF fragment and without even taking an interest in the newspaper as such.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Type “Pribaikalets” in the search, make sure that there is a newspaper, but not a website, and then type the data from the PDF fragment available to me.

                        PDF is a fragment of a file prepared for printing, and the newspaper and obituary are quite real.
                        And there are dozens of such regional newspapers in Buryatia alone. And even if the newspaper has a website, it is possible to search for obituaries in the posted scans or PDFs, but it is problematic.
                        So even the published obituaries were not included in the figures you provided. And my motive was to point out this gap to you. Something like this.
                      2. 0
                        20 December 2023 18: 10
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Even the published obituaries were not included in the figures you provided. And my motive was to point out this gap to you


                        Yes, it’s hard to disagree here. However, both resources that publish statistics on obituaries on both sides say that these lists are not exhaustive.
                        You added another obituary - good.
                        Yes, if you had immediately posted the image of the newspaper, I would not have touched on the topic of fakes.
                        So please don't take it personally.
                        Sincerely.
                  2. +8
                    20 December 2023 06: 57
                    Quote: Comrade
                    Dear colleague, I understand the motives that guide you in developing the topic of certain Russian obituaries from paper newspapers.

                    And what is your motive?
                    Quote: Comrade
                    Let me draw your attention to the fact that the article is devoted to non-Russian demography,

                    Then there was no point in posting these numbers and the source of these numbers...
                    From February 24, 2022 to December 1, 2023, obituaries confirmed the death of 38 Russian military personnel
          2. +8
            20 December 2023 08: 24
            Look, in the Krasnodar Territory region we have 16 dead. The population is 32 thousand people. Compare this to the average for the whole of Russia and you will get an approximate number of dead.. From 50 to 100 thousand fighters
      2. +3
        20 December 2023 08: 11
        This is taking into account PMCs.

        Then you get very optimistic, although undoubtedly very convenient for the authorities, figures. 38 minus 261 thousand Wagnerites, minus 30 people that Shoigu mentioned on September 5, 937, as a result, it turns out that from September 21.09.2022 to December 2022 the number of dead Russian military personnel was somewhere around 2023 people. This is according to the figures you provided. Here, of course, it should be noted that since the second half of 2324, the Russian Armed Forces have been predominantly on the defensive, but this does not mean that battles have not taken place and are not taking place. We see in the reports how much effort it takes to capture Marinka and Avdeevka, do you really think that all the combat losses we suffer there are exclusively wounded, especially considering that the evacuation of the 2023th is very difficult due to the activity of fpv drones? I will not say anything about the truly heroic 300th Army, which, in fact, stopped the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, thwarting all the plans of the authors of this conflict. What price it cost her - only God knows.

        However, we have more/less reliable data on another recent conflict in the post-Soviet space - Karabakh. Armenian losses in the second Karabakh campaign range from 4 to 5 thousand people, while Azerbaijan, which won the conflict, reports 2 military deaths. This is for 783 days of fighting. At the same time, it’s ridiculous to even compare the scale and number of troops involved in the Karabakh conflict and the Northern Military District. And we do not yet take into account the fact that for every one killed, according to meager military statistics, there are on average 44 to 3 wounded. That is, for 5 thousand killed soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there should be from 380 million 1 thousand to 140 million 1 thousand injured, of which about 900-450 are seriously injured (they are 500-1,2 to the total number losses). Are the demography of Ukraine and its Ministry of Health able to withstand such a load - a rhetorical question
    3. 0
      27 December 2023 00: 29
      Naive)) If we are delicately informed about any negative information, you can safely multiply this figure by 3 and it will be closer to the bitter truth. All data that comes from our ministries and departments can be safely multiplied by 3, although official inflation will be an exception, where I would multiply by 10!
  4. +8
    20 December 2023 05: 43
    Unfortunately, all this doesn’t give us anything so far, the soldiers in the Ukrainian trenches are not over yet, and no one canceled the war until the last Ukrainian, and they themselves are in no hurry to surrender or try to stop the war at home.
  5. +6
    20 December 2023 07: 34
    One thing is clear: there is no threat of a shortage of people in the Ukrainian army in the next two or three years.
    In other words, SVO for the next two to three years. And then, of course, there is capitulation and other goodies.
  6. +4
    20 December 2023 08: 37
    briefly about the conclusions of the article.. we assume that everything in it is correct.. we have 2 questions in the future: 1) with the annexation of all of Ukraine, what good will we get from what is written in the article? these will be our problems...
    2) with non-alignment, this is not our problem, but then what difference does it really make to us - what they will have there in a few years? SVO now..
    1. -2
      20 December 2023 19: 41
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      1) with the annexation of all of Ukraine, what good do we get from what is written in the article? these will be our problems...

      Putin immediately said that there was no talk of annexing all of Ukraine. Southeast as desired, let the rest continue to cook in their own cauldron. The main thing is to forget about NATO, disarm to the minimum required level and stop worshiping Bandera.
      All future problems of what remains of Ukraine will fall on the shoulders of Ukraine itself. Perhaps it will also be plucked by Romanians, Poles and Hungarians.
      Through referendums they will take back what Comrade Stalin once slaughtered for them.
  7. +1
    20 December 2023 08: 56
    Based on the ratio of losses, I decided to look at the Walk of Fame in Sevastopol this morning. I counted about 80 graves there, most of which are soldiers of the 810th brigade who died in Mariupol. Among the dead are the graves of Wagner volunteers. At the same time, the population of the city is 500 thousand people. Obituaries of all victims can be found on the Governor's page. In general, this turns out to be 16 deaths per 100 thousand population. If we extrapolate these figures to 145 million people, then our country has lost 23,5 thousand people. Thus, either people from Sevastopol suffer abnormally few losses, or the death toll of 40 thousand people is the upper limit of our country’s losses
    1. +4
      20 December 2023 12: 12
      Losses are uneven across regions. In Naro-Fominsk, with a population of 73 thousand (5 times less than in Sevastopol), a monument was opened in August 2023, where 88 names are listed.
  8. 0
    20 December 2023 10: 55
    You can roughly estimate deadweight losses as follows. Take several items. population up to 10 thousand people (everyone knows each other there) set the number of non-refundable ones. Knowing the number of settlements you can roughly understand the number of losses per 1000 people. population. It is clear that the more n.p. will be analyzed, the more accurate the data.
    1. -2
      20 December 2023 13: 33
      A small town is not an indicator: a military unit could be stationed there. Hence the deviations from the general statistics for the country. According to my rough estimates: our casualties are approx. 30 thousand people, Ukrainian - approx. 400 thousand. Human resources of Ukraine for mobilization are about 1 million people (about 2.5 million people or a little more have already been mobilized). They will use them up by autumn. Women don't fight much. It is not possible to use them in real combat operations; they can be used in hospitals and in some rear positions, but there are not many of them. In any case, soon there will be no one to call. The same applies to raising the upper limit of the conscription age: there is little benefit from such warriors and they will demoralize the army (they will surrender at the first opportunity; soon, quite possibly, losses by prisoners will become the main type of losses).
  9. +4
    20 December 2023 11: 03
    as of January 1, 2021, 41 people allegedly resided permanently in Ukraine (excluding Crimea, but including the DPR and LPR), including 418 conscripts (details in the table).

    Some completely unrealistic numbers. A well-known postulate - a country with super-total mobilization can put on the battlefield Present in several = 10% population. In this case, feel free Present in several = 25%!
    We emphasize that 11 people are the theoretically maximum possible number of conscripts from an alternative reality

    That's right. But then, the value of the article based on these figures, and the work done to write it, echoes this reality request
  10. +6
    20 December 2023 12: 35
    From February 24, 2022 to December 1, 2023, obituaries confirmed the deaths of 38 Russian military personnel and 261 Ukrainian military personnel.


    With such a loss ratio of 1:10, there should be an offensive on all fronts, and not defense and “gestures of goodwill.”
    1. -2
      20 December 2023 19: 48
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      With such a loss ratio of 1:10, there should be an offensive on all fronts, and not a defense

      If it occurs, the ratio will change very quickly to become 1:1 or so.
      Therefore, it is better to sit on the defensive and grind the advancing enemy until he runs out of people.
      This is what happened before our eyes all summer and autumn.
    2. 0
      21 December 2023 21: 57
      The offensive begins not when you have fewer casualties, but when you have enough personnel and equipment. It is advisable to have a threefold superiority over the enemy (this is according to the classics of past wars).
  11. 0
    20 December 2023 12: 40
    The author forgot to mention such an important factor as corruption. And he is on the list he listed. is almost one of the main ones.
    1. 0
      21 December 2023 02: 39
      Quote: TermNachTER
      The author forgot to mention such an important factor as corruption. And he is on the list he listed. is almost one of the main ones.

      So this is by default, there is corruption everywhere and everywhere. Would hundreds of thousands of people have been able to go to the West if they had not paid?
      1. 0
        21 December 2023 10: 26
        This is understandable, but it would be worth mentioning. And not everyone who bought military tickets left; many stayed and live peacefully.
        1. 0
          24 December 2023 02: 39
          Quote: TermNachTER
          not everyone who bought military tickets left, many stayed and live peacefully.

          In fact, as they fled, they continue to run.
          According to the representative of the Western Regional Directorate of the State Border Service of Ukraine I. Matviychuk, every day about 6 men of military age cross the western border of Ukraine. Of these, about 000% are truck drivers. The second largest category is those accompanying disabled people; they make up about 45% of such men.
          Athletes, diplomats, journalists, etc. are fleeing. They simply do not return from business trips abroad.
  12. BAI
    -1
    20 December 2023 13: 52
    11 208 278 people

    Mobilization potential - 10% of the working population. There are 110 million working-age people in Ukraine? The population of Ukraine now is approximately 35 million. In the West there are estimates of 27 million. Those. mob potential - 3,5 - 4 million. Taking into account the losses cited by the author, the mob potential of Ukraine is in the red, although in life they can put up about 1 million.
  13. 0
    20 December 2023 14: 28
    If now, after 2 years of war, approximately 400 thousand dill have been killed, then in a year, most likely there will be 600. And this is at least 700-750 thousand cripples and the same number of wounded animals who will have to be treated for the rest of their lives. That is, approximately 1,5 million of the underpaid will be stuck in the social service. And to the existing “black holes” - Moscow, Transcaucasia, Crimea - crippled Bandera racers will be added... But the government, at the expense of the people, feeds the Tajiks, the Kyrgyz, and others... The conclusion is simple - we will never live normally! I bought oils from the same manufacturer today - exactly 30% more expensive. The guarantor says that inflation for the year will be 8%, although he has already dodged about the rise in price of eggs... I think this one will prove that 30=8.
    1. 0
      20 December 2023 19: 52
      Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
      If now, after 2 years of war, approximately 400 thousand dill have been killed, then in a year, most likely there will be 600.

      This will depend on whether the Americans push them into a second “counterattack” or not.
  14. 0
    20 December 2023 20: 27
    The author’s calculations raise certain doubts. Oddly enough, more confidence is evoked by the recent statement of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation that during the time that has passed since the start of the special military operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have lost 383 thousand military personnel killed and wounded. Here you can suggestthat the combat (and non-combat?) losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other “security” departments of Ukraine during the Northern Military District about such as they were announced by the Minister of Defense.
    As for the figure of our losses given by the author, it does not inspire much confidence...
    1. -1
      21 December 2023 02: 44
      Quote: WFP-1
      The author’s calculations raise certain doubts. Oddly enough, more confidence is evoked by the recent statement of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation that during the time that has passed since the start of the special military operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have lost 383 thousand military personnel killed and wounded.

      I saw this statement. Most likely, this is the sum of the estimated figures announced by Konashenkov. As we can see, the obituaries show that Konashenkov was overly cautious in his assessments when he named the estimated losses of the Ukrainian military.
      You can't argue with obituaries.

      Quote: WFP-1
      As for the figure of our losses given by the author, it does not inspire much confidence.

      This figure does not pretend to be exhaustive; it just illustrates the number of obituaries of the Russian military.
      In Ukraine it’s the same. Many more died there, but not all of them have obituaries.
  15. -1
    20 December 2023 23: 12
    Thus, according to the official version of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Ukraine’s irretrievable losses over the past twenty-two months amount to several tens of thousands of people.

    22 months.
    Special operation.
    But why partial mobilization if this is a special operation?
    What if a year later it turns out that in villages and small towns there is no one to work and there are no eggs? Even chicken, food?
  16. 0
    21 December 2023 11: 27
    Motivated and ideological for a long time in the trenches, the remaining mobresource is generally in ruins, they have sharpened their skis on the EU. When it’s the turn of the military registration and enlistment office, the police and the defense parasites to go into the trenches, they will be the first to rush to Poland because they didn’t earn money for that and bought houses in the EU so that they could feed lice in the trenches instead of the sea. The remaining unmotivated and driven by sticks contingent is not particularly combat-ready and morally unmotivated to die, there will still be warriors, although meat is meat and they will shoot from AKs.
  17. -1
    22 December 2023 12: 56
    I may be asking off topic, but still:
    Where did this habit of placing a banner on the grave of the deceased come from in Ukraine? This is not a Christian rule at all
    1. +1
      23 December 2023 04: 02
      Quote: APASUS
      I may be asking off topic

      Why ? Interesting question.
      Quote: APASUS
      Where did this habit of placing a banner on the grave of the deceased come from in Ukraine?

      At the end of 2019, the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance developed a “burial ritual for a fallen warrior.” In 2021, it was finalized and legalized by the Ukrainian parliament.
      The law establishes the “Procedure for conducting military funeral rituals.”
      The following manipulations are carried out directly with the flag: first, the coffin is wrapped with the flag, then there is a salute accompanied by a drum roll and a bugle signal, after which the flag is folded in a special way and, on behalf of the president, is given to the relatives of the deceased as a keepsake.
      What's interesting is that the law not provision is made for placing a flag on the grave. Apparently this is a widespread unofficial tradition. This idea is suggested by the fact that two groups with flags took part in the funeral procession - the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the state flag. We can assume that at the end they place this yellow and blue flag on the grave. By the way, on the graves you can see not only state flags, but occasionally flags of nationalist battalions.
  18. 0
    19 January 2024 17: 27
    I also thought here
    https://topwar.ru/219378-andrej-loginov-ocenka-mobilizacionnogo-resursa-ukrainy.html?ysclid=lrkqecmd2x170354515
    In fact, foreign military reviews estimate Ukraine’s military reserves at 2 million.
    https://vk.com/doc157752719_629609017?hash=JDGsVr7fQKew4YV1MOp1eRGRsCICBtm8fPseSEREyso
    page no. 105.