Ukraine. Preparing for surrender

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Ukraine. Preparing for surrender

With the beginning of the catastrophe of the Ukrainian “counter-offensive”, followed by the realization by the Western partners of the bankruptcy of their project on the territory of Ukraine, the current Kiev government faced a terrible reality: the refusal to continue investments by sources who had previously assured the latter of their inexhaustibility - the beginning of the end of their rule.

However, this ending was quite predictable. Only ignorance stories and the doctrinal course of action of its protagonists condemn us to its repetition. In its analysis from a year ago, “Conflict in Ukraine. Genesis“I have already mentioned the components of the future defeat of Kyiv:



…When the moment comes at which the American government considers that the “return on investment” in the conflict in Ukraine is already sufficient, or when it realizes that the likelihood of reaching the threshold for satisfying investments is too small, the Kiev regime will be abandoned.

Abandoned in the same way that Ghani's Afghan regime was abandoned, and the Kurds in Iraq and Syria were abandoned after partially fulfilling the missions assigned to them by America, contrary to the promise of a Kurdish state. A promise that only bound those who listened to it.

For these reasons, and also taking into account the fact that, despite the pressure of unprecedented Western sanctions, Russia continues to maintain healthy public finances, an insignificant public debt, a positive trade balance, and the absence of a budget deficit - the confrontation in Ukraine cannot but be won by Russia in one form or another.

At the same time, victory for the Russian Federation is an existential element; for the United States of America, as already mentioned - no...

Original intentions of the Russians


Western pseudo-experts have found only one solution to justify their lack of a common vision and assessment of Moscow's potential: repeating mantras about Russia's inability to continue the war, pointing out that it remains in its positions and has made only minor progress at the front over the past year.

Analytical myopia prevents them from perceiving inconvenient reality. If the Russian Federation initiated the signing of a peace agreement with Kiev at the very beginning of the war, which was to take place in Istanbul, at a time when it was in a dominant position, including from the point of view of the “Atlantic” camp itself, this means only one thing : at the time of entering the negotiation process, Moscow had already received satisfaction in the territorial aspect, and it only had to obtain from Kiev the acceptance of the status of neutrality in relation to NATO, that is, legal assurance of the absence in the future of the armed forces of the enemy camp on the territory of the buffer state that Ukraine has become for Russia since 1991.

Today Russia stands unshakably in its positions and is content only with depleting the last remaining material and human resources of the Ukrainian army. This is not a sign of weakness and certainly not an accident. To accept this strategy as the latter is to ignore the fundamental principles of Sun Tzu, which states that even if you are capable, show your opponent your inability; when you must bring your forces into battle, pretend to be inactive.

Ukrainian-Western theses that Russia sought to destroy the Ukrainian state as such are only a fantasy and a reflection of the amateurism of their authors. The events that took place in Istanbul at the beginning of the war are direct confirmation of this: if Moscow had aimed at the disappearance of Ukraine as a state unit, it would never have sat down at the negotiating table on its own initiative at the very beginning of the conflict, when it dominated the situation at the front, and her troops were stationed in the suburbs of Kiev, which was in the grip of chaos. Troops that were withdrawn only as a sign of goodwill at the time the Ukrainian side signed the Istanbul Agreement. Signatures followed by repeals instead of ratifications.

Revelation


Twenty months have passed since the events mentioned. At the end of November 2023, a highly controversial figure in the Ukrainian political arena was brought to the forefront of the Ukrainian media space and made a revelation that had the effect of a bomb exploding in the public opinion of “Nezalezhnaya”. A revelation that the community of independent Ukrainian experts rated as one of the most scandalous this year.

В interview with Ukrainian TV channel “1+1” David Arakhamia, who is none other than the head of the parliamentary faction of V. Zelensky’s Servant of the People party, revealed the circumstances of the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine that took place in Istanbul in March - May 2022 and at which he personally headed the Ukrainian delegation.

Arakhamia recalls the Russian position:

“...The goal of the Ukrainian delegation was to delay the process, as for the Russian delegation, they hoped until the last that they would push us to sign such an agreement. They were ready to stop hostilities if we, like Finland once, accepted neutrality and made a commitment that we would not join NATO..."

He also did not fail to mention that "security advisors" from Washington, London, Warsaw and Berlin had access to all the elements discussed at the negotiating table.

Speaking about the reasons for the termination of the agreement, Arakhamia named only one serious and worthy of attention - the visit of Prime Minister Boris Johnson to Kyiv:

“And when we returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came and said that we would not sign anything with them at all. And let's just fight."

It should be noted that the parliamentarian did not utter a single word regarding Bucha.

And let us remind you: the only official version of Kyiv and the “Atlantist” camp as to the reason for the termination of negotiations with the Russians and the cancellation of the Istanbul Agreement was the so-called “mass killings of civilians committed by Russian barbarians in Bucha.” I have already described the inconsistency of this scenario in my interview with the French publication Contre-pouvoir back in September 2022.

This venerable character ends his interview with a show of pride for having fooled the Russian delegation:

“We managed 8 points out of 10. They relaxed, left, and we switched to a military direction.”

This undoubtedly programmed television revelation made the general Ukrainian public aware of the realities of a war that could well have been stopped in its early stages and which was forcibly restarted solely thanks to the direct initiative of the collective West through its emissary Boris Johnson.

The restarted war has left hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead and many more wounded and maimed, not to mention the near-total destruction of the country's economy and infrastructure, which will take decades to rebuild.

Reminder


Being the opposite of everything that formatted public and individual consciousness through the apparatus of state propaganda operating in Ukraine and in the countries of the Western camp over the past two years, this information, released at the end of November 2023, caused a real stupor among the Ukrainian masses, hitherto controlled by narratives of a completely different nature.

However, for minds not blinded by NATO slogans, much of what has now been revealed was completely obvious from the very beginning of the conflict.

In my interview from May 2023 to the French publication l'Eclaireur des Alpes this reality has already been mentioned not as one of the probable, but as the only possible scenario with the corresponding consequences arising from it:

L'Eclaireur des Alpes: Has Russia underestimated the resistance potential of Ukrainians?

Oleg Nesterenko: Remember the serious Western expert opinions about the ability of Ukraine to resist Russia that took place before the start of the NWO. At that time, just before the start of large-scale hostilities by Russia, it was believed that Ukraine could only resist Russia for a very limited time.

Despite the information flows developing in the Western media and despite the events that have been observed for more than a year, I want to emphasize: the experts who predicted that Ukraine would be able to survive only for a limited time were not at all mistaken in their forecasts.

My words may seem surprising and contrary to reality. But there is nothing strange or contradictory in them. We must not forget that the beginning of the active phase of hostilities took place at the end of February 2022 and that already at the end of March 2022 peace talks between Ukraine and Russia were underway in Istanbul.

What are the reasons for a side that feels strong and is making calculations showing that it still has significant potential for resistance to sit down at the negotiating table to negotiate some form of capitulation? This never happens. Ukraine sat down at the negotiating table solely because it was well aware of the extreme limitations of its defensive capabilities.

In Istanbul, at the moment when the parties reached consensus on most of the key elements of the cessation of hostilities agreement, when they were one step away from ratifying the document, the Ukrainian side made a 180-degree turn.

For what reason?

It doesn't take much business experience to know that in a negotiation, when one of the parties suddenly radically changes its position, it means only one thing - this party received an alternative, more tempting offer from the competitors of those who are opposite it. This is true in the business world, and this is true in politics.

If Ukraine had the luxury of throwing in the towel on the peace agreement, it means it received an alternative offer. And it could only come from the Western camp. Subsequent events revealed the elements of the proposition: Ukraine received an offer to open a gigantic line of credit, partially repaid with weapons. In return, Kyiv had to undertake the obligation to prohibit itself from concluding an agreement to end the war against Russia, as well as to provide the maximum amount of manpower to continue fighting. That was the deal.

Next, in order to ensure Kyiv’s second commitment, Ukraine’s national borders were closed to people leaving the country. It is known that at the beginning of active hostilities there was a gigantic exodus of the population from the territories of Ukraine. In France, this is not talked about much - because it is too inconvenient a truth - but the fact is that among the refugees there were many males. The men rightly realized that if they did not escape, they would be sent to slaughter.

When I observe how Ukrainian heroism is wildly admired in the Western media, it makes me smile, since it is reliably known that the country would have been devastated by future “defenders of the fatherland” in record time if the Kiev authorities had not forcibly forced the men to remain in at their disposal. Russia, it should be noted, did not resort to such excesses even at the time of mobilization, and not a single person wishing to leave the country was stopped. ...

Ukrainian trident: capitulation, transfer of responsibility and a trap for Moscow


In an interview with David Arakhamia, one of the key players in Ukrainian politics today, discussing a number of topics, the need to organize a national referendum on the issue of possible territorial concessions in favor of Russia in exchange for a peace agreement was also mentioned.

The meaning of this declaration cannot be underestimated - it has a multifaceted strategic nature.

The Kiev regime has entered an active phase of not only preparing the ground for the coming capitulation in the public consciousness of its population, but also creating a new trap for Moscow, coupled with shifting moral responsibility onto the shoulders of the torn Ukrainian people for the catastrophic policy of Zelensky, dictated by the American-centric Western camp and leading to hundreds of thousands deaths and complete ruin of the country.

Thus, not the regime, but supposedly the people will have to democratically decide both to end the war and to lose national territories.

The fact is that if, according to Article 73 of the Constitution of Ukraine and the Law of Ukraine No. 5475-VI “On the All-Ukrainian Referendum” of November 6, 2012, a change in the territory of Ukraine should be the subject of an All-Ukrainian constitutional referendum (Section 1, Article 3.2), then its conduct as such would be completely illegal. Since Article 21 of the same law states: “An all-Ukrainian referendum cannot be called (proclaimed) or held under conditions of martial law or a state of emergency throughout the territory of Ukraine».

Despite the complete illegality of such a referendum, there is no doubt that it (or more precisely, an alternative form of the latter) will take place in the foreseeable future. This is not the first time since 2014 that the Kyiv authorities have grossly violated the legislative foundations of their own country - they do this every day.

And the fact that Zelensky has already officially stated: organizing and holding future presidential elections on March 31, 2024 will be practically impossible for a number of reasons, including the presence of a significant part of the electorate outside Ukraine, on the battlefield, or in “temporarily occupied territories,” for which reason simply not having physical access to the ballot box in the near future - this fact also should not become a serious obstacle to organizing the transfer of the heavy responsibility of defeat onto the shoulders of the Ukrainian people.

However, if Mr. President Vladimir Zelensky, being already a political corpse, is not in the process of preparing the transfer of power outside of any electoral process to the Ukrainian parliament (Verkhovna Rada), the degree of ultra-nationalism and corruption of which is not worth mentioning - in the near future he is expected to be very unpleasant surprises.

Moscow, for its part, must prevent any form of referendum in Ukraine on the seizure of territories in favor of Russia until the complete cessation of hostilities, the signing of capitulation and, most importantly, the legal abolition (cancellation) of martial law throughout Ukraine. Without which, a new time bomb will be planted, which will inevitably be activated in the future on the basis of the invalidity of the referendum, which will rightly be interpreted as illegal at the time of its holding.
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  1. +34
    16 December 2023 04: 11
    I considered and still consider the Istanbul agreement to be a betrayal of the interests of our country...after the sudden withdrawal of our troops from near Kiev, our military personnel were killed who were captured by Georgian mercenaries and the residents of Ukraine believed us...the Ukrainian Nazis began to imprison and shoot people loyal to Russia everywhere. ..on whose conscience do their deaths lie?
    The article, to put it mildly, has a rotten odor.
    1. +25
      16 December 2023 05: 26
      ...on whose conscience do their deaths lie?

      Whose press conference was this recently?
      1. +14
        16 December 2023 05: 41
        It’s a pity that the article doesn’t say a word about Abramovich, which at the negotiations between Moscow and Kiev in Istanbul for some reason behind the scenes - i.e. unofficially - hanging out in the corridors. What role did he play for Russia and Ukroreich, and most likely for the West?

        In addition, at that time I personally did not have confidence in Medinsky, who headed the Russian delegation at the negotiations in Istanbul and kindly dominated in favor of trust in the members of the Ukrainian delegation, DESPITE the OBJECTIONS and DISAGREEMENTS of OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DELEGATION from Russia with him.

        Why didn’t I immediately have confidence in him? Yes, because he is a brain-dead swamp liberal and essentially a traitor in matters of Russian history..
        Suffice it to remember him and Ivanov in the epic of installing a memorial plaque in St. Petersburg to Mannerheim, who participated in organizing the siege of Leningrad during the Second World War!
        The siege survivors remember this and will never forgive him for it!
        So he will die with the mark of a traitor to the Motherland on his neck!

        A memorial plaque to Mannerheim was opened in St. Petersburg. Published 7 years ago.


        In St. Petersburg, the Mannerheim plaque was removed. Published 7 years ago.
        1. +2
          17 December 2023 09: 57
          The author described obvious things: it is clear that Ukraine alone will not withstand Russia and the fact that the war has acquired such a scale is the merit of the West! am
          The article indicates that in Ukraine they are beginning to prepare public opinion about the need to transfer part of the lands to Russia, but we also have a clear trend of imposing on the public the opinion that we have completed all the tasks from the very beginning (Land Corridor to Crimea and Donbass). And we had no intention of liberating the rest, and the rush to Kyiv is actually a diversionary maneuver! lol
          I think that the Kremlin clearly had bigger plans, but it didn’t work out then because they weren’t smart enough! What are the plans today, apparently depends on how much the West is ready to continue to support Kyiv, the author is right about this! hi
          And the time bomb is not in the legal aspect, such as the decision to transfer Donbass to Russia through a referendum during the war would not be legitimate, but in maintaining Western control over the rest of Ukraine! We will lose it for centuries, if not forever, and we will have a “watchdog of the West” with “justified” territorial claims against Russia!!! No.
          1. +1
            17 December 2023 10: 44
            Quote: Eroma
            We will lose her for centuries, if not forever.

            They said exactly the same thing after the First Chechen War! Historically, nothing is eternal in politics!
            1. +5
              17 December 2023 10: 47
              So it was, then there was the Second Chechen War and Ramzan Kadyrov appeared, now there is peace and Chechnya is a Russian region.
              1. 0
                20 December 2023 15: 22
                Akhmad Kadyrov turned out to be a wise leader of his people and agreed with the existence of his people within Russia.
          2. -1
            17 December 2023 10: 44
            No matter how bitter it is to admit, we are a loser anyway. The plan is what to do with the “rest” of Ukraine. Either this is someone else's "Chain Dog", or this is our burden, huge, destroyed, poor, embittered. Which we will owe for centuries, and even more than to ourselves. And against this background, the West will constantly muddy the waters there. If we talk about referendums, then they should be by region. And take only those areas where the people will clearly and sincerely speak out for it. Like Donbass. I hope this can happen in a number of south-eastern regions. It would be better to even give the rest of Ukraine to the West, but at the same time stop talking about a “single people” forever. And in the event of a new war, the population of this territory will be treated differently. Well, just in case, take legally binding obligations from the West that this new entity will not join NATO. Although the last one... we've already been through this
            1. +1
              18 December 2023 15: 55
              I don’t owe Ukrainians anything, and especially not Russia.
              1. 0
                25 December 2023 08: 38
                You misunderstood, or I didn't express myself clearly. I'm not saying that we really owe anything. And the fact that they will pose the question this way. As, indeed, now almost all former Soviet republics are putting it up, although they generally have zero reasons for this.
        2. 0
          18 December 2023 00: 21
          Medinsky is not the president; he did not decide what should be written into the agreement. Who? Is it clear who?
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      1. +8
        16 December 2023 05: 38
        So he will die with the mark of a traitor to the Motherland on his neck!

        Such as this creature is absolutely on the drum. As long as it doesn’t affect your pocket during your lifetime.
        1. 0
          16 December 2023 23: 46
          The Medinskys are sixes, the fault lies with those who allow them to do this and keep them close to them!
    3. +8
      16 December 2023 08: 53
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I considered and still consider the Istanbul agreement to be a betrayal of the interests of our country...

      The Istanbul peace negotiations were a forced step, due to insufficient preparation of the operation and insufficient forces (as it turned out). But it would be better if these negotiations with Bandera didn’t happen!

      We thought we could decide quickly and make a deal... But even here the West deceived us! We lost precious time. And Ukraine recovered from the first shock. Established logistics for receiving weapons from the West. And she calmly carried out the mobilization. Moreover, before the attacking side did it! Strange, right?
      1. +9
        16 December 2023 13: 59
        And who prevented you from preparing for the operation???
        1. +7
          16 December 2023 14: 45
          Quote from AdAstra
          And who prevented you from preparing for the operation???

          In general, no one interfered. There was a choice of time and place of the strike(s). There was time to prepare. Already 8 years since I was 14. There was a factor of surprise. All the trump cards were up their sleeves! And everything is wasted.
          If the logistics of Western supplies had been cut off immediately, then everything would have ended a long time ago.
          Without a plan to solve two military problems: disruption of logistics and suppression of air defense, it was not worth getting involved at all.
          I am sure that no one even initially imagined that the operation would develop into many years of meat grinding and grinding. But in vain. And the way we started (haven’t started yet!) can be described in one word - carelessness.
          1. +2
            17 December 2023 10: 03
            What is washed with the great blood of our citizens - military and civilian - is not carelessness, it is called differently.
          2. 0
            20 December 2023 18: 21
            I remember well how they showed an absolutely confused Naryshkin on TV. Obviously, we will learn the real history of the North Military District in 50 years.
    4. +5
      16 December 2023 10: 55
      And look at the map of military operations of that time. The troops withdrew not because of “good will,” but because otherwise the only road would have been cut and a terrible cauldron would have resulted.
    5. +3
      16 December 2023 15: 12
      Nothing new - the crowd always argues according to the principle: I see the forest - I sing the forest :)

      And of course, he always strives to put in his 5 cents ahead of his fellows. The “commentators” will always make you laugh with thousands of comments in the assets, which, as one, immediately after the “release” declare their existence. But the next 25.000 readers post 1-2 comments. :)))

      Are you missing communication in life? Guys, do something useful... well, work there, dig up a garden... And if you are sitting near Kiev, then yes - your absence here would even be strange;)

      P.S.: I’m sorry for my indifference to “likes” :)))

      P.P.S .:
      for information, this article, like 100% of others, is a translation from a foreign language into Russian (purely in terms of information from Russians about what they are reading over the “hill”) - it is addressed to the foreign public, where it has been published for a couple of weeks already...
      https://c-cie.eu/ru/la-preparation-de-la-capitulation
      https://c-cie.eu/publications-rus
      1. +1
        16 December 2023 17: 57
        Dear author, do you really think that the Americans abandoned Ghani for nothing? Everything was calculated and planned. They saw perfectly well what was coming to us. And they actively contributed to it. Afghanistan was a toxic asset, draining funds, and it was necessary to reset and redirect everything to Ukraine. Recent events in Israel show that Bolivar is having difficulty getting two of them out.
        1. +3
          17 December 2023 07: 02
          You understood everything correctly: no one ever “easily” abandons anyone.

          And Ukraine is in the process of “resetting” more than a long way from all of a sudden. In order to clearly understand why someone “throws” someone, it is necessary, first of all, to clearly understand for what purpose this someone took someone into the game in the first place.

          Many answers to what is happening in the world and Ukraine’s role in the processes (which are mostly kept modestly silent in Russia) can be found here: https://www.geopolitika.ru/article/konflikt-na-ukraine-genezis
          1. -1
            17 December 2023 10: 53
            Quote: NESTERENKO
            Many answers to what is happening in the world and Ukraine’s role in the processes (which are mostly kept modestly silent in Russia) can be found here: https://www.geopolitika.ru/article/konflikt-na-ukraine-genezis

            I’m curious, do you read anything besides your articles?
            Oh, sorry, you didn’t study to be a reader, but to be a writer laughing
            1. 0
              18 December 2023 04: 39
              There is also one vahhab here, a genius of wit, an intellectual with a secondary education, has formed
              1. +1
                18 December 2023 06: 11
                You are too harsh on Wahhabis. Always leave Pugies the joy of hope that if they bark, you will get on all fours and bark back at them :)
                1. 0
                  18 December 2023 07: 47
                  Quote: NESTERENKO
                  You are too harsh on Wahhabis. Always leave Pugies the joy of hope that if they bark, you will get on all fours and bark back at them :)

                  And I wanted to praise. It’s always interesting when a person far from leftist views comes to Marxist conclusions. laughing
                  Only a question about the form arose: do you have no proofreaders at all to proofread the text? Well, there are just so many grammatical errors that it makes my eyes bleed!
                  1. 0
                    18 December 2023 08: 17
                    Oh, sorry! I didn’t pay attention - you write for English speakers from Denmark, in their native language. And it was Google Translator that screwed up, apparently...
                    Can you post a link to the original source in Basurmanian?
                    1. 0
                      18 December 2023 08: 47
                      actually in French... a person translates it into Russian (who, yes, first goes through Google to save time).
                      You can find the “original” publications using the links on this page (not all, but not a few: found on Google by my public relations service): https://c-cie.eu/la-preparation-de-la-capitulation/
                  2. +1
                    18 December 2023 08: 31
                    Are there no proofreaders at all to proofread the text? Well, there are just so many grammatical errors that it makes my eyes bleed!

                    1) you, apparently, take your fantasies for knowledge :) But still, send me your huge list of errors found, which have such a detrimental effect on your ophthalmological functions - I will pass it on to my translator, who translated the text from French - I will make the person happy.
                    2) You are a master of compliments to the administration of this site, which double checks and changes the grammar at its own discretion(!) of each text before its publication.

                    Н.Б.: по поводу "марксистских выводов" - да, вы что-то неплохо подметили... За "дополнением" можете обратиться к постскриптуму на этой странице https://www.geopolitika.ru/article/konflikt-na-ukraine-genezis#:~:text=%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85%20%D0%A8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2,%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%20%D0%BA%20%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC%D1%83
          2. +1
            17 December 2023 15: 52
            I barely made it through the link! hi painfully long article fellow
            Explain, as a knowledgeable person, why everything that is happening is described by you and many others as some kind of strategic plan of the United States? and for decades to come. belay this period exceeds the presidential term, usually people live for today and make decisions in order to take advantage of the results bully
            It seems to me that everything is much more banal feel
            The American invasion of Afghanistan is just a PR campaign designed to show the American people that Washington took a harsh response for the terracottas in New York wink then a budget for the war in Afghanistan appeared and the right people spent it until this money began to smell bad, so they left Afghanistan. laughing
            Ukraine is creating a pretext to push Russian energy resources out of Europe in order to redistribute American and Arab oil, which competed fiercely in the American market. For bankers from the USA, it is important to preserve the petro-drill, here I agree with you drinks The Saudis patiently waited for the result and didn’t get it, so they expressed their support to the Americans and went to be friends with China, their oil competes with few people there, I think they just divided the market with Putin and that’s why suddenly we have warm relations with Arabia, although this has never happened bully
            According to the US plans, we should have started the SVO in Ukraine long ago, and then everything should have worked out for them with the redistribution of the world energy market, but we paused laughing
            And with China, there is also purely economics, China should make iPhones, not develop them! That's why they butt heads over who should control which segment.
            By and large, no one needs a real war, it’s just that the Americans are cowboys and if they feel that they can solve the issue by force, they do not hesitate to use force
            1. +3
              17 December 2023 16: 45
              Do you mean a link to an article in Russian on “geopolitics” dated 12/22? You did not read the material carefully enough (which is normal, given its volume), otherwise you would have found in it almost all the answers to the questions you raised...

              What you and many others describe as some sort of US strategic plan? and for decades to come.


              Everything you see is always just the visible part of the iceberg... To answer you in detail, it would be a whole article - the wrong format.
              In short:
              the people (anyone; and we’re not just talking about “hard workers”, but absolutely all socio-professional strata of society) need to be presented with digestible, understandable narratives immediately and without effort. According to the principle of Pavlov and his dogs. This is what I mean by tying in the plans of the state. construction and government strategies for the presidential term are the extreme height of naivety. Yes, there are punctual political interests, and there is what is called the “deep state”, consisting of economic leaders. units of national importance and building strategies without fail for at least ten years in advance. On a serious level, no one ever lives for one day or one year - these are fairy tales for the poor, who do not know any other form of existence. When I say 10 years, I mean simple projects. In your opinion, how many years in advance should I calculate down to the decimal point and down to the penny my business plan (investments, payback threshold, ...), if I build, for example, just one plant and invest only $5 million in it? ? Correct answer: at least 10 years. What if I have a project worth 50 billion? I hope you understand what I mean. That is: punctually pursued policies in the United States take place in the strictest accordance with the deep, long-term interests of those who were in real power long before the current presidency and will remain in real power at a time when the current presidency is already forgotten. Even simpler: outside of pure dictatorships, countries are ruled by gray cardinals (who nominate their wedding generals to achieve their long-term goals and protect their strategic interests).
    6. +2
      16 December 2023 18: 10
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The article, to put it mildly, has a rotten odor

      Yes, everything is great with us! And nothing. "People are eating."
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  3. +12
    16 December 2023 05: 36
    So, did “demilitarization” and “denazification” take place in the spring of 2022?
    Pure betrayal. It seems that without the approval of the Yeltsinoids in power and business, nothing happens in the country..
    1. +6
      16 December 2023 08: 10
      I fully approve, there are no competitors... it’s time to start brainwashing the population about the agreement as a great victory for the great winner.
      And there will be more and more such opuses day by day.
    2. +3
      16 December 2023 18: 04
      Looking at two characters at the microphone in Istanbul. One stutters, the other drops documents, you understand that this is the level of leadership that the Kremlin is capable of. Only one is fabulous, everything is in order and according to plan
  4. +3
    16 December 2023 07: 53
    But it’s worth admitting that Russia was saved in March 22 by the Almighty himself, albeit in the person of Borka the Shaggy, who broke the “agreement.” Otherwise, this “agreement” would have had irreversible consequences for Russia...
    1. +2
      16 December 2023 08: 17
      And in general, if you look at the history of the Russian state, then the very existence of Russia is simply impossible to explain. More than once Russia was about to disappear and at the last moment someone or something saves it. Existence itself can only be explained by Higher Powers, which at the last moment pull you out by your ears.
      1. +1
        16 December 2023 08: 58
        In 2004, the Baltic countries joined NATO, there is complete Nazism there, oppressing the Russian-speaking population. Then we had to start. Now the Finns are in NATO and St. Petersburg is no longer a hundred kilometers away, but sixty kilometers from the border with NATO.
        1. -2
          16 December 2023 10: 14
          There is complete Nazism there, they oppress Russian-speaking people.
          Judging by the fact that the above-mentioned population does not want to go to Russia, they are not particularly oppressed.
          1. +5
            16 December 2023 14: 53
            But the local indigenous population is severely oppressed in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, they are not allowed to study Russian, and they rushed to Russia in droves smile to join Russian culture.
          2. 0
            16 December 2023 16: 36
            I repeated the official opinion of our leadership for the start of the SVO. The SVO should have started in 2004 from the Baltic states
          3. Aag
            +1
            16 December 2023 20: 54
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            There is complete Nazism there, they oppress Russian-speaking people.
            Judging by the fact that the above-mentioned population does not want to go to Russia, they are not particularly oppressed.

            The situation in the Baltics is familiar at the level of friends, relatives, classmates, classmates... This is about the degree of control over the situation... Now more and more commentators are speaking out about Ukraine, saying that it should have been decided in 14 (absolutely agree , - the only question is the scale of the solution). / Of course, ideally, I should have been puzzled even earlier. IMHO, there was no time for that... The reasons are a separate, difficult, difficult topic... /.
            Alas, with the Baltics, - A similar topic... The moment, to a greater extent, has been missed... And, not Russian-speaking, Russian-oriented population is to blame for this... In the Russian Federation, who, and what, is waiting for them? Please tell me a diagram - a diagram of how you can sell housing in, say, Latvia, and export funds to the Russian Federation?! (About the “treasures” acquired through hard work back in the USSR, family albums / they can do a mischief at the border! / - there is no longer any talk!...
            So it turns out that young, stupid (for the most part) Central Asians are nicer to our leaders! (Let them not be offended - immigrants from the SA! - that’s how it is! If it’s really offensive, stay home! Don’t rush here with your “Charters”. ..Yes, there are acquaintances, comrades, colleagues (from Soviet times), - IMHO, - adequate, integrated... There are fewer and fewer of them...
        2. +9
          16 December 2023 10: 56
          Start a war with NATO? Why waste time on trifles, maybe a landing in the USA right away? There, too, Nazism and Russians are oppressed.
          1. -2
            16 December 2023 16: 38
            They joined NATO in 2004, and it was time to start.
            1. +7
              16 December 2023 19: 13
              ...can you even imagine the state of our army (no blitzkrieg) and economy (then the sanctions would definitely not have survived) in the 90s and early 2000s?
      2. +3
        16 December 2023 18: 09
        The phrase, the authorship of which is attributed to Minich, sounds completely like this:
        “Russia is probably ruled directly by the Lord God. Otherwise it is impossible to explain how it even exists!”
        The meaning of this phrase is to state the complete disorder in public administration, which probably no other country could withstand. The fact that Russia manages to exist in such a mess (and not just exist, but also win) was jokingly attributed by the author of the aphorism solely to God’s mercy.
        1. +4
          16 December 2023 18: 25
          I wanted to say a little about something else. After the intervention during the civil war, Russia was supposed to collapse. But she was able to pull herself together and drive out the invaders. After 1991, Russia again had every chance of falling apart when there was a “parade of sovereignties,” but by some miracle it survived. It was the same in earlier times.
    2. +6
      16 December 2023 09: 31
      Quote: Vladimir M
      But it’s worth admitting that Russia was saved in March 22 by the Almighty himself, albeit in the person of Borka the Shaggy, who broke the “agreement.”

      And in whose favor has the battle map changed since then?
      In my opinion, we can talk about victory when Ukraine is at least cut off from the Black Sea.
      1. +1
        16 December 2023 10: 14
        I didn’t even talk about victory, which is still very, very far away. I said that under the terms of the “agreement” of March 22, they were going to abandon Donbass and “mortgage” Crimea, which by that time had already been a subject of Russia for 8 years. This “agreement” was “another step” to civil war already on Russian territory.
  5. BAI
    +8
    16 December 2023 10: 45
    Oh, these storytellers. There will be no capitulation and there will be no referendum. The West will not abandon Ukraine - otherwise it would not have begun the process of joining the EU. To occupy Ukraine, an army of several million is needed. No one has canceled the size of the territory. And even the Russophobic population.
    The conflict will subside on its own along the existing borders at the time of calm
    And no one will remember either the referendum or the borders of the Russian Federation within the framework of the latest amendments to the Constitution.
    1. +3
      16 December 2023 14: 57
      Oh, these storytellers.
      I agree. I will add that the territories annexed to Russia will be considered in the world for a very long time, the territories of Ukraine occupied by Russia, like the Golan Heights, Syrian territories occupied by Israel.
      1. +1
        16 December 2023 21: 23
        In the meantime, the enthusiastic sharing of the skin of an unkilled raccoon will continue... lol
  6. +6
    16 December 2023 11: 02
    It’s funny that two years have passed, but the phantom pain in my lower back still won’t subside.
    Now, as a plantain that needs to be applied, the concept “they were ready to capitulate, but the damned (and shaggy) Englishwoman shit again”
    1. 0
      16 December 2023 21: 27
      the damned (and shaggy) Englishwoman shit again
      This “plantain” has been living its own life for a long time, “attaching itself” to different situations and being a kind of narrative about what hinders a bad dancer... winked
  7. +2
    16 December 2023 12: 18
    if we, like Finland once, accept neutrality and pledge that we will not join NATO

    Well, where is this Finland now? Exactly the same thing would have happened with Tsegabonia if our leaders in Istanbul had managed to once again merge the interests of the country and the people..
  8. 0
    16 December 2023 19: 44
    Oh, well, we saw very well how independent and honest the mass media of the West was at 22. Hence the conclusion, you shouldn’t believe what they write on every fence because it’s usually on command.
  9. -3
    16 December 2023 22: 41
    What a capitulation, not today or tomorrow Ukraine will be accepted into the EU=NATO.
    As Mr. Medinsky said after the negotiations in Minsk, the Russian Federation does not seem to object to Ukraine joining the EU, and the EU = NATO. An attack on the EU is tantamount to an attack on NATO. The hope that Ukraine’s accession to the EU will cost the EU dearly is untenable; it will be accepted for a reason, but according to a simplified procedure, and the costs will be repaid a hundredfold.
    Ukraine's accession to the EU=NATO will definitely be a defeat for the Russian Federation
  10. +2
    16 December 2023 23: 04
    "Troops that were withdrawn only as a sign of goodwill at the time the Ukrainian side signed the Istanbul Agreement."
    I believe that it is more correct to talk not about “good will”, but about a certain captivity that forced one to act in such a way.
    If there had not been a “free will” withdrawal of our troops from near Kyiv, then perhaps there would not have been a 180-degree turn in the Ukrainian-Anglo-Saxon position; in any case, our troops near Kiev could have brought such fickle Svidomo to their senses.
    Although, of course, such a world as was planned would be a prelude to another deception. We would have been deceived; in a few years, all the agreements that Ukraine would have undertaken would have been violated, just like the previous ones.
  11. +1
    17 December 2023 18: 02
    for information, this article, like 100% of others, is a translation from a foreign language into Russian (purely in terms of information from Russians about what they read over the “hillock”) - it is addressed to the foreign public, where it has been published for a couple of weeks already...
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  17. +2
    17 December 2023 23: 13
    El único camino posible es la total capitulación del régimen de Kiev...anexar las regiones necesarias para la federación en función de garantizar su propia seguridad y existencia..y el control de facto del resto. Con la vista a ir anexando el resto poco a poco...mientras se concientiza la población . El estado de Ucrania así como existió..no volverá a ser..y ellos fueron los responzables de semejante resultado...hoy x hoy..no hay otra opción valedera. Estos territorios volverán a ser Rusia.
  18. +1
    18 December 2023 08: 35
    We shouldn’t expect capitulation in the near future, all these supposed preparations are just a cunning move or a diversion of our attention. And how our foreign policy works was clearly demonstrated by the Northern Military District, and this is the statement: Oh, these bastards have been shelling the Donbass for 8 years! It doesn’t sound very affirmative when you meet a counter question: What did we do during these 8 years? And then the old mantras, the Minsk agreements, recognition of power after the coup, and again they deceived, and in 2022 they suddenly decided to start, this is such a late ignition. Moreover, before the start of the Northern Military District, every Western iron was broadcasting about the beginning of the attack of the Russian Federation... It was beneficial for everyone that we got into this, and our elite played along in every possible way, with gestures of goodwill, and various regroupings, although they were broadcasting about the planned enemy offensive in this direction from everyone domestic iron.. But no, our men started out so quickly, we need to slow down so that the business partners get ready, and they did, but again our men ruined everything, and now the campaign is again not going according to plan. But I’m afraid the West will try its best to ensure that victory is given to us at the greatest possible cost, and the Ukrainians, excuse me, are simply consumables....
  19. 0
    19 December 2023 19: 45
    Quote from Deon59
    In 2004, the Baltic countries joined NATO, there is complete Nazism there, oppressing the Russian-speaking population. Then we had to start. Now the Finns are in NATO and St. Petersburg is no longer a hundred kilometers away, but sixty kilometers from the border with NATO.

    Hmm... Is this from some Nat, 60 km from St. Petersburg? Actually, it’s much closer to the border with Estonia from St. Petersburg than to the border with Chukhland..
  20. -1
    20 December 2023 07: 07
    “... all she had to do was get Kiev to accept the status of neutrality with respect to NATO, that is, legal assurance of the absence in the future of armed forces of an enemy camp on the territory of the buffer state that Ukraine has become for Russia since 1991...”

    But what about: denazification and liberation of Donbass and Luhansk region?..

    "...Ukrainian-Western theses that Russia sought to destroy the Ukrainian state as such are only a fantasy and a reflection of the amateurism of their authors..."

    However, everything is much more complicated...
    I think it is difficult to deny the position expressed by many serious POLITICIANS and political scientists that Ukraine in the form of a more or less full-fledged state can only exist as ANTI-RUSSIA... This is the main meaning of its existence!
    And, quite understandably, this is a HUGE PROBLEM for the Russian Federation!..
    ...And this was precisely the idea of ​​its Western patrons and owners...
    Which (We must give them their due, they immediately understood the obvious prospects of the Ukrainian territories (And the predisposition to this of a significant part of the population of these territories) precisely in this regard!..
    And they began to carry out URGENT..., HUGE and very effective (As Time has shown!..) work in this direction...
    Unlike our respective service departments, etc. Which, in fact, left everything to chance... Especially after the Crimean success...
    So, as for whether or not to be a certain ANTI-RUSSIAN state entity called “Ukraine”... - this is also the one:
    A VERY COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT QUESTION!..

    As one of the well-known pro-Russian political scientists quite rightly stated, literally:
    “...Even if only 1 square meter of territory remains from Ukraine, a serious threat will constantly come from this meter for Russia...So, as for any kind of statehood in the Ukrainian territories, we will still look at this very meticulously and carefully! ..

    "...Troops that were withdrawn only as a sign of goodwill at the time the Ukrainian side signed the Istanbul Agreement. Signing with subsequent cancellation instead of ratification..."

    ..But maybe in REALITY - a stupid demonstration of this very “good will” in the form of the withdrawal of troops... (And the very reason for the “suddenly” emergence of this very “good will”) arose in the Kremlin as a result of confusion from such called: "mass meeting of our military columns with flowers", i.e., in fact: from the awareness of the real situation in terms of the mood of the population of Ukrainian territories, the combat effectiveness of the Ukrovermacht, the stability of government structures, the most severe reaction of the West, etc.
    Domination (Definite!) of the RF Armed Forces, of course, was... But, as time has shown... - NOT AT ALL FATAL for the Kyiv regime...
    On the contrary, it turned out that the Northern Military District, the invasion of Russian military columns (According to well-known and understandable historical laws.) - only strengthened the Kyiv government, contributed to the unprecedented unity of the population around it...
    At least, no one denies the fact that there were queues of volunteers at the military registration and enlistment offices of the Ukrainian Reich...

    About various "revelations" "zumuhran":

    ...In light of the above about the meaning of the existence of Ukrainian statehood, i.e., only as the implementation of a pro-Western project: “anti-Russia”, even if they signed something there (in Istanbul), contrary to Western “pointers” , or our RF Armed Forces - would have shot down a jet airplane with a constantly shaggy British Prime Minister... - this peace, or rather, a truce, would not be long or lasting...
    And maybe it would be even worse for the Russian Federation, since the Ukrainian Reich would have the opportunity to develop, for obvious reasons..., - the significantly increased military assistance of the collective West..., - in peaceful and calm conditions..., preparing to the resumption of the military conflict “postponed by the signing of the Istanbul Agreements”...
    It is much more problematic to master military assistance in the context of maintaining serious databases, especially when it is declared a “LEGAL GOAL” by the opposing side, if only because a significant part of it (these military supplies of the West) is destroyed during transportation and in warehouses.. .
    So (as in general!) here they rather “gobbled up” themselves... And not Russia!..)))))))))))
    (The proverb is truly true: “a Ukrainian is cunning as hell and stupid as a crow!..))))))))))))))))))

    Now about the most important:

    "...the Kiev government faced a terrible reality: the refusal to continue investments by sources that had previously assured the latter of their inexhaustibility - the beginning of the end of their rule..."

    ...No one will abandon or abandon the Ukrainian Reich... You shouldn’t fantasize stupidly!..

    Ukrainian territories are not Kurds, and not Afghanistan...
    The goals and importance of the Western project: “Anti-Russia” are absolutely incomparable with the goals that the Collective West pursued there!..
    And from the point of view of our “Western friends and partners,” it is difficult to overestimate them...

    ...For the first time, our Longtime geopolitical enemy(s) have an excellent opportunity (for the first time since the collapse of the USSR) to “constantly hold Russia by the throat”! (Permanently strangle it with sanctions, increased military spending and losses, inflict “moral” foreign policy blows, strengthen its international isolation, etc., etc.)
    Agree, in the light of the Global confrontation between the USA and China, this (i.e. the constant exhausting military-economic pressure on the Russian Federation) is of great, perhaps enormous importance...

    ...Yes! Due to huge losses, and for a number of other reasons, including foreign policy reasons, the conflict in the Ukrainian territories will most likely subside somewhat, or rather, it will transform into a different quality... (Until the Ukrainian Reich “licks its wounds”!)

    But political, economic, and military support from the Collective West for the Ukrainian Reich will not stop...

    Only a complete and catastrophic military defeat of the Ukrovermacht and the infliction of enormous damage to the military industry and key infrastructure facilities of the UkrReich - as a result of full-scale databases of the RF Armed Forces using all their power - WILL PUT the ruling circles of Kyiv in a situation (including to the brink of their very existence), when WILL IT BE BETTER TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF THE RF than to obey your Western masters...

    But for this, Russia must start fighting for real... And not play... - in the North Military District!..