Russian officers on the fields of the Civil War: Colonel Vasily Kotomin, a White Guard who was misunderstood by his own people

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Russian officers on the fields of the Civil War: Colonel Vasily Kotomin, a White Guard who was misunderstood by his own people

The First World War had a significant impact on the worldview of the Russian officer corps at the beginning of the revolutionary events of 1917, primarily due to significant changes in its social composition. If at the beginning of the war the Russian army numbered over 40 thousand officers (the same number were called up for mobilization), then by the fall of 1917, according to historian S.V. Volkov, there were already 276 thousand officers in the army.

Huge changes in the size of the officer corps were aggravated by the fact that the mass of losses was not distributed proportionally between the officers who were personnel and those who were promoted during the war; its main part falls on the former [2]. For this reason, the number of pre-war career officers - hereditary military officers (in many cases, hereditary nobles), wearing shoulder straps from the age of ten, bearers of military traditions, has seriously decreased.



By the end of the war, many infantry regiments had only 1–2 career officers; in others, at best, they were provided to the battalion level. The companies were everywhere commanded by wartime officers. The sharp renewal of the social composition of the officer corps on the eve of the February Revolution led to the fact that the officers ceased to be of noble origin, and other traditions and another culture began to be massively introduced into their midst [4].

The Revolution and Civil War destroyed the previous foundations of society and led to its split. Representatives of the officer corps also had to make their own life choices: first, after the abdication of the emperor and the transfer of power to the Provisional Government in the context of the ongoing “democratization” of the army, then after the Bolsheviks took power and broke the centuries-old way of life [4].

Many officers did not want to be drawn into a fratricidal war and took a neutral position. Officers had to make their ideological, political and life choices based on ideas about duty, honor, on the basis of their personal experience in 1917, as well as on the specific circumstances in which these people found themselves [1].

There were also frequent cases of desertion, when whites went over to reds, and reds to whites. Thus, Colonel F.A. Bogdanov, who commanded the 2nd separate Orenburg Cossack brigade, went over to the Red side on September 8, 1919, together with the brigade. Transitions of representatives of the command staff of the Red Army to the side of the Whites during the Civil War, including collective ones, were also common, which is confirmed by story desertion of the command staff of the 35th Infantry Division in July and September 1919.

The anti-Bolshevik underground in the Red Army was also quite extensive, the most famous representatives of which, who later went over to the side of the White Army, were Colonel V.V. Kotomin, Colonel A.L. Nosovich, as well as General N.N. Stogov. The story of the Russian officer Vasily Kotomin, a member of the anti-Bolshevik underground, who not only defected to the whites, but also prepared for them a detailed report on the state of the Red Army, deserves special attention.

Russian officers and the Civil War



Before moving directly to the story of V. Kotomin, it is necessary to tell in a little more detail about the motives for the entry of Russian officers into the armies of the warring parties.

This issue is discussed in more detail in the book by Doctor of Historical Sciences Andrei Ganin “The Russian Officer Corps during the Civil War. Confrontation between command personnel. 1917–1922”, so it will be cited quite often below.

A. Ganin notes that the mass of officers greeted the Bolshevik coup rather passively. The Red Army in the first half of 1918 was replenished with only a small number of former officers. The increase in the number of military specialists resulted in subsequent forced mobilizations [1].

In turn, historian Gennady Marchenko writes that if after the February Revolution the majority of officers remained in military service, then by the fall of 1917 the situation had changed. The separate Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, signed by the Bolshevik leaders in March 1918 with the German authorities on unfavorable terms, led to the transition of a significant part of the officer corps to opposition to Soviet power, some of whom joined the White movement [4].

What were the motives of the officers who, after the October Revolution, took one or another opposing side?

A. A. Shuvalov in his article notes that the classification of the reasons for the transition of officers to the side of the Red Army was given back in 1919 by Colonel Y. M. Lisovoy, an officer of the Volunteer Army, as well as the emigrant publicist A. S. Belorusov. He lists the following reasons, on the basis of which several groups of motives can be distinguished.

The first, small group, consisted of people who served for ideological reasons and shared communist beliefs. The second consisted of those who voluntarily came in the spring of 1918 to repel the German invasion. The third were those who deliberately ended up in the Red Army for its disorder and decay. The fourth group consists of individuals who, given the shortage of specialists, felt an opportunity to advance under the new government. The fifth, most numerous (up to 80%) were people mobilized by the Soviet government and served under the threat of reprisals against their families [3].

As for the officers, cadets and cadets who chose the path of armed struggle against Soviet power, they can also be divided into several groups.

The first group are staunch opponents of Soviet power. The second group consists of individuals who associated their personal benefits, primarily material ones, with the overthrow of the Soviets. The third group - those who were offended by the Soviet regime for insult and humiliation, who harbored anger and a sense of revenge towards it. The fourth group, the most numerous, were those who fought for self-defense, for a piece of bread, for a salary [3].

Many officers were united by a negative perception of the Bolsheviks, who were perceived as enemies of Russia, traitors, henchmen of Germany, who were striving for the defeat of their own country in the First World War. Other officers believed that they were serving their country regardless of the ruling regime. Nevertheless, for the period 1918–1920. Every third General Staff officer deserted from the Red Army [1].

This is primarily due to the fact that the Bolsheviks and their allies, the Left Socialist Revolutionaries, took power in the wake of the disintegration of the old army, soldiers' permissiveness, unprecedented humiliation and massacres of officers. Having come to power, the Bolsheviks pursued a discriminatory policy towards officers, which inevitably alienated the latter. Among the symbols of the dark past were everyone who had previously enjoyed any privileges, including officers, “gold chasers” [1].

Hordes of propagandized soldiers, maddened by permissiveness, thirsted for the blood of those whom they considered their oppressors. The officers could not calmly appear on the street in uniform. Outright criminality was covered up with revolutionary slogans. The very word “officer” became a symbol of the “class enemy”, aroused suspicions of counter-revolution, and in the Red Army the euphemism “military specialist” was later introduced instead [1].

Andrei Ganin in his work emphasizes that during the Civil War, officers often had no choice on which side to fight on, due to the fact that mobilizations were carried out by all warring parties. Much depended on the location of the officer at a particular period of time, as well as on the quality of the work of the mobilization or punitive apparatus. Officers often switched sides, either by accident or by conscious choice [1].

One of these defectors was Colonel Vasily Vasilyevich Kotomin, commander of the 2nd brigade of the 35th rifle division of the Red Army.

Military career of Vasily Kotomin and his participation in the anti-Bolshevik underground


Colonel Vasily Vasilyevich Kotomin was born on November 15, 1882 and came from the nobility of the Tiflis province. He graduated from eight classes of the Tiflis 3rd Men's Gymnasium and the St. Petersburg Infantry Junker School in the 1st category (1905), passed the entrance exam to the preparatory school of Oriental languages ​​(1909) [1].

He entered military service as a 1st category volunteer at the Moscow Military School on August 29, 1901. However, apparently, something went wrong with his studies, so in 1903 Kotomin was enrolled without an exam in a special class of the St. Petersburg Infantry Junker School, while serving in the 7th Samogit Grenadier Regiment [1].

Kotomina's officer service from the spring of 1905 to the spring of 1911 took place in Turkestan. He served in the 5th and 1st Turkestan rifle battalions, served as adjutant of the headquarters of the I Turkestan Army Corps, as well as chief officer in the Amudarya flotilla at the headquarters of the Turkestan Military District.

In the spring of 1911, Kotomin was sent to the Main Directorate of the General Staff, where from June he served as assistant to the head of the V department of the department for the organization and service of troops, and the next year he transferred to the 197th Forestry Infantry Regiment in Sveaborg. He took an active part in the First World War.

Having enlisted in the Red Army in 1918, Kotomin was simultaneously a member of the white underground - the Union of National Revival and the Ryazan underground anti-Bolshevik organization [1].

Probably in connection with underground work, Kotomin, according to N.D. Egorov, was arrested in October 1918, but was released [5]. Apparently, Kotomin was still trusted, since upon his release he took the post of commander of the 13th regiment of the 2nd Infantry Division stationed in Ryazan.

The Tula provincial military commissar D.P. Oskin left evidence of Kotomina in his memoirs:

“The commander of this brigade, Kotomin, a former colonel, a Ryazan landowner, arrived in Tula at the moment he received the order to send the brigade to the front. The first impression is that he is energetic, agile and lively, knowing military affairs well.”

Dmitry Porfiryevich Oskin (1892 - 1934), later commander of the troops of the Trans-Volga Military District.
Dmitry Porfiryevich Oskin (1892 - 1934), later commander of the troops of the Trans-Volga Military District.

According to the commissar of the 27th Infantry Division A.P. Kuchkin, Kotomin -

“a man slightly above average height, with a buzz cut and clean shaven. There is gray hair at the temples. He is plump, but lively and slender beyond his years. He was very correct and helpful, which greatly captivated his interlocutor, whom he looked straight in the eye” [6].

At the post of brigade commander, Kotomin, as before, carried out subversive work. It is not surprising that the orders were not carried out, and the actions of the brigade aroused criticism from the divisional authorities. The assistant chief of staff of the brigade for the operational part, former lieutenant N.N. Zagorsky, was also associated with the white underground [1].

During the fighting near Chelyabinsk, Kotomin, on the night of July 24, 1919, with a group of like-minded people, went over to the side of Kolchak’s troops. According to D.P. Yamyshev, the collective transition to the whites was planned in advance.

The commander of the Western White Army, General K.V. Sakharov, wrote this about the transition of the Kotomina group:

“They ended up at an outpost that vigilantly guarded the road, since our troops were accustomed to various tricks and deceptions of the Bolsheviks. The first salvo killed Colonel Kotomin's horse and wounded two officers; they all scattered, and only a day later it was possible to bring these heroes together. Colonel Kotomin spent a terrible hour and a half lying behind the horse's corpse until our officer freed him and led him out. Colonel Kotomin was taken to the nearest headquarters just as I was touring the troops. A tall, powerfully built man with an open, energetic face, a hero of the German war, he trembled all over from his experience with a fine nervous tremor, like a little frozen boy. “I thought they would kill me.” But it was so hard for the Bolsheviks that death was better” [7].

Among the Whites, Kotomin was seconded to the headquarters of the 3rd Army and was at the disposal of the headquarters of the 3rd Army. At the beginning of August 1919, the defector was received by the Supreme Ruler, Admiral A.V. Kolchak. According to the order to the troops of the 3rd Army No. 743 of September 20, 1919, Kotomin was seconded to the army headquarters, and before he received the appointment, it was ordered that he be satisfied with his salary in the amount of 80% of the salary of the division chief.

At the end of 1919, Colonel V.V. Kotomin died of typhus.

A few days before the transition to the whites, Kotomin prepared a report, the purpose of which was to inform the white command as fully as possible about the strengths and weaknesses of the Soviet troops. And although the sense of objectivity often betrayed the speaker, nevertheless, as A. Ganin notes, many of the author’s assessments seem quite balanced [1].

Kotomina's report and reaction to it


In an effort to attract the attention of white officers to the constant improvement of the Red Army, Kotomin in Siberia gave lectures on the Red Army, but encountered misunderstanding, since evidence of the growing power of the Red Army and the strengthening of discipline in it was interpreted by whites as Bolshevik propaganda.

In particular, as Baron Alexey Budberg, who was at that time the chief supply officer of the Siberian Army under A.V. Kolchak, wrote in his diary, they even tried to beat the lecturer:

“Yesterday there was a public lecture by Colonel Kotomin, who fled the Red Army; those present did not understand the bitterness of the lecturer, who pointed out that in the commissar army there is much more order and discipline than ours, and they created a huge scandal, with an attempt to beat the lecturer, one of the most ideological workers of our national Center; they were especially offended when K. noted that a drunken officer was impossible in the Red Army, because any commissar or communist would immediately shoot him; Here in Petropavlovsk there is such drunkenness that one is ashamed of the Russian army” [8].

Lieutenant General Alexey Pavlovich von Budberg came from hereditary nobles of the Livonia province. He headed the headquarters of the Vladivostok fortress for more than ten years and was one of the most famous military figures who served in the Far East. Commander of an infantry division and army corps during the First World War, manager of the War Ministry in the government of Admiral A.V. Kolchak. Author of the widely known memoirs “The Diary of a White Guard.”
] Lieutenant General Alexey Pavlovich von Budberg came from hereditary nobles of the Livonia province. He headed the headquarters of the Vladivostok fortress for more than ten years and was one of the most famous military figures who served in the Far East. Commander of an infantry division and army corps during the First World War, manager of the War Ministry in the government of Admiral A.V. Kolchak. Author of the widely known memoirs “The Diary of a White Guard.”

As a result, Kotomin acquired a reputation as a Bolshevik, although he sincerely wanted victory for the Whites.

The problem of underestimating the enemy in the white camp was systemic and consisted of a lack of self-criticism. Representatives of the White movement often perceived the Reds as a kind of undisciplined mass that was driven to the front by various commissars and troublemakers. In addition, even in 1920, many White Guards seriously believed that the Red Army was actually led by the German General Staff.

Kotomin's report, prepared for the white command, was already intercepted by the Reds in September 1919. The report was appreciated, and soon it ended up on the desk of the head of the Soviet government, V.I. Lenin. The defector’s report caused a resonance in party circles and was discussed not only in the Central Committee of the RCP (b), but also in the Moscow party committee. In particular, the military organizer of the committee, A.F. Myasnikov, mentioned him [1].

This attitude is due to the relative objectivity and content of the document written by an enemy of the Reds. It is no coincidence, according to Trotsky, that Kotomin - “a person is not stupid, not lacking in observation and character” [1].

Thus, Kotomin’s knowledge of the structure and life of the Red Army and the report based on this knowledge were not in demand - it was clearer and easier for whites to continue not to take the Reds seriously, despite the failures at the front. The Reds took the report more seriously. In October 1919, members of the Central Committee studied the defector's report, trying to understand the weaknesses of the Red Army organization.

It is noteworthy that the philosopher N.V. Ustryalov, who personally talked with Kotomin, wrote the following:

“There was a radical difference between the “native” whites and those who managed to breathe the Soviet air and consciously look at their surroundings. The latter could not, with all their hostility towards the Bolsheviks, turn a blind eye to their strengths. We can say that one way or another they went through the school of political literacy and therefore assessed the situation more soberly and more deeply. And in the “primordial” white kingdom the naive version continued to hold: the Bolsheviks were robbers and German spies” [9].

Использованная литература:
[1]. Ganin A.V. Russian officer corps during the Civil War. Confrontation between command personnel. 1917–1922 – M.: Tsentrpoligraf, 2019.
[2]. Volkov S.V. The tragedy of Russian officers. – M.: Tsentrpoligraf, 2001.
[3]. Shuvalov A. A. Reasons for the choice of the opposing side by representatives of the Russian officer corps at the end of 1917 - beginning of 1918 // Bulletin of Bryansk State University. Story. Literary criticism. Right. Linguistics. 2012. No. 2 (2).
[4]. Marchenko G.V. Russian officers during the years of revolutionary upheavals and the Civil War: moral and political choice // Management consulting. 2017. No. 11.
[5]. Egorov N.D. Colonel V.V. Kotomin and his report. M., 2018. pp. 353–354.
[6]. Kuchkin A.P. In battles and campaigns from the Volga to the Yenisei: Notes of a military commissar. M., 1969. P. 100.
[7]. Sakharov K.V. White Siberia: [Internal War 1918–1920]. Munich, 1923.
[8]. Budberg A. Diary of a White Guard. – M.: AST, 2001.
[9]. N.V. Ustryalov. 1919. From the past / publ. A. V. Smolina // Russian past. Historical and documentary almanac (St. Petersburg). 1993. No. 4.
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  1. +13
    13 December 2023 03: 11
    naive version: the Bolsheviks are robbers and German spies"
    Only they, in 22, “finished their campaign on the Pacific Ocean”!
    1. +12
      13 December 2023 04: 40
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      naive version: the Bolsheviks are robbers and German spies"

      In addition, even in 1920, many White Guards seriously believed that the Red Army was actually led by the German General Staff.

      This reminds me of something from today...
      1. +6
        13 December 2023 07: 36
        Not just something, but exactly...
      2. 0
        22 December 2023 15: 26
        And self-justification is not about us....
  2. +9
    13 December 2023 05: 47
    The difference between the pragmatic interest in the Bolshevik Kotomin report and the disdain for it among the whites is very significant. Two different reactions to one document, smart and stupid.
  3. +7
    13 December 2023 05: 55
    As a rule, it is the current rich people and priests who are drowning for the tsarist regime and the white movement. Because it was good for them then and it’s not bad for them now. And the fact that then the Russian state was dying and now is almost dead is violet. For for some, the main thing is money, for others it’s either faith (when they really believe) or money again.
    I hope that after victory in the confrontation with the West, the correct ideology will arise in my country and the nouveau riche and priests in the country will no longer have that power. You earn money and earn money, you invest people and you earn money, but do not touch the state and its foundations.
    Interesting article about the tsarist naval officers
    According to Prosyannikov's research, at the beginning of 1917 there were about 8 officers in the Imperial Russian Navy. During the years of the Revolution and the Civil War, more than six and a half thousand of them went over to the Reds and began to serve the Soviet government. The Naval General Staff, almost in its entirety, went over to the side of the Soviet government and led the Red Fleet throughout the Civil War.

    Moreover, a naval officer is first and foremost a technician.

    https://cont.ws/@bya965/736983

    And one more fate. Captain 1st Rank Modest Ivanov took part in the defense of Port Arthur and received the Golden Saber from the hands of the Tsar. He became the first revolutionary admiral in Soviet Russia. He died in besieged Leningrad.
    1. +5
      13 December 2023 08: 10
      Quote: bya965
      I hope that after victory in the confrontation with the West, the correct ideology will arise in my country and the nouveau riche and priests in the country will no longer have that power.

      Why is this such hope? Historically, everything happens exactly the opposite! A new ideology can only emerge in the event of defeat and collapse. In case of victory, the power of the nouveau riche and priests will only strengthen. Since everything that is happening now is happening strictly in the interests of the ruling class! And the ruling class now is, after all, THEY!
      Quote: bya965
      You earn money and earn money, you invest people and you earn money, but do not touch the state and its foundations.
      1. -1
        13 December 2023 09: 04
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Why is this such hope? Historically, everything happens exactly the opposite! A new ideology can only emerge in the event of defeat and collapse.

        Old. Agree. It's like an article "for an unsuccessful coup d'etat." If successful, then there is no article.
        Now, because of the rich and the priests, there is precisely no ideology. If she wins, she will just come in.
        1. +5
          13 December 2023 10: 33
          Quote: bya965
          Now, because of the rich and the priests, there is precisely no ideology. If she wins, she will just come in.

          Which? Orthodoxy, Autocracy, Nationality... will not work. Maybe: Capitalism, Happiness, ................................. Pray? laughing
          1. -4
            13 December 2023 16: 19
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB

            Which? Orthodoxy, Autocracy, Nationality... will not work. Maybe: Capitalism, Happiness, ................................. Pray? laughing

            How stupid, don’t you think!
            Orbán answered you best recently in an interview. At least part of the ideology is visible there:
            Firstly, how to understand Russians. We all desperately need this! Because if you don't understand what kind of people they are, it will be difficult for you to build adequate relationships with them! The political system of Russia is not like ours, and I don’t think that it will ever be like ours! For us, for Westerners, what is the most important question of our ethical philosophy and our existence? Freedom! For Russians, this is not the most important thing. For them, the main prerogative is security, how to keep such a huge country united, and issues like freedom come only after that, and therefore for the Russian leadership the main task is to keep such a huge country united!”...

            Aren't you ashamed that a complete stranger, both by blood and by worldview, understands us much better!
            1. +5
              14 December 2023 02: 30
              Quote: bya965
              Aren't you ashamed that a complete stranger, both by blood and by worldview, understands us much better!

              That is, this anti-communist, who danced with ecstasy on the bones of the Soviet Union, tells you in plain text that for Russians Freedom is not the Main thing, that in essence Russians are a nation of slaves who live only to build their pyramid! And not only does it not offend you, but you also admire it! And you're trying to shame me! belay
              Well, for you, maybe Freedom is not the main thing! But I was born in a Country that, for the first time in the History of Humanity, gave equal rights to EVERYONE (!), regardless of gender and nationality! In free Europe, only in the 30s did the surf movement emerge, but in our country for a decade and a half, women not only had the right to vote, but were also elected to government bodies! In the USA, back in the 50s of the 20th century, there were laws on racial segregation; by that time, for about half a century, all nationalities had equal rights, the Pale of Settlement and other restrictions based on nationality that existed in the Republic of Ingushetia were abolished! I will remain silent about workers’ rights, such as an 8-hour working day, weekends, paid vacation and a guaranteed pension (which also first appeared in our country and which are still not available everywhere).
              And after all this, you claim that Freedom is not the main thing for Russians? am
              Why don’t you speak yourself, but echo an ardent anti-Soviet and Russophobe! Who openly insults us, and you are thrilled by it: oh, how he understands the Russian soul... belay
              1. -2
                14 December 2023 05: 20
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                it tells you in plain text that for Russians Freedom is not the main thing, that in essence the Russians are a nation of slaves who live only to build their pyramid! And not only does it not offend you, but you also admire it! And you're trying to shame me! belay

                Orban says that the main thing for us is our Russian state, and its existence gives us freedom and security.
                So see?
                Then you put everything together.
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                The Pale of Settlement and other restrictions based on nationality that existed in the Republic of Ingushetia have been abolished!

                And what kind of violation of the rights of Jews is this and what other national characteristics are there?
                Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                and follow the lead of the ardent anti-Soviet and Russophobe! Who openly insults us, and you are thrilled by it: oh, how he understands the Russian soul... belay

                They piled everything in a row.
                Once again, the main thing for me as a Russian is not to betray my own people, incl. Mordovians, Chuvash, Kalmyks, Tatars, Lezgins, Chechens and all our people, for whom my Russian state is their state. They are Russian for me.
                And “freedom” is the reasoning of liberals, which is deeply disgusting to me. But weak minds often fall into their pharisaical snares.
                A little trolling
                Yes, for example, I am for a 4-day work week, but I am forced to work 6 days, even on holidays and weekends. This violates my freedom!
                1. +2
                  14 December 2023 08: 29
                  Quote: bya965
                  They piled everything in a row.
                  Once again, the main thing for me as a Russian is not to betray my own people, incl. Mordovians, Chuvash, Kalmyks, Tatars, Lezgins, Chechens and all our people, for whom my Russian state is their state. They are Russian for me.
                  And “freedom” is the reasoning of liberals, which is deeply disgusting to me. But weak minds often fall into their pharisaical snares.

                  And who piled everything into one pile? “My Russian state of Chuvash, Kalmyks, Tatars and Mordvins...” What does nationality have to do with it? What does it have to do with a “Russian” state or not a “Russian” one? These are all chimeras designed to distract from the main issue! The state is just a tool in the hands of the ruling class. And the ruling class is determined by its attitude to ownership of the means of production! And the main and only question is the form of ownership of the means of production! Are they privately owned or socialized? It doesn’t matter to me what nationality the oligarch owns a factory/well/forest/river/field or railway....just as it doesn’t matter to him what nationality the hired workers work for him! Everything else was invented to obscure the main question! Because going to die for a state owned by capitalists is not at all like going to die for the Russian state of Tatars and Mordvins...
                  And the concept of Freedom is universal! It was specially appropriated and vulgarized by liberals, like the rainbow and the color blue by buggers! laughing
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          2. +2
            13 December 2023 20: 35
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            Quote: bya965
            Now, because of the rich and the priests, there is precisely no ideology. If she wins, she will just come in.

            Which? Orthodoxy, Autocracy, Nationality... will not work. Maybe: Capitalism, Happiness, ................................. Pray? laughing

            Episode of the future in a humorous dimension:
            https://t.me/Topaz_Penetrator/7843
            2050 year.
            Memoirs of a soldier of the Russian army. History textbook 8th grade
            1. +1
              14 December 2023 02: 38
              Quote: WFP-1
              https://t.me/Topaz_Penetrator/7843

              Straight Old Testament story laughing
    2. +3
      13 December 2023 08: 19
      Quote: bya965
      As a rule, it is the current rich people and priests who are drowning for the tsarist regime and the white movement. Because it was good for them then and it’s good now

      You are speaking very chaotically.
      The white movement never “stood” for the restoration of autocracy; today’s rich people don’t care about either the tsarist regime or the white movement, just like the mentioned “priests” ....... because they didn’t have such a good time then
      1. 0
        13 December 2023 09: 13
        Quote: bober1982
        ....... because they weren’t doing so well then

        Of course, there was a revolution and the rich and priests stupidly lost money. For example, churches and monasteries were the largest landowners and a huge percentage of peasants worked for them. I’m generally silent about fines for failure to appear at church and prices for ritual services.
        And in 1918, the driven people went to return the loot. Whether this is good or bad is a difficult question, but it is a fact that the tsarist regime and the “spiritual” power brought it to this point. The Bolsheviks didn’t even interfere much here. Although the Jewish component didn’t care or was even happy about it.
        1. +2
          13 December 2023 09: 29
          Quote: bya965
          Although the Jewish component did not care or was even pleased

          Ah, this got me interested.
          I agree that ........ the Bolsheviks didn’t even get involved here, the pogroms of the Church were carried out by Satanists, I myself am not an anti-Semite, but it should be noted that among all these pogromists and murderers there were many people of Jewish nationality - which was, that was it. The synagogues were not destroyed.
          1. +4
            13 December 2023 10: 55
            Quote: bober1982
            The synagogues were not destroyed.

            Are the synagogues filled to capacity with gold utensils?
            The mosques weren’t destroyed either...
          2. +4
            13 December 2023 16: 33
            Quote: bober1982
            the Bolsheviks didn’t even get involved here, the Satanists were engaged in pogroms of the Church,

            You think religion has eaten your brain. Maybe I’m being harsh, but when you are completely robbed year after year, and the rope doesn’t fit around the priest’s waist, and your children have nothing to eat and they just grow up stupid from malnutrition? And it is beneficial for the priests, as well as for the authorities, a stupid, uneducated herd.
            This is genocide, and if it needs to stop, then it needs to stop. Even by destroying religious buildings. In principle, the same thing is happening in Israel now.
            I was always surprised that in relation to the Soviet regime, priests and liberals acted on the same front.
            I personally would leave churches in villages (if you are so educated, how do they differ from villages?), so that later I could show how a village of 600-800 people was robbed in order to build a stone church! Nowadays there are a lot of such skeletons.
            In fact, they were built with peasant money, and they were destroyed by peasants. And tell your believers about Satan and God.
            1. -3
              13 December 2023 18: 20
              [quote=bya965] and your children have nothing to eat and from malnutrition they just grow up stupid?[/quote]
              [quote=bya965]Even by destroying religious buildings[/quote]
              [quote=bya965]This is genocide, and if it needs to be stopped, then it needs to be stopped.
              Where do you live, just curious.
              What a genocide, and who is starving - there are no starving people now, there is plenty of food (as you put it).
              [quote=bya965]And tell your believers about Satan and God.[/quote]
              I don’t tell anyone anything, and the Holy Fathers don’t recommend it, as they teach - you save yourself, let others scoop it out themselves, why teach them - it’s not Senka’s hat, to admonish someone.
              1. +1
                14 December 2023 02: 44
                Quote: bober1982
                and the Holy Fathers do not recommend it, as they teach - you save yourself, let others scoop it out themselves, why teach them - it’s not Senka’s hat, to admonish someone.

                Where do the “holy fathers” teach you this? What parish are you in? Well, send me your address, the Holy Synod will be very interested... Yes
              2. 0
                14 December 2023 05: 29
                Quote: bober1982
                Where do you live, just curious.
                What a genocide, and who is starving - there are no starving people now, there is plenty of food (as you put it).

                I live in the middle of nowhere, in Saratov in 2023. And the article we are discussing is revolution and civil war. It's in another time.
                Yes, I still live according to my conscience, as my ancestors lived.
                1. 0
                  14 December 2023 08: 02
                  Quote: bya965
                  Yes, I still live according to my conscience, as my ancestors lived.

                  This statement aroused great interest, I will explain why.
                  What is conscience? According to the teachings of the holy fathers, this is a bright feeling of the human spirit, which distinguishes good from evil, that is, natural law, the voice of God in the soul.
                  But, since we are all in a state of sin, our conscience has become damaged, and the opinion that our conscience is impeccable is wrong.
                  What is the conclusion - our relationship with our own conscience requires, at a minimum, prudence.
        2. +1
          14 December 2023 13: 24
          For example, churches and monasteries were the largest landowners and a huge percentage of peasants worked for them.
          Nevertheless, it should be noted that after secularization, carried out by Catherine II, the volume of land holdings of monasteries much decreased. Churches did not own land at all. The term "church land ownership" does not mean that specific churches own the land, but that the land is owned by a religious institution such as the Church.
  4. +11
    13 December 2023 07: 38
    Firstly, the Civil War in Russia was a consequence of the December 1917 conference of the Entente countries in Paris. Where Russia was divided into zones of responsibility and funding was opened to future governments and armies that fought against the RSFSR. Germany and the Allies followed the same policy.

    Any Russian officer was educated enough to understand that white armies were being formed in territories occupied by foreign states. At least the white officers were not idiots and understood this.

    It is surprising that even in the USSR, since Khrushchev’s times, the image of a “sincerely mistaken” patriotic white officer has appeared in books and films. Then, from the 90s, he became no longer lost, but a tragic hero - “an intellectual, a victim of the Bolshevik hordes” .... ....

    Besides the fact that “the Bolsheviks broke the centuries-old way of life,” this is just a joke to chickens.... Didn’t capitalism break the centuries-old way of life?

    In my opinion, you have to be a child not to understand a simple thing: the beginning of the 20th century was precisely the last historical chance for Russia not to remain in the past of human history along with its ancient “ways” and move on to the modern..
    1. +4
      13 December 2023 08: 22
      Quote: ivan2022
      At first

      You are voicing an unpopular point of view. Now the patriots of the Russian World will come running and shower you with ......... rags!
      On the tsar’s desk lay a plan for GOELRO and industrialization, which the Bolsheviks vilely implemented, having previously stolen it, Sikorsky would have built Russian helicopters in the late 20s, and according to Tsiolkovsky’s drawings, they would have flown to the Moon in the 30s! And if Stolypin had been given 20 quiet years.... Then we wouldn’t be drinking Bavarian now, but all of Europe would be drinking Klinskoe, learning Russian and dancing squat instead of breakdancing! And all this with the ringing of bells and the blessing of the priests!
      And the vile, grimy Bolsheviks deprived us of this Paradise! Ask any passerby on the street - all of them are either descendants of nobles or, at worst, industrialists and million-dollar merchants!
      1. +3
        13 December 2023 09: 17
        or descendants of nobles

        Well, for example, I’m from the nobility on my father’s side. Moreover, they are pillars. And on the mother's side - from a family of very rich Yaroslavl merchants. So, my ancestors had family mansions with estates, and steamships on the Volga... Which does not at all prevent me from having ironclad communist convictions.
        1. +10
          13 December 2023 10: 37
          Quote: paul3390
          Well, for example, I’m from the nobility on my father’s side. Moreover, they are pillars.

          Well, what am I talking about! I’m constantly haunted by the question: where have the descendants of 85% of the empire’s population, that is, the peasants, gone?
          1. +6
            13 December 2023 10: 47
            This always amazes me - characters who, if not for the Soviet government, which brought their grandfathers into the people, would now be sweeping the yard of my mansion and with a bow would accept a ruble for vodka on holidays - they are drowning for the Republic of Ingushetia and the autocracy!! Throwing shit at the Soviet Union, which gave them everything.. And I, a cross between high-ranking nobles and Volga merchants, am a convinced communist.. Still, life is a very funny thing at times..
            1. +3
              13 December 2023 11: 05
              And I am always amazed at how quickly in our time those whose ancestors destroyed the same Cossacks called themselves Cossacks. My great-grandfather was a hereditary Cossack, but he always asked to remain silent about it so as not to experience what happened to him in his time from the Bolsheviks.
              1. +5
                13 December 2023 11: 47
                The Bolsheviks spread rot on the Cossacks not because they didn’t like the word Cossacks. There was a reason. Many places were noted.
                1. +2
                  14 December 2023 03: 13
                  Quote: paul3390
                  The Bolsheviks spread rot on the Cossacks not because they didn’t like the word Cossacks. There was a reason. Many places were noted.

                  Well, the Cossacks, to be fair, were also different. I have two great-grandfathers, Semirechensk Cossacks, so one in 1919 established a council of Cossack deputies in Verny (Almaty), and the other served with Annenkov, went to China with him and, as a result of a special operation by the GPU, returned back in 1927, was arrested, tried and, together with Annenkov, was shot in the courtyard of School No. 1 (Former first gymnasium) in the city of Semipalatinsk.
                  By the way, another of my great-grandfathers, an archpriest and rector of the Tomsk Cathedral, served in camps from 1933 to 1945 for anti-Soviet propaganda. So, as a Marxist, I understand you... laughing
          2. +2
            13 December 2023 11: 09
            Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
            I’m constantly haunted by the question: where have the descendants of 85% of the empire’s population, that is, the peasants, gone?

            16 communists went there (according to official data as of January 516, 066)
            1. +1
              14 December 2023 02: 49
              Quote: bober1982
              16 communists went there (according to official data as of January 516, 066)

              So you want to say that the peasants were not real? belay
          3. -1
            16 December 2023 21: 20
            Consciousness 85% has changed. Some became burghers, some became townspeople, citizens.
            The isolated village life ended for the rural people too.
            Waste fishing, shifts, contracts for several months.
            Commuting to work is 100-500 km.
  5. +3
    13 December 2023 09: 12
    90% of the senior officers of the Red Army are former tsarist officers. Both Commanders-in-Chief, General Staff, Commanders and NS of fronts and armies, the vast majority of division commanders.
    As they said then: “The Red Army is like a radish, only red on the outside and white on the inside.” laughing

    Frunze cannot be considered a full-fledged member of the front; just read his biography. Perhaps only Budyonny, but the Cossacks have a military democracy.

    In those same years, a dual system of control over them was formed: the RVS (political commissars) and the Cheka.
    The current army has inherited all the advantages and vices of this system. Yes
    1. +1
      13 December 2023 10: 01
      It was the dual system that helped the Bolsheviks win. The commanders were engaged in military affairs, and the commissars were engaged in political work. All commissars were communists and promoted a single ideology. Among the whites, the role of political workers was performed by officers, and their views were far from unified.
      Trotsky said that both the Reds and the Whites have a proper army, but only the Reds have the institution of commissars.
    2. +4
      13 December 2023 10: 33
      Quote: Arzt
      In those same years, a dual system of control over them was formed: the RVS (political commissars) and the Cheka.

      This is not an invention of the Reds. The system itself was adopted from the French revolutionary army...
  6. -2
    13 December 2023 10: 22
    I would like to remind you that the Fleet of the Russian Empire was very corporate. And less than the ground units, they lost their personnel in the First World War. But in the first days of the previous Great Revolution, he lost more officers than during the entire period of the war.
    Therefore, there is no need to fantasize that the Navy, in full force, fought during the Civil War on the side of the Reds.
    80% of the Navy officers fought in one case or another on the side of the whites.
    In order not to enter into a pointless argument, I suggest turning to the works of contemporaries, i.e. to the officers of the Fleet of the Russian Empire. In our country, a voluminous collection was published *Fleet in the White Struggle*, Moscow, Tsentrpoligraf, 2002. With attached biographies of all significant officers who took part in the Civil War.
    1. +3
      13 December 2023 10: 52
      Quote: Alexander Kuksin
      80% of the Navy officers fought in one case or another on the side of the whites.

      Where do the numbers come from? Please provide a link to the source.
      Quote: Alexander Kuksin
      In our country, a voluminous collection was published *Fleet in the White Struggle*, Moscow, Tsentrpoligraf, 2002. With attached biographies of all significant officers who took part in the Civil War.

      Oh this... Well, firstly, not a voluminous collection, but one (ninth) volume from a “voluminous collection” (26 volumes) called the White Movement in Russia. Based mainly on the memories of participants in this movement and their descendants living outside our homeland. Yes, none of the authors hid the purpose of this publication - formation of new spiritual values ​​of a resurgent Russia.
      So a very unbiased source...
      1. +5
        13 December 2023 12: 56
        We noticed that people here like to write about the fleet, Tsushima and so on. But for a year on the site I have never seen an article about the death of the Black Sea squadron in 1918. Those who wanted to, sank the ships. Those who didn’t, left, surrendered to the Germans, and those who didn’t I didn’t go to Novorossiysk. So by the way..
        1. +1
          14 December 2023 03: 16
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          But in a year on the site I have never seen an article about the death of the Black Sea squadron

          So write it yourself! And we will honor and appreciate...
          1. +1
            14 December 2023 11: 24
            So write it yourself! And we will honor and appreciate...
            “Boy, why don’t you perform yourself? And I’m shy” (c)
  7. +4
    13 December 2023 10: 31
    Kotomin –
    «a man slightly above average height, crew cut, clean shaven. There is gray hair at the temples. He is plump, but lively and slender beyond his years. He was very correct and helpful, which greatly captivated his interlocutor, whom he looked straight in the eye.”
    General K.V. Sakharov...:
    "......A tall, powerfully built man with an open, energetic face...

    It seems that they saw the same person in different ways
    Kotomina's report and reaction to it
    I had to read about this in several memoirs of Kolchak’s officers.... Kotomin, after him, became an outcast. The officers' assembly gave him a thumbs up and kicked him out of their membership. Only the protection of Kolchak himself prevented him from being killed in a duel, many of which they wanted to challenge him to. In his report, he highly praised the “demon of the Revolution - Trotsky” for his organizational abilities and actions. The old Kolchakites frankly did not understand him, and “shifters” like him were afraid to support him.
    And only in emigration did many understand the truthfulness of his words
  8. +3
    13 December 2023 12: 22
    Judging by the fate of Kotomina, the main reason for the defeat of the whites is their own inertia, stupidity and conceit.
    1. -1
      13 December 2023 15: 41
      The fate of Kotomkin does not in any way clarify the main reasons for the defeat of the White Army, which were the banal small number and lack of regular supplies (weapons, ammunition, food, uniforms, etc.).
      1. +2
        13 December 2023 16: 00
        What were the reasons for the small numbers and poor supplies? The will of the people? Deception? CONSPIRACY?
        1. -1
          13 December 2023 16: 08
          The small number was due to the fact that many people (including the officer corps) were tired of the war by that time and did not want to participate in hostilities.
          Passivity.
          The large number of the Red Army is due to the fact that Bolshevik propaganda had a good effect on the peasants (land to the peasants), and the officers were subsequently mobilized forcibly. Well, in the Red Army there were initially a lot of people who liked to rob - there was such a motivation
          Poor supplies due to the fact that all the main warehouses were on the territory controlled by the Red Army, and Denikin refused to accept help from the Entente for reasons of principle (although he received weapons from Krasnov, who received them from the Entente, but it was meager)
          1. +5
            13 December 2023 17: 00
            That is:
            - Bolshevik ideas turned out to be closer to the people (the people’s choice)
            - Bolshevik leaders were able to realize this advantage through skillful propaganda (the best leaders).

            As for war fatigue, not only the officers are tired, the soldiers are tired too.
            IMHO, the best leaders, that is, the personal factor, played a decisive role.
            1. -1
              13 December 2023 18: 59
              Bolshevik leaders were able to realize this advantage through skillful propaganda
              or coercive measures.
              But on the whole I agree.
              And there was no unity in the white movement, but the Bolsheviks had it
              1. +1
                14 December 2023 09: 17
                This, IMHO, is also a personal factor.
  9. +3
    13 December 2023 12: 51
    "The Bolsheviks broke the centuries-old way of life"
    Which? way of life. More details, who got it broken?
  10. BAI
    -2
    13 December 2023 13: 24
    Here you go. A detailed description, with evidence, of the need to cleanse the army in 1937. How else should you perceive the article?
  11. -1
    13 December 2023 15: 32
    The phrase “anti-Bolshevik underground” sounds somewhat pretentious
    1. 0
      13 December 2023 17: 02
      Unusual to say the least. I think there was no organized underground; there were probably like-minded people who occasionally found each other. They probably found Cheka agents more often. And the result of the underground's activities - a report for which they were almost killed - is very doubtful.
      1. -1
        13 December 2023 19: 10
        the fact is that in Russian historical literature it was customary to call “underground workers” revolutionaries who fought against the “bloody tsarist regime” after the Bolshevik revolution, who fought against the same White Guards (in the territories they captured), and during V.O. IN. Soviet people who fought against the Nazis.

        Applications of the word underground worker somehow I have never encountered any involvement in the activities of the White Guards
        1. +3
          14 December 2023 09: 16
          Me too. But I met the “gang underground”, this concerned Ukraine and the Baltic states after the war.
  12. +3
    13 December 2023 18: 04
    This reminds me of something in today's situation. There was one person who directly spoke, wrote, and fought with all authorities about the fact that the enemy was underestimated. That it won't be an easy walk. It is necessary to prepare for a serious confrontation. In response, accusations of alarmism and defeatism rained down on him. When his predictions came true with frightening accuracy, he himself was put in prison on far-fetched and obviously ridiculous charges. In conflicts of this magnitude, mistakes and miscalculations are inevitable. The winner is the one who is the first to understand and correct. Judging by the fact that Kolchak and the white movement are now glorified and revered and considered the standard of “patriotism,” the prospects are somehow not very good.
  13. 0
    13 December 2023 21: 20
    Russian officers had decayed by the beginning of the twentieth century
    no longer able to fight
    neither in the Japanese nor in the First World War nor in the civil
    only the steel hand of the Bolsheviks was able to direct the army and defeat the foreign invaders and their murderers...
  14. +3
    14 December 2023 08: 43
    I wonder why there were five reasons to serve in the Reds, and four in the Whites? Whites also mobilized!
  15. +3
    14 December 2023 13: 37
    Quote: Lewww
    Poor supplies due to the fact that all the main warehouses were on the territory controlled by the Red Army, and Denikin refused to accept help from the Entente for reasons of principle (although he received weapons from Krasnov, who received them from the Entente, but it was meager)

    Hmm, what a novel you have, however. Is it really possible that Denikin, for reasons of principle, refused to receive help from the Entente? Are you kidding?
    And about Krasnov. Denikin received German weapons from Krasnov in 1918. Well, that was the principle - not to receive weapons directly from the recent enemy. And through Krasnov - there are no problems. hi
    Krasnov in 1918 said (from memory, not verbatim): “With these Cossack hands I take weapons from Germany, wash them in the waters of the Quiet Don and, cleaned, hand them over to the Liberation Army..”.
  16. 0
    April 13 2024 11: 43
    In my family, my great-grandfather had four sons, one of them was my grandfather. He ended up in the 2nd Cavalry Army, one ended up in Siberia with the red partisans, and the other two with the whites, with Mamontov. After the civil war, only one grandfather survived and rose to the rank of deputy regiment commander. Then he was demobilized and became a driver of the shunting steam locomotive "Ovechki". The civil war is a tragedy for the entire people. Now, unfortunately, it’s another stage.