Demographic problem: financial and moral component

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Demographic problem: financial and moral component

In the previous article I considered issues of moral climate as one of the important parts of the general demographic problem.

The moral climate can be compared to the soil on which a tree grows and the air surrounding it - this is what determines whether the tree will grow or not. In this analogy, the financial component is like sunlight and water - without them, a tree will not grow even in the most favorable soil.



In developed countries it is often clear that economic well-being and abundance do not have a positive effect on demography - that is why I raised questions of the spirit before questions of matter, and I started not with economics, but with the question of the environment.

The moral climate influences people’s desires to do or not do something, sets them in the right or wrong mood and forms a prognosis for the environment - positive or negative.

Economic issues are responsible for the ability of these people to realize their desires in a way that is useful for the state and beneficial for them.

However, after writing this article, I realized that many issues, which I initially presented as purely economic, come to the intersection of economics, morality and mentality. It turned out to be not so easy to separate these factors, as originally intended!

What a person can do in slightly better conditions, he can still do in slightly worse conditions, and here economic factors come closer to subjective ones - he loses the desire to do it. So what follows will be more discussions about the essence of the problem and some outlines on directions for solving it, rather than a cliché about “more money for everyone at once.”

The essence of the problem


The problem, as I see it, is that the birth of a child is a factor that negatively affects a number of values ​​that are familiar in our time.

These are the values ​​of “time” and the values ​​of “space”, as well as the values ​​of “well-being” in the first place. Secondly, these are issues of self-development and long-term personal forecasting.

It is these parts that mostly make up the economic side of “why they don’t give birth.” Let's take a closer look at them.

Time values.

In our era, people have gained a significant amount of free time: developed transport, limited working hours, weekends and vacations, the possibility of flexible earnings and freelancing, household appliances, semi-finished products, etc. - all this essentially saves our time, which we, in turn, prefer to spend , based on your own aesthetic or economic needs. Hobby or part-time job, idle pastime or self-education.

These values ​​are of great importance for modern man - because the global culture, consciously or not, creates, in general, egocentrics.

As you know, a person gets used to good things very easily, but it is much more difficult to wean them off. With the advent of children, free time becomes less, and it is not restructured in the best way.

Of course this is a problem.

Values ​​of space.

The issue of personal space and, in general, “personal, personal” is incredibly relevant for a person and his normal functioning. As, in general, for any living creature. Home and “our territory” in general is a space where we accumulate what is dear to us and relax; this is what is now called the “comfort zone”.

Adequate values ​​of the area available to a person contribute to his development as an individual, because he has space for self-development and hobbies, he rests better and thinks better about something in a calm environment.

And vice versa - in case of overcrowding, everyday conflicts and uncomfortable compromises are inevitable, resonance between different psychotypes forced to coexist affects the accumulation of stress, bad habits, and all this inevitably results in both health problems and success in activities.

The birth of a child inevitably affects the reduction of “personal space” and generally reduces its quality. Not everyone is lucky with calm children, not everyone can endure this period - many marriages break up after the birth of children, and issues related to the decline in the quality of personal space play an important role here.

Welfare values.

A person works mostly to cover his material needs. And although surveys in 2022 (according to Rosstat) show that about 50% of working citizens are satisfied with their salary (among low-skilled workers this figure is 32%), with the birth of a child that part of the income that a person is accustomed to perceive as personal decreases, and, given the considerable prices for food, things and consumables for children, the big question is whether a person will be satisfied with his income after this.

Especially if we are talking about families with more than one child, especially children of different sexes and approximately the same age. This is a real blow to the habits and free resources of still young people who are accustomed to living within a consumer society, consuming, so to speak.

Self-development issues.

In addition to being a time constraint and resource drain, children also break up that free time in ways that are not always predictable. This, in turn, can destroy a person's dreams of hobbies and careers, limit his self-development, delay him or make him less comfortable.

Of course, there are many examples of well-organized people who literally manage to do everything - but we must admit that this is the exception rather than the rule.

Questions of long-range personal forecasting.

Not everyone asks the question: “when the child grows up, where will he live?” Meanwhile, this question can be very unpleasant - both for parents and for the child/children.

I think everyone has examples of “rubber apartments” in which 2-3 generations live, and although such families can be fun and playful, you must understand that overcrowding is never good. Children will grow up and need their own space, and they will also want to start a family.

The question of what we will leave to our children is not an idle question. No one wants to “create poverty,” even if they have the means to survive for the moment and have a confident tomorrow; real estate in our time is a real “potential barrier” that many simply do not have the strength to overcome.

Back to the main question


The problem is broken down into its component parts - all of these are economic factors limiting demographic growth.

In the previous article, many readers noted that one of the main problems of demographic decline is low wages. And it’s true – not without it.

But it is impossible to increase salaries for everyone; this will give a short-term effect, followed by inflation. Issues of wages and living standards must be corrected gradually - and they will be completely corrected by the time society moves from complex stagnation to sustainable growth at full strength.

Then, and only then, on the wave of an economic breakthrough, the growth of the domestic market and production, the growth of foreign and domestic trade. Until then, it is possible to stimulate certain categories of the population and certain professions, but it is impossible to stimulate everyone.

Good salaries should always be backed by a created effective complex - otherwise they are just pieces of paper subject to inflation. Only in the process of creating such a complex will the incomes of the broad masses of the population grow. But this is not something that can be created at once - it would be very nice to write it as a factor: “give people a good salary, and they will give birth.” As beautiful as it is empty.

It’s definitely worth adjusting the salaries of certain categories of the population in a targeted manner, but you shouldn’t overestimate such tools. At the initial stage of emerging from the demographic hole, one should rely more on benefits and services; these are much more targeted tools.

Every time we dissect any problem like this, we simultaneously find points that indicate to us its step-by-step resolution.

The key point of the economic side of demography is not money at all, as many may think.

People can have money today and even tomorrow for a completely comfortable existence. But these funds will not be enough for the prospect of overcoming the potential barrier in a reasonable time - considering this moment, they will prefer a calm and relatively well-fed existence to getting involved in expanding the family. Mortgages, loans, as well as accumulation (in our country there is a habit of treating this negatively), and objective conditions. The lack of truly long-term stability has played a role in shaping generational habits and mentality.

So I will highlight the key point - housing issue. Most of the threads in one way or another lead to the housing question - will the child and parents have their own room while he is growing up, will he have the opportunity to get his own housing when he grows up and wants to start a family, will he have somewhere to live peacefully and without worries in retirement? for older people, will there be personal space for hobbies and relaxation?

The society of egocentric consumers is willingly stimulated by the expansion of living conditions - with this they become motivated to fill the void based on their own aesthetic preferences. All this will require money - and there will be greater motivation to develop and work.

The question of how to solve the problem of providing living space in a key way, significantly reducing this burden on the shoulders of young couples, both in the moment and in the future - I have already raised in his 2020 article. Much water has passed under the bridge since then, but the general principle of a radical solution to the key economic component of the demographic problem, as I see it, has remained unchanged.

If money is allocated monthly to a closed account for children from birth to adulthood, and upon reaching adulthood this money with interest will be enough to purchase from 1/3 to 1/2 of the housing in the region of their residence (options are possible here) - the problem as a whole will be solved.

Because a young family will automatically be able to purchase housing with from 2/3 to its full cost. They will not need to “huddle with their ancestors,” and most importantly, when their child is born, they will know that in due time he will not have to wander.

Until the child grows up, this money will work in the economy; he himself will know that the state values ​​him as a citizen of his country.

Also in that article of mine there is indicated a mechanism for interest-free lifetime rental of housing for young families who are unable to purchase it as property. This will also take the burden off their shoulders of having to pay off a multi-year debilitating mortgage, when questions of family expansion are often also postponed until the age of 35+.

These government support measures will be most real and effective.

In addition to the mechanisms indicated in the article, which have not lost their relevance, both in the task and in the complex, it is also worth taking into account the powerful impetus for the development of the domestic market and consumption, which would be a pleasant bonus to such a policy.

The Devil in Detail


In addition to this key decision, which I wrote about above, there are also smaller ones, but this makes them only a little less significant.

As already noted, the issue of convenience for a parent’s own time is also of utmost importance in our time. It’s not for nothing that in the USA, children are often transported to school by buses - this relieves the parent of the need to waste time before work, which, you see, is not always convenient. It is not at all necessary that by analogy, but probably this issue could be worked out in terms of preschool, school, and educational circles. Because the question is important - when two parents work, any logistics related to children are a known difficulty for them.

Even in the regular section of the child, someone has to take him and pick him up from there at some point. It’s good when people of the older generation can deal with this issue, but taking into account the rising retirement age and the fact that there are not healthy grandparents everywhere, it is also advisable to work on this issue.

Finally, yes, the issue of financial incentives.

But this issue is at the same time the most delicate - its incorrect solution will lead to the fact that many will give birth “for the sake of money,” and among these people there will be dysfunctional families, unable to give their children a future even if they have the means.

In general, the monetary moment is a very specific soil: the distribution of money raises the bar of human demands. This bar is similar to atomic orbitals - a filled niche is a sufficient state, a new orbital started creates a thirst for filling. “Helicopter money” immediately and in large quantities stimulates one-time requests from citizens, under which, in essence, there will be nothing but this money. So you should be extremely careful when distributing money - it is better, if possible, to remove the burden of spending money and time from parents where this can be done rationally and productively.

If the state can organize compensation for clubs, sections, kindergartens, or even ensure that they are free, this is definitely a plus.

If it can compensate and reasonably certify the practice of summer camps, it will make its contribution.

As for direct additional payments, from my point of view, this could be done through an increase in maternity payments for mothers, a fixed additional payment to working fathers (independent of the amount of their earnings) up to the age of children under 7 years old, for example.

Part of the closed funds that should be accrued for each child born (this was written above), or rather, a percentage of this money can and should be used from time to time as bonuses for the success (in education, for example, or creativity) and the activities of the child. A year without C grades, getting some places in school competitions - whatever, 5 thousand for each child’s birthday is unlikely to bankrupt the state.

The amount already accumulated in the account of 500 thousand at a bank deposit rate of 4% gives an annual income of 20 thousand rubles. This is not a lot of money, but 1/4 of this amount can be very pleasant for both the child and his parents, especially those with low incomes.

But the most important thing is, of course, attention and participation. Often this with the “+” sign is sorely lacking from our state.

All this will not disperse inflation - this money will still go into the real economy, something will be bought with it, it will be produced and taxes will be paid on it. On a national scale, this will stimulate production - and create jobs associated with it.

Finale


Economic support measures are not intended to solve all people’s problems and give them a freebie for being fruitful and multiplying. This is precisely a set of measures interconnected and existing both for the benefit of the state and for the benefit of the people.

The state can and should relieve people of some of the burdens that are unbearable for them - especially in those areas where it is difficult for them to cope on their own. By freeing them from even part of this burden, you make their vision of life easier and their outlook on the future more confident. This is an element of the environment where a person’s natural desire to leave offspring will not be crushed by several heavy slabs, the state will become closer to people, the economy will become faster, and most importantly, adolescents emerging from childhood will be able to begin to feel earlier not as a dependent element, but as full members of society .

In the next article, at the end of the series, I will consider demographic problems related to mentality and other factors.
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  1. -10
    12 December 2023 04: 10
    In the US, children are often transported to school by buses
    Yellow school buses in the USA appeared in the 70s on a wave of black love, when it was proposed not to create two layers - ghetto schools, where the oppressed and disadvantaged by social benefits study with corresponding results, and schools in white middle-class areas, where they actually study - and mix the children so that everyone is equal. Since schools do not travel on wheels, children from the ghetto were transported to schools in good areas by these buses. Something like this.
    1. +17
      12 December 2023 05: 07
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      Yellow school buses in the USA appeared in the 70s in the wake of black love

      School buses appeared much earlier than the fight against segregation in the United States. They were not yet yellow then and were horse-drawn. They were introduced for the convenience of schoolchildren, and not for the delivery of blacks to educational institutions
      1. 0
        12 December 2023 08: 18
        Probably not “the fight against segregation,” but “for segregation, against apartheid.”

        Exactly the opposite :)
        1. +3
          12 December 2023 10: 08
          Quote: S.Z.
          Probably not “the fight against segregation”, but “for segregation, against apartheid”

          Remind me when there was apartheid in the USA?
          1. +1
            12 December 2023 10: 18
            That's right, I got it wrong about segregation, I apologize.

            Apartheid is often synonymous with segregation, "division". That is, at the same time as segregation.
            1. +10
              12 December 2023 11: 03
              The author forgot about the main thing - we have no image of the future. There is only an image of the Soviet past. And they decided to smear him with “The Boy’s Word.” Where to take the family, what to prepare for? To the next “damned 90s”?
              1. +5
                12 December 2023 11: 44
                The author wrote about the “need for an image of the future” in a previous article on demography.
                1. +3
                  12 December 2023 12: 10
                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  The author wrote about the “need for an image of the future” in a previous article on demography.

                  I got acquainted, then the epilogue is not an epilogue. Who is to blame and what to do.
                  1. +10
                    12 December 2023 13: 14
                    Oh, these are questions beyond the scope of the article and even the cycle. The current system has not yet even reached the point of realizing the problem, and in society this awareness is not entirely far away, even taking into account a selection of comments where many in all seriousness suggested “taking away pensions” or “8th grade education for women” to solve the demographic problem. .
                    By forming an image close to the effective, we can wish to bring this effective closer and influence politics through parties, etc. We can, but it’s not at all necessary. Because by comparing “was”, “is” and “could have been” it is often possible to catch a trend of distance or moving away from “could have been” - we can evaluate the kinematics of the system in isolation from its propaganda powers. And if the efforts to introduce changes turn out to be above certain thresholds, prefer building personal strategies over collective ones.

                    This is how I floridly described a simple thing - “If the system steers in the wrong direction, then getting ready to evacuate in time is also an option.” History is full of sad stories about the fate of those who did not make it on time in other periods.
                    So the question is “is it necessary to stop or turn the roller around if the driver really wants to drive the way they are driving?” not so clear - maybe you just need to step away and stock up on popcorn. Because many of those who tried to do something with it have already died under the skating rink.
                    1. +5
                      12 December 2023 14: 50
                      This would be a rhetorical question. However, thank you for the detailed answer, I also appreciate Aesop. wink
                      1. -4
                        13 December 2023 02: 26
                        No kidding.
                        New peoples and nations are also needed.
                        Don't get hung up on "Russian"
                        If it takes 80 years to build and deliver it in the name of world peace...
                        Or?
                        Everything has a price. And weight in the world. And thermonuclear weapons.... And demographic weapons.
                        Is it believed that we have enough Sarmatian food?
                        There is no goal to develop demographic weapons. The onslaught of finances (Roma) and syas is sufficient for the Kremlin.... Or... /OR? WITHOUT GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF RUSSIANS AND RUSSIAN SPEAKERS (RUSSIAN WORLD).
                        SO THEY DECIDED THERE.
                        Are the deadlines for setting the task and R&D + in the Sarmatian series comparable with the development of a new demographic policy and its implementation? But the journalist Rogozin was not engaged in public, but internally in political discussions about childbirth, upbringing, growth
                2. +2
                  13 December 2023 02: 34
                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  the author wrote in a previous article on demography.

                  It was probably when I was unable to access the site for several days. He came late, left early... and all the time at the sites. But... we don’t seem to have a real image? I haven’t thought of this idea yet, I’ll write a little later
                3. +3
                  13 December 2023 16: 38
                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  The author wrote about the “need for an image of the future” in a previous article on demography.

                  We don’t even have an image of the REAL! In any case, it is not formed, just like the image of the future! Who are we??? Where are we??? Where we are going??? And where??? They say that we have a welfare state?????????
                  Before the Revolution, as the Level 2 Advisor wrote below? Before the Revolution --- it could be different: XX century, maybe XIX, maybe the Time of Troubles, maybe AD, maybe BC, maybe--- Neolithic, Paleolithic, Acheulean, Chelles, Holocene, Pleistocene , options are possible.
                  Most likely, we are now in feudalism. In that feudalism, when tendencies towards capitalism have already appeared, but they are stubbornly fought against, by the leaders who, of course, strive for a slave-owning system. And they often behave as if it has already arrived. True, the bourgeoisie are striving for this slave-owning system not only in Our Country, but in other countries too. At the same time, using various new words --- “sustainable development”, “climate agenda”......... Attempts to impose classes, with their differences, and a monarchy continue. People are still allowed to remember from time to time about some kind of free life, scientific progress, free education and treatment, astronautics, and other attributes of Socialism. At the same time, the USSR and Socialism continue to be denounced, first by one, then by the other. And the lack of social elevators continues. How all sorts of nasty things about today's Russia continue! For what??? In the USSR of the pre- and post-war years, Soviet people clearly knew --- Our Country is the best!!! Before the war, life significantly improved compared to what it was before the Revolution. Industrialization has taken place. It was a Russian Miracle performed by the Bolsheviks! We won victory over fascism. The destroyed farm was quickly restored. This is the second Russian Miracle! Sent a man into space. This is the third Russian Miracle!
                  Now what? The lies, the slander of the liberals continues, the past has been spoiled, calls to pay and repent have not gone away.
                4. 0
                  15 December 2023 15: 03
                  Dear Knell! I read your latest article. Then I read the previous ones, what can I say. The work was done well, it’s creditable. Although I don’t completely agree, there are many controversial points. The real discussion will have an academic scope. When I read about “lovers of the hammer and sickle”, then the further text was already quite clear for me. In terms of the direction of thoughts. For example: You did not consider where you could “look” for funds for the fund, except for the tax on individuals. individuals and pensioners (the specific amounts are not important). Just now V.V. Putin said that for 23 years. the banking sector earned 3+ trillion rubles. Only banks and only in a year. Next, the consulting bureaucracy? Did you fly to us from the planet Alpha_Centauri. Come down to earth. We need to soberly assess the situation here and now. As you write there, the devil is in the details. Example: At the moment, right now, the government’s policy in the field of demography is defragmented, half-hearted and inconsistent. The key issue is housing. Next in the chain is mortgage. Preferential mortgages have inflated the price bubble and unbalanced the market. In fact, a stop case has been set for young people, and it is she who gives birth. Stern people in formal suits pushed her aside with a broad gesture. They say, don’t interfere, we are making money here. Raising the key rate to 16% clearly means the end of the concessional lending program in July 2024. But the Central Bank warned what this would lead to such a mortgage and in this form. And you say cons. bureaucracy, IMHO bees are against honey.
                  And so much respect and sincere gratitude.
              2. +8
                12 December 2023 17: 39
                Quote: Civil
                The author forgot about the main thing - we have no image of the future. There is only an image of the Soviet past....

                hi Of course, there is an image of the future! But those “from above” prefer to remain silent about it and pretend to think it over. As well as about ideology request If you express plans for the image of the future at the top, about the country, it turns out that this future is cannibalistic, about the majority of the population and prosperous for the top.
                Two big differences

                Therefore they are silent, as if his image does not exist
                Summer 2017, waiting 100th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, I tried to find modern books on the topic in online stores. To my surprise, I saw a lot of children’s books about how well life was before the Revolution. How well the peasants lived and how joyfully they celebrated church holidays. How beautiful and different the clothes of the peasants of different provinces were. And rural schools and so on. .... How well and joyfully the workers lived in the apartments built by the factory owners... How beautifully they dressed... There were separate color pictures with images of costumes and everyday life... It was just some kind of blessing. And nothing about child labor and illiteracy, about sleeping on workbenches or working in shifts request , about family in the same room, but behind a curtain
                1. +2
                  12 December 2023 19: 49
                  In the summer of 2017, in anticipation of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, I tried to find modern books on the topic in online stores. To my surprise, I saw a lot of children’s books about how well life was before the Revolution.
                  Dmitry, at the height of perestroika, around 1991, I was struck by the fact that among the pile of new books in the store I came across a beautifully published pre-revolutionary book about the structure of the solar system. It was said seriously there. that the planets fly around the sun like airplanes. And the drawings are corresponding. Probably a children's book, but it struck me with its primitive level for the end of the twentieth century.
                  1. +3
                    12 December 2023 20: 42
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    .....pre-revolutionary book about the structure of the solar system. It was said seriously there. that the planets fly around the sun like airplanes. And the drawings are corresponding. Probably a children's book, but it struck me with its primitive level for the end of the twentieth century.

                    Good evening, Sergey! There are also reprint editions. And that's okay. wink But children's books about the wonderful life under the Tsar were published just in the second decade of the 21st century. True, I also found good books then, (with respect) if not about the Revolution of 1917 itself, then about that time.
                    1. +1
                      12 December 2023 21: 07
                      Hello, Dmitry. This primitive made such an impression on me in 1992 as the image of the Earth on three elephants. Yes, in fact, this is how it was - denial of everything from 1917 to 1991. The insanity grew stronger. The slogan “Lenin is a German spy” was in effect from the summer of 1917 to the summer of 1918, when Lenin ordered the Black Sea Fleet to be sunk so that it would not fall to the Germans (good spy!), but this slogan had an effect on the snickering Soviet man in the street in the late 80s and early 90s trouble-free. And now it also works on the alternatively gifted.
                      1. +3
                        12 December 2023 21: 24
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ..... The slogan “Lenin is a German spy” was in effect from the summer of 1917 to the summer of 1918, when Lenin ordered the Black Sea Fleet to be sunk so that the Germans would not get it (a good spy!), but the snickering Soviet man in the street in the late 80s - early 90s 's this slogan worked flawlessly. And now it also works on the alternatively gifted.

                        With German punctuality and the preservation of archives, about a “German spy”, they would certainly have announced this before WW2, during it, or, as a last resort, now, if there was something to provide in wassat evidence
                      2. 0
                        12 December 2023 21: 35
                        Yes, of course it’s nonsense, but it works! Professional Marxists-Leninists will not let you lie; they themselves believed.
                      3. +2
                        12 December 2023 21: 39
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ....Professional Marxists-Leninists will not let you lie, they themselves believed.

                        This is news to me recourse I don’t even know what to say... although it happens that the left today is very surprising.
                      4. 0
                        12 December 2023 21: 51
                        I had such a situation in Livadia a couple of years ago. The Novosibirsk ITPM ​​organized conferences there regularly. And one day in September I was invited to speak. The beach is right next to the Azor Hotel. While I was swimming there, my cell phone was stolen from my shorts. Sadly. I asked at the reception where I could buy a mobile phone and went there, it’s more than two kilometers one way. It was necessary to turn towards the store at the monument to Lenin, when I asked some old stump at Soyuzpechat how to get to the store, he proudly declared that it was necessary to turn at the monument to a German spy. There was no time to be sarcastic about his intelligence; it was evening, the store could close. But I made it. And then they put my mobile phone in my robe pocket in the room - it was not God knows what, it was shabby, about 10 years ago I bought it for 8 thousand. So that stump from the kiosk looked very much like a retired political worker.
                      5. +4
                        12 December 2023 22: 08
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        .... that stump from the kiosk looked very much like a retired political worker.

                        Who knows... maybe he just decided to amaze the visitor with his erudition fool No matter how many conversations at work there are about revolutionary topics or about the USSR, I have never heard of such nonsense. By the way, I haven’t heard any stubborn slander against the USSR either. I heard good things, heard some things about shortcomings, saw interest in my knowledge, but did not hear stubborn slander.
                        True, I met those who insisted on a good life under the tsar and the dawn of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1913
                      6. 0
                        12 December 2023 22: 11
                        You see, Dmitry, I immediately remembered one of our mutual acquaintances, also offended by the party and the government - all his adult life he climbed to the feeding trough, and when he almost got there, it disappeared.
                      7. +3
                        12 December 2023 22: 22
                        I don’t know whether he’s a spy or not, I personally haven’t caught him by the hand)) But here’s what’s noteworthy: Gorbachev and Yeltsin and many smaller figures, individual characters, were branded “agents of the West” some time ago and even now (those who are not in jail or escaped) periodically throw out the idea that the current elites “led by” are also Western agents through and through.
                        So I fully admit that this is a traditional slander for our country, especially since under the temporary detention center they also loved to brand party competitors with the same “vile hire of the pernicious West/fascists.”
                        Generally speaking, it’s not only our crazy people who are mowing at something like this, remember the same adventures of Trump in the USA. It’s difficult to really understand this whole topic multiplied by propaganda and time, and there’s no need to, to be honest, it’s a thing of the past :-).
                        Sorry for interfering with your discussion)
                      8. +1
                        12 December 2023 22: 33
                        hi
                        traditional slander

                        How to say, how to say recourse . There must be arguments, and with the current information, they are provided. Unlike previous times, when documents appeared years later. hi
                      9. 0
                        12 December 2023 22: 50
                        It depends on what counts as arguments. Many politicians interact with politicians of other states, often even having business or business interests there, friendly relations, likes and dislikes. In some cultures this is interpreted as a bribe and unacceptable, in others it is perceived as “more flexible”. The same Leonid Ilyich was awarded a mass of foreign awards, which may well be interpreted as a veiled bribe or one of the ways to get what he wanted from a politician from another country. For example, if we, without agreement with Trump, based on our interests, support his coming to power (but he will not know about it) - how will the American side prove that we are not connected? After all, if he wanted, he could delegate powers regarding the conduct of the election campaign to some group of people, and one of them could, on his own initiative, “finish it” in order to achieve the goal. And go find it and prove it, again.
                        So in most cases there are too large amounts of incomplete information. The same Gorbach, by analogy with LIB, could willingly accept rewards, but whether this meant cooperation or not is difficult to establish.
                        The same EBN could, by analogy with Trump, conduct business through some structures without delving into the essence of their activities and wanting results - or could simply be beneficial to Washington, be its “blind agent.” But if we admit this kind of guilt, then each of us can get to the bottom of the fact that we are agents of the State Department or the People's Republic of China :-) For people vested with power, the volume of contacts and opportunities will always exclude a 100% analysis of their actions, there will always be understatement and grounds for speculation (whether justified or not).
                      10. +1
                        13 December 2023 11: 40
                        the same Leonid Ilyich...

                        hi Have a good day! As for the orders, this was probably the way it was then. Mutually. Ours rewarded their officials, they rewarded ours. And here are the cars! They gave it. And Leonid Ilyich collected something else.... recourse like a gunrequest But I could be wrong about this
                      11. 0
                        13 December 2023 08: 20
                        especially since under the temporary detention center they also loved to brand party competitors with the same “dastardly hirer of the pernicious West/fascists”
                        About branding. Ideological agents of influence (as they came to be called at the end of the twentieth century) are very rare, if at all. Mercantile interest is always present. As for the time of the temporary detention center - the wording in those accusatory articles is now somewhat surprising (Japanese spies, etc.), but I think that in half the cases they really were. The same G.S. Lyushkov, who fled to the Japanese in 1938.
                      12. 0
                        13 December 2023 11: 32
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ..... Mercantile interest is always present. As for the time of the temporary detention center - the wording in those accusatory articles is now somewhat surprising (Japanese spies, etc.), but I think that in half the cases they really were. The same G.S. Lyushkov, who fled to the Japanese in 1938.

                        bully good morning, Sergey! I think that they, accused and confessed by various spies, did this themselves as quickly as possible, probably trying to conclude an agreement so that they would not expose their loved ones, both official relatives and mistresses, to illegitimate children, their divorced wives and children. Probably, in this “table of ranks”, it was preferable to be considered a Japanese or other spy than to be a Trotskyist. Factions were prohibited. And all the Trotskyists wanted to overthrow Stalin, according to their theory.
                        P.S. !! Yezhov fulfilled his promise to Tukhachevsky; his loved ones were not shot. But the aunts who had served time were still released.
                      13. +2
                        13 December 2023 18: 35
                        I think that they, accused and confessed by various spies, did this themselves as quickly as possible, probably trying to conclude an agreement so that they would not expose their loved ones, both official relatives and mistresses, to illegitimate children, their divorced wives and children.
                        No, Dmitry. Think. that “Japanese, Polish and other spies” were real. About the same as now - aren’t different limitrophes really fighting against us? Another thing is that these spies suddenly appeared en masse in the Yagoda-Yezhov times, then the NKVD served in favor of the vertical power structure. But in the end it didn't help. It would be interesting to provide statistics on convicted foreign spies under various heads of the NKVD.
                      14. +1
                        13 December 2023 18: 53
                        laughing but I still think that the main thing for those arrested was to save their loved ones. Of course, there were various spies, but not in such numbers and not at the top. It would be beneficial for the Japanese to create a spy network and DRG closer to their islands. Moreover, it is convenient that the small peoples of the Far East had a Mongoloid appearance and could speak Russian poorly or not know Russian at all.
                        About German spies. They may have leaked out when various specialists went to the USSR for industrialization. German ones too. But it could have been different. Among those who arrived there were many supporters of Trotsky; they did not know that his name was now being erased from everywhere and if they did not understand the situation, they would be shot.
                      15. +1
                        13 December 2023 20: 51
                        Moreover, it is convenient that the small peoples of the Far East had a Mongoloid appearance and could speak Russian poorly or not know Russian at all.
                        But this is the main reason for the deportation of our Koreans to Kazakhstan after 1938. Small peoples - they are small, who needs them in the taiga or tundra? And the Koreans lived spontaneously in the border areas.
                      16. +1
                        12 December 2023 22: 35
                        After updating the site I had a problem. If I write at the same time as my interlocutor, my comment disappears request I'll try again.
                      17. 0
                        12 December 2023 22: 42
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ..... climbed to the feeder, and when he almost got there, it disappeared.

                        crying crying So what now? Cry all your life or spit venom? Yes, this was a terrible drama, it can cripple both inside and outside, deprive you of sleep, appetite and mental abilities. Only now, with the capitalism, this is already the norm. The hopes of many are destroyed, plans do not come true..... young (and not so young) somehow cope with this and move on with their lives. I got calls hi
                      18. 0
                        13 December 2023 08: 09
                        So what now? Cry all your life or spit venom?
                        This is exactly what happens to them, to these organisms. No one forced me to do crap for which they paid well. There were a lot of things to do, but this was chosen. And now, it turns out, “the regime forced us to glorify the Only True Teaching.” They sob and spit.
                2. +2
                  13 December 2023 15: 05
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  To my surprise, I saw a lot of children’s books about how well life was before the Revolution. How well the peasants lived and how joyfully they celebrated church holidays. How beautiful and different the clothes of the peasants of different provinces were. And rural schools and so on. .... How well and joyfully the workers lived in the apartments built by the factory owners......

                  I don’t agree that we have returned to “before the revolution,” so this is not so important, and people always rejoiced at something, fell in love and gave birth - even before the revolution, but that’s not what we’re talking about... rather, we are generally in some kind of third place. .. even under the tsar there was an image of the future and the majority in the country believed in it and understood it... I personally don’t think it’s possible at all to give a forecast for 5-10 years in advance, what will happen in Russia and with Russia.. what kind of child should we give birth to? except to believe in all the good things, but personally my brain does not allow such freedom..
                  1. +1
                    13 December 2023 15: 41
                    Quote: 2 level advisor
                    ... rather, we are generally in some kind of third place ... even under the tsar there was an image of the future and the majority in the country believed in it and understood it ... I personally don’t think it’s possible to give a forecast for 5-10 years in advance, ... ..

                    hi As for the forecast, there seem to be two options. recourse And which way will the Russian Federation go? But maybe according to the third? I’m now trying to formulate an answer to the Author, which I’ve been wanting to write since yesterday, it will be higher and somehow, perhaps it will be interesting to you too?
                    I do not agree that we have returned to "before the Revolution"

                    I didn’t write this, at least here. wink I'm glad you wrote this phrase, I finally thought of the image of the present. Now I’ll go look at those comments and write a response there wink
                    1. +1
                      13 December 2023 16: 41
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      I’m now trying to formulate an answer to the Author, which I’ve been wanting to write since yesterday, it will be higher and somehow, perhaps it will be interesting to you too?

                      it will definitely be interesting hi
              3. Aag
                0
                15 December 2023 00: 06
                Quote: Civil
                The author forgot about the main thing - we have no image of the future. There is only an image of the Soviet past. And they decided to smear him with “The Boy’s Word.” Where to take the family, what to prepare for? To the next “damned 90s”?

                ... Just, thanks for the simple (seemingly) question.
                hi
      2. +3
        12 December 2023 09: 38
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        School buses appeared much earlier than the fight against segregation in the United States.
        Of course, given the distances in the USA, as a result of the urban population living in townhouses, not private houses. It’s a very long walk for most kids to get to school. hi
    2. +2
      12 December 2023 08: 22
      Sometimes not buses.
      The United States is obsessed with the formal implementation of laws. In those years, our newspapers published a photograph of a black girl going to school, and she was accompanied by an armored car. The article noted that this girl is the only black girl in the school, and she is accompanied by police officers, and even during class a policeman sits in the classroom so that the girl is not offended.

      The article denounced racism in the USA, although I read something else in the article - the bigotry of the USA regarding laws.
    3. +5
      12 December 2023 11: 46
      It doesn’t matter when and why these buses appeared - what matters is the principle. The principle is that when two parents work, the child can be taken to school or a group centrally. Yes, this will not be possible to organize everywhere, yes, perhaps it will not be a big bus but something like a minibus - but the principle itself looks quite relevant for our country.
    4. +2
      12 December 2023 13: 14
      Yellow school buses in the USA appeared in the 70s in the wake of black love

      Yellow school buses appeared in the United States in the 1892th century to transport children to school. Back then they were still horse-drawn carriages. In the photo - "yellow school bus" - XNUMX.
    5. +1
      12 December 2023 17: 14
      In the states, one-story suburbs are common that are spread over large areas, and schoolchildren are transported from these areas by buses.
      Our schools are small in size, but there are many of them, within walking distance, while in the USA there is a huge school for an entire region and is more like a college town with several stadiums and many buildings, rather than a school. Students from the region are brought to this student city by bus.
      1. +2
        13 December 2023 08: 56
        Overall I don't disagree with what you wrote. But I’m willing to argue about walking distance even in large regional centers. I myself lived almost a kilometer from the school, and now the situation with the child is even worse. In the city center, the school is almost 1,5 km away in a straight line, and if along the roads and crossing the highway, then almost 2 km. Now tell me where, in which low-rise block it’s worse? City planning and architecture can be so ugly that they will undo a good half of the achievements of civilization.
        The architecture and layout of the regional center is almost impossible to correct and the situation continues to deteriorate catastrophically. So it is still unknown which development is better, remediable low-rise or incorrigible high-rise.
  2. +8
    12 December 2023 04: 25
    Young parents cannot be separated from their grandparents... they are like insurance to help out in a difficult situation with children.
    Unfortunately, the urbanization of human settlements naturally tears numerous families into isolated fragments and, as a result of difficulties with raising children... there is no one to look after the child.
    It is necessary to build cities not upward with hundreds of floors, but horizontally with cottages and good roads in which large families with grandparents could live.
    Unfortunately these are dreams.
    1. +7
      12 December 2023 08: 45
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is necessary to build cities not upward with hundreds of floors, but horizontally with cottages and good roads in which large families with grandparents could live.
      Unfortunately these are dreams.

      It’s all the more surprising that there’s no end to the earth, but we’re still hovering around...
      1. +2
        12 December 2023 09: 21
        It’s all the more surprising that there’s no end to the earth, but we’re still hovering around...

        But for some reason, the “Moscow patch” costs much more than the “land without edge” of the far north... And I can even guess why... lol
      2. +2
        13 December 2023 18: 36
        Quote: Doccor18
        .....It’s all the more surprising that there is no end to the earth, but we’re all stuck together...

        And there is an explanation for this. Benefits for banks and capitalists
        1. +1
          13 December 2023 22: 08
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And there is an explanation for this. Benefits for banks and capitalists

          Yes, it began even before the revolution, but even after 70 years of socialism it has not outlived its usefulness, and now it has blossomed with renewed vigor. Private houses in villages and small towns look especially funny, as if they want to climb on top of each other, and around there are fields, endless fields...
          1. +1
            13 December 2023 22: 26
            We have townhouses on Poklonnaya Gora. Cute. But they are very close to each other and there are very narrow paths between them. It is difficult for oncoming traffic.
            1. +1
              13 December 2023 22: 40
              And townhouses in our country are generally crazy, nothing else, we all take fashion from Europe, from Belgium and Holland, so not every student can find them on the map of the World...
              Here, some commentators and the author of the article write that private houses are expensive and unaffordable for the budget... And how much does a good city two-room apartment in a new building cost now? Yes, for that kind of money you can rebuild a cottage like this, the area will be three times larger...
              1. +1
                14 December 2023 09: 11
                In our country, townhouses seem to be profitable, but somehow they are very close together and the plots are very tiny, comparable to a small room. Their advantage is that they are still located within the city limits; it happens that where large houses are inconvenient. Or ground subsidence or terrain
                But new studio apartments are becoming smaller and smaller. In general, 9-meter studios were promoted in Moscow in the new man-made structure. And it was proven that this is very good. About 20 years ago I saw a 3-meter kitchen in our house, it is 1,5 × 2 in size. I was amazed. Corridor 2 m, room 20. How to increase the demographics in such an apartment?
                1. +1
                  14 December 2023 13: 35
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  A 3 meter kitchen is 1,5 × 2 in size. I was amazed. Corridor 2 m, room 20. How to increase the demographics in such an apartment?

                  No way. It was after the revolution that people huddled in communal apartments and multiplied, but now this will not happen. Life has become too expensive, and propaganda is firmly ingrained in our heads; everyone wants to live with dignity. There is nothing that can be done about demographics; it is impossible by changing only some little things. We need a complete high-quality transition. But who will implement it? Yes, even if there are patriotic forces, they will not be given...
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  It seems like townhouses are profitable here,

                  How to look... A townhouse is more expensive than an apartment, but cheaper than a cottage.
          2. +1
            15 December 2023 00: 20
            And my heart hurts when agricultural land is built up with these cottages.
            1. 0
              15 December 2023 00: 24
              And my heart hurts when I see what is happening to our areas: empty village houses and fields overgrown with birch trees. Once upon a time, our grandfathers uprooted forests here, built houses and sowed rye...
      3. 0
        15 December 2023 00: 18
        The entire Moscow region has been polluted by this one- or two-story construction.
    2. -5
      12 December 2023 09: 22
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is necessary to build cities not upward with hundreds of floors, but horizontally with cottages and good roads in which large families with grandparents could live.
      Unfortunately these are dreams.

      Just because any city with a population of over a million will immediately ahhh the traffic will creep in all directions and you will need roads/shops/schools/hospitals...
      What's the use of our new clinic if doctors don't want to work in our village with the private sector?
      It will be the same in cities - no one will want to live in the middle of nowhere
      1. +8
        12 December 2023 10: 55
        Quote: your1970
        What's the use of our new clinic if doctors don't want to work in our village with the private sector?

        They don't want to work due to lack of staff/monstrous workload and very mediocre salaries. The private sector has nothing to do with it.
        1. -7
          12 December 2023 11: 55
          Quote: Doccor18
          lack of personnel/monstrous workload and very mediocre salaries. The private sector has nothing to do with it.

          This is precisely what it has to do with it - a larger area will require more hospitals. This will cause large expenditures on their construction and maintenance - which will lead to overload with work and salary cuts.
          A man advocates for one-story cities - like they will save everything
          1. +3
            12 December 2023 13: 07
            There is no need to rush from one extreme to another, a reasonable balance is needed. In some places the private sector will be good, even in cities with a population of over a million, but in others its presence, like inside the Moscow Ring Road, will be an unaffordable luxury.
            The most important thing here is cost and cost. The cost of housing in a high-rise building is many times lower than in the private sector. However, if we see the selling price, then the opposite is observed. Apartments are completely unaffordable at prices, and private housing construction can be realized if a plot is available.
            Advocating exclusively for multi-storey construction means moving into a dead end, which was what was observed when, in the late 60s and early 70s, the private sector was massively demolished and apartments were given out according to suffocating standards. Then the visible decline in demographics began.
            The process then was quite meaningful and manageable.
          2. +5
            12 December 2023 17: 21
            Quote: your1970
            That’s exactly what it has to do with it - a larger area will need more hospitals

            Hospitals are built per unit of population, not per unit of area. And what prevents you from covering 20-25 km? on a good road? The number of hospitals will increase slightly, but the number of paramedics and midwifery stations and small ambulance stations will have to increase significantly.
            Quote: your1970
            This will cause large costs for their construction and maintenance, which will lead to overload with work and salary cuts.

            You see, the state is generally a costly business, no matter where you look there are only expenses... The whole question is in the material and technical base of the economy and the level of social orientation. If you don’t invest in your people, then the state is doomed...
            Quote: your1970
            A man advocates for one-story cities - like they will save everything

            Naturally, low-rise mass construction will not solve all problems, but what the person is right about is that in private houses/townhouses families are not so cramped and are usually larger, with more children there.
            1. 0
              12 December 2023 18: 09
              Quote: Doccor18
              And what prevents you from covering 20-25 km? on a good road?
              -well, for example, the lack of cars. At their current cost....
              Quote: Doccor18
              but the number of paramedic and midwife stations and small ambulance stations will have to be increased significantly.
              - Now, with a fairly limited number of hospitals, the number of doctors is not enough. You think with an increase in times - doctors suddenly will there be more?
              in low-rise construction, one plus is the constant need for repairs/reconstruction. This will push the production of building materials and increase the labor market
              1. +3
                12 December 2023 22: 45
                Quote: your1970
                Well, for example, the lack of cars. At their current cost....

                Yeah, you can't argue with that. You can’t bestow foreign “Muscovites” on everyone...
                Well, for emergency situations, there is an ambulance, and for scheduled consultations you can call a taxi, it won’t ruin the family budget.
                Quote: your1970
                Now, with a fairly limited number of hospitals, there are not enough doctors. Do you think that with the increase by several times, there will suddenly be more doctors?

                There are no doctors at first aid stations or emergency rooms. The problem is acute specifically with doctors, because they are, as they say, “a one-piece, ultra-expensive product,” but with paramedics and nurses it is easier. They study not 8-9, but 3-4 years; there are still plenty of medical colleges. And their knowledge is quite enough to provide primary assistance and give practical advice. And for complex cases, high-tech care - welcome to the hospital.
                Quote: your1970
                Low-rise construction has one plus - the constant need for repairs/reconstruction. This will push the production of building materials and increase the labor market

                And not only. A private house and garden plot mean constant, daily physical labor. There must be a man-owner in the house “with hands”, otherwise everything will collapse. Therefore, it is from the private sector that the majority of strong business guys come out, accustomed to work from childhood, who know how to handle a shovel, and animals, and weapons, and tools. They are more adapted to the harsh everyday life than the pampered city “lilies of the valley”...
    3. +3
      12 December 2023 11: 54
      In my old series of articles there was a discussion about low-rise cottage construction. There is skepticism that this is a way out for our country because organizing classical heating for dispersed development, even if it is possible, is not economically feasible. That is, residents will have to heat themselves with gas or electricity - these are also costs and burdens. There are many problems of this kind, unfortunately. It's very expensive, with roads and other things. This option is for a much greater wealth of the population than we have now. So, of course, it would be much better than the human races..
  3. +9
    12 December 2023 04: 45
    In general, breaking is not building.
    If you make a list of what needs to be done, it becomes clear that you don’t have to start, there are no conditions to fulfill.

    Except for one, untested option. The less education, the higher the birth rate - but this has only been verified for bottom-up, developing countries. Whether it will work for a country where there was good education, how many generations it takes for the influence to go away is not known.
    Nevertheless, there is a realistically feasible project, resources and groundwork. And there will be no problems with “foreign specialists” from Turkmenistan - everyone will be on the same level.

    True, it is not clear why such a country would be needed... Apart from oil and gas producers...
  4. +6
    12 December 2023 04: 49
    Even if the population of the country is considered “oil”, then even in this case it is necessary to invest. And then, instead of the dull sale of raw materials for pennies, you can sell not even gasoline, but products made from high-tech plastics, figuratively speaking...
    1. +3
      12 December 2023 08: 50
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Even if the country's population is considered "oil"

      And who considers it “oil”? They fight for oil, search for it, come up with the most optimal methods of extraction... Something like this is not observed with the population. Everyone rakes out as best they can, and those who can’t, then “don’t raked out”...
  5. +7
    12 December 2023 05: 11
    The state can and should relieve people of some of the burdens that are unbearable for them - especially in those areas where it is difficult for them to cope on their own.
    It depends on what state.
    1. +4
      12 December 2023 12: 00
      Which “sort of” wants to preserve its power and cultural identity.
      Here, by analogy with plants - if you carefully plant, fertilize and water on time, the germination rate is much higher than if you just scatter the seeds and do nothing. At some point, there comes a point beyond which the organizer must put in more effort for greater results.
      We don’t seem to be really catching up with this campaign..
  6. +1
    12 December 2023 07: 22
    Firstly, demography should be studied by demographers, not officials. The family should feel taken care of all the time, and not just when payments are made for the child. Here clichés get in the way of how not to do it, as it was in the USSR. But this happened not only in the USSR, but also in many countries. Free medicine was not the destiny of the USSR. This method is used by a dozen countries around the world, which can hardly be suspected of craving for socialism. You can’t be a hostage to your ideas. The world is developing. And you have to take the best.
  7. +1
    12 December 2023 07: 41
    The main world processes of Civilization were the processes of development of democracy, and on the other hand, the process of concentration of capital and power. But the second turned out to be clearly stronger than the first.

    In a world dominated by international corporations - the classical state, private property, family and, consequently, classical gender relations - all this becomes an anachronism.
    Everything goes according to the Bible, but the end result is “the abomination of desolation”
  8. +4
    12 December 2023 07: 50
    With apartments, you came up with this well, however: housing is becoming more expensive and quickly, faster than the percentage of savings. Enough for half an apartment in your region of residence? Well, that is, a person was born in Moscow, he’s hurt, but in the village - well, in the village he’ll get his half a house.
    1. +2
      12 December 2023 12: 11
      In the old article, the distribution of housing as such was tied to a complex, the essence of which was to create a huge pool of money, through which housing would be built, loans would be issued at low interest rates, and these savings would be made in “children’s” accounts. Among other things, the purpose of this pool would be to keep inflation at an extremely low level.
      In fact, we produce everything key for the construction of houses at home (with the possible exception of some equipment), so that the state is able to maintain prices for “input”, and since the construction itself will also be directly or indirectly handled by the state (or through tenders, either through campaigns with state participation, or through state campaigns) and it will also operate the fund - then the builder will be placed within a fairly strict framework that does not include greed. It would be possible to tie the right to participate in large construction tenders (factories, power plants, sports and infrastructure facilities) for campaigns to the scheduled delivery of a certain number of residential properties.
      That is, if a campaign wants more profit, it will have to resolve this issue with less profit.

      One way or another, the mechanisms all exist - including the formation of a pool of regional supplement to the “children’s” account (similar to the “Moscow pension supplement”).
      1. +1
        13 December 2023 09: 33
        You're looking at abstractions, financial policy. But we need to consider public policy, look specifically at the norms and rules. For example, I heard that in Israel houses are built in such a way that the top floor can be rented out to tenants. In our country, this is, to put it mildly, not encouraged. Namely, a house with several separate entrances is a house for several generations, that is, for a large family. We need to start with public policy and money is not in the first place. There will be goals, and there will be money.
        But if you have architects from the Baltic states, such as Mart Port, who create Khrushchev-style layouts with adjacent rooms, and are not punished for this, but are encouraged, then nothing good will come of it.
  9. +4
    12 December 2023 08: 03
    . It is impossible to increase everyone’s salaries; this will give a short-term effect, followed by there will be inflation.

    Why is she not there now? Yes, we never got out of chronic inflation. We found something to scare!
  10. +3
    12 December 2023 08: 14
    The fact that people don’t give birth in rich countries (not in all of them) only means that life there is wrong.

    This can happen even with material wealth. This means that behavioral models are designed in such a way that they do not imply the presence of many children there.

    What do these behavioral patterns depend on? From ideology and the real (not declared) value system. And, of course, from the material component and social benefits in the form of free kindergartens, free classes, free education, affordable housing...
    1. +2
      12 December 2023 09: 51
      Quote: Stas157
      The fact that people don’t give birth in rich countries (not in all of them) only means that life there is wrong.

      Or about overpopulation. For example, in the EU, the density is so great that if all of China were to be resettled in Russia, down to the last person. The population density in Russia will still be less than in the EU. Maybe they don’t need such a larger population?
      1. +2
        12 December 2023 17: 12
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Or about overpopulation.

        If we take analogies from nature, then a decrease in the birth rate occurs due to a decrease in the food supply. In the EU, the food supply is still fine. Perhaps an example from nature may not seem entirely correct, but man is also a part of nature.
  11. +4
    12 December 2023 08: 17
    It’s impossible to increase salaries for everyone, this will give a short-term effect, followed by inflation
    And that it once wasn’t there? laughing What planet are you from?
    1. +3
      12 December 2023 09: 54
      Obviously, where the government lives, it’s a pity that its name was never announced then, otherwise we would know now. laughing
  12. +2
    12 December 2023 08: 29
    Many thanks to the Author for continuing such an important topic. Although I do not agree with some of the Author's conclusions and suggestions, I sincerely respect his desire and efforts.

    I believe that the demographic problem of Russians is the main threat to our future, our national security as a nation and as a state.

    Alas, I think that we are doomed, like all other European nations. I believe that the leadership of the country thinks the same way as me, and therefore they decided to save what they can, that is, the state, the country, and not the people in the “genetic” sense.

    At least efforts to develop the state are visible, but efforts to save the nation are not visible. There is not even an idea of ​​how to do this and there are no examples of how such a problem has been successfully solved somewhere else.
  13. +13
    12 December 2023 08: 33
    I’m 34, I don’t have my own apartment, I don’t have a family, I work for the state, at a job that requires as many as two higher educations, in November I received as much as 32 thousand rubles. As they say, guess what country I live in....
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    2. +7
      12 December 2023 09: 29
      I received as much as 32 thousand rubles
      If you drink on such a salary, you can get cirrhosis of the liver, and if you do, obesity. laughing Cultural workers in rural areas receive even less. But they will soon disappear and they won’t have to pay wages. There is no money, but they are still holding on.
      1. +7
        12 December 2023 09: 52
        I don’t know how it is now, but before, cultural workers in rural settlements had their salaries raised interestingly after the president’s demand to solve this problem. The salary did increase, but there was a small nuance. Since there was no money in local budgets to increase wages, they simply cut rates, i.e. transferred the same librarians to half-time, or even a quarter of the time. I don’t know whether it was one-eighth of the bet, I won’t lie.
    3. +2
      12 December 2023 09: 55
      Ivory Coast or Burkina Faso? laughing
      1. +3
        12 December 2023 10: 19
        If you are talking about rates, it was not in Burkina Faso, but in the Pskov region several years ago, specifically the Palkinsky district.
        1. +4
          12 December 2023 10: 30
          There is simply no emoticon of bitter irony and sarcasm. And so, with my salary, I survive from horseradish to water.
    4. -3
      12 December 2023 11: 49
      Quote from turembo
      I’m 34, I don’t have my own apartment, I don’t have a family, I work for the state, at a job that requires as many as two higher educations, in November I received as much as 32 thousand rubles. As they say, guess what country I live in....

      And you add, “I’m a civil servant!” and they will kick you "The damned bureaucrat!!! He's getting fat on the people's money!! He gets as much as 32 in one mug"...
  14. +1
    12 December 2023 08: 43
    “But it is impossible to increase everyone’s salaries; this will give a short-term effect, followed by inflation.”

    That's a very difficult question. It starts with what is the share of wages in the cost of the final product in our country and in developed countries, what is the distribution of this share between categories of workers (management and specialists), and what is our labor productivity in relation to others.

    I don’t have the numbers; publicly available numbers differ and depend on the source, so I can’t say for sure whether anything can be done here.

    That is, under certain conditions, the share of wages can be increased or redistributed without damage, but on the contrary, with benefit for the economy.
    1. +3
      12 December 2023 12: 18
      The most effective will be wage growth associated with general economic and production growth. Otherwise, it will be either homeopathy (on a scale and not targeted), or a redistribution of what is available between groups, which, in general, will also not give a really significant increase.
      IMHO it is better to focus on keeping inflation within some insignificant limits and benefits, rather than chasing big numbers. Now that pack of dumplings that I bought four years ago costs stupidly 2.5.-3 times more expensive, despite the fact that during this time the salary has not even increased by 50%. And so with most products,least doubled in price during this time.
      At the current inflation rates, with “increases in wages” we will reach Zimbabwe’s salary with its trillions in my lifetime.
      1. 0
        13 December 2023 18: 05
        How it was in the "Pedagogical Poem"
        I run to the buffet
        There's not a penny of money
        Exchange ten million!
        sad
  15. +8
    12 December 2023 08: 52
    This is not a society in collective stagnation, but a government that does nothing but enrich itself, therefore ordinary citizens, subject to taxes and loans, will not give birth...inflation is again a problem of the government, which, instead of developing production within the country, only collects natural rent By selling raw materials, we are a country on the periphery, on which the West used to, and now China will impose its costs... the problem of demography in the Russian Federation is 90% poverty of the working population...
    1. -7
      12 December 2023 09: 26
      Quote: Yaroslavsky
      a government that does nothing but enrich itself, so ordinary citizens subject to taxes and loans will not give birth..

      Quote: Yaroslavsky
      we are a periphery country,

      Is Switzerland also a country in the periphery with a birth rate equal to ours?
      1. +4
        12 December 2023 09: 54
        Is it correct to compare Mercedes and Lada, my dear?)
        1. -4
          12 December 2023 10: 43
          Quote: Yaroslavsky
          Is it correct to compare Mercedes and Lada, my dear?)

          Is there a BIG difference?
          Both there and there they don’t give birth - Mercedes and Zhiguli drive along the same road on round wheels on gasoline with the same speed, the same exhaust on the same oils with approximately the same fuel consumption. Birds shit on both equally and dirt sticks. To get to the final point - do both
          One is more comfortable, the other is cheaper.

          If there were 5-7 children in Switzerland, then yes
          In the end, they don’t give birth either here or there.
          Moreover, the decline here began in the mid-1970s
          1. +5
            12 December 2023 11: 07
            It’s in the mentality of Switzerland to have few children, take care of yourself while having a very good standard of living.... under the USSR we had confidence in the future, the country was growing in population, we have the experience of large families... it’s incorrect to compare, I repeat, once again Zhiguli and Mercedes, completely different technical devices, drive differently, the speed is different, the exhaust is different, again, the oils, the consumption are completely different... as for birds and dirt here and in Switzerland, again in different ways) your comparison option is completely losing)
            1. -4
              12 December 2023 18: 16
              Quote: Yaroslavsky
              once again Lada and Mercedes, completely different technical devices
              - absolutely identical devices - difference in comfort. All...
              As soon as a Mercedes starts flying or jumping, it will become different. But Tesla is already different
              In the meantime, it has an engine/wheels/gearbox/brakes/fuel/exhaust - it’s the same Pepelats even with Zaporozhets.
              Quote: Yaroslavsky
              the speed is different,
              -Oh yeah!
              While he drives 4 km in a traffic jam for 6 hours in Moscow, I get to the regional center (4 km) in the same 200 hours and return back.
          2. +5
            12 December 2023 12: 24
            In Europe, they have long been growing on the capacity of their states. In the same Germany - 1939 (under 70 lyams) - 2021 (under 83 lyams), which fits into the progress of multi-storey construction, but the population capacity of the state has long been quite saturated. And territorially and economically, doubling this population would no longer be something good, people feel it.
            The same is true in Switzerland and most EU countries, although, of course, there are simply states with outright demographic stagnation (such as the Baltic states).
  16. -4
    12 December 2023 09: 12
    Complete nonsense and nonsense - an example of the Western philosophy of absolute liberalism, consumption, in which I - as a subject - exist only for myself and consume only for myself, not giving a damn about everyone around: parents, children, friends, relatives, which in its extreme form involves the destruction of everything that could interfere with this free consumption of mine.. The article is purely from a liberal obsessed with extreme liberal values: human freedom, the freedom of his personality, freedom, freedom and nothing but freedom.
    If we go back = to universal human and Christian values, then everything turns out exactly the opposite.
    1. Time is the problem of free time
    The greatest acquisition of civilization is free time, i.e. time freed from direct work aimed at ensuring subsistence. Moreover, the existence of not only one’s own – an individual person, but also his family, children, relatives. In this regard, this is not time that, as the author writes, “we prefer to spend based on our own aesthetic or economic needs. A hobby or part-time job, idle pastime or self-education,” and the time allocated by society and its development for self-development and, above all, the spiritual development of the individual. And this is precisely the greatest meaning of free time. It is not that a person can go “all out” during this time allotted to him, but that he, as a person with his own self-awareness, uses this time for his own spiritual development. If this is a hobby, then the pleasure of free labor, in which the best personal qualities are realized, is a reward for __??? What___. If this is self-development, then its highest goal is spiritual development. Even if self-development occurs on the basis of studying science. At the same time, free time does not in any way imply part-time work, which does not correspond to free time, but the receipt of additional material support to the main income if its value is insufficient, and idle time - personal degradation.
    2. Space – personal, personal
    This is what Western psychology is actively promoting, for example, Gestalt psychology, as a certain border beyond which no one else can and should not go, except the individual himself, and where the individual can feel completely isolated, separated from everyone and everything. Not only is this psychological boundary associated with the concept of space, which is alien to it, although it has nothing to do with space: it cannot be that it is in the consciousness of an individual - subject as his internal sense of self to be space, but this internal sense of self begins to be translated into outside the subject and take the form of limitation for other people and not only people. In this sense, the psychology of “personal space” is essentially a form of extreme subjectivism, separating the subject from the entire external world: from people, from things, from animals, placing the subject in absolute individuality, for which the external world becomes only a source of existence and consumption. In its extreme form, an individual limited by “personal space” and unable to get beyond its boundaries, for example, as unable to consume what advertising imposes on him, falls into depression, the way out of which is suicide.
    3. Well-being
    First of all, this welfare is not material security and does not refer to material security, although the author uses this term precisely in this meaning.
    Note to the author
    Normal material support - his earnings include not only the satisfaction of his immediate material needs, but also of his family, wife, children and elderly parents. In this sense, if the funds earned are not enough to normally meet these needs, then the provision cannot be normal. Therefore, if a working person’s salary is not enough to adequately provide for himself and his family, then, using the terminology of Marxism, this defines an extreme form of exploitation. And the further the salary is from normal support, the higher the exploitation.
    4. Demographics
    Demographic issues are not resolved through the construction of housing or the normal provision of each individual. Even if everyone is allocated an apartment, an apartment is also allocated to all his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, if everyone is provided with normal material support, demographic issues cannot be resolved. For example, Africa or Latin America, where, with an extremely low level of material support, the birth rate exceeds the birth rate in any developed and moderately developed country, or Europe, where, with sufficiently high material support and provision of housing for citizens, the birth rate is constantly falling.
    The problem of the birth rate lies in the area, firstly, of housing construction: urban housing construction with its closet type of housing cannot provide a normal existence for a family with a large number of children; secondly, in the conditions of a woman’s life in society: a woman, forced to provide for herself, cannot afford to have many children; thirdly, in ideology, in morality, the morality of society is that which is outside, above each individual person - an individual, a member of society, but which directly determines his behavior in society. In this sense, if ideology, morality, morality preach “personal space” = “life for oneself,” then there is no increase in salaries, construction of housing, etc. will not be able to pull society, the state out of the demographic hole, which, sooner or later, will swallow society itself.
    1. -5
      12 December 2023 09: 29
      Quote: The Truth
      In this sense, the psychology of “personal space” is essentially a form of extreme subjectivism, separating the subject from the entire external world: from people, from things, from animals, placing the subject in absolute individuality, for which the external world becomes only a source of existence and consumption.

      You present it beautifully!!! one thing is not clear - why in Soviet communal apartments was it the norm to spit in a neighbor’s pan??
    2. +5
      12 December 2023 09: 34
      Well, you know, in a zoo, animals reproduce well with good care, some species are true. smile And the slave owners’ slaves also became fruitful and multiplied. smile
  17. +4
    12 December 2023 09: 49
    Of course, I'm not much of an expert, but still. Your given article by the Author is more down-to-earth and more understandable from the point of view of thought and logic. Although...
    Regarding space and well-being. When there is the second, without the need to get into credit bondage with rather vague prospects for all this in the future, then the first is solved quite simply and the presence of children does not in any way infringe on these values. But we have a specific problem with “welfare” and therefore all we can do is “smile and wave.”
    Regarding time and buses, to save this very time. I started studying back in Soviet times and I walked to school and my classmates walked because the school was nearby and they gave the same Knowledge as at the school two stops from me or somewhere else, and that means there was no need to travel to the other end of the city, as many people are doing now, because in that school there is Something Better than the school under the window.
    И
    “Economic support measures are not intended to solve all people’s problems and give them a freebie for being fruitful and multiplying. This is precisely a set of measures interconnected and existing both for the benefit of the state and for the benefit of the people.”
    Citizens of some oil monarchies look at you with some bewilderment.
    1. +2
      12 December 2023 12: 34
      As was noted about “buses” - the task is to support not only logistics “to and from school”, we have more or less adequate coverage with schools, in cr. least in large cities. Mention was made about sections and circles - with this everything is much worse.
      And yes, during your Soviet youth there were much fewer pedophiles than now. So that's definitely a problem too.

      I specifically emphasized that it is possible to solve the issue of housing in a targeted manner for those who want it, because there are far fewer young families who want housing than there are people who want to have a “high salary.” It is impossible to increase salaries sharply for everyone, this cannot be a solution - this may be the ULTIMATE goal of all constructions, including demographics. It should also be noted that constructed housing is not subject to inflation - in contrast to large increases in salary, which are not ensured by an increase in labor productivity, quantity and quality of manufactured and sold products.
      In other words, it will be a “printing press” and a path to nowhere.
  18. +2
    12 December 2023 10: 19
    The Bible says, "What you sow is what you reap." [But in Russia they usually sow one thing, but something completely different grows
    The ideas of Christianity were sown for 1000 years, the ideas of communism were sown for 70 years, and theft and betrayal grew, unprecedented anywhere in the world - right up to the collapse of the country in peacetime.

    But the Russian people believe that “the root of trouble lies precisely in the ideas of justice that were sown.”
    The reason for the paradox is universal depravity to the marrow of the bones, to the point of madness.

    If among the 12 apostles of Christ there was one traitor, then in Russia among any twelve there are 11 traitors and one honest one, whom everyone considers an idiot.
    1. +3
      12 December 2023 12: 48
      I think that many of the consequences that we usually attach to causes actually have little to do with them.
      He is a man like a spring - if you squeeze him for a long time, he straightens up sharply when you release him. If you squeeze too hard it may break. In this country they have always loved to “reap” a person, relying not on his objective natural needs, but on some kind of virtual model - and crushed this “real” person this way and that, raped his brains and values, fed him game and forced him to memorize it.
      As a result, we always got latent xenophobia, the coexistence of life according to law and concepts, duality of morality and doublethink, and finally hard breakthroughs at the front, when the authorities “let go” for a while.

      When people were suppressed yesterday and they know that tomorrow there will be suppression - but today they are allowed to be outrageous, they will be outrageous from the heart am

      As for depravity, when the state fails over and over again without achieving its declared goals and leaving people with bare butts, the emergence of personal goals to replace some openwork designs is inevitable. For a hundred years we have been flattened and sausaged, and our history itself somehow hints that the optimal individual strategy is to have time to grab here and dump “there”. This is not a matter of my taste - it’s just that those who did not catch this in 1917 then ended up in camps and internal prisons, those who did not catch this in 1991 then scrubbed toilets with two higher educations.
      There are no guarantees at all that this will not happen again and again and again, in all the colors of tin and with the sparkling naked buttocks of enthusiastic inhabitants. No way. In such conditions, it really would not be an optimal strategy to rely on “collectivism,” no matter how many spells are muttered from the screen, no matter how many censers are waved and appeals to morality.
    2. +1
      12 December 2023 13: 57
      Quote: ivan2022
      If among the 12 apostles of Christ there was one traitor, then in Russia among any twelve there are 11 traitors and one honest one, whom everyone considers an idiot.
      This is the approach of a parasite who believes that everyone owes him. And those who send it are traitors to the human race!
  19. +4
    12 December 2023 10: 27
    The author cited many different factors that inhibit fertility.

    There must be answers to a simple question - why do children need children for an individual engaged in self-development, building a career or business, a hobby, or improving material well-being?

    The author did not answer.
    After us - even a flood (c)
    1. +2
      12 December 2023 12: 57
      Traditional thinking. The author once again specially notes for you that the stake is not on “pressing the correct position on everyone” - the stake is on supporting those whose position is closest to the “correct one from the point of view of the state.” Further, according to evolutionary laws, unprofitable lots are closed, profitable ones are replicated.
      The author knows quite a few smart and active people who have 2 or more children and who manage to engage in self-development and hobbies, but who are held back by the “housing issue.” They do not need these multi-volume logical constructions in order to simply reproduce in case of expansion of living conditions, because this does not prevent them from developing themselves.

      Questions “why-why” contribute to development only up to certain quantitative and qualitative values. Not all little turtles crawl along the beach to the ocean, but those that do get a chance to continue their line and not become food for birds. This is how life works - and the task of the state is not to row and throw all the turtles into the ocean, but to support those who were able to crawl. Because they really need it - they don’t have these “why, why” questions of yours.
      1. +3
        12 December 2023 13: 53
        Those whose position is close are already giving birth as much as necessary and even more. Those who need children will not be stopped by low wages, lack of housing, or school problems.

        The state helps, and helps seriously - starting from maternity capital, etc.

        Those who want - look for a way, those who do not want - a reason. (With)

        The problem is that most people don't need children.
        1. +1
          12 December 2023 14: 25
          The measures as I describe them, I repeat once again, are designed to help, first of all, those who are motivated, as you put it “and so,” to create the most conducive conditions for them, to remove the interfering burden. By launching this trend, we will also encourage a certain wavering part of society, which prefers to think and weigh before forty. By stimulating and awakening these categories, we will already have a sufficient birth rate.
          We are not talking about marginalized people, we are talking about people who, from the birth of their third child, are held back by the problem of living space. Mat. capital is money subject to inflation and, to put it mildly, modest if you compare it with housing prices in millions of dollars.

          An excessive philosophy in the style of “whoever wants to, will find a way” is inappropriate here, because there are area layouts and they create potential barriers. If a family has a choice to move to the suburbs for the birth of a third, then this will be a potential barrier and they will not do it. The question is that their desire (to give birth) will be overlapped by conflicts with an array of others.
          I propose to create conditions where this conflict will be minimized as much as possible and rationally.
          1. +1
            12 December 2023 14: 50
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            If a family has a choice to move to the suburbs for the birth of a third, then this will be a potential barrier and they will not do it. The question is that their desire (to give birth) will be overlapped by conflicts with an array of others.
            A suburb for the same money can be much preferable for a family than a sleeping area on the outskirts. “A child without hassle”, firstly, does not exist, and secondly, it is not the best motivation for having a child: he risks getting too carefree parents who are more willing to improve their living conditions than ready for new worries or sacrificing some familiar amenities, woven here for some reason into an “array of conflicts”.
            1. +1
              12 December 2023 15: 14
              PS Maternal capital even caused a lot of births in dysfunctional families, and then there’s housing. Maybe it would be better to take the “yellow bus” to the suburbs, closer to nature for a healthy selection of those wishing to give birth to a third child: the bustle of the city is not the most environmentally friendly environment for the formation of the psyche (and there are two more “forming” there).
  20. +3
    12 December 2023 10: 51
    financial and moral component

    Everything that the respected author writes about, of course, has “its place in the sun,” but I would swap the words in the phrase “financial and moral".
    In my opinion (IMHO), the main problem is the people’s trust in the state. When the same people who have been constantly at the helm for a quarter of a century have radically changed the “rules of the game” several times and not in favor of the people of their country, any sane person will wonder whether it is worth believing the “sweet” promises? Where is the guarantee that in a couple of years “the carriage will not turn into a pumpkin”? And in such a situation, how do you order to plan future ones and, especially, produce children? After all, normal parents always think in advance about the prospects for their children.
    It's easy to lose trust, get it back, it's not just one job anymore generation.
    1. +3
      12 December 2023 13: 01
      Where is the guarantee that in a couple of years “the carriage will not turn into a pumpkin”?

      There is no such guarantee. I’m not writing about how vicious “nowadays” is, I’m interested in the question hypothetical a mechanism for how the situation could be corrected. There are many people here basically they don’t see a way out , and I point out that there is a way out. I am also interested in studying from the comments what% of our society still thinks flexibly, because this is also very valuable food for thought.
      And the current state of affairs - there are no illusions here. But I don’t really want to create depression, it’s enough without me :-)
      1. +2
        12 December 2023 15: 31
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        I’m not writing about how vicious it is “nowadays,” I’m interested in the question of a hypothetical mechanism of how the situation could be corrected

        The main message of my comment
        Quote: Adrey
        In my opinion (IMHO), the main problem is the people’s trust in the state.

        Quote: Adrey
        It’s easy to lose trust, to get it back, it’s a job for more than one generation.

        The rest is justification of these theses.
        And I’m afraid sq/m alone won’t fix this. But an integrated approach to solving the problem is not yet visible even on the horizon request
        1. +3
          12 December 2023 15: 46
          Yes, our state stupidly doesn’t think that it has lost anything)))) This is called “denial”. From the point of view of our state, it is the people who owe him their existence for the rest of their lives, and the rest can be forgotten as if it never happened.
          In such a paradigm of thinking “straight from the beginning of the 20th century,” of course, there is no hope that they will take adequate measures to sharply increase the birth rate. They will rustle something for show, and during the breaks they will talk about the pernicious influence of Western values ​​and “bad Russian women who don’t give birth.”

          I don’t know how to break this trend - even so, I’m sure it won’t be possible to break it. This demon, he sits in each of us in all these attacks in the style of “it is necessary to prohibit getting an education above the 8th grade” or “whoever wants to will find a thousand ways, and whoever doesn’t will find a thousand reasons.” In our country, those in power and the people largely believe that things are formed “by themselves,” and that here we have some powerful source of super potency, which, if anything happens, will be the envy of the West. You just need to pray well and watch more sports on TV and also ban all gays - and then there will be success.
          Outside of such thinking, the problem can be solved - but thinking itself is a separate problem, damn it :-) I was thinking of writing a third article specifically on this, but now I don’t think it’s a good idea.
          1. +3
            12 December 2023 16: 25
            In many ways, I agree with you.
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            I was thinking about writing a third article specifically on this, but now I don't think it's a good idea.

            Why? Write (only within the limits of what is reasonable and permitted) laughing). Your articles are readable and debatable, especially when you yourself actively participate in the discussion.
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            but thinking itself is a separate problem, damn it :-)

            Note to you. Don't you think that this aspect should be considered over the historical period of "modern times"? In my opinion, in the period 90-00, when the power of the state was weak, and the passionarity of society was somewhat higher laughing than now (at that time it was still possible for miners to knock their helmets on the Gorbaty Bridge), a certain consensus was concluded between the people and the state. The state survives on its own and does not interfere with the people, the people are on their own and do not touch the government.
            Over time, passions subsided, people became much less aggressive and calmer (believe me, I know what I’m talking about). The state began a “creeping attack” on the rights and freedoms of citizens, realizing their “necessity” for its own existence and, again, opening a “window of opportunity” for this.
            As a result of this not yet completed process, we see a strange design. Not the state for the people, but the people for the state. Which, not that it allows us to look with any confidence into the near future, but throws us back into the depths of centuries, where this was just the norm. laughing
            As a result,
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            We have that those in power, that the people largely believe that things are formed “by themselves”, and that here we have some powerful source of super potency

            I won’t speak for the authorities, I don’t know how things are on their planet laughing, but my generation of the 90s themselves formed “their own things,” but now, there is not the slightest confidence that what was formed will be preserved.
            Something like this request hi
            1. 0
              12 December 2023 17: 16
              Thank you!

              Don't you think that this aspect should be considered over the historical period of "modern times"?

              I look at all of this through a cyclical lens.
              1905 - discontent-relaxation-expectations-bummer-regression --> 1914-1917 (catastrophe)
              1917 - discontent-easing (decrees, withdrawal from the war)-expectations-bummer (war communism and dictatorship of the proletariat)-regression (before the NEP)
              1921-1928 (NEP) - dissatisfaction (specifically with NEPmen in society and within the party) - relaxation (collapse of policy) - expectations - bummer (beginning of repressions) - bummer (1937 and others like it).
              1941-1949 (1953) - discontent (panic mood at the beginning of the Second World War) - relaxation (in conditions of a brutal war, I would replace “relaxation” with “reorganization”. There was no sign of relaxation) - expectations (victory, dissolution of collective farms and improvement of social life) - bummer (post-war round of repressions, tightening of belts, leaving collective farms as they are) - regression.
              1953+1960s - discontent (stagnation and degradation of Stalinism, fatigue and intimidation of society) - relaxation (Khrushchev, 20th Congress of the CPSU) - expectations (thaw) - bummer (Novocherkassk and post-thaw processes, voluntarism and the development of the Cold War).
              1965+1979 - dissatisfaction (with voluntarism, experiments, half-hearted measures) - relaxation (Brezhnev course) - expectations (socialism with a human face) - bummer (stagnation and growth of interests of the party nomenklatura) - regression (Afghanistan and the "carriage races")
              1980+1989+ - dissatisfaction (with stagnation and Afghanistan) - relaxation (understatements of an economic nature) - expectations (Gorbachev) - bummer (perestroika) - regression (severe crisis phenomena and collapse of the system).
              1990+ - dissatisfaction (scarcity, degradation of the system and rulers) - relaxation (increasing sovereignty and the role of republican leaders) - expectations (USSR without communism) - bummer (Belovezhiya and the parade of sovereignties) - regression (large-scale economic crisis, impoverishment and decline of all types ).
              1996+2000 - dissatisfaction (with Yeltsin and company, decline and poverty) - relaxation ("I'm a muzhuk") - expectations (GDP) - bummer (preservation of the system and its bonds) - regression (in fairness after Yeltsin there was nowhere to fall, so the stage “bummer” lasted right up to 2008+ and regression began somewhere in 2009-2010)
              2010-2011+ - dissatisfaction (stagnation and stability "-") - relaxations (Olympics, celebrations and many sweet promises "strategy 2020") - expectations ("Russia forward!") - bummer (2014) - regression (path to 2018)

              Most of the phenomena for a period of 120 years are somewhere in our country arranged in a cyclical pattern, in which moments of relatively normal existence are only respites between large-scale long-term crises (with the exception of the Second World War, all of them could have been avoided by the government). This has already become part of the mentality and no matter how you paint the Volga, no matter how you tune it, it will remain a Volga - everyone knows about it, both above and below. The fatalism of this knowledge is multiplied by incompetence and the lack of really long-term painstaking forecasting. It’s a paradox, but I really don’t see any difference in politics since the time of the Tsar - we prefer to plug holes with oakum and simply periodically collapse the familiar world of people with crises rather than build and repair “for centuries.” This is our "Groundhog Day", if you like. There was a seeming departure from the scheme only during the Second World War, then “relaxation” was replaced by “reorganization” - but then the scheme still fell into its usual rut. Our mentality is age-old, it has not painfully evolved over this time - look how sometimes some people rage in the comments and you will see the shadows of those who went to demonstrations with posters “We will destroy the enemies of the people without any pity.”
              1. +1
                12 December 2023 17: 34
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                I look at all of this through a cyclical lens.

                Your comment is almost half the article laughing good. You certainly chose the most significant period of history, but...
                The period 1905 - 1970 is already interesting to historians. 1970-1985, this generation is alive, but “in those days the trees were lower and the women were younger,” from their point of view. But since the 90s it has been relevant for the still “active” part of society and directly affects the “here and now”.
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                This is our "Groundhog Day", if you like.

                "Maemo, chi maemo" request
                But, nevertheless, you will not deny that what seemed impossible and unacceptable in the 80s became available in the 90s-00s? And this could not but affect the nature of “thinking” and the mentality of the masses.
                1. +2
                  12 December 2023 18: 34
                  Well, there is a certain structure (if the mentality is represented as a structure), when it is under prolonged pressure, it is deformed (somewhere elastic, and somewhere plastic). Looking at it in its crumpled form, it will seem to you that it “before” and “after” are 2 different things. By analogy with bottom-dwelling fish, which in the depths of the ocean are small and flat, but if pulled to the surface they swell and turn inside out.
                  Also, the mentality of the 80s is essentially (in my opinion) a strongly compressed mentality of the 90s; in a compressed state, its plastic deformations were not noticeable, but they became noticeable after the compression disappeared. Some elements straightened out, while others remained deformed. At the end we got this very deformed fish, not all of whose elements were structurally ready to reduce the pressure.

                  Nevertheless, if we take this spherical fish in a vacuum, then it is possible that we will see it practically the same in different eras. The only difference will be in deformations from pressure and adaptations to a hungry or unhappy environment, which are hidden deep in this fish at any pressure, but come out completely only during the hungriest periods. There is, of course, a superficial factor, a kind of generational “tuning”, when in one generation the fish is painted this way, and in another that way.
                  But inside it’s the same fish, it’s very good. changes little with the changing eras.
                  By pressure, I mean various kinds of pressure - collective and religious censure, party and social lines, and so on.
                  And yes, since I mentioned that not all deformations are elastic, there will be a difference between experienced and unexperienced fish, but this will be a difference in experience and not design.
                  1. +2
                    12 December 2023 18: 49
                    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                    By analogy with bottom fish

                    Interesting allegory laughing. But, essentially, living in the 80s, I did not feel such a pronounced “compression” of the mentality that would have caused the 90s. Although, maybe he was still too small, but 85-89 could already perceive “more adequately”.
                    In general, your approach to “mentality” our society can be fully extended to all humanity. In fact.
    2. 0
      12 December 2023 16: 55
      Quote: Adrey
      the main problem is the people's trust in the state
      Did I understand correctly that the people trusted the Tsar-Father greatly, but not the communists and other bourgeoisie? Judging by the demographics.
      1. +1
        12 December 2023 17: 00
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        Did I understand correctly that the people trusted the Tsar-Father greatly, but not the communists and other bourgeoisie? Judging by the demographics.

        If you want to put the question this way, then let's look at the episode called "Bloody Resurrection." Which, by the way, gave rise to a “crisis of confidence.” What “slogans” did people come out with there?
        1. 0
          12 December 2023 17: 04
          Quote: Adrey
          Let's look at the episode called "Bloody Resurrection". Which, by the way, gave rise to a “crisis of confidence.” What “slogans” did people come out with there?
          Is it possible to put it briefly, you are not taking an exam, but answering a question, it seems.
          1. +1
            12 December 2023 17: 11
            Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
            Is it possible to put it briefly, you are not taking an exam.

            Don't you think I answered your question formulated this way? If you really don’t know (which I highly doubt. There was very good material about Gapon at VO) the contents of the manifesto with which the workers came out for a peaceful demonstration, then finding it will not be a problem for you right on this resourcehi
            1. 0
              12 December 2023 17: 34
              Quote: Adrey
              Don't you think I answered your question?
              A question to a question requiring the answer “yes, right”, “no, not at all right”, or “not quite right”. smile A lot of letters, some nonsense about Gapon and an offer to go on the Internet. It seems that it is more important for you to formulate from this “the fact of the people’s distrust of Putin.” Keep communicating, Adrey.
              1. +2
                12 December 2023 18: 17
                Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                A question to a question requiring the answer “yes, right”, “no, not at all right”, or “not quite right”. A lot of letters, some nonsense about Gapon and an offer to go on the Internet. Keep communicating.

                So you yourself didn’t create a test form of a question with answers, where to put a tick, and now you’re unhappy laughing
                I won’t say that I’m upset that I couldn’t satisfy you laughing
                1. 0
                  12 December 2023 18: 28
                  Quote: Adrey
                  So you yourself didn’t create a test form of a question with answers, where to put a tick, and now you’re unhappy

                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  Did I understand correctly that the people trusted the Tsar-Father greatly, but not the communists and other bourgeoisie? Judging by the demographics.
                  You’ve never seen the test questions, or you continue to be disingenuous... It’s useless, just get bogged down deeper, those who are too resourceful quickly get confused, especially in the epistolary genre: it’s not like “getting through the ears quickly,” here every word is logged.
                  1. 0
                    12 December 2023 19: 19
                    PS by time. This is if you want to post the proposed answers from another comment; the minimalist form of answers was proposed after your nonsense about Gapon.
                    1. +1
                      12 December 2023 19: 25
                      PS.
                      Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                      A lot of letters, some nonsense about Gapon and an offer to go on the Internet.

                      I can suggest you go to the library request
                      1. 0
                        12 December 2023 19: 28
                        Quote: Adrey
                        I can suggest you go to the library
                        I also have a lot to offer, but I won’t do it.
                      2. +1
                        12 December 2023 19: 29
                        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                        I also have a lot to offer, but I won’t do it.

                        On this and finish hi
                      3. 0
                        12 December 2023 19: 33
                        Quote: Adrey
                        On this and finish
                        Don't give a reason. And if I see it, I won’t miss it.
  21. -2
    12 December 2023 11: 34
    Morality is one of the forms of social consciousness, and consciousness is a set of ideas, views and traditions formed by the conditions of material life.
    Thus, consciousness and morality are two inseparable sides of the same coin, based on Labor, the basis of existence. Changes in working conditions lead to changes in material living conditions, public morality and public consciousness.
    K. Marx, using examples, sorted out labor costs from the creation of the world to the capitalist mode of production and their consequences.
    In ancient times, manual labor required enormous physical effort, which led to the formation of large families and family clans.
    Scientific and technological progress makes working conditions easier and increases productivity, reduces the need to create large families and leaves more free time for entertainment and personal desires.
    Therefore, there are two options for solving the demographic problem:
    1. Lower the level of pension provision, which will inevitably lead to larger families and strengthening family ties, and material incentives have never solved the problem of increasing the birth rate, but have increased the standard of living.
    2. Buy people from other government entities, which threatens social, cultural and a host of other problems.
    3. A promising third option is cloning people with initially specified characteristics, just as cattle are raised.
    1. -3
      12 December 2023 12: 09
      Modern economics textbooks say that human needs have no boundaries, and resources are limited.

      We started making a lot of cheap bicycles - but now we want a car. Everyone has a car - what about a helicopter? And you need a better car... If you have a two-room apartment, you need three rubles. And there is no end to this. And there is no place for children either - children have ceased to be a need for individuals.

      As long as our civilization is in such an economic and moral system, the demographic problem will only be solved by immigration, especially from those regions where the motivation is different.
      1. +1
        12 December 2023 14: 45
        Modern economics textbooks say that human needs have no boundaries.

        Here I always operate with a speculative concept with chairs. You can sit on 1 chair, but you can sit on 2 if your butt is big or the chair is small. But sitting on three chairs is already a waste, it is already moving from the category of aesthetic and practical to the category of pathological. Also, in principle, with any accumulation and misappropriation - with regards to utilitarian objects, of course - the limit up to which the desire to have is justified by objective need is quite calculable, the limit up to which quantitative possession brings benefits and convenience is quite calculable, and the limit beyond which is “excessive possession” is also calculable. no longer has any benefits.
        Using these boundaries, it is possible to organize a system separating chronic bunnies from those who are objectively in need. Through progressive taxation, it is possible to limit people’s craving for money-grabbing where this craving will not bring them benefits that compensate for the extortions.

        Also, I cannot agree unequivocally with the very thesis about “unlimited needs.” Yes, this applies to def. % of the population, but not the entire population. Within this % there will also be groups rationally and irrationally inclined to overconsumption and hoarding. In an unstable society, subject to fluctuations and stress, this strategy allows us to survive recessions and has a right to exist.
        I will note that the resources available to us, commensurate with the size of the population, in principle allow us to realize a lot; I would say we have a lot of fat that we could gain to the point of being “irrational.”
        1. +1
          12 December 2023 17: 37
          I understand your attitude towards the material world and share it. However, to my surprise, the trend is created by those who strive to get more and more. I myself was surprised by such a phrase, but this is what is actually taught and believed.

          If people could self-limit personal consumption, probably something like communism could be built :) Well, I don’t mean an ideology, but a bright goal.

          The modern economic model requires constant growth, and this growth requires increased consumption.

          It is not profitable to make durable goods - this is from the same opera. Is it possible to make a car “for life”? Technically it is possible, but it doesn't happen. Not for technical reasons. How long does a smartphone last? How long can it serve?
          1. +1
            12 December 2023 19: 04
            Communism implies a much greater dependence of a person on society than he organically would like. Sooner or later, technologies will inevitably appear that will knock the stool out from under capitalism, it’s just a pity to live in this wonderful time... What comes after is not a fact that it will be “communism”. An individual’s production capabilities increase, as does his access to information, but access to resources decreases - as inflation of space per capita occurs. If everything continues as it is now, perhaps our descendants will remember the current time as a utopia, even if they are in a much more “fair” society...

            PPC it has become more inconvenient to type on the site, everything slows down :(
        2. -1
          13 December 2023 01: 17
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Here I always operate with a speculative concept with chairs. You can sit on 1 chair, but you can sit on 2 if your butt is big or the chair is small. But sitting on three chairs is already a waste, it is already moving from the category of aesthetic and practical to the category of pathological.
          So-so concept. And if friends, for example, come to a preference exchange, the three of them (one sits on the side table), despite the “zhyr”, every time ask the neighbors for a fourth chair? About birthdays, etc. There’s nothing to say, but for the anniversary, they generally go around the entire entrance. This does not always help strengthen the neighboring community; some will be bothered.
          In the USSR there was a problem of compiling a complete list of consumer goods to fully satisfy the needs of workers. The only sensible solution was to “write down each worker’s needs on his forehead with a chemical pencil,” then both the assortment and the required quantity would be taken into account.
      2. -1
        12 December 2023 21: 16
        Quote: S.Z.
        Modern economics textbooks say that human needs have no boundaries, and resources are limited.
        I read somewhere that only human stupidity has no boundaries, and in a consumer society, quasi-needs are artificially grown on it by those for whom it is economically beneficial. But a person has the ability to self-limit needs, and it, like any other ability, needs training.
        1. +1
          13 December 2023 08: 16
          However, the textbooks say what they say, and the economy is structured the way it is structured.
          1. 0
            13 December 2023 10: 40
            Quote: S.Z.
            However, the textbooks say what they say
            Does this somehow contradict what I wrote? Or is it written unclearly? In another way: a person has a need for animal protein, and even then, he can limit it (fasting, fasting), but the need for Louis Vuitton pants for 150000 rubles. and so on. - this is a quasi-need that is pushed in along with the fear of looking like a “lox” in simpler pants in the company of majors, the hope of a sharp increase in authority, one’s sexual attractiveness, etc. ad infinitum, if Kozlevich does not understand that he is being deceived by the priests through not only direct and hidden advertising on TV, but also textbooks on economics, especially those published by the Higher School of Economics. Is that how it goes?
            1. +1
              13 December 2023 12: 50
              Of course it contradicts. Textbooks consider the need for a new gadget precisely as a need, not as a “quasi-need.”

              Surely the authors of textbooks know what Maslow’s pyramid is, but they write it that way.
              1. 0
                13 December 2023 15: 53
                Quote: S.Z.
                Surely the authors of textbooks know what Maslow’s pyramid is, but they write it that way.
                Maslow did not yet have the concept of quasi-need; it was introduced into scientific circulation by Kurt Lewin. Never mind, someday these authors will reach Levin. There are exact sciences, humanitarian and social sciences, natural sciences, and one unnatural science - psychology. It has only one law (Yerkes-Dodson), which is valid in 50% of cases, the rest are “regularities” (they may or may not appear). Its peculiarity is that it seems to be alone, but upon closer examination, the student begins to understand: how many psychologists, so many psychologies; they calmly use different explanatory models that are incompatible with each other in relation to one case, and this bothers few people, because the results of his activities are not visible even to himself. Previously, attempts were made by representatives of different schools to get together and find a common platform, but now - no, although the contradictions have not gone away. Teachers know why a teacher can and should be recognized as professionally incompetent and expelled from school. You can’t say the same about a psychologist for sure. Except for criminal offenses.
                1. 0
                  13 December 2023 17: 07
                  Maybe they’ll get there, but that’s how they teach it for now. Maybe they will even reach your level :)
    2. 0
      12 December 2023 13: 04
      If the stall is too small there will never be brood. For a lot of reasons, I would say... Of course, since Karl Marx was a great man and philosopher, he would not have stooped to such garbage - this is what is called natural philosophy. But this indicates that we cannot find all the answers from the great people who flew with naiads and dryads somewhere in unattainable heights. Something can also be found in pasture.
    3. 0
      12 December 2023 18: 13
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      Therefore, there are two options for solving the demographic problem:
      1. Lower the level of pension provision, which will inevitably lead to larger families and stronger family ties
      Is it possible to explain where and due to what this “inevitability” comes from? Today you can leave your grandson to your grandfather, and tomorrow your grandfather will say, give your son money for lunch and for us to buy a movie and ice cream. Is this what “strengthens relationships”? A prudent father will whittle more children in order to collect alimony from them in old age and thus survive... Tricky.
  22. +1
    12 December 2023 12: 32
    Inflation with rising wages will only occur if prices are not fixed.
    If prices are fixed, business income will fall, relative to, say, scientists or doctors or teachers. What then? Apparently, then the energetic and assertive C student will receive less or the same as the infantile bespectacled student... and the bespectacled student with a high degree of probability will not go abroad to raise the technological level of his “partners”. Well, as you understand, based on popular wisdom that “aspen trees will not produce oranges,” this whole matter will have consequences for the state. And I'm afraid positive wink
    1. 0
      12 December 2023 21: 45
      Will we get a smooth transition to socialism? I don’t know, but for me, you all dislike businessmen too much and have a good attitude towards the state, although the “worst” working conditions are often in the civil service.
      So, having ruined the business, it’s unlikely that life will become better. More likely there will be a “queue at the fence” again.
      I don’t know, is it really impossible to somehow settle everything without running to extremes and breaking everything over the knee?
      1. +1
        13 December 2023 09: 26
        Love is not love. We have what we have, and if everything was good, then there would be no questions.
        Business has been ruling for 30 years, and people are dying out. This means this is not the right path. Yes, everything is already visible from school. There are fewer and fewer smart people, and there are more and more future “businessmen”, and this is against the backdrop of a general reduction. What will they sell? Not funny.
  23. +5
    12 December 2023 13: 04
    I just remembered an old joke.

    There is a meeting of the State Duma.
    The speaker, standing on the podium, says, “Gentlemen, we stole money, bought everything we needed, opened accounts abroad, settled our children, isn’t it time to think about people?”
    To which they answer from the audience: “Yes, it’s high time, three hundred showers wouldn’t hurt!”


    Actually, what is the essence of the question? People, for our authorities, this is the most important oil well. And the only thing this government cares about is how to get more money from the people.
    And the people, what a scoundrel, instead of being fruitful and multiplying, thereby increasing the base for generating income, decided to die out.
    So the government is torn about how to increase the electorate without spending money.
    1. -5
      12 December 2023 19: 38
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      People, for our authorities, this is the most important oil well.
      From Ukraine? There aren't many reserves left there. Do one-legged people with machine guns at the ready learn to jump into an attack? Horses...
  24. +2
    12 December 2023 13: 11
    Demographic problem: financial and moral...

    The birth of a child leads to:
    1 to a deterioration in the financial situation of the family,
    2 increasing the amount of homework,
    3 cramped living space,
    4 restrictions on freedom of movement and, in general, a reduction in leisure time,
    5 the emergence of additional problems in interaction with external organizations - clinic, kindergarten, school.
    All this is significantly annoying when deciding on the issue of children, and as long as this is so, there is no need to expect an explosion in the birth rate. People are designed this way, they look for where it is better. If all these problems did not exist, it would be better with children, but everyone decides for themselves what is better.
    1. +1
      12 December 2023 13: 21
      These are all solvable problems - by solving them we will create conditions for demographic growth.
      1- compensated
      2 - already incomparably low, taking into account household appliances and semi-finished products
      3 - this is written in the article
      4 - compensated by state systems of logistics support for families with children
      5 - also regulated at the legislative level
  25. +1
    12 December 2023 13: 45
    Thanks to the author for the article. But in my opinion, first we need to understand and give examples of what kind of support parents and mothers in labor now have from the state. As I understand it, support is available up to 1,5 years of age, while children are admitted to kindergarten from the age of 3. What should a mother do and what should she live on for these 1,5 years? There is a mat. capital, but, again, there are conditions on what and when it can be spent. After the analysis, it will become clear what to do and how to help. You can, as an example, give mothers 8 additional paid hours per week for children under 7 years old for clinics and so on + paid leave extended to 3 years, at least until kindergarten, since the country has problems with nurseries. Next, invest the money not in offshore companies, not in paying dividends to unfriendly countries, since they have heated us up to 300 billion, but in baby houses and orphanages, for example. And in case of difficulties, the mother should be offered to raise the child for a period of 2 years at the expense of the state, while abortions in private clinics should be abolished. Before carrying out an abortion, notify your parents—these grief-stricken parents, especially for young out-of-town students and so on. Explain to them the problems with pregnancy in the future. If at the end of this period they do not take the child, then he can be given for adoption to childless families.
  26. Owl
    +3
    12 December 2023 14: 43
    No affordable housing - no increase in the number of families, no families - no children. During the years of the existence of the USSR, young people knew where to get a job in order to get housing as quickly as possible, a young family - a one-room apartment, then, after the birth of a child, sign up for a two-room apartment.
    1. +2
      12 December 2023 14: 49
      Exactly ! In fact, these “distributions” have always operated on the same criteria as the issuance of a loan. The main, “supporting” problem is solved in whole or in part - and further cumulative benefits cover expenses and risks.
    2. -3
      12 December 2023 19: 55
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      During the years of the existence of the USSR, young people knew where to get a job in order to get housing as quickly as possible, a young family - a one-room apartment, then, after the birth of a child, sign up for a two-room apartment.
      Shaw, again? Therefore, even in the prosperous 1970s, the RSFSR did not reach the level of simple population reproduction?
  27. +1
    12 December 2023 17: 26
    There is another side to the problem - biological. as if she were not the main reason. Perhaps there are some peculiarities among the northern light European peoples that do not allow them to multiply exponentially like cockroaches.
    in addition, several centuries of self-destruction and negative selection as in Russia.
    geneticists need to work here..
  28. +2
    12 December 2023 20: 00
    The society of egocentric consumers is willingly stimulated by the expansion of living conditions - with this they become motivated to fill the void based on their own aesthetic preferences.
    Egocentric consumers are not very focused on having children, to be honest. Moreover, there is another problem that negatively affects demographics: families of such people are more prone to breakup, it’s not for nothing that we have such a number of divorces...
    Over the past ten years, Russians have become less likely to marry, while the number of divorces has reached an almost record level. Thus, in 2006 in Russia there were more marriages than divorces by approximately 1,5 times, in 2011 - 2 times, in 2020 - 1,4 times, in 2021 and 2022 - 1,5 times. Even the pandemic had almost no effect on the number of couples who decided to formalize the breakup: in the Covid year, there were 10 divorces for every 7 weddings.
    https://journal.tinkoff.ru › stat-divorce
  29. +2
    13 December 2023 05: 12
    In our era, people have gained a significant amount of free time
    This is fundamentally wrong. In modern people less free time than their distant ancestors. That is why the value of time arose. If there was a lot of free time, then as a result of natural devaluation it would not be of value. Only that which is in short supply has a high value.

    Medieval peasants (with their large families) worked very hard (literally plowed) only during field work seasons. This season was called “strada” - from the word “to suffer”. But the total duration of these seasons, under favorable conditions, could be only 1 month a year. And 11 months is a “vacation” when you can do your own thing (solve everyday problems, go to the cities to work, do crafts, raise children...). But we have the opposite - 1 month of vacation for 11 months of “plowing”. And yes. When the peasants were required to perform corvée (compulsory work on the estate of the master/feudal lord) 2-3 days a week, they considered this a universal injustice. Poor guys. They haven’t heard about our 5-day plan yet. Not to mention the 6-day period.

    And primitive people didn’t bother at all. Their "working day" (hunting/gathering) was 2-3 hours. This is known for sure thanks to observations of modern tribes that have preserved the way of the Stone Age. A person is biologically designed for the most severe force majeure that can occur in the life of one generation (drought, natural disaster). The margin of “strength” is multiple. But the mode of working "with all one's strength" is for a person emergency. And in modern society you have to do this throughout your active life. No wonder people stop breeding. Biology takes over. The body tells you that now is not the time for children - they will not survive if you yourself do not survive. And there’s something catastrophic in the yard, since you don’t have the opportunity to sit back for a day or two just like that, for no reason. The last Neanderthals, judging by the bones, were under such pressure from homo sapiens that they survived to the limit of their strength - that's why they didn't survive. The “margin of safety” turned out to be exhausted - and one day it was not enough.
    1. +2
      13 December 2023 08: 22
      I don’t know the statistics, I know my schedule.

      Monday-Friday I get up at 5.30, leave for work at 6.30 (due to traffic jams), come home at 18.50, dinner at 19.00, lights out at 22.00. Those. 3 hours of personal time per working week. Frankly speaking, I only have the strength to relax with a book or computer.

      Saturday and Sunday - approximately 6 - 8 hours of personal time each, the rest is spent on shopping, household chores, preparing for work, car maintenance, health, etc.

      There is also a vacation - yes, I try to rest, and often succeed. And holidays, of course, are also relaxation, meetings with friends, relatives, in general, personal time.

      Primitive people didn't have vacations, poor fellows...
  30. +1
    13 December 2023 10: 34
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Communism implies a much greater dependence of a person on society than he organically would like. Sooner or later, technologies will inevitably appear that will knock the stool out from under capitalism, it’s just a pity to live in this wonderful time... What comes after is not a fact that it will be “communism”.


    Communism, in the form in which I studied it, does not imply the dependence of the individual on society more than he would like - but exactly as much as the individual would like. In theory, violence and addiction were completely excluded. Social contradictions were also erased - everything, both between individuals and between individuals and groups, while the state withered away completely. But this is a theory.

    The theory, alas, has not yet been confirmed by practice.

    Technologies by themselves will not destroy capitalism, even logically this is impossible, since technologies themselves belong to capitalists and serve them primarily as means of production for profit.

    Whether capitalism ends or not, I don’t know; if it does, of course, it is not a fact that it will be replaced by communism. Maybe it will be replaced by some kind of “gene slavery”. :)
    1. 0
      13 December 2023 13: 54
      Each subsequent system only made a person more dependent on this system and society; in this regard, I am skeptical that communism would make a “trick of the ears.” Even the same socialism (de facto built in the form in which it was) hooked a person on a society and system much harsher than capitalism because “de facto” you could have money in your hands, but there was no way to get what you needed without connections and rank , it was possible to have, in principle, unrealizable needs, covered only in the case of the issuance of “social status” - I mean that a simple hard worker would never, under any circumstances, have a dacha similar to that of a diplomatic worker or party functionary. The system simply did not produce what it did not consider necessary to produce, regardless of the demand for it and the desire of individual groups of the population to purchase it (means of production, for example, those necessary for a hobby).
      If we assume that even partially the line of such “socialism” was consistent with what it should have been - and also assume that this, as adherents of leftist ideas believed, was the next stage after capitalism - then in my opinion, the dependence of man on society in such a system , in the smallest everyday issues it would be even higher.
      Considering that under built socialism (which it was de facto), the state (and society) did not disdain to use this dependence for pressure and coercion on the individual (but not everyone understood this), the next generation of such relations inevitably had to adopt this line (at least in economic terms dependencies).
      This is exactly what I meant - Capitalism declares that you are the Owner, Socialism-Communism declares that everything Social and the interests of society are always ahead of the Individual. What you “own” under this type of system, even in theory, is not “yours” - you are not the owner, the system has delegated it to you. Such systems will delegate to you what they consider necessary (for you), will limit you from what is unnecessary (from their point of view), will direct you with all their tools in the direction they need and without implying that your interests can prevail over the interests of this “needed” beds". The logic of these systems was visible initially when, in an effort to save people from “kitchen slavery,” adherents simply decided to build houses without kitchens and organize meals through canteens. From their point of view, a person should be deprived of the aesthetics of cooking food personally; they believed that this was bondage and not a right or a whim. Getting rid of this logical paradigm (we decide what is best for everyone and alternatives are not provided throughout the vertical) and creates excellent soil for increasing human dependence on a system that already owns everything in a direct way - everything “superfluous” from the point of view of the system will be in its infancy or be rejected, even if it is not superfluous for you.
      I'm not talking about theory now - theories are always beautiful. I’m talking about real outlines of how such systems were approached in practice.
      1. 0
        13 December 2023 15: 38
        You are right that under socialism, priority was given to public interests.

        However, regarding dachas, it’s not quite the same - a hard worker could have his own expensive dacha (remember - “I grow strawberries with my own hands”), but a diplomatic worker had not his dacha, but a state dacha, which was not inherited.

        It makes no sense to talk about communism about property, since property itself disappears as a concept under communism. In general, if we talk about ideology, the communists believed that the main factor in the “corruption” of human morality was property. There will be no property - a person will become free in the true sense, there will be no struggle for property - there will be no main motive for conflicts. The USSR did not reach the point of implementing this principle.

        About declarations and implementations that socialism and capitalism are equally sinful, for example, Hitler’s Germany is a capitalist country, but look at what the state did there.

        Theoretically, everyone has the right to become a billionaire, but this is a declaration, but who became it? The one who was a millionaire!

        At the same time, state control in our modern country is much higher than in the time of Brezhnev, and yet we have capitalism. Here, of course, technology also intervened, but the fact remains that new technologies gave the state new means of control.
        1. +1
          13 December 2023 16: 44
          Our modern country is not capitalism in the classical sense. This is a kind of hybrid model between state, classical and oligarchic capitalism. Considering the actual methods of manual control of all branches of government and the very mechanism of writing and applying laws, I also suspect that we also do not have classical “Western” property or do have it, but with more reservations. Let's just say that for internal residents everything is much worse than for external ones.
          I don’t know where there is “higher control” - during Brezhnev’s time the state knew where and how much you earn and what “type of property” you have and what you do with it. And now there is a big gray area - yes, a number of opportunities to monitor have increased, but the state in its current form can “miss” tax evasion by some bloggers worth billions of rubles, ownership of actual assets within the state by residents of enemy states (literally news of the day https: //topwar.ru/232169-rossijskij-sud-konfiskoval-holding-predprijatij-rossijskogo-vpk-prinadlezhaschij-grazhdanam-ukrainy.html), let alone smaller fish. Nowadays, a person can work remotely, get good money and not pay taxes, can rent out a couple of apartments and not pay taxes - and years may pass or no one will notice it at all.
          1. 0
            13 December 2023 17: 12
            Our country is developing exactly according to the same laws as all other countries, taking into account historical specifics. That’s why we have this kind of capitalism, but in the USA it’s different. But it's still capitalism.

            The efficiency of our management system is much lower, labor productivity is also lower, but this is not because we had socialism and not because we have underdeveloped capitalism.

            You compare our political systems, for example.

            You are right about taxes, but only for now. In the USSR there were also a lot of “Mogarychev” jobs, when taxes were not paid.

            But I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about population control. Today, the state has a much greater degree of control over how people communicate with each other, simply due to the emergence of new technologies.
    2. 0
      13 December 2023 14: 10
      Technology alone will not destroy capitalism

      Recycling and 3D printing can expand people's access to the Product and consumables for it where there is waste or resources, bypassing large monopolies.
      Maskless electron lithography technologies may eventually make it possible for even small communities to create personal circuits, bypassing global monopolies.
      Bioprinting and the development of biotechnologies can knock the stool out from under global pharmaceutical monopolies (of course, not in everything and not immediately)
      The development of hydroponics and aeroponics (+3D printing and recycling) can solve the issues of food supply even for small communities with virtually no contact with global monopolies.

      It will be impossible to have a monopoly on the means of production if these means are so simple and effective that they can be assembled in a garage. Without this very monopoly, capitalism will have to shrink very much OR turn into outright totalitarian tyranny (which, in general, is where everything is heading so far).
      But at the moment, ideas are circulating quite openly, so if this lasts and the necessary technologies are created, the process will be unstoppable. However, if not...
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        13 December 2023 15: 50
        :) Eh, I would like your naivety.

        Firstly, we were not talking about monopolies, but about capitalism in general. Oh well, it doesn't matter.
        Secondly, let's look not forward, but back and now. About high technology.

        In my lifetime there has been a revolution in the field of computers; for example, a personal computer with an open architecture has appeared - that is, anyone can make devices for such a computer, all the information about the protocols is there. And everyone can write programs for this computer, from operating systems to application programs. And what is the result?

        The market for central processors is monopolized for them; only 2 companies, both American, own the technology. Moreover, there is only one clear leader.

        The market for graphics processors is monopolized for them, then see above.

        The market for operating systems for clients is monopolized, further - see above.

        The market for office suites for them is further - see above...

        Equipment for the production of modern processors is produced by one company in the world, although not the USA and, alas, not Russia either. The Netherlands, it seems. And only they have the rights, they give the license.

        More than 75% of US assets are intangible, that is, licenses, patents, etc. The lion's share of the price of a 3D printer is the payment to the monopolist for licenses, as is the price of a computer.

        About pharmaceuticals in general, a separate conversation; for the most part, medicines are needed not for treatment, but for sale, and their task is to prevent a person from dying and not to let him recover - neither the dead nor the healthy will buy medicines.
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    14 December 2023 09: 57
    A very good article.
    The value-based approach to the problems of demography made it possible to very accurately systematize all these problems and prepare the discussion to reach a new level, and perhaps to a theoretical solution to the very problem of increasing the birth rate.
    The method of saving money at the birth of a child into his personal account is quite suitable for solving the housing problem if it is worked out in detail.
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    14 December 2023 14: 55
    In conditions when part of the population does not have the opportunity to give birth to children due to health reasons, while others lack maternal and paternal instincts, the reproduction and education of the future generation must become a profession, or the state will collapse.
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      16 December 2023 11: 40
      But the goal is for it to collapse. But in such a way that the consequences for the destroying states are minimal. This problem is extremely complex, but as we see, it is completely solvable.

      A small example of optimization:
      in 2015 the Minsk agreements were signed, and in 2016 a referendum was held in Britain to leave the EU. And the withdrawal process was finalized by the beginning of 2021. Surprisingly, they found themselves on the sidelines of the EU’s problems in connection with the conflict in time.