The peace awaited in Ukraine

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The peace awaited in Ukraine


The outcome of events is determined on the battlefield


“Let’s just fight,” Boris Johnson’s proposal, which Zelensky could not refuse. According to Ukrainian Defense Minister David Arakhamia, it was the British who insisted on the most fatal scenario during negotiations last spring. Since the end of February, Russia has offered conditions that are quite comfortable for the enemy - to accept neutrality, refuse to join NATO, recognize Crimea as Russian and the independence of Donbass. Arakhamia openly admits that in March 2022, Kyiv’s position was much more favorable than the current one. In the literal sense of the word, Zelensky could have gotten away with little blood. Now, even if the enemy decides to talk, the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot be compared with last year. Arahamia's mention of Boris Johnson in the context of peace talks is very interesting. Persons of such a level as the Minister of Defense rarely drop anything accidentally in an interview. And the British Prime Minister could not come at a better time here.



Arakhamia did not say that the refusal of peace talks came from Zelensky, known for his belligerent rhetoric. On the contrary, the Kiev regime was looking for alternative options for ending the conflict. But the cards were mixed up by the British, who convinced Zelensky’s office of an imminent victory. Arakhamia’s recognition looks like an attempt to shift responsibility for the failure of the offensive onto Boris Johnson personally and the NATO bloc in general. The connection between the British prime minister and the understanding of Ukraine’s unfavorable position in the present did not appear just like that. They say, Johnson, look what you have done - where is your help? Against the backdrop of difficulties with foreign support, Ukrainian society is giving birth to the idea that the West is responsible for the failure of the summer of 2023.


Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico received the Russian Ambassador in Bratislava Igor Bratchikov

Abroad, indeed, a very ambiguous situation has developed. Yesterday’s Russophobes are moving from “we will not forget, we will not forgive” to a completely rational policy. For example, the new Prime Minister of Slovakia, Robert Fico, receives the Russian ambassador and calls for “preparing for the period after the end of the conflict in Ukraine and the standardization of Slovak-Russian relations.” After this, Kyiv needs to break off all diplomatic relations with its neighbor, but Zelensky remains silent. This is not the time for ambition. “Zrada” came from the Netherlands - the new government suddenly forgot about the promised $2 billion for Ukraine in 2024. The reduction in foreign aid was one of the reasons for stopping the offensive and switching to strategic defense - it is much cheaper. At the beginning of 2023, Kyiv received a monthly total of at least $1 billion. By November the amount had dropped to 250 million per month. For comparison, Israel spends exactly the same amount every day on the war in the Gaza Strip. With a disproportionately smaller scale of conflict and the level of the enemy. The IDF is actually conducting an anti-terrorist operation, fighting militants “in slippers.” In general, Zelensky’s office has a lot to think about and calculate future steps.

There will be no victory for Ukraine


The West cannot sell its people the idea of ​​continuing to support Ukraine in the same volumes. One option was a successful summer offensive, but it did not happen. So far, Zelensky has publicly announced the transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to defense, which is less expensive and will allow one to live on meager rations for some time. But what happens next? The Russian military-industrial complex is gradually gaining momentum, the army is expanding and there are no signs of stagnation on the horizon.

Option one, or stubborn continuation of Zelensky’s line. That is, the continuation of a conflict of attrition with the gradual elimination of army personnel and loss of equipment. The most bleak scenario for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and it is not at all surprising that rumors began to spread about secret negotiations between Zaluzhny’s team and the Russian General Staff. This was stated by American journalist Seymour Hersh. The source, to be honest, is so-so, and also relies on some anonymous persons in the Pentagon and the White House. But Hersh at one time spoke about the blowing up of the Nord Stream by specialists from the United States Navy, and Russia did not deny this. The fact of secret negotiations between Gerasimov and Zaluzhny is not confirmed by our side, but that’s why they are secret, so as to remain silent about them. Even if this is a fake, it did not appear out of nowhere - Hersh is clearly trying to discredit Zelensky both in the eyes of foreign observers and for the Ukrainian public.

Akella missed and now they are making big politics behind his back. It is possible that this is exactly the scenario that awaits the President of Ukraine if he does not give up further extermination of his own army. Zelensky’s problems also include elections, which Western sponsors so demand. The publication Gazeta.ru hints at the refusal of cooperation of a number of Western countries if Kiev does not decide on a popular vote. The reason will be beautiful - the Kiev regime simply usurped power, and we don’t play with such undemocratic leaders. In this case, peace will come to the land of Ukraine quite quickly, but Zelensky will not be there and the configuration of the country will become somewhat different.


Option two is a long-term truce or freezing of the conflict. Only foreign leaders, primarily Biden, can bring Ukraine to the negotiating table. It is important for him to win the elections in 2024 and any, even the most shaky, truce will be presented as a victory. And with them will come the missing voices. But a truce is not a peace treaty; the conflict will inevitably flare up again. If not next year, then in 5-7 years. Russia has a colossal advantage here. Both in military-technical and financial terms. Time in any of the options for freezing the special operation is not in Kyiv’s favor. The Kremlin understands this very well, having repeatedly stated its readiness for negotiations. Personally, any form of conversations with Russia is not beneficial for Zelensky. First, he himself signed the law banning negotiations. Secondly, if a truce does happen, he will have to lift martial law and hold elections according to all the rules. The Russian special operation is an excellent reason to remain at the post indefinitely.

The third scenario is forced peace negotiations with Russia against the backdrop of declining Western support and growing losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Zelensky is not yet ready for this. For the Kyiv regime, this will be a colossal reputational loss. Ukraine’s list of concessions includes, at a minimum, recognition of Crimea as Russian, as well as all four new regions, non-aligned status, denazification coupled with demilitarization, and the abandonment of NATO and the EU. The list includes a maximum of regime change in Ukraine, a noticeable restriction of Ukrainian shipping in the Black Sea, and even greater territorial concessions.

In none of the above scenarios there is even a symbolic victory for Ukraine. This is a reality that Zelensky and his team will have to come to terms with. The West has already come to terms with this and is looking for options to exit the game with the least losses. The level of nationalist losses in the end is difficult to even imagine.
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  1. +18
    4 December 2023 04: 09
    ***
    We are also for peace!
    - For peace after victory, and not instead of victory ...
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  2. +25
    4 December 2023 04: 33
    But a truce is not a peace treaty; the conflict will inevitably flare up again. If not next year, then in 5-7 years. Russia has a colossal advantage here. Both in military-technical and financial terms.
    Author, come back from the world of pink ponies!!! During this time, Western creatures will be able to openly pump up the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons, from drones to airplanes, you don’t have to be a genius...
  3. +11
    4 December 2023 05: 09
    From empty to empty. How many authors on the site have already written about this. And everything is the same in different words. And in the media about the same thing.
  4. +8
    4 December 2023 05: 10
    1. Any truce benefits the West, not us.
    2. If negotiations do take place, it is necessary to make it a mandatory condition that Ukraine loses access to the Black Sea coast and ensures our land corridor to the PMR. In addition to the stated tasks of the SVO. Naturally, Crimea, LDPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions must be recognized by the West as part of Russia. Least.
    3. In my opinion, exports to unfriendly countries should be completely blocked. Including, in addition to gas and oil, things that are critical for the West, like uranium. Stop doing business that potentially helps NATO countries support the enemy.
    1. +7
      4 December 2023 05: 46
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      Any truce benefits the West, not us

      In any case, with a truce or peace, Ukraine will remain a stinking abscess along our western border. Here the issue must be resolved radically
    2. AAK
      +8
      4 December 2023 15: 57
      Dear colleague! If Crimea +4 new subjects should, in your opinion, be recognized by Westerners as part of the Russian Federation, and you make it a prerequisite for “negotiations” that the Banderas lose access to the Black Sea and access to Transnistria, then these are at least 2 more regions - Odessa and Nikolaev, but if not in the Russian Federation, then whose will they be? And there are also Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Krivoy Rog, Chernigov, Cherkassy, ​​Sumy, Poltava, Kyiv, Zhitomir Vinnitsa - who do you think they are? However, there is a discrepancy - the Great One speaks only about “Crimea+4” in his speeches, but the people rightly believe that the conversation should rather be about “Crimea+14”, otherwise why did many tens of thousands of our military personnel die, and tens of thousands become disabled?
    3. +3
      4 December 2023 20: 07
      In my opinion, exports to unfriendly countries should be completely blocked. Including, in addition to gas and oil, things that are critical for the West, like uranium. Stop doing business that potentially helps NATO countries support the enemy.

      These are the same fantasies as the children of the leadership in the trenches.
      Let's look at things realistically.
      Peace (truce) is the question “why did all this happen” plus the obviousness of the next SVO (Russia is not waging war, according to Peskov).
      By the way, can there be peace (truce) if there is no war?
      But is it realistic to annex and assimilate all of Ukraine? I understand that you want to, but what if you wake up from your dreams?
      In general, both options raise big questions, both the truce and its absence.
    4. +3
      4 December 2023 20: 16
      It is possible to block exports. But where then can we get foreign currency to purchase goods as part of parallel imports? Just don’t say that we can live just fine without imports.
      And as for the critical importance... It’s easier for them to find a new supplier than for us to find a new one for our customers.
  5. +24
    4 December 2023 05: 11
    Also some kind of parallel reality, you probably won’t believe it, but Ukrainians still think that peace with Russia is possible, but only with indemnity and our territorial concessions, a return to the borders, and the return of Crimea. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be holding on to every trench like crazy, otherwise on TV they almost surrender in divisions. But in fact, the hardest battles for every house....
    1. +1
      4 December 2023 22: 27
      Quote from turembo
      Ukrainians still think that peace with Russia is possible, but only with indemnity and our territorial concessions, a return to the borders, and the return of Crimea. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be holding on to every trench like crazy, otherwise on TV they almost surrender in divisions. But in fact, the hardest battles for every house....

      Also, their barriers are held by detachments of Bandera’s supporters in the trenches, and those who want to surrender are immediately shot))) (Sarcasm, if anything).
      But in fact. Yes, we are also full of believers that we are fighting with one left, and if we want, we can reach Kyiv in a week. But they cannot explain why there is no such desire.
  6. 0
    4 December 2023 05: 27
    Johnson did a good job of arranging for Britain to complete the Brexit process by the beginning of 2021, when he signed new trade agreements with the EU.. Well, then it all started very timely.... then he says; “now let’s just fight...”, not ourselves, of course, and not “simple” at all. .
  7. +1
    4 December 2023 05: 42
    It was clear to a more or less experienced analyst that the Kiev regime would not be able to withstand Russia. But the desire of the United States to extract as much benefit as possible from this bloodshed defeated the usual sober approach. Ten years ago, I wrote that if the situation worsens, Europe could become a hostage to the United States. The usual desire of the United States to deflate the financial bubble has grown into weakening Russia at any cost. To weaken Russia, you need to know the structure of our country. And this is very difficult to do. There are no postulates against which the United States could fight. And this is their problem .
  8. +12
    4 December 2023 06: 14
    According to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine David Arakhamia,

    They started writing whatever came to mind. Arakhamia has already been named minister of defense.
    1. 0
      5 December 2023 18: 24
      Evgeniy, as usual, scatters words in his articles, and VO editors are asleep or absent.
  9. -2
    4 December 2023 08: 11
    After Russia’s Victory in the Northern Military District, the term “to the borders of 1991” should be clarified by date and clarified about the inadmissibility of double standards, otherwise until now Russia was not allowed, but let’s say the “Baltic Tigers” or Poland is allowed there.
    According to the date “1991”, as the date of the boundaries of the appearance of nests and hotbeds of danger for Russia and the subsequent rapid transformation of these nests into NATO members in Europe, it must necessarily be clarified that we are talking about the boundaries before August 1991. Until August 1991!
    This entails taking the “Baltic tigers” who have been shitting for thirty years by the scruff of the neck, and slamming them face-first into that puddle of their thirty-year-old feces. And their excrement consists of the fact that they claim that in 1991 they restored what the “damned communists” destroyed and destroyed in 1940. Russia must point out to them that Russia is restoring what the same “damned communists” destroyed and destroyed in Russia in 1917 and 1991. Otherwise, until now it has been the case that some can do it, but others can’t? The winner must return to the guise of the heir to the Empire... including the Red Empire of the USSR. How the winner should deal with the mischievous “tigers” is his business. Will they educate them or simply take them by the scruff of the neck and throw them out, this is the winner’s business, but it must be explained to them that if you, they say, can do it, then Russia can definitely do it too!
  10. -11
    4 December 2023 08: 37
    We couch girls, cooks and taxi drivers need peace, but the authorities don’t! Peace will come when Putin is gone! But three days of voting were not done to change anything!
    1. +3
      4 December 2023 10: 27
      signing peace on the enemy's terms is the end of the regime of either side. Something will be signed next year after the elections when the picture has more or less settled down. somewhere there will be plus or minus Avdeevka.... but the most difficult thing will not be the hot phase of the hundred-meter race, but the marathon noose sledding iron curtain for a decade of gradual impoverishment. Yes, we’ll probably somehow fit into the eastern pipe... but reality and our old life will change
  11. +4
    4 December 2023 08: 37
    Have the repeated “Minsk” and “Istanbul” taught us nothing? Trusting Ukrainians as well as Ukraine is DANGEROUS.
  12. +1
    4 December 2023 08: 52
    For the West in Ukraine there are only two options, bad and very bad. It all started in November 2021, hence the dance.
  13. +2
    4 December 2023 09: 56
    All power to the Soviets!

    There is no side with which you can negotiate something. Ukraine is not independent. USA (West) - not mandatory, there is no paper signed by them that they would not use in the toilet.

    Only complete and unconditional surrender.

    We cannot let the West steal our victory from us.
    Attempts to get involved and lead are already visible.
  14. +9
    4 December 2023 10: 27
    The author issued laughing
    Let me give you a hint - in addition to the three options for peace, there is also the option of ELIMINATING the state education system “Ukraine”, and as Lavrov recently stated, this is the ONLY option that suits Russia. All three options for “peace” are needed only by NATO, and all three mean a respite for the Bandera regime to accumulate forces - it makes no difference, with Zelensky, without Zelensky.
    So the article is purely POPULIST. Moreover, it clearly expresses the position of only one side - and this is not Russia.
    1. +1
      4 December 2023 20: 14
      LIQUIDATION of state education "Ukraine", and as Lavrov recently stated, this is the ONLY option that suits Russia.

      How long ago? Before this, there were many official statements that the Russian Federation is not encroaching on Ukrainian statehood and will not change power in Ukraine.
      1. -2
        4 December 2023 20: 19
        So one does not interfere with the other winked Let them choose the building for themselves. Together with the authorities... As always IN CANADA laughing
        And you can also leave statehood, it’s even necessary - let them pay off their debts. I have long proposed two options - the state of Ukraine within the borders of Zapukria, or the territory of Zmeiny Island... Although no, there is gas, so - only an enclosure in the Carpathians
  15. 0
    4 December 2023 10: 34
    A couple of days ago I turned on the “zombie box” and watched a “parody horror movie” (and in full laughing ) Office Uprising (2018). I won’t recommend watching it, because the film is really stupid... But... Laughter is laughter, and the situation in the world becomes like a senile movie.
  16. +3
    4 December 2023 10: 39
    Is our society slowly starting to prepare for negotiations and agreements?
    Perspective.
  17. +1
    4 December 2023 12: 33
    Is this when Archamia became the Minister of Defense of the "savory eaters"?
  18. -2
    4 December 2023 17: 50
    The third scenario is forced peace negotiations with Russia against the backdrop of declining Western support and growing losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    It seems that with such an intricate formulation the author means the capitulation of Ukraine.
    Denazification coupled with demilitarization and abandonment of NATO and the EU

    But in practice this means the complete occupation of Ukraine by our troops. Otherwise, how can we force yesterday’s ardent enemy to change his practical position? I think that in parallel with these phenomena, plebescites will be held and there will be a shift away from Ukraine from Nikolaev, Odessa and other regions towards Russia. How else can we jump out of the debt hole into which Ukraine was put by its would-be presidents?! wink
  19. +3
    4 December 2023 18: 21
    They are simply preparing the people for the next “agreement” - they must somehow justify this “necessity” without direct connection with the sweet-talking guarantor who justifies any decision.
  20. BAI
    +1
    4 December 2023 18: 30
    From “we will not forget, we will not forgive” yesterday’s Russophobes

    Actually, this is the slogan of the Donbass militia. When did they become Russophobes?
  21. +1
    4 December 2023 18: 30
    Persons of such a level as the Minister of Defense rarely drop anything accidentally in an interview

    Who is the “Minister of Defense” in this interview? And which country?
  22. +1
    4 December 2023 20: 54
    According to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine David Arakhamia
    When did he become Minister of Defense? He didn’t seem to rise above an advisor...
    It is important for him to win the elections in 2024 and any, even the most shaky, truce will be presented as a victory.
    This isn't about us by any chance?! American voters are not that worried about the situation with Ukraine. winked
  23. +1
    4 December 2023 22: 09
    Fear Danians bringing gifts.
    We like to present Western decisions as a great benefit for Russia.
  24. 0
    4 December 2023 22: 11
    Something is not clear - who is interested in “U’s victory” THERE???
    They are interested in the victory of what we call the “collective West.”
    But with this - everything is fine. That “peace” with Gaza is at hand, that our troops on the western borders are an excellent solution for them...
    I wonder how many troops should be kept in Ukraine, given the brainwashing? And the acquaintances from there, who were completely neutral, at least - after the death of their relatives and friends and the destruction of some apartments and other property - began to treat Russia not at all with love.
    Isn't this the ACHIEVED goal of this very collective?
    Well, I’m generally silent about restoration.

    Victory would have been possible “if” - if the war ended in 2-3 weeks...
  25. -2
    5 December 2023 02: 38
    The truce is simply a stretching of time and a much-needed respite for them.
    It seems to me that we need to break off diplomatic relations with the West, and then you know.
  26. -1
    5 December 2023 02: 40
    Quote from tsvetahaki
    Something is not clear - who is interested in “U’s victory” THERE???
    They are interested in the victory of what we call the “collective West.”
    But with this - everything is fine. That “peace” with Gaza is at hand, that our troops on the western borders are an excellent solution for them...
    I wonder how many troops should be kept in Ukraine, given the brainwashing? And the acquaintances from there, who were completely neutral, at least - after the death of their relatives and friends and the destruction of some apartments and other property - began to treat Russia not at all with love.
    Isn't this the ACHIEVED goal of this very collective?
    Well, I’m generally silent about restoration.

    Victory would have been possible “if” - if the war ended in 2-3 weeks...

    Ukrainians have nowhere to go, and they initially made mistakes with the Maidan.
  27. 0
    5 December 2023 18: 22
    There will be no new 4 regions. Most likely, they will stop at the current LBS (like Minsk). And it would be nice to close Avdeevka, Ugledar during this time and make the situation around Seversk irreversible, take Liman and maybe Orekhov. This is the real maximum. Next comes science fiction of varying degrees of science.
  28. +1
    5 December 2023 22: 57
    What world? This is a smokescreen for further fighting. Zelensky or Biden put forward such a proposal. No. They said war until victory.
  29. -1
    7 December 2023 12: 29
    Russia now has only one way and one option for solving this problem: the entire territory of the former Ukraine up to and including the Vinnitsa and Zhitomir regions is part of the Russian Federation as subjects of the federation (territories and regions). No autonomies like Crimea or Donbass, they earned this right with blood. The state of Ukraine should disappear from the political map of the world forever, and Russia should border Poland, Hungary and Romania in the west. There SHOULD NOT be any 404 neutral off-block spacers!! Any piece of land called Ukraine will be used as a springboard in the future. The word Ukraine should simply designate a certain region in the west and southwest of the Russian Federation, like the word Kuban, Poaolzhye, Ural, Siberia, etc. Only this way and no other way. Otherwise, it will be a postponed war, there will be new deaths and tragedies, there will be a constant threat to the fleet in Sevastopol and the Crimean bridge, there will be constant provocations on the border and the bombardment of territory. I really hope that Putin understands all this perfectly and is thinking about the future of Russia, and not about the geshefts of dear partners and buddies
    1. 0
      10 December 2023 00: 49
      Well, well, like Hitler with the Jews; this is actually impossible
    2. 0
      10 December 2023 00: 51
      Yes, and this theoretical takeover of Ukraine is not “new deaths and tragedies” for decades?