Unknown war. The difficulties of the winter and spring of 1919

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Unknown war. The difficulties of the winter and spring of 1919
I. Vladimirov. "Interrogation in the Committee of the Poor" However, this is the name of the picture. And what is depicted on it, most likely, is the “troika” court, which was introduced in 1919


Listen, worker,
The war has begun
Quit your business
Get ready for the hike.



We will go boldly into battle
For the power of the Soviets
And as one we will die
In the fight for it!

Folk words and music


Unknown Wars. We continue the series of articles devoted to newspaper materials of the Civil War in Russia. It was interrupted for quite objective reasons - it was cold in the archive, and it was not very pleasant to work. But now it’s warm there, and work on the newspapers will continue. Our previous material, not counting the article “Colors of War,” was devoted to the events of the autumn of 1918 and the beginning of the “Red Terror,” which was a response to the assassination attempt on V.I. Lenin and the murder of Uritsky in Petrograd.

But then the 19th year came. Before us is another file of the Izvestia newspaper. We open it and turn to the yellowed, faded pages, which often tear right in your hands. And what do we see in them? A subjective, and sometimes very subjective reflection of completely objective events. Moreover, the selection of newspaper materials itself is also subjective. How could it be otherwise, because then we would have to place the entire newspaper here, which would be simply unthinkable. And, nevertheless, the general tone of the materials, their information content and the manner of presenting messages are visible quite clearly. Let's turn to the publications of Izvestia and see what they wrote about in the winter and spring of 1919.


And even poems were published there. Poems glorifying the death of the old and the emerging new. So A. Blok was not at all alone in his work at that time!


A very interesting article about the stratification of the village. In some ways it echoes the work of V.I. Lenin “The Development of Capitalism in Russia”. The only pity is that it does not provide at least approximate data on the ratio of kulaks, middle peasants and poor peasants in the countryside. The article calls for careful treatment of the middle peasants, against whom arbitrariness is allowed. So to speak: “separate the lambs from the goats.” And this, of course, was the right approach to the matter. The only question was: “Who are the judges?”


Events abroad


Here is a very interesting material - L. Reisner whitewashes his lover. Well, yes, that same fiery revolutionary, intimate friend of Inessa Armand, who immediately after the revolution occupied an entire palace, wrapped herself in expensive furs, had servants and took a bath of five types of champagne. When her party comrades reprimanded her that this was supposedly unbecoming, she replied: “Didn’t we make the revolution for ourselves?!”


Details of the murder of Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg

As we remember, the minutes of the meeting of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of September 2, 1918 prescribed:

“Shoot all counter-revolutionaries. Give district committees the right to execute on their own... Set up small concentration camps in the districts... Take measures to prevent corpses from falling into unwanted hands...”

Responsible comrades in the Cheka and in the regional Chekas were ordered to be present at the executions, to see everything with their own eyes and at the same time to worry that if something happened, they would not be spared in the same way. As a result, people in Russia began to be shot according to orders issued from above, guided by the principle: “If there was a person, there would be a reason to spank him!” In St. Petersburg, for example, an order was issued to shoot 500 “former” people. But the faithful son of the CPSU (b), the head of the St. Petersburg security officers, Gleb Bokiy, exceeded it by 800 people, shooting 900 people in St. Petersburg itself and another 400 in Kronstadt.

“A priest, an officer, a banker, a manufacturer, a monk, a merchant’s son - it’s all the same. No mercy",

- the Pravda newspaper wrote in those days, calling for total terror against the forces of counter-revolution.

Dzerzhinsky's comrade-in-arms, Latvian Martin Latsis, also wrote in Izvestia in August 1918 about the abolition of all previous rules of warfare:

“Killing all those wounded in battles against you is the law of civil war.”

Comrade Zinoviev spoke even more specifically in September of the same year at the party conference of the Petrograd Bolsheviks:

“We must lead ninety of the hundred million people who make up the population of the Soviet Republic. The rest of us have nothing to say. They need to be eliminated."

“The first question,” Latsis echoed, “that you must ask the arrested person is what class he belongs to, what origin, education or profession he is. These questions should decide his fate. This is the meaning and essence of the Red Terror.”

It is clear that the true guilt of anyone was of least interest to all these “figures”, and lists of those arrested and executed were now regularly published in newspapers for the edification of everyone else!

And here’s what’s interesting: already on January 5, in Pravda, Bukharin wrote that it was necessary to reform the Cheka, because if things continue like this, the Chekas will begin to invent work for themselves, that is, degenerate!

Well, in the “Izvestia of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee” on January 30, 1918, the same Martin Latsis, by the way, a member of the board of the All-Russian Cheka, admitted that this organization requires a personnel purge and unification with the regular police, and that they together submit to local executive committees. That's how it is! And after all, the district Chekas had already been liquidated! And why? Yes, because there very often there was real arbitrariness going on in relation to the best and most educated part of the Russian population.


Here it is, this article by Latsis. And what’s not in it. And what is work in the Cheka "had a destructive effect on the fragile characters of young communists", and what is needed "new people”, which from the closed district Chekas will move to the provincial ones... And, they say, it is necessary to give less menial work to the security officers, which is precisely why the Revolutionary Tribunals are needed. In general, he wrote a lot of things

However, the most surprising thing about this article is that it is quite close in meaning to the letter of P. A. Kropotkin, the leader and theorist of anarchism, who, right at the height of the Red Terror, wrote to Lenin, asking for a personal meeting. Referring to the experience of the Great French Revolution, he made the following statement against the dominance of the Cheka:

“The Russian people have a large reserve of creative and constructive forces. And as soon as these forces began to establish life on new, socialist principles amid the terrible devastation brought about by war and revolution, the duties of police investigation, assigned to it by terror, began their corrupting, pernicious work, paralyzing all construction and putting forward people completely incapable of it. The police cannot be the builder of a new life, and yet it is now becoming a sovereign power in every town and village. Where does this lead Russia? To the most malicious reaction..."

It is interesting that P. A. Kropotkin personally met with Lenin at least twice, and not just met, but accused him of creating a new bureaucracy, unleashing a Civil War and “Red Terror” against all dissidents. Again, Kropotkin’s letters to Lenin were then hidden in state archives without access throughout the entire existence of the USSR and were discovered and published by historians only in the 1990s. In one of them, addressing the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Ulyanov-Lenin, Kropotkin wrote:

“To rush into the Red Terror, and even more so to take hostages <...> is unworthy of the socialist revolutionary party and shameful for its leaders <...> To open the era of Red Terror means to admit the powerlessness of the revolution, to go further along the path it [terror] has planned, means admitting your imminent death <...> The police cannot be the builder of a new life. Meanwhile, it [the police] is now becoming the supreme authority in every city and village. Where does this lead Russia? To the most malicious reaction!”

With his intercession, P. A. Kropotkin saved many innocent people from executions and imprisonment, in particular, the famous historian S. P. Melgunov and lawyer P. A. Palchinsky. By the way, Lenin personally ordered the Cheka-GPU authorities not to “touch the old man.” Living his last years in Dmitrov, Kropotkin was under constant surveillance by security officers.


And here about the bandits. Criminals acting together with the White Guards, and about conscientious workers from whom the Cheka received the necessary information...


But in addition to the open and hidden enemies of people, the young Soviet state also had such an enemy as typhus. Its epidemic has spread to almost all parts of the country. And naturally, Izvestia paid a lot of attention to this problem.




And again typhus...


Another very interesting material. About Father Makhno!

The revolution required not only leaders, but also national heroes. And as soon as such a candidate was outlined somewhere, the press immediately began to praise it to the skies. Moreover, “his main force was, of course, the communists”! But did he send wagons with bread to Moscow and Petrograd? Sent! So, he was a great guy, and not in words, but in deeds!


Again about Makhno


Continuation of the article about Makhno


The Left Socialist-Revolutionaries still do not know peace...


"Learn military science properly" - V.I. Lenin called, and here is an article on military training


The Third Communist International was created. “And you, Vasily Ivanovich, for which International? For the Second or for the Third? - “Which one is Lenin wearing?!” (Dialogue from the film “Chapaev”)


But in God-saved Penza, fists began to move again. We organized a demonstration...


The security officers also took bribes. And for this they were shot!


Death of Sverdlov


Three courts. “There are no trained personnel, so let’s take workers!”


But what was happening at that time in the camp of the counter-revolution...


Finally, the Soviet revolution in Bavaria!


And a new threat: Kolchak has risen in the East!

Well, what happened in the country in the summer and autumn of 1919, and what the Izvestia newspaper wrote about it, will be discussed in our next article.

To be continued ...
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  1. +6
    4 December 2023 04: 29
    "The only thing that can destroy us is a louse"
    Quote from Lenin 22.11.1919/XNUMX/XNUMX
    A very difficult time. Yes, you can choose many different things from the Izvestia newspaper, but the most mentioned character in 1919 in this newspaper is A.I. Denikin. The young republic is under blockade, and it is still unknown who will win.
    In defense of Peter Kropotkin. I don’t know if there are any cities left in the Russian Federation with names containing the surnames or party pseudonyms of revolutionaries, maybe there is something, but the city of Kropotkin has existed since 1921 to this day.
    1. +6
      4 December 2023 05: 12
      City of Dzerzhinsky, Moscow region. Even the regions remained.... Leningrad region for example. And now there will also be a Leningrad military district.
      1. +4
        4 December 2023 08: 26
        City of Dzerzhinsky, Moscow region.
        City of Dzerzhinsk, Nizhny Novgorod region. The largest chemical production.
      2. +3
        4 December 2023 10: 33
        Dzerzhinsky died early. The personality is strong, but very complex. I didn’t leave any negativity in people’s memories. It is quite normal that cities bear his name.
        I didn’t write about the regions, only about the cities.
      3. BAI
        +1
        4 December 2023 17: 08
        Don't forget Kaliningrad
    2. +5
      4 December 2023 06: 28
      This city is a hundred kilometers away from me. My son studies in the cadet corps there. By the way, Kropotkin was a geologist. On the city’s coat of arms it is marked with the crossed hammers of a geologist. And in fact of terror.. Yes, the red terror was a response to the white one. However, There were some excesses too, I don’t argue
      1. 0
        8 December 2023 10: 49
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Kropotkin was a geologist. On the city's coat of arms it is marked with the crossed hammers of a geologist.
        Not this one?
    3. +1
      4 December 2023 06: 43
      Exactly . Krasnodar region. And next to my native Armavir wink
    4. 0
      4 December 2023 06: 43
      Exactly . Krasnodar region. And next to my native Armavir wink
    5. +7
      5 December 2023 14: 30
      “Our previous material, not counting the article “Colors of War,” was devoted to the events of the autumn of 1918 and the beginning of the “Red Terror”, which became a response to the assassination attempt on V.I. Lenin and the murder of Uritsky...”
      ****************************************************************************************
      Let's clarify - a rather LATE answer...

      After all, the author does not remind us that the Bolsheviks came to power in October 1917. And that the interventionists and counter-revolution switched to mass terror against them and their supporters almost immediately...

      The Bolsheviks, it turns out, spent a WHOLE YEAR patiently trying to refrain from a “symmetrical response”... And they gave the “go-ahead” only in September 1918...

      By the way... The author again “introduces” the reader in detail to “what” was happening in the country. But he stubbornly avoids giving an answer “why” everything happened...

      This means that we are dealing with a “chronicle” (moreover, presented very “selectively”...), but not with HISTORY...
      1. -2
        6 December 2023 07: 11
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        But he stubbornly avoids giving an answer “why” everything happened...

        A series about newspapers. That's why it's a "chronicle". Write the story yourself. If possible...
        1. +2
          6 December 2023 13: 56
          Dear author, thank you for the “clarification”. And, special thanks for the advice...

          But it seemed to me that the VO forum thread on which your article was posted was called “history”. Perhaps, due to myopia, I was mistaken...

          By the way, in order to write articles on history, it is not at all necessary to “sit in the archives” every time, personally “checking” the content of primary sources.
          This is my message about the impossibility of working in the archives of France. To cover the contents of French newspapers during the reign of terror, the so-called. "Great French"...

          You know very well that in most cases, simply references to quotes from materials that are quite officially in scientific circulation are quite enough. That is, - and materials, references to which are quite acceptable when writing both scientific (doctoral and candidate's dissertations), and diploma and even term papers...

          After all, while publishing your very good materials on the history of the Middle Ages, you do not speak either Latin, or the Old Romance languages, or Old Germanic. And the sources of those times were mainly built on them...
          1. 0
            6 December 2023 15: 06
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            And the sources of those times were mainly built on them...

            And in English!!! I have a monograph in Germany on the English-language historiography of knightly weapons - its entire source base is given there. You can find it on the Lambert publishing house website and buy it. The most complete work on this topic in Russia and abroad.
          2. 0
            6 December 2023 15: 11
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            But it seemed to me that the VO forum thread on which your article was posted was called “history”.

            You can’t get enough branches for every short-sighted person! And the editor inserts the materials...
            1. +1
              6 December 2023 22: 20
              I was just stating a fact.

              Although I could simply “short-sightedly” answer you, with a quote from your own comment to one of your “counterparts”. In my comment “something made up is written, then why is it not in the table of contents of the VO forum threads”?..

              In addition, you personally, referring to the editor’s decision to post your material on the VO forum thread with the title HISTORY, did not object to the editor in any way. Although, as I myopically “spotted” on the VO forum there are also threads from the category “opinions”, “analysis”...
              1. 0
                7 December 2023 07: 50
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                There was no objection to the editor.

                Only fools object to editors!
                1. +3
                  8 December 2023 00: 22
                  It's clear. Those. those who, unlike you, have their own, and not a “lecturer’s” opinion...
                  1. -2
                    8 December 2023 07: 54
                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    It's clear. Those. those who, unlike you, have their own, and not a “lecturer’s” opinion...

                    Everyone has their own opinion. But it is only fools who express it out loud, whether it is true or not. An Arabic proverb says: “The offending tongue is cut off along with the head!” But in general, you need to sleep at night. This is health!
                  2. -1
                    8 December 2023 07: 58
                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    and not a “lecturer’s” opinion...

                    It was indicated by the CPSU Central Committee!
      2. -1
        6 December 2023 15: 13
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        patiently tried to refrain from a “symmetrical response”

        Did you try that? So the Cheka didn’t shoot anyone? The only difference was that lists of those executed were not published in newspapers!
        1. +2
          6 December 2023 22: 31
          Exactly. They tried PATIENTLY. Almost a WHOLE YEAR. Moreover, both in relation to the “notorious” monarchists, and in relation to the cadets declared “outlaw” by them, and not the chronicler

          If you, Vyacheslav, “as a historian,” and not just a “chronicler,” are interested in facts. I'll bring them to you. They are more than eloquent...

          By the way, you shouldn’t engage in banal substitution of concepts. Executions by the Bolsheviks for committing specific ANTI-STATE and PROVEN crimes, as a MEASURE OF CRIMINAL punishment, and the (belated) transition of the Bolsheviks to the POLICY OF RESPONSE CLASS TERROR towards their opponents are QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT concepts...
          1. -1
            7 December 2023 07: 49
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            I'll bring them to you.

            Do me a favor. I want to get the number of comments up to 200. Such a nice round number.
            1. +2
              8 December 2023 00: 38
              Well, if it’s all about arithmetic and your “wants”, then I understand you. And I will help you...

              And for those who have already successfully mastered the elementary school arithmetic course, I, first, will remind you of the “subscriptions” (not “receipts”) of Krasnov, Purishkevich, general. Melnikova. We will turn to the rest, for example, the cadets, who were loudly “outlawed”, later...

              By the way, Purishkevich, “monarchist No. 1”, caught preparing an armed rebellion, was released from prison (“temporarily”) by the “bloody” Bolsheviks due to the illness of his son. And on May 1st, they were thrown out of prison altogether, in connection with the amnesty on the occasion of the Proletarian holiday...

              Somehow the Bolshevik, notorious bloodiness is not visible “point-blank”...
        2. +1
          7 December 2023 18: 12
          kalibr"So they tried? That is, the Cheka did not shoot anyone? The only difference was that the lists of those executed were not published in the newspapers!"
          The Reds regularly reported in the newspapers who they shot. Maybe not all those shot were reported.
          In September, lists of executed hostages were published. The first list appeared in the newspaper “Izvestia of the Perm Provincial Executive Committee of the Council of Workers, Peasants and Army Deputies” on September 11, 1918 and included 42 names.
          1. -1
            7 December 2023 21: 11
            Dear Andrey! Our opponent is just a little... stupid. He writes without understanding what he is writing. Look what he wrote: By the way, you shouldn’t engage in banal substitution of concepts. Executions by the Bolsheviks for committing specific ANTI-STATE and PROVEN crimes, as a MEASURE OF CRIMINAL punishment, and the (belated) transition of the Bolsheviks to the POLICY OF RESPONSE CLASS TERROR towards their opponents are QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT concepts...
            If you think a little, it turns out that before the start of the “Red Terror” people were executed for proven crimes as a criminal punishment. Normal, right? And then... Then they were executed for unproven crimes, but just like that! That is, genocide was being committed against its own people, including its most educated part. Very qualitative difference...
            1. +2
              8 December 2023 01: 00
              Sorry, your stupid opponent will still ask a naive question
              question... Even three...

              We can talk about some kind of “genocide”, and even of some “own” people, during the Civil War, which has a PURELY CLASS character?.. Who is this, in the fall of 1918, i.e., A YEAR, after the arrival of the Bolsheviks to power and the beginning of the policy of RESPONSE “red” terror, for them were their “own” people? “Class brothers” - Nobles, bourgeois, clerics, etc. and so on.?..

              Further... Who, where and when, during the transition to the policy of MASS terror, in relation to their opponents, in general, published any “lists”?... Let's say, during the so-called. The “Great French”, who carried out PREVENTIVE (and not retaliatory) MASS terror, both against the nobles and clerics, and against the peasants of the Vendee, published somewhere “lists” of hundreds hanged and sent on barges along the Seine?.. Or “ lists of "hundreds of CHILDREN executed in "children's" guillotines specially designed for children"?..

              Maybe during the Civil War in the States, someone published “lists”?.. During the course of terror, not retaliatory at all, but “mutually reciprocal”?..

              Why did you get it into your head that the Bolsheviks, after switching to the POLICY OF RESPONSE Terror, executed someone “just like that”?.. They executed, excuse me, ALREADY FOR SOCIAL BELONGING TO A HOSTILE class. Those. began to do the same thing that the hostile classes had been doing for a WHOLE YEAR against the Bolsheviks...
              1. -1
                8 December 2023 07: 50
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                They executed, excuse me, ALREADY FOR SOCIAL BELONGING TO A HOSTILE class. Those. began to do the same thing that the hostile classes had been doing for a WHOLE YEAR against the Bolsheviks...

                You are impenetrable... Destruction of people for their social affiliation without guilt is genocide. And the whites... yes, they also did it. But there is a subtlety. Who were the victims of the whites and who were the reds? White did not reach the top of the red ones. Uritsky and Lenin are nonsense. The white “lower classes” were eliminated. In essence, they were engaged in decommunization of the population. And there were a lot of lows. 98% of Russians. But the Reds liquidated the most literate part of the population. Of course, the illiterate peasants from the Pobeda Committee are also people, but they are not comparable in quality to the same Gumilev and other “formers”.
                1. +2
                  8 December 2023 14: 48
                  “But the Reds liquidated the most literate part of the population.”
                  *******************************************************************************
                  Stop the “lyrics” that are powerless to “drive” to the forum. Whom the Reds destroyed is clear from the Decree “The Fatherland is in Danger” of February 21, 1918. And the aforementioned “literacy” is not an indulgence in lawlessness against those who rose up to fight the CLASS exploiters. Those. lawlessness against the working and exploited PEOPLE...

                  Let me remind you that the Reds moved to MASSIVE implementation of the provisions of the aforementioned Decree and other documents of a “repressive” and “mobilizing” orientation only in the AUTUMN of 1918...

                  IN RESPONSE to MASS TERROR by the whites...
          2. +2
            8 December 2023 01: 08
            And also, from a slightly stupid opponent...

            On January 30, 1918, as the author writes, a certain M. Latsis (aka Sudrabs), proposed to “liberate” the Cheka with “militia”. And even carry out a “personnel purge” of the Cheka apparatus...

            I (stupidly, of course...) clarify that on January 30, 1918, the Cheka "turned" only about a month and a half from its creation. And the “cadres” of this body, by this time, numbered only 120 people...
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  3. +3
    4 December 2023 05: 54
    The Left Socialist-Revolutionaries still do not know peace...
    They only dreamed of peace... smile
  4. +16
    4 December 2023 06: 30
    On the screensaver there is a drawing by the artist I.A. Vladimirov, whose work appeals to Mr. Shpakovsky. As they say, “a fisherman sees a fisherman from afar.” They are similar, only one first did not perceive Soviet power, but then with pleasure pecked from her palm, then another with precision vice versa. Oh, how I painted in 19, but then times changed, I caught the wind of change.
    1. 0
      4 December 2023 07: 44
      I didn’t like it, I just couldn’t find a suitable picture. But you gave me a real gift and the drawing you provided will appear in one of the following materials. And regarding the article... Something made up is written there, something that didn’t exist, huh?
      1. +6
        4 December 2023 08: 29
        There’s something invented written there, something that didn’t exist, huh?
        Vyacheslav, take the perestroika "Ogonyok" or "Moskovsky Komsomolets" and try to answer your question.
        1. -3
          4 December 2023 08: 46
          Quote: Aviator_
          Vyacheslav, take the perestroika "Ogonyok" or "Moskovsky Komsomolets" and try to answer your question.

          Never used them. There are no links to sources. And here they are, Sergei, in front of you.
      2. +6
        4 December 2023 13: 40
        And regarding the article... Something made up is written there, something that didn’t exist, huh?
        There were all sorts of things, that’s why it was a revolution. Over there in France, there is also red and white terror. And they had their own artists and newspapers too. So they could give an example of “civilized Europe” of those times by translating some French newspapers of that time. We compared what was written. Otherwise, everything is a trick to the Soviet regime
        1. -3
          4 December 2023 14: 57
          Quote: Unknown
          of those times by translating some French newspapers of that time.

          Newspapers from THAT TIME are found only in French archives and the NBF. And going there is expensive. And I don’t know French either. By the way, where did you find the trick? Did I write all these articles myself? Everything is transparent - take it, read it, check it...
          1. +2
            4 December 2023 18: 29
            The revolution required not only leaders, but also national heroes. And as soon as such a candidate was outlined somewhere, the press immediately began to praise it to the skies. Moreover, “his main force was, of course, the communists”! But did he send wagons with bread to Moscow and Petrograd? Sent! So, he was a great guy, and not in words, but in deeds!
            The subtext is clear, the Bolsheviks naturally glorified themselves, but what if... then they didn’t disdain anarchists with a gangster flavor. They used Makhno’s services, they didn’t hide the matter, even in the fiction “Walking through the Torment” and in the cinema “Two Comrades Served.” As time passes, people weren't talking about it on every corner There’s no point in bringing up the old, what’s happened, especially since he was a lousy ally.
            1. -3
              4 December 2023 21: 17
              Quote: Unknown
              what's old to stir up

              Those who forget their past risk repeating it!
      3. +1
        5 December 2023 15: 07
        You are better at articles on medieval history. castles, knights, all sorts of exotic things.) I read with pleasure. The civil war is not yours.) Well, you wrote about the Red Terror, maybe write about the White Terror?) For the sake of fairness.)
        1. -3
          6 December 2023 07: 13
          Quote: Nagaibak
          Well, you wrote about the Red Terror, maybe write about the White Terror?) For the sake of fairness.)

          Don't you read the above excerpts from the newspaper? There is plenty of them about white terror. Or is it not readable?
          1. +1
            6 December 2023 21: 41
            It won't be enough.))) More about the Reds. In your selection. Although both whites and reds shot people about the same. Turkul wrote that they identified communists by their gaze.)
            1. +1
              6 December 2023 23: 00
              By the way, there are more (in terms of volume...) author’s “comments” on the corresponding newspaper texts about the so-called. "red terror", and not just the newspaper texts cited in the article...
            2. -2
              8 December 2023 07: 52
              Quote: Nagaibak
              Something more about the Reds.

              So they won. That means they shot more enemies! That's all.
              1. 0
                10 December 2023 21: 50
                The losers say the communists shot more. And so they spilled approximately equally. Everyone was good. If you remove all the chaff in the form of propaganda, then even the Crimean executions of the 20s will not be so massive. And there will be not 100500 million killed officers, but much less...Many many times. But our intelligentsia, raised by commies, firmly believes in the perestroika myths of the 90s. Into democracy and other chiaroscuro.) Although time has passed and everything has changed. No, everyone just blames the Reds. Yes, Tukhachevsky is remembered for his suppression of the Tambov uprising and the use of gases against peaceful villagers
    2. +4
      4 December 2023 07: 47
      The picture, by the way, is an example of real social realism, judged by the so-called “troika” (revolutionary tribunal), a characteristic “court room”, no less colorful “judges”
      And, after all, it’s true, no matter how much I don’t want to admit it.
      Stalin, subsequently, would shoot all this revolutionary public; to put it mildly, he did not like the early security officers; he understood that a lot of rabble were recruited into the Cheka in the first years of the civil war.
      So, Vladimirov pointed out very realistically and reliably.
      1. +4
        4 December 2023 22: 19
        Quote: bober1982
        So, Vladimirov pointed out very realistically and reliably.

        It’s hard to find socialist realism in such films by Vladimirov. A peculiar character. He also wrote mocking caricatures of the poor, commissioned by the Nepmans, and immediately produced pretentious paintings commissioned by the district committee. Such a flexible citizen.
      2. +1
        5 December 2023 05: 42
        You, obviously, have seen few paintings of this character regarding the civil war, but you’re never an expert, but you saw in one of the issues of “Motherland” an article in which the author, precisely on the topic of confirming his vision of those events, added his paintings as illustrations. This is something like that you need to look for terry cliches, that it’s not a picture of noble, beautiful, spiritual and humble officers, priests, peasants in the face of the red executioners of either Jewish or Asian appearance, if Slavic, then definitely of degenerate appearance, all with their Christians in disarray and rolling cigarettes in their mouths almost each one has red, well, or seeds. This figure did not have any sense of proportion in his “creativity,” apparently, his anger ate well from within.
        1. +1
          5 December 2023 07: 34
          Quote: Buhach
          You obviously haven't seen many pictures of this

          Frankly speaking, I learned about such an artist from an article, inquired about his biography and looked at reproductions of his paintings, I really liked them.
          His paintings are kept in the Russian Museum, the Tretyakov Gallery, and in private collections.
          1. +1
            5 December 2023 07: 48
            It’s your right to admire, I don’t presume to judge his further work, but I learned about this artist when I saw his pictures of the Civil War period and, apart from disgust at the author’s bias, I didn’t experience anything, although the topic is tragic for our people and I think that it’s not right for a real artist to degrade himself like that. Therefore, there is no desire to get acquainted with his other creations; the first impression prevails. I fully admit that if I had initially seen something else, I would have come to terms with the caricature of the civil war, although it is unlikely.
            1. +1
              5 December 2023 08: 03
              Quote: Buhach
              I fully admit that if I had initially seen something different, I would have come to terms with the caricature of the civil war

              What's so caricatured about his depiction of the Civil War? Showed all her horror.
              There is no arguing about tastes, the debate is pointless, all the best.
              1. 0
                6 December 2023 02: 54
                I apologize, let me clarify, I’m not arguing about the horrors of civilian life, any normal person will agree with you and the plots of his creations are quite tragic, but the caricatured appearance of the Reds is disgusting, figuratively speaking, he has Asians, degenerates and Jews, well, just stupid.
                1. -3
                  6 December 2023 07: 16
                  Quote: Buhach
                  figuratively speaking

                  That is exactly what happened!
                  1. +2
                    6 December 2023 21: 44
                    kalibr"That's exactly what happened!"
                    Stupidity said.
                  2. +1
                    7 December 2023 02: 10
                    You are a sick person if you really think so and don’t play to the public. But I sincerely don’t feel sorry for you, it’s useless to treat you, so stay in your visions until the end of your days.
                    1. -1
                      7 December 2023 07: 42
                      Quote: Buhach
                      remain in your visions until the end of your days.

                      Same to you...
                2. +1
                  6 December 2023 07: 17
                  Quote: Buhach
                  but the cartoonish appearance of the Reds is disgusting

                  And, if you take Vasily Grigorievich Perov, with his masterpiece - “Tea Party in Mytishchi, near Moscow”
                  This image of clergy disgusts me - like they are just degenerates.
                  Artists, creatively gifted people, always keep their noses to the wind, and have a good sense of the public’s mood.
                  1. 0
                    7 December 2023 02: 20
                    You yourself determined that the theme of the civil war is tragic and there is no need to compare, I would also be unpleasant to see whites in this form, the people were the same on both sides of the barricades, citizens of their country, and passing off some as saints and others as demons Only the sick in the head can do it. Forgive me then.
    3. -5
      4 December 2023 07: 48
      "Caught the wind of change." Better the wind than a bullet. By the way, Stalin did not come to Lenin in Razliv. But in Razliv, Lenin whiled away the time not alone, but with Bukharin and affectionately called him “Bukharchik.” They covered themselves with one coat...
      1. +8
        4 December 2023 13: 59
        "Caught the wind of change." Better the wind than a bullet. By the way, Stalin did not come to Lenin in Razliv. But in Razliv, Lenin whiled away his time not alone, but with Bukharin and affectionately called him “Bukharchik.” They covered themselves with one coat
        It’s unlikely that you caught the bullet, you can’t take such people with your bare hands, they’ll slip between your fingers, slippery like soap. As for the history of the party, I’m not an expert is there anyone on that topic? , I’ve already written my candidate’s theses. As for Stalin in the spill, since he was not talking about this topic, then so be it. And Vladimirov...well, in the next world he gives an answer for his deeds, but there is one trait intelligentsia, likes to lick one place, the authorities who are currently in the country.
        1. -8
          4 December 2023 15: 02
          Quote: Unknown
          loves to lick one place, the authorities who are currently in the country.

          There is a second feature that you for some reason forgot about. And it is much more important than the first. It is she who overthrows this power, calling those below to the barricades!
          1. +4
            4 December 2023 18: 14
            Quote: kalibr
            There is a second feature that you for some reason forgot about. And it is much more important than the first. It is she who overthrows this power, calling those below to the barricades!
            Who are the intelligentsia? You're welcome to joke.
            1. -4
              4 December 2023 21: 12
              Quote: Unknown
              Who are the intelligentsia? You're welcome to joke.

              Who was Lenin? Trotsky... And many others. Were they from a machine or a plow? They had a university or gymnasium education. The biographies of those who “led the masses” are known. Kalinin alone was one of the workers as such.
              1. +1
                5 December 2023 15: 42
                "Who was Lenin? Trotsky... And many others. Were they from a machine or a plow?"
                ************************************************** ******************************
                Lenin and “many others” belonged to the intelligentsia, which NEVER swore allegiance to the existing government. This means, INITIALLY, they belonged to the OPPOSITION... The authorities never “licked”...

                For this, your attempt to “unobtrusively” put a sign of identity between the “power-licking intelligentsia” and the real opposition leading to the barricades is deception. And demagoguery... Moreover, anti-communist, in this case...
                1. 0
                  5 December 2023 16: 19
                  Quote: ABC-schütze
                  INITIALLY, they belonged to the OPPOSITION... The authorities never “licked”...

                  Really? Who was the attorney at law? Was he in the opposition in this position too? Every person working for the existing regime supports it. Even if he has something else in his head. Is this accessible to your intellect?
                  1. +1
                    6 December 2023 14: 23
                    Don't run away from the answer if it doesn't make it difficult...

                    Attorney at law is a non-political “position”. For this reason, it did not require any loyalty (let alone “licking”) to power. Just as no loyalty was required from lawyer Koni (I assume you’ve heard of him...) when he defended (and successfully defended...) the terrorist Zasulich, who fired at the owner of this office in Trepov’s office...
                    1. -1
                      6 December 2023 14: 41
                      Quote: ABC-schütze
                      Attorney at law is a non-political “position”. For this reason, it did not require any loyalty (let alone “licking”) to power. Just as no loyalty was required from lawyer Koni (I assume you’ve heard of him...) when he defended (and successfully defended...) the terrorist Zasulich, who fired at the owner of this office in Trepov’s office...

                      Still, your intellect is bad. Anyone who works for the state and pays taxes supports it. That is, he is loyal to him. Now, if he doesn’t pay taxes, but pours sand into rubbing parts, and writes comments like yours from the partisan detachment “Back to the USSR” - then, yes. But Kony did not do this. He worked for the autocratic regime, even when he defended Zasulich. He was paid a salary for this.
                      1. +1
                        6 December 2023 23: 44
                        Vyacheslav, attorney at law Ulyanov, as well as lawyer Koni, did not work “for the state.” A prosecutor worked for the state (and was a representative of the state). Let me remind you once again that the position of a sworn attorney was not “political.” ..

                        And attorney Ulyanov and lawyer Koni were in private practice and worked exclusively “for themselves.” Moreover, sometimes for free...

                        And they paid taxes to the state not out of “loyalty” to the autocracy, but because failure to pay income taxes in any state is fraught with “bans.” Well, or loss of practice...

                        In any case, “even” to my intellect this is absolutely clear. And they were loyal only to their calling...

                        Otherwise, you could, based on your interpretations of “intellectual loyalty,” immediately take “the bull by the horns” and declare the apotheosis of loyalty to the autocracy, already received by high school student Volodya Ulyanov, upon graduating from high school, a gold medal... After all, “material evidence "...
                      2. -1
                        7 December 2023 07: 44
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        And they paid taxes to the state not out of “loyalty” to the autocracy, but because failure to pay income taxes in any state is fraught with “bans.” Well, or loss of practice...

                        It doesn't matter why they paid. The main thing is that they paid. That is, they bowed before him! And they also paid for training in gymnasiums. And you fully support the current government because you pay it regularly! And no one cares about your thoughts.
                      3. +1
                        7 December 2023 16: 32
                        You started with the fact that they "worked for the state." I proved to you that this is not so...

                        Now, it turns out, “the main thing in loyalty” is different. This is “paying taxes”... It’s good that at least on the second day of the discussion the term “lick” power disappeared from your, in the context of these representatives of the intelligentsia, vocabulary... And why would that be...

                        By the way, during the Christmas holidays, a certain Alla Pugacheva is coming to Russia to perform at “corporate events”. And for her performances she will receive money, from which she will also pay taxes...

                        But it’s somehow hard for me to even imagine a more “loyal” character to the Russian authorities than Alla Pugacheva...
                2. -2
                  5 December 2023 16: 24
                  Quote: ABC-schütze
                  Moreover, anti-communist, in this case...

                  I just wet myself from fright!
                  1. +2
                    6 December 2023 14: 25
                    Well, you are in vain...

                    Then, I sympathize and will answer you with good advice from my side - take a break and change your pants...
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2023 14: 45
                      Quote: ABC-schütze
                      Werner

                      You know, Werner, I have always liked people like you. You are so easy to control. After all, all you need here is clicks. They increase the investment attractiveness of the site. And what you write has no meaning and does not play a role. Do you think you're causing me trouble with your wit? On the contrary, it makes me happy. And the funny thing is that I’m writing the truth, and... people nevertheless continue the “struggle.” Funny, right? However, you rather want to be heard, don’t you?
                      1. +1
                        7 December 2023 16: 53
                        Vyacheslav, what you “always liked” and even “sometimes” has nothing to do with the matter or the content of the VO portal thread. For this reason, this “message” of yours is a banal “watering” due to the lack of clear counterarguments.

                        Don’t be upset, but I don’t think about you either (from the word - “at all”...). Moreover, I don’t think “for” you. And “for” others too...
                        For this reason, thinking “for others” seems to be your destiny, an inescapable hereditary reflex of the “lecturer” past...

                        I am interested in the content of the articles and my opinion about this content. So everything is “simple” here...
                3. -2
                  8 December 2023 12: 23
                  Quote: ABC-schütze
                  Your attempt to “unobtrusively” put a sign of identity between the “power-licking” intelligentsia and the real opposition leading to the barricades is a deception.
                  The sign of the intelligentsia is not what kind of power and what places it licks. Vyacheslav points out to the Unknown opponent that the intelligentsia can be different: one part supports the government, the other undermines it.
                  The intelligentsia in its original (medieval philosophical) understanding meant a “thinking substance”, and later began to mean people engaged in mental work. The real opposition to the intelligentsia is not the workers or peasants, but the cattle who hate mental work due to their complete inability to perform it, and, in order to increase their self-esteem, despise those who can think. As Unknown does, in whose picture in the center there is, if I’m not mistaken, Makarevich with a guitar and other party people who have nothing to do with the intelligentsia, and the only intellectual in fact is depicted as a moron.
      2. +11
        4 December 2023 16: 50
        Quote kalibr (Vyacheslav):But in Razliv, Lenin whiled away the time not alone, but with Bukharin and affectionately called him “Bukharchik.” They covered themselves with one coat

        belay Caliber, I’m embarrassed to ask, but were you really a regional committee lecturer-propagandist? feel
        Orienting - In the Hut on the eastern shore of Lake Razliv, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin did not live with Bukharin, together with him, as you say, his comrade-in-arms Grigory Evseevich Zinoviev (real name - Radomyslsky Ovsei-Gershen Aronovich) and the son of Nikolai Emelyanov - Kondraty, whiled away the time there. who brought them provisions and was almost always on “post” at the hut, warning Lenin and Zinoviev about the appearance of strangers nearby. Before this, V.I. Lenin was hiding in the barn of an arms factory worker G.A. Emelyanov (a member of the CPSU (b) since 1904), but with the appearance of tsarist agents, he and Zinoviev in July 1917 had to move to the eastern shore of Lake Razliv under the guise of Finnish mowers. They stayed in Shalash for two months and in August, by decision of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party, Lenin was transported to Finland.
        1. -2
          4 December 2023 21: 55
          It's kind of a strange day today. The Decembrist confused Mendelev with Lomonosov, I confused Zinoviev with Bukharin... Although he knew this, he thought one thing, but his hand wrote another... A terrible thing!
          1. -1
            4 December 2023 22: 08
            It’s a truly wonderful day - today I myself confused Knyazhevo, where the famous MCC 470 is located, with Konyagino for some reason. Either magnetic storms are at work, or we’re just getting old winked
            1. -1
              5 December 2023 16: 23
              Quote: Richard
              are we just getting old?

              More like the last one! But together we will always restore the truth. Just don’t need any further encouragement.. “I’m embarrassed to ask!” If someone is shy, then they don’t ask, and if someone asks, DON’T BE SHY!
          2. +2
            6 December 2023 14: 28
            I would like to believe that this is “just today” with you...
            1. -1
              6 December 2023 15: 01
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              I would like to believe that this is “just today” with you...

              Everyone makes mistakes, Werner, who works hard.
        2. -1
          5 December 2023 16: 21
          Quote: Richard
          Caliber, I’m embarrassed to ask, but were you really a regional committee lecturer-propagandist?

          You never know who was who from 1983 to 1991. Should I remember everything from my work? You don't remember everything either!
    4. +10
      4 December 2023 08: 29
      "Listen, worker,
      The war has begun
      Quit your business
      Get ready for the hike.
      We will go boldly into battle
      For the power of the Soviets
      And as one we will die
      In the fight for this! "
      Folk words and music

      The original text of this work belongs to the popular pre-revolutionary gypsy performer of the Yar tavern, Nikolai Lutsenko, and the music, which remained unchanged in all further alterations, belongs to Mikhail Osipovich Streiberg.
      The author, apparently, does not know that in June 1903, in the publishing house of St. Petersburg: “Note Printing House of V. Bessel and Co.” in the series “Gypsy Songs of N. P. Lyutsenko”, a clavier of a romance to music with parts of the romance for soprano appeared and tenor to the music of M. O. Steinberg:
      White acacia branches fragrant
      The delight of spring blows,
      The song of the nightingale is quietly heard
      In the pale sparkle, the sparkle of the moon.
      Do you remember at night among the white acacias
      The nightingale trilled,
      Gently clinging to me, you whispered to me, languid:
      “Believe me, forever, forever I’m yours”?
      Time has flown by, and old age is merciless
      They sent us years
      But the aroma of fragrant acacias
      I will never forget, I will never forget. (With)

      Romance immediately gained enormous popularity among the entire population of Russia. As soon as the romance “White Acacia” was released on gramophone records, performed by Emskaya, Panina and Morfessi, it immediately sold out. But this is only the beginning of the story - with the advent of the First World War, based on Steinberg’s romance “White Acacia,” the Russian people created a soldier’s song that became popular at the front.
      Grandfathers, we heard that the war has begun,
      Throw your work, get ready to hike.
      We will boldly go into battle for Holy Rus'
      And as one we will shed young blood.
      The grandfathers sighed, waved their hands,
      You know, it’s your will, and the tears are wiped away...

      During the Civil War, this romance was sung on both sides of the front, but each had its own words in the text.

      The words of the romance “White Acacia” performed by the White Guard:

      Grandfathers heard - the war has begun,
      Throw your work, get ready to hike.
      We will boldly go into battle for Holy Rus'
      And as one we will shed young blood.
      Shells explode, machine guns crackle,
      Soon we will finish off the enemy calculations.
      We will boldly go into battle for Holy Rus'
      And as one we will shed young blood.
      The red chains appeared
      We will fight them to the death.
      We will boldly go into battle for Holy Rus'
      And as one we will shed young blood.


      And this is the text performed by the Red Army:

      Listen, worker, the war has begun:
      Stop what you're doing and get ready for a hike!
      Boldly we will go into battle for the power of the Soviets
      And as one we will die fighting for it.
      Shells explode, machine guns crackle,
      But the red companies are not afraid of them.
      Boldly we will go into battle for the power of the Soviets
      And as one we will die fighting for it.
      White chains appeared
      We will fight them to the death.
      Boldly we will go into battle for the power of the Soviets
      And as one we will die fighting for it.
      1. +4
        4 December 2023 08: 43
        Quote: Richard
        The author apparently does not know

        No, he doesn't. I read about the nationality on the Internet and thought that this was enough, since the article was not about songs and music. All the more valuable is your comment, Richard. Thank you!
        But I read about the anagram of the song among the whites, but did not write it. So the article came out very big.
        1. +6
          4 December 2023 09: 11
          Thank you, Richard!

          My pleasure. By the way, another interesting nuance about the transformation of Steinberg's romance "White Acacia". In the 70s of the XNUMXth century, filming began on a film based on Bulgakov’s novel “The White Guard”. The director of the film, V. Basov, faced a difficult dilemma - Bulgakov’s Turbins sang the then popular romance “White Acacia”, but after the Civil War its motive became firmly associated with the revolutionary “We will boldly go into battle.” But Bulgakov’s Turbines could not sing such a thing a priori. And then Basov makes a brilliant decision - he asks the poet Matusovsky and composer Basner to create for the film a modern replica of an ancient romance with a very similar text but completely different music. Their work turned out to be successful and their romance “Fragrant bunches of white acacia” was organically included in the film and became popular in the USSR.
          1. 0
            4 December 2023 09: 56
            The romance "White Acacia" is an unofficial Masonic hymn, acacia branches and wood are widely used in magic, masons put acacia branches in the coffins of the deceased, burn acacia during meditation, communicate with the acacia itself, making amulets from acacia wood is widely used.
            1. +1
              4 December 2023 10: 23
              Quote: bober1982
              The manufacture of amulets from acacia wood is widely used.

              Do Masons make amulets? Are you confusing them with the Rodnovers?
              1. -1
                4 December 2023 10: 27
                I pointed out that it is widely used in magic, apparently among native believers too.
                1. +2
                  4 December 2023 10: 35
                  Quote: bober1982
                  I pointed out that it is widely used in magic, apparently among native believers too.

                  That is, magic, Rodnovers, Masons, dudes - in your opinion, are they all about the same thing?
                  1. 0
                    4 December 2023 10: 43
                    I would exclude Hipster from this list, how do they relate to these groups? Just immoral young people, nothing more.
            2. +2
              4 December 2023 10: 27
              Well, the Masons and Rodnovers are far from original here. This is more like plagiarism. Acacia was considered a sacred tree among the Jews in ancient times. For example, from the Old Testament it is known that both the Ark of the Covenant and the tabernacle, and all the furniture in the Jewish sanctuaries were made of sacred acacia. Although I strongly doubt that the authors of the romance “White Acacia” - the choirmaster of the Sokolovsky gypsy choir from the Yar tavern M. Steinberg and the prima soloist of this gypsy choir N. Lyutsenko, when creating their romance, knew something about this meaning of the acacia. request
              1. +10
                4 December 2023 10: 49
                Quote: Richard
                from the Old Testament it is known that both the Ark of the Covenant and the tabernacle, and all the furniture in the Jewish sanctuaries were made of sacred acacia

                Middle Eastern acacia and our "white acacia" are different plants. Not even very related.
                1. +4
                  4 December 2023 11: 10
                  Moreover, there is no reason to blame Steinberg and Lutsenko for the creation of an unofficial Masonic anthem. This is roughly from the same opera as accusing Themistocles of Freemasonry, based on the “big-eyed” symbolism on his ships smile
                  1. +2
                    4 December 2023 11: 14
                    Quote: Richard
                    Moreover, there is no reason to blame Steinberg and Lutsenko for the creation of an unofficial Masonic anthem.

                    If this is you, then, firstly, I am not aware that “White Acacia” is a Masonic hymn, and, secondly, I have not blamed anyone for anything like that.
                    1. 0
                      4 December 2023 11: 17
                      Naturally not for you, I’m just thinking about a colleague’s comment bober1982 (vladimir):
                      The romance "White Locacia" is an unofficial Masonic hymn
                      1. 0
                        4 December 2023 11: 31
                        I probably exaggerated about the anthem, something like a Masonic drinking song, that would be more correct. Maybe they sing at funerals somewhere, who knows.
                      2. +4
                        4 December 2023 11: 49
                        Quote: bober1982
                        something like a Masonic drinking song, that would be more correct. Maybe they sing at funerals somewhere, who knows.

                        Well, as I understand it, you have been to Masonic feasts, but have not been to a Masonic funeral yet?
                      3. -1
                        4 December 2023 12: 03
                        Please note, the romance is cute, but there are no performers as such, on radio, TV and all kinds of concerts - they don’t perform it, it’s like they’ve taken water into their mouths, why would they?
                      4. +4
                        4 December 2023 12: 16
                        Quote: bober1982
                        on radio, TV and all sorts of concerts - they don’t perform it, it’s like taking water in your mouth, why would they?

                        Do you think the Masons prohibit the performance of their drinking songs on TV and all kinds of concerts?
                      5. +1
                        4 December 2023 12: 23
                        Everything in this world is possible (the words are not mine, I do not claim authorship)
                2. +2
                  4 December 2023 11: 54
                  One family. Although, of course, it is very large.

                  I caught myself thinking that I don’t really imagine Middle Eastern acacias.
                  1. +6
                    4 December 2023 12: 04
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    I caught myself thinking that I don’t really imagine Middle Eastern acacias.

                    Look in Wikipedia "Acacia seyal".
                3. 0
                  4 December 2023 19: 35
                  Middle Eastern acacia and our "white acacia" are different plants.
                  Absolutely right. What we call “White Acacia” is of North American origin, brought to Russia at the end of the XNUMXth century.
            3. +6
              4 December 2023 10: 29
              The romance "White Locacia" is an unofficial Masonic hymn

              About the romance - the hymn of the Freemasons - this is clearly an urban legend. The acacia branch, as a symbol of the immortality of the soul, was borrowed by the Masons from the Jews back in the XNUMXth century, for whom acacia is a sacred tree. Moses even made the Ark of the Covenant from acacia.
              But the post-revolutionary emigrants, yes, revered romance as their anthem.
              1. +1
                4 December 2023 11: 56
                Yes. The Shittim tree is some kind of acacia. Just try to figure out what it is.
                1. +4
                  4 December 2023 14: 46
                  Shittim wood is the wood of the Vachellia seyal tree, Seyal acacia or red acacia. In Ancient Egypt, coffins were made from it. And the Jews are the Ark of the Covenant.
          2. -1
            4 December 2023 10: 21
            Quote: Richard
            Bulgakov's Turbins sang the then popular romance "White Acacia"

            Yes God is with you. What kind of “white acacia” does Bulgakov have? Can you provide a quote?
            1. +7
              4 December 2023 10: 51
              The pre-revolutionary romance “White Acacia” performed by actors playing the Turbins and their guests was heard in the play “Days of the Turbins” based on M. Bulgakov’s play “The White Guard” from the stage of the Moscow Art Theater. Chekhov since 1926! While the production after the death of I.V. Stalin was not banned. According to documents stored in the Moscow Art Theater Museum, Stalin watched the performance 15 times! It was thanks to the attention of the “Father of Nations” that “Days of the Turbins” was resumed in 1932, and in total, until July 1953, the production ran for 987 performances.
              1. -2
                4 December 2023 11: 06
                Quote: Richard
                The pre-revolutionary romance “White Acacia” performed by actors playing the Turbins and their guests was heard in the play “Days of the Turbins” based on M. Bulgakov’s play “The White Guard” from the stage of the Moscow Art Theater. Chekhov since 1926!

                Where did you get this information from?
                1. +5
                  4 December 2023 11: 15
                  It’s difficult for you to go to the official website of the Moscow Art Theater. Chekhov?
                  Internet problems?
                  1. 0
                    4 December 2023 11: 21
                    Quote: Richard
                    Internet problems?

                    I was banned there.

                    Quote: Richard
                    It’s difficult for you to go to the official website of the Moscow Art Theater. Chekhov?

                    Difficult. Please give a quote.
          3. +1
            4 December 2023 15: 00
            Quote: Richard
            In the 70s of the XIX century, filming of the film based on Bulgakov’s novel “The White Guard” began. Film director V. Basov faced a difficult dilemma

            Here I can agree that the director of the film V. Basov faced a difficult dilemma... especially considering that
            The history of cinema began its countdown on December 28, 1895, when the first film screening was held in Paris on the Boulevard des Capucines in one of the Grand Café halls.
            That is, 25 years before the first film screening, the director, who will be born 28 years after this event, will begin filming a film based on the novel, which will be written two years after his birth!!!! good good good Really cool, this isn't "Back to the Future" from Robert Zemeckis...
            1. +3
              4 December 2023 15: 08
              Great joke smile Of course, the XNUMXth century. Thanks for pointing out the typo. This happens sometimes when you type a text from your phone. request In such cases, I always upvote the person who corrected it.
          4. +1
            4 December 2023 23: 41
            Quote: Richard
            Thank you, Richard!

            Another interesting nuance about the transformation of Steinberg's romance "White Acacia".

            Thank you ! It turns out that later it was corrected to a widely known version. Special thanks for recording the first version good
      2. +5
        4 December 2023 09: 28
        And here is the original appearance of this work.
        Romance "White Acacia" (music by M.O. Streieberg lyrics by N.R.Lutsenko).
        Performed by nar art. USSR Nadezhda Obukhova. Archival recording

        pay attention to the photo of the gramophone record - it clearly states that this is an old gypsy romance
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      4. +2
        4 December 2023 17: 21
        No matter how hard I tried to sing about the acacia to the tune of “Listen, comrade..”, it just doesn’t work (
        They probably tweaked something there for the passionaries.
    5. 0
      5 December 2023 10: 50
      They are similar, only one did not perceive Soviet power at first, but then happily pecked from the palm of its hand, then the other was exactly the opposite.
      I strongly agree with you. He's still a gentleman. At one time he called him a Gauleiter (a couple of years ago), since then he has only “progressed”.
    6. +1
      5 December 2023 14: 40
      It seems that Ioganson’s work does not appeal to Shpakovsky at all...

      After all, it’s somehow hard to believe that in his search for the “real picture”, he didn’t come across the picture “Interrogation of Communists”...
  5. 0
    4 December 2023 08: 07
    Interesting stuff. The presentation style of state media has remained virtually unchanged for 100 years; propaganda remains the same.
    1. +2
      4 December 2023 08: 49
      propaganda remained as it was.

      And it should be, in the interests of the people and the state... And censorship is also needed, also in the interests of the people and the state...
    2. -1
      5 December 2023 14: 48
      And the so-called Has the “non-state” media changed?.. And not only in Russia or Soviet Russia?..

      And free from the aforementioned “propaganda” that has existed since before the birth of Christ?..
  6. 0
    4 December 2023 08: 57
    Well, the counter-revolutionaries who captured the USSR, with everything they did, said and wrote, proved that the communists were right to defend their Soviet State from them. and people.
    1. -1
      4 December 2023 19: 00
      Quote: tatra
      correctly, the communists defended their Soviet State from them. and people.

      Of course right! But for some reason, at the age of 91, the people did not want to defend the communists themselves, and they also did not want to defend themselves. There was a party of 18 million and did not defend themselves. Whatever was ordered from above, she did right away. That is, she ran away from sin.
      1. +2
        5 December 2023 15: 18
        “Of course it’s correct! But for some reason, at the age of 91, the people didn’t want to defend the communists themselves...”
        ************************************************** *************************************
        Something happened to “my memory”?.. Or, not mine?..

        Mine somehow tells me that in March 1991, the PEOPLE of the USSR, in a national referendum, with a MAJORITY of 76%, COMMITTED the government to PRESERVING the USSR.

        Those. TO SAVE BOTH Soviet Power AND SOCIALISM. Neither the first nor the second (and therefore the sovereign development of the country in the interests of the people), as the experience of the 20th century has shown and PROVED, is impossible without communists...

        So, what do you mean the people “didn’t want to”?.. Or maybe the “perestroika” authorities did not give such an opportunity to the people, simply betraying them?..
        1. -3
          5 December 2023 16: 28
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          Maybe the “perestroika” authorities did not give such an opportunity to the people, simply betraying them?..

          Poor people, everyone betrays them, everyone deceives them... They probably deserve it!
          1. +1
            6 December 2023 14: 04
            Sorry, but this answer of yours belongs to the style and category of “tram polemics”...

            The people and their LEGAL will were betrayed by the authorities, and not by some abstract “everyone” behind whom you are trying to emotionally hide...
            1. -3
              6 December 2023 14: 57
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              betrayed power

              Martians from Jupiter!
            2. -4
              6 December 2023 14: 59
              Quote: ABC-schütze
              Sorry, but this answer of yours belongs to the style and category of “tram polemics”...

              Do you deserve something more? This is enough for you.
        2. -3
          5 December 2023 16: 29
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          BY A MAJORITY of 76%, THE GOVERNMENT COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THE USSR.

          In words! I REALLY COULD NOT ACHIEVE IT!
          1. +2
            6 December 2023 14: 11
            On what kind of “words”?.. Participation in the All-Union referendum is a CONCRETE ACTION of the Soviet people. And not some “words”...

            By the way, wouldn’t it be difficult for you to give a number of clear historical examples of when any “community” managed to “actually” achieve “its own”, being betrayed by its own leaders and authorities?..
            1. -3
              6 December 2023 14: 56
              [quote=ABC-schütze]this is a CONCRETE ACTION of the Soviet people. And not some “words”...[/quote]
              What's the point of this particular act? We chatted and parted ways!

              By the way, wouldn’t it be difficult for you to give a number of clear historical examples of when any “community” managed to “actually” achieve “its own”, being betrayed by its own leaders and authorities?..[/quote]

              You want to say that there are no such examples, right? And if not, and this has been known for a long time, then was it even worth starting?
  7. -7
    4 December 2023 09: 09
    Yakov Sverdlov, the former leader of the Yekaterinburg organized crime group, and then the Chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, made a stop in Oryol during a rally and was severely beaten by Oryol railway workers. It was as a result of the injuries received and a cold possibly contracted during transportation that this bastard died.
    The first government and state structures consisted entirely of criminals, traitors, crime bosses and state criminals, whom we glorify and erect monuments to.
    The philosopher Dugin, speaking at the Synod, said that it was necessary to end the confrontation between the Reds and the Whites. I think several generations will have to change before this happens.
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    2. +5
      4 December 2023 10: 32
      Quote: Alexander Kuksin
      The first government and state structures consisted entirely of criminals, traitors, crime bosses and state criminals

      Ostap suffered ...

      How many members of the first government of the RSFSR do you know?
      1. +2
        4 December 2023 11: 19
        Comments are kept for a long time.....
        Some will wait until they come after them “for discrediting the authorities” - the legal successors of which are the authorities of the Russian Federation.

        Politics is a delicate matter.... And Shpakovsky understands this perfectly well, not like the “daring” commentators...
    3. +3
      4 December 2023 11: 34
      If you are not a slanderer, then PROVE your words
      The first government and state structures consisted entirely of criminals, traitors, crime bosses and state criminals.
      1. -5
        4 December 2023 11: 56
        There is no need to prove anything here. First you need to read the biographies of anyone you choose. Then correlate their activities with the legal laws of any state. According to these laws, all of them are subject to VMN. And with double standards, Navalny is a revolutionary! And the entire liberal party is the heirs of the Bolshevik revolutionaries, Socialist Revolutionaries and anarchists.
        1. -1
          4 December 2023 18: 01
          This is what needed to be proven. You are not able to prove your words. And if we evaluate the enemies of the USSR on the territory of the USSR they captured, then for them their “beloved” Gulag alone will not be enough for all their crimes.
          1. -2
            4 December 2023 18: 54
            Quote: tatra
            This is what needed to be proven. You are not able to prove your words. And if we evaluate the enemies of the USSR on the territory of the USSR they captured, then for them their “beloved” Gulag alone will not be enough for all their crimes.

            When I taught the course “Company Organization” to my students, I always said that in a large team it is necessary to hire one/one ... “a little bit of that.” This supports the mental health of the team. But if the team is very large, then such a person will certainly appear in it himself. And under no circumstances should he be fired! On the contrary, you need to treat him well!
        2. 0
          5 December 2023 17: 54
          Navalny is for private ownership of the means of production, like the current government, so Navalny is not a revolutionary, but flesh and blood of the bourgeoisie
      2. 0
        4 December 2023 12: 03
        Quote: tatra
        state criminals.

        There is nothing to prove here. They were all involved for crimes against the state, were in prison, served exile, and were sent to hard labor. From where, however, it happened that they fled...
        1. 0
          4 December 2023 12: 12
          Quote: kalibr
          All of them were prosecuted for crimes against the state

          Solzhenitsyn, for example, was also involved. However, under the current government they erect monuments to him.
          1. -3
            4 December 2023 15: 05
            Quote: DenVB
            Solzhenitsyn, for example, was also involved. However, under the current government they erect monuments to him.

            And Lenin was in exile in Shushenskoye. And there are monuments to him all over the country. Wheel of history...
            1. -2
              4 December 2023 16: 07
              Quote: kalibr
              And Lenin was in exile in Shushenskoye. And there are monuments to him all over the country.

              Lenin planted the bomb, a well-known fact.
            2. 0
              4 December 2023 18: 06
              Well then, demolish the monuments to Yeltsin and Solzhenitsyn. According to your logic, they are both state criminals.
              1. 0
                4 December 2023 18: 48
                Quote: tatra
                Well then, demolish the monuments to Yeltsin and Solzhenitsyn. According to your logic, they are both state criminals.

                Irina, what's wrong with you? Monuments began to be erected to them when the system they fought against had already collapsed! Why demolish them now?
              2. 0
                5 December 2023 08: 52
                Definitely criminals!
        2. -2
          4 December 2023 18: 04
          That is, the communists correctly repressed the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people and put them in the Gulag? During your Perestroika, it immediately became clear that tens of millions of you are enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.
          Or, as always, “is this different”?
          1. -1
            4 December 2023 18: 46
            Quote: tatra
            The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people were correctly repressed by the communists and imprisoned in the Gulag

            From my point of view, this is certainly correct. But the system itself was wrong, and that’s why it collapsed. That's all. And ANY SYSTEM has the right to imprison its enemies. The only question is whether it is correct or not. Wrong systems plant and... collapse. The right ones are planted and... exist!
        3. 0
          5 December 2023 14: 44
          [/quote]criminals, traitors, crime lords and state criminals.[quote]
          let's let go of state criminals and traitors? This is still relative to which state. Here we can assume that 100 percent of the top leadership of the Soviet government are state criminals of the Republic of Ingushetia and the Eastern Front and their own traitors. Who was the crime boss or the criminal?
    4. 0
      4 December 2023 13: 44
      Yakov Sverdlov, former leader of the Yekaterinburg organized crime group,

      Yekaterinburg has always been famous for its organized crime groups.
    5. 0
      5 December 2023 15: 33
      labor and capital will never be reconciled, the contradictions are fatal, and you were in vain quoting the crazy ignoramus Dugin
      1. -1
        5 December 2023 17: 16
        It would be interesting to put you and Dugin against each other in a discussion duel, who would be recognized as a crazy ignoramus?
        I am not familiar with Dugin's works. Not my topic... I just heard his speech at the Ecumenical Council.
        1. 0
          5 December 2023 17: 35
          who would admit it? bourgeoisie? fascists? The Dugins also tried to judge Dimitrov
          1. -1
            6 December 2023 07: 20
            Quote: 224VP_MO_RF
            The Dugins also tried to judge Dimitrov

            Yes, they didn't succeed. Then. But with whom is Bulgaria, which he built, now?
            1. -1
              6 December 2023 09: 20
              Bulgaria has always been like this. It is enough to read the notes of military doctor Pavlov or Baroness Vrevskaya, or military doctor Botkin of participants in the Russian-Turkish war.
              Life physician Botkin wrote:
              *Our brothers are not at all hospitable. They don’t feel any need, and ask them for anything - only one refusal: *No, bro!* If you catch him in a lie and urgently demand something, you will hear the most fabulous price. But you have to eat and you pay...*
              *....Apathy and indifference of Bulgarians towards Russians...
              Baroness Vrevskaya:*....The Bulgarians charge soldiers four times for everything; nasty brothers, they make me terribly angry. This is written by the national heroine of Bulgaria.
              And Dimitrov... I think that this is more of an artificially created PR based on his famous speech. Some historians doubt that the tongue-tied and not very educated Dimitrov could have written it himself. Most likely it was passed on to him through the Comintern or something else, and he just had to learn it.
              1. -1
                6 December 2023 12: 16
                Have you actually read Dimitrov’s works? Or is it not a noble thing to read the works of the mob, it’s better to read the counts
                1. -2
                  7 December 2023 08: 32
                  Do you think that an individual with a 4th grade education, a drunkard and a womanizer could write something worthwhile?
                  1. 0
                    7 December 2023 10: 19
                    I don’t remember that any of the Romanovs, despite their brilliant education, wrote something worthwhile, played the fool and drove the fool, especially the last one. And as for drunks and womanizers, this again refers to the aristocracy; your Yusupov was a fag, as it turned out. “I haven’t read it, but I condemn it,” these are the people like you who ruined the Soviet government with your bureaucracy, then quickly changed your shoes and are now licking the ass of capital.
            2. -1
              6 December 2023 12: 14
              Bulgaria, which he built, has not existed since 1990, because they succeeded now, this also applies to Russia
  8. +5
    4 December 2023 09: 52
    So A. Blok was not at all alone in his work at that time!

    It was at this time that Blok, after visiting the Petrograd Cheka in February 1919, from which he was released only at the insistence of Lunacharsky, finished his creative work.
    And Sergei Zarevoy is almost the same age as Blok, the Russian poet and fabulist Sergei Koshkarov. By the way, an interesting point. Both dreamed of becoming lawyers. But Blok left the third year of the law faculty of St. Petersburg University because he lost interest in jurisprudence and became interested in philology and Lomonosov’s daughter, and Koshkarov left the Demidov Law Lyceum due to extreme poverty. By the way, perhaps this is one of Koshkarov’s last poems. In 1919, on the way to the Eastern Front, he fell ill with typhus and died.
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    2. +6
      4 December 2023 10: 23
      Probably the daughter of Mendeleev, not Lomonosov)))
      1. +3
        4 December 2023 10: 30
        Of course Mendeleev. What is called - reported.
        1. +5
          4 December 2023 12: 57
          Greetings, Sasha! hi
          Greetings, Victor! hi

          In the photo - Lyubov Dmitrievna Mendeleeva - the same Beautiful Lady whom Alexander Blok so sublimely described in poetry.
          1. +3
            4 December 2023 13: 16
            Blok was too keen on Eternal Femininity, having read V. Solovyov, by the way, Akhmatova called Lyubov Dmitrievna a total fool, although perhaps this was a female squabble.
            1. +5
              4 December 2023 13: 54
              Here Akhmatova is clearly disingenuous. It would be a stretch to consider a complete fool a person recognized in the world ballet community, who has written many professional works on ballet topics, including “Classical Dance: History and Modernity,” which is still considered fundamental in the field of Soviet ballet studies.
              By the way, L.D. Mendeleeva-Blok, under the stage name Basargina, served in the theater of V.F. Komissarzhevskaya, and in the theater of L.B. Yavorskaya. And in the First World War she was a nurse.
              Most likely, Akhmatova had in mind L.D.’s love of love, emancipation and numerous novels. Mendeleeva-Blok and was simply envious of a woman.
          2. +6
            4 December 2023 13: 19
            Interesting fact The eldest daughter of Dmitry Ivanovich Olga Dmitrievna Trirogova-Mendeleeva is known to many as the author of the book "Mendeleev and His Family", but not many know that this daughter of Mendeleev was widely known in pre-revolutionary Russia as a breeder of purebred dogs, and in the USSR as the founder of the famous nurseries "Red Star" ", originating from the NKVD service dog nursery, which O. D. Trirogova-Mendeleeva organized at the personal request and patronage of F. E. Dzerzhinsky.
            a photo. O. D. Trirogova-Mendeleeva with her daughter Natalya.
            1. +2
              4 December 2023 20: 25
              and in the USSR as the founder of the famous “Red Star” nurseries, which originated from the NKVD service dog nursery, which O. D. Trirogova-Mendeleeva organized at the personal request and patronage of F. E. Dzerzhinsky.
              photo. O. D. Trirogova-Mendeleeva with her daughter Natalya.

              You are wrong. The Central School of Command Staff of Service Dog Breeding and the kennel of the OGPU troops under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, where, under the patronage of Dzerzhinsky, Olga Mendeleeva worked as a consultant, and the school-kennel of service dog breeding at the Higher Infantry Tactical School "Vystrel", which would later become the Central Order of the Red Star School of Military Dog Breeding - These are different nurseries.
              The first was organized on November 20, 1923, in accordance with order No. 166/43 of the chairman of the OGPU under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR F.E. Dzerzhinsky, the second - on August 23, 1924, on the basis of order of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Red Army No. 1089.
    3. +1
      4 December 2023 11: 16
      Quote: Dekabrist
      and died.

      What interesting comments today. Didn't know this. Thank you!
  9. 0
    4 December 2023 10: 08
    "The city of Colmar has been cleared by the Poles." Let me be curious, how and which Poles could clear the city of Colmar, which is located in the Rhine Valley, on the Western Front?
    1. +4
      4 December 2023 10: 52
      "The city of Colmar has been cleared by the Poles." Let me be curious, how and which Poles could clear the city of Colmar, which is located in the Rhine Valley, on the Western Front?

      This is not the same Colmar in Alsace. This is Colmar, which is in Silesia. Today it is called Chodziez. During the Greater Poland Uprising, serious fighting took place there.
  10. +5
    4 December 2023 10: 09
    I’d like to kick you for laziness))) For example, the article about Makhno is interesting, but what the hell can you read from the screen, from paper, I guess it’s easier? But then you have to type the text yourself. And there are a lot of interesting things there. for example, how intensely they mythologicalized that Makhno had only Selyuks - oops! And they are such Selyuks there that at the “Gulyai-Polye Agricultural Machinery Plant they cast and fit locks” for guns, and quite successfully - what the hell are the Selyuks!
    1. +6
      4 December 2023 10: 55
      Locks are cast and fitted at the Gulyai-Polye Agricultural Machinery Plant

      By the way, at that time there were two agricultural machinery factories in Gulyai-Polye.
    2. +3
      4 December 2023 11: 14
      Quote from Bingo
      I'd like to kick you for being lazy)

      The whole value here is that it is a newspaper! If I start giving this material with links to it, you won’t get back at me... And here... everything is in front of you. And do you think that finding, reading, photographing and cutting all this is easy work? My back hurts after this, oh my!
      1. +2
        4 December 2023 11: 19
        Quote: kalibr
        easy work?

        I believe) But from the screen, it’s an infection, even though my eyes are all broken, the beginning of the article is unreadable
        1. +1
          4 December 2023 11: 57
          Quote from Bingo
          But from the screen, it’s an infection, even though my eyes are all broken, the beginning of the article is impossible to read

          Reading with a huge newspaper bound into a huge book on yellow-yellow paper is even harder. Sitting is uncomfortable - a long distance from the top of the newspaper. Only standing, bending over. After just two hours of work, my back starts to hurt terribly.
          1. +3
            4 December 2023 13: 43
            There is such a program - https://www.camscanner.com
            The Chinese have developed it well, try it, maybe it will work... Scanning to text. at least at work I had to process worse visible text with it... Editing, of course, is required. but... Much easier already
            1. +2
              4 December 2023 14: 42
              By the way, Caliber gives you very valuable advice Bingo. Excellent program! Completely free. Takes up little space + small distribution volume + great functionality!!! I simply don’t see any analogues for such a small size. There are distributions directly for cell phones for Android and Apple. One thing, not all archives are allowed to enter with your own phones and cameras. In some cases you have to hand them in on duty, and copies are ordered directly from the archive itself
              1. +3
                4 December 2023 15: 08
                Quote: Richard
                One thing, not all archives are allowed to enter with your own phones and cameras.

                In my city it is possible. Thanks for the advice!
            2. BAI
              +1
              4 December 2023 17: 00
              https://www.camscanner.com

              Finereader has been around for 30 years. You can try the Yandex option - convert pictures into text.
              1. 0
                4 December 2023 18: 42
                Quote: BAI
                Finereader has been around for 30 years. You can try the Yandex option - convert pictures into text

                I have it, but it works terribly with newspaper articles from that time. Doesn't recognize. Nonsense comes out...
  11. -1
    4 December 2023 10: 35
    Quote: Vladimir80
    propaganda remained as it was.

    And it should be, in the interests of the people and the state... And censorship is also needed, also in the interests of the people and the state...


    I would prefer that the media provide more than just propaganda.

    In general, I believe that the interests of the state and the people are not the same thing, and that the state should serve the people, and not vice versa. Naive, right?
    1. +2
      4 December 2023 11: 52
      If the troika court was introduced in 1919, then what about the order of the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR dated July 30, 1937 on the creation of the NKVD “troika”. Is this a repeat order or what?
      1. -3
        4 December 2023 11: 58
        Probably when the “civilian” ended, the threes were cancelled. But then we remembered the valuable experience...
        1. +1
          4 December 2023 19: 12
          most likely the first troika-tribunals were inspired by Stolypin’s troikas.
          1. +2
            5 December 2023 17: 05
            Quote from cpls22
            The first troika-tribunals were inspired by Stolypin's troikas.

            If you are talking about Military Field Courts, then not threes, but fives. The chairman and four assessors are usually combat officers.
      2. +1
        5 December 2023 17: 03
        Quote: agond
        Is this a repeat order or what?

        The NKVD simply did not exist in 1919.
        But there were also “police troikas” organized in 1935 by Yagoda. We fought against passport regime violators, declassed elements and criminals. Unlike the later “troikas,” they could not apply the highest degree of social protection. The maximum term they gave was 5 years.
        Obviously, three is the smallest odd number to reach a verdict not alone. Comfortable.
    2. 0
      4 December 2023 12: 00
      Quote: S.Z.
      In general, I believe that the interests of the state and the people are not the same thing, and that the state should serve the people, and not vice versa. Naive, right?

      The state is, in fact, an organization of servants of the people. But for some reason, the “servants of the people” have always lived and live better than the “gentlemen” themselves.
  12. 0
    4 December 2023 12: 51
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: S.Z.
    In general, I believe that the interests of the state and the people are not the same thing, and that the state should serve the people, and not vice versa. Naive, right?

    The state is, in fact, an organization of servants of the people. But for some reason, the “servants of the people” have always lived and live better than the “gentlemen” themselves.


    Well, probably the owners are gentlemen, which means they are very kind and allow it. Or they are not gentlemen, but vice versa.
  13. +4
    4 December 2023 14: 09
    Another very interesting material. About Father Makhno!

    The material in the newspaper is really interesting, and also contains many interesting topics that can be used for articles.
    "On instructions from Makhno Gorev."

    Why not a topic for an article. in February 1919, anarchist Grigory Gorev, on behalf of Makhno, brings trains with grain and coal to Moscow, as the Bolshevik newspaper enthusiastically reports. And four months later he dies in a battle between the Makhnovists and units of the Red Army. This is such a sharp turn. We put the Izvestia newspapers from February 1919 and July 1919 next to each other and look at the publications about the Makhnovshchina. And we are very surprised at the speed of changing shoes.
    1. 0
      4 December 2023 15: 10
      Quote: Dekabrist
      We put the Izvestia newspapers from February 1919 and July 1919 next to each other and look at the publications about the Makhnovshchina. And we are very surprised at the speed of changing shoes.

      You are getting ahead of yourself! We still have to do that. The material ended on March 24, 19...
  14. +3
    4 December 2023 16: 15
    Quote: Dekabrist
    We put the Izvestia newspapers from February 1919 and July 1919 next to each other and look at the publications about the Makhnovshchina. And we are very surprised at the speed of changing shoes.


    Anyone who lived through the 80s and 90s is unlikely to be very surprised by the speed of changing shoes. Something tells me that a similar change of shoes awaits us ahead.
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    1. +1
      4 December 2023 18: 03
      Quote: BAI
      What are the complaints against the communists?

      Where in the article does it talk about claims? Or claim = mention? But you can’t remove the words from the song. It was.
  16. 0
    4 December 2023 17: 22
    Was Poland already “abroad” at the beginning of 1918? Only in October 1918 did the Polish Regency Council announce the creation of an independent Polish state.
  17. +4
    4 December 2023 18: 11
    agond and dear author, this is not the case with “threes”.
    In May 1918, the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars "On Revolutionary Tribunals" was issued. Jurisdiction of the tribunals: fight against counter-revolution, sabotage, espionage, hooliganism, pogroms, misuse of Soviet documents. All other crimes are within the jurisdiction of local courts. In each tribunal, in addition to the investigative board, there were three-member boards of prosecutors elected by local councils. During the Civil War, tribunals remained only in provincial and large cities. The composition included three members elected by the executive committees of the Soviets.
    At the same time, a system of courts was built. The Decree on "On Court No. 1" in 1917, in 1918 two more decrees, in November 2 the All-Russian Central Executive Committee approved the "Regulations on the People's Court of the RSFSR". The systems of rev. tribunals and courts existed in parallel until 1918, one state - two judicial systems.
    Well, the third system is the Cheka. In March 1918, the formation of local emergency commissions began, subordinate to the Cheka (vertically). Local bodies of the Cheka were formed by local Soviets with the rights of their departments. Members of the Cheka were appointed and recalled by the executive committees of local Soviets. Executions of the Cheka begin: the investigative body often uses execution at the scene of the crime, without transferring the case to the revolutionary tribunal. Moreover, the death penalty was officially introduced only in June 1918. On September 02, 1918, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee Resolution “On Red Terror” was adopted - terror was turned into a political instrument. And three, in fact, systems existed until 1921. The Cheka was rebuilt into the GPU under the NKVD of the RSFSR.
    The civil war is actually over, the country began to codify legislation, and then they decided to create the USSR. Very briefly, something like this with the judicial and extrajudicial system in the RSFSR during the Civil War.
    1. 0
      4 December 2023 18: 39
      Thanks for the interesting comment! I cannot explain every passage from the newspaper otherwise the article will be unreadable. So comments like this have great educational value.
  18. +1
    4 December 2023 18: 31
    Richard (Richard), dear, can you tell us more about Dzerzhinsky’s role in the creation of “Red Star”. I considered it a purely army nursery.
    1. +1
      4 December 2023 19: 17
      Quote: kalibr
      Probably when the “civilian” ended, the threes were cancelled. But then we remembered the valuable experience...

      I specifically searched and did not find any mention of troika ships in 1919, but the fact that they appeared in 1937 is full of such data.
    2. 0
      4 December 2023 19: 17
      Quote: kalibr
      Probably when the “civilian” ended, the threes were cancelled. But then we remembered the valuable experience...

      I specifically searched and did not find any mention of troika ships in 1919, but the fact that they appeared in 1937 is complete..
    3. +3
      4 December 2023 20: 26
      Richard was wrong.
      The Central School of Command Staff of Service Dog Breeding and the kennel of the OGPU troops under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, where, under the patronage of Dzerzhinsky, Olga Mendeleeva worked as a consultant, and the school-kennel of service dog breeding at the Higher Infantry Tactical School "Vystrel", which would later become the Central Order of the Red Star School of Military Dog Breeding - These are different nurseries.
    4. +3
      4 December 2023 20: 28
      Testov (Evgeniy), dear, why purely army? Our Border District, for example, received puppies from there. And we are far from army men. Again, I operate only with personal impressions of the 80-90s. I don’t know how things stand now. I myself was in Konyagino for work only once - in the early 90s. He was a senior member of the canine team from SAPO. I asked myself to see my father; at that time he was serving at the Migalovo military air base. The command was accommodating to me, although at that time I was an ordinary command post. While our specialists were getting acquainted with the young animals, the Konyagin political officer organized a personal tour of the nursery for me, even taking units to the museum. So all the information is from there. EMNIP, the history of the unit begins in 1924 - at first it was a pigeon nursery of the Red Army Signal Troops and the OGPU-NKVD, and only with the arrival of O.D. Trirogova-Mendeleeva, at the personal request of Dzerzhinsky, it became what it is now - the pride of the domestic canine service.
      1. +3
        4 December 2023 20: 57
        Here Victor Dekabrist writes that I’m wrong:
        Richard was wrong.
        The Central School of Command Staff of Service Dog Breeding and the kennel of the OGPU troops under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, where, under the patronage of Dzerzhinsky, Olga Mendeleeva worked as a consultant, and the school-kennel of service dog breeding at the Higher Infantry Tactical School "Vystrel", which would later become the Central Order of the Red Star School of Military Dog Breeding - These are different nurseries.

        Anything can happen - half a century has already passed, I myself am in my seventh decade. For some reason I confused Knyazhevo where the MCC is located with Konyagino.request
        But about the activities of O.D. I learned about Trirogova-Mendeleeva there - from the political officer of the MCC.
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          4 December 2023 22: 32
          seventy years old

          So we are the same age.
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    4 December 2023 19: 20
    For some reason, one clipping was left without attention - about the merger of the General Staff, the Main Staff, and the Collegium for the Organization of the Red Army. This is a whole layer of history that directly relates to the theme of the site. Topic for a serious article.
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    5 December 2023 13: 30
    Thanks to the author for the political information hi