Seymour Hersh: Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Zaluzhny entered into negotiations with Russia on a ceasefire without Zelensky’s consent

130
Seymour Hersh: Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Zaluzhny entered into negotiations with Russia on a ceasefire without Zelensky’s consent

American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh made yet another statement that attracted special attention. To begin with, let us recall that Hersh once published an exposé in which he named the United States of America as the culprit of the explosions on the Nord Stream gas pipelines. After this, the US authorities began to refute Hersh, publishing all sorts of fables through controlled media, including the one according to which “a group of Ukrainians sympathetic to the authorities of the countries arrived at the site of the explosion on a yacht rented in Poland, on instructions from one of the high-ranking Ukrainian officers - to commit sabotage "

Now Seymour Hersh, citing an unnamed official in Washington, said that “ceasefire negotiations have begun” between Russia and Ukraine.



Hersh:

These negotiations are being conducted by the chiefs of the general staffs of the armed forces of Ukraine and Russia - Valery Zaluzhny and Valery Gerasimov. At the same time, Zaluzhny is negotiating with Russia without the consent of President Zelensky, because the West made it clear to Zelensky that if he does not agree to negotiate with Moscow, then someone else will do it.

According to the Pulitzer Prize winner, negotiations are being conducted taking into account the prevailing circumstances at the front. Hersh states that the Russian side takes the position that Kyiv must recognize Russian jurisdiction in Crimea and the territories of Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions under Russian control.

Hersh:

Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory.

So far, neither Moscow nor Kyiv have officially responded to this publication by the American journalist.
    Our news channels

    Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

    130 comments
    Information
    Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
    1. +41
      December 1 2023
      This is news... Well, gee... I hope that VVP and Gerasimov will explain everything to him intelligibly. But something looks like a duck...
      1. Msi
        +6
        December 1 2023
        At the same time, Zaluzhny is negotiating with Russia without the consent of President Zelensky

        Maybe a duck... But Zaluzhny needs to be immediately arrested and interrogated, with passion... the piglet can be smoked with a soldering iron...
        1. +4
          December 2 2023
          Seymour Hersh: Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Zaluzhny entered into negotiations with Russia on a ceasefire without Zelensky’s consent

          Well, who will talk to him in Russia? Only if pro-Western Russian oligarchs, seeking to escape Western sanctions, and other Russian liberals henpecked by the West are in power from the so-called. pro-Western "peace party", behind which stand the pro-Western Russian oligarchy and the pro-Western pre-war consumer attitude to life.
          1. +9
            December 2 2023
            The Russians spoke about the most important thing for conducting the Northern Military District of Russia. No one has ever conducted such surveys before. Namely.

            The Tsargrad Institute was not afraid to ask Russian citizens about how the SVO should end, about attitudes towards migration from Central Asia and the problem of abortion.
            Not everyone in power will like honest answers. But the opinion of the Russian people will have to be taken into account.

            The latest representative study showed that out of 2000 respondents in various Russian regions 62% fully support Russia's SVO against Ukroreich. This is 2/3 of Russians, who, in principle, can and do advocate for the complete victory of Russia over the Ukronazis and over the Eurofascists in Ukraine.

            There are also many who disapprove of SVO in Russia - 20% of Russians, who, in principle, can advocate a truce between Ukroreich and Russia - for selfish reasons or simply out of philistine stupidity!

            See in detail (from 1:45 min) - The Russians said the most important thing. No one has ever conducted such surveys before. Published: 24.11.2023/655/95. - https://dzen.ru/video/watch/52110f2cb68754320aXNUMXdXNUMX
            1. +22
              December 2 2023
              What kind of... ceasefire?! Negotiations on surrender, division of Ukraine into occupation zones (between Russia, Belarus and Transnistria), trial of war criminals, destruction of Bandera and their legacy. And no conditions or reservations on the other side.
        2. +5
          December 2 2023
          And why, this petty thought that they can come to an agreement with another Khasavyurt, does not let me go a single step? Maybe our media creates such confidence that we will certainly reach the Polish border and beyond... but in reality it’s not so?
          Take, for example, the example of Krynki, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine have held a bridgehead on the left bank of the Dnieper for three months. Yes, one can argue that this is a good and convenient trap for the systematic destruction of enemy personnel. But whoever understands will wonder what is going on with the logistics of supplying the Ukrainian Armed Forces group, where they can deliver not only ammunition for the defense of the bridgehead, but also food, medicine and, obviously, rotation of l/s. And three months is not a week of stubborn battles with a stubborn landing force, until the cartridges run out... But they don’t run out!
          And what is it all about with the railway bridge above Kherson, is it really true that groups of Ukrainian Armed Forces freely cross it to our slaughter, crawling like sheep?
      2. +59
        December 1 2023
        Married is a war criminal, just like the cocaine Fuhrer. These are ghouls who gave criminal orders to exterminate the civilian Russian-speaking population. I don’t believe in negotiations, but such an article from a Western journalist is good for us. It obviously won’t add any sympathy between these nits.
        1. +22
          December 1 2023
          Quote: Black
          Married is a war criminal, just like the cocaine Fuhrer.

          With them, only one negotiation is possible - about complete surrender!
          1. +7
            December 1 2023
            With them, only one negotiation is possible - about complete surrender!

            It's true. Hypothetically, they are possible, but then why would Hersh, firstly, leak information, and secondly, it is unlikely that the topic would be Ukraine’s accession to NATO (at least at the level of the chiefs of general staff.)
            1. +17
              December 2 2023
              Quote: Black
              It's true. Hypothetically, they are possible, but then why would Hersh, firstly, leak information, and secondly, it is unlikely that the topic would be Ukraine’s accession to NATO (at least at the level of the chiefs of general staff.)

              Negotiations are now only needed by the States.
              They realized that there would be no victory and began to minimize losses.
              Hersh is a good journalist. But it can be used in secret.
              I believe that against the backdrop of the elections, the stuffing is directed against GDP.
              The topic that ours agree to 404 in NATO is nonsense. I'm 100% sure.
              1. +6
                December 2 2023
                Quote: Alex777
                Negotiations are now only needed by the States.

                By the way, talking about negotiations is also very beneficial for the states, especially if Hersh talks about it. If this turns out to be a “duck”, then the states will trample it into the ground, especially they will insist that the investigation into the Nord Stream explosions is also a “duck” and that Hersh has gone crazy. There may well be a setup, especially that the remnants will join NATO. Why then was there all the North Military District at all, if NATO was on the border of Belgorod?
                1. 0
                  December 2 2023
                  Quote: the most important
                  By the way, talking about negotiations is also very beneficial for the states, especially if Hersh talks about it. If this turns out to be a “duck”, then the states will trample it into the ground, especially they will insist that the investigation into the Nord Stream explosions is also a “duck” and that Hersh has gone crazy.

                  By the way, it seems quite true.
                  Hersh spoke exclusively on Nord Streams.
                  And covering it up is a very important task for Biden.
              2. 0
                December 2 2023
                Quote: Alex777
                and set about minimizing losses.

                What are their losses? Or are you talking about ukrov? After the “Bay of Pigs”, they are strictly based on losses - their own and those of others, and Ukrainians are not losses, they are statistics.
                1. +2
                  December 2 2023
                  Quote: 76SSSR
                  What are their losses?

                  By losses I mean the assets that the States have in the 404.
                  Land, enterprises, the same gas transportation system, energy, ports, etc.
                  The longer the war goes on, the greater the damage to assets.
            2. +2
              December 2 2023
              Quote: Black
              It's true. Hypothetically they are possible, but then why would Hersh, in the first place, leak information,

              This is a study of the reaction of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. The United States needs a point of pressure on Russia, a zone of instability. The US must withdraw nuclear weapons and its troops from Europe. What will remain of Ukraine is a neutral non-aligned state without the Armed Forces, military-industrial complex and Bandera nationalists. Or am I misunderstanding something? hi
              1. +3
                December 2 2023
                Of course it's wrong. Nothing should remain from Ukraine. Everything should become like in the Republic of Ingushetia: provinces within Russia.
                1. +1
                  December 2 2023
                  Quote: ZAV69
                  Of course it's wrong. Nothing should remain from Ukraine. Everything should become like in the Republic of Ingushetia: provinces within Russia.

                  Ukraine will undoubtedly remain. And even if the Urya patriots downvote me, that’s even good.
                  Firstly, there is no need to give such a gift to the Nazis as the “myth of the state of Ukraine,” which will live on for centuries, even in Canada, since the Nazis are not going anywhere, it is unrealistic to kill them all. Otherwise there will be quite a pro-Russian state of Ukraine, which will join the future Union as a republic. You need to think about the future!
                  Secondly, Russia does not have the strength and means to control the territory of Ukraine, no matter what it is called, with a disloyal population. This territory should be “quarantined” for another 20 years, under the control of pro-Russian (or anti-Bandera) UKRAINIANS, and there are many of them in Russia and abroad.
                  I think that Russia, in addition to what it already has, needs to include Kharkov, Odessa and Krivoy Rog. No more. Even Dnepropetrovsk is a rather pro-Banderite city, and to the west it’s even worse. We don’t need Bandera’s underground in Russia, with which we will still suffer.
                  1. Msi
                    +3
                    December 2 2023
                    Even Dnepropetrovsk is quite a “pro-Bandera” city

                    Fact... Some began to compare Dnepropetrovsk with Lvov... They washed themselves very well with their blood, even when the so-called ATO existed. Residents of Russian-speaking regions were sent especially for these purposes. In order to foster hatred and enmity...
                  2. +1
                    December 2 2023
                    Quote: MBRBS
                    Ukraine will undoubtedly remain. And even if the Urya patriots downvote me, that’s even good.
                    Firstly, there is no need to give such a gift to the Nazis as the “myth of the state of Ukraine,” which will live on for centuries, even in Canada, since the Nazis are not going anywhere, it is unrealistic to kill them all. Otherwise there will be quite a pro-Russian state of Ukraine, which will join the future Union as a republic. You need to think about the future!

                    And who will pay hundreds of billions of dollars of debt?? Russia? And so, there is no Ukraine and the debts will disappear. If all the regions leave it, then from whom will the debts be demanded?
            3. 0
              December 2 2023
              This just goes to show what an expert this Hersh really is.
              1. 0
                December 3 2023
                I think everything is not so UNIQUE here.......
                This guy Hersh somehow unexpectedly came out of that story with Nord Stream,
                Now it's OUT again......
                Another thing is more interesting: FOR SOMEHOW, no one in the States shuts his mouth, and somewhere in the States (?!?) And, accordingly, the question is, who is this guy “plowing” for?!
          2. +2
            December 1 2023
            ¡Exacto! Solo la rendición total, como ocurrió con la Alemania nazi.
        2. +3
          December 1 2023
          God forbid you talk to these guys about anything other than capitulation.
        3. +1
          December 2 2023
          Most likely these clowns are playing for the audience. And this supposed quarrel is also a factual bluff
      3. +8
        December 1 2023
        Hersh is not the kind of character who raises ducks. Although they could have framed him by slipping in supposedly fried material. Using such a name when doing a throw-in is worth a lot. Zaluzhny himself would hardly have made the decision without the instructions of his owners. And the owners, it must be admitted, have mastered such tricks quite well.
        1. +6
          December 1 2023
          I think we will not be satisfied with Ukraine’s entry into NATO, even if it wrests five regions from it. Only complete neutrality, restrictions on weapons, a Reichswehr reduced to one hundred thousand and the absence of an air force. Everything is like in General Foch's trailer. There is no need to invent anything. France will shut up immediately, the rest of the Entente will be very puzzled. Yes, Russian is the official language and the rights of Russian speakers must not be forgotten
          1. +6
            December 2 2023
            Quote: URAL72
            Only complete neutrality, restrictions on weapons, a Reichswehr reduced to one hundred thousand and the absence of an air force.
            And after Foch’s trailer there were elections in 33 and Munich in 38. What will happen next, you can guess for yourself? Only provinces within Russia. All!!!
      4. +3
        December 1 2023
        Negotiations, negotiations - and the goals of the SVO, voiced by Medvedev, must be fulfilled - i.e. the separation of Ukraine from the Black Sea and a number of other regions there should pass to the Russian Federation.
        1. AAK
          +1
          December 1 2023
          The entire territory of the former Ukrainian SSR should come under XNUMX% control of the Russian Federation along the conditional line Zhitomir-Vinnitsa-Odessa, the rest should go to the Hungarians, Poles and Romanians. In the current realities, it is pointless to control the entire territory of the former Ukrainian SSR; there is not enough population (most of the dill will be dumped into the Western “occupation zones”) or economic capacity for restoration... And, as they say, “... this is w-w-w- It's no accident!" - our uryakals and minusers have a reason to think...
          1. 0
            December 2 2023
            It is necessary to incorporate not Ukraine as a whole, but individual regions. Otherwise, everything will quickly return to normal. As for the western regions, the general question is: do we need them? There are foreign people there, and you can’t change them
            1. +2
              December 2 2023
              What happened to Koenigsberg?
              1. AAK
                0
                December 2 2023
                How many Germans remained to live in Königsberg after its capture by the Red Army? But there is another side to the coin in this matter - East Prussia is actually a Russian land, as a result of the 7-year war, it became part of Russia, and the residents of the East Prussia in their absolute majority (including the great Kant) took the Russian oath, even minted coin with the profile of Elizabeth Petrovna and the inscription - "Elizabeth - King of Prussia." It was only later that Petrushka the 3rd returned (for this alone he deserved his karma with a fork in the throat...) this territory to Friedrich der Grosse, but until his death he never visited Prussia again
          2. -1
            December 2 2023
            Quote: AAK
            In the current realities, it is pointless to control the entire territory of the former Ukrainian SSR; there is not enough population or economic capacity for restoration...

            I think we are able to really control and rebuild only those areas that we annexed. Let the rest remain Ukraine under our supervision. Bandera ideology should be prohibited by law - this is very important. Well, Russian is like the second state. And the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians are a fig and butter, they did not shed their blood, they did not deserve it. In addition, there is hope that Ukraine will join the Union as a republic, and if we give the western regions to the West, it will not be returned.
            1. AAK
              0
              December 2 2023
              The western regions of the former Ukrainian SSR are not a reward for Poland, Hungary and Romania, this is primarily a punishment for Bandera-Westerners, and a serious pain in the ass of these countries, the population there is much worse than the Arabs and niggas migrants familiar to the Gayropians, Bandera on the territory The Gayropians will assimilate the given western regions in about 50 years, and taking into account the number of weapons that Banderas have in their hands, this process will be very “fun”
      5. +3
        December 2 2023
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        This is news... Gee.

        This is all fake and nonsense.
      6. -1
        December 2 2023
        Neither Gerasimov nor Zaluzhny have the appropriate powers, and such an action by any of them will be qualified precisely as abuse of power, high treason, rebellion. The maximum that anyone can do is to order a subordinate commander to accept the surrender of the enemy garrison.
        Neither one nor the other had any political ambitions.
        So this news can be regarded as a throw-in on a topic that is necessary for the European community - “let’s talk in different ways about the need to suspend hostilities, then the likelihood will increase that advisers to the government leaders will hear about this and start blowing about the suspension into the ears of their bosses "
        1. 0
          December 2 2023
          Quote : “Neither Gerasimov nor Zaluzhny have the appropriate powers.” Who told you that Gerasimov has no authority? Or do you think so yourself, because you didn’t give him these powers? What is he, your subordinate? And in general, open one famous book and read: “Spit in the eyes of the one who swears for others.” Consider that I have already spat on you.
      7. 0
        December 2 2023
        Maybe it’s a setup of a married clown who won’t agree and the households will slam anyway.
      8. -1
        December 2 2023
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Gee.

        Obviously a duck, even so: DUCK. For the Russian Federation will only make sense to negotiate with Zaluzhny if he becomes president.
      9. 0
        December 3 2023
        Apparently the author of the article decided to probe the soil of public opinion in the Russian Federation, which will (I am sure) be CATEGORICALLY AGAINST such a “peace” for Russia...Why??? But because if NATO at one time deceived the USSR about expansion to the East, it will also deceive Russia. If we assume that there will still be a new Minsk3, then Putin’s rating among the people will drop sharply, since the majority of people in the Russian Federation understand perfectly well that such a “peace” will allow Ukroreich to lick its wounds, regroup, join (!!!) NATO and along the way, quietly violate agreements with the Russian Federation regarding the non-deployment of NATO strategic weapons in Ukraine. Such a “peace” is absolutely NOT BENEFITABLE for the people of Russia, but is beneficial only for the Ukrainian Reich, NATO, the majority of Russian oligarchs and the pro-Western Russian liberal crowd. Why??? Because Ukroreich, with the help of NATO, will have the opportunity to heal its wounds, arm itself even more, and after some time resume the war with Russia with renewed vigor (if there was a desire, but a reason would be found in Kiev or NATO would suggest...). A new war will be much worse than the current one and will affect the entire European part of Russia right up to the Urals... E.V. Prigozhin (head of PMC WAGNER) also warned about such a negative scenario for the Russian Federation. The stakes in this war are very high and that is why Russia there is no other choice but to win an UNCONDITIONAL VICTORY over Ukroreich and realize ALL the stated (by the President of the Russian Federation...) goals of the North Military District, where the most important thing is the NON-BLOC (!!!) STATUS OF THE NEW UKRAINE.....
    2. +10
      December 1 2023
      He added fuel to the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny)
    3. +6
      December 1 2023
      Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny entered into negotiations with Russia on a ceasefire without Zelensky’s consent
      Zaluzhny, the more Zelenskys you hand over to Gerasimov, the less time you will be given.
    4. +8
      December 1 2023
      I don’t believe it... In fact, this is interpreted as treason to the Motherland and for this up to execution... Where he still exists... Zaluzhny is not stupid enough to set him up like that, and Zelensky is not smart enough to set him up like that ... So, most likely these are just another tale from the crypt...
    5. +2
      December 1 2023
      We prepare popcorn and wait for the bustle in Kueva.
    6. +14
      December 1 2023
      "Ukraine can join NATO with the rest of its territory"
      What is doubtful...with Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye and Nikolaev?
      1. +2
        December 1 2023
        So doubtful that it clearly invites a throw-in. Things are so bad at the front that Bandera’s supporters began to think about a respite.
      2. +3
        December 2 2023
        Quote: Alexander S
        "Ukraine can join NATO with the rest of its territory"
        What is doubtful...with Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye and Nikolaev?

        Very similar to voicing American wish lists.
    7. +5
      December 1 2023
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      VVP will clearly explain everything to him

      What should he explain to him?
    8. +8
      December 1 2023
      It looks more like a fake, but we don’t need such a world, to crush the nit and wipe the nose of impoverished Europe, as well as the mattress pads and the shitting Englishwoman.

      Yeah, lucky Ukraine should remain within the borders of Galicia, no more, let the residual regions, headed by Lvov, be Ukraine, why do we have NATO at our side, and let them pay off their debts to the mattresses and passionately fraternize with the Poles, and with the rest of the Russophobes!
      1. 0
        December 2 2023
        Lviv is actually a Russian city and Chervonaia Rus. There is no point in handing him over to be desecrated. By the way, the Poles also have the Russian city of Kholm. The former capital of the Russian principality...
    9. +9
      December 1 2023
      So far, neither Moscow nor Kyiv have officially responded to this publication by the American journalist.

      Please take into account, just in case you are a firefighter, winked that they responded to VO faster than Moscow and Kyiv drinks
    10. +6
      December 1 2023
      But Hersh knows everything about ours and about the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      A well-known journalist, who cannot be quietly rolled into concrete slippers, of course knows more than the editorial staff of VO.
      But Gerasimov’s negotiations with Zaouzhny without the sanction of Putin and Zelensky? Looks like a throw-in
      1. -2
        December 1 2023
        And who said that without Putin’s sanction?
      2. +3
        December 1 2023
        But Gerasimov’s negotiations with Zaouzhny without the sanction of Putin and Zelensky? Looks like a throw-in

        Talks unofficial it’s as if they don’t exist. Gerasimov could naturally get permission from the GDP, and Zaluzhny from his overseas owners. Zelensky walks through the forest.
        1. 0
          December 1 2023
          Do you really think Zelensky is a figure? ;)
    11. -2
      December 1 2023
      Mr. Hersh voices some strange Russian position:
      Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory.

      Have our rulers already agreed for the outskirts to join NATO?
      1. -1
        December 1 2023
        And who can tell them apart, they say one thing, but do the same thing.
    12. +2
      December 1 2023
      Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory.

      What if they break the placement promise/agreement? Who will punish Ukraine and how? Fight with NATO?
      PS The terms of the contract must be different.
      1. -1
        December 1 2023
        Don't even think about it!
        If only one of the conditions is to place nuclear landmines on a permanent basis throughout the remaining territory of Ukraine and the Baltic states!
    13. +3
      December 1 2023
      It's not worth it. This is a fan attack.
      1. +1
        December 1 2023
        Let's hope. At a minimum, Russia needs all of Little Russia, everything else is a concession and defeat.
      2. +4
        December 2 2023
        Quote: Slon_on
        It's not worth it. This is a fan attack.

        Quite possible. And this is being done to stir up trouble among the people in Russia and cause discontent with the authorities, like “Putin leaked everything!” Similar comments about betrayal are already visible here.
    14. +1
      December 1 2023
      Here's grandma and St. George's Day... The end of the article about NATO is especially pleasing. If this is not a fake, then why were so many Russian soldiers put to death?! This smacks of treason. Only the capitulation of the Ukrainian Reich.
      1. +1
        December 2 2023
        Wasn’t Azov residents’ skiing around resorts treason?
    15. -1
      December 1 2023
      Quote from Fangaro
      But negotiations... without sanction

      Well, why without sanctions? Mlzhet and with sanctions
    16. +4
      December 1 2023
      "Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO." How many kilometers are from Kharkov to Moscow? A promise not to deploy strike weapons will not be worth anything. They once promised not to expand NATO, but so what? the same will happen with weapons.
      In general, the topic of negotiations is somehow humiliating for Russia.
      Then Arakhamia and Arestovich talk about the negotiations in Istanbul - Russia agreed to everything according to their words. How does this fit in with Putin’s TV appearances at that time?
      And now - do we already agree to NATO?
      1. +1
        December 2 2023
        How many kilometers are from Kharkov to Moscow?
        ---
        Is it really less than from Finland to St. Petersburg?)
    17. -1
      December 1 2023
      Well, gentlemen, patriots, it’s St. George’s Day for you ((
      If it’s true, which it very much looks like, then it smells like another dirty trick sad
      And this is after the terrorist attack on the Severomuisk tunnel!
      Hmm
      (colleague PVV66, sorry, I wrote it first, then I saw your comment))
      1. +1
        December 1 2023
        TsIPa, you are on the wrong site.
    18. -6
      December 1 2023
      Well, here it begins. The swing was for a ruble, the blow looked like a penny.
      1. +3
        December 1 2023
        What begins? - it has been said more than once: the NWO will last as long as the goals of the NWO, voiced more than once by Medvedev, i.e. - excommunication of Ukraine from the Black Sea and some other regions there should pass to the Russian Federation.
        1. -5
          December 2 2023
          When did Medvedev declare that Ukraine would be separated from the sea? "Negotiations" are most likely underway...
    19. +10
      December 1 2023
      You have to be an idiot to give Ukraine a break now
      1. -3
        December 1 2023
        Well, as if we have them, in sufficient quantities.
    20. +5
      December 1 2023
      What a mess.
      Only surrender - complete and unconditional.
      Again, during negotiations, the next Zelensky will neigh like a horse!
    21. +2
      December 1 2023
      Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory

      these are the wishes of the West, which they are very ready for
      and in general, the statement is 100% stuffing for testing and preparing public opinion in the West
      The Anglo-Saxons are an insidious and cunning enemy, and consumables for them.

      PS The critical thinking of individual users who unsubscribed here is surprising. don’t fall for this - it’s all Western ipso, don’t be so naive
    22. -1
      December 1 2023
      Too similar to the truth, betrayal is the middle name of our “elite”.
      Let's hope that this leak will not allow the hucksters to collude.
    23. +1
      December 1 2023
      Great news to be true.
      But if this is so, then the client should immediately be promised full support with money and weapons, covering the borders from external invasion if he agrees to take full power in Ukraine. Putin may well appoint him as his hetman in this territory. In exchange - the transfer of Russian regions to the Russian Federation. Perhaps, based on the results of referendums, where these referendums have not yet taken place.
      .
      There is only one caveat. The main persuader and always demanding something from someone is not capable of anything. He will be “asked” again and he will merge a possible ally. How many of them have already been merged...
    24. +6
      December 1 2023
      Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory.

      I hope that all this is first-class nonsense, because we should already understand the price of such pieces of paper. As soon as Ukraine joins NATO, it will be subject to participant status with all that it entails. Then they will file a “type of referendum” or some kind of obscenity through the Verkhovna Rada and solemnly wipe out the butt with all these papers. And we will again have a choice - to endure or to strike, but this time against a NATO member country.
      So, I repeat, the best of the worst options for us would be to finish the job and regionally include most of Ukraine into the Russian Federation. Other options are much worse for us in the long term, because we get Poland 2.0 and another strong and motivated brick in “San Cordon” between us and Europe. Not even that - this will be the last brick, we will be fenced off from Europe.
      If all this now goes to the EU and NATO, what configuration will we get? Kherson with them or Kherson on the other side of the Dnieper - how will we defend it? If the watershed between us and NATO runs along this border, then it will be a lousy border, because, among other things, there will be a Kharkov region that borders the borders of the “old Russian Federation.” From there it has already flown to Moscow - even that handicraft and semi-handicraft, do we need it so that at these distances there is a potential threat of NATO launches?

      In short, I really hope that Seymour has gone overboard and all of this is based on his deep fantasies.
      1. 0
        December 2 2023
        it will be a shitty border, because, among other things, there will be a Kharkov region that will border on the borders of the “old Russian Federation”. From there it already flew to Moscow
        ---
        Well, it’s crazy how rich they are...
        The shortest distance (by air) Kharkov - Moscow is 647,43 km
        Distance Rezekne Moscow in a straight line - 643 km.
        The distance from Moscow to Helsinki in a straight line is 892 km,
        And from Kirkenes, which has been in NATO for 75 years, it is only one and a half hundred kilometers to the main base of the most combat-ready fleet of the Russian Federation.
        And it seems like the sky didn’t fall to earth.))
    25. -4
      December 1 2023
      Well, they used to write that Seymour Hersh is smart and would not write nonsense, it turns out to be true.
      1. 0
        December 2 2023
        And the option that Hersh doesn’t even know that he wrote this is not being considered? Nowadays, tons of such emissions are dumped on the Internet. No one has canceled the information war. And people like you, the all-goers, have already started whining even at VO.
    26. +1
      December 1 2023
      Quote: Alexander Kochurkov
      And who said that without Putin’s sanction?


      and someone said that with Putin’s sanction?
      1. +4
        December 2 2023
        Do you think that Gerasimov can negotiate without Putin’s sanction? And if without Putin’s sanction, then this is even worse for Russia. Everything can be expected - the Azov people were sent to the resorts of Turkey, and the issue of Crimea was raised at the negotiations in March 22, although Crimea had already been part of Russia for 8 years.
    27. +1
      December 2 2023
      The Zelensky regime, together with Zaluzhny, should be placed in conditions of capitulation, and not a respite to accumulate forces to restore combat capability, I hope the Kremlin understands this.
    28. +4
      December 2 2023
      Negotiation ? Maybe. I categorically don’t believe in the condition about NATO. Such a condition would undermine us from within.
      1. -2
        December 2 2023
        Any “negotiations” will undermine us from within - even if Ukraine is in NATO, or not in NATO.
    29. ASM
      +1
      December 2 2023
      Yes, this is just an attempt to throw into that jar of spiders that now represents the “power” on the outskirts. They've been squabbling there for about six months now, and now they'll simply replicate every falsehood, as if there was at least some basis behind it. Pots are pinned on top of each other. What else should they do, because the old money is already in their pockets, and new ones are not yet in sight.
    30. +1
      December 2 2023
      Yeah, and we must believe these fables))) about simply “joining NATO without deploying” bases))) There should be no joining at all. The lands are also kind of muddy
    31. 0
      December 2 2023
      The stated goal of the Northern Military District is the neutral status of Ukraine. It is unlikely that it can be achieved through negotiations and lack of control over the territory of all of Ukraine. Like it or not, the issue cannot be resolved without the liquidation of Ukraine.
      1. 0
        December 2 2023
        I can say one thing for myself for sure: there is no faith in a multi-move player. Lies or does not keep any of his words. Would you like to receive an obligation to maintain the neutral status of the outskirts? From whom ? States? outskirts? UN? It has not yet dawned on him that any obligation of neutral status can be immediately shoved into.......
    32. +3
      December 2 2023
      These negotiations are being conducted by the chiefs of the general staffs of the armed forces of Ukraine and Russia - Valery Zaluzhny and Valery Gerasimov...

      What did Lavrov say yesterday following the meeting? - no revisions, no negotiations. Our author did not bother to clarify when exactly Hersh gave out this story, but it doesn’t matter - who will talk to this greasy hog, who is he, especially without authority. It's all bullshit...
    33. +1
      December 2 2023
      “Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory.”
      And since no one will ever believe this great buzz and all this news is fake
    34. +5
      December 2 2023
      I read the comments and I will say this: if such negotiations take place, I am not at all surprised. You, my dears, can squeal as much as you like, “No, it’s impossible!!” - but the fact is that no one will ask you or me. Our political elites have ALWAYS acted solely for their own selfish reasons and without explaining anything to anyone. For they have long ago reduced the concept of “state interests” exclusively to their own interests. Everything else is blah blah blah propaganda.
    35. 0
      December 2 2023
      ... "According to the Pulitzer Prize winner" ...
      Damn, I’m also a quarterly award winner! And even multiple times!
    36. -1
      December 2 2023
      Zaluzhny doesn’t even understand that you can’t be friends with Western guys! He is trying to save what is left of Ukraine. I can assume that a civil war is possible. In which we should not interfere directly. But “keep your finger on the pulse” at all times.
      1. 0
        December 2 2023
        I wanted to say - Zaluzhny is not.
    37. The comment was deleted.
    38. -1
      December 2 2023
      So far, neither Moscow nor Kyiv have officially responded to this publication by the American journalist.
      And they won't react. Few people expected to see the agreement presented by Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but nevertheless the fighting continued. So there will be no official statements from Moscow and Kyiv, except perhaps a topic for numerous talk shows for society. But post fact, as well as extraordinary stuffing like “from Cymour Hirsch” more than in order to clarify public opinion...
    39. 0
      December 2 2023

      they made an interesting cover
    40. -1
      December 2 2023
      It’s good that no one is negotiating with Klitschko. There would generally be an ambush with timing and the concept of what is happening.
    41. +2
      December 2 2023
      Finland was also neutral. If you can’t, but you really want to join NATO, then is it possible? That's not news. This is a provocation.
    42. +3
      December 2 2023
      Sorry others,
      Two or more options and all the wishes are in the direction of the pseudo-West.
      1. Even serious sources of information, and the Yankees and arrogant Saxons don’t have any, just
      are hiding behind the name of a famous journalist, a refutation will soon come from the
      journalists.
      2. If Hersh himself wrote some kind of murky article, it’s not a fact that he needs all the time
      believe, as with the Nord Stream explosions, it is quite possible that he
      world fame serves as a cover for shadow players.
    43. -3
      December 2 2023
      Looks like the guy is not a Jew!!! - the shit-eaters are up in arms now!!! They can’t sneeze in Ukraine without Fashington’s manual, so Zaluzhny is following the Pentagon’s instructions. that is, drain the dill that everyone is tired of begging for.
    44. +2
      December 2 2023
      You just have to be a vegetable without a brain to negotiate anything with the Western nits and their sixes. How many times have they betrayed Russia? Shall we jump on the same rake again?
    45. +1
      December 2 2023
      clearly and according to NATO’s plan - to urgently agree on a ceasefire, as if we are all fools, only they forgot that negotiations can be conducted without any ceasefire
    46. -1
      December 2 2023
      If this is true, then it was not in vain that Prigozhin tried to reach Moscow.
      P.S. How much did the oligarchs pay the generals?
    47. 0
      December 2 2023
      They were convinced that they couldn’t take us head-on, and decided to address doubts in the ranks of the army and people in the old fashioned way with the topic of behind-the-scenes negotiations. Calculation of collapse from the inside, very Yankee style
    48. 0
      December 2 2023
      A typical technique of the arrogant Saxons, to sow doubts, then the fifth column will howl that the authorities are betraying the defenders and then Putin goes away, they went through this pattern. Work on initial emotions, and then who will figure out whether it’s true or a fake, then as troubles begin and distrust in the authorities, the country will begin to have failures in the rear and the army on the front line. Here is the desired result for the West. So this is a plant to sow doubts and discontent, splitting the unity in our society. The clearer the skiff we steal, the more aggressively they will act. The blitzkrieg plan failed, it didn’t work out economically, all that remains is to sow doubts and on this wave bring the next Yeltsin and Chubais to power. It worked out well with the USSR, they will also try to pull it off with their stuffing.
    49. -1
      December 2 2023
      “We do not seek the truth, but the effect.” - Joseph Goebbels
      Couldn't have said it better! The most interesting thing is that there may be behind-the-scenes fuss. Suffice it to recall the extradition of the Azovites and the appearance of Abramovich in the case. So it turns out that our Guarantor also said a lot... and promised (the words of an official of this level have legal force)! The benefit of the war is that it showed everyone the true face and value of our leadership in the eyes of the people!
    50. 0
      December 2 2023
      Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory.
      Under no circumstances should Ukraine be allowed to join NATO. In a “whole” or “disassembled” form, for now it includes the Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa regions. And that's the minimum. NATO can forget about its promises and break them at any moment, and then what? SVO again? Won't the famous "fifth paragraph" cool our ardor?
    51. -3
      December 2 2023
      "Seymour Hersh: Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny entered into negotiations with Gerasimov"....
      Well, how much did the Americans promise Gerasimov?
      We must assume that this was the goal of the SVO?????
    52. The comment was deleted.
    53. +1
      December 2 2023
      All new versions of “negotiations with the Kremlin” are just an attempt to test our red lines, to find out about the readiness and extent of our compromises. As one fascist said, promise them anything, and then we will hang them. Therefore, no reaction to such questions is the best thing that citizens can do, so as not to drive hysteria in any direction in vain.
    54. The comment was deleted.
    55. 0
      December 2 2023
      Aren't you, gentlemen and comrades, scattering too much of the territories of the Russian Empire collected by our ancestors? You didn’t put Russia together and it’s not for you to divide it! Russia, United and Indivisible, was and will be within the borders of the Russian Empire!
    56. +1
      December 2 2023
      I think negotiations are a canard.
    57. 0
      December 2 2023
      Participation in negotiations and agreement to these conditions will be a terrible blow to every Russian and to the authorities in the country, and perhaps the beginning of its end and the new 90s.

      Which negotiations, which NATO, which “not to place”? Why did they start all this mess? Even the Donbass, which has been suffering for 10 years, have not yet been beaten off, leave all the other Russian-Ukrainians, and after 5 years it’s great again? There are too many issues to be resolved in negotiations.

      1. no Ukrainian authorities in Ukraine. only pro-Russian government
      2. no NATO within the borders of Ukraine.
      3. free pro-Russian media and cultural and public organizations. total control over everything that these media broadcast there.
      4. territorial concessions cutting off access to the Black Sea, as a guarantee of our security in the future.
      5. holding referendums on the annexation of regions to the Russian Federation, when we consider that the right moment has come for this.

      the list can go on for a long time...

      because No one will ever agree to these conditions. Negotiations are a canard.
    58. The comment was deleted.
    59. 0
      December 2 2023
      Hersh is a serious person. And betrayal is always afraid of publicity... Hitler conducted secret negotiations with the Russians until 1942
    60. -1
      December 2 2023
      It's a fresh idea, but hard to believe.
    61. The comment was deleted.
    62. The comment was deleted.
    63. 0
      December 2 2023
      Quote: Alexey Koshkarov
      What happened to Koenigsberg?

      All the Germans were simply evicted from there.
    64. +1
      December 2 2023
      Yes, already agree on something. So that people in the front-line territories live normally, and not under shelling every day. But here the commentators are smart, they are ready to fight for a long time, but not themselves. And no one thinks about people. Victory is just for people to live and not sit in trenches
      1. 0
        December 2 2023
        ...Yes, (ALS!) - this is the only possible plus from this behind-the-scenes muttering...
        But, (Again - Alas!) - this “peace” will NOT last long...
        ...Geopolitics has its own Laws... It doesn’t care about the interests and needs of normal, ordinary, honest and peaceful people...
        Like all these dirty politicians (On both sides... (They are now - in reality - class partners!) - do not care about these interests and needs...
        The song: “The circle of the sun is the sky around” has long been betrayed and pissed on by everyone...
    65. -1
      December 2 2023
      The author after a week of drinking and without a hangover!
    66. 0
      December 2 2023
      Quote: Alexander Kuksin
      Russia, United and Indivisible, was and will be within the borders of the Russian Empire!

      When will we conquer Alaska?
    67. +2
      December 2 2023
      Information about the negotiations that began well explains the fact of the murder of Prigozhin and the command staff of his army with the subsequent disbandment of this army. The destruction of the only shock army in the Russian Federation served as a signal for the “partners”, a kind of invitation to negotiations. This is fully confirmed by other previous “gestures of goodwill”. For example, Putin’s ostentatious inattention to the destruction of the Kursk (also a “gesture of good will”), demonstrative indifference to the destruction of the trans-Baltic gas pipeline (a similar “gesture of good will”) and other “little things”, such as ultra-fast “retreats” from occupied territories, the notorious “grain deal”, liberation of “Azov” Nazis and sniper killers. All these are “gestures of goodwill.” What about the transfer of Russia's gold and foreign exchange reserves to the same "partners"? And maintaining financial control over Russia with the help of Nabiullina? Is all this accidental and accidental? SUCH Accidents DO NOT HAPPEN, gentlemen.
    68. The comment was deleted.
    69. 0
      December 2 2023
      Hersh states that the Russian side takes the position that Kyiv must recognize Russian jurisdiction in Crimea and the territories of Donbass, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions under Russian control.

      Without Kharkov at the top and Odessa at the bottom coming under Russian control, ANY peace agreements lose their meaning. The bloomers will now reconcile, then they will sit out for three years - and they will climb again, being much stronger and prepared.
      Moreover, even during the so-called After the truce, the States and Europe will still crap from those territories that will remain under the control of the Ukrainian Reich, and will not allow us to live in peace!
    70. 0
      December 2 2023
      "...Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory..."

      Once upon a time, Gorbachev ALREADY... - Someone PROMISED SOMETHING...
      (...AND EVEN THEY GAVE THE WORD!.. “Honest and blessed!”..)
    71. +1
      December 2 2023
      This is like throwing a dead cat into our camp, with the aim of causing discord in society. Yesterday the Guarantor made it clear that we will fight until the end, although who knows, they will convince him, promise a bunch of goodies and he will change his mind. Another Khasavyurt? Then they will get stronger and not words about promises without NATO troops in Ukraine. They will blur all the agreements and try to take revenge
    72. 0
      December 2 2023
      Yes, this post is a duck, logically, gr. Ze must arrest the military commander Za. The Kremlin, of course, can believe the deceivers - Ukraine, with the rest of its territory, can join NATO, taking into account the fact that the alliance will not station its troops and strike weapons on Ukrainian territory.
    73. The comment was deleted.
    74. -1
      December 3 2023
      ...But in general - everything is correct!..
      What else can you expect when at the very, very beginning of the BD, it was already clear that this conflict would drag on for decades!..
      And even in the most successful scenario, namely, the rapid liquidation of Ukrovermacht groups in the Donbass, the rapid capture of Kyiv and access to the border with Poland, with the capture of Lemberg and the establishment of control over all Ukrainian territories...

      ...As it turned out:
      (And this is very good! Better is the Truth (And even if it’s unpleasant.) than the sweetest lies and chatter - from idiot propagandists on TV and Radio feeders...) -

      The Russian Federation does not have Real Strengths and Capabilities for a Reliable (Sustainable) and, most importantly, very UNBURNDRY occupation of Ukrainian territories...

      (Of course, there is NO doubt that - if we give our RF Armed Forces a free hand... and go after the Ukrovermacht and the Ukroreich - in full..., including with missile and bomb strikes on administrative, military -industrial, infrastructure and logistics centers (including military registration and enlistment offices) of the Ukrainian Reich...
      (The population, naturally, will have to be warned in advance and given time to escape, as the Americans did in the SFRY...) - then the conflict will end in a matter of months, perhaps weeks...
      ...And no Collective Western Aid will help!..

      ...BUT WHAT NEXT?.. Especially now, when at least half a million enemy enemies have already been destroyed?..

      ...Establish control and control, restore what was destroyed and establish a peaceful life in territories where a significant part of the population is not particularly loyal to the Russian Federation?..
      ...Chase and destroy gangs, sabotage groups (including on our territory), root out the enemy underground (Let's remember Afghanistan!), disperse demonstrations and rallies, fight sabotage and sabotage, etc., etc. P.
      ...And all this (Again - let's remember Afghanistan!) under an endless not just howl - ROAR (!)... in the West and in the USA (Permanent reason for sanctions and other unfriendly actions against the Russian Federation...) - oh allegedly "atrocities of Russian occupiers" against the poor Ukrainian people...

      ...Of course, sooner or later, we will all get tired...

      ...But the question is - DO WE NEED ALL THIS?..
      And will the price that will be paid for this “settling down” - on all these “newly acquired” lands be justified?..

      (Excluding, of course, the Lands of Novorossiya, which must be cleansed of the Ukrainian-Reich evil spirits and the authorities...)

      ...The WORLD has changed a long time ago! Neither the Americans nor their NATO partners began to occupy, nor the defeated Iraq, nor Libya..., nor Kosovo, torn away from the Serbs by force...

      ...There are tons of other problems of our own... Including those related to Geopolitics...
      (The Arctic, Transcaucasia, Central Asia with Afghanistan, the Japanese are laying claim to those islands... Our Great Chinese partners... (We should also keep our heads down with them...)
      Internal problems... Demography, for example... Contradictions between the Center and the regions, especially the outskirts... They also have a place!.. And they are getting worse - little by little!..

      Falling standard of living of the population.... Etc., etc.

      And about the fact that:
      "WE NEED TO DEVELOP OUR EASTERN REGIONS!!!!" -
      ...these propaganda cries cause nothing but bitter laughter and are not worth mentioning at all...
      The existing Russian-speaking, and even Aboriginal, population of these same Regions could somehow be preserved and protected from many possible troubles...)

      ...So, once again, the conflict, or more precisely, this confrontation, will last a long, very long time... And more than one generation, quite possibly...

      And the struggle is now going on, must go on - for the most (more or less) acceptable and painless form of this confrontation for the Russian Federation (We survived, of course, but nothing can be done!)

      (It would be nice, for example, to completely clear the Donbass, to create a corridor to Transnistria and Kaliningrad... To create military bases on the border with the Poles... But this, it seems, - Alas! - is still a dream!..)

      ...The most realistic option for the current situation is to throw the Ukrainian Reich beyond the Dnieper...
      And destroy (Raze to the Earth and not allow them to be restored.) all the Black Sea and Danube ports of the Ukrainian Reich...

      But this will require:
      ...Appropriate REAL political courage and will (And not vile political cynicism...);
      ...The most important thing is to carry out additional mobilization...
      Will the authorities agree to this and, most importantly..., will the people agree?!..
      (After all, we are not dealing with the Hitlerite invasion... And the level of patriotic intensity and readiness for self-sacrifice among the bulk of the people is not what it once was... in those terrible years for the USSR!..)
      ...And one more thing can be stated with confidence... - a seasoned mass of fired (Former exemplary (And non-exemplary!)))))) family men, office “hamsters”, hard workers and technical personnel who have learned to fight and deal with weapons , who went through fire and blood, who saw the death and torment of her fighting friends and comrades...), this (in modern realities) for those in power - THERE IS SOMETHING MORE TERRIBLE... than the Ukrainian-Nazis and other Western and US trash!..
    75. 0
      December 3 2023
      rare hat))) such a feint with the ears is possible, but it’s a complete failure
    76. 0
      December 3 2023
      I doubt it! Putin will never agree that at least part of Ukraine joins NATO! Because the meaning of this war is lost! It makes no difference to us whether all of Ukraine is in NATO or part of it!! Therefore, I think that even if they are negotiating, there is no nat!
    77. +1
      December 3 2023
      This is called “Separate Negotiations”, and they never seem to have led anyone to anything good.
    78. +1
      December 4 2023
      I hope this is a joke! Such conditions are not acceptable! Ukraine cannot be given up to NATO, and we have not occupied all the territories.
    79. +1
      December 4 2023
      I hope this is a joke! Such conditions are not acceptable! Ukraine cannot be given up to NATO, and we have not occupied all the territories.
    80. 0
      December 4 2023
      Surrender of Russia? Negotiations with whom? Will you be deceived again? Or do we want to be deceived? There are only questions left for treacherous Minsk.
    81. 0
      December 4 2023
      This is a duck for you, the West knows how and when to deal with the Russians. speak in your own terms. Here's Odessa for you

    "Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

    “Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"