Pyotr Rumyantsev. The youth of the commander

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Pyotr Rumyantsev. The youth of the commander
S. Tonchi. Portrait of Count Pyotr Alexandrovich Rumyantsev-Zadunaisky


Pyotr Aleksandrovich Rumyantsev seems to have not been forgotten by his descendants, and the story about him and his victories is in every textbook stories. However, he is not one of the “first-rank military geniuses,” and not everyone will remember him if you ask them to list the best commanders of Russia right off the bat. In this sense, he is far from Suvorov, Ushakov, Kutuzov, Zhukov, even Bagration. The results of voting for the title of the best Russian commander of all time (“Name of Victory”), published on May 9, 2014, are typical: Suvorov took first place, Zhukov took second place, and Alexander Nevsky took third place. Behind them were Kutuzov, Ushakov, Rokossovsky, Nakhimov, Dmitry Donskoy, Skobelev and Ermolov.



Meanwhile, Rumyantsev’s leadership talent was also recognized by Frederick II (the Great). And the same Suvorov treated Rumyantsev with the greatest respect, and F. Rostopchin recalls his letter to Alexander Vasilyevich’s adjutant E. Fuchs:

“Your fate is enviable; you serve under a great man. Rumyantsev was a Hero of his century, Suvorov a Hero of all centuries.”

Suvorov ordered Fuchs:

"No! Answer him - Suvorov is a student of Rumyantsev.”

We will talk about Pyotr Aleksandrovich Rumyantsev-Zadunaisky in this article.

Origin of the great commander


The future Field Marshal General was born on January 4 (15), 1725, a few weeks before the death of Peter I, whose illegitimate son he is sometimes called. The first Russian emperor really had a relationship with Maria Matveeva, who in July 1720 was married to the former tsar's adjutant Alexander Rumyantsev (Rumyantsov), an active participant in the Northern War, who also played a huge role in the return of the fugitive Tsarevich Alexei to Russia.

A. Rumyantsev’s letter to D. Titov (according to other sources, to Tatishchev) is a most valuable source of information about the last days of the life of the unfortunate son of Peter I. Grand Duke Nikolai Mikhailovich, who studied the history of his dynasty, wrote about Maria Matveeva:

“She took first place among the mistresses of the great emperor, he loved Maria Andreevna until the end of his life and was even jealous of her, which happened to him infrequently. Wanting someone to keep a tight rein on the young countess, the sovereign married 19-year-old Matveeva to his favorite orderly, Alexander Ivanovich Rumyantsev.”

He was one of those who agreed with the “royal” origin of Pyotr Rumyantsev. It is believed that the hero of the article received his name in honor of his real father.

However, it is known that Mary’s husband went on a diplomatic mission to Constantinople in October 1725 - two and a half months before the birth of his son. And Peter I at that time was already a seriously ill man, and there is every reason to believe that in the last year of his life the emperor suffered from prostate adenoma, complicated by severe prostatitis, and therefore was hardly physically able to give birth to a child for Maria Rumyantseva. Therefore, the Grand Duke, most likely, was wishful thinking - the temptation to call the great commander a scion of the Romanov dynasty was very great.


Alexander Ivanovich Rumyantsev - the father of the hero of the article, count, general-in-chief, Astrakhan and Kazan governor in the posthumous portrait of V. Borovikovsky


Maria Andreevna Matveeva-Rumyantseva - mother of the commander, lady of state, chamberlain, in the portrait of A. Antropov

By the way, after her death in 1788, Maria Rumyantseva became the heroine of Derzhavin’s ode:

“Rumyantseva! She shone
Intelligence, breed, beauty,
And in old age I gained love
Everyone has a kind soul;
She firmly closed
Marital gaze, friends, children;
Served seven monarchs
She wore the badges of their honor.”

But we got ahead of ourselves. Let's go back to 1720.

Together with the girl “spoiled” by the emperor, A. I. Rumyantsev received villages confiscated from the executed supporter of Tsarevich Alexei A. V. Kikin (former bombardier of the “amusing regiment” and orderly of Peter I, participant in the Azov campaign, member of the Great Embassy, ​​first head of the St. Petersburg Admiralty ). And then Peter also gave the husband of his passion a large plot of land on the left bank of the Fontanka, near the road to Tsarskoye Selo.

Empress Catherine I became the godmother of little Peter Rumyantsev.

The dissolute youth of Pyotr Rumyantsev


Like Charles XII, in his youth Pyotr Rumyantsev (Rumyantsov) became famous only for his unworthy and defiant behavior - and just like the Swedish king, he was able to direct this excessive “liveness of character” of his in the right direction after the start of military service.

Already at the age of 9 (according to other sources - 10) years old, Peter was enlisted as a private in the elite Preobrazhensky regiment. However, the father decided that a career as a diplomat would be more promising for his only son. In 1739, 14-year-old Peter was assigned to the Russian mission in Berlin. Here, left to his own devices, the teenager went on such a spree (even managed to take part in two duels) that the following year his father personally came to pick him up in the Prussian capital.

He sent his son to the St. Petersburg Land Noble Corps, where he quickly became famous for his daring and defiant behavior. It all ended with expulsion from the corps and an order to send Pyotr Rumyantsev to the active army, but not as a private or even a non-commissioned officer - with the rank of second lieutenant.

The Russian-Swedish War was going on, and Pyotr Rumyantsev (by that time already a captain) celebrated the capture of Helsingfors with his usual scope. But on the recommendation of A. Rumyantsev, the commander of the Russian troops, P. Lassi, sent him to Elizaveta Petrovna with the news of the successful end of the war.

According to tradition, the officer who brought news of a major victory to the court received a generous reward. It is not surprising that in such cases, couriers were often not appointed military officers, but relatives of influential persons or royal favorites. Such messengers would later be, for example, Nikolai and Valerian Zubov, the brothers of Catherine II’s last lover.

Elizabeth lived up to the expectations of Alexander Rumyantsev: his unlucky son was immediately promoted to colonel and appointed commander of the Voronezh regiment. And the father of the hero of the article was elevated to the dignity of count and, thus, “descending”, Pyotr Rumyantsev became a count. This elevation had no effect on his character. N. N. Bantysh-Kamensky wrote about it this way:

“He surpassed his comrades in daring, passionately loved the fair sex and was loved by women, knew no obstacles and often, surrounded by soldiers, in sight of them triumphed over the adamant, trained a battalion, in the costume of our ancestor, in front of the house of one jealous husband; paid the other a double fine for the insult caused and on the same day exercised his right, saying that he could not complain, because he had already received satisfaction in advance! Rumyantsev’s pranks, brought to the Highest attention, forced Empress Elisaveta Petrovna, in respect of the merits of Count Alexander Ivanovich, to send the culprit to him so that he, like a father, would punish him.”

Alexander Rumyantsev flogged his unlucky son and threatened him with a parental curse. At this time he wrote to him:

“It came to me: either sew up my ears and not hear your evil deeds, or renounce you.”

Finally, A. Rumyantsev decided to marry his restless son to Princess Ekaterina Golitsyna, who instantly fell in love with such a brilliant gentleman, but, alas, he did not reciprocate her feelings.


Ekaterina Mikhailovna Rumyantseva in a portrait by an unknown artist

After the birth of three sons, Peter stopped personal communication with his wife and, starting in 1762, for 17 years he only corresponded with her - until her death. While passing through Moscow, he did not enter his house, stopping either with his sister or even at an inn.


The middle son of P. Rumyantsev Nikolai in the portrait by J. Doe. State Chancellor, first Chairman of the State Council, honorary member of the Imperial Russian Academy. Based on his collection, the Rumyantsev Museum was created, which was initially located in a mansion on the Promenade des Anglais in St. Petersburg, and then was transferred to Moscow - to the famous Pashkov House

Meanwhile, in 1747–1748. During the War of the Austrian Succession, Pyotr Rumyantsev took part in the campaign of V. Repnin’s corps to the Rhine. The Russians received news of the end of this war when their troops were in the territory of the Czech Republic and Moravia.
In 1749, the father of the hero of the article died and Pyotr Rumyantsev, who became the head of the family, settled down somewhat and no longer found himself in various scandalous stories.

By the time the Seven Years' War began, Pyotr Rumyantsev already had the rank of major general, and in 1756 he was tasked with forming several grenadier and five cavalry regiments in Riga. In the summer of 1757, he was appointed to the 1st division of General V. Fermor, and the commander-in-chief of the Russian troops was then S.F. Apraksin. It was in that year, after the victory of the Russian army near Gross-Jägersdorf, that Rumyantsev was first talked about as a very promising commander.

Seven years war


The seven-year war, waged by two coalitions of European states, is sometimes called “World Zero”: fighting took place not only in Europe, but also in North America, the Caribbean, India, and the Philippines. Moreover, some Indian tribes took part in the hostilities. The Delawares, Mohicans, and Iroquois Confederacy were allies of the British, while the Hurons sided with the French. It was in North America that the first shots of the Seven Years' War were fired.

By the way, the Huron Indian is a positive hero of Voltaire’s “philosophical story” “The Innocent”. And Fenimore Cooper talks about the events of the Seven Years' War in the famous novel “The Last of the Mohicans” - its action takes place in 1757, among other things, it describes the battle of the Delawares with the Hurons, in which the allies of the British are victorious. Let us note that the “Indian novels” of this author are of a fantasy nature and were subjected to scathing criticism from his contemporaries. Mark Twain, for example, even wrote an entire study, “The Literary Sins of Fenimore Cooper,” in which you can read:

“There is very little difference between the Indian in Cooper's novels and the wooden figure of an Indian at the entrance to a tobacconist's shop.”

But let’s return to the real history of the Seven Years’ War, which is also called the “First Trench” and “First Artillery”. On one side then were Prussia, Great Britain, Hanover, Hesse-Kassel, Brunswick, Schaumburg-Lippe and Saxe-Gotha. On the other are Austria, France, Russia, Sweden, Saxony and many of the German states of the Holy Roman Empire.

The reasons for the Seven Years' War are called Prussia's desire to expand its territory, Austria's desire to return Silesia captured by Prussia, as well as territorial disputes between England and France over their colonial possessions. And only Russia’s participation in these showdowns that are completely unrelated to it still remains a mystery.

What goals did Elizabeth pursue in this unnecessary war for Russia, and what problems did she try to solve? After all, Prussia and the Russian Empire did not even have common borders.

Looking at the map below, you can easily see: in order to have the dubious pleasure of fighting with the troops of Frederick the Great, the Russian armies had to pass through the territory of two independent states - the Duchy of Courland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.


Seven Years' War on the map

Frederick II had no desire to fight with Russia, and for many years he sought friendship with our country. It is known that, having familiarized himself with the memoirs of Minich’s former adjutant, Christopher Manstein, this king personally deleted from them all passages that could damage Russian honor. Frederick the Great himself wrote:

“Of all the neighbors of Prussia, the Russian Empire deserves priority attention... The future rulers of Prussia should also seek the friendship of these barbarians.”

That is, there is not even a hint of aggressive intentions towards the “eastern barbarian empire”; on the contrary, Frederick II calls on the future kings of Prussia to build allied relations with Russia.

It is curious that even Valentin Pikul, a big admirer of Elizabeth Petrovna and especially Catherine II, spoke very reluctantly about the unnecessaryness of a war with Prussia, contrary to his convictions. In the novel “With a Pen and a Sword,” he quotes the words of Louis XV, Elizabeth’s ally:

“An alliance with Russia is necessary to make it more convenient to act against Russia... From within Russia itself, and to the detriment of Russia. I don’t like this country, about which we knew nothing for a long time, and when we found out, it suddenly became clear that this particular country was capable of disrupting the balance of all of Europe.”

And here is what Frederick II, Russia’s opponent in the Seven Years’ War, says in his novel regarding Louis XV’s refusal to become the godfather of Grand Duke Paul:

“I would agree to baptize piglets in Russia, just not to fight with her.”

Later, the British, allies of Frederick the Great, will provide all possible assistance to Alexei Orlov in his hunt for Princess Tarakanova.

And France in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth will support the Bar Confederation (which will be defeated by Suvorov) and will provide all possible assistance to the Ottoman Empire in its war with Russia (in which the hero of the article will become famous). And even our father Dumas, Valentin Pikul, could not answer the question: why did Elizabeth fight in alliance with the enemy of Russia, Louis XV, against Frederick II, who wanted friendship with our country, and not vice versa? And why did she even get involved in the Seven Years' War?

So, the war with Prussia nevertheless began, and Field Marshal Hans von Lewald received an order from his king, after the first victory, to enter into peace negotiations with Russia - on the most honorable terms for her. However, it was not possible to defeat Levalda - Peter Rumyantsev, who became the main hero of the Battle of Gross-Jägersdorf, interfered. Let's talk about it now.

Battle of Gross-Jägersdorf


So, in May 1757, S. Apraksin’s army (numbering up to 100 thousand people) moved from Livonia to the Neman. Fermor's 20-strong corps besieged Memel (Klaipeda), which was taken on June 25 (July 6), 1757. After this, Russian troops continued their journey to the west.

In August, Apraksin led his army to the left bank of the Pregel River. At the end of this month Lewald's troops arrived here. The numerical superiority was on the side of the Russians: 55 thousand versus 40 thousand. In addition, Apraksin's Russian army was significantly superior to the Prussian army in artillery: 154 regimental and 79 field guns, 30 Shuvalov howitzers against the enemy's 35 field and 20 heavy guns. However, only part of the Russian army took part in the battle that unfolded on August 19 (30), 1757.

Apraksin and Levald did not take care of organizing full-fledged and adequate reconnaissance and therefore, at the meeting, they did not have reliable information about the real state of the armies opposing them. Lewald intended to attack the Russians in their camp, but Apraksin had already withdrawn his troops from it at that time. In addition, visibility was sharply limited by fog, and the advantage was on the side of the Prussians, who unexpectedly came out to the Russian columns and, without being confused, attacked them on the move.


30 squadrons under the command of Schorlemmer overthrew the cavalry units on the Russian right flank and reached the rear of Fermor’s division. At the same time, Prince Holstein's cavalrymen on the other flank pushed back irregular formations of Cossacks and Kalmyks, but were driven back by Russian infantry units and artillery fire.

The main blow was taken by the 1st and 2nd Russian divisions, which were pressed against the forest, but continued to fight. In some places the battle turned into fierce hand-to-hand combat. It was especially difficult for the Saltykov and Vilboa brigades.

The reserve units of the 3rd Russian division managed to push back Schorlemmer's cavalrymen who had broken through to the rear; the Holstein cavalry, having failed to achieve success on its flank, now repelled a flank attack on the Prussian infantry. The 2nd Russian division found itself in a desperate situation, whose commander Vasily Lopukhin was mortally wounded.

But just at this time, without waiting for orders from Apraksin, Pyotr Rumyantsev began to act. He made an independent decision to attack the left flank of the Prussian army with the forces of four regiments subordinate to him - the 3rd consolidated Grenadier, Trinity, Voronezh and Novgorod. The only road was clogged with supply carts, so the soldiers had to walk through the forest.

And Bolotov recalled:

“These fresh regiments did not hesitate for long, but fired a volley, shouting “Hurray!” we rushed straight to the bayonets against the enemies, and this decided our fate and brought about the desired change.”

The Prussians, who were confused, began to retreat - and came under “friendly” fire from the second echelon of their own troops. After this, Lewald's left flank formations fled from the battlefield in panic.

Other units, covered by Schorlemmer's cavalry, managed to maintain order and retreat in an orderly manner.


The Battle of Gross-Jägersdorf in an engraving by A. Kotzebue

The losses of the parties turned out to be approximately equal, but the victory of the Russian army was indisputable and did not raise doubts.

But Apraksin’s passivity did not allow him to fully take advantage of its fruits and develop his success. To the surprise of many, the Russian commander did not give the order to pursue the defeated enemy army. And on August 27 (September 5) he began to withdraw the army to the Neman, and this retreat was similar to flight.

Many wrote about the betrayal of Apraksin, who allegedly waited for news of Elizabeth's death and feared the wrath of her heir Peter, who had a reputation as a great admirer of Frederick the Great.

However, perhaps the reasons were much more prosaic and were connected, first of all, with the poor supply of the army - both food and fodder. The clothes and shoes of the Russian soldiers were also pretty worn out, and in the conditions of the approaching autumn this could lead to significant non-combat losses. There is also information about the outbreak of a smallpox epidemic, from which the Kalmyks especially suffered.

In St. Petersburg, Apraksin was brought to trial, but died of a stroke before the end of the investigation.

In the next article we will continue the story about Pyotr Rumyantsev.
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  1. +5
    2 December 2023 05: 56
    I read a book about Rumyantsev as a child. The style of presentation was clearly different.


    “Finally, A. Rumyantsev decided to marry his restless son to Princess Ekaterina Golitsyna, who instantly fell in love with such a brilliant gentleman, but, alas, he did not reciprocate her feelings” - a wonderful phrase. And then the next one:

    "After the birth of three sons..."

    Really. Complete lack of reciprocity:
    1. VLR
      +5
      2 December 2023 06: 41
      Well, he honestly fulfilled his marital duties and I think it was not difficult for him at that time: one more intercourse, one less, and between times he cheated on numerous mistresses with his lawful wife. He made heirs to the family, and then, as it is written, he completely stopped communicating.
  2. +4
    2 December 2023 06: 27
    That is, Valerian Zubov, with a torn off leg, is not an honored combat officer, so let’s write it down.
    1. VLR
      +5
      2 December 2023 06: 36
      To be honest, I don’t understand what this has to do with V. Zubov, who was not yet born at the time described? By the way, the chapter about him in the recent article “Nikolai, Dmitry, Valerian and Olga Zubov. Brothers and sister of the last favorite of Catherine II” was called: “Combat General Valerian Zubov.” And in the text he is called a “true warrior.”
      1. VLR
        +3
        2 December 2023 07: 04
        Oh, I understand, this is for the passage about the messengers about the victory. Valerian Zubov was sent by Potemkin to Catherine with the news of the capture of Bendery, when he had not yet become an “honored military officer.” This was his first “voyage” to the active army. But he received rich rewards in the capital. Only then did he return and begin his combat path - participated in the assault on Izmail.
  3. +3
    2 December 2023 07: 33
    Biography of the “major” Rumyantsev, a happy exception to the rule for Russia.
    Vivat to Peter Aleksandrovich Rumyantsev-Zadunaisky, the great commander and teacher who raised a GREAT student.
    Many wrote about the betrayal of Apraksin, who allegedly waited for news of Elizabeth's death and feared the wrath of her heir Peter
    But Rumyantsev supported this decision of Apraskin, fully understanding the criticality of the army’s position
  4. +6
    2 December 2023 08: 52
    And only Russia’s participation in these showdowns that are completely unrelated to it still remains a mystery.
    The Seven Years' War in Europe began when Frederick II was the first to begin hostilities on August 28, 1756, suddenly invading Saxony, allied with Austria and Russia, and occupying it. On September 1 (12), 1756, Elizaveta Petrovna announced the fulfillment of allied obligations to Saxony and Austria. Moreover, in order to keep Saxony in the coalition and succumbing to the persuasion of the Polish king Augustus III (and part-time Saxon elector), Elizaveta Petrovna did in 1758 Duke of his son Charles of Saxony. Since the Courland throne was empty due to Biron’s exile. In 1762, Catherine II returned the Courland crown to Biron, considering Elizabeth Petrovna’s decision unreasonable. August III tried to protest, but they clearly hinted to him that he might lose the Polish crown. Subsequently, the Courland crown was inherited by Biron’s son, Peter. The Courlanders were against this, Peter Biron out of harm's way went abroad. In January 1795, Peter Biron arrived in St. Petersburg. After two months of negotiations, the Duke signed an abdication of the throne, negotiated for himself 2 lyama rubles in compensation for his estates, and about 69 thousand thalers, an annual pension and provision of a widow's share for his wife. And in April 1795, the Courland nobility officially recognized the subordination of their duchy to Russia. Catherine II confirmed for the nobility all its previous rights and privileges. On May 27, 1795, the Duchy of Courland became the Courland province of the Russian Empire.
    Russian armies had to pass through the territory of two independent states - the Duchy of Courland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
    Russian armies had to pass through the territory of the dependent state of Courland and the allied state, because The Saxon elector Augustus III was also the king of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
  5. +4
    2 December 2023 09: 06
    . Alexander Rumyantsev flogged his unlucky son and threatened him with a parental curse.

    As far as I remember, it didn't help. But so is marriage. He remained the “major” as he was.
    At the same time, like everyone before the “freedoms” of Peter III and Catherine II, he could be a dran and was obliged to serve. Moreover, albeit formally, but from an ordinary position.
  6. +7
    2 December 2023 09: 19
    And only Russia’s participation in these showdowns that are completely unrelated to it still remains a mystery.

    Only for those who have never heard of the St. Petersburg Union Treaty of 1746.
    Articles 2 and 3 of this treaty directly required the provision of military assistance in the event of an attack on an ally and stipulated its amount.
    Whether someone likes it or not, the main enemy for Russia was the Ottoman Empire, and Austria, due to its geographical location and political interests, was a natural (and only) ally.
    So the main culprit of this war was the completely presumptuous Kaiser Friedrich der Grosse. Okay, Petersburg and Vienna are allies. But he also managed to quarrel with France, which was an enemy for Austria and a friend for Berlin! Truly Great (censored))
    1. VLR
      +2
      2 December 2023 09: 37
      For Russia, this was someone else’s war for someone else’s interests. Russia did not have any goals of its own in this war and it did not solve any of its own problems. Moreover, the strengthening of Austria was unprofitable for Russia, which even Louis XVI later admitted. And the conclusion of a separate peace with Prussia in no way prevented Austria from later being an ally of Russia in the war with the Ottomans. The Austrians had nowhere to go - Austria needed an alliance with Russia against the Turks no less than Russia needed an alliance with Austria. And therefore it was possible to act “in the European way”: send letters of encouragement to Vienna, saying, just a little more, a little more - and we will come to beat Frederick together with you. But we can’t yet, the army is not ready, there is no money, the weather is bad and so on, but you hold on - we’ll come soon! When it becomes finally clear who is winning. If Friedrich wants friendship with Russia, then this is your problem, why did you fight with him so badly? Remember the Soviet film "Trufaldino from Bergamo"? The hero's cheerful song at the beginning:
      "The mustachioed enemy is striking.
      And I am always for those who win! "
      1. +6
        2 December 2023 10: 11
        Russia did not have any goals of its own in this war and it did not solve any of its own problems.

        Except one.
        Steam locomotives must be crushed while they are teapots)
        Today Prussia is pinching Saxony, and tomorrow it will almost completely want our Courland...
        Russia’s main goal was outlined back in 1753 in a Senate resolution, which noted that “the urgent need of the state” is “not only to resist the ever-increasing power of the Prussian state, but also to take the first opportunity to suppress the House of Brandenburg with superior forces and bring down him to the previous state of the average state"

        Quote: VlR
        Friedrich, who wishes friendship with Russia

        God save us from such friends!
        Quote: VlR
        Even Louis XVI later admitted it.

        Louis Capet was two years old when this war began, and he became king after its end.
        1. VLR
          0
          2 December 2023 10: 36
          Louis XVI said this retrospectively, assessing the results of the Seven Years' War.
          As for Prussia, Russia did not have a better and more faithful ally before World War I. After 1, a cult of Russia was generally established in Prussia and Germany. German generals considered themselves obliged to kiss the hand of the Russian Tsar. Alexander III, for some unknown reason, suddenly abandoned the alliance with Germany in favor of France, which later led to the death of 1814 great empires. Kaiser Wilhelm hoped to the last to restore relations. The Germans didn’t even have a plan for war with Russia, but they did have a plan for war with France. And therefore, having declared war on Russia, the Germans attacked France. And then there was no ally for the USSR, or rather, more reliable than the GDR. And then Germany, until very recently, was Russia’s main ally in Europe.
          1. +2
            2 December 2023 12: 54
            Quote: VlR
            After 1814, a cult of Russia was generally established in Prussia and Germany.

            Oh really!
            Quote: VlR
            Alexander III, for some unknown reason, suddenly abandoned the alliance with Germany in favor of France,

            Because the Germans, even before unification, viewed Russia exclusively as a powerless market for their own products and a semi-colony. And after 1871...
            And only with the help of French capital was it possible to throw off the German noose from the neck of our economy.
            Quote: VlR
            The Germans didn’t even have a plan for war with Russia

            That is, you are not even superficially familiar with the Schliefen plan?
            Quote: VlR
            Kaiser Wilhelm hoped to the last to restore relations.

            Only Reich Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann obviously did not know about this and was in a hurry to declare war in order to enlist the support of the left wing of the Reichstag, which passionately wanted to fight tsarism.
            Quote: VlR
            And then there was no ally for the USSR, or rather, more reliable than the GDR.

            I love Germany so much that I prefer to have two of them))
            Quote: VlR
            It was the same with Prussia then - Frederick had no aggressive intentions,

            Come on! Throughout his reign he constantly ate his neighbors, but not at all aggressively! lol
            Colleague, you know how much I appreciate the flight of your imagination, but still you shouldn’t pass it off as historical facts!
            Quote: VlR
            As we know, Prussia did not turn into a “locomotive” for Russia.

            That's why she didn't transform because she was stopped in time. And Frederick, completely weakened, simply could not continue to rob.
            The creation of a powerful North German state under the auspices of Prussia in no way served the interests of Russia.
        2. VLR
          0
          2 December 2023 11: 11
          By the way, regarding “dummies and locomotives”: this can go far with unpredictable consequences. In Afghanistan, this is how the Soviet leadership “flew in”: they decided that Amin could potentially reorient himself toward the United States and started to “press the kettle.” Nothing good came of it. Or maybe the “teapot into a locomotive” would not have turned into a steam locomotive. It was the same with Prussia then - Frederick had no aggressive intentions, and, as we know, Prussia did not turn into a “locomotive” for Russia. On the contrary, she was an ally for a long time. There was no need to spend resources on a preventive war.
      2. +3
        2 December 2023 10: 55
        If Frederick, who desires friendship with Russia,
        If I were Friedrich, I would also want friendship with Russia, because I couldn’t offer her anything, but pulling roasted chestnuts out of the fire for myself, with her help, is a completely different matter. Austria at that time was a natural ally, it was strengthening its influence in the Balkans and expanding its territory at the expense of the Balkan lands; the Black Sea steppes were not of interest to it; the interests of Austria and Russia did not intersect there. They would intersect later in the XNUMXth century. Already in the Balkans.
    2. +1
      2 December 2023 11: 10
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      kaiser Friedrich der Grosse

      Only he is not a Kaiser, but a König (king, not emperor.

      Good afternoon, Ivan! hi
      1. 0
        2 December 2023 12: 43
        Quote from Kojote21
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        kaiser Friedrich der Grosse

        Only he is not a Kaiser, but a König (king, not emperor.

        Good afternoon, Ivan! hi

        I apologize for interfering, but it is worth remembering that the Prussian “confusters” became “kings” as a result of the Northern War.
        1. +1
          2 December 2023 13: 24
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Quote from Kojote21
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          kaiser Friedrich der Grosse

          Only he is not a Kaiser, but a König (king, not emperor.

          Good afternoon, Ivan! hi

          I apologize for interfering, but it is worth remembering that the Prussian “confusters” became “kings” as a result of the Northern War.

          Good afternoon, Vlad, but Frederick the Great (namely, he is the one we are talking about) ruled after the Northern War, so he is not an elector - but a king! wink
          1. 0
            2 December 2023 13: 30
            I wrote about the rulers of Prussia in general.
            1. +3
              2 December 2023 13: 42
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              I wrote about the rulers of Prussia in general.

              I understand, but in my opinion, the Elector of Brandenburg was given the title of king by Emperor Leopold I (though he demanded 100 thalers annually and something else) in 000. And this was at the very beginning of the Northern War and before the War of the Spanish Succession. Right?
          2. +3
            3 December 2023 16: 54
            Quote from Kojote21
            therefore he is not an elector - but a king!

            One did not interfere with the other. So he is both an elector (or rather a margrave) and a king.
            Just like Augustus the Strong Elector in Saxony and King in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and William of Orran - Stouthader in Holland and King in Great Britain
        2. +3
          3 December 2023 16: 50
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          The Prussian “confustas” became “kings” following the results of the Northern War.

          Eh...in 1701 the results are still a long way off.
          As far as I remember, Frederick William gave money to Emperor Leopold and promised an alliance in Vrain for the Spanish inheritance.
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        2 December 2023 13: 02
        Quote from Kojote21
        Only he is not a Kaiser, but a König

        Probably so. It’s just that somewhere I came across his father’s nickname - Kaiser Soldat request
        Quote from Kojote21
        Good afternoon, Ivan!

        Drututi hi
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          2 December 2023 13: 29
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          It’s just that somewhere I came across his father’s nickname - Kaiser Soldat

          Nein, das ist false! Sein Vater ist kein Soldatenkeiser, er ist Soldatenkönig! hi
          1. +3
            3 December 2023 16: 57
            Obviously you are right) Yes
            P.S. Have they really returned the bell... drinks
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              3 December 2023 17: 47
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Obviously you are right) Yes
              P.S. Have they really returned the bell... drinks

              Right! After all, yesterday there was another site update! hi
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                3 December 2023 18: 48
                Quote from Kojote21
                The bell was returned.

                And they ruined the unread message counter request
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      2 December 2023 11: 13
      Only for those who have never heard of the St. Petersburg Union Treaty of 1746.
      This is true. The secret articles of the treaty were especially important. One
      of them stated that in the event of Turkey’s violation of the Belgrade Peace Treaties of 1739 and its attack on one of the allied powers, the other allied power would immediately declare war on Turkey. If we consider it in its entirety, with secret “protocols” and non-secret articles, this treaty was directed against The Ottoman Empire and Prussia. Yes, and it was concluded for a period of 25 years. And this agreement served as the basis for the further development of Austro-Russian relations in the Seven Years' War against Prussia. There is no mystery, there is no Russian participation in the Seven Years' War.
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        2 December 2023 11: 21
        The mystery is this: why was it necessary to sign such a cable agreement obliging Russia, in alliance with Austria, to fight not only against Turkey, which is logical, but also for some reason against Prussia, which Russia does not need at all. The answer is probably in the corruption of the same Bestuzhev, who received many times more money from foreign courts than from the Russian treasury.
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          2 December 2023 12: 06
          obliging Russia, in alliance with Austria, to fight not only against Turkey, which is logical, but also for some reason against Prussia
          Prussia did not offer anything in particular. What could it offer? Especially in the event of a war with the Ottoman Empire. And Austria, according to the Treaty of St. Petersburg and its secret protocols, pledged to provide military assistance to Russia in the event of a war with Sweden. Expose an entire building. So what are the enslaving terms of this agreement? You are everything to us, but we are nothing to you?
          The answer is probably in the corruption of the same Bestuzhev
          And Panin was unmercenary when Russia and Prussia entered into a defensive alliance in 1762. You just work with documents, not fiction. hi
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            2 December 2023 13: 09
            An alliance with Prussia, and then with Germany, was always in the interests of Russia, and did not interfere with actions against the Ottomans. And the attitude of ordinary Germans towards Russians has always been and even now remains much better than that of the British or French, not to mention the Poles or Swedes. Lev Gumilyov called this positive complementarity. Alexander III made a big mistake when he suddenly refocused on France and England. And Austria, as I already noted, would not go anywhere. She had interests in the Balkans and she needed Russia as an ally no less than she needed Austria as an ally - Russia. And what does Prussia have to do with it? These disputes did not concern Russia. It was a huge stupidity of Elizabeth and her ministers, if not a crime, to conclude a treaty so beneficial to Austria and so disadvantageous to Russia. However, Elizabeth did not delve particularly into such matters. She had more important things to do - sewing a new dress every day - or a men's suit for her so beloved "metamorphoses" - strange balls with men dressing up as women and vice versa.
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              2 December 2023 14: 10
              It was a huge stupidity of Elizabeth and her ministers, if not a crime, to conclude a treaty so beneficial to Austria and so disadvantageous to Russia.
              Explain the points of this agreement, its unprofitability and servitude. Better yet, fly in a time machine to that era, get to Elizabeth and explain to her that an agreement with Austria is not needed. Maybe she will listen to you. hi
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                2 December 2023 14: 12
                get in touch with Elizabeth and explain to her that a treaty with Austria is not needed. Maybe she will listen to you.

                I doubt. This empress had her most important documents lying on her desk unsigned for months. She would have talked to me with pleasure about the styles of dresses of the Parisian fashionistas of that time. But I'm not an expert in this matter smile
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              3 December 2023 21: 07
              An alliance with a dominant power in Europe meant for Russia vassalage to such a power.
              By the way, Elizabeth’s decision to destroy Prussia was absolutely correct, since without Prussia, Russia took the place of arbiter in the eternal confrontation between France and Austria.
          2. -1
            2 December 2023 17: 06
            what are the enslaving terms of this agreement?

            If you just try to turn on the logic. Against whom did Russia enter into an agreement with Austria? Against Turkey. And who did Austria and Russia make a deal against? Against Turkey and, it turns out, also against Prussia, which Russia doesn’t care about. The score is 2:1 in favor of Austria. The agreement is beneficial for her, but not for Russia.
            1. +3
              2 December 2023 17: 38
              I also popularly explain to you that in this treaty, in a secret article, Austria pledged to provide military forces in the event of a war between Russia and Sweden. If you read this treaty, you will see that the main articles talk about military assistance to each other. In the secret articles, it is written against whom specifically. Namely, the parties pledged to help each other in the event that one of the parties was attacked by the Ottoman Empire, and Russia also pledged to help Austria if it was attacked by Prussia, and Austria pledged to help Russia in the event of an attack by Sweden .That's it in a nutshell.
  7. +1
    4 December 2023 08: 35
    Thanks to the Author, Rumyantsev, IMHO, is an unfairly partially forgotten commander among us. Probably it’s because of Suvorov, who simply made other stars dim with his brilliance.

    Or maybe it’s about Rumyantsev’s “moral character” and “majority”; it’s difficult to make him an icon to follow.
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    19 February 2024 23: 00
    It’s strange why the author, copying Wikipedia, did not understand at all who Rumyantsev was, and after reading the article, one really gets the impression of a “major”. However, in the case of expulsion from the Corps of Pages, by the way, the most privileged military school of that time, and the reasons. and this is not a secret, they were quite specific, and not “bold and defiant behavior.” One of the cases, according to the author, “impudent and defiant” was the insulting of his mother; in response, the young cadet Rumyantsev, during his practice classes, decided to hack to death the one who dared to insult his mother. This is truly "challenging behavior." considering that the cadets there were the children of the highest-ranking nobles of the empire. And the future general was distinguished by his excellent strength. health, courage and respect for parents. It's definitely "major". And the fact that he walked, due to not being busy, in peacetime, firstly, whoever was not young, did not do anything stupid, and I remember the old Jewish joke “Rebbe, I didn’t smoke, I didn’t drink, I didn’t cheat on my wife, I lived good life. Yes, but in vain"
    “According to tradition, the officer who brought news of a major victory to the court received a generous reward. It is not surprising that in such cases the couriers were often not honored military officers, but relatives of influential persons or the tsar’s favorites.”, it was like that, but you are writing about Rumyantsev . A more precise definition can be gleaned from mother Rumyantsev’s letter to her son. Where she is indignant that her son refused to drink to the health of the Empress. This act had no consequences, Elizabeth laughed and forgot. In your opinion, she did this to all the children of those close to her, no. She knew Peter personally and treated him like a brother. And this allowed Rumyantsev’s genius to reveal itself when he repeatedly violated military traditions, but achieved success; you can consider this an administrative resource, but in relation to him it was for the good.
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    19 February 2024 23: 13
    Quote: S.Z.
    Thanks to the Author, Rumyantsev, IMHO, is an unfairly partially forgotten commander among us. Probably it’s because of Suvorov, who simply made other stars dim with his brilliance.

    Or maybe it’s about Rumyantsev’s “moral character” and “majority”; it’s difficult to make him an icon to follow.

    Suvorov is promoted in the media, they told you the results of the vote. Alexander Vasilyevich himself always considered himself a student of Rumyantsev, moreover, he did not introduce new types of troops, mannered warfare is not his invention, it is not to beat with numbers, but smarter, he was not the first, a teacher, an outstanding diplomat and state was not an activist. Rumyantsev could do anything. Rumyantsev is a genius, let me remind you, a genius is a person who did something that had not been done before, was not used, talent is an exemplary execution of the famous. All geniuses are not of this world, so that Rumyantsev created and he cared little about what people would think of him, he lived strangely from a philistine point of view and died strangely, that’s why he is a genius, to be himself in everything.