Saving and increasing the people of Russia is the future of the Russian world

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Saving and increasing the people of Russia is the future of the Russian world


Putin's speech


On November 27, with the blessing of Patriarch Kirill, the XXV World Russian People's Council began in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. The theme of the next Council is “The Present and Future of the Russian World.”



Before the meeting acted Russian President V. Putin made several messages. In particular, he touched upon a demographic problem that was vital for the survival of the state and its people. The head of state noted that it is impossible to overcome the most difficult demographic problems only with the help of money - social payments, allowances and benefits.

“A person’s life guidelines are much more important. At the heart of a family, in the birth of a child, are love, trust, and strong moral support. We must never forget about this."

- Putin said.

The head of state noted that many peoples of Russia maintain the tradition of a strong large family, where four or five or more children are raised. But even in Russian families just a generation ago this was the norm.

“Our grandmothers and great-grandmothers had seven and eight children,”

– Putin recalled and proposed to revive these traditions.

“Having many children and a large family should become the norm, a way of life for all the peoples of Russia. And the family is not just the basis of the state and society, it is a spiritual phenomenon, the basis of morality,”

- said Putin.

He also stated that the activities of all public associations and traditional religions must be aimed specifically at strengthening the family.

“Saving and increasing the people of Russia is our task for the coming decade, and I’ll say more right away - for the generation ahead,”

– Putin concluded and added that this is the future of the Russian world.

The current situation is a disaster


As has been noted more than once, the current situation in the field of reproduction of the majority of indigenous peoples of Russia and especially Russians is a disaster (Verdict of Russian civilization; Demographic catastrophe in Russia).

Over the past three years, natural population decline has amounted to more than 2 million people. On the one hand, mortality in Russia has increased during the pandemic and the fight against it. In essence, these are the sad results of previous optimization of healthcare. Medicine has been severely destroyed and transferred to a commercial basis, plus a severe shortage of personnel (low salaries, hard work, optimization-destruction of medical education).

On the other hand, the birth rate has been falling sharply since 2019. The so-called “winter of birth rates”, which is due to the fact that after the collapse of the USSR our birth rate fell sharply, accordingly, today there are simply fewer women giving birth. But not just fewer - the number of women of active childbearing age (20-34), who account for 80% of births, has been decreasing by 2015 thousand people every year since 400. That is, potentially those who can give birth are becoming fewer and fewer.

In 2019, we had about 2 million births, but in 2023 it will be only 1,25 million children. Since 2022, some families have been postponing plans to have a child due to the military campaign in Ukraine, security threats and the uncertainty of the future. As a result, mortality has decreased since the pandemic, but its rates are much higher than birth rates. In 2023 there will be about 1,8 million deaths. Therefore, the natural decline will continue in 2023, 2024, and subsequent years. This means that the number of citizens of the Russian Federation will decrease by approximately one regional center every year.

Of course, they are trying to compensate for part of the population decline, as before, with the influx of new Russian citizens from the southern republics. But, firstly, the influx of migrants is not so large; the military campaign, sanctions, and economic difficulties are reducing the flow of those wishing to settle in the Russian Federation.

Secondly, this flow leads to another catastrophe, already migration, cultural (Migration is a symptom, and disease is the absence of its development project). Migrants do not assimilate and create their own foreign cultural national communities, ghettos, destroy Russian civilization, the state, and the common Russian-speaking cultural and social space. Russia does not “digest” the newcomers, but on the contrary, they aggressively introduce their archaic meanings and traditions.

Guaranteed poverty


Plus socio-economic factor.

Economically, Russia is a “pipe” of the West and the East. The situation after sanctions in connection with the Crimean spring in 2014 and the Ukrainian campaign of 2022–2023. has not changed fundamentally. Only 2-3% of the rich and super rich live well in this situation. Plus a small layer of officials, the top of the security forces, their service personnel, the elite of the intelligentsia - another 10-12%. The rest are at the bottom of the consumer-parasitic pyramid, or are falling and are desperately trying not to fall there.

Moreover, almost 80% of the Russian population already lives in poverty and poverty (Africanization of Russia). And having many children in such a situation means guaranteed poverty. Therefore, the deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Mikhail Delyagin, quite rightly noted that the absolute poverty of part of the country’s population is one of the problems of demography.

“For the vast majority of Russian citizens, a child is a one-way ticket to poverty, a second child is a one-way ticket to poverty,”

- сказал Delyagin.

And Doctor of Medical Sciences, Rector of the Higher School of Organization and Management of Healthcare Guzel Ulumbekova in an interview with “Nakanune” noted the:

“In our country, 60% of families with one and two children cannot buy a refrigerator, TV and washing machine; there is only enough money to buy food and pay for utilities. Likewise, 65% of families with three children and more than 80% of single parents. This is even taking into account all the paid benefits that are paid in our country.”

Therefore, if a family is planning a child, then it must prepare for the fact that it will become poor. Obviously, this is the most important factor, and even if we really want to have a child, especially a second or third, our families begin to postpone the birth or refuse it altogether.

What can be done?


Putin is absolutely right when he says that “the family is not just the basis of the state and society, it is a spiritual phenomenon, the basis of morality.” At the heart of the whole concept of development is the plan for the organization of life. Fair, in all conscience, is the matrix code of the Russian world. Or unfair - Western materialism (golden calf), when “man is a wolf to man,” with the division of people into castes of the rich-chosen and the poor-losers.

However, the problem is that since the 1990s, the authorities have been trying to make Russia part of the Western project. They introduced the Western matrix - freedom, market, power of capital, liberal values. As Putin admitted this year:

"We considered“that we are our own, bourgeois, we want to be in this family of so-called civilized peoples.”

Accordingly, the entire policy of the Putin-Medvedev tandem since the 2000s has been aimed at consolidating the position of the Russian Federation as a cultural and economic periphery of the Western world. For this we abandoned our development project (Soviet - based on social justice and ethics of conscience), our image of the future (beautiful is far away), our industry (we will sell resources and buy everything else).

There was a redistribution of national wealth in favor of a small caste of the ruling nobility, in conditions of constant destruction and optimization of the socio-economic and cultural sphere.
Production suffered colossal losses (Capitalism has become worse for Russia than World War II). When even nails were imported to Russia from Finland, Belarus and China.

In this way, In order for there to be positive progress in the field of demography, fundamental, systemic changes are needed in the entire course of development of the Russian Federation. Your own development project and image of the future of the Russian world, a society not of consumption, hedonism and self-destruction, but a society of knowledge, service and creation. Instead of surrogates of Western and Eastern culture, archaism (like the Russian Orthodox Church business project) and total theft - social justice and ethics of conscience.

New industrialization, restoration of production potential, work ethic. Men working in the new industry must receive decent salaries in order to provide for and raise large families. Restoration of full-fledged culture and art, science and education, healthcare.

A powerful socio-economic program to support fertility and large families. Large healthy families should become the elite of society. Maternity capital should be doubled at the birth of the second child and tripled at the birth of the third, etc. Significant one-time payments for the birth of a child, which should cover all the first needs - a crib, a stroller, a sled, clothing and food for 1-2 years.

Every family that gives birth to a second child should receive parental salary in the form of half the average salary in the region. From the third child – parental salary is 100% of the regional average.

Plus restoration of a full-fledged social support system that existed in the USSR, mandatory for families with children: free nurseries, kindergartens, schools, extended groups, clubs, sports and technical sections, houses of culture and creativity, music schools. Free meals in kindergartens and schools. Restoration of mass physical culture - open stadiums, sports grounds, hockey rinks. Swimming pools at kindergartens and schools. School medicine (paramedic, dentist - monitor the health of children in educational institutions), which existed in the USSR and was killed by optimization.

A colossal housing construction program is needed to provide families with children with free housing. Moreover, it is necessary to move from the strategy of “human villages” to cities and garden villages, when a family lives in a manor house with a garden and personal living space. New urbanization - the concept of a garden city. This is a big separate topic.

A woman who has decided to give birth to a child should know that for the state this child is long-awaited, and it will help put him on his feet. That the state and its family have a bright future. This is the most important condition.

It is natural that when government officials continue to say that “the state, in principle, does not owe you anything. The state did not ask you to give birth to children,” then such a power has no future. Only further decomposition, degradation and death of the Russian world. Plus an imitation of vigorous activity.
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  1. +24
    3 December 2023 08: 30
    In the 50s of the last century, the United States adopted three children and a wife who was a housewife. The husband could provide an average income. Maybe we can try something similar? Instead of spiritual bonds?
    1. +16
      3 December 2023 08: 46
      But I am increasingly inclined to the idea that demography is based not on the level of well-being, but on the feeling of the meaningfulness of existence as such.
      It seems like a long time ago in BSL, I came across this definition
      Happiness is the state in which a person finds himself when three conditions are met:
      - meaningfulness of life,
      - life full of events that correspond to meaning
      - a person’s feeling of their (events’) completeness.
      It is extremely difficult to live in a space where meanings are a daily change of information picture. With the disappearance of meanings, demographics also disappear. It's just not as noticeable as the prices in stores.
      1. +17
        3 December 2023 08: 59
        Remembering my distant childhood, I am convinced that I really missed the care of my parents who disappeared at work.
        1. +29
          3 December 2023 09: 03
          But the economics of the issue cannot be canceled; in addition to meaningfulness, you need to feed on something. But still, the meaning of existence is an extremely serious basis on the scale of the state. And I have the feeling that the meanings are being played around like in a kaleidoscope.
      2. -15
        3 December 2023 09: 24
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        But I am increasingly inclined to the idea that the basis of demography is not the level of well-being

        This has been proven I don’t remember how many times.
      3. +7
        3 December 2023 09: 50
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        Demography is based not on the level of well-being, but on the feeling of meaningfulness of existence

        For demographics, your own house with a plot and lifestyle are of paramount importance. Look at the countries that give birth, whether poor or rich. Everyone lives there in their own houses, and the woman is more or less free.
        1. +6
          3 December 2023 10: 01
          And what “birth-giving countries” have such conditions?
          1. +10
            3 December 2023 10: 07
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            And what “birth-giving countries” have such conditions?

            Look at the same one-story America. There the welfare is higher and they give birth more (than here). And why shouldn’t they give birth in a spacious house, where everything is for the family!
            1. +7
              3 December 2023 10: 11
              This is not a very correct example, if we take the situation as a whole. I personally am only for the American approach, but it won’t work to shift it to other countries that are “giving birth.”
              1. +4
                4 December 2023 01: 22
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                . I personally am only for the American approach, but it won’t work to shift it to other countries that are “giving birth.”

                “Giving birth” countries are usually countries with a WARM climate and there, as a rule, the overwhelming majority of the population lives in their own homes. Maybe not as rich and not as spacious as in the USA, but in their own way. And no “family planning” is allowed there - no condoms, abortions or other perversions - a mortal sin, recently they were stoned to death. And if some family is so poor that it cannot feed all its children... they have a tradition (yes, yes) of selling one or more of their children to childless / small children / or wealthy families. And this is a truly wise tradition - no one kills children, they do not die of hunger, the childless receive joy and care in old age, and the rich... yes, at least a servant in their house. The children are alive, and when they grow up, they will bear offspring.
                If the Russian Federation bans abortion, equating it to INTENTIONAL MURDER, and the State will take care of “unwanted” children (usually young girls, students, or even schoolgirls). These are usually the first-born - the fruits of love and/or unbridled passion. As a rule, these are very healthy, strong, beautiful and talented children - the beginning of the strength of their parents, the highest value for Society and the State. And now this Highest Value... is being exterminated in abortion clinics. Yes, often also AT THE STATE EXPENSE! ... That is, today the killer state finances and kills its unborn citizens and its Future.
                But if the State (PRESENT) takes upon itself the responsibility of dissuading girls from a terrible crime, takes upon itself the care of a future member of the Society, supports the expectant mother... with benefits, and then ACCEPTS this child and gives it to a childless, small child, or simply willing, but TO THE FAMILY... then you will see how quickly the situation with demographics will change.
                And an unconditional decisive transition to life from human settlements to manor houses in garden cities.
                By the way, building an individual house using modern technologies is much cheaper than building an apartment in a multi-story building. Much cheaper! We have a lot of land and it must be allocated for free. Then social housing construction will be inexpensive, unburdensome and widespread.
                Well, the salaries of public sector employees and industrial workers need to be increased now, because poverty in a harsh climate does not produce fruit.
        2. -7
          3 December 2023 10: 27
          Quote: Stas157
          Look at the countries that give birth, whether poor or rich. Everyone lives there in their own houses, and the woman is more or less free

          Yes. Especially in black Africa - this is especially pronounced there.
          1. -7
            3 December 2023 10: 55
            Repellent. Extremely populist article. In blessed Norway (free kindergartens alone are worth it), the birth rate per woman is 1,44 and the population is growing. We have 1,505 and we are declining. The problem is not the birth rate, but the mortality rate. You want to live in the West It’s good to take out a loan for education, a car, a house, a wife. A loan forces you to look after your health and lifestyle. By the way, in 1999, our fertility rate per woman was only 1,19, and as far as I know, this process does not happen without a man. laughing
            1. +5
              3 December 2023 17: 38
              Quote: tralflot1832
              In the West, if you want to live well, take out a loan for education, a car, a house, a wife. A loan forces you to look after your health and lifestyle

              More good and different loans!!! wassat
              1. +7
                3 December 2023 17: 51
                But not in Russia, getting a loan, with them 2,5% is already expensive. With our percentage, they won’t reproduce at all and will go on a binge and snack on cigarettes. wassat
              2. +5
                3 December 2023 22: 26
                Yeah, all the advertisements are absolutely talking about this, just look at the TV ads for loans: especially about a loan for a wedding, they come up most often.
              3. +4
                4 December 2023 02: 15
                Quote: FIR FIR
                More good and different loans!!!

                No ! State program of individual housing construction for young families. Free allocation of land for development! State loan at a symbolic interest (symbolic is no more than 1,5 - 2%) with the write-off of part of the loan debt at the birth of the next child. After the birth of the 4th - 5th child - complete debt write-off. Development of public transport, construction of schools and hospitals instead of churches (AT THE STATE EXPENSE), banning the promotion of perversions and anti-natural behavior. Return EDUCATION (!!) to the School, and not “provide services”. Prepare girls to be FUTURE MOMS, not future bitches and prostitutes. To train boys to be FUTURE WARRIORS - defenders of the Fatherland, their family. And double the wages of public sector employees and industrial workers.
                How ??
                And offer industrial business the following deal:
                (numbers are conditional):
                - What proportion of the cost of your product is the wages of your workers?
                - (relatively!) Ten percent.
                - How much VAT do you pay?
                - Twenty percent. (also conditionally)
                - Let's do this - you will now pay 10% VAT, but you will double the salaries of your workers.
                As a result, the business does not lose, the State seems to lose, but only at the first stage (very short), because people, having received a double salary, will take it to retail chains, increasing their turnover very seriously. This will stimulate the consumer market, the production of consumer goods and services, as a result of which the state will receive even more through additional tax revenues than it lost from the lost portion of VAT in the industrial sector. And much more.
                There are a number of other measures that, by applying them in a short period of time, can dramatically improve the economy by creating incentives for expanded industrial production, investment and solving social problems. The budget will increase sharply and if the rate of theft by officials remains at the same level, then it (theft) will no longer be so burdensome for the social and economic climate in the Country.
            2. -1
              3 December 2023 20: 41
              Quote: tralflot1832
              In blessed Norway (free kindergartens alone are worth it), the birth rate per woman is 1,44 and the population is growing.

              As I understand it, you got a C in math.
              1. +1
                3 December 2023 21: 30
                Take a look at the Norwegian demographic statistics, nerd. You will learn a lot of interesting things.laughing
                1. 0
                  3 December 2023 21: 33
                  That is, even now, after my hints, you are not in any way embarrassed by the fact that, according to statistics, a couple of people, on average, have fewer than two births?
                  1. +2
                    4 December 2023 01: 24
                    Life expectancy is increasing. Due to this, the total population is growing. But the problem of “population aging” arises.
                  2. 0
                    7 December 2023 13: 48
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    That is, even now, after my hints, you are not in any way embarrassed by the fact that, according to statistics, a couple of people, on average, have fewer than two births?

                    In the USSR after the war, rarely did anyone give birth to more than two, and this was in the absence of contraception. The 80s. We live in a military town. No one has more than 2 children. This is the generation born in the late 60s
          2. +8
            3 December 2023 11: 05
            Yes. Especially in black Africa - this is especially pronounced there.

            Yes. At the same time, they forget that feedback works there.
            In Africa they give birth a lot, that’s why they live there like in Africa. laughing
            1. +3
              3 December 2023 21: 39
              Quote: Arzt
              In Africa they give birth a lot, that’s why they live there like in Africa.

              They live there like in Africa for slightly different reasons. An economy with low labor productivity, almost pre-industrial, contributes to this demographic situation. But this is not forever.
            2. 0
              5 December 2023 18: 17
              Arzt. (....). On Sunday at 11:05. New - - "...They give birth a lot in Africa, that's why they live there like in Africa..."
              I read and “admire” not only you. Well, we went through everything and everything. good and g..
              But. for some reason no one remembered Russia.
              crying When families had 5-7 children and lived and did not live badly. Helping and supporting each other. Just like in families. and so does the whole “society”. good drinks
              Yes, I need a house. plot. I need a job with a salary that SUPPORTS my family love . And not and not "Rublevskie" katezhdi with hectares and Tajikistan. Uzbeks and other guests of villages and settlements growing throughout the Russian Federation. fool No. am
              The Russian example under the Tsar and Grandmother is the biggest “millionaires” and large strong families. A strong word without a contract. No drunkenness or dirty tricks. Old Believers of Russia. good
              Yes, and families before the Second World War were large.....
              A question about ideology. relationship. healthcare. children's and educational institutions.
              The tsar had his own “estates” - courtyards. under the USSR - in the first years, one of the city-garden projects (an example of one-story America). But then the attitude towards a working person - a scientist. to the worker. engineer...military...
              good
              Nowadays the number of people is decreasing and there are few or no specialists.... Question. where did the millions of scientists go? engineers. workers... Institutes. technical schools. Vocational school.....
              Egorka Gaidarka and Chubais identified them as extra... And when they asked. what will happen to them with the extra ones!? They spoke cheerfully. . that "...women are still giving birth!...". Their "chicks" (Gaidar - Chubaisov) are now "solving" this issue by importing gasters - "universal specialists in digging forged and without tax trade. Sales of poisoned counterfeits and flooding the Russian Federation with crappy shawarma and drugs.
              wassat bully
              R.S. To. SOMETHING happened. we need to do SOMETHING... or some realty "Rahmon" will be making New Year's Eve addresses at least by the 30s... see the basic law of the Russian Federation and who can be President hi
              1. 0
                5 December 2023 20: 39
                Arzt. (....). On Sunday at 11:05. New - - “...They give birth a lot in Africa, that’s why they live there like in Africa...”
                I read and “admire” not only you. Well, we went through everything and everything. good and g..
                But. for some reason no one remembered Russia. crying When families had 5-7 children and lived and did not live badly. Helping and supporting each other. Like in families. and so does the whole “society”. good drinks
                Yes, I need a house. plot. I need a job with a salary that PROVIDES my family love. And not and not "Rublevskie" katezhdi with hectares and Tajikistan. Uzbeks and other guests of villages and settlements growing throughout the Russian Federation. fool no am
                The Russian example under the Tsar and Grandmother is the biggest “millionaires” and large strong families. A strong word without a contract. No drunkenness or dirty tricks. Old Believers of Russia. good
                Yes, and families before the Second World War were large.....
                A question about ideology. relationship. healthcare. children's and educational institutions.
                The tsar had his own “estates” - courtyards. under the USSR - in the first years, one of the city-garden projects (an example of one-story America). But then the attitude towards a working person - a scientist. to the worker. engineer...military... good
                Nowadays the number of people is decreasing and there are few or no specialists.... Question. where did the millions of scientists go? engineers. workers... Institutes. technical schools. Vocational school.....
                Egorka Gaidarka and Chubais identified them as extra... And when they asked. what will happen to them with the extra ones!? They spoke cheerfully. . that "...women are still giving birth!...". Their "chicks" (Gaidar - Chubaisov) are now "solving" this issue by importing gasters - "universal specialists in digging forged and without tax trade. Sales of poisoned counterfeits and flooding the Russian Federation with crappy shawarma and drugs. wassat bully
                R.S. To. SOMETHING happened. we need to do SOMETHING... or some realty "Rahmon" will be making New Year's Eve addresses at least by the 30s... see the basic law of the Russian Federation and who can be President hi


                Do you miss the well-fed tsarist times? Read Gorky. Sobering.

                I agree about houses, salaries, Tajiks and Chubais. But we live in the real world. No one will actually give anything, although the problem could simply be solved.
                Each family of 4 children or more receives an apartment or a house.
                300 yards hovering in the West are 15 (FIFTEEN) million-plus cities.

                But in real life, try to do SOMETHING, take 5-7 children from the orphanage. You'll find yourself in Africa in no time. laughing
        3. +3
          3 December 2023 17: 36
          Quote: Stas157
          Everyone lives there in their own houses, and the woman is more or less free.

          About “free women” in countries that give birth - very funny.
      4. +1
        3 December 2023 17: 30
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        But I am increasingly inclined to the idea that demography is based not on the level of well-being, but on the feeling of the meaningfulness of existence as such.

        What kind of meaningfulness of life did the Russian peasantry of the XNUMXth century have?
        What kind of meaningfulness of life did the Soviet, let's say, middle class have - teachers, engineers, agronomists, doctors and army officers? Whatever one may say, in the second category it was many times higher, and the birth rate was exactly the opposite. What do you think?
        1. +6
          3 December 2023 18: 07
          Everyone is looking for an answer to the question “why give birth.” And the answer lies in the desire to live. Desire arises as a derivative of that very meaningfulness. The economic conditions, as well as the formational features, have not been canceled. But the desire to live still comes first. Understood by everyone in their own way, but felt by the majority. I understand that it is a complex structure, but one cannot simply discount the fact that society is gradually losing its desire to exist due to the nonsense of what is happening. This just needs to be taken into account and conceptually worked out.
        2. 0
          3 December 2023 18: 11
          Everyone is looking for an answer to the question “why give birth.” And the answer lies in the desire to live. Desire arises as a derivative of that very meaningfulness. The economic conditions, as well as the formational features, have not been canceled. But the desire to live still comes first. Understood by everyone in their own way, but felt by the majority. I understand that it is a complex structure, but one cannot simply discount the fact that society is gradually losing its desire to exist due to the nonsense of what is happening. This just needs to be taken into account and conceptually worked out.
        3. 0
          4 December 2023 17: 32
          It's all about Darwinian selection not only of the individual, but selection for behavioral stereotypes and customs. If customs help give birth and raise more children, then such a population increases in number faster than other populations and, as it were, takes over living space, and that part of the families if not ensure the birth rate is gradually dying out, this process has been going on for centuries. Pre-revolutionary peasants are the result of this Darwinian selection, and their customs, stereotypes and lifestyle contribute to high birth rates. After moving to the cities, these customs were forgotten and the birth rate fell.
          The countryside needs to be supported.
      5. +11
        3 December 2023 18: 22
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78

        Happiness is the state in which a person finds himself when three conditions are met:
        - meaningfulness of life,
        - life full of events that correspond to meaning
        - a person’s feeling of their (events’) completeness.

        Happiness is an emotion. And positive ones.
        “Meaningfulness of life” - You, who, for example, have two children in school, pay a mortgage, MEANINGFULLY get a second job in order to somehow make ends meet. Despite the fact that my wife also works.
        “fullness of life with events,” yes, your life is filled with “events” - from one job to another. You don’t see the children, because when you leave they are still sleeping, when you come they are already asleep. The wife also cannot pay proper attention to the children - prepare food, clothes for the family for tomorrow, tidy the apartment, etc., etc., etc.
        “You feel the fullness of the events” - son: - “Dad, buy me a bike”, daughter: - “Dad, buy me roller skates” - I can’t, I’ll buy you a new jacket, but Mashenka needs to buy sneakers, and mom needs to buy something. - “Well, dad, all the boys ride bicycles.”
        Are you filled with positive emotions? Are you happy?
        Nikolaevich, come down to the ground.
        1. +6
          3 December 2023 18: 27
          No, no, we were talking about something else. You just need to think carefully about the presentation and terminology. In general, we need to be more careful with meanings. I'll think about how to deploy this, otherwise it looks a little damp.
          I like the definition. It is more complete, so you say “emotions”, but why not, for example, “feelings”?
          1. +2
            4 December 2023 08: 14
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            So you say “emotions,” but why not, for example, “feelings”?

            Who cares?
      6. +4
        3 December 2023 18: 22
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78

        Happiness is the state in which a person finds himself when three conditions are met:
        - meaningfulness of life,
        - life full of events that correspond to meaning
        - a person’s feeling of their (events’) completeness.

        Happiness is an emotion. And positive ones.
        “Meaningfulness of life” - You, who, for example, have two children in school, pay a mortgage, MEANINGFULLY get a second job in order to somehow make ends meet. Despite the fact that my wife also works.
        “fullness of life with events,” yes, your life is filled with “events” - from one job to another. You don’t see the children, because when you leave they are still sleeping, when you come they are already asleep. The wife also cannot pay proper attention to the children - prepare food, clothes for the family for tomorrow, tidy the apartment, etc., etc., etc.
        “You feel the fullness of the events” - son: - “Dad, buy me a bike”, daughter: - “Dad, buy me roller skates” - I can’t, I’ll buy you a new jacket, but Mashenka needs to buy sneakers, and mom needs to buy something. - “Well, dad, all the boys ride bicycles.”
        Are you filled with positive emotions? Are you happy?
        Nikolaevich, come down to the ground.
        1. +3
          3 December 2023 20: 33
          We haven’t even agreed on the definition of a generic sign, what to say about species differences wink You are emotions, and I do not agree that this is an emotion. And how to discuss further. winked
          So the question of definitions and meanings is very, very difficult.
          1. +2
            4 December 2023 20: 36
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78

            We didn’t even agree on the generic definition, what to say about species differences,

            To be honest, I don’t understand what you mean at all.
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            So the question of definitions and meanings is very, very difficult.

            I agree that it’s not simple, but I don’t think it’s worth overcomplicating it either.
            They say: “Previously, when the standard of living was low, Russian families had many children.” And few people think that they gave birth out of necessity!
            The first reason for having many children is “When the old woman and I become weak, the children will be fed and buried.”
            Today there is no need for this - pension!
            Ask - why so much? Yes, because infant mortality was high, it is unknown how many will survive. And it is easier for three sons, who already have their own families, to feed their parents than for one.
            Oh happiness. As a result of the accomplishment of a certain event, you felt happy, i.e. you experience bright positive emotions. A week after this event, do you experience exactly the same emotions? I'm sure not. You either, fortunately, got used to it and it no longer evokes bright positive emotions, or something happened in your life that caused negative emotions in you, i.e. - not happiness.
            Feelings of happiness cannot be permanent, so these are emotions!
      7. +2
        3 December 2023 20: 39
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        But I am increasingly inclined to the idea that demography is based not on the level of well-being, but on the feeling of the meaningfulness of existence as such.

        This is because you are not a Marxist. This means, to one degree or another, an idealist wandering in three pines.
        1. +4
          3 December 2023 20: 51
          No, not a Marxist, although he has an education with a normal political economic basis.
          It is interesting as an integral part of economic theory, not as a current subject like “the history of economic doctrines” or the like. And one of the basics. But whether it is sufficient can be seen in the discussions of our contemporaries and forecasts. Not enough.
          1. +5
            3 December 2023 21: 08
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            Not enough.

            And what is not enough there? The economy determines our lives. If people don’t give birth to children, then these are the economic conditions. Change them in the right direction and the demographic situation will change. No matter how you don’t have to be very smart to understand this.
            1. +3
              3 December 2023 21: 17
              Because today it is possible to build a model of social economic management only based on the understanding that production relations are no longer social psychology in the spirit of G. Lebon, secondary. This is already cognitive science. In general, the topic is deep. But a long text, if possible, then not today - the phone slows down.
            2. -3
              4 December 2023 18: 01
              Economy determines our lives

              Economics is not stupid, what matters in Africa is an income of 2 dollars, and families with a dozen children. Behavioral stereotypes and customs are important, today’s stereotype is consumption, an iPhone, a car is urgently needed, 2 trips to Egypt are required, fashionable clothes, etc. And peasants used to give birth, raise children, raise and raise children again without thinking about the latest iPhone model. All life actually revolved around the upbringing and raising of descendants and customs were aimed at this, for example, matchmaking, when they turned 16-18 years old and everyone got married, but now they decide on their own and some cannot start a family before the age of 40. Now people need simulacra and consumption, not procreation.

              If people don’t give birth to children, then these are the economic conditions

              Nature doesn’t care about the reasons you come up with, so while you are looking for those to blame and who owes you something, other peoples will take your place, alas, this is a biological law of nature.
              1. +1
                5 December 2023 09: 41
                Quote: nickname7
                Stupidity is not economics, income is important in Africa 2 dollar, and families of ten children each.

                If we take you to that Africa and give you two dollars, then you will give birth to ten children there??

                You know, no matter how funny it may be, I will believe you!
                But I won’t believe it for anything if in cold Russia they give you the same two dollars and you will immediately become a father of many children!
                Because the economy and social security in Russia are not an empty phrase for young families.
        2. -1
          3 December 2023 20: 53
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          It's because you're not a Marxist

          Hello, fiery Danko! Are you still bringing light into the darkness? You reminded me of one good phrase:

          To understand means to explain

          Explain - to yourself, of course, to your loved one.

          This couldn’t be more true of Marxism, by the way. Yes laughing
          1. +5
            3 December 2023 21: 10
            Quote: Repellent
            Hello, fiery Danko! Are you still bringing light into the darkness?

            Fuck it. Carry it yourself. Nowadays I only troll the Schrödinger patriots and other strong pale pink ones.
            1. 0
              3 December 2023 21: 13
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Nowadays I only troll the patriots of Schrödinger and other strong pale pink ones

              Well, that’s the same thing... during off-hours - I’m also somewhere nearby, ahem, wandering... or wandering...
      8. +1
        3 December 2023 23: 49
        With the disappearance of meanings, demographics also disappear.


        Apparently only in African countries are there any senses left now; now only they are multiplying like rabbits.
        After all, the highest birth rates are in Congo and Guinea-Bissau.
    2. +6
      3 December 2023 09: 10
      Try to pay the head of the family a decent salary? Yes, the private employer is hesitant. The LLC, first of all, has its own pocket. You need a luxurious house, prestigious cars, vacation trips. Everyone sees this, in any region. Other decent relationships are needed.
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      2. +2
        3 December 2023 13: 40
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Try paying the head of the family a decent salary? Yes, the private employer will give up.

        And who are the government agencies to give a damn???
        “Damned bureaucrats!!” - 90 percent in the country - get around 30.
        And girls are at the minimum wage level.
        And in district administrations, almost everyone except the head and 3-5 other people receive the minimum wage.
        What kind of “private trader” bullies government agencies with such a salary?
      3. -2
        3 December 2023 16: 58
        but he deserves a “decent salary”.....in 90% of cases, no.
        and no matter how much you pay, it’s still not enough for his merits
        1. +6
          3 December 2023 17: 09
          It’s possible that this is true. But usually the employer doesn’t keep people like that. Drinking, absenteeism, and out of the gate. I just see over those twelve years at this job how the team has changed. Hard-working guys are needed, and in fact they exist. Shills and quitters weeded out. However, with the salary of these hard workers, alas..
          1. -6
            3 December 2023 17: 32
            There are almost no honest and conscientious people left who are ready to work for an idea out of patriotic feelings (and not demand the impossible) in our time when the country and people are moving towards disaster. only opportunists.
            1. +11
              3 December 2023 19: 00
              For an idea? What kind of oligarchic capitalist? And will the capitalist ensure the existence of this “ideological worker” for him and his family? Of course not. And I’ll say more then, many volunteers went to the North Military District not for the sake of an idea, patriotism, but for the sake of money..
              1. 0
                4 December 2023 05: 35
                The idea for a sensible Russian in our time and for the future is the salvation of the country and people from the destruction to which the unscrupulous, insatiable and deceitful dictatorship is leading us.
            2. Alf
              +4
              3 December 2023 22: 18
              Quote: VZEM100
              there are almost no honest and conscientious people left who are ready to work for the idea out of patriotic feelings

              Will the store also give me food for free for patriotic reasons? Or will the housing and communal services bills be reduced out of the same feelings? For example, in Samara, from July 1, 24th, gas will jump by 11%.
              1. -6
                4 December 2023 05: 37
                Our grandfathers worked for free on collective farms and factories and wore padded jackets and boots, and give you luxury. you need to have a conscience and limit your appetite.
                1. Alf
                  +1
                  4 December 2023 19: 24
                  Quote: VZEM100
                  you need to have a conscience and limit your appetite.

                  Hello Mr. Gaffner.
                2. Alf
                  +1
                  4 December 2023 19: 25
                  Quote: VZEM100
                  our grandfathers worked on collective farms and factories for free

                  Do you also work for free?
                  Quote: VZEM100
                  walked around in padded jackets and boots

                  Are you going too?
                  Or "it's different"?
    3. +15
      3 December 2023 10: 45
      removing women from social work and science is not the smartest decision, for example education, medicine, where at least half are women
      1. +12
        3 December 2023 11: 19
        The state did not ask you to give birth to children,” then such a power has no future.

        Most likely, there is no future for the government that was “additionally governed” by such a power...
    4. +2
      3 December 2023 19: 45
      Most women clearly do not intend to be housewives dependent on their husbands.
    5. 0
      4 December 2023 16: 59
      There was such a Western figure Franklin, his father and mother had 17 children.
      True, it was in the 17th century.
    6. +2
      4 December 2023 17: 04
      Quote: ASAD
      In the 50s of the last century, the United States adopted three children and a wife who was a housewife. The husband could provide an average income. Maybe we can try something similar? Instead of spiritual bonds?

      Uh, the authorities are worried about cheap labor, that’s why they bring in migrants and all sorts of rabble, and you’re going to raise wages.. am If you don’t believe me, then listen to Khusnullin in the Duma, where he proposes either raising wages or importing migrants due to a shortage of labor, then we see what was decided in the Duma..-https://m.youtube.com/watch?v =Je8gwgEs5j0
    7. 0
      4 December 2023 21: 55
      Quote: ASAD
      In the 50s of the last century, the United States adopted three children and a wife who was a housewife. The husband could provide an average income. Maybe we can try something similar? Instead of spiritual bonds?

      The article talks about “Russians” and not about Russians... laughing laughing
      And here much cheaper methods are possible - they are already in effect. You can bring Russians! tongue
  2. -36
    3 December 2023 08: 42
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: A. Samsonov
    A woman who has decided to give birth to a child should know that for the state this child is long-awaited, and it will help put him on his feet. That the state and its family have a bright future. This is the most important condition.

    Isn’t that the case with us now?
    Caring for the unborn child begins almost from the moment of conception:

    "- maternal (family) capital, which can be obtained for both the first and second or subsequent children. At the birth of the first child, it is 589,5 thousand rubles, which is 65 thousand more than in 2022;
    - measures to support families with children under 17 years of age and pregnant women who registered early are combined into one benefit, which is paid according to uniform rules. The main criterion: the average per capita family income should not exceed the subsistence minimum per capita in the subject;
    - in addition to this benefit, you can apply for a payment from maternity capital for a child under three years of age. To receive it, the average per capita income should be no more than two subsistence minimums;
    - the one-time benefit for the birth of a child in 2023 has increased and amounts to 23 rubles, the maximum amount of maternity benefits for maternity leave of 011 days will be 140 rubles;
    - child care allowance for children up to one and a half years old for employed parents is 40% of average earnings two years before its appointment;
    - preferential mortgage for large families in the amount of 450 thousand rubles;
    - tax deduction for children."
    1. +30
      3 December 2023 08: 59
      Against the background of the income of the oligarchs, capitalists and the attitude towards man as a self-producing instrument of production, this is mockery and mockery. negative
      1. -30
        3 December 2023 09: 17
        All power to the Soviets!

        Quote: V.
        Against the backdrop of the oligarchs' income...

        Why not in the background: the Rothshelds, Rockefellers, Openheimers, etc.? laughing
        Are you aware that just twenty years ago there was no support for families at all? That the treasury was empty?

        The more the state earns, the more benefits there will be.
        1. +29
          3 December 2023 09: 21
          Who was to blame for this? Who said that the state didn’t ask you to give birth and that’s your problem? hi
          1. -38
            3 December 2023 09: 25
            All power to the Soviets!

            Quote: V.
            Who said that the state didn’t ask you to give birth and that’s your problem?

            "Judge them according to their works."

            It was definitely not Putin. These are echoes of perestroika.
            Putin is what is in my first post.
            1. +32
              3 December 2023 09: 54
              If he allows his officials to speak like this, then he is responsible for the words of each official. If the officials were not punished for their words. it means he agrees with them. So these are his words.
              1. -29
                3 December 2023 10: 49
                All power to the Soviets!

                Quote: Gardamir
                If the officials were not punished for their words. it means he agrees with them.

                About punishments. This official has been removed from her post..

                There are 150 million of us. The president is responsible for all of us. This does not mean that every one of the 150 million says what he says through the mouth of the president.

                Again.
                During Putin's reign, when at the beginning of his presidency the treasury was empty, there was nothing to pay salaries, benefits, pensions... Today we have the opportunity to help families. Few? Maybe. But in order to achieve more, we need to work harder and, first of all, we need to revise the laws on income distribution. The Duma, controlled by the chairman of the United Russia party, Medvedev, is responsible for this. Putin has no right to overstep the Laws.

                You can dream about “lace panties”, but there is no need to destroy the country.

                ps
                Can you imagine if the West had not started a war against us, how much money we would have had, including to help families, and not for weapons...
                1. +18
                  3 December 2023 12: 24
                  This official has been removed from her post.

                  ...and works in a different direction, but also as an official.
                2. AUL
                  +11
                  3 December 2023 14: 05
                  Quote: Boris55
                  You can dream about “lace panties”, but there is no need to destroy the country.

                  What did you get to them? They look beautiful, my wife says they are comfortable and don’t sweat! laughing
                3. +6
                  3 December 2023 16: 38
                  Olga Gladkikh removed

                  No, there was a check, something was announced to her, but she was told that it would be filmed
                  no reason.
                  .
                  What I wrote about her somewhere here.
                4. +9
                  3 December 2023 17: 56
                  Uncle, before defending this bastard Glatsky, I should have read Wikipedia about her or something.
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85,_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%92%D1%8F%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0
                  In November 2018, the Anti-Corruption Policy Center (ACP) of the Yabloko party published an investigation into the Glatsky family business[24][25]. The DAC found out that the Glatsky family received 1 rubles from government procurement. (My comment - Almost 840 billion rubles! Prigogine, as an example, received 795 rubles in a year, but did so much at the front, and this choreographic business simply stole and rolled this money away in a circular pattern)[263,71][2]. In purchases in the amount of 10 rubles.
                  According to the explanation of the government of the Sverdlovsk region, the company of the Glatsky family actually received 49 km² under a hunting agreement for 336 years without bidding, at 10 rubles per hectare,
                  after such schemes and theft, I would sit at home and paint pictures.
              2. +20
                3 December 2023 10: 58
                Quote: Gardamir
                ..... If the officials were not punished for their words....

                They brought it, they carried it! wassat lol just what and where? tongue For example, Olga Gladkikh, who was not asked to give birth, resigned from that position after a reprimand at the end of 2018. Since March 2019 - Deputy Director of the Uralochka Sports Palace. Probably other officials who insulted people are not in poverty. Around the same time, another official advised “hire a nanny, “---” let the father and grandfather think about your child.”
              3. -12
                3 December 2023 13: 50
                Quote: Gardamir
                If he allows his officials to speak like this, then he is responsible for the words of each official. If the officials were not punished for their words. it means he agrees with them. So these are his words.

                Mmmmm.....if the NGSh KA G.K. Zhukov mediocrely botched the beginning of the Second World War and was not impaled for it along with his predecessor, does that mean Stalin is to blame for the losses of territory and the Wehrmacht near Moscow?
                It is by Your logic!!!
                And if you don’t agree, then Zhukov and all the other “German spies and pederasts” who were shot before the war were appointed not by Stalin but by some shadow government, apparently... probably...
                1. +8
                  3 December 2023 14: 03
                  As stated in a number of studies, the General Staff had two options for repelling aggression, carried out on the basis of general “Considerations on the plan for the strategic deployment of forces of the Soviet Union in the event of a war with Germany and its allies for 1940-1941,” dated in the fall of 1940. And according to one of the options - “Southern” and “preparations for war were underway”

                  On the evening of June 21, 1941, Zhukov, according to the memoirs of General I.V. Tyulenev, commander of the Moscow Military District in June 1941, called the districts and warned commanders about a possible attack by Germany and its allies in the next XNUMX hours.

                  This is your answer. Regarding Gladkikh’s statement. Imagine on the eve of the war, some collective farm chairman will declare there will be no war and no one will react to this statement. This is what happened with Gladkikh’s statement. she challenged the actions of the Russian President. And nothing. Because of this “nothing”, then relocants appear and those who do not want to go to the Northern Military District.
                  1. -13
                    3 December 2023 14: 55
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    This is your answer.
                    you didn’t answer my question - how Zhukov was punished for WRONG preparation for war? A person directly responsible for preparation for war - like NGSh KA?
                    1. +6
                      3 December 2023 15: 13
                      Sorry, but which one is correct?!
                    2. +2
                      3 December 2023 15: 25
                      I answered. Another thing is that we don’t remember the times in which we lived, let alone 1941.
                      1. -4
                        3 December 2023 18: 27
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        I replied.
                        -no.
                        you stated
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        If he allows his officials to speak like this, then he is responsible for the words of each official. If the officials were not punished for their words. it means he agrees with them. So these are his words.
                        -if the People's Commissar and the NGSH were appointed by Stalin, they were not punished for the wild defeat of the spacecraft in 1941 - does that mean Stalin is guilty?
                        Is Stalin guilty or not for the actions of those appointed by him?
                      2. +2
                        3 December 2023 20: 01
                        punishment for wild destruction
                        that is, you turned on the fool, so that I would not write to you about the political situation of that period, you will demand yes or no. So maybe we can talk about the events of 2022, why was no one punished?
                      3. -3
                        3 December 2023 20: 58
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        So maybe we can talk about the events of 2022, why was no one punished?
                        -as soon as we retreat to Moscow with a breakthrough of enemy tanks to Yukhnov and millionths losses - then it will be possible to discuss this issue.
                        So far, losses in 2 years are no more than 20 days (!!) of the average static losses of that war. At the same time, we did not surrender 1/3 of the country to the enemy (like Minsk, for example, on the 7th day of the war) - but we are on enemy and significant territory.
                        Yes, losses very large by current standards, but if you punish the current ones for their mistakes/mistakes/ignorance/inability/theft, then Comrade Zhukov deserves no less least punishment. Moreover, he admits his illiteracy even in his memoirs...
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        that is, you turned on the fool, so that I would not write to you about the political situation of that period, you will demand yes or no.
                        - I know like you - NOW - the political situation in 1941. The problem is that neither you nor I know the political reasons for 2022.

                        How do you think people felt about power back then in 1941? Sholokhov truthfully described this attitude:
                        "- Shall I give you some salt? I hate to give you this filthy dung, let alone salt!
                        Lopakhin blinked his eyes in a daze and asked:
                        - Why is there such disfavor with us?
                        - Don’t you know why? - the old woman asked sternly. - Your eyes are shameless. Where are you going? Are you in a hurry for Don? Who will fight for you? Maybe you, the old women, will order us to take guns and defend you from the Germans? The army has been marching through the farm for three days now, we've had a good look at you! And who are you throwing people at? You have no shame, no conscience, you damned ones! When has it ever happened that the enemy reached our places? It’s been a long time since I’ve been alive, but I don’t remember! In the morning you can already hear the guns roaring on the back side. Do you want some salt? May you be salted in the next world, but not over-salted! I'm not giving it! Get out of here!
                        ........
                        - Everything concerns me, my little falcon. Until I was old, I worked my ass off at work, paid all my taxes and helped the authorities, not so that you would now run away like catechumens and leave everything to ruin and ruin. Do you understand this with your empty head?"
                        .....And a small old woman, tired, bent by work and years, walked past with such stern majesty that it seemed to Lopakhin that she was almost twice his height and that she looked at him as if from top to bottom, contemptuous and regretful..."
                        ZY
                        And you can minus me - Sholokhov won’t work
                    3. 0
                      4 December 2023 18: 36
                      How was Zhukov punished for WRONG preparations for war?

                      The incorrect preparation for war then was that they did not hit the deployed Wehrmacht troops in advance, but this issue was not within the competence of Zhukov but of Stalin. No other preparation would help if you wait until the Wehrmacht strikes.
                2. 0
                  4 December 2023 08: 09
                  Dear Svoy1970!
                  Do not pay attention to the minuses given to you for your attitude towards beetles and others. Most of the negative people simply do not think about the fact that the mockery of I.V. Stalin began with Khrushchev, and then, as a counterbalance, a military leader was needed who could be credited with strategic victories in the Second World War. And, naturally, it is necessary to hide and bury the original documents about the army’s preparation for war and the personal participation of Zhukov, Timoshenko and their accomplices in the disaster of ’41 and more than half of ’42. And the same Zhukov, being later the Minister of Defense, had every opportunity to destroy many documents that highlighted his participation in actions that almost led to defeat in the war...
            2. +21
              3 December 2023 10: 57
              Quote: Boris55
              It was definitely not Putin. These are echoes of perestroika.
              Putin is what is in my first post.

              Putin is what is in the article: “We thought, but we were deceived again...”
          2. +18
            3 December 2023 10: 15
            Quote: V.
            Who was to blame for this? Who said that the state didn’t ask you to give birth and that’s your problem? hi

            Moreover, remember to whom, when, under what circumstances it was said? Said in an aggressive manner by former Olympic champion, Olga Gladkikh, head of the youth policy department of the Sverdlovsk region for high school students and students. After such an attack, what kind of mood do the young people have and what thoughts will they have about their children? Moreover, she herself received everything to the maximum from the state
            1. +7
              3 December 2023 19: 01
              Said in an aggressive manner by former Olympic champion, Olga Gladkikh,
              Dmitry, Olympic champions and other professional athletes have the intelligence of the Kyiv mayor Klitschko. Of course, there are probably some who are quite adequate, but they don’t get such positions. By the way, about the intelligence of today's athletes - in 2010, my son served with one guy, candidate of medical sciences. in artistic gymnastics. He fulfilled the discharge standards and left this party. Then he spoke with horror about the cavernous intelligence of these “sports heroes.” Apart from food, women and cars, they are not interested in anything at all.
              1. +4
                3 December 2023 20: 29
                Quote: Aviator_
                .... Apart from food, women and cars, they are not interested in anything at all.

                wink Greetings Sergey! laughing The Glatskys probably have slightly different interests. wassat In the video she is with this am am aggression! Simply terrible! Somewhere on the net.... It seems that dooming people to hunger, poverty, humiliation is just right for her.
                1. +2
                  3 December 2023 20: 45
                  It seems that dooming people to hunger, poverty, humiliation is just right for her.
                  She is already old for sports and other joys of 20-year-olds. In general, Dmitry, this is one of those organisms that do not know what it means to live badly. When I see them, I understand Mao Zedong, who sharply worsened living conditions like this during the so-called. "cultural revolution".
                  1. +5
                    3 December 2023 21: 45
                    After all the attacks on children, she said that officials have small salaries. And in 2016, when I took up the position, I earned more than 4 million rubles
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    ... I understand Mao Zedong, who sharply worsened living conditions like this during the so-called. "cultural revolution".
                    1. +4
                      3 December 2023 22: 01
                      earned more than 4 million rubles
                      I didn’t earn it, but I received it. These are different things. She probably hopes that they will put them in her coffin...
                      1. +4
                        3 December 2023 22: 39
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ...., hopes that they will put them in her coffin..

                        What are you saying, Sergey, she has everything here in abundance, 2 cars, several apartments, plots of land. And her parents have even more, + hunting grounds for rent. Group Sverdlovsk dedicated a song to her, the state shouldn’t talk about her phrase about her. (I’m embarrassed to write because of the vocabulary) Life was good for her
                      2. +3
                        4 December 2023 08: 02
                        Life is good for her
                        Well, it depends on what you consider life. Here is Yu.I. Mukhin in his newspaper "Duel" once gave a figurative interpretation of such a goal - this is the life of a breeding boar on a breeding farm. All pleasures are realized: feeding, sexual needs, medical care. Beauty, a democrat's dream.
                      3. +3
                        4 December 2023 10: 07
                        wink I'm being sarcastic. After all, she doesn’t care, it turns out, it’s not enough, she complained about the low salary crying Extorted a bribe or something recourse
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        [/this is the life of a breeding boar on a breeding farm.
        2. +12
          3 December 2023 11: 22
          Quote: Boris55
          Are you aware that just twenty years ago there was no support for families at all? That the treasury was empty?

          Of course you know...some people remember this every day, stumbling on the steps of the EBN Center...
          Who introduced “maternity leave” in the country?
          1. +19
            3 December 2023 13: 03
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: Boris55
            ..... just twenty years ago there was no support for families at all? ....

            .....Who introduced “maternity leave” in the country?

            And 35 years ago there was support! And 40 years ago! And 50! There are legends that in those days apartments were given for free recourse Or lie? recourse
            Maternity leave was introduced by the BOLSHEVIKS soon after the Revolution. Of course it was small. But ---- it’s not like giving birth in a field or in a workshop, as before the Revolution. Kindergartens and nurseries began to open immediately. Including XNUMX/XNUMX. There were shift jobs. It was necessary to industrialize and work more. And the state helped in raising and serving children. Schools, after-school summer vacations, medicine, dairy kitchens.... clubs, various activities....., Child mortality immediately decreased compared to pre-revolutionary levels.
        3. AUL
          +8
          3 December 2023 13: 59
          Quote: Boris55
          The more the state earns, the more benefits there will be.

          No, the more they will steal!
        4. +6
          3 December 2023 17: 40
          Quote: Boris55
          Are you aware that just twenty years ago there was no support for families at all?

          Do you know what happened 30 years ago?
    2. +15
      3 December 2023 10: 48
      Matkapital and other benefits encourage births primarily in regions with high birth rates, usually subsidized ones. In predominantly Russian regions, budgetary support per person is many times lower, systematically, for a long time, maternity capital will not help the birth rate in these regions.
  3. -7
    3 December 2023 08: 42
    “A person’s life guidelines are much more important. At the heart of a family, in the birth of a child, are love, trust, and strong moral support. We must never forget about this."
    ----Nalivaikas are prohibited.
    ----rural clubs (even if empty)
    Revive. Red-nosed accordion players-masovik-entertainers should get enough for vodka, not homemade.
    Both local and global billionaires will maintain their factories and their housing stock with social support
    1. +23
      3 December 2023 10: 04
      The topic of demography has really taken the Kremlin by storm over the last month. everyone is in a gun, from priests to deputies in the media, they are pumping about family bonds about the ban on abortion and forcing girls to give birth... but the tools for achievement are sufficient... well, what a damn sled from the state... the country’s future cannot be formulated in any way. You can promise any mountains, but where does the money come from? 40% of the next war budget was cut off.
      interesting phenomenon Vova on TV about rotting Pintos and our rise and the demography is screaming the guard... interesting type-elections will be in March
      1. +14
        3 December 2023 10: 56
        Well, they are squirming now and trying to make the birth happen in the spirit of “there is no money, but you hold on.”
        Even this from the article hints
        “The head of state noted that it is impossible to overcome the most difficult demographic problems only with the help of money - social payments, allowances and benefits.”
        hi
      2. +17
        3 December 2023 13: 09
        the country’s future cannot be formulated in any way

        This is the most important thing. There is no picture of the future that is understandable and accepted by all. The Bolsheviks immediately formulated their intentions and their understanding of the future. And the people understood and the result was accordingly
        1. -5
          3 December 2023 13: 57
          Quote: Reptiloid
          The Bolsheviks immediately formulated their intentions and their understanding of the future. And the people understood and the result was accordingly

          After which, almost instantly, both the land and factories became state-owned
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And the people understood and the result was accordingly
          read “Virgin Soil Upturned” - it describes in sufficient detail how the population reacted to this.
          Z.y
          Grandfather Shchukar was inserted there for a reason...
          1. +7
            3 December 2023 14: 51
            hi Greetings!
            How did the population react to this?

            Which one? Peasant. Small owners. With which the Bolsheviks categorically disagreed. By the way, this is precisely why the proletariat would influence the petty bourgeois and “attribute” Donbass to Ukraine. In cities where the proletariat before the Revolution lived in the barracks of factory owners and slept in shifts on 2-3 bunk beds, or in workshops on workbenches, they began to build dormitories with a kitchen, dining room, first-aid post, etc. Kitchen factories appeared, where it was possible to buy semi-finished or ready-made food. They tried to make it easier for women to do housework, as well as laundries, where they could either do their own laundry or give it to them for washing.
            1. -7
              3 December 2023 15: 10
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Which one? Peasant. Small owners. With which the Bolsheviks strongly disagreed
              -80% of the population were peasants. How should 80% of the population feel about what they were promised, given and taken away back?
              They spat and ran to the cities...
              And the authorities would have tried not to give at least some goodies to the then “guest workers” - the peasants.
              And yes, some hints of civilization - for example electricity - began to be carried out in the Saratov Trans-Volga region in the early 1960s belay
              1. +2
                3 December 2023 16: 20
                Quote: your1970
                ..... And yes, some hints of civilization - for example electricity - began to be carried out in the Saratov Trans-Volga region in the early 1960s belay

                Mom told me that in the village of Abakumovo, Aleksinsky district, Tula region, in the 60s there was electricity..... but somehow irregular. It's a few hours' drive from Moscow.
                And here in the Leningrad region, V. Matvienko learned when she was mayor that there are places where there are interruptions in electricity and this needs to be corrected urgently. But when did this happen? Interruptions? In the USSR or already in the Russian Federation recourse
                Quote: your1970
                ..... the authorities would have tried not to give at least some goodies to the then “guest workers” - the peasants..belay

                And having received these buns, they began to work a lot socialistically, exceeding the norms and above the norms, playing sports and performing complex figures, and poets and composers came to their enterprises, read their poems and performed songs and musical compositions, posters were drawn about socialist labor, the poet Bezymensky read his KOMSOMOLIA, which was published in more than a million copies for the entire time until it was banned because of the mention of Trotsky. And it was printed in the new revolutionary printing press, like many new books of that time... wink
                1. -5
                  3 December 2023 16: 26
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  They began to work a lot socialistically, exceeding norms and beyond norms, playing sports and performing complex figures, and poets and composers came to their enterprises, read their poems and performed songs and musical compositions, posters were drawn about socialist labor, the poet Bezymensky read his KOMSOMOLIA , which was published in more than a million copies during the entire period until it was banned because of the mention of Trotsky.

                  and how did this cancel the fact that they were promised land but were not given?
                  Instead of land for them promised first “socialism”, then “communism”, then “a bright future” (when the top people realized that communism was not on the horizon), then “apartments by the year 2000”.
                  As a result, the population simply stopped trusting the authorities - which was one of the reasons for the death of the USSR.
                  1. +4
                    3 December 2023 16: 48
                    When they moved to the city, their life changed a lot. Especially if they moved to Leningrad or Moscow. Did you know that many of those who moved ended up in the cities after dispossession. Probably, no one remembered this past for them, while those who got married and with children were given both separate rooms in dormitories and in apartments, and this was very cool. Leading workers in production have separate apartments... And then the war and there was certainly no time for memories.
                    1. 0
                      3 December 2023 18: 38
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      When they moved to the city, their life changed a lot. Especially if they have moved to Leningrad or Moscow.
                      belay belay belay belay belay
                      But.......
                      That is, you don’t understand in principle - where did those peasants move in the 1920s-1930s??
                      Let me inform you that at that time they could have moved to the city, to Siberia or the Urals. Sometimes the city was in the future, then someday fellow - like Komsomolsk on Amur. And for starters, tents.
                      And it was fun with the dispossessed - if he had the mark of a special settler or just a registration stamp in Vorkuta, then Saratov was the best for him
                      A few could get into Moscow/Leningrad - the residence regime was quite strict, “101 km” generally applied to all major cities of the USSR and it affected not only criminals, but also those who wanted to just infiltrate the city. It was thanks to this that the population of Tver, for example, began to grow - having at the same time a not particularly good reputation
                      1. +2
                        3 December 2023 19: 11
                        I’ll have to read everything again to answer you; I read all about this a long time ago. Industry was in Leningrad and Moscow, factories. True, Donbass, Kuzbass, hydroelectric power stations, railways.... Then they began to build a metro in Moscow and this also required a lot of visitors.
                        The dispossessed people were also different. Someone’s sewing machine was requisitioned and that’s it, but someone was sent away, as you write and this
                        two big differences
                      2. +1
                        3 December 2023 19: 23
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Industry was in Leningrad and Moscow, factories
                        -areas around them.
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Then the metro began to be built in Moscow and this also required a lot of visitors.
                        - about 4 people. But the laying was carried out by miners - obviously not peasants, but finishing - by those who infiltrated and learned to do it earlier - Muscovites in the second - third (pre-revolutionary) generation.

                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Someone’s sewing machine was requisitioned and that’s it

                        -if a person had a sewing machine, he was definitely dispossessed and sent to a special settlement. A machine in the village then is like a chain of clothing stores now. In the 1970s, a neighbor sewed a little in our village; my grandmother said that she earned 150 rubles from this. More than my mother, the head of the tank laboratory..
                        A relatively lucky peasant could have produced horses/cows - but a machine is a business...
                      3. +1
                        3 December 2023 22: 34
                        Stop pounding the water in the mortar. All this has been studied a long time ago, by sociology in the 80s of the last century, and by anti-communists a little earlier.
                        The social structure was examined and it was found that a society consisting of an overwhelming number of hired workers is not viable. Sociologists found this out, but the USSR did not like their answer. Although the need for a mixed economy was proclaimed, no real steps were taken.
                        The majority of employees will never receive funds from their employer for at least their own reproduction. Or, to put it another way, most of the hired workers are doomed to fade away if there is no multi-structured economy.
                        Plus a lot of additional factors, such as national and monetary policies, as well as the level of sovereignty.
                  2. 0
                    4 December 2023 18: 46
                    and how did this cancel the fact that they were promised land but were not given?

                    A piece of land has become irrelevant because it was not the Middle Ages that were built, instead of land they were given apartments and work in a factory, as well as social elevators and free education, medicine and resorts.
  4. +8
    3 December 2023 08: 42
    that it is impossible to overcome the most difficult demographic problems only with the help of money - social payments, benefits and benefits.

    And I thought that this is exactly where we should start, with financial support for families...
    1. +9
      3 December 2023 09: 07
      Quote: Doccor18
      And I thought that this is exactly where we should start, with financial support for families...

      The “new citizens” (who are already breeding like cats) will thank you very much. To selectively support “only those who do not reproduce” will not allow, um, tolerance, after all, citizens are equal request
      1. +24
        3 December 2023 09: 28
        Quote: Repellent
        New citizens" (

        If we had initially thought about the “old” citizens, the “new” ones would not have been needed...
        1. -6
          3 December 2023 09: 33
          Quote: Doccor18
          If they had initially thought about “old” citizens

          If my grandmother had a propeller... the conversation is not about what would happen “if”, but about what to do now. Yours

          Quote: Doccor18
          we must start with financial support for families...

          - will lead to another surge in the population... well, I already wrote above who.

          Any other creative ideas or anything?
          1. +10
            3 December 2023 09: 42
            Quote: Repellent
            will lead to another surge in population...

            Yes, what a “spike”, everything is fine with the population there. In any situation. We are talking about the local population, about their survival...
            Quote: Repellent
            what to do now

            Help families raise children! Even maternal capital (who would have thought) led to an increase in the birth rate... What if people with local registration had their mortgage closed after the birth of their third/fourth child? It seems that the effect would be quite obvious. But that’s just me, dreaming, the bankers are already laughing at my fantasies...
            1. +4
              3 December 2023 09: 48
              Quote: Doccor18
              Helping families raise children

              Well, the goal is right...

              Quote: Doccor18
              Even maternal capital (who would have thought) led to increasing the birth rate...What if people with local registration were given a mortgage? after birth third/fourth child?

              Stop. “Giving birth” and “raising” are very different things. Your proposal will help decide on “giving birth”, and that’s all. But we need something that would stimulate us to grow and educate.

              Quote: Doccor18
              bankers are already laughing at my fantasies...

              Well, money was nevertheless found for mother capital. In this case, the point is not about the stinginess of the state, but about the fact that financial support alone, unfortunately, will not solve the problem.

              Something like that.
              1. +1
                3 December 2023 21: 42
                Quote: Repellent
                Your proposal will help decide on “giving birth”, and that’s all. But we need something that would encourage us to grow and educate.

                These are already insignificant little things. The main thing is to give birth. laughing
          2. -1
            3 December 2023 20: 54
            Quote: Repellent
            - will lead to another surge in the population... well, I already wrote above who.

            And those who “whom” are not people? And what do you suggest? It's really interesting to hear creativity from you. This is taking into account the fact that apart from the importation and reformatting of guest workers as Russians, there are fundamentally no real opportunities to reverse the situation in the current economic system.
            1. +1
              3 December 2023 20: 57
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              And those who “whom” are not people? And what do you suggest? It's really interesting to hear creativity from you

              Well, what are you yelling about? You'll scare away all my fish like that request

              I hate your comrades-in-arms, the turbo-communists. Whose stupid ideas prevail over... everything else. Don't interfere.
              1. 0
                3 December 2023 21: 02
                Quote: Repellent
                I hate your comrades-in-arms, the turbo-communists.

                Let the pale pink ones go into the swamp. It's good to troll the weak-minded. Let's get creative. Maybe I’m really interested in what kind of fabulous ideas appeared there. I can’t keep up with the rapid post-modern thought of quantum patriots.
                1. +1
                  3 December 2023 21: 05
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Let's get creative

                  Let's all get creative... take it out, put it down - get creative... and at work too, guess what? I'm tired, you won't believe it.

                  I have no ideas on the topic “how can we multiply Russians.” If there was, I would have already made it public, no doubt about it. But no request crying
                  1. 0
                    3 December 2023 21: 29
                    Quote: Repellent
                    I'm tired, you won't believe it.

                    Why burn it? I believe. I'm tired myself. Actually from everything. I only have one galvanic reaction to stupidity left.
                    Quote: Repellent
                    I have no ideas on the topic “how can we multiply Russians.”

                    I believe it too. Because they do not exist and cannot exist. In addition to bringing in guest workers until they run out. Although no, I’m lying. There is another option to move everyone to Samsonov’s parallel Universe. Where the bonding magic works.
            2. 0
              3 December 2023 23: 31
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Quote: Repellent
              - will lead to another surge in the population... well, I already wrote above who.

              And those who "whom"Aren't they people?

              Oops and right there
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              In addition to importing guest workers until they run out

              First, be indignant - “Aren’t they people?” and then angrily say about CASH delivery?
              Split personality?
              To give THEM money so that they multiply on the spot so that CASH not to import?
              Somehow I lost your train of thought Repellent for a couple... yeah-yeah...
          3. 0
            4 December 2023 18: 49
            will lead to another surge in the population... well, I already wrote above who.

            Well, they are also citizens and it is not their fault that Russians do not want to reproduce.
  5. +22
    3 December 2023 08: 56
    And who will implement the program? The same officials in whose hands ALL THE COUNTRY’S MONEY. Do you think they will share, it’s unlikely. There will be imitation and cutting of the budget. And the people will still survive. hi
  6. +32
    3 December 2023 09: 00
    Another of his babbles before “elections without choice.”
    The height of hypocrisy, however, is as always in his performance.
    My personal opinion is that the main enemies of the Russian people themselves organized and themselves took an active part in this sham.
    And they blamed migrants for this tragedy. Not their loved ones with their cannibalistic policies for 30 years, but the poor Asians they brought in.
    In short, shepherds and wolves suddenly became concerned about the number of sheep... the food supply is rapidly decreasing.
    The performers in the circus arena are still the same... nothing changes in the kingdom of crooked mirrors...
    1. AUL
      +24
      3 December 2023 10: 33
      We can talk endlessly about spiritual bonds, traditional values, etc., etc....
      But:
      - medicine did not cure, and still does not cure (but it takes money, even “free”);
      - the school didn’t really teach, and still doesn’t teach (but takes money);
      - Housing and communal services are being robbed more and more, and there is no justice for it and there is no sign of it;
      - bureaucratic lawlessness is off the charts;
      - the trade mafia has gone completely brutal;
      - one working person will not be able to feed a family (with the exception of the mentioned 10-12%);
      - the police did not protect people, and still do not protect...
      It looks like the country has been left to its own devices. The cat abandoned the kittens...
      So be fruitful and multiply! laughing
      1. +6
        3 December 2023 11: 52
        Quote from AUL
        It looks like the country has been left to its own devices.

        And there is.
        Quote from AUL
        . The cat abandoned the kittens...

        "Cat" doesn't work.
    2. +8
      3 December 2023 11: 42
      The performers in the circus arena are still the same....
      It’s wrong for you to talk about circus performers, real circus performers may be offended. smile
  7. +16
    3 December 2023 09: 00
    It’s interesting that in Russia, rulers begin to love their people only when there is a smell of death in the air, when it is truly dangerous? And then, after overcoming the danger, they happily forget about the Russians, and begin to lick all sorts of God’s chosen ones and respect the American people? I, V, Stalin - “Comrades! Citizens! Brothers and sisters! Soldiers of our army and navy! I appeal to you, my friends!"... V.V. Putin - "Without Russians as an ethnic group, without the Russian people there is and cannot beb of the Russian world and itself Of Russia "...- "To be Russian is, first of all, a responsibility, I repeat, a huge responsibility for preserving Russia. This is where true patriotism lies."
    1. -8
      3 December 2023 09: 19
      And what? Putin said correctly.
      A people who do not understand that it is they who will always be extreme and responsible for the History of their country do not have a future.
      The British are responsible for the history of England. For Germany, the Germans.
      What people are responsible for Russia? Right, laughing of course Jews! All “patriots” are sure of this

      And the Russians are like: “we are 100 million, we just stood next to them and saw what these and these others were doing... And Putin, you see... he says one thing, but does another... And we we understand everything!!!! laughing ."
    2. +3
      3 December 2023 11: 00
      What does their death have to do with it? hi "" ""
    3. AUL
      +6
      3 December 2023 13: 04
      Quote: 30 vis
      It’s interesting that in Russia, rulers begin to love their people only when there is a smell of death in the air, when it is truly dangerous?

      And before the elections!
    4. 0
      4 December 2023 08: 53
      Dear My!
      You are mistaken in putting J.V. Stalin and our smooth-talking guarantor on the same level! J.V. Stalin first got rid of the traitors - the Trotskyist-Leninists, then, while leading the country, he raised industrial production, which ensured victory over the fascist West. And it was he who created the system that ensured the post-war development of the country, the creation of a nuclear shield... And our guarantor - he was “deceived”, his replacement, by the way - “there is no money, but you hold on”... How can you compare a brilliant leader with the current shadow EBN? For 8 years he didn’t see what was going on in Donbass, how Russian-speaking people were being spread rot by dill - it’s good that he realized that he couldn’t continue to be a bully. And the failure of the beginning of the Northern Military District and the current positional trampling - no, this is not even close to the shadow of I.V. Stalin.
      1. +1
        4 December 2023 09: 11
        Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
        Dear My!
        You are mistaken in putting J.V. Stalin and our smooth-talking guarantor on the same level! J.V. Stalin first got rid of

        I don’t put IVStalin and VVPutin on the same level. Completely different people who made different mistakes and did the right things. And as for getting rid of.. Stalin got rid of the Russian nobility, Russian intelligentsia, Russian hardworking peasantry, Russian Cossacks, Russian technical and military schools, Russian merchants, and by the beginning of the Great Patriotic War the war came with a poorly trained army, at the beginning of rearmament, with executed and imprisoned commanders .. And suffered huge losses in personnel and equipment. She retreated to Moscow, suffering huge losses in killed and captured Red Army soldiers. So, “Brothers and Sisters” was not sung out of love for the Russian people, but for obvious reasons. hi
        1. -1
          4 December 2023 18: 04
          Dear 30vis!
          The tsarist army lost the war of 1904-1905 to Japan, and also lost the First World War. The USSR, practically alone, led by I.V. Stalin, won the war - it defeated the entire European pack that had united with Hitler. And the defeats of 41-42 were entirely the fault of the Tymoshenkas, the Zhukovs... It was they and their accomplices who survived after the execution of Tukhachevsky and his company and were able to so weaken the Belarusian direction closest to Moscow that Minsk was taken a week later... Mockery of I.V. Stalin began with Khrushchev and was continued by our “democrats” - EBN’s accomplices. After the death of I.V. Stalin, Khrushchev needed a military leader who could be credited with strategic victories in the Second World War. Many documents about the army’s preparation for war and the personal participation of Zhukov and Timoshenko in the disaster of ’41 and more than half of ’42 were destroyed. It is these “literates” who, in fact, are traitors. are to blame for the defeats in '41 and '42. And since 1939, J.V. Stalin organized the construction in the east of the country of more than 2 thousand sites to house the most important factories from the European part of the country - that is, he foresaw that a strong enemy could penetrate deeply into the USSR! And since the beginning of the war, more than 2 thousand factories and 10 million workers of these enterprises were evacuated to these areas! And, by the way, the evacuation was led by L.P. Beria, who was also slandered by the “democrats”...
          And our guarantor, along with the money bags, suddenly concerned about preserving the people, simply understands that for the West he is no longer “one of our own, bourgeois” - these are his words! and, therefore, at home you need to have not a dying people, but a number of slaves sufficient for the comfortable life of the fattening elite and such a number sufficient to protect the country from the encroachments of the West and the East...
          1. -1
            5 December 2023 08: 59
            Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander
            The mockery of J.V. Stalin began with Khrushchev and was continued by our “democrats”

            Tell my grandparents, uncles and their children about the mockery. Ordinary peasants from Penza and Zhitomir.. From the regions, naturally. Small villages.. Became enemies of the people, Because they knew how to work on the land. We worked as a whole big friendly family... And to my Dad, who was not given a pass at school, calling a beggar, hungry, ragged, barefoot child the son of an enemy of the people.. But it doesn’t take much intelligence to whistle with an artistic whistle. Misrepresent everything... It is you who can hang noodles on the ears of illiterate idiots. I won't succeed. bully
  8. +19
    3 December 2023 09: 01
    Saving and increasing the people of the Russian Federation...??? this is the program song in his concerts, alas, in reality it’s the other way around
    1. +2
      3 December 2023 17: 50
      as a certain scumbag sings from every CHILDREN's phone or at matinees at school (look for examples in Yandex query yourself) - “for money YES!”
  9. +29
    3 December 2023 09: 16
    Here's from yesterday's news
    police raided LGBT clubs in Moscow
    I wonder under which ruler these clubs appeared?
    Who imports so many migrants that Russian culture disappears against their background, there are halal ones all around, are the mosques being built really for Russians?
    Who hasn’t refuted his words that Russia is not for Russians?
    1. +3
      3 December 2023 10: 39
      Quote: Gardamir
      police raided LGBT clubs in Moscow
      I wonder under which ruler these clubs appeared....

      There were reports of Russian sodomite terrorists. Or about the Russian separatist who fled to Poland, homosexual V. G. Zhivitsa. He was even a deputy from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in Smolensk. Then--- expelled! Now terrorist Ruslan Sidiki has been detained. He is also a sodomite. On November 11, 2023, he blew up a railway in the Ryazan region. 34 freight cars. Subjected. Performed tasks for the Ukrainian special services. He supported the Navalnists. By the way, his hobby is informal recreation. He knew his way around the forest well, knew how to camouflage himself, rode a bicycle through Central Russia..... How much more he could do with such a skill!
    2. -2
      3 December 2023 14: 06
      Quote: Gardamir
      I wonder under which ruler these clubs appeared?

      1986 year USSR Moscow first gay club "Sinichka" and singer Borka Moiseev on TV - with as many as 2 channels...
      Apparently the Central Committee of the CPSU was in charge?
      Quote: Gardamir
      Who brings so many migrants?
      who transported Tajiks/Kyrgyzs around the country in the 1970s to the army and to Komsomol construction sites?
      From where in 1960 Koreans appeared in the country en masse??
      From where in 1970 Kurds appeared in the Saratov Trans-Volga region belay ??
      1. +7
        3 December 2023 15: 36
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: Gardamir
        I wonder under which ruler these clubs appeared?

        1986 USSR Moscow first gay club "Sinichka"

        Everything is correct under Gorbachev’s rule - perestroika, glasnost, acceleration, new thinking. This is the same era, the destruction of the USSR and later the entire Soviet legacy. It’s not for nothing that the GDP awarded its predecessors and opened centers for them.
        1. -1
          3 December 2023 18: 40
          Quote: Third District
          Everything is correct under Gorbachev’s rule - perestroika, glasnost, acceleration, new thinking.
          -that is all polls Did the CPSU Central Committee also agree on homosexuality? Since Moiseev and Sinichka really existed, and Borka also sang in a box, and the program had to be agreed upon at a certain level?
      2. +6
        3 December 2023 19: 12
        who drove Tajiks/Kyrgyzs around the country in the 1970s to Army
        In fact, everyone was required to serve in the SA unless there were deferments or medical contraindications. It seems that if you lived in the USSR, it was only a short time, and you take the material from Ogonyok in the late 80s.
        1. -2
          3 December 2023 21: 10
          Can you imagine the costs of transporting me as a conscript from Saratov to Moscow, then to Gorky and then to Kushka?
          A colleague who came with me from Gorky to Kushka then flew from Kushka to Mogocha and then to Saratov for demobilization...
          Is it advisable to confuse the traces in this way (there is no other way)?
          1. +1
            3 December 2023 21: 36
            Is it advisable to confuse the traces in this way (there is no other way)?
            Did you want to go straight to Kushka?
            1. +1
              3 December 2023 21: 49
              Quote: Aviator_
              Is it advisable to confuse the traces in this way (there is no other way)?
              Did you want to go straight to Kushka?
              -in principle, I was not against Afghanistan
    3. 0
      3 December 2023 21: 46
      Quote: Gardamir
      I wonder under which ruler these clubs appeared?

      Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Trump, Biden?
      1. -2
        3 December 2023 23: 49
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Reagan
        you guessed
        Quote: your1970
        1986 year USSR Moscow first gay club "Sinichka" and singer Borka Moiseev on TV - with as many as 2 channels...
  10. +21
    3 December 2023 09: 20
    “Having many children and a large family should become the norm, a way of life for all the peoples of Russia. ",
    - said Putin.
    The President lives in a parallel reality. Large families cannot be the norm in Russian families. There are absolutely no conditions for this, both socio-economic and mental-cultural.
    1. +4
      3 December 2023 11: 15
      Quote: populist
      Large families cannot be the norm in Russian families.

      To do this, you need to remember the village, where such a way of life was practiced and was in demand, but an urban family, in which it is possible to support 3-4 children, is possible...
      (see below)
      1. +5
        3 December 2023 11: 39
        Quote: ROSS 42
        To do this, you need to remember the village where such a way of life was practiced and was in demand

        You can remember. I always remember this. However, under the current government it is impossible to focus on rural development. They drive everyone to scary megacities.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        but an urban family in which it is possible to support 3-4 children is possible..

        A Russian urban family with 3 children is quite possible; with 4 - I very much doubt it. But for this we need to change the mentality and do a lot more.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        (see below)

        I looked at it and agree with a lot of it. I especially liked the one about young officials. If you have 2-3 children, you can be in power, but if not, you just walk by. good
        1. -1
          3 December 2023 12: 13
          It is impossible to focus on rural development.
          Due to the high productivity of mechanized labor, there is nothing to do in the countryside. If in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia the entire village used sickles and flails to harvest the grain harvest for a week, and then it was taken out on creaking carts, now the same field one The combine operator will remove it before lunch.
          1. +4
            3 December 2023 12: 34
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Due to the high productivity of mechanized labor, there is nothing to do in the countryside

            Of course. I didn't express myself carefully. It should have been written “it is impossible to focus on the development of small towns”
          2. -5
            3 December 2023 14: 18
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            It is impossible to focus on rural development.
            Due to the high productivity of mechanized labor, there is nothing to do in the countryside. If in the days of the Republic of Ingushetia the entire village used sickles and flails to harvest the grain harvest for a week, and then it was taken out on creaking carts, now the same field one The combine operator will remove it before lunch.

            But people don’t understand that with approximately 60% of the area used during the USSR, the harvest now is approximately equal to what it was then. And at the same time, about 200 people were engaged in cleaning in my father-in-law’s village - and now there are 28.
            Productivity is the same as in the USSR - 6-8-10 c per hectare of durum wheat
            1. +2
              3 December 2023 14: 32
              6-8-10 c/ha of durum wheat
              In England - 8.6 tons per hectare on average.
              1. -3
                3 December 2023 15: 00
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                6-8-10 c/ha of durum wheat
                In England - 8.6 tons per hectare on average.
                -our wheat solid varieties Saratov Trans-Volga region and a ton costs on average about 4 tons of regular / 6 tons of feed.
                For our wheat this is a good yield, 12 centners per hectare is a wild harvest.
                All high-quality pasta is made exclusively from this type of wheat.
                We don’t grow fodder - crop failures often and, unlike hard cash reserves, do not create a reserve for a couple of years due to their cheapness
                1. +5
                  3 December 2023 15: 14
                  our durum wheat
                  English is used for baking, not for fodder.
                  1. 0
                    3 December 2023 18: 48
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    our durum wheat
                    English is used for baking, not for fodder.
                    I showed you the ratio exchange prices for our wheat
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    ton costs on average approximately 4 tons regular / 6 feed

                    Well, the climate of the Saratov Trans-Volga region goes without saying - if you have it in the summer +40 - a month, and then a couple of months +35 and 3 rains for the whole summer - you will have a harvest... but you won’t have it at all...
                    A crop failure is when there is 1 rain in the summer, +45 all summer, and the winter crops froze because there was no snow until January at -20.
                    And this is how we do it every 2-3 years - this is why there is no point in growing ordinary grain, it brings in too little money even with high yields.
                    1. +1
                      3 December 2023 18: 59
                      if you have +40 in the summer - a month, and then a couple of months +35 and 3 rains for the whole summer - you will have a yield... but you will not have it at all.
                      Italian grain farmers filming 42 quintals per hectare wheat of standard quality (there is nowhere higher) are very surprised by this turn of affairs - they are even happier with the weather.
                      1. +1
                        3 December 2023 19: 07
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        if you have +40 in the summer - a month, and then a couple of months +35 and 3 rains for the whole summer - you will have a yield... but you will not have it at all.
                        Italian grain farmers filming 42 quintals per hectare wheat of standard quality (there is nowhere higher) are very surprised by this turn of affairs - they still have more fun with the weather.

                        "In Italy it is quite cool in winter, but usually nowhere except in the mountainous regions, The thermometer does not fall below zero lol (In winter it’s up to -25 here, but sometimes it’s -30).
                        May +21(we have +30) +11 +18 Beach
                        June +25 (+40 with us)belay +15 +23 Beach
                        July +27 (+40 with us )belay +17 +25 Beach
                        August +27 (+35 with us )belay +17 +25 Beach
                        From March to October in the southern regions, in Sicily, as well as on the western coast of the country, from the very toe of the boot to Naples, the “sirocco” blows - a dry dusty wind from the Sahara. The temperature rises to +35."
                        https://www.tutu.ru/geo/italy/article/weather/

                        that's as soon as the territory is recognized in Italy LEGALLY semi-desert (I'm talking about my area!!) with a difference from +40 to -30 - then it will be possible to compare climates and crops...
                        "They have more fun" yeah
            2. +2
              3 December 2023 19: 15
              Productivity is the same as in the USSR - 6-8-10 c per hectare of durum wheat
              In the Orenburg region, in the 60-70s, durum wheat yielded at least 16 c/ha, or even more (depending on the weather). I’m telling you this as a resident of this area at the time.
              1. -1
                3 December 2023 22: 00
                Quote: Aviator_
                Productivity is the same as in the USSR - 6-8-10 c per hectare of durum wheat
                In the Orenburg region, in the 60-70s, durum wheat yielded at least 16 c/ha, or even more (depending on the weather). I’m telling you this as a resident of this area at the time.
                -I’m talking about the Saratov Trans-Volga region. It no longer happens on our soils.
                My father-in-law always took 1-2-3 place in the region in terms of threshing at the harvest - he had 15 (now he was in my bathhouse - I checked) it was a couple of three times and that’s it, 12 happened, usually 10.
                Everything depended heavily on the year, harvest, winds and snow - just like everywhere and always with peasants.
                And you understand perfectly well that to compare us with the Italians with their Mediterranean climate - nonsense
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                Italian grain growers harvesting 42 centners per hectare of wheat of standard quality
                1. +2
                  3 December 2023 22: 08
                  And you understand perfectly well that equating us with the Italians with their Mediterranean climate is nonsense
                  Naturally, this is the same as equalizing the yields in the Kuban and Orenburg regions. In Kuban, in my opinion, there has never been less than 36 c/ha.
                  1. -1
                    4 December 2023 10: 33
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    And you understand perfectly well that equating us with the Italians with their Mediterranean climate is nonsense
                    Naturally, this is the same as equalizing the yields in the Kuban and Orenburg regions. In Kuban, in my opinion, there has never been less than 36 c/ha.

                    Quote: Aviator_
                    Orenburg region, in the 60-70s,
                    I checked with my father-in-law - we also had a slight increase in harvests in the 1960s and early 1970s - due to virgin landsIt was she who gave the increase then. Then everything dropped to the level I indicated
                    1. 0
                      4 December 2023 16: 17
                      We also had a slight increase in harvests in the 1960s and early 1970s - due to virgin soil.
                      Sergey, virgin lands are from 1954 to 1961, approximately. At this time, it gave a gross increase in grain (the yield of virgin soil was not higher than 12 c/ha). By the beginning of the 60s, due to moldboard plowing, all virgin black soil was blown away; later, from the mid-60s, they began to use non-moldboard technology (which, by the way, was recommended by Lysenko, who was slandered by Khrushchev Kukuruzny). I’m talking about productivity, not about the gross grain harvest.
          3. +1
            3 December 2023 21: 48
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            Due to the high productivity of mechanized labor, there is nothing to do in the countryside

            It has already reached the point that there is nothing to do in small and medium-sized cities due to the growth of productive forces. And these geniuses are all raving about the homespun villages.
  11. +16
    3 December 2023 09: 23
    “Saving and increasing the people of Russia - our task for the coming decade, and I’ll say more right away – for a generation to come.”

    Good task. But how did he fulfill the previous tasks - the May Decrees and National Projects? The topic of demography was also touched upon there.
    1. +11
      3 December 2023 11: 12
      The issue of the leader’s responsibility for his words and promises was not raised there...
  12. +18
    3 December 2023 09: 37
    even nails were imported to Russia from Finland, Belarus and China.

    Self-tapping screws are still being delivered! Almost half of the Chinese ones are on sale. And if you take tools (screwdrivers, hammers), the overwhelming share of them is Chinese. It’s better to remain sadly silent about power tools.

    we need to move from the strategy of “human villagers” to cities and garden villages, when the family lives in a manor house with a vegetable garden and personal living space.

    By the way, this is roughly how our southern “giving birth” republics live.
  13. +11
    3 December 2023 09: 46
    As they noticed here, those who will implement this project, all the same officials in their places, are the same ones who moved us to the west.
  14. -3
    3 December 2023 10: 05
    What can be done?

    As always, the army must take matters into its own hands.
    1. Unmarried military graduates are taught to be awarded the rank of junior lieutenant, and married graduates are given the rank of lieutenant.
    2. Promotion should take into account the presence and number of children. All other things being equal, having many children is a priority.
    3. If you want to go to the academy, you have at least three children.
    4. The rank of general - at least five children.
    1. +4
      3 December 2023 11: 08
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      4. The rank of general - at least five children.

      During my years of service, I was personally acquainted with captains who, despite the absence of academies and everything else, had two children in the family and on the side (in different regions of the Soviet Union) at least 3-4... Yes
      1. +1
        3 December 2023 11: 10
        This is a real contribution to defense capability! wink
    2. +3
      3 December 2023 13: 37
      5 I would like my eldest son to go to school, on his own track, to become a future general - for at least seven or eight days.
    3. 0
      3 December 2023 21: 51
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      The rank of general - at least five children.

      And for a marshal or generalissimo? Please tell me the entire price list.
      1. 0
        3 December 2023 21: 53
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        And for a marshal or generalissimo?

        No less than ten.
        1. +3
          3 December 2023 22: 00
          It's clear. But there's one catch. With such a system, Suvorov would have been stuck somewhere at the cap level.
          1. -1
            3 December 2023 22: 05
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Suvorov would have been stuck somewhere at the cap level.

            That wouldn't stop him from winning.
  15. +6
    3 December 2023 10: 15
    The mistake is already in the title of the article: not to multiply, but to multiply - should you read further?
    1. +5
      3 December 2023 10: 36
      The Russian language is rich and diverse.
      It is believed that the choice between “multiply” and “multiply” depends on the context and the desired degree of increase. If something needs to be increased slightly, using "multiply" is more appropriate. And if you need to achieve maximum magnification, then you should use “multiply”.
      However, the reference and information portal “Russian Language” with reference to the “Russian Spelling Dictionary of the Russian Academy of Sciences” edited by V.V. Lopatina and O.E. Ivanova recommends writing “increase” in all cases.
  16. +16
    3 December 2023 10: 16
    Why, instead of the spiritually and physically real “Russian people”, did they begin to intensively introduce the imaginary abstraction “Russian world” to us? They copied the West, but what did the “Russian world” become a copy of? “American Cauldron”, “Euroworld” with the infection of drugs and sodomy? Has anyone heard of the Nepalese, Brazilian, Estonian worlds?
    Another is “Multinational people”. Linguists, please confirm the consistency of this concept!
    Third. "Top" uses the word "morality". Morality is an integral property of a single and integral collective folk organism. But Russian capitalism, like other capitalism, does not imply unity of interests and, accordingly, unity of morality - this is impossible with “unequal exchange”.
    In summary: I remember Professor Porshnev’s hypothesis - the second signaling system was created for suggestion (that means for manipulation).
    1. 0
      3 December 2023 13: 40
      How is “Deripaska’s morality” different from Potanin’s morality?
      1. +1
        3 December 2023 13: 46
        - one subspecies of humans, there is no difference. Another subspecies - primary producers - has a different morality.
  17. +15
    3 December 2023 10: 17
    Production suffered colossal losses (Capitalism became worse for Russia than World War II). When even nails were imported to Russia from Finland, Belarus and China.

    Needles!
    The President forgot about needles! Needles from Finland. The same ones that you can sprinkle in a barn on a small machine and thereby provide your large family with sufficient monetary allowance. Small business, which I literally shouted about in the pre-Covid era, and everyone sent me. And probably right. Because they will come, take it away, destroy it, burn it,
    they will be fined, imprisoned, killed. There were few cases - especially in agriculture?
    What a big family?
  18. +15
    3 December 2023 10: 50
    Thanks to the treacherous EBN regime in Russia:
    ...they abandoned their development project (Soviet - based on social justice and ethics of conscience), their image of the future (beautiful is far away), their industry (we will sell resources and buy everything else).

    In the DPRK, isolated from everyone, the entire population in 1960 was approximately 10 million people; in the RSFSR at that time there were 119 million people (from about 30-40 million Russians living in the union republics).
    In 2023, the population of North Korea increased by more than one and a half times and amounted to more than 26 million people (with an annual increase of 2%). In Russia, the population has “reached” 146 million people, while decreasing by hundreds of thousands annually (in recent years).
    * * *
    Well, the current government is disgusted by socialism, it is not satisfied with truly popular power, so show that your bourgeois government is capable of solving the problem.
    Why the hell are you holding on to this Central Bank of the Russian Federation today - the gravedigger of the Russian economy?
    * * *
    For what reasons did you decide to provide dividends to various pseudo shareholders, a priori non-existent joint stock companies?
    How long will you continue to believe that a person in Russia is able to live on 16 rubles a month, while for an official even 000 will not be enough?
    How did you calculate the progress of personal income tax at 2%?
    * * *
    There are a great many solutions to the demographic problem. Only (the Minister of Health can confirm this to you) only a woman can give birth to children - this is how nature ordered. You can provide her with this right with material wealth in the following way (I repeat).
    The other day, the leader of the “SR” faction, Mr. Mironov, said that about 1 million (0,68% of the Russian population) of various “IT” and “top” managers live in Russia, with incomes of 10 or more rubles per month. And the personal income tax, which they pay according to “Putin’s” law, is 000%. He proposed raising it to 000% (by the way, the same N.N. Platoshkin in his program proposed raising it to 15%)...
    If the bourgeois gentlemen do not want a voluntary turn to socialism, why not offer them a personal income tax of 45%, as in China?
    The amount of payments to the budget will increase by more than 30% and will be:
    10 (rubles/month) x 000 (eccentrics with such a salary) x 000 (difference between the existing and new personal income tax) x 1 (number of months in a year) = 000 rubles per year!!!
    Less than 2 babies are born in Russia every year. Ensure that the mother who gives birth to a child (not after 000 years and not in a “sneak peek”, but after 000 months) receives an amount of 18...3...4!!! million rubles...I guarantee that from 5 the population of Russia will begin to grow, and the remaining (at the largest expenses) 6 trillion. rubles can be used to resolve issues of providing infrastructure for mothers and children... Ultimately, to solve this shameful practice of collecting millions of SMS messages.
    * * *
    You can throw stones at me, but at the legal level it is necessary to prohibit women who do not have children from participating in the work of government bodies.
    “To remove the severity”...
    * * *
    THIS IS MY SPECIFIC PROPOSAL!!!
    1. +11
      3 December 2023 11: 02
      I almost forgot, many women, with such payments, can become ordinary housewives if three years of child care (prenatal and postnatal leave) is included in the length of service for calculating a pension, which can be accrued to mothers of many children from the age of 50...
      1. +6
        3 December 2023 13: 42
        Many women with such payments can become ordinary housewives

        With a catastrophic shortage of local labor!
        Imagine, the other day I go to Chizhik. List of advertisements: required... required... Salary on average 50 - 60 thousand. There is one cashier, three cash registers. I hear a conversation between her and the cashier who is currently busy cleaning the room. Like, I didn’t hear that they gave you at least a salary for October? At least an advance? No, they didn’t lie, they don’t say anything.
        Like this. December is already around the corner. Meanwhile, in “Chizhik” and at the three cash registers there are huge queues, the owners have money, but they don’t give wages to the workers, they quit en masse, and a “Wanted” list appears.
        What's happening? What happens is that the owners stack their cash in order to buy foreign currency before the borders are completely closed (obviously not yuan) and flee abroad in time.
        Further. I come home, in the entrance lobby, again, my eyes rest on the “Wanted” list, but this time from our housing and communal services. They there - did they all quit? And I need to change the axle box on the crane. I started reading on the Internet how to change the crane axle box. It’s very clear, there’s a lot of video, but it’s scary, I might mess it up, who will fix it? Because there is no such thing anymore, it is “required”.
        And then I remembered! In the "Wanted" list, everyone is offered 60 thousand, and the electrician - 25 thousand.
        Still in deep thought - how can this be?
        1. -6
          3 December 2023 14: 26
          Quote: depressant
          Further. Come home. I rest my eyes on the “Wanted” list from our housing and communal services. They there - did they all quit? And I need to change the axle box on the crane. I started reading on the Internet how to change the crane axle box.

          And this confirms that migrants are leaving- in refutation of those who howl that they “came in large numbers” and “in housing and communal services it is strictly through connections”
          I, who live on the border with Kazakhstan and see how many migrants are leaving, in their opinion, apparently lied
          1. +4
            3 December 2023 14: 58
            And this confirms that migrants are leaving

            We had no migrants - neither in Chizhik, nor in the housing and communal services (there were none here at the request of the population), we had migrants in Pyaterochka. They stopped paying salaries, like in the 90s, they are afraid of losing money, they are waiting for the presidential elections - what if something goes wrong, they will immediately run away with their money. In fact, there are many frightening rumors on the Internet about impending reprisals against unscrupulous production owners. And who, in our hastily stitched, crooked and askew capitalism, is conscientious? The visionaries will survive. Those who do not pay salaries to employees.
            1. -1
              3 December 2023 19: 00
              Quote: depressant
              they are waiting for the presidential election - what if something goes wrong, they will immediately run away with their money. In fact, there are many frightening rumors on the Internet about impending reprisals against unscrupulous production owners.
              - This is a natural reflex - they know that if they can dispossess them, they will dispossess them.
              Under the Tsar and in the US/EU, everyone knew before - it’s yours forever, if you don’t pump it up and multiply it, it will go to your great-grandchildren. And now we all understand perfectly well that they will take it away at any moment. What's the point of investing in business development? And buy a yacht...
              Naive people ...
              Does anyone remember the Cyprus crisis - when they simply nationalized the bank deposits of all Russians completely?
              don't remember...
              And the same thing will happen in Europe now - if you can take away Friedman’s yacht/house, why can’t you take away the money of Vasya Pupkin, the owner of a small chain of 10 stores? They will appoint everyone wholesale “friends of Russia” and that’s it
              1. 0
                4 December 2023 10: 57
                Cypriot money was quietly and without fanfare again “privatized” to all involved wink
                Not without nuances, but in general, almost without losses.
                1. -1
                  4 December 2023 12: 35
                  Quote: vadimtt
                  Cypriot money was quietly and without fanfare again “privatized” to all involved wink
                  Not without nuances, but in general, almost without losses.

                  Have all 1.2 million accounts and contents been returned to their owners? belay
                  It's really very quiet on the issue.
                  Must be read.
                  I read, I wrote about the crisis 2013 when they partially blocked, partially simply took away the loot from all in a row - 1.2 million accounts were cleared.
                  And no matter how many times they sued, few won
                  And you're probably talking about freezing sanctions 2018 just a few people
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2023 11: 15
                    No, a relative has been toiling since the 14th. Now he can use everything, but only in person and when there, of course.
        2. +7
          3 December 2023 17: 47
          about siskin-fives-red-white and so on.
          There is such a salary on paper when they invite you. In fact, the fines are large for any nonsense. My nephew is 19 years old and went to work part-time. Shifts are 12 hours plus. It washes out a lot. While I worked for two months, I received student pay in the region of 30 tr, for November they gave me 60+, but with fines (I was late for work, and there, out of ignorance, I violated some internal regulations). Regarding non-payment - most often it is done to visitors and without registration - they will not run away and complain. Local employees are paid on time. Moscow region-Moscow.
        3. +2
          3 December 2023 21: 56
          Quote: depressant
          I started reading on the Internet how to change the crane axle box. It’s very clear, there’s a lot of video, but it’s scary, I might mess it up, who will fix it?

          The main thing in this matter is to have a common tap to turn off the water and to have an idea of ​​the type of tap-box. No one taught me, but I do these repairs with my own hands.
    2. +4
      3 December 2023 11: 15
      You can throw stones at me, but at the legal level it is necessary to prohibit women who do not have children from participating in the work of government bodies.
      “To remove the severity”...

      To give birth, she first needs to get married. Who should I marry now? wink
      1. +6
        3 December 2023 11: 31
        Quote: Arzt
        To give birth, she first needs to get married. Who should I marry now?

        In the USSR this issue was resolved mediocrely, but not in the same way as today:
        70 years ago, the divorce rate in Russia was only 4%; 30 years ago – 42%.
        Today, according to the Unified Interdepartmental Information and Statistical System, 68 out of 100 marriages break up.

        https://novomoscow.ru/info/statistika-razvodov-v-rossii-prichiny-prodolzhitelnost-braka/
        If she couldn’t find a husband, why the hell should she even bother with government problems?!
        It is precisely these “dissatisfied” people who often rub the leadership chairs...
        1. 0
          3 December 2023 11: 37
          Quote: Arzt
          To give birth, she first needs to get married. Who should I marry now?

          In the USSR this issue was resolved mediocrely, but not in the same way as today:
          70 years ago, the divorce rate in Russia was only 4%; 30 years ago – 42%.
          Today, according to the Unified Interdepartmental Information and Statistical System, 68 out of 100 marriages break up.

          https://novomoscow.ru/info/statistika-razvodov-v-rossii-prichiny-prodolzhitelnost-braka/

          That's what we're talking about. You can’t build a normal marriage with a drug addict, a homosexual and a homeless person.
          Again - SVO. Here the “regular” husbands were taken away, with whom to have children?
          1. -2
            3 December 2023 13: 39
            [Russian women have already forgotten, that men must not be taken from somewhere, but rather first given birth and raised.For subsequent generations. Men are raised by their mothers...in all nations except one. For a nation of prostitutes is doomed.
            1. +1
              3 December 2023 14: 01
              [Russian women have already forgotten that men should not be “taken”, but that they should first give birth and raise them. For subsequent generations. The nation of dirty prostitutes is doomed.

              They educate. By oneself.
              At my work - more than half. The reason for most is simple, a drug addict or a drunk. What the heck is a large family if the hubby offers to sow the dacha with hemp? laughing

              The rest either have 2-3 marriages (here, by the way, there are already 3 children) or endure it. They are divorced but live together because they have nowhere to live.
              Normal - 4 families out of 32.

              Prostitutes - not a single one, but I think they also keep children there out of despair. Yes

              Generation of the 90s...
              1. +4
                3 December 2023 15: 14
                The reason for most is simple, a drug addict or a drunk.

                What did the woman do when her husband drowned himself in a bottle/got on a needle?
                “When I come home, you’re sitting there” @ V. Vysotsky Remember the song.
                Alcohol, drugs, computer games, suicide - all this comes from the same barrel. If you don't like this world, then you look for another and find it.
                1. +2
                  4 December 2023 14: 15
                  What did the woman do when her husband drowned himself in a bottle/got on a needle?
                  “When I come home, you’re sitting there” @ V. Vysotsky Remember the song.
                  Alcohol, drugs, computer games, suicide - all this comes from the same barrel. If you don't like this world, then you look for another and find it.

                  Poor Vysotsky. The nasty women poured water down his throat. They made the star of the Soviet Bardson drunk. wink

                  At the same time, for some reason they themselves do not become drunkards and do not sit on needles, despite the fact that they have to give birth and then raise more children alone.
                  Probably in terms of biochemistry, the peasants in Russia are all Chukchi. Weak per glass. laughing
              2. AB
                +1
                4 December 2023 17: 02
                Don’t ask any divorced woman about the reasons for the divorce: he drank, beat, smoked, cheated, etc. Everywhere the same set of reasons. What, you didn’t see who you were marrying? I’ve only met a couple of sane women who honestly said: “Well, that’s how it happened. They were young, he was fooling around, I wasn’t particularly smart and everything was in that style.”
            2. AB
              +1
              4 December 2023 17: 03
              If you want to defeat a nation, spoil its men. If you want to destroy a Nazi, start spoiling its women.
      2. +4
        3 December 2023 12: 34
        To give birth, she first needs to get married.

        From a biological point of view, it is not necessary to get married.
        1. +2
          3 December 2023 12: 55
          From a biological point of view, it is not necessary to get married.

          Well that's obvious. So what is next?
          Close your eyes and dream, tomorrow morning you are going to an orphanage and taking yourself a charming chubby baby, bringing him home…. laughing
          1. +3
            3 December 2023 13: 33
            So that in 10 years he would remain an orphan? hi
            1. 0
              3 December 2023 13: 35
              So that in 10 years he would remain an orphan?

              Exactly. Just think, even in Africa there is more stability, maybe that’s why they give birth there, too. sad
              1. +6
                3 December 2023 13: 38
                It's not a matter of stability, but of statistics. 63 years is an age that many men do not live to reach.
                1. +8
                  3 December 2023 17: 41
                  one of the United Democratic Party deputies who actively advocated for an increase in pensions. age and flashed about it in interviews - he himself did not live to see it and died.
                  I remember everywhere in the news they wrote about this irony.
                  by searching in Yandex you will find the surname yourself
      3. +9
        3 December 2023 15: 09
        List of requirements for a future husband:
        2. To match:
        So as not to drink
        Didn't smoke
        So that he always gives flowers
        To give the salary
        Called his mother-in-law mom
        Was indifferent to toys
        And he's not averse to company
        And besides, that he
        He was handsome and he was smart
        1. Money. Moreover, this word means income from 100 thousand rubles/month to begin with (Moscow, St. Petersburg from 300 thousand)
        Tested for myself :(
        1. AB
          +1
          4 December 2023 17: 05
          I remembered: What do rich, strong, sweet, kind, generous, young, talented and smart, obedient, etc. have in common? a man and a pink penguin? Both do not exist in nature)
    3. +12
      3 December 2023 11: 56
      Dear Yuri Vasilievich! God knows how much I respect you, but I don’t agree. It is necessary to create a sufficient number of industries with high-paying jobs for men - machine tool building, mechanical engineering, production of the second, third, and so on processing of extracted raw materials. A modern Russian woman will not give birth to an insignificant man who will sit on her neck and begin to flush down the toilet the funds the woman receives for having children.
      Give the man a fishing rod, not the woman someone else already caught a fish! I'm vindictive:
      President, where are the promised 25 million high-tech and high-paying jobs in the serious areas of production listed above?
      Did you promise? They promised. Do it!
      For a woman will not give birth to a parasite sitting on her neck. Freeloading corrupts and makes a man insignificant.
      1. +3
        3 December 2023 12: 27
        Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! You don't have to agree or disagree with me.
        I'm talking about real problems, the solution of which largely depends on the state.
        But, first, you need to decide where to look for your husband and not look for him in the gateways, in public transport and in pubs and nightclubs.
        If a woman only looks for a source of material support in her husband, such a wife “can’t get it for nothing.”
        An independent woman, who has established herself in terms of employment and material security and who wants to devote strength and energy to “work” in government agencies, should become a mother (to relieve severity and anger). A man is not asked whether he wants to serve in the army or not - it is an honorable duty!!! And that's it!!!
        That is why I focus on my proposal above, where a woman with a child can raise him without a scumbag husband... I have never in my life had a decision (I had desires) to leave my family for the sake of illusory “happiness”.
        * * *
        And one more thing... For some reason I don’t see the difference in the proper high moral character of a Russian woman of the Soviet period and today... There were enough bitches everywhere, which is why, as one “man” said, some people don’t understand “why we love some, and we marry others”...
      2. +5
        3 December 2023 15: 37
        Did you promise? They promised. Do it!

        Did he really promise? Usually this is not typical for him, unless he reserves the right.
        They're lawyers, and they hammer this into them well:
        I thought - don't say it.
        He said don't write.
        Wrote it - don’t sign it.
        Signed - don't be surprised.
      3. +4
        3 December 2023 15: 40
        Sorry, I interrupted. Let's look at the Northern Military District, there are no super-men there, there are our most ordinary men. How is it that the same people, in one case, worthily fulfill the masculine obligations of defenders (without giving assessments to the “tops”), and in other cases they are also “insignificant men” and “freeloaders sitting on the neck”? When you hear - “men have become weak” - you want to continue - but women..? are they okay?
        There really is a fault of the male half. Nature defines male responsibility for the formation of the environment. And it is a man’s job to restore order in the country. When everyone consciously takes on this big and difficult task, then support will be needed - a strong and large family. This is an organization - personal, family, national. Unfortunately, we cannot cope with the disorganization yet. It’s time for the Russian bear to wake up from centuries of hibernation; you can ride sleepy Van like a fool, but when he wakes up, he’s not a Catholic and won’t sell indulgences.
    4. +16
      3 December 2023 12: 28
      receiving an amount of 4...5...6!!! million rubles
      Romale and Tajbeks will give birth with machine gun bursts laughing and this is hardly what is needed.
      1. +7
        3 December 2023 13: 24
        Romale and Tajbeks will give birth with machine gun bursts

        I know several of them who have settled into a modern urban environment, work and have given birth to a maximum of two. Three - only as an exception, according to the echoes of old traditions of their former habitat.
        Here we need to talk about what kind of urban environment we have. She, without having the prerequisites for this, is a print from Western Europe. Like, “You don’t have this, that, and this? How can that be?!? You deserve it!!!” There is not a word about children in these guidelines. Expensive hairstyle, makeup, manicure, handbag from a famous designer, the same outfit, car, luxury apartments, a prestigious man nearby. And if not, then it means that you are nobody and nothing in this life. The vector of aspirations is strongly indicated and it is base. Achieve or lose!
        The impression is that the worst has been taken from capitalism.
        1. +6
          3 December 2023 13: 29
          The impression is that the worst has been taken from capitalism.
          Judging by your description, this is the case. This approach in Western Europe is practiced by “our people” from the diaspora and people of color. The indigenous population doesn't care about smartphones and cool Mercedes, but for people of color, this is a must-have accessory.
          several that have become cultivated in the modern urban environment
          This is a maximum of ten percent. But you won’t see the other 90 - they avoid you, living in their own, carefully created environment. And for money they will show you the wonders of reproduction.
          1. +1
            4 December 2023 09: 35
            “But for people of color, this is a must-have accessory”
            Well, just as their ancestors liked beads and mirrors, nothing has changed. hi
            1. +1
              4 December 2023 09: 43
              how their ancestors liked beads and mirrors.
              This doesn't surprise me. The love for glitter and “cool things” of my compatriots from the USSR surprises and amuses me.
              1. +1
                4 December 2023 09: 52
                So what, you’re not lying? And from what part of the USSR? hi
                1. 0
                  4 December 2023 09: 54
                  And from what part of the USSR?
                  Baltics. Why are you paying for this? smile .
                  1. +1
                    4 December 2023 09: 56
                    The Baltic states and the love for glitter? This is a joke laughing That's why I'm asking hi
                    1. 0
                      4 December 2023 10: 01
                      The Baltic states and the love for glitter?
                      It’s not just the Baltic states that have noticed this. People from the Russian Federation\RB\UA have also noticed this.
                      1. 0
                        4 December 2023 10: 03
                        Well, okay, what to take from the “Asians” from “RF\RB\UA”. Well, these people, they considered themselves Europeans, Europeans, back in the days of the USSR. laughing
                      2. 0
                        4 December 2023 10: 07
                        they really thought of themselves as Europeans, Europeans
                        I can say that it is not without reason that the Baltic states are still integrating into the societies of Western countries more easily than other Soviet ones.
                      3. 0
                        4 December 2023 10: 14
                        Oh come on, sir. Although, of course, you know better laughing hi
                      4. 0
                        4 December 2023 10: 15
                        of course you know better
                        20 years of observations, so yes.
                      5. 0
                        4 December 2023 10: 16
                        I won't argue. hi "" "" "" "
    5. -1
      4 December 2023 11: 13
      There is also a tax on childlessness
      1. 0
        5 December 2023 12: 46
        Quote: Alexander
        There is also a tax on childlessness

        Small is meaningless, but if you make it big, the children will then be reproached for it....
  19. +10
    3 December 2023 11: 08
    in normal families, parents try to give their children an education, look after their health, and how many children can a modern average family provide all this for - at most one, two, that’s the whole story, it’s not enough to give birth, you need to raise a literate, moral person useful to society, and yes, modern workers should too be literate so all these speeches from the Kremlin and from the Russian Orthodox Church are far from reality
    1. +7
      3 December 2023 11: 39
      in normal families, parents try to give their children an education, look after their health, and how many children can a modern average family provide all this for - at most one, two, that’s the whole story, it’s not enough to give birth, you need to raise a literate, moral person useful to society, and yes, modern workers should too be literate so all these speeches from the Kremlin and from the Russian Orthodox Church are far from reality

      No one cares about this now. We need soldiers. True, they forgot that you still need to grow to become a soldier. By that time, you'll see, the SVO will end. wink
  20. -12
    3 December 2023 11: 48
    I suppose, I assume that in the soul everyone who is part of the Russian world, everyone in the soul is a monarchist. Consequently, here in the comments a certain Boris 55 shouting “All power to the Soviets!” is not part of the Russian world, that Russian world that the President of Russia worries about and cares about. I assume that President Putin himself is a monarchist, so the Russian world today has its own leader in the person of the President of Russia. I assume that Putin, due to his natural decency, responsibility, patience and politeness before History, is laying the foundation of a revived monarchical Empire right now and it is Putin. The monarch will rule over the revived Russian Empire after Putin, but on the foundation of the Empire that Putin is laying. That’s when Boris 55 will scream, and the Russian world will start scolding children - after all, existence will become meaningful,... I guess...
    1. +19
      3 December 2023 13: 05
      Quote: north 2
      that Russian world that the President of Russia worries about and cares about.

      How can he care about the Russian world if he replaces Russians with millions of alien migrants? This action radically undermines the Russian world. You are deeply mistaken.
    2. AB
      +1
      4 December 2023 17: 11
      How can life become more meaningful with a monarch on the throne?
  21. +5
    3 December 2023 12: 33
    Paradoxes of modern Russia:
    1 Our poor are those who work and usually have children.
    2 Officials do not feel the ground under their feet.
    Former director of the youth policy department of the Sverdlovsk region Olga Glatskikh, who became famous for her statement in the spirit of “the state did not ask you to give birth,” has received a new job.

    3 By bringing migrants, people enter into competition with them, but they shouldn’t.
    1. +9
      3 December 2023 15: 47
      By bringing migrants, people enter into competition with them

      Yes, you are an optimist!
      What kind of competition can we talk about if you don’t have to pay almost anything for a migrant, but for local taxes and fees you have to pay almost as much as he receives in your hands. Where can I find a capitalist who will hire a Russian under such conditions?
      And since we pass such laws, the liquidation of the indigenous population is state policy.
      1. +3
        3 December 2023 17: 38
        Worked with ZheK. I had a chance to see their salary payments, a piece of paper - all of them had Russian surnames. I asked the Tajik janitors - how is this possible? The administration of the housing and communal services office conducts relatives in the housing and communal services office; in fact, the workers are Tajiks. Taxes are paid in Russian names, black cash is received by Tajiks minus these taxes.
        According to the reports, about 40 people work in the Housing Office, all Slavs, but according to the facts, they are dead souls and Tajiks with a shovel and a broom.
        I think I haven’t told you the secret now, if you get confused and you’ll find the same thing in your housing office, no matter what part of Russia you live in now.
  22. +6
    3 December 2023 12: 48
    If we talk about fertility seriously, this is the picture that emerges.
    During Soviet times, the so-called collapse of the large Russian family occurred. Yes, it was mainly the Russian population that was exposed to this phenomenon. The old people stayed in the village, and the young people went to the city. Not all, not right away, but the trend was quickly formed and strengthened by the prestige of life in the city. Those who moved to the city, working in modern high-tech industries, were subjected to the so-called modernization of their ideas about life. They studied - both men and women, they became professionals (engineers, teachers, doctors, scientists, highly skilled workers or those wishing to become such), and it turned out that this required an expenditure of effort and time, for a large number of children this is no longer possible remained even if there was a separate living space.
    Thus, the disintegration of a large family (grandmothers, ready to nurse their grandchildren, most often remained in the village) and the modernization of consciousness due to the professional growth of both husband and wife (otherwise complete well-being is impossible) led to a reduction in the birth rate in urban civilization. There was no longer any talk about seven and eight children in one family. The tradition of reducing the birth rate turned out to be firmly established and spread, due to the prestige of urban parents in comparison with “uncultured” village ones, to the village itself. Moreover, in the Russian lowland village there was a mechanization of production and having a crowd of children became superfluous.
    And then a new generation of urban grandparents arose, who, naturally, did not agree to raise an entire “kindergarten”, but only one, or maximum two grandchildren - while mom and dad were at work.
    And here you are, in our time - raising the retirement age! Grandmothers, and even more so grandfathers, are becoming scarce. You can't even give birth to one child. The tradition of the older generation participating in the upbringing of the younger generation has been mediocrely broken with one stroke of the authoritative pen...
    They came to their senses, and now, in order to increase the birth rate, it is cynically proposed to shower the Russian urban woman with money. In essence, buy from her the children the state needs so much. But the tradition of small childbearing in a cramped urban environment unfavorable for this has already been established! Such traditions are broken over a long series of decades. They have cats, dogs and parrots, but children are no longer accepted.
    Essentially the same thing happened among the white population in the West. Namely: the collapse of a large family, the modernization of consciousness as an inhabitant of a big city.
    1. +18
      3 December 2023 15: 26
      Potential “nannies”, grandparents, are now forced to work until they die, the retirement age has been raised, so that there is no one to look after and raise one child.
    2. AB
      +2
      4 December 2023 17: 58
      “A pension is a salary for raising grandchildren and preserving the continuity of generations” I.S. Stalin. Under him, somehow the whole Finland was born in the country. And now they tell us that he wanted to destroy everyone.
  23. +13
    3 December 2023 13: 13
    If, according to Prigozhin, 20 thousand people are placed under each Bakhmut, and there are thousands of such Bakhmuts in Ukraine, what savings will the people have?
    During the Second World War, the US was concerned about saving people in battles with Japan and dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, thereby avoiding further losses and forcing Japan to peace. The Russian Federation, with a population of 150 million and 3% of global GDP, is waging a war in Ukraine with 50 unfriendly state entities with a population of under 2 billion and a share of more than 40% of global GDP, and at the same time hopes for victory with conventional weapons.

    Cash payments and benefits have never solved the problem of increasing the population and only increase the standard of living.
    Why did our grandmothers and great-grandmothers have seven and eight children? That’s why today the world’s population is growing not at the expense of economically developed state entities, but at the expense of underdeveloped ones.
    The only case of highly developed state formations was when the fascist non-Metropolitans became concerned about increasing the mobilization reserve and developed an effective system of measures to stimulate the birth rate. It’s stupid to copy someone else’s experience, but it’s not harmful to study so as not to step on the same rake over and over again and avoid making mistakes.

    The labor situation was critical before the start of the war and became catastrophic after 2 years of the war.
    It makes no difference to the capitalist who, what religion or nationality is working for him. The only thing the ruling class fears is that an attempt to solve the problem through the massive purchase of labor from friendly state entities could lead to internal instability, social, cultural, religious and other problems.
  24. -4
    3 December 2023 15: 04
    No measures will help increase the birth rate to 3-4 children per woman. At least shower women with all possible benefits. Why in rich (USA, Germany, Korea) countries the birth rate ranges from 1-2 children per woman. Yes, because today everyone lives for themselves. Only technology will help. Artificial womb, genetic engineering.
    1. +1
      4 December 2023 09: 38
      You won’t believe it, but their women there are not overwhelmed with benefits, and they live better than ours, but they are not overwhelmed. A capitalist is not an altruist, no matter what.
  25. +5
    3 December 2023 15: 31
    The simplest solution that suits our “leadership” is to call all imported Tajiks Russian (in the absence of fifth column it's as easy as shelling pears). And what language do Russians speak? Russian, of course, but the dialect is a little specific. And that's it, the question is closed.
    We call the war some kind of operation, which makes the Tajiks worse.
  26. +17
    3 December 2023 15: 34
    It’s impossible not to agree with Samsonov, but all this talk about “large families and encouraging demography” comes from a team of people who have consistently indirectly aggravated this situation for decades.
    Now they realized it - oh, oh! What beautiful speeches)) It’s just like the fight against corruption - everyone will applaud and disperse, and everything will remain as it is.

    GDP and the company simply cannot catch up with how tasteless the porridge they ended up with is. It's not even about money - although money is the backbone of any stability. It's about the climate - the climate is fucking dull, stagnant and depressing. The people have been intimidated, deprived of their dreams of the future, every single day someone is imprisoned for outright nonsense and then marinated for years, something is prohibited, these criminal articles spawn - as if we don’t have enough prisoners. People no longer really know what kind of hellish trash will happen tomorrow - what they will scribble in the State Duma of such and such that will put their lives and their usual in another position.
    What kind of childbirth can we talk about in such conditions? We turn on the TV - what do we see? This is our climate as it is. Some Solovyov will be yelling and sputtering, the next channel will be showing a sad drama about a “woman from the collective farm”, then there will be advertising where the next collections for terribly sick children, then some news where again half the world is against us with their sanctions and we respond to this by banning gays and imprisoning oppositionists and scientists, then some kind of criminal chronicle with murders and violence, and, as the cherry on the cake, mind-numbing fun like “The Mask” for those over 60.
    The future?:) Hmmm... Tomorrow is like yesterday - that’s the slogan of our future, only yesterday it was sad and the day before yesterday, and the day before yesterday - when were they already having fun from the heart?:)
    That's why they don't give birth. People don’t know what kind of crap their children will be fed at school tomorrow - God’s law or domostroy? Maybe they’ll take it and introduce a social rating, maybe they’ll bring back the monarchy - really, they’re waiting for anything. Literally. And most importantly, they understand that even the most delusional fantasy, the stupidest joke, will be realized with Schweik’s diligence and the near-zero chance of civil society to prevent this. Participation and involvement in what is being created has long and irrevocably evaporated somewhere; our citizen has long been a silent spectator of what is happening.
    This is a lousy environment for raising a family, let alone children. People now prefer escapism because many are sick of this reality.
    1. +3
      4 December 2023 00: 55
      It's a pity, you can only give one plus!
  27. +9
    3 December 2023 16: 23
    There is nothing in fact other than an imitation of vigorous activity. A lot of good and correct words... spoken into emptiness...
  28. +2
    3 December 2023 17: 01
    There are no favorable biological conditions for reproduction, despite all the sweet talk. This law of nature works clearly.
    You need a sufficient amount of food, warmth, absence of stress and enemy competitors. In this case, there is an intensive increase in the birth rate. None of these conditions are met in our case.
  29. +6
    3 December 2023 17: 19
    They should repent for what they and their “teachers” did to Russia and the Russians in the 20th century and quietly step aside, but they continue to make things worse.
  30. +11
    3 December 2023 17: 31
    Author - Well done!
    He took it... and called Putin and Medvedev guilty...
    oh, I bet the turbo-patriots-kiselyovo brains are getting burnt out now.
    showed their icon in an unsightly form.
    PS: I fully support the author of the article in the sense that all troubles have a surname. We have a problem - migrants, as an example, whose last name is this problem? Putin.
    He brings them in, he pardoned in 2022 almost 120.000 Tajiks deported FOR VIOLATIONS and CRIME, so that they would return here again and start with a clean slate. Many have already left for the second round back.
    https://vk.com/wall-113590066_982751
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5206523
    https://tj.sputniknews.ru/20230307/gosduma-podderzhka-amnistiya-deportaciya-migranti-1055344638.html
    he PERSONALLY signed the pardon, not some State Duma or some official named Ivanov. Him personally!
    but our people are stupid, they still believe that “The boyars are bad, but the Tsar is good!”
    no, he's not good.
    he is their bourgeois. He wanted to become one so badly, but they didn’t notice his zeal and sycophancy (the author, again, well done for bringing this quote from Putin. It’s really a slap in our souls, reader, that the person we trusted believed in our American partners and lay down under them. Well, at least he admitted it officially)
    This is an example of migrants. They infuriate me very much, because I’m not driving a car on a dedicated line (with the Moscow Ring Road blocked), but I live and walk on my feet to the store and on visits and see, communicate, what is happening here in Moscow and the Moscow region.
    but there are other problems = poor pensions (ask your mother and father if she is happy with them) and poor health care, there are almost no doctors locally, and if there are, they are of Central Asian blood and speak bad Russian and treat (are they treating?) us and you.
    1. +7
      3 December 2023 20: 34
      still believes that this is “The boyars are bad, but the Tsar is good!”
      Now it’s even simpler, the West is to blame for everything.
  31. +11
    3 December 2023 17: 59
    The head of state noted that it is impossible to overcome the most difficult demographic problems only with the help of money - social payments, allowances and benefits.

    Those. offered to give birth without stopping, but for free... :)
    And not a word about the need to create and develop infrastructure. Giving birth is a problem. And to raise and educate is even greater. There are no conditions for this in the Russian Federation. His May decrees destroyed the entire social sphere.
    In the Russian Federation there are not enough children's doctors, kindergartens, or schools capable of accepting new citizens. There are no teachers or educators for such a number. Nobody even talks about this. The main thing is to give birth, and I don’t care what to do with it.
    How to motivate people to give birth to 3-5 children, when 40% of the population is poor and chronically poor on the verge of poverty, and another 40 percent barely stays near this line.
    For most citizens, a child is a ticket to poverty. A second child is a ticket to poverty.
    In 2018, 22.9% of children in the Russian Federation lived in low-income families; in 2019, the figure was already 23.6% (Rosstat data). Moreover, the poverty level in large families (more than two children) is off the charts - 48% on average across the country.
    The main thing is to talk about the delights of motherhood, children and family values ​​in every way. But without money (there is no money, but you give birth) - It was not for nothing that Vasilich said that “life guidelines” are much more important than social payments. The budget is not rubber - everything is for the national projects of the oligarchs.
    Here they are still crazy - they arranged that there are no workers and they are immediately going to send a bunch of female workers on maternity leave... :) And women with 3 children, as a rule, do not work all their lives.
    The problem of the regime is that they are not able to provide people with a quality life. For a completely understandable reason - the redistribution of national wealth in favor of an insignificant handful of the ruling nobility, and even in the context of the destruction of the economy and social sphere
  32. +9
    3 December 2023 18: 00
    The state did not ask you to give birth, remember
  33. +4
    3 December 2023 22: 45
    Something incomprehensible.
    on the one hand - Putin, Putin, Putin..
    on the other hand, it is immediately stated that “Moreover, almost 80% of the Russian population already lives in poverty and poverty”
    although Putin and his partners every year declare a successful fight against it, they say they have reduced poverty to 12 (sort of)%, unprecedented growth in wages and low-low inflation...
    the difference between the declared one is 6 times.
  34. 0
    3 December 2023 23: 07
    The most important thing here is the departure from capitalism and the consumer model of behavior. The most valuable resource should not be money, but family and children. The more children, the richer a person should be. This includes free/preferential (in proportion to the number of children) housing, payment for tour packages, various sections, etc.
    And of course, there should be propaganda for having many children, but now we only have consumerism, traveling abroad, stupid blogs, etc. in fashion.
    Now the state is trying to solve this problem in a purely capitalist manner - it is pumping up money (matkapital, “Putin’s” benefits, etc.). But no one knows how effectively this money is spent.
    1. 0
      4 December 2023 13: 19
      We can no longer escape capitalism!
      Only if through a revolution.
      And so, everything is according to Marx. Billionaires eat millionaires. Monopoly is taking over more and more areas of life. Workers are treated like "cattle".
      People make it difficult to live and have fun.
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  37. +2
    3 December 2023 23: 31
    Prank or mockery? Who knows..
  38. +2
    4 December 2023 00: 01
    Obscurantism on the march.
    An attempt by spirituality to “cancel” the second demographic transition.
    The message is that we don’t like this science (demography), but let’s try to ignore it.

    In the 19th century, they were afraid of overpopulation of the planet and even started talking about the benefits of wars.
    In the 21st century, people are already afraid of population decline.
    1. +2
      4 December 2023 10: 16
      Obscurantism on the march

      Well, I don’t know, in my opinion, real obscurantism is when a modern person, who believes “the word of science from TV,” carefully listens to an astrological forecast or chooses a partner based on his date of birth laughing
      1. +2
        4 December 2023 14: 50
        It is truth too.
        In general, I’m watching more and more around militant ignorance.
  39. +6
    4 December 2023 00: 05
    Life in the “Yeltsin-Sobchak party” is normal. Of the ministers, only Ulyukaev was taken and imprisoned, and that case was sewn together with “white threads”. Everyone else hangs out in the deck. Periodically going out to buy money for money and vice versa. Preference is resting. And poker rules.
  40. +3
    4 December 2023 05: 03
    Not of course there are different capitals, all sorts of useful reforms, circles, and so on are wonderful, but at whose expense is the banquet? The oligarchs will not share money, and for the rest of us there is no money, but you hold on... A one-room apartment in my city costs 4 million rubles and more, and this is 500 thousand. A city in Siberia, according to statistics, a city resident needs a little more than 10 years to save up 1 million rubles, in fact it takes more than 40 years to buy yourself a one-room apartment, we are heading towards a bright future, comrades....
  41. -3
    4 December 2023 07: 26
    everything is heading towards a big war. Europe will not come to its senses until Russian tanks pass through its capitals
  42. +2
    4 December 2023 07: 45
    The bosses say:
    - you have to give birth a lot
    - you have to work hard
    - you have to work hard
    and then everyone will have a lot of money.

    The lower classes say: give more money and then
    - we will give birth a lot
    - we will work hard
    - we will work well.

    Everyone, as always, lies.
  43. +2
    4 December 2023 11: 01
    The essence of the title of the article and the picture under the title of the article are not compatible!
  44. -2
    4 December 2023 13: 11
    A woman must also be sure that her child will not become a slave or a “joy” for the oligarchs who are growing by leaps and bounds.
    And the prospects loom not enviable!
    Therefore, it is better not to give birth at all!
    I punished the children, I won’t be a grandfather.
  45. +2
    4 December 2023 14: 22
    "In 2024, the need to attract foreign workers arriving in the Russian Federation on the basis of a visa is 155929 people
    Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation from 24.11.2023 N 1980
    "On determining the need to attract foreign workers arriving in the Russian Federation on the basis of a visa, including for priority professional qualification groups, and approving quotas for 2024"
    In 2023, the quota was 123943 people.
    The need to attract foreign workers is realized in accordance with the distribution into priority professional and qualification groups in accordance with the appendix to the resolution."
    "Russian World" you say laughing
  46. +1
    4 December 2023 15: 36
    Several years ago (quite a few years) I read an article on the topic of genocide committed by the USSR and, in particular, by Stalin.

    The question was whether there was any basis for such a statement, and demographic statistics clearly demonstrated the falsity of such Western propaganda, which even reached the XNUMXst century.

    I do not remember the author who cited a statistical study that clearly showed that the numbers do not allow us to say that between 65 and 110 million Soviet people died.

    Soviet demography felt the impact of World War II to this day, as far as I understand, since the difference between men and women is a significant factor in the demographic development of the peoples of the former USSR who settled in RUSSIA.

    What is interesting about this article is the post-war BOOM, which, however, could not cover the human losses.

    But unlike the “so-called baby boomers,” in the USSR until the 70s, the trend was always bullish.

    Above all, the USSR, with its shortcomings and shortcomings, managed to recover from the brutal blow that was the Great Patriotic War.

    If current policy wants to solve the demographic problem as it is posed, it would have to look back into the past and see how the USSR recovered in less than ten years!

    The "Western" world trend is downward. "Underdeveloped" trend is on the rise!!

    Yes, poor countries increase their population, further saturating their poverty, causing the article to have a "flaw".

    Another thing is that the word "Proletarian" means that the only "value" that a worker had was "his offspring."

    What needs to be done, in very general terms, is to give the population real, not fictitious, perspectives; and yes, return to the social (economic) policies of the past.

    And above all, finally abandon the idea that RUSSIA is part of the “European West”.

    Greetings!!!


    -----------------------


    Hace unos años (bastantes años), leí un artículo sobre el tema del genocidio producido por las URSS y más particularmente por Stalin.

    La cuestión se centraba si había sustento en dicha afirmación, y las estadísticas demográficas demostraban claramente la falsedad de tamaña propaganda occidental, que llegó incluso hasta el siglo XXI.

    No recuerdo el autor que traía a colación un estudio estadístico que demostraba claramente que los números imposibilitaban la acusación de 65 a 110 millones de soviéticos muertos.

    La demografía soviética había sentido el impacto de la Segunda Guerra Mundial, hasta el día de hoy, según tengo entendido, ya que la diferencia entre hombres y mujeres es una marca sustancial en el desarrollo demográfico de los pueblos de la antigua URSS as entuadamente en RUSIA.

    Lo interesante de ese artículo, es el BOOM post Guerra Patriótica, que sin embargo no alcanzó a cubrir las pérdidas humanas.

    Pero a diferencia de los "llamados baby boomers", en la URSS hasta los 70 la tendencia siempre fue alcista.

    Más allá de todo, la URSS con sus fallas y falencias, supo reponerse de un impacto brutal que fue la Gran Guerra Patriótica.

    Si la actual política quiere solucionar el problema demográfico, tal como se está planteando, tendría que mirar al pasado y fijarse como fue que la URSS se recuperó en menos de una década!

    La tendencia mundial "Occidental" es a la baja. La tendencia "subdesarrollada" es a la alza!!

    Si, los países pobres crecen en su población, saturando aún más su pobreza, con lo que el artículo tiene una "falla".

    Demás está decir que la palabra "Proletario" hace referencia a que él único "valor" que tenía un trabajador, era "su prole".

    Lo que hay que hacér, muy sintéticamente hablando, es darle perspectivas a la población, reales, no ficciones; y si, volver a políticas sociales (que son económicas) del pasado.

    Y sobre todo, abandonar definitivamente la idea, que RUSIA es parte del "occidente europeo".

    Regards!!!
  47. +5
    4 December 2023 21: 23
    Gasoline and egg prices have already been defeated by the geostrategist? Is it time to think about people?
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  49. -1
    5 December 2023 00: 46
    There are three options.
    1) Prevention of abortion. Creation of a government unit that provides financial assistance to women who do not have an abortion.
    2) Similarly, opening borders without visas
    For all countries in South America and Central America, as well as non-Muslim countries.
    In East Asia, millions of tourists will come to visit, stay and even immigrate.
    For example, Latin Americans from South America
    They are fans of Russia. And yes, it can be absorbed
    Millions of East Asian immigrants
    Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos.
    They will be part of society, not separatists. Of course, only non-Muslims from these countries.
    3) Acceptance of all persecuted Christians.
    In Arab or Islamic countries. Or simply
    Persecuted for religious reasons.
    In Iraq Egypt Pakistan India Afghanistan Syria Palestinian
    1. 0
      5 December 2023 12: 48
      Avi!

      The idea is really not bad. In fact, after the stupid last elections in Argentina, I'm really thinking about exactly this - asking for Russian citizenship.

      I will definitely watch it next year, I hope my son will join this idea.

      Greetings!

      --------------------------

      Avi!

      Realmente no es mala la idea. De hecho, después de la estupidez de las últimas elecciones en Argentina, estoy realmente pensando en justamente eso, pedir la nacionalidad Rusa.

      Veré de averiguar el próximo año, espero que mi hijo se una a esa idea.

      Regards!
  50. +2
    5 December 2023 03: 12
    Everything was discussed here, economics, how much money to give a woman so she can give birth, where to get decent men. They forgot to ask men if they are ready to live according to the current Family Code. Times are changing, information is available. 100% divorces. At the end of your life, you can find yourself on a heating main, without money, an apartment, health, or children. Is this necessary? No need. Laws in Russia are against men, the creators of this civilization. We need to review the laws now, tomorrow it will be too late.
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  52. 0
    5 December 2023 10: 25
    Quote: hito
    Laws in Russia are against men, the creators of this civilization. We need to review the laws now, tomorrow it will be too late.

    Men, the creators of this civilization in general, also created the laws in particular. So who should we be offended by?
    1. 0
      9 December 2023 14: 13
      Why distort?? There are mistakes, we need to correct them, solve the problem, or let’s die out like mammoths. My son is now 17, there are very few of them, Russian boys, men on whom everything rests, and there will be even fewer with such a policy. But the neighbors are numerous and strong, and our sons will have problems. I didn’t understand your comment, no constructiveness, just verbiage.
  53. +2
    5 December 2023 12: 34
    There is no need to look for deep meaning in the president’s speech, since this speech is an election campaign filled with beautiful words and pathos.
  54. +2
    5 December 2023 19: 46
    How can demographics increase if everything has been done for 30 years to make it decrease?
  55. +1
    6 December 2023 16: 17
    You need to have a solid sense of humor, or cynicism, in order to set such empty tasks during the war and the decline of the Russian population
  56. -2
    6 December 2023 16: 52
    I'm proud that we have Putin
  57. AB
    +1
    6 December 2023 17: 00
    Large healthy families should become the elite of society.

    As soon as we talk about singling out someone as an ilite, all justice is immediately lost.
  58. 0
    6 December 2023 22: 02
    All this is bullshit. You can have masturbators.