About the situation in the ports of Ukraine

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About the situation in the ports of Ukraine

This is Smoke, its length is 290 meters, its width is 45 meters, and its deadweight (which is almost equal to its carrying capacity) is 170 tons. Now it is anchored near the border of Ukrainian waters and is waiting for a command to move further.

As soon as someone writes somewhere about a grain deal, comments immediately appear like “there’s barely one or two ships a month, but we’ll drown everyone, and the insurers have set such rates that no one will agree, and there are all the ports.” broken and destroyed”... And so on. And I began to wonder - how does this all really happen? And I tried to collect my own statistics and was very successful in this. The results, I suspect, will shock some.



I began my intelligence activities on November 7 of this year, 2023. Actually, you don’t need to make any special efforts for this - everything is on such resources as marinetraffic, fleetmon and the like. Well, when I collected a lot of data, I kept it to 30–35 minutes a day. I'm currently on a break from work, so it's not stressful at all.

First, a few words about how data about the location of a ship ends up on the World Wide Web. For people associated with the sea, this is nothing unusual, but for others, who are the majority, it may be interesting. And those who doubt can easily check everything in person.

In the early 2000s, the global maritime community once again became concerned about the safety of navigation, and as a result, on ships of the world maritime fleet began to install equipment everywhere called AIS - Automated Identification System. This is what the indicator of this system looks like:


The system continuously transmits two types of information to everyone who has similar equipment.

The first is course, speed, coordinates, exact time and other data received from ship sensors. There is no way to change them.

Another category is data entered by the ship's crew. This is the name of the vessel, status (at anchor, in motion), draft, port of departure/destination and some others.

There is also data that can only be changed using a password - the name of the vessel and its identification numbers. The same information is received from neighboring ships, and as a result, we see on the screen approximately what is shown in the picture. If you click on the corresponding line, the menu will open and show the details of the vessel you are interested in.

There are also AIS stations on the shore, and information from them is used by traffic control posts. Well, the creators of marinetraffic and others have found a way to use this data.

There are, of course, nuances.

The first AIS used the VHF band, resulting in a receiving range within visual range. Taking into account the height of the ship's antenna, it turned out to be 50 kilometers, and then the signal disappeared. Modern systems, in addition to VHF, also have satellite antennas, and theoretically information can be transmitted and received from anywhere. Either from Antarctica or from the middle of the Pacific Ocean. But for you and me, sitting at home on the couch, it is inaccessible. Although, if you really want to, then you can. Marinetraffic has several types of paid access with prices ranging from 2 to 000 rubles per month.

Thus, if, out of the blue, you go to marinetraffic and hover your cursor, for example, at Odessa, then you can really see one lonely steamer, or even nothing at all. And the sea along the coast is empty, only a few small marks are lost.

In fact, there are steamships there, but their transponders are turned off, and they are invisible to the average observer. Fleetmon seems to immediately erase such a vessel from the map, and marinetraffic keeps in memory for one day and then also removes its mark. It is possible to track such a ship, but you need to know its name or identification number, and be sure that it is in port. For example, I know for sure that there are five ships in Yuzhny and I know their names, but only one is visible. Let's open marinetraffic and type a well-known name, for example, Lucky Glory:


The last known position of the vessel was received on November 23, and since then the vessel has been classified as out of range and is no longer visible on the map. If you don’t know in advance that it was in Yuzhny, then later it can only be discovered by accident or not paid attention to it at all. You need to start surveillance early.

But enough of the theory, let's get to practice.

It is known from the press that after the termination of the grain deal, Ukraine developed an alternative safe route. Nobody, of course, drew this route on the map, but it is clear that it should pass along the coasts of neutral, so to speak, countries. Namely Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania.

Ideally, it is generally advisable for ships to stay in the territorial waters of these countries, where our warships cannot go. But in reality, it seems that they stay somewhere 50-60 km from the coast and eventually gather in a group at the roadstead of the Romanian port of Sulina.

Let's open fleetmon - it offers a full-screen view, unlike marinetraffic - and sort the types of vessels that interest us. We select “the name of the vessel is always visible”, remove the checkbox from tankers and set the length of the vessel starting from 140 meters - this way we will set the minimum deadweight to approximately 25 thousand tons and weed out every little thing.

Unfortunately, it will not be possible to separate bulk carriers, container ships and general cargo separately - they all fall into the cargo ships section. But it’s not bad either. And what do we see (on November 28, approximately 7 Moscow time)?


Round marks – ships at anchor, triangles – ships in motion. If you hover your mouse over the triangle, in most cases we will see a speed of 5–3 knots - that is, these individuals, most likely, for some reason, did not drop anchor and decided to drift. And okay, they know better there.

Next you need to turn on the logic. First let's see what the AIS shows about your destination. The majority – interestingly – head specifically to the small port of Sulina, which has a single berth with depths of up to 7,5 meters. Even the huge Smoke, with a length of 290 meters, a deadweight of 180 thousand tons and a draft of 18 meters, was aimed there. Hard to believe. Although there are exceptions: Kmax Emperor and Interceptor honestly showed Chernomorsk.

We remember this group and will update the results tomorrow. If we're lucky, we'll see one of them head for Ukrainian waters. The border is up there, indicated by a purple squiggle. This is what the situation looked like at the raid on November 13:


Here we see several triangles crossing the conventional border, of which one vessel, Johanna, is highlighted. Moreover, the data about it was received three and a half hours ago and has not been updated since then - apparently, the AIS equipment was simply turned off. Let's take the same path that I did and follow “Joanna” further.

And then Johanna showed up the next day in Yuzhny:


And she disappeared until November 20, when she became visible again:


The destination (it is not visible in this photo, but believe me) is Istanbul, but this is understandable, we must somehow pass the Bosphorus. Naturally, she did not stay in Istanbul, but moved to the Mediterranean Sea, without indicating her destination until a certain moment. But then this too became clear – China, Qingdao. At this point I stopped pursuing her, everything is clear.

I won’t describe the whole procedure day by day, but the result is this: starting from November 7, 61 ships were included in my list. And these are only those with a carrying capacity of more than 20 thousand tons, which visited only the large ports of Chernomorsk - Odessa - Yuzhny, and only bulk carriers. There is this type of ship designed for transporting bulk cargo. Although it is possible to use timber, metal ingots, pipes, and wind generator casings... But in the case of Ukraine this is unlikely. Grain, coal, ore. The trifles that filled the Danube with its ports were not taken into account.

And I must keep in mind that I might not have noticed someone. There have been several occasions when an unknown name has appeared in the vicinity of the ports, which I had not seen before.

Most of the ships stayed in the ports for 5-7 days, some more - that is, cargo work there is carried out quite intensively. Although there are exceptions, for example, DSM London with a deadweight of 35 thousand tons stayed in Odessa for 10 days.

They enter ports with a draft of 4–7 depending on the size - this means that the ships are empty, and leave loaded with up to 10–14 and even up to 18 meters - the latter for giants by local standards with a deadweight of 180 thousand tons. There are also such, there are four of them, and there is another one at the Sulina roadstead, waiting in line. Draft, as I already said, is a parameter that must be entered by the crew, so you can draw anything there, but still...

Now the most interesting thing: the total cargo capacity of this pile is almost 3 tons.

So it goes.

But, on the other hand, our Ministry of Defense never promised to “drown them all” and did not even threaten to block Ukrainian ports.
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  1. +3
    2 December 2023 04: 31
    I wonder where these border crossings are where our resources and Chinese goods go to Europe?
    1. +3
      2 December 2023 06: 17
      Are you proposing to annoy the Chinese? This is not necessary at the moment. However, the main flow of Chinese goods goes by sea to Europe.
      1. +5
        3 December 2023 09: 11
        I have other observations!

        Terrorist attacks on BAM and in the Ryazan region.

        Attacks of our ports by drones (Kerch, Novorossiysk, Sevastopol).

        Drone attacks on our cities, although great success has been achieved in neutralizing them.

        Isn't it time to break up the railways and ports of Bendery for real?
        1. 0
          3 December 2023 10: 42
          Is it really like a nuclear bomb? But it doesn’t work out any other way, something is missing. Maybe missiles, or maybe planes with bombs.
          But the article is cool and long-awaited for this forum. Otherwise, there are too many dreamers and haters here, for whom everything is simple - just take it and bomb it. And there are others. who proposes to send submarines to mine the approaches to Odessa and other ports of Ukraine, without even imagining the size of the submarine in height and what depth it should have under its keel.
        2. +1
          3 December 2023 20: 55
          If they could, they would gouge it.
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  2. +18
    2 December 2023 06: 13
    “Don’t be offended, but I’ll tell you one smart thing...” (film “Mimino”). Did anyone really assume that after Russia withdraws from the grain deal, Ukraine, together with its “friends,” will not look for (and will find) its own options? The Russian Ministry of Defense really did not promise to sink ships heading to Ukrainian ports, but we are able to destroy the infrastructure of the ports so that there is no technical possibility (except manually) for unloading and loading ships?
    1. +3
      2 December 2023 07: 08
      Quote: rotmistr60
      “Don’t be offended, but I’ll tell you one smart thing...” (film “Mimino”). Did anyone really assume that after Russia withdraws from the grain deal, Ukraine, together with its “friends,” will not look for (and will find) its own options? The Russian Ministry of Defense really did not promise to sink ships heading to Ukrainian ports, but we are able to destroy the infrastructure of the ports so that there is no technical possibility (except manually) for unloading and loading ships?

      So, judging by messages from the Ministry of Defense, the port infrastructure was allowed. Exactly like the railway infrastructure that transports all these cargoes to the ports of Ukraine.
      1. kig
        +8
        2 December 2023 13: 45
        Quote from Escariot
        judging by messages from the Ministry of Defense, the port infrastructure was allowed

        The port begins with approach channels, anchorages, and navigation equipment for safe passage. A port includes berths, warehouses, access roads, cargo equipment and power supply for it, and much more. It takes a lot of effort to disable a port. Well, just sooooo. You can’t do this with Geraniums or even Calibers. The British and Americans bombed German ports throughout the war, and they all worked.
        1. +2
          2 December 2023 15: 35
          Igor, it would be interesting to read how our tankers hide, transferring cargo from empty to empty at sea without being identified. This is where playing with fire is. It’s one thing to sink a bulk carrier with grain and a hundred tons of bunker, and it’s quite another thing when a tanker that doesn’t exist spills its cargo or, God forbid, sinks it with its cargo, even a small one of 50 thousand with dry goods
  3. +14
    2 December 2023 06: 48
    But, on the other hand, our Ministry of Defense never promised to “drown them all” and did not even threaten to block Ukrainian ports.

    The Deputy Chairman of the Council of Security spoke about such suppliers as legitimate purposes...
    But, on the other hand, our Supreme Commander only stated that we had not started yet... Apparently they have February 21, 2022 on their calendar in the Kremlin...
    1. kig
      +8
      2 December 2023 13: 24
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The Deputy Chairman of the Council of Security spoke about such suppliers as legitimate purposes...

      Our deputy chairman generally likes to put on a stern face, but that’s no good. And here, for example, is the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs:

      We need to make sure the ship is coming with something bad, that means... inquiry, inspection if necessary to see if it's true or not.

      That is, you first need to identify a suspicious vessel, approach it, announce that they intend to inspect it... what if it is in the territorial waters of Bulgaria? Or, Neptune forbid, Turkey? As far as I remember, there was only one case of a small steamer being stopped and inspected.
    2. +7
      2 December 2023 13: 31
      I will turn the calendar over and it will be February 21st again. hi
  4. +8
    2 December 2023 07: 24
    I really don’t understand this “softness”. Ukraine does not hesitate to attack our merchant ships at sea and in ports, and carries out sabotage on the railway... It’s time to declare that any ship in territorial waters that enters there without our permission becomes a “legitimate military target”, since it is suspected of transporting military personnel cargo. And it is shameless to drown them, training military sailors and pilots on real targets.
    1. +10
      2 December 2023 08: 41
      Quote: svp67
      I really don’t understand this “softness”. Ukraine does not hesitate to attack our merchant ships at sea and in ports, and carries out sabotage on the railway... It’s time to declare that any ship in territorial waters that enters there without our permission becomes a “legitimate military target”, since it is suspected of transporting military personnel cargo. And it is shameless to drown them, training military sailors and pilots on real targets.

      There are no merchant ships. A ship is a warship. This time.
      2) the enemy does not particularly attack merchant ships. Most of the attacks are on military targets in Sevastopol. There was only one case of an attack on the Sig tanker, but even that one actually works for the Russian Defense Ministry and has long been under sanctions for transporting fuel to Syria. With this attack they hinted that they could well mirror attacks on ships heading to Odessa. The Russian leadership took the hint.
      Third, other countries might be a little upset if their merchant ships were deliberately sunk in some WAR-free area. There are certain legal boundaries that everyone (including Russia) tries not to cross in order to avoid problems with third countries, so to speak. And even the recent attack on a Portuguese ship in the Odessa area is most likely an accident.
      And lastly, there are fairly clearly defined procedures to combat gun smuggling. Remember how Ivan Hurst searched a ship near Istanbul? This is the only way to act in peacetime (there is no war), but the Black Sea Fleet is currently not capable of such raids on a regular basis.
      1. 0
        2 December 2023 17: 22
        Quote from Escariot
        even the recent attack on a Portuguese ship in the Odessa area is most likely an accident.

        Two or three such accidents a month and insurance will really start to go through the roof. This is how you have to act “accidentally” during rocket attacks on ports. The main thing is not to get carried away, you understood the hint - the accidents stopped.
        1. +1
          2 December 2023 21: 06
          Quote: bot.su
          Quote from Escariot
          even the recent attack on a Portuguese ship in the Odessa area is most likely an accident.

          Two or three such accidents a month and insurance will really start to go through the roof. This is how you have to act “accidentally” during rocket attacks on ports. The main thing is not to get carried away, you understood the hint - the accidents stopped.

          It's a double-edged sword. A ship from Novorossiysk may also accidentally bump into something
          1. 0
            4 December 2023 10: 43
            Quote from Escariot
            It's a double-edged sword. A ship from Novorossiysk may also accidentally bump into something

            So the whole SVO is a double-edged sword. We must either stop or act more actively with our end. It was necessary to think about the second end earlier.
      2. 0
        6 December 2023 21: 19
        The Black Sea Fleet is currently not capable of such raids on a regular basis.

        What is this fleet capable of? Hide in bays and bases from the non-existent Bandera fleet? In this case, it may remove all the crews from the ships altogether and send them to the Northern Military District zone to strengthen our units. This will make more sense. Repeat the “glorious history” and the events of 1853, when the Black Sea Fleet also abandoned combat operations at sea and sank its own ships in the Sevastopol Bay, and their crews began to defend the city on land. Are the admirals and sailors of the Black Sea Fleet really not disgusted and ashamed of the “bottom” they found themselves at?
    2. +7
      2 December 2023 11: 25
      "It's time to declare that any vessel in territorial waters that enters there without our permission"
      in whose territorial waters?
  5. +3
    2 December 2023 07: 43
    Let me add that in Russian ports a bulk carrier of XNUMX can be loaded in just over a day.
    1. kig
      +2
      3 December 2023 09: 05
      Quote: tralflot1832
      in the ports of Russia, a bulk carrier with a capacity of XNUMX is loaded in just over XNUMX hours

      If the specification of the loading complex indicates a transshipment speed of, for example, 5 thousand tons/hour, then one hundred thousand can actually be loaded in a day. In theory. But in reality, in Ust-Luga there are now several 80-thousanders that arrived on November 30 and December 1. They are still there and apparently loading. The situation is the same in the port of Vostochny, at its specialized coal terminal. So theory and practice are completely different sciences.
      1. +1
        3 December 2023 09: 16
        Two months ago, a friend of mine loaded up a little less than a day in Ust Luga with 100 coal and took this stuff to India, then they stood in line in Novorossiysk for grain and part of the team was written off under the terms of the contract, fortunately the company is Russian.
        1. kig
          +3
          3 December 2023 13: 19
          I don’t have much experience in bulk carriers; I have worked on 35, 55 and 180 thousand tons each. The first two had cranes and we generally carried anything there, but the 180-thousand-ton truck was purely for bulk cargo. And we have never stopped for less than two days, even in Brazilian Tubarao, which is generally the world champion in ore loading. So your friend is lucky. Well, or unlucky, that's how to judge =))
          1. 0
            3 December 2023 14: 23
            He sent me a video of loading 40-foot containers in Ust-Luga, it looks like they were still delayed for a couple of hours. Impressive. On the Odessa traverse there are now 11 ships leaving in a coravan in one line. LNG tanker Vladimir Rusanov is sneaking between England and Ireland, the second one is For Norway, the unloading place is not marked, like for most of our tankers. The Azerbaijani tanker "Karabakh" is carrying oil from Ust Luga to the ports of Greece and Turkey. The LNG tanker under the Dutch flag is already in our waterways heading to the LNG terminal "Portovy" of Gazprom. A madhouse that smells an agreement from the West - give it, we will pay. So you sailed on the largest bulk carriers in the world to the PRC from Brazil?
            1. 0
              3 December 2023 14: 45
              I apologize for 20 cubic containers and something else “shosha”.
            2. kig
              0
              4 December 2023 02: 51
              Quote: tralflot1832
              in Ust Luga, 100 coal

              Quote: tralflot1832
              video of loading in Ust-Luga with 40 foot containers

              Coal and containers somehow don’t fit together...
              Quote: tralflot1832
              So you sailed on the largest bulk carriers in the world to China from Brazil?

              The largest ones have a deadweight of 400 thousand tons, and there are about 50 of them in the world, and 180-200 thousand tons are generally like dirt. I don’t remember where they were taking me, 8 years have passed. Like to Japan.
      2. 0
        5 December 2023 11: 02
        Ust Luga is a thing in itself. As of this morning, for example, more than 15 trains were abandoned at a distance in front of Ust Luga due to the port not accepting them - there are no free areas. There are none because the cargo is stuck and the fleet is not available for loading. We worked for RosTerminal Ugol - words cannot describe it. At the moment when the ship is at the berth, they can and can load 57k per shift through the SPK, but confirmation of the lake and staging can be expected from the port for weeks, and the ship is on demurrage in the roadstead. On Panamax it’s from 70k dollars per day.
  6. +8
    2 December 2023 08: 15
    Good, competent article, respect to the author. Everything is analyzed specifically. Well, why the ports of Sumeria are still working is a rhetorical question.
    1. 0
      2 December 2023 11: 15
      Good, competent article, respect to the author. Everything is analyzed specifically

      In fact, in order to better understand what we are talking about in general, I was not too lazy to look up what the deadweight of the vessel is.
  7. 0
    2 December 2023 08: 23
    It’s more interesting to watch the Houthis in Yemen and the Chinese container ship New New Polar Bear. And the R/V Mstislav Keldysh writes such pretzels in the Kara and Barents Seas.
  8. +10
    2 December 2023 09: 43
    It is an extremely unpleasant picture when there is a war with a country that does not have a fleet and cannot even organize a naval blockade.
    Here we spend a lot of money on the maintenance and construction of the fleet... Why do we need the Black Sea Fleet in the Black Sea? To protect yourself? So he’s not good at it either!
  9. +5
    2 December 2023 10: 42
    It turns out that the port infrastructure works there? This is all strange and this is not the first time.
  10. +7
    2 December 2023 12: 51
    Mdam-sir, the worlds of agitprop and reality are moving further and further away from each other.
    Thanks for the information, author. Another puzzle to the extremely interesting picture of “realpolitik”.
  11. +1
    2 December 2023 13: 00
    So what was the point of the grain deal then?
    1. +6
      2 December 2023 13: 33
      To say that “we” were once again deceived. hi
    2. +2
      2 December 2023 14: 31
      Quote: Kmon
      So what was the point of the grain deal then?

      For whom? The strikes of the Russian Federation are still painful and you have to defend yourself from them + at the beginning of its Black Sea Fleet it could actually block the ports.
      1. +2
        2 December 2023 15: 40
        It is naive to believe that we cannot stop this. When conditional slippers on rubber boats in Somalia can cause significant damage to traffic, but a superpower cannot, this raises a question. We can, we have submarines, mines, UAVs, anti-ship missiles, forces of sabotage operations, the same crafts for remotely controlled boats and so on.
        Here the question is rather like this: “Do we want it?” . There are probably some agreements in which each side can mutter a little and declare their victory, and the traffic is, so to speak, outside the boundaries of chess. There was traffic and there will be traffic - because traffic is in the world of big boys who rustle papers, keep papers, write papers and roll them around. This is what the world stands on.
        The big boys probably hinted that if something happened to the conditional ship of the Horns and Hooves office, then the office might be offended and hire some funny guys, and then somewhere in the world, on the other end of the ecumene, for example, it will suddenly burst into flames, or some Russian vessel will sink, which, let’s say, is transporting oil or carrying a cargo of wheat somewhere. Anything can happen! You can’t assign guards to every ship, it would be ruinous.
        Such pies.. In BB2 we wanted to, but we couldn’t, now the times have come when we can, but we don’t want to. The world, so to speak, is aging.
        1. 0
          2 December 2023 21: 04
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          It is naive to believe that we cannot stop this. When conditional slippers on rubber boats in Somalia can cause significant damage to traffic, but a superpower cannot, this raises a question. We can, we have submarines, mines, UAVs, anti-ship missiles, forces of sabotage operations, the same crafts for remotely controlled boats and so on.
          Here the question is rather like this: “Do we want it?” . There are probably some agreements in which each side can mutter a little and declare their victory, and the traffic is, so to speak, outside the boundaries of chess. There was traffic and there will be traffic - because traffic is in the world of big boys who rustle papers, keep papers, write papers and roll them around. This is what the world stands on.
          The big boys probably hinted that if something happened to the conditional ship of the Horns and Hooves office, then the office might be offended and hire some funny guys, and then somewhere in the world, on the other end of the ecumene, for example, it will suddenly burst into flames, or some Russian vessel will sink, which, let’s say, is transporting oil or carrying a cargo of wheat somewhere. Anything can happen! You can’t assign guards to every ship, it would be ruinous.
          Such pies.. In BB2 we wanted to, but we couldn’t, now the times have come when we can, but we don’t want to. The world, so to speak, is aging.

          So it is not necessary to hire guys at the other end of the ecumene. There are targets closer, and the guys are very close. The kamikaze boats somehow managed to reach Novorossiysk, I think if there is an order, they will be able to repeat it. Nobody needs something like this.
  12. 0
    2 December 2023 14: 55
    Thank you very much to the author!
    I read the article with great interest. I discovered a lot of information that was completely unknown to me. hi
  13. 0
    2 December 2023 18: 56
    The steamer is standing still and the crew is losing money. Everything is great! hi
  14. +2
    2 December 2023 20: 17
    An interesting article and generally confirming this information:
    MOSCOW, November 14. / TASS /.
    Ukraine has already transported 4 million tons of cargo through the “temporary corridors” in the Black Sea, created in August after the termination of the grain deal. This statement was made by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky in his Telegram channel.

    “The grain corridor is working. We are now surpassing the 4 million tons of cargo mark and maintaining positive dynamics,” Zelensky wrote.
  15. 0
    2 December 2023 22: 02
    Everything is logical.
    "They enter ports with a draft of 4–7 depending on their size - this means that the ships are empty, but they leave loaded.."
    There is no war. There is a struggle for security all over the world.
    And safety means not sinking other people’s civilian ships with civilian products.
    And if they drown you, be prepared that they will first publicize you, then sue you, and then begin to confiscate something in favor of the victim. There have already been precedents.
    And what? but nothing. Surely this is spelled out in all sorts of maritime and other laws. Work for lawyers, intelligence, economists, etc.
  16. 0
    3 December 2023 00: 52
    I have already noted here more than once that we, in principle, do not care what they take out from the outskirts. Moreover, the grain in general is not Ukrainian, it belongs to Western owners who bought up land in Sumeria and are exporting theirs. The outskirts have practically nothing to gain from this. And in this situation, our intelligence data plays a paramount role. If intelligence reports that such and such a ship is carrying weapons and military equipment to the outskirts, then this ship needs to be attacked when entering the port. It kind of happens by accident, sorry. There is no need to drown everyone. You need to work more subtly. But this requires very good intelligence, which in my opinion has not yet been adequate, and not only in this matter.
  17. +1
    3 December 2023 10: 29
    The natives say (Typical Odessa, cart) that almost like before the war, move on the sea. There are up to 10 ships in the roadstead.
  18. 0
    3 December 2023 10: 34
    There is such a problem as Ukrainian mines torn from anchors, and no one knows their exact number, so, well, purely hypothetically, if there are much more of them..... am
  19. 0
    3 December 2023 23: 33
    Given the attacks on our tunnels and other infrastructure, the appropriate response would be missile attacks on the ports. Of the few, 3-4, the rest are trifles. Well, the ship will not go where it regularly flies. But our strategists sit on the general’s stove, crunch seeds and don’t care.
  20. 0
    4 December 2023 00: 04
    In the Polish media there was a figure (after the completion of the grain deal) about 2 million grains were exported from the country. It's just grain. Therefore, Odessa’s air defense has been strengthened. Mosquito bites from our Geraniums do not change the weather. In Russia there are explosions and fires every day. It’s not clear, they can, but ours are playing at being noble.
    1. 0
      4 December 2023 10: 24
      Grain exports from the Russian Federation in September 2033 amounted to 7 million tons through the ports of the Baltic and Black Sea.
      Ukrainian 2 million tons in 4 months is nothing. The competitor is knocked out of the market.
  21. 0
    4 December 2023 10: 18
    I very much doubt that these Panamaxes and Handysizes are transporting grain, and even to China. Freight there will be a lot, taking into account war risks, firstly, and secondly, traditionally, we and Ukraine competed in the same grain markets - Turkey, Egypt, North Africa, etc. Thirdly, the Ukrainians would not fail to trumpet their grain successes. Fourthly, grain is not loaded with a conventional grab and is not stored on conventional berths; grain requires separate infrastructure: granaries, processing facilities, etc. Grain terminals, as a rule, are even located at a distance from conventional bulk cargo areas. And it was precisely the grain terminals that were thoroughly hit by missile strikes in the fall, after which the victorious reports of the 95th quarter on the grain deal ended. All IMHO, however.
    1. kig
      0
      5 December 2023 03: 18
      Quote: CheeRock
      I doubt it very much

      The purpose of the article was not to follow the transportation of grain, to show where it is loaded and where it is taken, but only to discuss the general situation. Grain terminals with all the necessary accessories are available in all three major ports, their exact location is unknown to me, but judging by the photos on Google maps, which show silo towers, in Chernomorsk there is now a Lucky Joy, 96 thousand tons, at the grain terminal. Grain terminals occupy only a small percentage of the total port area. The rest is for other cargoes. The Smoke mentioned above is now located in Yuzhny at the coal terminal, this can be seen on Google maps, this entire area is black. The Kmax Ruler, which received a rocket in its superstructure, also arrived for coal.
      1. 0
        5 December 2023 11: 13
        It just so happens that I am directly involved in the coal business and am aware of prices and how coal logistics works. There is also information from the field that in order to dive in Chernomorsk or Yuzhny now, you need to pay the military administration of the port a considerable bribe, which makes the whole business absolutely unprofitable. Actually, what I wanted to say is: yes, loading is taking place in the Black Sea ports of Ukraine, but the volumes and profitability are so minuscule that they are within the margin of error. For comparison, raise the statistics for the same Yuzhny to 2013 - how much they loaded per month, when there was a flow there from Kuzbass.
        We worked in Nikolaev, and in Izmail, and in Berdyansk, and in Mariupol. What is now being loaded from Ukraine is a fraction of a percent.
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          7 December 2023 09: 00
          It is possible that they all moor for a small fee, but there are too many of them. And if so, then all additional costs will fall on the buyer
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    4 December 2023 11: 13
    So, judging by messages from the Ministry of Defense, the port infrastructure was allowed.

    This is very difficult to do even with absolute air supremacy and large-scale bombing, especially when this does not exist, as in the Northern Military District. There is no need to waste time and divert efforts on this task. It’s better to throw everything into destroying the enemy on the LBS and in the nearby area.
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    4 December 2023 11: 15
    This is just an ordinary deal - we don’t touch them, they don’t touch what sails from Novorossiysk. This is not a war, but a Northern Military District. Loot conquers evil.
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    4 December 2023 17: 33
    A funny way - isn't it easier to just look at the import of Khokhlyat grain by month?
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    5 December 2023 20: 02
    I have other observations!
    Terrorist attacks on BAM and in the Ryazan region. Attacks of our ports by drones (Kerch, Novorossiysk, Sevastopol). Drone attacks on our cities, although great success has been achieved in neutralizing them. Isn't it time to break up the railways and ports of Bendery for real?

    The correct answer for the BAM tunnel would be an explosion in the Eurotunnel between Calais and Dover.